Rotten Mango - #21- 120 Days Of Murder (Serial Killers Ian Brady & Myra Hindley)

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

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Welcome to this week's episode of Spooktober True Crime. Guys, this is this one's a weird one. This one is kind of crazy, but we're going to start not with the crime itself, but with a very, very interesting question. And this one is the question of, have you ever thought, and I know, if you guys are in a relationship that you have thought about this, you have thought about the answer long and hard. Maybe it's been years now since you've been thinking about the answer, but I know for a fact, if you're in a relationship that is even remotely similar to mine, you have thought about how to get away with the perfect murder. I can't do not. I don't know what it is. I think maybe it's because it's quarantine. Also, this sounds like an ad for a relationship counseling and it's not,

but it really, really should be because quarantine has made us fight about things that are so beyond dumb. The other day, my fiance made me cry because he called me a muggle. He didn't even call me a mud bud. He called me a muggle. And I got so offended and I started busting out crying. I mean, I don't know what kind of day that was, but that was, that was a day indeed. Yes. And then we started thinking about how to get away with my character.

Exactly. Precisely. Okay, so I decided that this, this weekend was the day day that I was gonna get myself up on the FBI watch list That was like the main goal in mind. I was like everything else sucks I wondered what the FBI is up to. I bet they're bored and so I started googling shit And I was like how do you get away with the perfect murder, right? I got a Google more specific how to get away with murdering your fiance who is Chinese five foot something Oh, excuse me. He wants me to correct that and say five foot something. Oh excuse me, he

wants me to correct that and say six foot three. He's not, but so I googled it and I went on to multiple Reddit threads and I guess everyone was having the same idea as me because all of the comments on all of these different multiple different threads of like how would you guys get away with the perfect murder? All of the comments were like, nice try, NSA. Nice try, FBI. Step one, don't divulge on a public platform on the internet. No, seriously, no joke.

Yeah, no, seriously, yeah. And so some of the people who did respond, they said that some people believe that the perfect murder is a murder that everybody knows that you committed that murder, but legally, they can't do anything about it. I mean, there's a couple of cases like that in True Crime History where everyone knows that you did it, but legally, somehow, you've gotten away with it. Now, the other thing is, some people believe- Perfect murder? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm on the other boat where a lot of people believe that

we'll never know a perfect murder. Think about it. Think about it in the shower. This is a shower thought. We will never know of the perfect murder because if it truly is perfect, no one will know about it. No one will know that it was murder. No one will know anything about it. How it was done. All of the thought, the care that went into concocting this masterful plan of murder. I sound like a serial killer. care that went into concocting this masterful plan of murder. I sound like a serial killer. And I think this one is for me, more of a perfect murder because I feel like the other one

where you just get away with it legally, I mean, think about all the social ramifications, not being able to get a job, being a community pariah because, I mean, you are technically the main suspect in a murder case and everyone knows it's you, you get it some other people however they believe that murder requires the perfect Vicksham so from what I can see it seems like the only way to really get away with the perfect murder is to not have any idea Who the victim is what do you mean like when you kill someone you just erase their identity or no they, you can't be connected to them at all.

Oh, oh. You can't be their brother. A stranger. Yeah, it has to be complete stranger because that's when the police really have no idea where to look. And why would it be just some stranger from three towns over who has absolutely nothing to gain from your murder? Like serial killers.

Yeah, exactly. That's why I think serial killers get away with it for so long. It's because I think they just really kill for the kill right now This one's gonna be a little bit different because today's story is about a serial killer But it's not necessarily about zero killers who kill for the kill They're not killing because they want to inflict pain and they want to see that person just suffer and all of that things We're talking about zero killers who are so egotistical that they genuinely their whole reason for killing someone is to see if they can get away with it It's a couple that decided to go into this together kind of like Bonnie and Clyde I also do want to mention that there was this one reddit answer that I've been thinking about for quite some time now

Like I want to say in multiple days straight So a lot of people were like, oh if I'm gonna get away with murder I'm gonna run to car under a fake identity. I'm gonna do this I'm gonna wear a wig I'm gonna do this and then I'm gonna leave the country, right? And there was this one person where I was like, oh my god, I'm scared of you. They were like, here's the deal. 16 hungry pigs If you have 16 hungry pigs, it takes them collectively about eight minutes to eat through 200 pounds of raw bone and raw meat.

And pigs will eat whatever they want when they're hungry. So you make 16 pigs very, very hungry, and then you throw in a 200 pound person cut up in pieces. They will go through the bone like butter. Seriously? Or that's strong? Apparently, yeah. They can go through the bone like butter. Like butter. Seriously? Yeah, really that's strong? Apparently, yeah. They can go through the bone like butter.

Like butter. Now Ian Brady was one of these people who really just contemplated how to kill someone and it all started. Okay, we're going to go into his childhood, but I'm going to talk about the crime that inspired Ian Brady in the first place. So Ian Brady, when he got a little bit older, so this is what got a little bit of a flash forward, right? He wanted to commit the perfect murder and that's when he started reading this book called compulsion and it was about two people

already straws and Jude Steiner and Arti is this handsome popular sadistic dude and Jude is this genius looking for a companion that just idolized and they decide together that they're gonna Commit the crime of the century by murdering a 12 year old boy and getting away with it Now little did you know little did you know this actually happened in real life? So this is what a lot of people considered the almost perfect murder This is about Nathan Leopold Jr. and Richard Albert Loeb They were both students at the University of Chicago. They were two very very wealthy students

This was like in the 30s by the way, okay? Now Nathan, he was considered a child prodigy. He had his first words at the age of four months old, which I don't know anything about kids, so I was like, oh sounds a little slow, but apparently not. That's really really fast apparently. And he graduated University of Chicago. He was on his way to Harvard Law School when he committed this murder, and people might think like, why would you ever do something like that? You're about to go to Harvard Law School. Your family is loaded! What is your deal? And he studied 15 languages. He was fluent in five. Completely fluent in five. He was nationally recognized around that time as an ornithologist.

Which means like you are the master of birds, as they study bird migration, they know about which species does what and everything like that. And he had yet no, but like, but like he also provided some information to like the national fucking organization of bird people. Okay, the Ministry of Birds. He had reported that there was something causing the death of a lot of the species or something. I don't know. He saved a bunch of birds, okay. But then he killed people.

Yeah, so he was naturally recognized in that association and then Richard, the other half, they're just friends, by the way. He was intelligent, but he preferred more to be social instead of staying at home and studying like Nathan did. So Richard would play tennis, he would socialize, he would read crime novels and detective novels. And together when they became friends, they decided, you know what, let's go commit some crimes. We want to get away with some crimes. So they start resorting to petty theft, vandalism, and then slowly they started setting houses on fire.

They were a part of arson groups and shit and there was no media tension on it like on any of the crimes So this really upset them because they were like how do you get away with such a big crime when nobody even knows There was a crime that was committed so they wanted to commit crime just for the reason of getting away with it So weird so weird right and so they decided for months They spent seven months planning the method of abduction, the disposal of the body, and they confirmed that their perfect crime was going to be to pick up someone. It was going to be this um, okay. So also the reason that they wanted to commit a crime and get away with it is

that when you murder someone and you don't get caught, it's something called, they called it superhuman status. That means you could take another life and not have any repercussions. So that means you're above the law, you're above everyone else. So they came up with that idea themselves. Yeah, it came from like them reading about something and then they just got obsessed with this idea. Super ecotistical. Yeah. They just want to fucking feel like they're the shit. Yeah, and they were really smart. And they said the only way to confirm that they are part of these like intellectual elite people, these superhuman status

people is to kill someone. So that's when they get Bobby Franks. At the time Nathan and Richard were both 19 and 18 years old and the hardest people is to kill someone. So that's when they get Bobby Franks. At the time Nathan and Richard were both 19 and 18 years old and Bobby was 14. He was the son of a wealthy Chicago watch manufacturer and the reason that they chose him was because, well, I mean, they lived in the same neighborhood as him. Actually, Richard was his second cousin and they played tennis together and he literally did ask, like, lived across the street and they just didn't like his personality. First of all, they thought Bobby was a little spoiled kid, right?

And second of all, they thought that if they went after a son of a wealthy family, it would be a lot bigger of a crime. Like it's not like you're stealing just and nobody off the streets. You're stealing, you know, a very, very prominent family's kid. So they were like, this is going to be all over the news. He's under age.

He belongs to a rich family. This is gonna be amazing. So May 21st of 1924, they rented a car and a fake name by the name of Morton D. Ballard. And they offered Frank a ride home from school and he was like, nothing, some good. Like, I'm literally like, right there, right? And they were like, no, no, no, get in the car.

And Richard, being his second cousin who plays tennis with him, was like, hey, by the way, I've been thinking about getting rid of some of my tennis records. Do you want some of my tennis records?" And so Frank was like, oh, why are you getting rid of those? And he gets into the car and that's when one of them was driving and the other one grabbed a chisel that they had bought recently and they just started stabbing Bobby with it. They pulled him into the back seat, they gagged him, and he soon bled to death in the car. Now they drive to Wolflake,

which was about 25 miles away, and around sunset time, they removed and discarded Bobby's clothes, they concealed his body in the river, they sunk his body in the river. They also, before they did that, put hydrochloric acid on Bobby's face and his genitals to conceal the fact that he had

circumcision done. So like, I guess that was like an identifying factor in the 20s, is that it was a little bit maybe more rare to have beaten circumcised. So they plored acid all over his genitals. Thankfully, he wasn't alive during all of this because that would have been incredibly painful. And then afterwards, when they got home, they burned Bobby's clothes, they cleaned the rental

car, returned it, and they started playing cards with each other. Like nothing happened. Crazy. How evil young kids can get. And then the next day they called Bobby's mom and said, hey, wait for a ransom letter, okay? They stole a typewriter months ago because like I said, they've been planning this for seven months. And with that stolen typewriter,

they typed up a ransom note. And it was kind of like, hey, just wait your next call, right? So they drop off that mail. And the next time that they call, they say, the next step to the ransom is going to be found at this location. The Bobby Frank's family member who had picked up the call where they called again to, because they wanted a really intricate ransom plan. I don't know why, it was like a call, then a letter, and then another call to tell them where the next letter would be.

And this was the call where they would tell them where the next letter would be. And it was placed in like this public area. And the person who had picked up the phone on Bobby's side of the family forgot the address, because they were so nervous. Yeah. So that's crazy. So then that whole thing just kind of hit a dead point and they were like, okay, well we're not gonna risk calling it back. The only reason that they were doing this

ransom thing was to make it seem like that was the motive of the crime. So this was like part of their brilliant cover-up plan, right? But Bobby's Bobby's body became found. So they just kind of stopped everything. Now Richard, he went about his regular routine and was just trying to lay it low. This is his second cousin, lives across the street, plays tennis with him.

I mean, he's just going to act like he's greeting, right? Now Nathan, on the other hand, he would literally talk to anybody offering theories. Like, he's like, listen, I'm so smart. Let me give you all the theories about what I think happened. Like, listen, I'm about to go to Harvard offering theories. Like he's like, listen, I'm so smart. Let me give you all the theories about what I think happened. Like listen, I'm about to go to Harvard Law School so let me give you the theories of what I think is about to happen, right?

And he even said, and I quote to a reporter, if I were to murder anybody, it would be just, it would be just such a cocky son of a bitch as Bobby Franks. What the fuck? Like, I don't know why he would say that. And then it ended up biting him in the butt because near the crime scene, they found a pair of eye glasses. Now, these are generic eye glasses that thousands of people in Chicago have prescription eye

glasses, right? Uh-huh. But there was an unusual screw that only three people in Chicago had recently purchased to be fitted with those specific eye glasses. And Nathan was one of them. Genius Nathan left his eye-gab glasses at the crime scene. And so he claimed that they fell off while they were bird watching a couple weeks back before the murder ever happened, but you know the police were very suspicious.

So they questioned both of them. The police were suspicious because I mean all of it was just weird. The fact that he was so involved with the reporters about the murder investigation to begin with all of these things. It was just like we don't believe you. And so they questioned him and he said, well you know my alibi is Richard. I was with Richard that night and we went golfing and that all came to like a weird stop because they actually questioned Nathan Schofer. Imagine that. Imagine that you get caught from murder because your Schofur gives you up. And so Nathan is like, listen, so me and Richard,

we took my car and we went golfing. And so Nathan Schofur was like questioned and they said, did you take them golfing? And he said, no, I didn't take them golfing. And they said, okay, well, maybe they drove themselves and the Schofur goes, well, that's impossible because the car was broken and so I was fixing that car that day. And so they're like, okay, great.

So the both of them, they confessed to murder and they immediately start blaming each other. And when the police asked, you know, why did you do it? Like, what was the reason? They just said, they wanted to get away with murder. They were disappointed because they thought maybe after they killed someone, they would feel a little bit different. But they felt exactly the same. What what do you mean? Like during the killing they thought they would get some crazy rush. Something cool happens to them but no. But they don't also they don't feel sad or remorse or they just felt exactly the same. Apparently they're

not that smart. Yeah how do you leave your eye glasses behind it? That's just really bad. No. I mean, what are you talking about? Now, Ian Brady, let's talk about his childhood. Wait, so that was a book. Yeah, it's a real crime. The book is based off of the real crime. I see. And so this is a crime that Ian Brady was obsessed with. And the minute that I said his name, if you guys live in the UK, then you already know who I'm talking about. This is one of the most prolific serial killers of the UK history, right? So Ian Brady is just part of the duo.

So it's Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. There are a couple and they will go on to kill five children together. And the whole purpose is to get away with murder. They also become obsessed with books. There was this one other book that I'm going to go into great detail about, so it's just going to get really dark. Like you got to hold on to your pants because it's going to get real sinister. So Ian Brady's childhood

was that that was not, I mean it was not particularly astonishing. It was not particularly shocking or sad or anything like that. He was born in Scotland to a Margaret Peggy Stewart and she was an unmarried TV room waitress. So around that time when he was born, it just was not normal to have just a single mom, usually they're married, to even be born when you're in a relationship and they're not married, was just like this big shock of the town, right? And so he would always ask, like, who is my dad, who is my dad? And people would always say that his dad was a reporter for the glass glow paper and he died three months before he was born so he never really knew who his dad was. There's rumors that Ian Brady is actually the result of a one-night stand so we don't really know. Now around the time that

he was like four months old his mom realized that she just can't get a job because she can't afford child care so because she can't afford a babysitter she can't have time to go to work and because she can't go to work she can't get a job because she can't afford childcare. So because she can't afford a babysitter, she can't have time to go to work and because she can't go to work, she can't afford a babysitter. And so that's when she decided to put up an ad, like literally at a coffee shop, she put up a piece of paper that said,

I will give you one pound a week if you take my kit. And so Mary and John Sloan, they were not a well-off family. They already had four kids of their own, but they were like, listen, we've already got a lot of supplies that take care of kids. And we feel for this person because when we were having kids, it was just as difficult. So let's do it. They call out to her and they said, okay, like, we're going to take your kid.

Now the way that they had arranged it was really good because actually Margaret would be able to visit Ian Brady almost on a weekly basis. So he didn't know until a while later that Margaret was his mom. He just thought it was like this really friendly woman who would bring gifts every week. So they just thought it was like a mom's friend and Mary became known as his mom to him. And they adopted him and he had taken on the name Sloan. So he was Ian Sloan for a long time of his life. And there's rumors that he would do creepy things like torture animals and throw cats off the roof. But I don't really know

if these are true. There's no confirmation that this is true. And on top of that Ian Brady is actually one of the few serial killers that is obsessed with pets. They love pets. He loves animals. So I can't imagine when he was young. He killed them and then later on he grew to love pets. He loves animals. So I can't imagine when he was young, he killed them and then later on, he grew to love them. How do we know that he loves animals? He had a dog with my rod that he loved and he said that people who hurt animals are scum. What? Yeah, someone's really weird. Oh, that sounds weird. Yeah, so some people say that neighbors, you know, they talk to the press later and they were like, yeah, he used to throw cats off the roof

But you it gets a little weird when a serial killer is exposed because all of the neighbors come out of the woodworks and like, I fucking know it You know, they're like, oh, new that was weird. I knew that bitch is weird like they say stuff like that So I'm not sure if this is true, especially because his pattern later on just kind of doesn't really Prove it. So it's a little strange and he really loves the outdoors. So I know that this is not my Halloween episode and I'm actually doing an episode maybe a baking and mystery that's going up on Halloween day. But I think it's really important that you guys hear this out before Halloween is quickly approaching us before the holidays.

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and he just was not able to see his mom anymore. And by that point, he had found out that this was his mom. So he was just a little bit confused and he was accepted into something called Charlene's Academy, which was a school for above average kids. So he was kind of doing well up until, up until, her mom moved away and his bad behavior was just going bizarre

He had like this group of school friends and what he would do is that he would say okay every day that we come to school We're gonna pick a little victim for the day And the rest of us we're gonna bully that victim and of course Ian Brady was never the picked victim He was kind of like the ringleader of them all so they'd be like hey Kevin You're the victim today, and today we're gonna tie you up to a tree and like tickle you and beat you. And so they'd be like, okay, and everyone would go along with it because the victim would change every single day. It wasn't like it was always the same person, so then they'd be like, oh, I'm not hanging out with you guys anymore. So that was just like this weird.

Wait, so like they pick on anyone anyone just even someone from their own group It was always someone from their own group and it was just a victim of the day. That's so weird Isn't it weird? It's fucking weird. It's weird. What they do that exactly and I think maybe they felt like some sort of camaraderie from all of this people think that this happened because Ian Brady was obsessed with Nazis like he loved The Nazis now the war around this time, World War II had ended about five years ago. And so there was just, I mean, there was a lot going on

and he was just obsessed with it. He would want to recreate infamous scenes that he had heard about that the Nazis had done and he would just recreate them with his friends. Like, oh my God, you're gonna pretend to be like in a gas chamber. Oh, I'm gonna shoot you and they'd pretend to just be shot dead.

It was horrendous. I mean, I don't, I don't even know how that would work. Wait, how old were they? He was like 11. He was so young. Yeah, kids are weird. Yeah, kids are so weird. I mean, I remember when I was 11, I played house.

Yeah, exactly. But they're tape killing different type of house. Yeah, not a house. Yeah, a war. Yeah, it's But they're taping different type of house. Yeah, not a house. Yeah a war Yeah, it's just so dark and so this is just exactly the kind of like atmosphere that he would Create around all of his friends now. There was this one situation that he claims is not true Ian Brady said that this never happened But the victim came forward and talked about it and he said that he was actually one of Ian Brady's friends back in the day and he was the chosen victim of the day that day.

So Ian had instructed all of the friends, tying him to a tree and to cover the boy, the victim, and newspaper and put newspaper all of the ground, and then he would go around threatening to light it with a little box of matches in his hand. And everyone was pretending to be like, oh my god, we're just Nazis, right? Like literally, I'm not saying that to be funny. Like that's literally how they did it. And he's laughing out of shock. Yeah, they weren't even doing it.

Like, oh, I'm just a Nazi and trying to make it that term something else. They genuinely were pretending to be Nazis, right? And so he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna light him on fire. What do you guys say, my fellow Nazis? And they'd be like yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna light him on fire what do you guys say my fellow Nazis and they'd be like yeah do it woo right and then did they do it and that's where it gets a little bit murky the victim came forward and said that it happened that he lit the newspapers on fire and he suffered very small burns but the rest of the boys kind of snapped out of it the minute that he actually did it.

They thought this was some like role playing like they did with like the pretending to shoot each other. When they were pretending to be Nazis. So they were kind of shook. The minute that he sent him on fire, all of them stamped out the fire, but it just was a lot. He kind of had a bit of like a falling out after that with his friends. And he started getting into girlfriends.

And this, he's very interesting. So his first girlfriend was when he really discovered that he liked sex. So he would kiss her so hard that her mouth would bleed, that his mouth would bleed. And it was just like this thing that he would do with her all the time. Now he really wanted to graduate. Yeah. Now he really wanted to graduate into having sex. And so he gets a new girlfriend. But this new girlfriend, he was like, I can't have sex with her because she is so pure. And I love her innocence. And if I have sex with her, I will ruin her.

And I won't like her anymore if I have sex with her because she's no longer pure. Which is just such an odd thing to think when you're at that age, right? And so then his third girlfriend, he decided to go the complete opposite way. And apparently he had lost his origin to her. They had crazy sex. They had three sons. I mean, he was very, very young. And he was just doing all of this nonsense.

And so at 15 years old, he leaves the academy and he became a worker at a shipyard. So there was this one issue though that he had suffered Which was the fact that he had a family pet by the name of Sheila So he's still living with the Sloans, right? And they had this dog ever since he was young and her name was Sheila Now they all kind of knew that Sheila was getting old so even the Sloans they were all just like we're gonna get ready Like we know that dogs don't live forever, right? And one day Ian came home from school and his mom was just crying in the corner. Mrs. Loan. And he knew exactly

what had happened and the dog was gone. And so he ran out of the house and he started wandering around just crying. And he started to kind of realizing this one fact, the fact that death is inevitable. And he said it was a really emotional experience for him. Very strange, right? So the death of the dog did a number on him? Did a big number on him. And then he also had issues after this, where he would start stealing things.

The Sloans, yeah, they weren't well off, but they were really trying to make a good living for their kids, right? So they already have like four biological kids, and then they have Ian, which by the way, the Sloans never ever made it seem like Ian was not their kid Even when he was committing crimes, they never threatened to kick him out They never threatened to send him to his mom. They were just like, hey, why are you doing this? What's going on? Right? And there was this one time where he had stolen something and another dude had ratted him out And he decided to go confront that dude and he started running towards that dude.

And he said that the fear in this guy's eyes when he was running towards him, it was so good. It was almost delicious. He loved the power and the ability to put that fear into someone's face. And he just became a little bit obsessed. And that's when he decided to do something else. So he had multiple more arrests. He had new jobs after new jobs. He went to jail multiple times to the point where literally the police were like, do you want to go to jail again or do you want to go live with your biological mom because you have these two choices. And so he went to move back in with his biological mom in England and now she was living with her new husband whose last name was Brady

And he got along with them So he even changed his name to Ian Brady from Ian Sloan and that's when he decided to do something completely shocking everybody was shook by this He decided to better himself. He was like I'm gonna get I need to help myself, okay? So he decided to go to the library He would rent these books out and he would just study all night long He wouldn't go out, he wouldn't go steal anymore, he would just study. What is he studying? We'll get into that, but he had a very interesting love for

philosophers who had weird philosophies. And now let's meet the other half. Myra Hindley, I'm gonna start with their childhood because the minute that they meet each other, it's just like this bang happens and just so much chaos occurs, right? So Myra Hindley's childhood, she's dubbed the most evil woman in Britain, which is kind of crazy because a couple weeks ago,

we talked about Rose West, Road, Rosemary and Fred West and their house of horrors. And that was a lot, right? But she is considered the most evil. Which by the way, this is the one I'm talking about that Rose West had an affair in prison with is my Rehenly. Two female serial killers that killed children

had an affair in prison. Are you serious? Yeah, Rose Marguest remember her? Yeah. The one with the peepoles in the room. What? Yeah, so allegedly they had an affair in prison. So they're from the same age, same time?

Yeah. This is weird. So weird. The collab nobody asked for. Can I say that that was a really dark joke? Yeah, that was a really dark joke, sorry. Okay, so Mira Hindley, the most evil woman in Britain, she really didn't start off that way. Like when people were asked about Mira Henley's childhood, everyone would say that she was

just so, so mediocre. There's really nothing to say about her except for the fact that she was just the pure definition of mediocre. Was she good at something? Not really? Was she horrendous at something? Not really. She was just, she was just fucking lukewarm.

Not even like a nice. No, just like super average. Just super mediocre. Like there's not one thing that they can really say, like oh, at least she was passionate about like fucking, I don't know, Pokemon cards. Harry Potter, like they're just like, yeah, she just was there.

Yeah, she existed. Now, she was born to Nelly, her mom, and Bob, her dad, and both of them would beat her regularly And they came from a really really impoverished family like it was really bad So when she was first born she was forced to sleep on a single bed That was directly next to her parents bed because they could only afford like just that much space for the beds, right? Yeah, and her parents decided to have a second kid her name was Marine So her younger sister she comes very pertinent to the story later.

And that made them a little bit more poor, right? And the dad, he had served with the British Air Forces. Now people say, people say that Bob, he was a good dude until after the Second War. OK, why? So it said that during the Second War, which I know lots of people are talking about the Second War right now because it's said that during the Second War, which I know lots of people are talking about the Second War right now because

It's kind of crazy, you know back in the day everyone was like I volunteer to kill myself for the country and war and now we're all like Torn apart You get it. Oh, yeah, and so the Second War apparently everyone just drank alcohol the whole time because it kept them warm And it kind of cut the edge off of all the death because it wasn't like a cute little like we're just gonna put on our little uniforms and march around like it was a fucking war and so many people died and so they would just be constantly drinking. So Bob before the British Air Force he was known to be a very very nice dude up until afterwards he was just a drunk alcoholic. He had, he was stationed in North Africa and then Italy later during the Second World War

and he was a veteran. So when he came back he was a hard man. Everyone said that he expected his daughters to be really really tough. So at 8 years old my rush comes home with this scratch on her cheek. She's like daddy daddy I'm crying because this local boy he scratched my cheek. I don't even know why I mean I was out of nowhere so rude and so she's crying to her dad And I guess what you would expect from a dad at that point is to be like, you know what?

It's gonna be okay. I'm gonna go talk to that boy's parents, right? Yeah, but is her dad looked at her and said If you don't go beat that boy up, I will beat you up That's a weird way of Yeah teaching he said that if you don't go beat that boy up. I will beat you up. That's a weird way of teaching. He said that if you don't stand up for yourself, you're going to get beat up by me now. So his message is you have to stand up for yourself. Yeah, with violence. And so she went back out there and she beat that boy up. And she said that this was her dad's proudest moment in her entire life. And also that this was like her first conquer. That's what she called it. Interesting.

Was when she was eight years old. And then her dad would, the only time that they would get along and he wouldn't beat her is when he taught her how to like punch things. Like he was like, I learned this in war, punch this. Wow. Yeah, very strange. And so it was just a lot. So I guess that this would cause a lot of psychological issues in her because I mean, she experienced violence in the home.

The dad would beat her and her younger sister, but the dad would also beat his wife. And Nelly, she was kind of like, she was a little soft, but she was also very mean. So she would beat her husband back, and they would just beat each other up. And so there was just lots of violence in the house And then she sees that and then she goes out and now her dad is so proud of her for beating up a local boy So it's like this confusing of like violence is always in the house

But I'm also rewarded for the violence that I bring outside of the house So she was just getting confused now at this time I mean the violence was getting so bad because I mean it was just a lot in the house. So she was just getting confused. Now at this time, I mean, the violence was getting so bad because I mean, it was just a lot in the house. And the parents, it seemed like they still kind of cared about the kids. And they were like, we don't want them to grow up like this. Obviously, they're becoming miserable. And so they came up with this plan. So Nellie's mom, which is Maira's grandmother, she lived literally across the street. So they decided that the girls were going to stay with the grandma. And they would just come back every day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So it was like they would

sleep with grandma, they would spend most of the nights at grandma, but they would kind of pretend to live in their parents' house once in a while. So they would still have their mother and father figure around. So it was kind of like this, you know, collaborative effort to raise the kids well. So it seems like they did put in a lot of effort, right? Now when Mira was around 13 years old, she befriended someone by the name of Michael Higgins. And Michael was like her best friend. The reason that they became friends was because

Mira saw Michael getting bullied, and she beat up his bullies multiple times. And she was like, can you not bully this random kid? And so she would beat up the bullies, and then like a couple weeks later, she would see Michael getting bullied again. So she'd walk over there and beat up the bullies again. And so Michael was like, I kind of really like you, right? Like you want to be friends.

And so they became really, really, really good friends. And it seems like it was a genuine relationship. It wasn't like a weird, violent, you know, she was just trying to like beat him up, you know, instead type of situation. Like it was just truly a good friendship. Now Michael one day, he was like, listen like beat him up, you know instead type of situation like it was just Truly a good friendship now Michael one day who was like listen my route. Why don't we go to the swimming like swimming in a reservoir That was like his favorite thing to do. There was like this little reservoir and he was like let's go swimming Let's go swimming and she was like oh, I can't like I already made friends to go already made plans to go with another friend somewhere else So he's like oh well, I guess I'll just go alone.

So he goes to the reservoir alone and she goes with her friend and does her thing and as she's walking home from hanging out with her friend, she hears someone say, did you hear about the accident at the reservoir and everyone's talking about the reservoir and the reservoir and she's like, oh no, like that's where Michael was, right? And so she immediately runs over to the reservoir and she saw the police pulling his drowned body out of the reservoir. He had drowned. What are the odds of that? Yeah, and Mira, she blamed herself a lot for his death because she was also a very very good swimmer. So she felt like if she had gone to the reservoir, it would have been like a double accident. Like it would have been both of them dying like she could have saved him Because she was that good at swimming. So right now it sounds like she's a really good person I mean that's really good, but like a averagely good. Yeah, like has a heart

Yeah, like like a violent kind person like a like a vigilante justice beats up the bully type of person, right? Yeah, but I don't know right And she was also really good with kids. Am I just praising a serial killer right now? I'm not. But also, you have to remember this is before her crimes, right? Yeah. So she was a baby sitter, but she never really

wanted kids of her own. She didn't even really like her sister's kids. She didn't really care for her nieces and nephews. She was good with them. The kids loved her, but she just didn't really care for her like nieces and nephews. She just she was good with them The kids loved her, but she just didn't really particularly like kids And then she had lots of different jobs. I mean so back in the day, right? The whole thing was that when you were a girl living in a village like this They're like a not so great area from a not so great family is that you would just turn 19

You would probably get a factory job You would meet a husband, get married, and then stay at home while you raise the kids in a very average home, right? And that was kind of like her path. So she got a job at a mechanic shop and all of her colleagues at first, they were like, oh my God, we love her new employee,

we love MyRat, we love MyRat, right? And the way that they would get paid every week is that they would just get this random envelope of cash in it and their name on it. And that's how they take it home. It's just this white envelope with their name on it and they go home and that's their weekly paycheck. Now one day, they're walking home, everyone's in a good mood because of course it's pay day, right? So they're walking home with their little envelopes and she comes back to work that day just crying, crying her eyes out. And she said she had dropped her paycheck and then the wind had blown it into the river or something.

And like her money is gone. She doesn't know what to do. Now of course, because this is like a mechanic shop, most of the people who were working there, they were paycheck to paycheck. Like they depended on that. That wasn't just like, oh, I'm gonna go buy a shirt with this money, like that was rent, that was food.

And so all of our colleagues felt so bad that they rallied together and they all pitched in a little bit to make up her full paycheck again. And she was so grateful. And she cried and cried. And then she went home with that paycheck. And then the next week, she came and crying. And she said, my paycheck, my paycheck, I dropped it and the wind pulled it into the river. Now this time nobody gave her money and it just

left like a really nasty taste in people's mouth. People are like, really dude, is this the game that you're gonna try doing? Like they were even questioning the first time now. Yeah, what is she dumb? So it seems like we don't even know if the first time was real or not. So we don't know if it was like this plan or if it just happened and she saw that it worked and she was so dumb that she was like, I'm gonna do it again. Right, right. So I'm not sure. So that was like her little undoing at this work. And so when everyone started hating her, she was like, fine, I'm gonna get a different job now, right? And so she started working somewhere else

and she was actually engaged at this point. And a guy by the name of Ronnie. Okay, so it's not the other serial code. Yeah, she really liked Ronnie. But she was just like, this is how it's supposed to be. Like I'm already 17, I've missed my prime. You know, there's no way I can find someone else before I turn 19.

Like usually people were getting married at like 18 around that age. So she was like, I got to, I got to find my booth. Yeah, when I was 18, I was like, I got to find a bra that doesn't give me a digestion, but she was like, I got to find the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with. A very tough times. Yeah. So she starts dating Ronnie and it just was a very lackluster relationship She decides to do other things to occupy her time like take judo lessons Yeah, she used to take judo lessons and everyone hated being her judo partner because they said that she would never release them Like she would she'd be like let me just practice with you and then she would hold them in a like a death grip

And then like usually when you tap out in these little and then she would hold them in a death grip, and then usually when you tap out in these little practice things, they let go, right? But she was just kinda hold on for a little bit longer. And she was like, what are you doing? And she was just like, test them in it more. And so nobody was really her partner, so her judo lessons kind of went moot

because nobody wanted to actually practice with her and how do you practice judo by yourself? You't really so she became bored of that and that's when she got a new job at Millworth's wholesale chemical distribution and she was the typist and that's where Ian Brady was working as a clerical position. Uh oh. We're about to get into their dating life and their dating life is really intense not in the ways that I would want it to be. Oh. We're about to get into their dating life and their dating life is really intense. Not in the ways that I would want it to be.

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the tingles, which is this weird relationship that we're about to dive deep into. Now, Maira, immediately when she laid her little eyes on Ian, she was like, best my man. She was like, I love this guy. He is so handsome. What is it about him? He doesn't look, he's not like other boys, right?

So she immediately was like, I wanna make him my boyfriend, even though I'm engaged right now, right? She was like, I'm going to date this guy. And it just wasn't working because Ian had absolutely no interest in her. He was just reading his book during break all the time. He just was not trying to be in a relationship. It was just weird. The way that Myra describes her first impression of him is fatal attraction. Those are her words. Fatal. Fatal attraction. Yeah. And so she tries for months, for months to get him to notice her, to like her anything. She even started a diary where she would just write about Ian. And like to tell you how obsessive she was over him was the fact that she would just detail in her diary, oh today Ian smiled at me. Dear diary, Ian Brady smiled at me twice today. Dear diary, Ian Brady ate my lunch today.

What? I don't know, I'm just saying, like that's usually the problems I have with co-workers, but she would just keep a diary of everything that she would write about her little experiences with Ian and it just was really, really, really intense. She said that he could just smile at you and everything would just be amazing. And everything she did just wasn't working. So one day she notices that he's reading a book about Nazis by a certain author, so she goes to the library, checks out a book, the exact same book, and just like casually starts reading it during lunch

Which is weird because the whole time that she had been trying to hit on Ian I mean she's a social person so she was constantly talking to people during the break lunch, right? And then suddenly she's like, oh guys, can you keep it quiet? I'm reading this book And so he noticed and he was like, oh you like that book? And she's like, I like that book and they start talking about the book She has no idea what he's talking about because she hasn't read the book. And so she's just like, oh my god, this is working.

So the next day, she went to the library, brought another book from that author, and she was returning to read it. And he was like, you know what? Why don't we go out? And she was like, really? And so they started dating. So they went out for a couple drinks.

And usually their date routine would be to go to the cinema, and they would watch this x-rated movie and then they would go back to myrice place where she lives with her grandma and they would just drink German wine while reading about Nazi atrocities. Like they would literally sit there and read about the darkest shit that the Nazis did and they would like read it together. Like you know how we recently reread Harry Potter together? They would do it but like about Nazis. And they liked it. Yeah, but it wasn't even like in a historical way.

You know, it was just kind of like a leisurely thing. It wasn't like they were trying it. Yeah, like they weren't trying to gain information from it. They weren't trying to like, it genuinely like, this was their hobby. This was their free time. And that was around the time that Myra started debututing her new look, which was she bleached her black brown hair, which I'm sure you guys can kind of maybe draw a connection there.

And she wore crimson red lipstick and dark eyeliner. And she was receiving lots of male attraction because everyone was like, you look so different. It looked so cool. And she really liked it. I mean, she didn't really care for any other guy, but she really liked that people were looking out for her. So they would just spend their time doing this.

They would watch movies. And now Ian Brady was an atheist. And Myra was pretty much a Christian for her entire life. I mean, she was so big of a Christian that up until she met Ian Brady, she was saving it towards marriage. She was like, I'm not going to have sex with anyone. I mean, she did lose her virginity to Ian Brady.

And she said it was weird because it was really violent. I mean, he would choke her. He would do all these crazy things with her. And she just didn't know that that's not what sex is because I mean, this was her first time. So she was like, I guess that's just sex is a violent thing. And she said she didn't particularly enjoy her. I thought she started, like, what is it?

Well, was this sport that she was playing and nobody wants to play with her anymore. Oh, judo. She starts playing judo with you. Why do I think that's funny? That's not funny. Oh my God. And he would always just shed on her beliefs.

He would try to come up with these arguments why Christianity is not real. And she was really kind of falling prey to it. You can definitely see that there was a power dynamic. She would even tell her friends and family like anytime she would be like, I'm going to church today in front of all of her friends. He'd be like, that's stupid.

That's not real. And they would look at her like, he'd be like, that's stupid, you know, that's, you know, God's not real. And she, they would look at her like, what the fork, like that's so disrespectful. What's wrong with him? And she would say, well, he is smarter than me. So, so she just kind of, I guess went along with it. One time she even wrote a letter to her friends saying that Ian has like this really lengthy criminal record. And he's drugged her before to assault her.

And she can't help it though, she's just obsessed with him. And then a few months later, her friend was writing back, like, you need to get out of this relationship. This sounds really toxic. Like, he sounds like not a good person. And my friend wrote back to her friend saying, can you destroy that letter? I don't know what I was thinking sending it. Okay.

And then she had another change of appearance where she started just wearing risky clothes, just like high boots, shorts, skirts, leather jackets, which back in the day was like, risk it. Now, they started going on new dates. These times, they would start going to the library and they would just read up on philosophy, crying, torture, Nazi stuff. That was like their favorite thing.

And people, other people like documentaries, other like crime videos I've seen. They all kind of like breeze through this part, which I get it, but I find it so fascinating, right? And I kind of want to get into it, so this part is going to be about a specific philosopher, a French noble man and philosopher and writer, and he was one of their favorites. They loved anything written by Marquis de Sadiie or Sadie. I'm not sure. I'm not French and I'm also not cultured. I'm an idiot. And so he was back in the day, the word Sadism and Sadist is actually derived from his name. Which if you guys don't know, Sadism is when you get pleasure from inflicting pain on other people. So most serial killers are sadists.

They like seeing people in pain. And he wrote a lot of erotic work. It was considered pornography. He would depict sexual fantasies with an emphasis on violence against women and children. He loved suffering. He loved anal sex. He loved crime that was mixed in with sexual fantasies.

And people called him a blasphemy against Christianity, because this was way back in the day, right? And one of their favorite works to read together and one of his most infamous works is a book called 121 Days of Sodom and I'm gonna read you about it, okay? So the medieval, it's a medieval castle setting and it's high in the mountains. So think about that, right? You've got this giant beautiful castle think Hogwarts in the mountains, surrounded by forest and these four wealthy noble men,

they're sitting around and they're thinking to themselves, our life is so boring. You know, what can we do that will spice, bring some spice into our lives, right? For a man in the castle? Yeah, just the four of them and so they're like Graffindor But you know Helga and

Ravina was that her name Ravenclaw. It was two two girls and you okay. Sorry Anyways, so they're like we need to do something more fun We need to spend the next four months of our life really living our lives to the fullest What's the point of being so rich if we can't have fun? That's how they were thinking to themselves and so they decided to lock themselves into the castle for four months With four female brothel keepers, so they're like madams who just you know They have brothels and 30 16-agers including their own daughters, including male teens and female teens, and their own daughters.

And so the way that the story is set up is that the brothel keepers, they would read these erotic novels to the foreign noblemen. And then after they are read these novels in like a seductive voice, they would go recreate the scenes from the erotic novels. And a lot of it involved orgies with underage people, including their own kids. And they had lots of poop eating involved, which they considered a delicacy.

So they would eat it like, yeah, literally like a delicacy. And the problem that people had with it was not only is this probably the nastiest books ever written in history, to the point where it is banned in so many countries and it still is banned. And so many countries like Imagine paper is banned. Like you're like, you can't read what's on this paper because you just can't, right? It was banned and it's written as if these four wealthy males are just like the heroes of the book. They're not written to be like nasty, disgusting,

vultures, like they need to be in prison, like they're written as if, wow, imagine what a heroic tale that they have now created. It was just written so nastily, right? And they would even like have this little goblet, like the goblet of fire, but instead of like winning a try-whizzer tournament, it was pee So they would have these teenagers like pee in there and like the four men would like take turns drinking it Oh my god. Yeah, it was just weird. So the chapters each chapter was broken down into the four months Like I said they locked themselves up there for four months, right? And the first month was November coming up in a couple of days and the title of that chapter was simple passions So it just dealt with

sex, orgies, drinking pee, eating poop. That was called simple passions. Then December, they really amped it up. And now all of this I'm simplifying it because in the book itself, they go really in depth on to all of these. I think the book itself has 150 plus antidotes of rape, which means just little short stories of rape. Yes, so it was banned from a lot of places. Anyways, so that's the simple pleasures. Now, December is chapter number two, and they called it complex passions. And that included the complex passions, included rape, incest, and something called sacrilegious activity, where these males would like to rape nuns

while mass was being performed. I mean, you're talking about some real sick nasty stuff, like so disrespect all to literally every human out there. There is not one human that they have not disrespected in this book. So that was chapter number two. I mean it amps up every chapter. So chapter number three, January was called criminal passions. That's when they started doing things that they believed to be illegal. So I guess maybe they didn't think rape or incest or sacrilegious

activity was illegal. So this included extreme pedophilia, like three years old, and then mutilation, so they would assault the teenagers while cutting off their fingers, and pouring wax on them and stuff. And they would even prostitute their own daughters to the nastiest people that they could find nearby the castle, and they would watch the proceedings happen. And then chapter number four was February.

So February was called murderous passion. And that one was just real nasty. There was over 150 tales of murder. They would disembowel pregnant women. They would skin children alive. They would impregnate women in the minute that they, like, well, they went in impregnant. They were, I guess they were already pregnant.

It's weird, right? So they would be pregnant. They would give birth, and then they would kill the babies in front of the mom right after they gave birth for them to feel the trauma of that. There was even this one story, the short story in there about a guy who was obsessed with, you know, putting nails into boobs. Like he really loved sticking nails into boobs, and so his final deed that he wanted to do in February because you know it was getting amped up every single time. He decided to create a bed of nails and he assaulted women on there while they lay

bleeding to death. Oh my god. And then chapter number five was March but March is just a cleanup. It's the shortest chapter and it just tells you who dies. It's just like so these people are dead now because of, you know, all the torture and stuff. Yeah, so he released that from prison. The author is a, is in prison? Yeah, so you're probably wondering, that, that doesn't make sense. There's no way someone, I mean, I am full, I am a full believer that books and these like, works of literature, you can be as sick nasty as you want.

It's up to the reader to not read your book, right? That's why I don't get like that offended by like songs like Wap coming out, like just don't listen to it. If you don't like it, right? I'm kind of like that on the same page with books, right? Sometimes you do explore very sick, sick ideas when you're writing a book. However, this one I find to be a little too much, right?

And it was because a lot of things were happening in his life at the same time. So in his real life, the real author's real life, not the book right, his first scandal was that he lived in this giant castle because he's a nobleman. I mean he was filthy rich. So he started having an affair with his wife's wife's sister that he also then moved into the castle with them and so neighbors were talking about it. That was his first scandal Then the second scandal was that he saw this woman begging on the side of the road and she's like, please I need a job. I need to feed my family and so he hired her and he was like you're gonna be a housekeeper at my castle So she said okay, amazing. I can send money back to my family

So she joins them in the castle where he strips her naked tiser her up, whips her, and then pours candle wax into the lacerations that the whips had caused. So it was just a lot of torture. So she ran away from the castle because she was held there for quite some time. She ran away, told the police and everything, and it was just this ginormous scandal. He went on the run because the police were looking for him,

and that's when he decided to drug for prostitutes to assault them. And it was just like this whole thing, and then he went on the run because the police were looking for him and that's when he decided to drug for prostitutes to assault them And it was just like this whole thing and then he went on the run again And then finally he was caught so during his short lifetime He spent 32 years in an insane asylum and he had numerous sexual crimes against young men women and children So he's not just like a psycho writer. Yeah, he actually is experimenting with these crimes. And then yeah, but he had this like such a privileged, what do you call it, pretentious way, because his claim, his claim for assaulting all of these people and torturing people and writing books like this is that he was a proponent of absolute freedom unrestrained

by morality, religion and law. So it sounds fancy when you say like that, but you're just a freaking criminal and you deserve to die in hell. Right, right, right. Yeah. So then they said that he would read this book to her. So Ian Brady would read that book 120 days of satan. And he would, how does he even find a book like that yeah and he would then beat her and assault her myra but I guess maybe in her head at the time because you know the claim is that she was so brainwashed by Ian at the time that she didn't realize maybe that's what was going on maybe she felt like this was like a sick fantasy that they were playing out and then the other two of their favorite authors was a Frederick Nia Chi, I think.

He's a German philosopher and I mean, he is a raw. They're called a philosopher, huh? Yeah, I mean, this one, this one seems like a philosopher. The only thing I could really find on him without getting bored was that he was a profound influence on modern intellectual history. And then I checked out after that, I was like, I was a lot. So he seems

to be a genuine philosopher. And then there was, um, Theodore Dostoevsky. I can never say his name, but you guys will probably remember his name from, um, crime and punishment, the author. He's a Russian novelist and a philosopher. So those were their favorite authors, and he particularly liked the first one I talked about. The nasty one. And so that's when they decide, you know why? We're gonna live a life of crime. Like these books are really motivating them to become just crazy criminals. They're like, what's the point?

What's the point of living in this little rat race society? We deserve better. You and I. You and I deserve to take things from people. You and I are not like other people, so they decided to go rob banks. Now, in order to do that, they needed to get a van. Because you can't just run out of a bank with all that money.

Like, you need to get a way car. Neither of them had a license. So, Mai Ra had to get a license because of Ian's criminal record. He literally was not allowed to get a license. So, he was like, OK, Mai Ra, you need to learn how to drive. Now, during this time, she would fail her license test three times before she finally got her driver's license.

It was known to be a very costly affair. She spent a lot of money trying to get this car, and it seemed like she was all hands down for it. She was like, yeah, sounds good. So finally, they get a van. And it was just, they just needed guns next. And so she was like, okay, I need to go get some guns. So she was like, you need to go to a rifle club and learn how to shoot. And then they can sell you a gun.

So she went to the rifle club and she's learning how to shoot. But all of the people that work at the rifle club are like, you really suck at shooting. Like, you're a really bad shot. And you seem to have a temper when you miss. And that doesn't seem like something we want in a gun owner. A really bad shot and a really temperamental shot is not exactly what we like in a gun owner. So she was denied to buy guns, but somehow she was able to talk some of the fellow members, like not the people who run the club,

but like fellow members and they were like, yeah, I guess I'll just sell you my gun. Cause they just had, I guess extra guns that they weren't using, so they sold some guns to her and just had extra guns that they weren't using so they sold some guns to her and just had some guns. I mean I don't think they really ever used them which is weird and so they're like yeah that's Rob Banks but then during all of this time as our prepping of Rob Banks they end up getting bored with it. They're like you know what let's not rob banks. Why don't we do something else? Why don't we go into photography? I'm not even getting!

So they had this fancy camera, they bought these lights and these dark room equipment and they just started taking photos of each other. That was around the time that they got a bit like a little dog together and they named it um puppet. I was gonna say baby a dog together named puppet. Okay. And they loved that dog, my rough fucking loved that dog. What kind of dog do you know? No, they would take pictures of that dog everywhere. They would take pictures. They would hold the dog, take rough-hucking-loved that dog. What kind of dog do you know? No, they would take pictures of that dog everywhere. They would take pictures. They would hold the dog, take pictures.

They took that dog everywhere. My rail was obsessed with that dog, which later on, the dog gets killed. Um, and it just was like this whole thing, right? And they would take explicit photos of each other, which people were shocked by because when my rail was growing up, she was known to be a prude in her hometown.

And so they just like really got into all this photography shit up until one day he sat down my run and said, you need to read this book. It's about the perfect murder. And she said, what? She said, what? The one I talked about about Richard and Nathan. Compulsion. But that was not, that was a dumb look.

Yeah, they got caught. And so he even explained why they must stop and they can do it better. And so he was like, I really want to do this. I know I can do this. By this point, he had moved in with Myra and Myra was living with her grandma still. So the grandma's living there, right?

And he was like, I need to do this so bad. Like, I know exactly how I'm going to do it. You know, I'm going to even make sure that, I mean, he was very, very OCD about it. Like, he would make sure that all of the buttons on their clothes, none of them were ever loose. Because if they decided to murder someone that day, one of the buttons fell off, it could lead back to that. So he was kind of like paranoid about things like that. And so for months, they were just planning. They were like fantasizing. They would like hold hands, talk about, okay, like how should we dispose of the body? How do we lure them in? But like, what kind of victims are we looking for? They would just constantly talk about it. They would literally

ride about it. They would take pictures of little kids walking around being like, what about that one? You think that's a good victim? Wow. And they turned it into like this weird little couple's activity they did together, right? And so finally, finally, they were like, today's the day, we're gonna go kidnap and kill a kid. Now, I know that this is not a good segue, but maybe it is because I mean, I don't know if it's just me, I just know that the world's crazy and you guys know recently Well, not even recently I feel so recent because of all of the anxiety still associated with it

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lady. I mean, she wasn't even old, but like a female, they're going to be more inclined to trust a female rather than a guy. So then she would lure that kid into the car and then she would come up with this glove theory. So there was this place called, I want to say, Saddleworth Moore, right? I want to say Saddle Ranch because that's a restaurant in LA, but it's Saddleworth Moore, right? And it was just this national park. It was huge. It was massive. There was a lot of different types of terrain

And they had this one favorite part that they like to go to and it was very very secluded So the plan was that she was gonna get the kid in the car and then be like, hey, can you go help me find my glove? At the more I left it at the more and it's a sentimental glove like I'm gonna You know take you home right after like could you please help me and it was gonna feel like kind of like this Giving get because she's giving them a ride home So they feel obligated to help her find that glove. And so she would drive to saddle, saddle, worth, to saddle worth and then she would get out with the kid and he would have pulled up in the motorcycle. That was your plan to kidnap.

Why are they taking separate cars? Because it's easier to trust a lone female than a couple. Right. I see. And so that was their plan. So she said, okay, so she gets into the van one day Because it's easier to trust a lone female than a couple. Right? I see. And so that was their plan. So she said, OK. So she gets into the van one day and they start looking for victims. Now, the first time that his headlights went off, she kept driving. She didn't want to do it.

And so she pulls over a little bit later and Ian Brady's pissed off. He was like, that was the perfect victim. That's the victim I wanted. Why didn't you stop, right? And she said, that is literally my mom's neighbor's kid. Like that's an eight year old kid. And she was like, he was getting mad. He was like, what does that matter?

Like it doesn't matter. And she was like, no, no, it's too risky. It's too risky. And then she kind of talked him into the fact that, you know, if an eight year old goes missing, it's just gonna be so scandalous. People are gonna be looking for that eight year old, whereas if you pick someone older, it'll be a lot harder,, you know people are gonna say that they ran away, right?

And so he was a little bit upset, but he was like okay, fine that makes a little bit of sense And so he gets back onto his motorcycle she gets back into the van and they start driving now around 7.30 p.m He will flash his headlights and she pulls over the girl that she sees and she knows this person again. This is a girl, a classmate of her younger sister, Marrine. They're in the same grade, I believe, and she was walking to the dance because her parents I told her that she's not allowed to go to this dance, that her school was having because they heard rumors that there was gonna be alcohol snuck into the dance. So you can't go, Pauline, and so she was like, fine, I'm gonna walk there. I'm gonna pretend like I'm not going but she was gonna walk there right? Oh my god. So she was walking by herself and she pulls her over and she's like, oh my god Pauline, like why don't I give you a ride to the dance? Like that's so

dangerous for you to just be walking around and she's like, I'm Marines older sister. So she was like, oh okay great. So she gets into the car and that's when she's kind of like, wait before I take you to the can we just stop by the more real quick Because I lost my glove there and it's so expensive and it was just so sentimental You know my my grandfather gave it to me do mine do mind and it seems like Pauline was picking up something weird Because she was she just asked my run multiple times like are you okay? Doing this right because she just seemed really I run multiple times like, are you okay? Doing this right, because she just seemed really frantic

and just like, you know, didn't know how to handle herself. And so finally, they arrive at Saddleworth more and that's when she's like, wait, what's that guy doing? And it was Ian Brady and she was like, oh, he's just gonna help me look for my glove. Don't worry about it. And so he approaches them. And now this is where we get two different stories.

So my reclaim claims that what happened next was that Ian Brady had dragged Pauline into like a secluded area of the moron. And now Myra's alone so she didn't know what to do. So she just went back into the van. And so she's sitting and she's waiting. And then finally, Ian comes back and is like, you wanna see her?

And so she goes with Ian. And she sees that Pauline is laying there with her clothes all disheveled. Like it had been obvious that she was assaulted. Sexually assaulted. She had cuts to her throat a four inch incision on her voice box, which means that you would have to do that with considerable force. That's not even just like slicing someone's throat.

That's like really digging in deep. And the worst part is that parts of her jacket were dug into the incision which doesn't really happen naturally. So police later suspect that it was a form of torture because you have this open wound and to dig like zipper parts into it would hurt it more. So it was you know evidence of torture. And Myra claims that she looked at Ian, her boyfriend, and said, Did you rape her? And he responded, of course I did. And so they dug a shallow grave, and they filled the grave in,

and they buried Pauline there. Now, Ian Brady, on the other hand, will say that Myra participated in the sexual assault and watched him kill her and strangle her and slice her throat afterwards. So he even said that she Myra was rageful after the sexual assault that she even wanted to take souvenirs like her locket and stuff which he didn't want because he wanted to commit the perfect murder. He didn't want to be a serial killer and take home shit that would tie them together. And so he said that he had to take my rough of Pauline's body because she was in like this fit of rage.

So who can we trust? I would say maybe a little more my rough, but I'm not saying I take my rough side, but even the judge later will say something very interesting about my rough. Like the judge will later say that with Ian, they feel that Ian will have no remorse or reform. Like no amount of therapy counseling, anything will get him to be a, I guess, quote, normal person. Whereas Myra, other than being a big fat liar and a worse, they think that she's maybe not as evil as him, but still evil. Interesting. And so they tortured her while she was dying. It was very obvious. And they later just dug her in a grave. They

put the bike in the back of the van and they drove home. That was their perfect murder. Perfect murder. And there was this huge search party that then concluded because Pauline, she was not the type of kid that would run away. Like I guess that they had suspected because she's like 16, they were like, oh my god, this is gonna be amazing, right? But she just wasn't that kid. So people were searching for her, they cleaned the van, they caught up their clothes that they were wearing that day, just in case Pauline's blood was on them, and then they watched it burn while they drank wine and talked about it, about the murder.

So you get this idea that this is a really big, almost like a relationship bonding moments for them. They're not really necessarily talking about the sexual assault. They're not necessarily talking about how they're excited to do it again. It's almost like when you come back from a really nice date that you go on and you're like, oh that was a really good date today, right? That's kind of the vibe that was happening. And so that carried on for a couple of days up until again, the accounts are a little bit different, but one of them had stolen about nine pounds from Pauline's pocket. And I don't know why

they just got really mad at each other. They were like, that's not how we're doing it. Like the motive is not money. Like if we start taking shit, like we're gonna get caught. This isn't the perfect thing. You know, why do you have the locket? So it did, it does seem like someone had taken the locket from the crime scene so they actually went back afterwards to bury the locket in the ground yeah did that was that a bad move for them? no and because it wasn't the god complex for Ian was just getting insane after the first murder. He was like, see, I am super human. I could do something that even this book that praises these two dudes from the 20s from the University of Chicago, you got this guy who went to Harvard Law School or was about to go to Harvard Law School

and he couldn't even get away with murder. But I'm getting away with murder. Like, are you kidding me? He genuinely felt like he was like this crazy amazing God. And that's when it starts getting weirder. So there was this cop who had actually pulled over Myra while she was driving the van because there was some like the whole thing wasn't legal per se. Like maybe it wasn't registered under her name or something like that. It was a little bit weird. So she wasn't getting pulled over that had anything to do with Pauline.

It was literally specifically for the driving of her vehicle. So then he takes a liking to Mira, the cop, is just kinda like, ooh, Mira's kinda pretty. So he's like, you know what, I'm actually interested in buying this van. Like, do you mind if I buy it off of you, but I obviously can't give you any money right now

because I'm on the job, but what if I take you for drinks afterwards? And so she was like, let me think about it. So she goes home and she tells Ian Brady all of this and he's just having a hoot. He's just laughing. He's like, oh my God, like this cop thinks, oh my God, that's so funny, right?

And so he's like, go, go, go. So she goes and she has drinks with the cop. And he just says, you know, there's something about you. I think you'd be really good for the police force. Tomaira. And so he's like, I love to give a recommendation and you could start training soon. And so she sells the van to him, I believe,

and they get a new car or something. And Ian Brady is just loving it so much. He's like, now we're gonna have someone on the inside. And on top of that, can you believe it? A police officer wants to buy a car that I murdered someone with? Yeah, amazing like he's just having a hoot like he thinks is the best thing ever But what he didn't know was that during her police academy trainings Myro is having an affair with that cop

Wait, oh, so myro actually started to like that cop and he has no clue. No clue. So she's doing her normal police academy and she was loving it like a genuinely. And the police doesn't know that she has a boyfriend. Wow, that's a complex relationship. Or that she just murdered someone that they're looking for. Oh my God. Yeah.

And so she, I mean, people say that this could have been a turning point if maybe you know Myra had stayed with that cop instead, but people also believe that Ian Brady's the type that would set everything on fire And then like go tell the cop that myra killed Pauline, right? But um maybe things would have gone different because she was actually doing really well in the academy like like I said She was mediocre and everything, but she was genuinely doing pretty well in the academy by all accounts But she was genuinely doing pretty well in the academy by all accounts So she's loving it and then Ian Brady somehow found out about this toward affair and he freaked out and he beat her up And he banned her from ever seeing the cop from ever like taking any more courses to become a police officer Just everything and it was like a really big turning point allegedly in their relationship where he was just now

More so forcing the relationship. I see. You know, it seems like my Reva is maybe like young and she was like, oh my god, there's so much fresh meat out there, right? But he was just like, no, like if you even think about leaving me, I will literally tell everyone what you've done. And he also had lots of explicit photos of her. Later on, they would even take pictures on you know in the

crime scene areas and stuff. So then their next victim came about six months later and his name was John Kilbride. Now John was a 12-year-old boy and he was a super sweet helpful kid. His favorite thing to do was to go to the local market and they would he would see if there's any like elderly people who would need help bringing their bags to their like vehicle or whatever and he would get like a couple of coins from that, right? So that was his favorite thing. So he decides to go to the market that day to make some money for his family because he came from a not-so-well-off family, and that's when Myra offered him a ride home, and she was like, oh my god, it's getting really late. Like, this sounds about to set your parents are going to be worried, and she also was like, you

know what? And because, you know, you're such a good kid, I can even offer you a bottle of sherry alcohol. And so this 12-year old boy is like, that's kind of cool, right? So he's like, okay, so he gets into the car, and she's driving, and she's all of a sudden like, oh my god, wait a second, I can't believe it. I think I've lost my glove at the more. And so he's like, oh, the more, and she's like, do you mind if we just make a pit stop?

Do you mind if you can help me find it? You're you're you're you're calling you have better eyes than me? Do you mind and so he's like, um, okay? And so they go to the more together and they start walking in the more when all of a sudden a motorbike pulls up and he's like Oh, who's that? And she's like, oh, he's a friend and he's gonna help me. And again, Ian drags him away, assaults this 12 year old boy. And now Ian Brady will say that, my rock actually held down John Kilbryd during this sexual assault, but we don't really know.

Now, Ian did forget his knife, so he ended up strangling John with a shoelace. And they buried him. Now, there was this huge search that came about. I mean, you had 500 missing persons posters that were set up. You had 700 different statements, whether they were witness statements, possible suspect statements. It was a lot.

There was 2,000 volunteers who wanted to look for John Kilbite's body. And Myro was getting so much paranoia from all of this huge searching that even went to the burial site again with a different rented car to check and make sure that it didn't look suspicious. So she went to the mor again and everything looked fine. Now one of the main suspects, well there was two main suspects in John Kilbide's disappearance. One of them being his stepdad and there was really nothing to look at there, right? And then another one being David Smith.

Now David Smith was a classmate of Marbine which is my little sister and for some reason they just felt like he had something to do with it. This is a small town huh? Yeah. Everybody knew everybody. Yeah which we know that he didn't have anything to do with it but David Smith is a name that's going to come up later so keep that in mind. David Smith is going to blow the whole lid off of this this duo. Yeah, and he's also going to be part of the family soon. So then Keith Bennett was their next victim. Now this is June 1964 and he was another 12-year-old boy and he was on his way to grandma's house in Manchester. And so Myra asked him to help load her boxes into her car and then she would drive him to grandma's house. And so he said, okay, now the whole thing happens again with the, oh, I lost my glove.

Oh, then Ian arrives. And then they sexually assaulted him and then strangled him. Now this time they actually took photos of the murder. They took photos of Keith at the time. And this time was a little different because when they got home they didn't celebrate the murder together at all. So the first two they would drink wine, they would make a little fire, burn their clothes, and they would giggle and he-he-ha-ha, but this time they were just kind of tired. So what does that mean? Right? Yeah. So with

this one the suspect was was their stepdad again. And this one was really infuriating for a lot of people because he was brought in for questioning a lot. And it was so much to the point where people didn't understand the wife, the mom of Keith Bennett, she threatened to kill herself and all her other kids unless the police would stop. They were doing a lot.

They were tearing up their garden, their floorboards. They believed that Mr. Bennett had freaking killed his stepson and buried him somewhere in the house. It was just a lot. And you're saying the mother didn't like that? Yeah, because the mother said they never even thought. He literally even took, you know, the stepdad's name now. Like the stepdad genuinely loved him. Like you're only doing that because it's not his biological father. Right, right, right. And so she was really mad, and because they were being investigated, of course, most of the community was kind of staying away from Keith Bennett's stepdad.

They were just like, oh, we don't know what's going on there. Yeah. So then, Maureen gets married. So Maureen's little sister, she became heavily pregnant, so she was seven months pregnant after this murder. And she was pregnant by a guy, you guessed it, David Smith. So he was investigated for John Kilbright's murder, but he impregnated Marrine. And it didn't seem like they necessarily loved each other, but because back in the day, you can't really do that.

They decided to alope. Now none of Marrine's family would go to the wedding, not even Maira. Because they didn't approve the fact that she was seven months pregnant. And finally, after quite some time, both the couples met. So Maureen and David Smith met Ian Brady and Maira, right? So the sisters are like, let's go on a double date.

Now Ian instantly likes David. He felt like David was mature for his age. And David really liked Ian David kind of looked up to Ian. He was like 10 years older. He always dressed so sophisticated He he looked you know fancy. He talked fancy. You know all of David's friends. They talk about bullshit But Ian Brady would talk about society the distribution of wealth You know how the banks work how the banks are ruining everyone. He would talk about all these shit, so he's like, wow, my brother in law is so cool.

And my role was kind of jealous. She was like, wow, Ian really likes this dude. And she was getting really jealous. Now, nobody knows if it's because maybe Ian Brady was bisexual and he had attraction to men and women Right or whether it just had to do with the fact that you know how some girls are like you can't spend time with the boys spend time with me We don't really know which one of that it was right yeah, and it kind of fed into Ian's superiority complex because David would also always be like Wow, yeah, and I didn't know that like that's so cool. Like anyway just kind of following him around like a little lost puppy. Now David himself had a lot of issues. He's had a criminal record since he was young. He

had a little bit of like a identity crisis because he was being raised by his grandma for most of his life. And his grandma, he knew he knew her to be his mom I believe or something like that. No. In the beginning and then then later, he finds out it's his grandma, long story. Right? And so, the way that he found out that his mom is alive, his biological mom is alive. So when he got older, his grandma told him that his mom died, and that's why his mom never visits him. Because he's dead.

That's why. And that makes sense, you know. But then one day his schoolmates were like, wait, why are you getting free school meals? Like you're on the free school meal program, which is weird because aren't you and your grandma doing okay? Like are you guys having financial issues? You know, why are you on the free school meals program?

And he was like, wait, why am I on the free school meals program? Right? And so we went home and he asked his grandma and it's because his mom is alive and his mom was under a certain income range. Okay. So that's why he got on the free school meals plan. I mean, it's really confusing, but the way he found out wasn't anyone sitting him down and being truthful. It was literally him fighting out at school that he was on like a free lunch program and then came home and asked his grandma and his grandma

I was like your mom's not dead. She's just poor and not visiting you And so yeah, that started like a lot of crime in David's life I'm laughing because I that was like the shittiest explanation. I've ever given it in my entire life But um, yeah, it's really sad. Okay, So he was just, he had a criminal record too. Keep that in mind. Now, during this time, they would move once, because there was like this post-war slum clearance. So they moved houses.

There was this new neighbor. She was 11 years old. Her name was Patricia Hodges. And they befriended her. Just a lot. It was weird. I mean, it's really unhealthy to be just a older couple and your best friends and 11 year old kid. That's not your niece, right? And so this was like her BFF.

Myra would always hang out with Patricia would take her around. And now Patricia, the only reason she was never assaulted or murdered by the couple was because she lived nearby and it would just lead them to them, right? So she was just always known the couple to be like kind of sweet She would always bring Patricia to the more one time one time my rub brought Patricia Hodges to a very specific spot in the more And she asked why and she said I just like the soil here and she grabbed some soil from the more and brought it back and Started gardening with that soil I've had some soil from the moor and brought it back and started gardening with that soil. So people think that's psychologically so strange because it's almost like taking soil from your victim's grave site to then plant fucking flowers in.

What does that even mean? Yeah, yeah. Now, December 1964, there was this little fun fair going around, okay? And that's when they saw Leslie Downey. And she was a ten-year year old girl who was alone, it seemed, at the little area, and they pretend to drop their shopping bags. The couple, Myron Ian, they drop their shopping bags

and they're like, oh my god, let me pick this up. And, you know, Leslie being the nice well-mannered 10 year old, she comes over and just helps these strangers pick up their bags. And she's like, really proud of herself. And then My wife was like, do mind if you help me take it to the car. I can pay you for your time. And so she's like, okay.

So she helps them bring it to the car. And she's like, do mind helping me bring it into my house. I can pay you for it. And she's like, okay. So she goes home with them. And this time is a little bit different because Ian was getting sick. He felt like he wasn't as excited for the murders at the

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suggestive pictures, child pornography, essentially. And then they proceeded to assault her, and then strangled her with a string. Now this time they did something a little bit different, though. They recorded 16 minutes, an audio recording, which would later be played in court. 16 minutes, an audio recording, which would later be played in court. And this one was really nasty because this happened around Christmas, so there was Christmas music playing in the background while little Leslie was begging for her life, asking for her mommy, and they would say things like, shut up, we're just trying to get pictures. And they would, you know, do all these weird things and they would try to make her pose exactly the way that they wanted it.

And they would say things like put your arm down or I'll slit your throat. At first, they were like, you know, we're not gonna, we're not gonna murder you. We're just trying to get pictures and she was crying and she was screaming and she was just begging for her life. And then eventually they did strangle her

with an electrical cord. Now what's very interesting is that again, we've got two separate stories. So Mira says that she went to go fill a bath. You know he said you know I want to give Leslie a bath. So why don't you go run some water? So she went to go allegedly run some water and when she came back Leslie was dead. That was her story. Now Ian on the other hand said that Mira killed her. That Mira was upset for some reason and was in a fit of rage and she grabbed the electrical cord and strangled Leslie Downey. We don't really know which one's the truth.

Now later they would wash her body and then bring her to the more where they buried everybody else and they would also bury her with the rest of their victims. She was buried completely naked with clothes down at her feet and it was a very, very shallow grave. Now, there was a huge search that resulted in the disappearance of Leslie Downey, but she was never found, obviously. And this was around the time that, you know, he just decided, I don't really like killing people. It's just not that fun. You know, when I, when there was so much risk of getting caught when I was like, oh my god, am I going to get away with murder? It was so exciting. It was like this thing that we do as a couple, but now I'm just bored and I'm not

really getting anything out of it. I should do things that I benefit from. I should rob banks or something. I should become a thief. Like what am I doing? Like am I really getting something out of this? Like he was just like I'm not gonna kill any more people. So around that time that's when David Smith started coming over a lot. So there was a lot going on with David Smith. They had lost their kid, like something happened to their kid with my Reen. And so he was going through a lot too. So he would just come over to Ian and Maira's all the time. And they would just read books.

They would read books about murder, about robberies. And he... Maira was just kind of getting upset. She just didn't like this relationship. And she would say to some people, she didn't like it because she was jealous because she really likes Ian. And then to some people, she would say that it was just too risky. Like it was just gonna get them caught

because Ian was opening up too much to David. And so David would even try planning bank robberies for them together. They'd be like, okay, we're gonna study everything about this bank. They would write about a bunch of notebooks about the bank, what time, what employees work wear, and how to get into the vaults and all of these things, right?

And that's when Ian was like, you know what? You're kind of cool. Why don't we do something different from bank robberies? I mean, I've done a lot. You know what I've done, right? And he's like, no, when he's like, I've raped people and I've murdered people. And David's like, okay, sure. And he's like, what do you mean? What do you mean, okay, sure. He's like,

okay, let's just focus on this bank. No, I've killed people before. So his stupid ego is coming in? Okay, sure. So he's like, are you kidding? I even have proof in a suitcase that I've hidden away from the house. And inside the suitcase, I can prove to you that I've killed people. You know, when I took you to the mor, like a year ago, I've, you were literally standing on a gravesite.

I've killed people. You don't understand. I've killed people. And David understand I've killed people and David is like okay sure and so he's kind of upset by this so Ian's like what the fuck why does he believe me oh my god I'm getting so mad right so he decides to go to Manchester Railway Station which he just had a thing for railways right and inside of this railway station he had always kind of like left a suitcase that you can log it in with people. So he would get a little ticket for it. And it was a suitcase,

two suitcases actually filled with stuff. I mean, it was filled with like knives that was used to kill people. It was filled with pictures, there are listed pictures, you know, other little small things. And all about like it had all the proof about the murders if there was any to be found it was there and so people think that he went there for the purpose of grabbing those suitcases so that he could bring it to David Smith and be like like I told you I could kill people right yeah but around that same time he met Edward Evans who was a 17 year old he was in a prentance engineer and there's a rumor that they actually knew each other because they've frequented a gay bar together, but I'm not too sure about that one. So Edward Evans was on his home, on his way home,

from a football game that he had attended alone. And that's when he runs into Ian. So Ian's like, oh my gosh, this is perfect. Instead of showing him the suitcases, I'm gonna literally show him the person I'm about to murder. So this is good. So he decides to just lure Edward Evans into his house on the prospect of just drinking

some beer together, right? And he gets into the car. Now, Maira was waiting in the car. And immediately when he gets there, he says, oh, meet Maira, this is my sister. So she's like, yeah, my sister. So they get into the car, they drive home, which by the way, is grandma's home.

And grandma is home this time. and they start drinking some wine together And that's when Ian is like hey, myra go get David, right? And she said that she was immediately annoyed by this because she knew what was about to happen And she felt like this was compromising her freedom and so she gets David now around this time It's 11 p.m. and everyone's practically asleep So she's like I need a good reason to knock on the door because my sister's gonna be like, why do you need my husband at 11 p.m., right? So she knocked on the door, her sister woke up and is like,

my route, like, what are you doing here? And she's like, grandma says she can't see you for the next couple of days because she's feeling sick, but you can come over next week. She's like, what? That's so random. Like, you really needed to wake me up at this time. And she's like, yeah, you know how old people are. Grandma told me to tell you.

Anyway, can you have David walk me back home because I ran into some people. It's scary out there. And so, my mom's like, OK, David, can you walk my sister home? So they're walking home together. And this is where the story gets weird. So the whole couple, Myra and Ian, they claim that David Smith knew why he was coming over and they said that David was excited about murdering

someone for the first time. So they're making it sound like David was like, it's finally the time that we're gonna murder people. Ooh, yeah, let me go, right? Whereas David has a completely different story. So I'm gonna tell you David's story, right? Cause it's a little bit longer. So he gets outside, he walks Myra to her house, and Myra says, oh, hold on outside.

I'm going to go grab a bottle of wine for you to take home for my sister, right? She's been talking about this wine. And so he's waiting outside the house. When all of a sudden, he hears this like blood piercing scream. So he rushes inside, and he sees Ian holding a hatchet over a dude and he just watches him drop the hatchet onto his skull multiple times and then Ian throws the hatchet to the side and then strangles Edward to death. What the f**k? And he said it just made him feel so sick. Now at that point he's like oh my god they're serious right? So what he decided to do was just go along with it because he doesn't want to be the next victim right now

And it's like the middle of the night. Uh-huh, and so he's like, oh my god. Oh my god Oh my god. Now during all of this of the hatchet killing and the strangling Ian had sprained his ankle So he's like, fuck I can't walk on this ankle. It hurts a lot And so they're like, what do we do? What do we do? Like Edward was too heavy for David Smith to carry to the car on his own Because they're trying to bury him at the more right and it would need two dudes to carry him because he's 17 and he's a little butt right so they're like fuck fuck fuck what do we do what do we do and now this is when David said that my rat was just so excited she didn't even care about any of that he says that she was like did you hear did you hear the noise in his head at the floor? Oh my god, did you see the fear in his eyes?

Like, she was talking like that. I mean, she claims that never happened, but weird. And so then that's when Ian and my rat are like, hey David, go to the kitchen and get some paper towels and they started cleaning the blood off the walls. And he said that my rat was just casually picking up pieces of like flesh and skull off the ground while just like casually talking about like, oh my god, like that was so cool.

And he was like, what the fuck? Grandma's not awakened? No, I believe she woke up briefly and they were like, it's okay grandma, it's nothing. And she like went back to her room. And so then they wrapped Edward's body in plastic and placed him into the spare room that they had like a little key for for and locked him in there. So the new plan was that David was going to come the next day with the baby like a stroller thing and they were going to place Edward's body onto the stroller to move to the car because

you know David can't carry him alone. So he's like okay that's a good idea. So then he goes home, David goes home to go sleep because he can't be suspicious. So he gets home around 3am and his wife, Marine, is like, what the heck? Why that takes so long? Like you were just walking my sister home. And he says, can you make me a cup of tea?

So she goes to make a cup of tea. And before he can even take a sip, he goes to the bathroom and just like, vomit's non-stop. And then he finally sits down and he tells her everything. Now at first, Marine didn't believe it, but he was like listen I'm telling you the truth then she's like okay, then we have to go call the police and he's like well We don't have a landline, you know How do we call the police and we can't go to the closest pay phone because it's too dark out there right now

And I'm scared that they're following me home to make sure nothing's gonna go wrong So they're waiting waiting just staying up all night and finally the sun comes up people are moving around So at 6.10 a.m She grabs a screwdriver He grabs a bread knife and they walk to the local phone box and they call 9.1.1 Holy fuck so the police pick them up They drive them to the station and he tells them everything He's like I think the gravesites are somewhere. I don't know where it is.

I mean, I've been to multiple places. Maybe it's at the more. Maybe it's here. Oh, I think he has some suitcases somewhere. He'd never mentioned where, but he said he has proof in suitcases. I mean, just everything. And so the police are like, holy shit. So they get like just a squadron of police. Now, only one of them approaches the door because when you are talking about ambushing a serial killer, typically, it's not gonna be like a whole team at once, right?

Cause they don't want them to run or anything. So they're just trying to get into the house. So a guy, a police officer, dresses up as a fake bread delivery dude, and he approaches the house and he asks my route if his husband is home. And she says, nope, I don't even have a husband. And he says, okay, if you want to play it that way, I'm a cop.

So let me in. So then he enters the house and he said it was just so weird. Ian was just sitting in the living room and didn't even look up at the cop. Now, by the time that he had already made it inside the police officer, all the other surrounding police were like, go, go, go. So they were kind of like storming inside the house, right? Yeah. And so now there's like lots of police people in his house. Yeah. And he's just not even caring. What? He's just writing a letter to his boss about his ankle injury and why he can't come to work for the next couple of days.

And he won't look up. Now the cops start searching the house and the one room that they can open is the spare room. Now they're like, where's the key to the spare room? And my heart's like, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I left it out work. Maybe it's not work. And the police are like, pretty work. We can take you to work right now while some people stay here.

We can take both of you to work. And then you can go find that key and bring it back. And you're just like, maybe I didn't leave it out work. Maybe I left it out. My sister's house, I don't know, right? And I guess Ian was getting annoyed. And he knew that at the end, they would get that room door open.

So he said, my ridges to open it. So then she opened it and they immediately arrested Ian. Now, Ian tells the police that he got into a fight with Edward and it was kind of self-defense, kind of got out of hand, but it just didn't make sense because Haley's looked at Edward's body. He was stabbed over 14 times and strangled.

That's definitely not a fight that gets out of hand when you're drunk. Right. So it was initially, I mean, it was a shit show. So for like the next five days, my row was completely free. She was not arrested. She begged her boss to fire both her and Ian so that they could get unemployment checks. And that didn't end up working. I mean it was weird. Myra was questioned and she said anything Ian says is the truth okay. And if you want to talk about a murder it's all David Smith. David is

guilty. For some reason she just really hates David still and she wants him to go down for everything. And finally they start searching the house. They find a lot of weird things like they found a book with just John Kilbite's name written over and over and over again in a creepy way. So they were like, Oh my God, he's probably connected to John Kilbite too. And all these other kids that have gone missing, right? It's not just Edward. So they start freaking out. And that's when they're like, okay, we need to talk to David again. And he's like, like I said, there's these suitcases. I don't know where they are. Probably some sort of rail race stations. They, you know, placed it at Manchester Central Railway Station, and they were able to get two suitcases out. That was under their names. And there was a lot in there. There was costumes.

There were photographs of my rather like just explicit photographs. You know, there were just like photographs of her standing on graves, but they don't know that it's graves yet. So it was her standing at the same place in the park every time. And there was one photo where she was holding her dog and looking down at the ground. But it wasn't like an Instagram model way. It was just really weird So they're like, okay, these are weird, right? There was a black wig in there. There were many knives in there. There was the 16-minute audio tape and nine pictures of Leslie in there

And they actually showed it to Leslie's parents for it to be identified. Oh my gosh Leslie's parents to be identified. Oh my gosh. There was a little notebook called guide to murder with a couple tips that they had written down and there were like very strange drawings of fields and like words like stone by the river. So they felt like it was like a marking of a grave site. Stone by the river, you know, it's just weird. Nobody just writes that down. And so they're like, okay, this is really bad. So then they actually get Patricia Hodges, who comes in the 11 year old that they were friends with.

And she had said something about how they always take her to the more. And they said that that's like they have a favorite spot in the more. So they're like, okay, let's start looking. So that's when they start digging and this is gonna take quite some time. Now during that time Ian ends up writing a letter to my Ra and I mean, it's just like the most loving letter ever in the sickest way

He compares them to a famous Nazi couple and he's like, I love you so much You know what we remind me of like this Nazi couple hashtag couple goals relationship goals And then he even writes I love you in German to her in this letter what we remind me of, like this Nazi couple, hashtag couple goals, relationship goals, and then he even writes, I love you in German to her in this letter. And so people suspect it's probably to keep my request because she hasn't been arrested yet, right? And so around that time, they decided, okay,

like we're just gonna arrest her for being an accomplice to murder at first until they digged up Leslie and John. So they still to this day haven't found, they haven't found Pauline, which was their first victim and then Keith Bennett. But they digged up two bodies, so they were like, okay, this is bad. So they arrest her and they were both charged with three counts of first degree murder for Edward, Leslie, and John. Now Ian's whole thing in the beginning was that, oh my God, I didn't kill Leslie. It was just like, like, I was getting commissioned for child porn. I was just getting paid to produce

child porn. And eventually he gave that up when they confronted him with the 16 minute torture tape. And it just was really strange. So the reason that the dog ends up getting murdered is that the police needed to date the photographs. What does that mean? Because the photographs didn't have dates on them in order to get the best evidence they need to date all of the photographs that they took at the more because there's so many. And the one thing that was always in the photographs was the dog. And so they felt like if they could pinpoint how old the dog is now and the stages of how they grow and how they age for that specific dog breed,

then they can pinpoint around what time that those pictures were taken. And so the vet put the dog under general anesthesia to x-ray the teeth to get an estimate on the age of the dog, but the dog never woke up. And the police said that this was the first emotion that Myra ever showed. This was her only emotion really, was when she was crying for the loss of her dog. Now a lot of people in the UK including Myra herself, nobody's siding with Myra, nobody thinks,

oh my god Myra, we love you, right? But a lot of people do suspect that the police were under a lot of pressure and they wanted Maira to confess against Ian Brady and she wasn't. Because that's usually how it goes when there's a duo, right? And so they thought that if they killed her dog, it was like a power play. Like, look, I can kill your dog and I can kill you too. So you better talk. Do you suspect that? Yeah, and they suspect it it because Myra was just singing like a canary about it. Like the police murdered my dog. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that one.

Anyways, so then the trial starts. They played the entire 16-minute torture tape. It was a lot for the jury. It was a lot for even police officers who heard it. They said that they can't even, one of them was interviewed and said that they can't listen to Christmas songs anymore. It was just so horrendous and terrifying, and they're just traumatized. And so David, he was the star witness, he testified for eight hours, and he thought he did a splendid job, but the jury actually said that he was an

arrogant asshole the whole time. Myra Henley, she testified it for six plus hours and she just made excuse after excuse. She was like, oh when he strangled the other kid, I was like looking up the window. I didn't see it so I couldn't have stopped it. Oh when he was killing Leslie, I was drawing a bath so I didn't see it and I couldn't stop it. And everyone's like, you're a little bitch ass voice because you're the one that lured these kids in in the first place. So it doesn't matter if you didn't see the murders, right? And it was such a controversial trial because people were attracted

to the sick, body and Clyde-esque nasty serial killers. They're like, what is wrong with these people? And a lot of the times, I mean, it's the same with true crime. Like, you get attracted to just nasty cases because you just can't comprehend it, right? So the press was all over. During the entire trial, they would have to have decoys. So from the jail, they would put random people walking out

with police with a blanket over their head. And the press would follow that person to a different courthouse. But then the real Ian and Maira would be like next, and they would go to a different one. Like, they then the real Ian and Mira would be like next and they would go to a different one. They would literally just have all these decoys going to different courthouses so that the press wouldn't just flood them nonstop. And the trial ended with Ian Brady being charged with three counts of murder and Mira

Henley with two. Now months before their trial, the death sentence was abolished, so they got life in prison. And the judge said that they are truly horrible, two sadistic killers of the utmost depravity, wicked, beyond belief, and the judge claimed that they saw no reform for Ian. There was no way that he could become a regular functioning human, and for M Maira Maybe out of the influence of Ian Brady Maybe but still she lied remorselously So that's what they said about her now when they were sent to prison they were both attacked a lot Attack by other inmates because I mean they were at the bottom of the totem pole

So when usually you go to prison and your child rapist rapist or a child killer, you're just going to get forked up. I'm not saying that in a happy way. Where am I? I'm getting. Ian was put on solitary confinement for the rest of his life, and he would do hunger strikes. Hunger strikes. The point where he would have to be tube fed. Tube fed because he wanted to see my run. He said if I don't get to see my run

I'm gonna just starve myself and so they would have to tube feed him a lot Which also was so much controversy because everyone in the UK was like you're tube feeding him of our tax dollars Let the fork or die like what are you talking about? Why why am I feeding this dude? Right and then David Smith on the other hand He was offered immunity for his testimony and he received like this newspaper deal for 20,000 pounds. He took a vacation to France with his family with it and people were just absolutely disgusted. Nobody bought his story. Everyone thought that he was just as bad as them because it just was weird. All of it was creepy. And he's also like part of the family twos Which is made it worse, right?

And he would also even get some prison time Not for that crime because he had immunity But there were so many haters who would just follow him around like being like your scum You're a murder. You're just as nasty. You're the most evil vile human and so he would carry around a knife And one day he stabbed the hater he went to jail for three years and that's when Maureen divorced him and then he came out of jail. He got arrested for attempted murder because his dad was terminally ill. He like befriended his dad again. They were on like bad terms but now they're on good terms. And his dad was terminally ill and he was in a lot of suffering so he tried to kill his dad to because his dad asked him to.

It was weird. And then Maureen died at the young age of 35. A lot of people think it's from just everything that happened. Holy shit. Yeah, now Maureen, on the other hand, she was attacked a lot in prison as well, but she was never given solitary confinement. She was always given a personal guard for whatever reason.

And that's when she fell in love with a personal guard. Her name was Patricia. She was a prison guard and they had a relationship. They started a relationship together. And so Patricia, the prison guard, concocted this plan to help her escape prison. But then she was caught because, I mean, you're gonna get caught, right?

And so then Patricia, the prison guard now had to spend six years in prison We're trying to let my rat out and that's when my rat wrote a letter to Ian saying that hey listen I know you love me. I know you're like starving yourself because you want to see me But like I'm having an affair with a prison guard just like F.I And he got so mad that he turned on her and he went to the police and he confessed to the murders of Pauline and Keith Bennett And he even implicated Myra because all of this time I mean he just kind of like sat there and was like we didn't do it We didn't do it, but this time he was like oh by the way

She's the one that killed this person and this person and this person and he just turned on her and now at this point Myra was like well I don't want to go through another trial and I'm already in prison for the rest of my life So she just confessed to them too. She was like, yeah, I killed them and then Because she doesn't get anything worse, right? And so she actually helped lead them to find Pauline's body and Yeah, Keith's body was never found so myra Henley She then proceeded to allegedly have an affair with Rose West Rosemary West

Another prolific serial killer in Britain. Before she died at the age of 60 years old in 2002. Now Ian, he would live a lot longer, he would be 79 when he died from lung disease, and his dying wish was that those suitcases full of evidence would never see the light of day would never be released to the public nothing inside of that would ever be released now the police for whatever freaking reason they obliged and none of that has ever been released and that caused a lot of hurt and anger for Keith's family because they're like what if there's evidence in there we just want his body found Keith Bennett's mom's dying wish was she wants her boy

to come home so that she can give him a proper burial. But she passed before. That could happen. I mean, it still hasn't happened. And that is the story of, I would quite, for some reason, I don't like to compare, but I think it's very interesting that this is actually probably more hated than Fred and Rosemary Why is that? I'm not sure.

More media attention? Yeah, I guess there is like this weird Evilness to it that we don't understand. I think with Fred and Rosemary, there is some weird Powerplay. There's obviously lots of sexual motivations, but for this one, it's like, did they really kill five kids to just prove that they could? Yeah. And that is the story of the Mars murders.

That's why they're known as the Mars murders because most of the victims were buried in the Mars, but yeah. I see. Let me know your thoughts. I mean, is this creepier? Is it creepier to have a serial killer with something maybe you could understand?

Not that we understand these sexual motivations, but maybe we can relate it to things that were like, okay, like, yeah, we've seen a lot of that, but this one's just purely like, I wanna see if I can do it. I will never get back my pure thoughts before learning about 120 days of Sodom. I hope you guys enjoyed this Halloween episode and I will see you guys in November, which

we're going to have a lot darker cases. I don't know what it is, but something when the sun sets early, I like to just explore the dark depths of True Crime. And I'll see you guys probably on Halloween Day. Bye. explore the dark depths of True Crime and I'll see you guys probably on Halloween day. Bye!