Rotten Mango - #216: The Locked House Mystery - Was The Killer Hiding Inside The House?

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

He was the type of psychiatrist that was to get to the bottom of someone’s underlying problem. What was the real reason she thought herself to be the devil’s child? What made her feel like she was so evil she could bring out the darkness in others? And what about those two guys? The ones she was so insistent that they were trying to seduce her? She claimed she just knew they were either going to seduce her or they would all commit some violent crimes together. She seemed scared of her relationship with the two guys. You’re probably hoping the doctor calls the police to report the two men but that would be impossible. Because the two seductive men were her two 4-year-old sons. And soon Sheila would be labeled as a murderer… but what if there really was a man out there to get her? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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in all states or situations, prices vary based on how you buy. Betta Bing Betta Boop Welcome to this week's episode of Run, Mango. I'm your host Stephanie Sue. And Dr. Ferguson was the type of psychiatrist, the type of doctor that didn't like to leave any of the stones unturned. He wanted to get to the root of people's problems. He wanted to figure out why this patient was so obsessed with the idea that she was the

devil. She said, no, I really am the devil. I'm the devil's child, in fact. And inside of me, deep inside my bones is pure evil. And since I'm evil, I easily bring out all the evil in everybody else. And the two guys she just knew that they were trying to seduce her because they could see the evil in her and they were trying to seduce that evil. They wanted to have sex with her.

Or get violent with her, she could feel it and every day she felt terrified. What if she gave in? What if she got swept away? And they all had sex or maybe she joined them to do something really incredibly violent and just gross. She felt disgusted by the whole thing, the idea, it was this unsettling eerie feeling. Dr. Ferguson was trying his best to help, but the delusions, they were getting more real, more vivid.

She kept saying she saw evil in the two guys and that they were trying to seduce her. One of them was even slowly transforming into a woman hater, a potential murderer. I know you're screaming. Why doesn't the therapist call the police these men are out to get her? Or maybe you're screaming, this is a cry for help,

get her the help that she needs. The problem was, the two guys that she was talking about were her very own four year old sons. And Sheila would soon be labeled, at least briefly, as a murder. Everyone would blame her mental health on a quadruple murder that was one of the most insane true crime cases in all of the United Kingdom. But we know that it's never what it seems.

What if there was someone else out there? A different man. That was out together. As always, full show notes are available at ronminglepodcast.com, but there is an incredible book on this case called The Murders at White House Farm by Carol Anne Lee. The author reached out to Jeremy. They wrote, Jeremy is very important in this, you'll see, but they wrote to each other for a little while. He actually offered to fact check the book before it was published. The author kindly denied his request, you'll see why. Anyway, the author went on to interview a ton of pathologists, psychiatrist, former police officers.

They went through thousands of unpublished documents, witness statements, police records, court documents, personal letters, notebooks, memoirs, I mean everything that they could be found, they found it and they went through it. So with that being said, I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible because honestly, there are so many mind-boggling aspects of this case, like the fact that the police destroyed all of the evidence, straight up lit it up into flames, burned it in a fire. No, there was not a fire at the evidence storage room. They willingly went out of their way to burn all of the evidence. And not only that, but the whole case

has a whole bunch of misinformation out there. Like a mysterious electrician that claimed he went to the house days before the murder and saw something strange. And then that electrician just vanished later on. So there's that. There's honestly so many weird things happening in this case. So buckle up. Let's get started

Now this is one of the biggest true crime cases in all of the UK and it still is because the mystery the conspiracy is the confusion behind the case I mean police officers literally burned the evidence. It's just it's weird and there is this infamous crime scene photo That was seen by so many people two young boys shot in their bedroom One of them was still sucking his thumb. That's how little and how innocent they were. They were killed in this vulnerable state. And next to the boys carved into the cupboard of the room, like into the into the dresser, right? Were the words, I hate this place. So what the hell happened? And if you just change the perspective of this case, you get a completely

different story each time. Because they say, you know, stories are all about perspective. It's in the details, the small details. It's going to make you feel one way or another about someone or the killer or who you think is the killer. So bear with me because I'm going to run you through the most popular perspectives. The case revolves around a family, the Bamber parents, June and Neville. These are grandparents., the Bamber parents, June and Neville. These are grandparents, so the Bamber parents, their older, think sweet grandma and grandpa. They have two adopted children, Sheila and Jeremy, and these two, I mean depending on who you ask, one of them killed everybody. Yeah, so one of them is a victim, one of them killed everybody.

But we don't know who? Depends on who you ask. The justice system definitely says one thing. I have my own opinion as well. But uh yeah it's weird. Both of them were adopted and one of them killed the whole family. Now let's start with Sheila. A lot of people say she's the one that did it. She lost her mind. She went bonkers. She went cuckoo. That's what they say. That's not what I'm saying. That's what they say. She wasn't being herself. She's been having mental health problems for a cut years now. She just snapped. She wasn't being herself. She's been having mental health problems for a cut years now. She just snapped. She had two kids, twins, you know, young boys.

Her husband, the father of her child, left her, cheated on her while she was pregnant. She never got along with her own adopted mom. I mean, she was just a strange, strange kid. So the story goes like this. Sheila's ex-husband, the father of her children, had picked her and the kids up to drive them to Sheila's parents' house, called White House Farms. So June and Neville, the Bamberg grandparents, they live on White House Farms. That's where Sheila grew up.

This is this massive farm. Now, if you're thinking like a Robert Picton type of farm, that's not the type of farm. It's not a desolate farm. It's a beautiful, isolated farm that's a money machine. Yeah. It's not a desolate farm. It's a beautiful isolated farm that's a money machine. Yeah, it's a money cow. Yeah, I mean, they have a very successful business on that farm. It's literally a farm. So they have workers that live on the farm. They've got a business manager. They've got all of these different employees. Now, the car ride

to this farm from London was two and a half hours. Sheila allegedly never spoke a single word during the whole car ride. So her ex-husband is driving. She's in the passenger seat, the two kids are in the back. She's smiling and content, but she's very quiet. She's not saying anything. Maybe she's just preparing for the week long stay at the farm. It wasn't gonna be sunshine and rainbows.

I'll tell you that. Well, you say ex-husband, are they divorced or are they still together at that point? Oh, yeah, they're divorced, yeah. Oh, okay. But they're still deciding to spend a weekend together. Oh, no, he's just dropping her off because she can't drive.

Oh, I am. So it's like two and a half hours with these two young kids, you know, it's very hard to take public transportation. So he's dropping her off. And everybody in that car is a little bit tense. This was not a fun vacation for anybody. The kids, the grandsons, she-less kids, they don't like grandma. They're scared of grandma. They're like, we don't want to go to White House farms. We freaking hate grandma. She always makes us kneel on the ground and pray

and like, we're over it. They keep telling the parents, we don't want to go to the farm, we don't want to go to the farm, but they don't really have a choice. So the dad, Colin, is trying to reassure them and he glances at Sheila thinking okay now is your time to come in and back me up, but Sheila seems unresponsive. She's just staring at the road ahead and for some reason it gave Colin at just a not an is stomach. But what could he do? When they get to the farm he helped the kids on mode. They ran up to him hugging him extra, almost like they didn't want him to leave. But he had to.

There was no reason for him to stay. They weren't even his in-laws anymore, you know? So he reluctantly said goodbye and headed off. That would be the last time that he ever saw her. All of them would be dead. Both the children, Sheila, and both of Sheila's adoptive parents would be dead. The theory was that during that week Sheila snapped. She lost it.

She shot her parents, then her kids, and then she turned the gun on herself. So why would it be Sheila? The day of the murders, workers recalled Sheila acting very strangely. One of them said, Sheila was playing with them, sure. Like she was hanging out with her kids, but she was running up and down the hills like a zombie. It was weird. Imagine was running up and down the hills like a zombie. It was weird. Imagine yourself running up and down the hills.

Your arms would be flailing, your head would be turning, your hair would be swishing. Her whole body was rigid. The only part of her entire body that moved while she ran was under her knees. She was completely still the rest of her body. She didn't even turn her head from left to right. She, her arms were just right by her side.

She was just running around. She didn't talk. She just from left to right, she, her arms were just right by her side. She was just running around. She didn't talk. She just ran around her kids in silence, moving nothing but her shins. It was weird. Another worker said that she was walking stiffly like a zombie in a horror movie. Now previously, before the murders,

she did write a letter to her ex-husband. And this was when she was in Japan. The letter read, I really think that I should go to a psychiatrist when I get back. I've never felt so confused and unable to control my brain before. It's almost as if I'm schizophrenic or something. I just feel so sick of people and I feel stale. She mentioned feeling this evil aura exuding out of herself that made people stay away

from her. They were repelled by her energy, repulsed by her evil spirit, and it made her feel so overwhelmingly alone. She was having these dark thoughts, and maybe she felt like she was protecting her kids, because drawings were discovered of White House farms that the boys had drawn, and it looks straight out of a horror movie.

The farm has this thick smoke just billowing out of the chimney, and the sun is seemingly bleeding. The sun is bleeding. There's cryptic numbers all over the drawing. There's this injured animal fleeing from the house and people parachuting away brandishing guns and below there's just a disembodied head with red gushing from the neck. In another picture shows an old female figure.

In her bed with her teeth showing almost in like a growl, and her eyes are narrowed, and her hands are replaced by jagged saws, and the lower half of her face is covered with a mask, and red spurts violently from her head and her chest. In another picture, that same person is naked except for an Easter bonnet and red shoes, and her hair is a mess, and there's holes where her eyes should be. She's holding four leashes with these ginormous creatures attached and it is such a terrifying drawing. So maybe Sheila felt like she had to protect her children from her parents. Because why were the kids so scared of grandma?

That's what people who believed in was Sheila. That's what they would tell you. These are the reasons it had to be Sheila. Now, if it wasn't Sheila, what if it was someone else? Like maybe her adopted brother? So let's pretend Jeremy is the real killer. Jeremy had always been the suspicious one. Let's be real.

He lived a couple minutes away from the Bambers White House farms. He was a real troublemaker this guy. Never worked a day in his life unless he wanted something from his parents. He always had to plan up his sleeve. He was the one that called the police to the house, which if you know, you know, is kind of suspicious. And while waiting with the police outside the house, nobody, allegedly, nobody had any idea that there were five dead bodies outside the house that they're standing in front of. And still, I mean, it's still a high-stake situation, right?

Jeremy called the police being like, hey, I think my sister is holding my whole family hostage with a gun. They get there, they're waiting outside, it's a hostage situation, it's a tense situation, and Jeremy is just out there goofing around with the police. He even talked about how he was probably going to get a Porsche by the end of the year. While his whole family, including his tiny little nephews, were being held at gunpoint inside the house. He's talking about room-brooming around in a Porsche. And when he found out that his whole family was dead, his parents, his sister, his who nephews, he did a very odd thing. Instead of wanting to go into the house to

save us as many memories as he could, I mean it wouldn't that be the first thing that you want to do, you want to go into the house, you want to get as many valuables, as many sentimental things, the pictures of you, the photo albums of your whole family, all of that. He said, no, police, I have a request. Anything that's blood stained, I want you to take it out into the yard and light that shit on fire.

I'm talking to anything. Carpets, furniture, personal items, anything that has a speck of blood, burn it, regardless of how sentimental it could have been. But isn't that evidence? Yeah, the police shockingly did it. They essentially said fire to all of the evidence. Even Jeremy's own cousins would say this about him. Oh God, he was a spoiled little brat. I mean, he would soak for ages and march off alone if he didn't get his way. He was growing up to be

quite the nasty piece of work if I'm gonna be honest with you. For any time I wanted him to do something. If he didn't want it, he would just tell me, well you're just an employee. You can't tell me what to do. The cousins? Yeah, because the family worked for the Bambar parents and he would literally treat them like employees, not like they were family. Wow, so very entitled. Entitled, braddy, gross. Another cousin said, you think that's bad? You should have seen what he did to the animals. He abused animals.

He would throw stones at the chickens. He would hit the rest of the farm animals with sticks. Oh my god, he loved it. Meanwhile, Sheila would shriek and cry bagging him to stop hurting the animals, but that only agdied him on more. He felt like it was two birds' one stone. He was getting a reaction out of her and it motivated him. He used to be so cruel to the animals and he found a light in leaving she-lin tears.

What about she, let you ask? The cousins reported her as being a very timid, pleasant, a very nice girl, more sociable, more sweet than Jeremy. She got along with everybody. She thrived off building bonds with family members and the likes. She did constantly urine for attention and approval, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's a killer, right? Meanwhile, family members said, no, Jeremy was the real troublemaker. Any time he got a little bit moody, he would just withdraw, he was more rude, he was arrogant as he's getting older.

And shortly before the murder, Jeremy had a very traumatic incident, and it led him to hate his parents even more. So right before the murders, Prince Harry was born. Yeah, Prince Harry, the one that we know from the Royal Family, Meghan Markle's husband, your Prince Harry was born and you're like, what on earth are you saying? How does this have anything to do with anything? Well, the news was all over the world. And at this point, Jeremy knew his biological dad. His parents had told him, this is your biological dad. He was a senior staff member at Buckingham Palace. I thought he said he's he's been scary. Okay. No, and he saw pictures of him at the formal

proclamation of Prince Harry's birth. He was there chatting up with royalists and the press rubbing shoulders with royal family elite And that just made Jeremy so pissed off. He felt like that could have been my freaking life I could have been rubbing elbows with royal family. I could have been having a better time than being a frickin farmer for God's sake I wish I was never adopted and for some reason Instead of blaming his biological parents for quote giving him up, he blamed the bambers for adopting him. Which I don't know, okay, I get it, adoption is a complex rollercoaster of emotions, but that's just not really fair. Jeremy felt like he was getting the short end of the stick, he felt resentful that he

couldn't live this cooler life. He felt like his adoptive parents were treating his adoptive sister better than they were treating him. Like he was the type to nickel and dime how much they would give Sheila versus how much they would give him. Jeremy would later deny this, but it's just food for thought. So who do you think didn't? Just based on these two short stories, just based on these two perspectives. I mean, I don't know, it's hard to say. Okay, well let's dive in to the deep dive. Let's dive into the deep dive. She said

So intelligent Okay, like I said White House farms is no ordinary tiny little farm It is not a cute little house with a few acres of land. It is a behemoth property It spans over 300 acres in Darcy Essex and it has just been a place that's been Shrouded in tragedy. A former property owner named Benjamin Page committed suicide on the property by consuming spoonfuls of poison. The land was then passed down to his two sons, Frank and Hugh. They were great for a while, but then Hugh passed away and Frank just lost it. He couldn't

handle it anymore. All that loss and all this grief and his body was found in the water tank. The sad part is he didn't die of drowning. He died of heart failure. So that meant that he was attempting to drown himself over and over again and it wasn't working in his heart failed. It seemed like the Page family didn't really have anyone to pass the farm down to. And so one of the managers of the farm. Yeah, this is a full working farm.

I'm talking managers, accountants, workers, a lot of farmers, a lot of people. It's definitely a business. It's isolated, but not desolate. This is a property that's bustling with life. There's this huge home in the middle of the property. And within a few hundred yards, it's surrounded by cottages that the farm workers lived in.

Now, the manager, Leslie and his wife, Mabel, they both came from wealthy families. So they just like, you know what? We know the ins and outs of this land. We run the business, we should just buy it. It'll be a great investment. So they took over the land, as well as five other farming estates, and they got all their family members involved.

Now, this is the part that is interesting because this family really did not have a traditional family unit, but it worked. The couple didn't have kids. They adopted their nieces because Mabel's sister died shortly after giving birth. So they had these two girls, and they're being raised on the farm, and at a very young age, they go on to have kids of their own, Pamela and June. But instead of treating them like grandkids, the couple adopted these two new girls as their

own. So all four of them grew up calling each other sisters when in reality it was mother and daughter. Okay, wow. Yeah, honestly I think it would trip me out of it, but hey, if it works for them it works. Now June is the important one in the story. She was named June because she was born in June and she just kind of had the dream life, you know, she lived on this huge farming estate. She went to church on the weekends, private school on the weekdays There was literally nothing in life that June could want and couldn't get

She got along well with her sisters even though they weren't her sisters One of them was her aunt and the other one was her mom, but you get it She got along really well with them and it was a very non-traditional family with very traditional values because they were crazy religious and then after graduating June joins the World War II efforts, and this is really cool. She was enlisted by the Special Operations Unit. Essentially, they were like, hey, June, do you want to be a spy? So she had to learn intensive wireless and security training,

and I'm like, wireless what? Like, Wi-Fi. She had to learn how to parachute and jump out of fast flying planes and her biggest skill learned with the ability to quote, look natural and ordinary while doing something completely unnatural and extraordinary. What does that mean? I don't know, but she had to learn it with a whole course. Don't look sus.

Don't look sus. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. So there's training for it, and June is killing it. She was even deployed to India to serve. at bad bitch vibes all around and as much as she loved her sexy life as a spy I mean, it's exciting what beats the adrenaline rush of espionage But June is like no my real dream is to be a wife and a mom So she meets Ralph Neville Bamber who just goes by Neville They had a lot in common. They were both rich.

They were both smart. He even went to the same school as Isaac Newton. Yeah, Isaac Newton, the one that created calculus, basically universal gravity. Thanks a lot, frickin' Isaac Newton. I almost failed calculus, but you get it. He was a very smart guy. And the two of them, they were playing tennis

with their friends, and June and Neville get matched together for a doubles game. If this is not old money vibes, I don't even know what is. They get matched for a doubles game, and they just hit it off. They're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, about, I mean it was bound to be instant attraction. Neville was this handsome jokester.

Everybody loved to be around him. June was attractive, well-mannered. You know, everybody loved that she was religious and active in the community. So they get married. They move into White House farms that they inherited from June's parents, and they're constantly laying in bed talking about their future. How to expand their business. What they can do to differently make it better.

But also, how cute it'd be to see all their kids running around, milking some to god damn cows. Maybe they'll have a son. Maybe he'll grow up to take care of the farm. Oh, his childhood would be so wholesome. Or a daughter. Oh my god, we can teach them how to live off the land. And with all these hopes and dreams, and every month, June would be disappointed

when she got her period. This would happen every month for the next six years. And at this point, June feels completely shattered and empty. She wanted to have kids more than anything in her life, even before getting married. Her life goal was to be a mom. Being a wife was just step one of that. Her house felt extra lonely. I mean she

had spent so many nights imagining these little babies running around and now is just silent. Everything felt pointless. June suffered a mental breakdown and was hospitalized for severe depression. And while she was there, she had an operation to remove an avarian cyst and she was told that she was infertile without a shadow of doubt. I mean, can you just imagine it literally ripped her apart. She was crushed. The little bit of hope, the little bit of what if, what if it's this month? That was the only thing keeping her going and now even that was gone. She felt like life had just run her over with a pickup truck.

Also infertility is super stigmatized. I mean, it still is today, but even more so in the past. So at this point, the bambres were like, you know what? Let's stop doing this. We don't have to tell people about what's going on. We don't have to talk about it. We don't have to worry about it. Let's just adopt.

So they go to one of the biggest adoption agencies in Britain, and they're like, you need to find the perfect baby for us. And they did. A baby girl named Phyllis Webb. And the bambres were like, we don't like that name. She's Sheila Bambar now. Joon thought, okay, this is great. This is perfect.

I mean, life is gonna be smooth sailing from now on because this is everything that I wanted, right? But it was the opposite. Joon and two-year-old Sheila did not have an instant connection. And that really messed with Joon. Did you know that's actually somewhat common with mothers who adopt children after suffering from infertility? They experience intense sadness when they actually get to adopt a child.

Apparently, it just intensifies the grief for a period of time, and a lot of the time's adoption processes are not seamless. It's not this beautiful process, it's stressful, you can feel pressured to form a bond with your child. And it was just really rough, and it seems like June would never be able to get rid of her depression. She would always keep going to get treated for it. Something to note,

June did not have clinical depression. It wasn't just depression she was dealing with. She was dealing with psychotic depression, which means she has depression, but there's this underlying mental illness that sometimes blurs the lines for June between reality and delusions. It's not stated in the book,

at least not bluntly, but it sounds like June had skit-so-effective disorder, depressive type, which is characterized as both psychotic and depressive symptoms occurring at the same time during an episode. So she starts getting electro shock therapy. And all of this, I mean, you think you're gonna find this on a farm?

No, she has to travel to London multiple times a week. I mean, she is nowhere near baby Sheila. She had to get a naony. She's trying to work on her mental health. She has tensions with her husband because Neville, I mean, don't get me wrong. He was a really good husband. He was a really good person, but he was so traditional. He was so traditional. He's the type of husband that's, would say, a wise place is right next to her husband. Mm-hmm. Yikes. Family members said that June never even referred to Neville by name and always called him my husband,

which like me. OK, but for privacy reasons, you know, this was just straight up she never called him by his name. I don't know if that means anything, but Family members thought it was interesting. And before anyone gets the idea, Neville was not abusive. He was a pretty good husband in other aspects.

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So June and Neville are like, okay, well something's not working. You're so depressed. Maybe another baby will fix your depression. So let's do it. They apply to adopt a second baby. He was born Jeremy Paul Marsham and he was given up for adoption because his father was a higher up in the royal army and he was having an affair with a much younger woman and they had Jeremy together and he's like, oh no, you got to get rid of that baby I cannot I cannot be doing this with you. So they put the baby up for adoption and the irony of this whole thing is that almost a year later

This man divorces his wife and marries the younger woman and they go on to have a bunch of kids together. So not once did they ever think to reclaim Jeremy. And I'm not saying that they should have or I would have. I'm just saying they didn't have the yearning in Jeremy knew. So they just start this new family and move on. Meanwhile, Jeremy has been seemingly forgotten. And yeah, Jeremy would find out and it would mess with him. I mean, how could it not?

Like imagine your parents went on to have more kids literally a year later, not even 10 years later, not even 20 years, but a year later. But you, they were like, you know what, not that one. Let's just give that one away. So Jeremy's alone. And the Bambers scoop him up, and he's integrated into their family. And growing up, both the kids were exactly the type of kids

you would imagine the members would have. They were friendly, well-mannered, playful, very polite. Jeremy said his childhood was fantastic. He said, Mom was always home. There was always food and drinks. It was just wholesome. Sheila didn't really agree. Sheila felt like her parents loved Jeremy more.

She would even later tell her friend that her parents gave her everything but physical love. And you could tell? Does that sound bad? But psychologically speaking, a lot of people could see it in Sheila. She was super physically affectionate. Touch was her love language. She wanted to hug and touch every single person that she ever talked to.

Her future husband would even say, she let seem starved for attention. So maybe she was neglected by her parents, or at least she sure felt that way. Maybe it was the fact that Sheila spent a lot more time with a nanny than Jeremy did, and you just could tell, Sheila was so protective of love from her parents. If the whole extended family was over, so all the cousins around Sheila and Jeremy's age would come over. And if the Bambra parents were like, hey kids, do you guys want some popsicles? And they start handing out the popsicles. If another kid got handed a popsicle first,

Sheila would take it personally. She felt like that. Her parents were favoring this random ass cousin, and she would get upset. She would throw fit. She knew that she was adopted, right, from the... Yeah, so they find out when they're seven years old. The bambers sit them down,

and they just pretty much tell them, hey, we are your parents, but you didn't come from mummy's tummy. But we chose you. That's what they said. Jeremy said, well, it didn't really affect me. I'm going to be real with you. They're my parents and they always will be.

Now, that's what he said he felt, but later he's not going to carry that same energy. Meanwhile, Sheila, I mean, from the get go, she felt destroyed. She said it was shocking. She felt alienated. She said she almost felt like her parents wanted her to be grateful all of a sudden. It was such a weird dynamic, and once they knew, they confided in their friends for emotional support.

But these nasty little kids at school would tell everybody else, and soon the two Bamber kids were being bullied for being adopted. Jeremy would actually get bullied the most because he was a tiny little kid for his age, and they would call him a bastard and an orphan. And if Sheila ever tried to stick up for him, Jermy would flip out and tell her, don't ever do that again, and he would get so mad at her. Now this is where it gets fascinating. The two siblings reacted to everything so differently.

They reacted to their parents' love differently. They, the fact that they were adopted. They reacted so differently to everything and when they were both sent off to boarding school They reacted differently. Jeremy was excited. He was like, you know what? My parents told me I'm going to boarding school because If I go to the school around this farm, they said it'll be awkward when I grow up because a bunch of these kids are gonna be working for me on the farm What so it's weird to go to school with all your future employees because you can't just fire them because you're emotionally connected because it's like, hey, Johnny,

I know you sent elementary school, you're fucking fired. I love the capitalism. Okay. But Sheila, on the other hand, she's like, why did my parents adopt me if they're just gonna keep giving me away? First to the nanny and now to the boarding school, I mean, what the hell is going on?

Sheila also started jotting down in her diary feelings about her life and she drew a lot of intense pictures. Similar to the pictures that her kids would later draw. She would draw these three girls wearing long dresses, standing motionless on a spiral staircase and it was very much horror movie vibes. A lot of people said that her drawings look like, you know, the painting, the scream the screen. Kind of that vibe. Yeah, there was definitely something going on with

Sheila. So both the kids are just struggling with their family life and both of them have deep rooted feelings of abandonment. I mean, they feel neglected by their parents and on top of that, there's this intense pressure because the bambers, they had a pretty clear idea of what they wanted from their kids. They wanted Sheila to grow up, marry an equally wealthy, if not wealthier man, start her own family. There was just so much resentment towards the parents, and the two kids did not come together to support each other. No, they decided we're gonna freaking hate each other.

They just kept her a man to sizing the other siblings' life in their heads. Sheila thought Jeremy had the best life. Jeremy thought that Sheila was getting things from the parents that he was never gonna get. Now anyway, after high school, Sheila's a bit lost. Goes to college, meets a guy named Colin. They end up getting married later, but she drops out of college. She's, you know, kind of bouncing around from job to job, and finally she's like, I want to be a model. She definitely have the potential she was tall, beautiful features, but I think her ambitions were only putting more tension in her life.

Her parents did not approve of that. They were like, no, this is too much. For example, for her modeling portfolio, for some reason, the photographer wanted her to pose with a gun, a shotgun. And this is important later, but the photographer said, she didn't know how to hold a gun at all. Like, it was obvious that she had no experience

or idea about guns. Mm-hmm. So after these pictures, she's thinking, okay, I'm gonna get a job. But she gets pregnant instead. And she was really worried about how it was gonna affect her career. She tells her parents, and surprisingly,

her mom tells her, no, you gotta get an abortion. June played up how much it would damage Sheila's career. Listen, I'm kinda surprised that June wanted Sheila to get an abortion because she's very religious. Personally, I think the speculation is that June did not want Sheila to marry Colin because he did not come from money. He was from an average family, he was in art school.

The Bambers really wanted their daughter to marry someone with just as much family backing as they had. At one point, June even blatantly told Colin, I hope this abortion breaks you guys up. I hope you guys never recover from this abortion. Yeah. And let's say the money was the first problem, but Colin really didn't do himself any favors.

Whenever he visited Shila on the farm, he would always be caught doing weird things. For example, one time he came over to the farm And he convinced she'll let a sun-bathed naked in the yard Which is not smart considering how religious her parents are June saw flipped out Screamed at Sheila non-stop you are the devil's child the devil's child Wow, that is yeah, she look wow She would never forget those words and I'm not saying it the, she would never forget what her mom said to her. This would be lifelong trauma. She would never let it go.

No, it's clear that Sheila had an underlying mental illness. And these words would burn themselves into her mind. And she would quote, hang her psychosis on these words. So the mental illness, as it started presenting itself, she started believing that she was the devil's child. She started believing that she was innately evil. Basically, Sheila dwelled on these words too much and it would only fuel her psychosis. Allegedly, June went as far to take Sheila's anudes.

So Colin had taken nude photos of Sheila while they were sunbathing and gave her the developed photos. June found them, snatched them up and started blackmailing Sheila with them, probably guilt tripping her, using religion to get Sheila to do whatever she wanted. Now remember these nude photos later because Jeremy would actually try to sell them after the murders. What? Yeah, Jeremy actually tried to sell Sheila, his past late sisters, nude photos to tabloids. Wow, come on. Are you kidding me? So I'm just saying, I know that I sound biased, but I just feel like Jeremy's the guilty one.

Okay, anyway, moving on. Then she like gets pregnant again, and she did not want to have another abortion. And this time, June is like, you know what? Fine, have the baby. She even offered to buy Sheila and Colin and apartment in London on the condition that they get married before the baby is born.

So Sheila's over the frickin' moon. She's feeling fantastic about this, until she realizes how traditional her mom is. June wouldn't even let Sheila wear a white wedding dress. It had to be cream, because she's like white symbolizes virginity, not in my church, because you're not a virgin. I'm sorry, what?

I mean, the dream wedding turned into just a shotgun wedding, if you will. And like, I don't like that term, but Sheila's parents really didn't let her have any wedding that she would have liked in any sense. It was just an emergency wedding. So they get married, moved in together, and then Sheila sadly miscarries

in this first six months of pregnancy. She was devastated, and all she could think was, okay, I got to throw myself back into modeling. Meanwhile, Jeremy is living his best life smoking weed, going to concerts, never did well in school, never focused on fun activities. The only thing that he really liked in school was going to the shooting range, which, yeah,

the school has a shooting range. I thought it was weird, but the teacher said, oh, it's not unusual. Shooting is a hobby that's particularly well-todden, often attracts the not very academic or the not very athletically gifted. Which I would say is a very well articulated dish. No, it's like kind of rude. I don't even... So Jeremy's living his best life. He's so detached from whatever and everything that's going on. He really didn't give a shit about anything or anyone. He would even

taunt Sheila until she would explode. Like really explode. I'm talking, opening up the window and throwing things out into the yard, explode. He knew exactly which buttons to press. Sometimes they would go over to a family friend's house for a party and it was a beautiful home. And he would elbow her and say, well, you'll never live in a place like this if you stay with Colin.

Not to be fair, Colin was a shitty dude. It had nothing to do with his net worth. I don't know if he was being Yamondum, or if he just wasn't in a nice guy, but one time at Sheila's birthday party, Sheila's birthday party, Colin got super drunk and left the party with a young female coworker of his. Just left, gone for two hours. Obviously when he gets back, Sheila's asking him why the hell did you leave with her? What the hell did you guys do?

What the fuck is going on right now? Colin ignored all of her questions, pretended to fall asleep in a drunken stupper. Sheila was so pissed, she was trying to get his attention, get him to wake up, she snatched her fist through the bedroom window, in an attempt, but it didn't work. Colin didn't quote wake up. Jeremy had to drive Sheila to the hospital to get stitches. So their relationship is rocky. And Sheila decided to show Colin she didn't need him.

So she decides to go on a hunting trip with dad, Jeremy, and the rest of the family. It's a three day hunting trip to Scotland that they do every single year. A lot of the male cousins, the uncles, they tag along, Sheila never went. She wasn't into it. She loves small animals, she doesn't like the idea of hunting, but she went this time.

Mainly to be like, you know what Colin? Fuck you. Now this is the part where things get confusing. Jeremy insisted that while they were hunting Sheila had fired a gun. Other relatives said, well yeah she came up to me and was like, oh you know I'm a girl and I've never shot a gun, do you mind if I try it? And she awkwardly shot the shotgun in the air and was like, okay, you know, I'm a girl and I've never shot a gun. Do you mind if I try it?" And she awkwardly shot the shotgun in the air and was like, okay, that's good, that's good.

I'm done. Some relatives say, no, she never fired a gun. The whole trip. Like, she was just there kind of crying because, you know, her situation was calling. I don't know. Even her firing at once, I imagine it's not someone who's proficient with guns, you know? Just trying to fire a gun a single time with the presence of people that know how to fire

guns is a completely different experience I imagine compared to homicide. So after this hunting trip, Sheila gets pregnant again, and this time she would have a successful pregnancy and give birth to two beautiful boys, pregnant with twins. It was rough, yeah. And Colin was just super excited, so excited in fact that he was cheating on Sheila non-stop while she was pregnant. What? Yeah, just too excited.

He couldn't hold it in his pants. It caused so much friction in their relationship. He seemed annoyed. He's like, I wish we could just love each other like we used to, which I'm sorry, what? You cheated on your wife while she was pregnant, but now you're upset that she doesn't love you like she used to.

So Sheila gives birth to twin boys, prematurely, Nicholas and Daniel, and both grandma's were at the hospital while Sheila was in labor. Apparently, Collins mom was super attentive trying to make sure Sheila was comfortable, and apparently, allegedly, June wasn't. She just kind of stood in the corner. But thankfully, after the babies were born, grandma stepped up to the plate and June wanted to watch the kids whenever she had the time. But by the end of that year, Sheila's life would really fall apart.

Colin was cheating on Sheila and he was closer to his mistress than her now. He was going to leave her for his mistress, and they got divorced. So Sheila has postpartum depression. She needs help. She's a single parent. Her career is not taking off. She's depressed. She has underlying mental illnesses. I mean, it was a lot. She was desperate enough to call social services and tell them that she might hurt the kids. They rushed to her place and these social workers decided we've analyzed Sheila. We've talked to her. We've evaluated her and we don't think that she's gonna hurt the kids. They said that we think that this was actually a cry for help.

No one was taking her seriously. This was her way of being like, hello, someone helped me. She let's said, you know, I know that there's a lot to work on. I need to go see a therapist. You know, my ex-husband just moved in with his mistress and he's taking the boys on the weekends and it's just miserable. So she's getting the help, she's getting therapy, she's talking to her parents. I mean, things are you looking okay. Now let's circle back to Jeremy. This guy drops out of high school, and the guy is obsessed with being reckless and rich.

That's his thing. He never put in effort. He would get cars from his parents, and he would radically drive them on purpose just to scare his friends who were in the passenger seat. Just to impress them, make them feel like they're a lives rat risk. Honestly, I don't know why he did it. Once he even crashed the car And his two friends were in the car and they were scared shitless and Jeremy turns to them and it's like all right

Well you guys are gonna have to split it Split the cost of the damage. They're like what you're it's not even your car It's your daddy's car and like why would we split it? You're the one you're one driving Yeah, well, I was giving you guys a ride We were yelling at you to slow down the whole time. The guy had no sense of responsibility or consequences. He was also super into pranks, like he would dress up in feminine clothes, do a full face of glam makeup,

and ride a tractor around the farm to embarrass his highly traditional parents. He was also bisexual, which he hid from his parents. He would allegedly scoop up a bunch of rats in a shoe box and release them in June's room, because his mom hated rats. Also he, uh, Pratokin Robbery, he loved to rob people of Cartier watches, Cartier, you know, jewelry.

He would buy diamond jewelry, where he would steal diamond rings, take the diamond out, replace it with a fake gem, and pretend to sell it as a diamond ring. What? So he's doing a lot at you. He goes stuff. Yeah, it was weird. He would smoke weed all day.

He would get a random girlfriend and then have an affair with a married woman. Which by the way, that was so scandalous that the bambers were like, we're gonna write you out of our will if you don't end this affair with this married woman immediately. So after that threat, naturally Jeremy got down on one knee and proposed to that married woman. Honestly this guy didn't even love her, it just feels like he wants to do the opposite of what his parents say just to do the opposite of what his parents say. There was another woman that he dated for a month and to this woman's shock.

Can you imagine this? Imagine if this happened to you. After just a month of dating, she sees Jeremy and her house with this big moving truck. What's going on? I'm moving in. We never even talked about moving in or taking the next- we've just been casually seeing each other for this month. I don't- what are you doing? It was creepy. It was confusing. I mean, can you imagine that? It was really weird. Guilt here or not, Jeremy's a weird guy. And and with all the resources all the money in the world Jeremy Starts robbing people more. I mean he's just going down the rabbit hole There was another trailer park business that his parents were doing okay

His parents had a lot of businesses going on and a lot of the times they would employ cousins Uncle's nieces to watch these businesses and Jeremy thought that he could just walk in and Thank all of his family members for being placeholders and now it's his time to shine. He would take over at the business? She would try to. So he told his dad he wants to get into the trailer park business because he thinks there's more money there than in the farms. He straight up went to the trailer park and told his cousin and, hey, go skadaddle now.

And she'd been running it for decades. He's like, you can get out of here now and didn't even feel offended because she said that's just Jeremy that's just the way he is. But there is something that made her blood run cold. During one conversation Jeremy was talking about how he was having an argument with his dad and you know there's no point in even telling Ann about it. He literally said never mind Ann there's no point in talking about this because it'll be mine in two years' time. What? A weird conversation.

And another time at the trailer park, $1,000 was missing from the safe in the office. Jeremy finally admits to stealing it and everyone's like, why the hell did you steal from your own family safe? And he said, well, because Anne is getting paid more than me and that's just not fair. So I stole the $1,000 to make up for our salary difference.

I mean, you don't get why I stole it. That's a completely reasonable explanation, don't you think? And clearly, the guy was obsessed with money. That's the only reason he even wanted to inherit White House farms. It wasn't so that he could be in a stoop businessman, and he wanted to expand the family business. This guy just straight up wanted to sell the farm immediately after his dad and mom died, so that he could get it in cash. Um, okay, well you'll see, that is the main motive that people believed Jeremy had for

wanting to kill his whole family. Because with his parents gone, he would inherit all the money in businesses, and if Sheila was alive, he would have to split the inheritance with her, and as for the two sons of Sheila, they probably had the right to the inheritance if Sheila was dead. So they all had to go. And he would be the last one standing, the last one to cash the check. But what about the people that think it's Sheila? Because Sheila was deteriorating in her mental state, it even reflected in her kids.

It's not that she was abusing the kids, but she just wasn't present. She had a tendency to be forgetful and disorganized to the point where the doctor's actually prescribed her with sedatives to help her sleep. If you sleep better, maybe you'll wake up better. And every little thing, she just had so much guilt she was dealing with. There was one time where she visited June on the farm with the boys.

And her and her mom got into such a big argument that she loaded up the kids into a taxi and was like, I'm freaking leaving. I'm taking a two and a half hour taxi back to London. I'm leaving. They get to London and she's still thinking about the fight with her mom. She's rushing out of the taxi, she doesn't pay enough attention to the boys and one of them tumbles out of the car and sustains a minor head injury.

She la blamed herself for the incident and it sent her into a mental health spiral. I mean, a spiral that she had just been gearing up for years. Now, we don't know what kind of spiral because her psychiatrist said that she was just diagnosed with depression. It's just unclear, but we do know that something bad was going to happen. It was getting too tense. Sheila was starting to get mad at her parents for being too religious around the kids. The boys complained to Sheila that grandma June made the meal all day and prayed. They didn't like it. And Sheila thought that June should just cut it out. Of course, June didn't agree, June's like, I gave you everything in life, you can't tell

me shit. It led to more and more explosive fights, which Sheila would start dwelling on, and I think the biggest thing was, again, she felt like she was evil, and if she was the devil's child, then her mother was the devil. Yeah. She said that she started hearing voices that she was Virgin Mary and she needed to get away from the evil. Now, Sheila was scared at one point and she reached out to her dad, almost as a cry for help. And they got her to see a different psychiatrist who said Sheila seemed very psychotic and agitated. She was plagued by disturbed delusional thoughts and overvalued

ideas that she has accepted as truth. He said, she was been in a state of acute psychosis for at least two weeks and has been depressed, unconfident for the past 18 months with an increasing sensitivity about other people. She is very concerned about her children, about how they are seducing her. He said that a lot of these seem to have stemmed from June's pure tanical ideas regarding sexuality that Sheila was so traumatized with. Almost like intrusive thoughts. It's just she's so paranoid of thinking anything sexual because her mom has just ingrained in her brain ever

since she was a kid. You can't be sexual, you can't be sexual. And now her intrusive thoughts are like, oh my god, what if I have sex with my kids? And instead of being like, that's an intrusive thought, ill, gross, right? She's really dwelling on it on, why would I have this thought, unless I'm this type of person? Hmm, well... So I must be evil!

She was put on more sedatives, more anti-psychotic meds, she was sent home to try and get some rest, and now for some reason, June is like, I'm gonna help you get through this. And it didn't work because they just started hating each other more. And the whole time Jeremy is making fun of Shula, he did not take mental health seriously. He would always tell people, oh my sister's going bonkers.

He later said he regretted it, but little too late. So at this point, he's going around dating people and he's dating Julie and she's important. But he was also perpetually cheating on Julie. He did not manage to keep it in his pants for more than a day straight. He would cheat on Julie with his ex-girlfriends, with new women that he met at bars. He would even cheat on Julie with Julie's own friends that he met through Julie. A lot of people who he cheated on Julie with reported that they felt unsure if they were

assaulted or not. It was very alarming stuff. people who he cheated on Julie with reported that they felt unsure if they were assaulted or not. It was very alarming stuff. And whenever Julie found out about it, Jeremy would be like, oh my god, these women are so jealous. They're the problems. They're trying to break us up. Do you not see that?

Like, they don't like that I'm a king in Ure queen and we're building an empire together. That's what he was telling her. And their relationship was intense. Julie reported a fight at the supermarket one day. They were browsing which soap to get in the soap aisle and they couldn't decide. Jeremy was like, I like the smell of this one. Julie's like, no, I like this one.

Julie was so pissed off. She grabbed the soap that Jeremy wanted and threw it at his face. It bounced off his nose and hit the ground. He was so pissed. He got up in her face and pushed her nose with a palm of his hand. It sounds light, but it's pretty painful.

Like it makes you want to sneeze and tears pool in your eyes. Julie was so pissed, she grabbed everything in their shopping cart and started slamming them on the ground and left the grocery store in a fucking mess. So yeah, both of them were pretty intense. So while that's happening, Sheila is just deteriorating even more. She's arguing with her mom non-stop, her boys hate grandma's house and Sheila's like, does that mean something?

Because why do they hate your house so much? I don't know what's going on, but Collins said that he felt more comfortable with Sheila watching the boys even in this state of Psychosis than he felt with June watching the boys because the boys they felt safer on Sheila Meanwhile, they were straight up terrified of their grandma. So August 6th Colin drops off the boys and Sheila at White House farms for a week trip And he didn't feel good about it because the boys didn Shila at White House farms for a week trip. And he didn't feel good about it because the boys didn't seem happy and Shila seems super out of it. But he had no choice, you know. He drops him off and there are reports of

Shila playing around with her kids as if she's a zombie, not really engaged, behaving strangely, and then the whole family gathered to eat dinner together. At least I was a plan. But while dinner was being prepped, Jeremy saw some rabbits that he wanted to shoot. So he loaded up the rifle right there in the kitchen, ran out without even letting his parents know where he was going and he just left. He claimed he came back within five minutes because he couldn't find any rabbits to shoot and he claimed that he never fired the rifle. But he did leave it propped up against the wall in the hallway.

And instead of having dinner with his family, he's like, hey, I'm going to go back to work on the farm and then I'm going to go back to home. Other employees were there to vouch for him, and they said, you know, it didn't seem weird. He wasn't fidgeting. He was very chill. Work was fine. Work was normal. And then around 930, Jeremy went back to the house, stopped by for a few short minutes, and then ran back out either to go hang out with friends, or it speculated that he got into an argument with his parents that night. Regardless, he left. And that was the last point of contact with the bambers, or at least one of the last points.

There was a phone call from Aunt Pamela. Sheila had picked up. And all Pamela could say was that Sheila sounded distracted. Sheila told her that she had no interest in anything, not even the kids, in nothing in life, and that her mom was trying to persuade her to go into a nursing home, but obviously she didn't want to go into a nursing home. Pam was worried, so she's like, okay, well calm down, maybe you guys can come over for lunch in a couple of days. They haggah.

And the rest of the story is well based on investigative facts and speculation, because we don't know what happened between that phone call and 3.26am. But we do know that around 3.30 a.m. Jeremy Bramber called the police the local police station to be exact Not the emergency line. He called the police station directly looked up their number and called them Well, that is very strange. Yeah, does he know the people there? No, so you only do that because it's not an emergency Yeah, but it was weird because you do that because it's not an emergency. Yeah, but it was weird because you do that when it's not an emergency, but when they pick up the phone, he's frantic and he's explaining that his dad just called to let Jeremy know that his sister was,

quote, going berserk with a gun. And then the phone line went dead. That's what he said. So the police asked him, what do you mean the phone line went dead? And he's like, well, I think someone put their finger on it to cut it off. So, I mean, this sounds like an emergency situation, no? Yeah. It's just an odd conversation. The police even asked him why didn't you call the emergency line rather than the actual police station and he responded, I didn't think it would make a difference to how quickly you got there.

I don't know how your system works. Jeremy tried to explain that all his dad said was that his sister had gone berserk and that she had a gun and the phone line went dead What was even stranger is that Jeremy only lived five minutes away from White House farms But he wasn't there when the police got there and they took longer than five minutes. So what gives Somebody like well, he's probably worried. It's a shootout. Would you willingly go put yourself in the direct aim of fire? Others are saying it's not a random shootout as not smart as the choice would have been. Most family members would have gone in hopes to try and calm down the other family member,

or if he really did think it was a shootout, why didn't you call the emergency number? Yeah, we'll just go there nearby. Yeah, either way, he didn't show them immediately. And when the police arrived, they saw the two dogs, one in the house, one in the yard, they were both going crazy, crying, barking, non-stop. But other than that, it was scary how, one in the yard, they were both going crazy, crying, barking, nonstop. But other than that, it was scary how there was a single peep, not a single sound

coming from anyone, not cries for help, no arguing, no crying, nothing. The lights were on inside the kitchen, the twins bedroom, the bathroom. So what does everybody do? At this point, Jeremy is also at White House Farms. And together, they decided we're just gonna stand here for multiple hours. They're like, we're just the regular police. And in the UK, and together they decided we're just gonna stand here for multiple hours.

They're like, we're just the regular police, and in the UK, the regular police, we don't have guns. So we're just gonna wait for the special units to arrive. What? We don't even know when they're gonna get here. So yeah, we gotta wait for backup while we backs the fuck up. Now, they weren't completely useless while they waited. They entertained Jeremy's conversations of buying a Porsche soon. They tried to talk to Sheila, but that didn't work.

They even opened a line into the open line inside the house. So if you have a landline and your line is off the hook, your phone is off the machine. They can actually access it. Oh, really? You can try to listen. Oh, I see.

Yeah, it didn't work. They couldn't hear anything. And it wasn't until after 7 a.m. the police finally attempted to enter the house. They found all the doors locked, all the windows secured, no sign of forced entry. They had to break down the door with a sledgehammer to enter the freaking home and the door had been locked from the inside with the keys still inside the lock. From the inside? Yeah, they have a lock on the inside. Okay, so this is like a locked door mystery. Yeah, that's why a lot of people think of Sheila. They went from room to room. They found Mr. Bramber first. Neville's body was found in the kitchen, hunched over a toppled chair. The kitchen

was mess. The kitchen table had been pushed into the console. There was magazine fliers everywhere. There were broken pieces of glass and wooden shards, pots scattered on the ground. The chairs were overturned. Blood was staining the entire kitchen. Neville did not die peacefully. He had been shot eight times, six times in the head in the face at close proximity. He wasn't even in the kitchen when he was first shot.

He was in the master bedroom. And after getting shot, he ran downstairs to the kitchen, leaving a trail of blood behind him. And then, in the kitchen, he was shot four more times. But he was also severely beaten. He had black eyes, a broken nose, bruising around his arms, wrist and face. He had three circular burns on his back, which almost looked like these giant cigarette burns.

And it most likely came from someone pushing the barrel of the gun onto his back after it had just fired. Because you know when you fire a gun it's very, very hot. So these burned just into his skin. And it speculated that all the blunt force injury trauma was done with the gun. Meaning that someone took the other end of the rifle and slammed it down onto his face repeatedly. So you're thinking when I'm thinking, you're telling me, Sheila, who has always been known

to be a petite and physically frail person, did all of this? Well, the main advantage of the rifle was that, um, the one that was used in the murders was that there was no recoil, which is huge. So, it was nothing like the movies, guns are nothing like the movies where you can just shoot a gun with one hand and no recoil. It's not, like, the bullet comes out spinning and the gun literally jumps back towards your face almost because of the intensity. So in order to prevent that, it's all about maintaining a stance, cleaning your mind, clearing your mind,

to shoulder control. Some would say it's the hardest part of shooting guns. Is the recoil. But since the rifle had none, even for someone with no gun experience, it probably would have been the easiest gun to start with. But still, could Sheila have been capable of not only shooting Neville, but beating him to this state in her sedated week state? Then the police go upstairs.

They find the twins, Daniel and Nicholas dead in their room. Daniel had been shot four times from a few feet away. Nicholas had been shot three times at close proximity. One of the twins still had his thuminism, thuminismouth. In the primary bedroom, June's body was found collapsed against the door and right between her eyes was a gunshot wound. She had been shot from a close proximity seven times. What? And then the police found Sheila. Well, they found her body. In the master bedroom, she was laying on the floor.

Two bullets to her throat, resting on her body was a rifle. The barrel was against her jaw and there was blood pooling in her mouth. Next to her, where a pair of blood spotted stocks and June's Bible, two bullets to the throat. How's that possible? That means she, right? Yeah. And the, you know, rifles are long. Keep that in mind. Yes. So it's not very easy to do that. And that's why she shot herself in the throat. If she were to do it to herself, it would have been in the throat because it's impossible to pull the trigger. If you put it up

against, let's say your temple, but it's it's weird. It gets weirder. There was a handwritten note on a white car that was near Sheila's shoulder. And that sounds massively important. No, a massive clue to who did this or why? Well, we'll never know what it said because the police destroyed the evidence. Yeah, they let it on fire. That makes zero sense. The carpet was spattered with blood, and an officer noted that the souls of Sheila's feet were spotlessly clean, and her fingernails were completely intact. Now why is that important?

Because those who believe Sheila was innocent want to know how on earth she could commit these crimes, never having to reload the rifle multiple times and not getting blood on her feet. And if you've never reloaded a gun, it's very difficult, especially if you're new to guns like Sheila allegedly was. A lot of people will chip their nails while reloading a gun, and these are people who probably work with guns on a daily basis, especially if you're in a hurry, which presumably Sheila was.

She had to reload the gun multiple times in order to kill everyone in the house. And you're telling me she beat her father up and never broke a single nail. But initially the cops were like, all right, pack it up. Nothing as see here. It's a tragic murder suicide by someone that was mentally broken. When they told Jeremy about the deaths of everyone in his nuclear family, down to his young nephews, A lot of officers said his reactions were a bit strange. Like he was just screaming at the cops, Why can't I see my dad?

I want to see my dad!" As strange it felt like a performance. Now, but there was no sign of entry, no sign of forced entry. The door was locked from the inside, so everyone assumed that it was Sheila. But family members who knew the house well said they found one of the kitchen windows had a latch on it. And when the window is pushed closed from the outside, it looks like someone pulled it closed from the inside and put the latch on. But you can't break through the window without breaking the latch so the theory is someone

had to enter the home through the front door, the normal way, and exit through the kitchen window. But the police didn't know that. They were like, hmm, Sheila's guilty. Their case was closed. At the funeral, Jeremy was putting on a show. They were snapping photos of him. I mean, he looked beyond devastated.

It either is genuine grief or insane acting, because it's a lot. A lot of body language experts have argued that Jeremy's body language indicated that he was faking it, because the emotions did not reach all the muscles of his face. In the same way that a fake smile doesn't reach someone's eyes. Now I don't know how to feel about this because Botox and also Heinsight, you can definitely

look at a guilty person and point out 2,000 million things in their body language that seems guilty, but who's to say? Other witnesses at the funeral said that they could see Jeremy laughing and grinning when the cameras weren't pointing at his face. He was even allegedly chatting it up with woman at the funeral and afterwards he went out for a meal with his friends. He never went back to White House farms. He was just busy collecting valuables and selling them and he even put the family dog down.

Now people were like you put the family dog down so that you could just have a party that you didn't have to take care of the dog anymore. And Jeremy was like no, the dog witnessed the murders and he got extremely aggressive because he was terrified. No, I'm not saying that Jeremy is the killer, but why would the dog get aggressive with him? Maybe he was the killer. So for a while, including the police, a lot of people were like, it was a murder suicide,

she was the killer. So those who believed she did it, they think that her motive is that she just snapped. She couldn't take it anymore, she's struggling with her mental health, she felt like everyone had to exit this life together. Her parents were evil, they passed it down to her and she probably passed it down to her kids. She was delusional. It said that she thought that she could have gotten back together with Colin, but Colin was moving on, he was falling in love with other women, and she was upset about it. Now, a lot of people think that there's no way that Sheila could have done it. She was heavily sedated at this point, she wasn't in much of a state to murder anybody, let alone that many people. Her doctor actually thought that her sedatives were working too well. He's like, you're too sedated.

Even shortly before the murder, Sheila met with her birth mother, and they, they hit it off. They met the grandchildren, and she promised to visit a soonest that she could. They wanted to stay in close contact. Collins said that Sheila was so happy about this, getting a connection to her biological mom. It gave her hope. And you're like, well, what about those thoughts she was having about her sons

seducing her? Sheila's therapist said it was probably the anxieties of being a parent. So I mean, a lot of people might have these anxieties of like, oh my God, what if my son is a man-hater? What if he kills people when they grow up? But because she is going through an underlying mental illness, it's merging with all these other thoughts of like, am I the devil's child? Am I evil?

And this repressed sexual, you know, sexuality, that not sexuality, but sexual thoughts that she's having? Not for her kids, but because June has convinced her that sex is bad, it's like a part of her that feels repressed. So maybe it's just all merging together is how they're describing it. Dr. Ferguson also noted that she was not actively suicidal. She just felt frustrated. So a lot of people started looking at Jeremy because all of this does make sense. He was acting strangely after the deaths of his entire family. He was burning evidence. You know, he told the police to burn the evidence. He was spending so much money. Even family members started to suspect

that it was him. And then September 7th, less than a month after the murders. Jeremy's ex-girlfriend Julie walked into the police station and stayed at the Jeremy killed his entire family. What? The police were shocked. They were the ones that burned the evidence, so they sat down and they're like, you got to explain everything. Julie's like, well, he hated his family, he's hated them for a long time, he ate Sheila, he called it crazy, Alunia, and Nutter, those are the words he said. He even told me that calling would be better off without Sheila, and that his children

were burdens, too. Jeremy thought that he was doing everyone a favor. His parents needed to go. Sheila needed to be put out of her misery and he killed the twins out of mercy because they were already, quote, damaged goods. Jeremy also told Julie that he wanted to set the whole house on fire after killing them,

but it would be a shame to destroy such a nice house. Julie said right before the murderous Jeremy called or saying something along the lines of tonight's the night. It's now or never. So with that, the police arrested him. Well, the guy is weird. Okay, I will say that Julie's testimony. There is some weird parts.

They just broke up and she is going to the police being like, he's the killer. So some people think that maybe Julie knew about it. Julie knew that he had planned to kill the parents and maybe she had wanted some money. She did sell her story to tabloids for $30,000. So I don't think that her intentions were necessarily pure but I don't think that she was the killer. Jeremy was immediately arrested and his whole like his whole story was just changing back and forth. He would

sometimes just stare at the interrogators for minutes at a time, eyes on wavering, he seemed unhinged. He would pull loose threads from his sweater and just start flossing his teeth during the interrogation. Even Jeremy's attorneys' hold defense was basically, I mean he's a psychopath but he's not a killer, which is just not a great defense. The only evidence that they really had on Jeremy was that his fingerprints were found on the Bible next to Sheila and the gun, but Jeremy admitted to loading the gun on the night of the murder to try and kill the rabbits and asked for the Bible

Well that was harder to explain because it was June's Bible and let's be real Jeremy just doesn't strike me as the type to get high go 90 on the freeway and read Bible versus when he gets home So it's mainly Julie's testimony and the manager of the farm barbra Barbara said it just felt like the band bars knew that Jeremy was gonna do something or something was gonna happen Because they even told Barbara about what song they wanted to play at their funeral It just felt like the bandbers knew that Jeremy was going to do something or something was going to happen. Because they even told Barbara about what song they wanted to play at their funeral. It just felt like a, like a premonition. Wow.

Barbara said that Jeremy walked around the place with a perpetual smirk and he was just not a good person. Barbara also claimed that June was considering writing Jeremy out of the will, actually writing both of our kids out of the will and just leaving everything to her grandsons. Ultimately, the court didn't know what to think, but Jeremy was found guilty, but it wasn't unanimous. Out of 12 jurors, 10 voted guilty, 2 not guilty, but in ordinary circumstances, that would be a mistrial,

but the judge claimed this is no ordinary case. He called Jeremy call us an evil and sentenced him to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 25 years. Wow, I didn't know that could happen. Yeah. Now there is a theory. To this day, Jeremy Bambar has been trying to appeal a sentence and he's been proclaiming his innocence

and has been repeatedly trying to do anything he can to get out of prison. He claims that he has 100% proof of his innocence and he's been rotting in prison for 35 years now, being kept in maximum security prison. So you're like, okay, well, if it wasn't Jeremy, could it be Sheila? I don't know, I just don't really buy that it was Sheila. Like, yeah, mental health is dangerous, it's terrifying, but just from my research so far, it feels far fetched.

It's almost being like, yeah, for sure, she committed suicide because she was mentally unwell. Meanwhile, her psychiatrist is like, but she wasn't suicidal. Do you guys know the difference? Kind of reminds me of that. But if it wasn't her, and let's say Jeremy didn't do it either, who else could it have been?

The other theory was that it was the other relatives. The brothers and sisters of June and Neville. So they killed the family. They framed Jeremy so that they could inherit everything else because they were the ones actively working on the businesses. Maybe they felt like Sheila and Jeremy were undeserving. They had no idea how to run the business. They would take over, fire everyone, sell everything, and they would lose everything

that they worked their entire lives for. The reason that this theory is so big is because the extended family members actually went to the family home after the murders. They said that they were there to retrieve some valuables. Then they found a gun silencer on the ground, which I have no idea how on earth the police missed that piece of evidence, but they did. The family found it. So this is why a lot of people believe it couldn't have been Sheila.

The gun silencer would have been used to kill all the victims, otherwise the rest of the victims in the house would have woken up. And they would have stopped Sheila easily because she's pretty tiny and frail. Or remember they all lived super close to the family house, all the workers? They would have heard the gunshots. One employee said that she heard what sounded like a shotgun one time that night. Just one shot. Which means whoever the killer was would have had to use the silencer the whole time.

But Sheila could not have killed herself with the silencer on the gun because the silencer lengthens the rifle and her arms just weren't long enough to reach the trigger if the silence or was on there. But they only heard one gunshot, is this making sense? So the speculation is, you're telling me Sheila shot herself in the throat with the silence around the first time, even though it was physically impossible for her arms to do that, then took the silence or off, walked downstairs, put the silencer away,

managed to get no blood on her feet, walked back upstairs, and then shot herself again in the throat with the silencer off because nobody heard two shots. So it just didn't make any sense, right? It was just weird. I mean, not only that, I just struggled to imagine that someone could have shot themselves

in the throat twice, it's just strange. And the silencer was definitely used because, again, the marks on Neville's back it fit the silencer way better than it did the actual barrel of the gun. I think simply the fact that two shots to the neck, just to talk about a long think about that. Yeah. The reason that a lot of people speculate the extended family is that they did not go to the police with this information for two days, which a lot of people were suspicious about, but I don't know. It does sound like something you might do if you are trying to frame someone, right? Like it's, I guess what they're trying to say is, it feels physically impossible for Sheila

to have committed this. It feels dumb for Jeremy to have done it because it's almost like he was asking to get caught. What do you mean? The silencer, the Sheila shot herself in the throat with a rifle. They had other guns in the hot, like it was just weird. It's almost how did he think he was going to get away with it? So that's why some people believe the rest of the family did it. They set it up so that Jeremy would look guilty.

But Jeremy did at pretty suspicious. Yeah, personally, I think it's Jeremy, but I'm just trying to give weight to steel man all three cases or theories. Yeah, I guess. But that is the story of White House farms, one of the most notorious true crime cases in the UK. And after researching for hours and hours like staying up at night researching this case, I just feel more confused. I do think Jeremy's guilty, but it's very confusing.

What are your thoughts on this? Stay safe, this Thanksgiving, and I'll see you guys on Sunday for the mini-suit. Bye!