Rotten Mango - #22- The Lululemon Murder

Episode Date: November 5, 2020

2 women were terrorized in the back of a yoga store at the time of closing. 2 men in black caught on security cameras. The investigation comes to a sudden halt when the investigators realize nothing is as it seems.  All for some yoga pants.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hi everyone, welcome to the first episode of Spook Vemper. Okay, um, listen, I thought that genuinely I was going to be really sad after Spooktober ended. I thought there was going to be like this emotional letdown where I'm like, oh my gosh, I love Spooktober ended, I thought there was gonna be like this emotional letdown where I'm like, oh my gosh I love Spooktober, but I realized actually November is just a spooky and I don't know if it has anything to do with the political climate I don't know if it's got to do with just the way 2020 been going, but I actually feel a lot spookier Then I did in October so today's story is going to be wild and I have a feeling that my fiance is gonna love this one and all of my future true crime detectives or maybe possibly curvent true crime detectives are really going to love this one because as you listen to this story there are already so many things that you can point out along the way that just feel uneasy

because I think you'll have a fun time trying to figure out the real story. There are so many variations of this story that is told before we get to the real crime. Before we really know what exactly happened and this is the Lulu Lemon murder. I'm just gonna say this, just flat out, straight up, be it. Nothing, nothing in this world, taco bell, okay? Fucking nuclear noodles. Nothing in this world makes me gassy, or the Lovulemon yoga pants. I don't know what it is. The minute that I put those on, I'm farting.

I don't know if it's like the fact that Lovulemon's like, you're gonna look slim, thick, and the butt part is just filled with my farts I have no idea genuinely, but anytime I put those suckers on I have to fart non-stop So you think you just don't have what it takes? I think honestly my physical body is rejecting Louis Lumin because if you don't know the CEO is slightly racist towards Asians Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah lemon because if you don't know the CEO is slightly racist towards Asians. Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't know this when I first started getting stuck from Lulu lemon. Like my fiance has some things from Lulu lemon. And I recently stopped shopping there because the deal literally came out and said that he made Lulu lemon. The name of the store, everyone's like, what does that mean? Like do you use your daughter's name Lulu and you just fucking love lemons? Like why not Lulu lime? You know, what does that mean? Like, do you, you know, use your daughter's name Lulu and you just fucking love lemons? Like, why not Lulu lime? You know, what's the deal?

And he said it's because he likes listening to Japanese people try to pronounce the word because there's no L in the Japanese language. So they say, Ruru, Raman. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. And it's just like, how can you be so straight up racist? How does that make sense? Yeah.

And then also another, also another fun fact about Lululemon that I found during my research is that you know when you get one of those CT scans, you're not allowed to have any metal in you. Yeah. Like because it'll literally go up to the top of the CT scan. Like if you have nipple piercings, your nips are gonna be at the top of the CT monitor.

Like they're gonna be ripped off of your body, right? And for some reason, like this doctor went on there and multiple doctors like fact checked are confirmed. I mean, it's not necessarily like evidence, but they said something about Lulu Lemon. I don't know if there is like metal in there, fibers of the leggings, but they always ask their patients

if they're wearing Lulu Lemon yoga pants because then you gotta take it off. They've seen lots of women come out there with like small burns on their legs after being in the CT machine. It's weird, right? Weird. Weird. And you know, I think this is all just all of us rejecting the fact that there's yoga pants that are worth $100 out there. I don't believe it. Okay. We're just all literally physically rejecting that idea. So this is the Lulu Lemon Murder. It's gonna get weird because I mean, when I say Lulu Lemon Murder,

what are you picturing? Are you picturing someone like, just like a fit housewife, go in a fucking spin class and then murdering people? I just burped. I'm telling you, just thinking about Lulu Lemon is making me get out of here. So this all takes place in Bethesda Row of Maryland.

Now Bethesda, if you have to describe a comfortable town, I mean, the fact that there is a fucking Louis Vuitton lemon right next to an Apple store should kind of tell you what kind of town this is. This is a relatively, you know, middle to upper class town. They've got a fucking Apple store. It's an outdoor Apple store. It's not even like inside

of a mall it's like an outdoor one so it's a bougie town okay like literally nothing happens in Bethesda I can't even say it nothing happens in Bethesda except he's literally whispering Bethesda Bethesda Bethesda. Bethesda. Bethesda. It's a bougie name. Bethesda. The March 12th of 2011. So it really was not that long ago. On Bethesda row of Maryland, there's like this outdoor shopping mall. Lululemon is right next to the Apple Store, like I said.

And Rachel, who happens to be a store manager at that Lululemon, she was opening up and it was around 8 in the morning. So she's walking her way to fucking Lululemon, eight in the morning with a little yoga pants on. She's got a key in her hand. And as she's about to open the door, right? Okay, by the way, just a side note, as she's passing through Apple to get to Lululemon, it was a new iPad launch.

This is kind of pertinent to the story. So there was like a string of people lined up outside. And this is when like iPad was like the newest thing. I think this was like iPad two. So this is like a string of people lined up outside. And this is when like iPad was like the newest thing. I think this was like iPad 2. So this is like the second generation. So everyone was like, fuck yeah, give me an iPad. And it was just like rows of people lined up. Some of them had actually been lined up

since the night before, like early in the morning. Like I wanna say like five o'clock in the morning, okay? And so she's walking past all these people with her little key in her hand. And as she gets to the front door of the Lula Lama store, the door's already unlocked. So she's like, you know what? Someone's getting fired.

You know, it didn't look like there was a break in, there was no glass shattered, so she's like somebody, some bits, is really getting fired today. Where is the manager, right? Yeah, because she's like, how did the closing shift not lock up? Like, that's like the most important thing ever.

And so she's like, all right, all right. Let me see who's on the schedule last night. She's like getting all intense. And initially, when she walked into the store, she realized that some of the clothing was just hanging off the hangers. Like it was on the ground. The hanger was just still hung up.

Some things were knocked over. There was like a clothing rail that was knocked over. And I mean, it wasn't necessarily ransacked, but it's definitely alarming. It's one thing to not lock the door, but it's another thing to have things knocked over in the store. So she's thinking to herself, okay, maybe it's not that my co-workers forgot to lock the door, maybe something happened.

And so she's looking around, and that's when she's like, okay, I definitely think that this is unsettling. Like, I shouldn't be in here, but myself right now, because I don't know if someone's hiding here But myself right now because I don't know if someone's hiding in here waiting for me I don't know if someone's still in here. I don't know what's going on like personally I would never and I worked retail and I just would never I would run back out and be like not today I'm calling my boss. Okay, I don't get paid enough to go in there and put my life on the line to be like I wonder it looks like there's someone like fell, fought in there or what?

it doesn't get that I mean it's like weird because I saw pictures of it and if I saw it I would think that they probably robbed the place and already left oh but it doesn't look like they trashed it so it looks like maybe they were going in for like registers instead of clothing items and actual merchandise because it didn't look like someone went through all the merchandise like where's the new Wist Yoga pants? I need to find it, you know. It looked like, you know, they were just kind

of running about and some things got knocked over. Imagine, what I'm imagining, the best way to describe this, you know, listen, I'm trying to up my description skills because this is a podcast. Imagine, you've got this giant doberman who's like completely out of control and you walk into Lulu Lemon and that doberman smells a treat. So it just starts running around and you're getting dragged behind. So that dog knocks over something, you kind of trip over it and then you knock down a couple shirts, but it's not necessarily like a fucking fight happened. Exactly.

So good. It's so good. And so she immediately runs outside and she starts like kind of like she's just a little bit shocked like okay what do I do what do I do what's the next step should I go back in there and that's when a guy by the name of Ryan Huff he was waiting in line for the new iPad 2 and he walks out of the line listen that's not normal no rides a good dude okay rides a good dude or is, Ryan's a good dude.

Or is he, I'm kidding. So then Ryan walks out of the line. Now I don't know if he was like, say my spot, guys, right? But he walks out of the line and he asks Rachel if she's okay. And so he's like, hey, are you okay? She definitely looked really frazzled. So it wasn't weird. Like everyone was like, and I'd like, she probably saw some shit in there.

Right, because they saw her just open the door. And she kind of like frantically tells them the situation of like, oh my god, like there's like things knocked over in there. I don't know if someone's already in there. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Did you see anyone who was coming into the loom and store?

Like how long have you been here? And he was like, oh, I've been waiting in line for like at least an hour. And no, none of us saw anyone in or out of the store. So she's like, what? Okay, this is so weird. Okay, what do I do? She's like panicking.

And he's like, calm down. It's okay. Like, do you want me to go in there with you to see if, you know, what happened? And so she's like, okay, yeah, yeah, that's amazing, right? So Ryan starts walking in first into the Lulemon store. And just as Rachel had seen, he saw kind of like the things knocked over, tipped over, not a big deal, right?

Up until he gets to the back of the store, and he sees that the registers, I mean, the registers were open, there were three small saves below the registers that were completely open and empty, there were pretty much receipts thrown everywhere, it's kind of clear that this was a robbery at the point, right? And as he sees that, he starts walking towards the back more, like where the changing rooms are. And there's just tons of shattered glass and just tons of blood. When I say tons of blood, there was blood splattered on the walls up to six feet tall. I'm five foot, like two, six feet tall. So you're talking heavy impact blows like there's just I mean it was Sip blood. If you guys Google the Lulu lemon murder

You're gonna see these on the images. So just be warned if you don't have the stomach to look at blood or Just other crime scene evidence photos. Don't don't Google it and there were even like little hand marks on blood on the wall like not necessarily like a handprint But like a hand swipe like someone with bloody handprints was like grabbing onto the wall It looked insane the trail of blood was literally headed towards the back of the store So he's like okay like this is really bad and on the blood on the floor It looked like someone had been dragged through the blood to the back So he's like this is crazy even in the blood not only were there drag marks But there were multiple footprints, so he's like what the fuck am I seeing dude?

I'm sorry. I'm casting a lot in this one But like this is probably one of the most brutal crime scenes that I've Okay, well Maybe not necessarily but like in terms of not like a serial killer who literally has practiced this for years, you know, type of situation, this is weird, especially in a Lululemon store, just imagine that, imagine the last time you were in a Lululemon store. Okay, and so he's like, okay, this is weird, so he walks further back where the blood trail was leading to, and this is weird because, you know, they were expecting a robbery, worst case scenario, they were expecting a robbery.

They were not expecting this much blood. And so he goes into the back and that's when he sees a dead body, laying in a pool of blood, face down, and when I say a pool of blood, I mean a fucking thick pool of blood. I'm talking white water, ocean pool. It's a weird pool. I mean, it's a huge pool. Like, it's a lot of blood. There was a rope around the neck of the body.

They were clearly deceased. Like, there was no signs of life, absolutely. You couldn't even, um, the head was bashed in. But they can't tell who it is. They can't tell who it is. Well, Ryan was the only one that saw. So Rachel was likehed in but they can't tell who it is They can't tell who it is well Ryan was the only one that saw so Rachel was like waiting in the front and So he sees that and he's panicking. He's like I gotta go for it can tell Rachel I gotta run out of here because I don't know what the fuck's happening and that's when he hears some moaning So he's like oh my god, and this is when I guess like his real

Courage just stepped in because listen I I wouldn't ever, but he did. And he was like, okay, someone might need my help. Like someone might need medical attention. It didn't sound like a grunting. Like, oh, you better get out of here. I'm gonna kill you too. It sounded like help. Like I'm another victim here, right?

And so he followed the moaning, the light sounds of the moaning. And he went into the employee bathroom. And that's where he found another body. And this body also had slashes all over them arms legs chest there was a huge cut on her forehead she was bound by zip ties her arms were above her head her legs were zip tied and there was a lot of blood not as much as the first body that he found but there was still a lot of blood and there was a huge hole in

her yoga pants her black yoga pants that she was wearing and There was I mean the hole was at the crotch So it completely exposed her genitals like her underwear had been cut through as well And she was still alive So this is when he's like holy shit, okay, like we need 911 We need a bajillion ambulance as we need this asap so he sprints towards the front to Rachel and she's on the phone with the police and she's like Okay, well, we need an ambulance now because this guy is telling me like there's people in there like please get the ambulance ambulance ambulance ambulance Please right yeah, and they realize well Ryan realizes that this is a murder and

Sexual assault case and the person is still alive So I mean, it's just a shit show so after Rachel gets off of the phone call with 911, they're headed their way. She realizes that the two people must have been the two people that were closing yesterday. She realized it was Jaina Murray. Jaina Murray, she's 30 years old, and she was kind of like a manager level.

She wasn't as high up as Rachel, but she was some sort of like manager, not like a general manager, right? And then 28 year old Brittany Norwood, she was the one who was still alive. Wow. Yeah. Oh, it's gonna get crazy. Now, just to give you some info on Jaina Marie,

because I feel like it's really important to have some sort of like guidance on who these victims are, just so we can like feel something in our hearts now Jaina she was blonde athletic beautiful vibrant. I mean these are the words that people use to describe her and she I mean When I say when I say she could own the Lululemon like she could own the Lululemon So she went to George Washington University and she was currently but when the time of the murder happened She was working on two graduate degrees from Johns Hopkins University. The prestigious

Johns Hopkins and she was working at Louisville Women as like a side job while she was finishing two degrees. Now no offense, but these degrees were not no little like, cutesy fartsy, like mukbang degrees, you know. And so she was just always known as a straight-A student She was an overachiever and people said she was an adventurer So her 30th birthday had recently passed and she went bungee jumping for her 30th birthday She's already gone skydiving multiple times. She goes rock climbing. I'm not talking in a facility I'm not talking about a facility. I'm talking about real rocks. I'm talking about Dwayne the Rock. I'm just kidding.

I'm kidding. Sorry. She was a gymnast. She was a dancer. She was really good at tap dancing to the point where her tap dance instructor was like, hey, you should really think about it. If everything else doesn't work,

you could definitely do something on Broadway. I've never seen people tap dance like that. It's multi-cal. Yeah, she's traveled to every single continent, except for Antarctica. So she's like well cultured, well traveled, just I mean beautiful. They said that the one thing everyone described her as, which I think is so it's just kind of, it's such a good description. She's a megawatt smile. That's what everyone says. Just a megawatt smile. And she was also known to be really charismatic.

And I think it had to do with the fact that she was really quick to help and trust people because she just wanted everyone around her to be successful. Like everyone, not even just like her friends and family, but like literally everyone. And that's why she was, you know, a Lou Leman manager at one point. She was wonderful. Now, she also had a boyfriend who was living in Seattle at the time. His name is Frazier. They actually knew each other since the seventh grade.

And they remet at George Washington University. And he actually, this is so sad. But it's so cute. That's why I'm like smiling while I'm telling it. But he was really excited because he, a couple months before, he had planned to propose to her, so he was going ring shopping. Oh, man.

Yeah. So it was, she had like a full life ahead of her, like a really full life. And the only bad thing that I could find on her, the only negative thing I could find about Jaina Murray, not that I was looking, but the thing that I could find on her, the only negative thing I could find about Jane and Murray, not that I was looking, but the only thing I could find was said by herself, which was she had absolutely no sense of style. And when everybody was asked about this, they said, no, well, I guess it didn't

matter what she wore because everyone just liked being around her that we didn't even notice. So she was a really sweet person, is what I'm trying to say. And then Brittany Norwood, the survivor of this vicious attack, she was 28 years old, and she too came from Seattle. They did not know each other prior to this or anything like that, but she came from a huge family. I'm talking four brothers, four sisters,

but they were a highly educated, big, huge, close knit family. And they were, per se, like the richest people alive, but they were pretty highly educated, big, huge, close knit family. And they were, per se, like the richest people alive, but they were pretty well off, especially considering that they had nine kids in total. Two of them later grew up to be engineers. One of them was like a doctor. One of them was a business consultant, you know. And Brittany, she was a high-teaming student. She was a soccer star during college. So, I mean, you're talking about also highly educated, incredibly smart, and incredibly athletic. So she had moved to Bethesda and she wanted to open up her own gym. That was

like her main goal, right? And she was going to quit Louis Lleman soon because she was on her way to become a personal trainer at Equinox. Yeah, so she actually had her second interview scheduled for that next Monday. So she had already caught and passed the first round of interviews. And then the second interview, she couldn't attend it because she was, you know, she was suffering from a lot. So that was kind of what was going on with both of the girls. Now, I know it might be a little bit weird to say this, but I'm... I am really not a firm believer on one size fits all.

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That's functionabuty.com slash Rotten. And so the police arrive at the scene and they were shocked on arrival. I mean stuff like this does not happen in Bethesda and like a Lululemon store right next to literally sharing a wall with an Apple store. This is also pertinent to the story later, right? So they're completely shocked. They see Janea Mare. She was the first person that they saw, covered in red head to toe completely. They said that her face was practically bashed in, and what they found that was very peculiar and just odd was the fact that there was a toolbox on Jaina's back. So like I said, a toolbox.

Yeah, it seemed like someone had just dropped the toolbox on the back and shoulders of Jaina at like the last minute I don't know if that was like a sign of disrespect or like another way of hitting her. I'm not entirely sure Okay, but it was just really really weird and she also had her underwear and yoga pants split open at the crotch area She had no pulse and she was pronounced dead at the scene. Now the toolbox is very interesting. We're gonna we're gonna keep coming back to this one detail. But the toolbox, there was only a couple of tools in it at the time. The rest of them were pretty much scattered around the room and they were super bloody. I'm talking there were two box cutters, there was a hammer, there was a wrench and all of them

were soaked in blood. Now, the way that they found Brittany Norwood was that she had her shirt pulled up and she had her stomach exposed. And she had gashes on her stomach. So someone had sliced her stomach. Her breasts were thankfully not showing and I don't think there were too many gashes on her breasts. She was losing a lot of blood and there was a little lemon tied around her neck like a shirt. And it seemed like it had been taken from the store. It didn't look like it was the shirt that she was wearing. I think it still had a tag on it, to be honest.

And it seemed, it wasn't strangling her, it wasn't choking her, but it just really tied around her neck. It looked really uncomfortable. And then near Brittany, Norwood, there was a rock on the ground that was covered in blood. And it looked like that was the one that inflicted the forehead injury because like I said, she had this really nasty gash on her forehead. And there was also like a Buddhist statue nearby.

I mean, the Lula Lemons store had like a lot of Buddhist statues inside of the store. That's display? Yeah. So one of them had been brought into the employee bathroom because all the other employees said that they don't remember seeing that just like as a decoration in the bathroom. It looked as if the boot is statue could have also been used as a weapon. I mean, it's really hard to say because blood was splattered everywhere. So they're just trying to differentiate between what was used as a weapon and what else was

just casually laying there and then splattered with blood, right? There was also a hanger that was on the ground near her and it's a wooden hanger with the serrated ridges on the sides. This hanger comes into play, so you need to remember this hanger, okay? Okay. So it's a wooden hanger and you know how sometimes you go to those fancy clothing stores and like all the straps, they have like the ridges on the hanger. So none of the straps fall off, do you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it was one of those and there was a bunch of like wind decks on the ground. There was paper towels on the ground. And it was weird. The police also noticed that there's two different sizes of footprints. One of them, they speculated to be about a woman's shoe,

maybe a five or six. So it could have belonged to either Brittany or Jaina or somebody else. And then they also found a men's shoe size of a whopping 14. They're like, this is a gnarly foot size. This is a huge foot. Like this is not your casual walking down the street. Like this is big foot. No offense if you have a size 14 feet, sorry.

You know, but it's a huge foot, right? It's not your average male size. So they're like, okay. So obviously, we think that there was someone pretty big in here, which they kind of already concluded looking at the damage that was done to the girls. And the huge shoe theory, it was weird because the footprints of that huge shoe stopped at a kitchen sink in the back. So they thought, okay, so either this person came here, took off their shoes, rinsed off the blood so that they wouldn't leave any more footprints, or they took it off rinsed it off and then put them into a bag or Carried them out of the lulelemon

Now there was another thing that was weird which is at the fire exit in the very back of the store There's this fire exit door and there was blood leading up to it a lot of blood And then there was even blood on the handle of the fire exit in the back But there was no blood outside like not even a little drop of blood No footprints not even a little tiny inkling They couldn't I mean they literally scoured they literally microscope to the back and they could not find any blood Outside of the fire exit door. So you're saying like inside the door on one side. There's blood Yeah, but outside there's no trace of any blood. So that's why they theorized that it was not the assailant, the

perpetrators that left through the back. It wasn't the criminals that left through the back. They thought maybe one of the girls had rushed there and tried to leave or trigger the alarm because the fire door itself It had an alarm system. So if you opened it without inserting your key first, then the alarm would go off Right, so maybe it looked like that, but they got pulled back. Or maybe because the key was actually in the door, which they thought was also weird, they thought maybe the attacker's forced one of the girls

to put the key into the door and they could open it. And then when they looked outside, maybe they saw a passerby, maybe they saw it, it wasn't safe, or maybe they saw a security camera or something, and they didn't exit through the back. And there's no security camera. The whole street, which is just filled with retail shops and restaurants, the only place who has a security camera is the Apple Store. Louis Leman does not have security cameras.

Are you serious? Yeah. So there's no footage of anything even outside? There's a little bit of footage outside from the Apple store, but it's not much. Yeah. So they immediately bring Brittany to the hospital and she was very, very lucky because most of the wounds were superficial. So she only had two wounds that required stitches and bandages, one on her forehead and one

between the webbing of her hands, like in between her fingers. And mainly the rest of all of those like gashes and wounds, they were pretty light, so all they had to do was like alcohol wipe them, just make sure that they're clean, so it doesn't get infected. And she was questioned immediately because they're like, we need to know everything,

because the people who did this are still out there, right? And Brittany was very shaken up, but she was still like, okay, like I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you everything, right? So she said that she was closing up the store with Jaina, around 9.45 pm. And that's when they separated. They literally said, okay, bye. And they locked up the door and they started walking away. Now, Brittany, she was headed to a bus.

She was taking public transit, transit. And Jaina, she was headed towards her car. So Jaina gets into the car. Brittany gets on to her bus, and they go their separate ways. Now, that's when Brittany, when she gets to the bus station, she realizes, oh my freaking god, I forgot my wallet at the Lulele Lemon store. Like, I don't have my metro card, I don't have any cash, I don't have anything to get onto this bus. So she kind of freaks out because she had only been working at this Lulele Lemon store for about six weeks now, and she had to call a bunch of

co-workers to get Jaina's number. So like she called one, they didn't pick up because it was Friday night, she called another one, they didn't pick up, she called another one and they were like, oh, I don't have her personal number. And then she had to call multiple different coworkers because she didn't have Jaina's number, right? No freaking way. So finally, she gets Jaina's number and she calls her and she's like, oh my god, like

I'm so sorry, but I cannot even go home right now. I don't think anyone can come pick me up. Like, do you mind, you know, if I just meet you back at the store and you can open up the store. And now, Jaina, on the other hand, she was already like halfway home. I mean, yeah, she lived relatively close, but she was already halfway home.

And she was like, you know what, it's okay. I also left my laptop, which I was just gonna grab in the morning tomorrow, but since you're already, you know, going, I'll go. So she's like, I'll see you at the store soon. So Jaina arrives at the store and with her car, she parks immediately in front of the Lulu lemon store in a no parking zone. Because I mean, she's like, why am I going to go find parking, right? So she parks the car. They open up the front door. They don't lock it behind them. They don't even turn on the lights because I mean that it's like this whole system that they have to go through, you know, and they're literally just grabbing the wallet and the laptop. And so they're searching

in the back. And I believe Jaina had grabbed her laptop and then gotten towards the front while she was waiting. And that's when, you know, she's like, okay, like what's taking so long? So she goes to the back and she's like, Brittany is like, I can't find my wallet. I don't know what to do. So she helps her look. And then finally, Jaina's like, listen, I don't think we're gonna find it today here. Just take my metro card. So Brittany's like, oh my god, like thank you. That really means a lot.

Like thank you so much. So she grabs Jaina's metro card and Jaina walks in front of her towards the front door so that they can leave again. Wait, so there's currently there's no people waiting outside at Apple Store? Yeah, not yet. Because it was like the night that they closed.

Okay. So now, you know, the next morning, it's probably going to be a couple hours, right? And that's when two men show up and they had burst through the front door that was unlocked and they were trying to like slide behind some clothing rails and that's what like got knocked over, right? And Brittany said that they were wearing head slide behind some clothing rails and that's what got knocked over, right? And Brittany said that they were wearing head-to-toe black clothing, they had black masks on. One of them had a black backpack on.

One of them was also really, really tall, like above six feet. The other one was really, really short. And she said that she couldn't identify anything. She couldn't identify what skin color they had, or anything like that. The only thing that she said about anything, I guess, other than the clothing was the fact that by the voices,

she assumed that they were Caucasian. Just by the way that they were talking, by the things that they were saying, she assumed that they were white. And one of them immediately, the big one, they punched Jaina in the head and started dragging her towards the back. The short punched Jaina in the head and started dragging her towards the back. The short one grabs Brittany by the hair and just started kind of like putting a knife towards her

and she was dragged to the back as well. And so at this point she ends up in the employee bathroom and during all of this while they're getting dragged by their hair to the back of the store, they're being called dirty horse, dirty bitches, and so Jaina is Caucasian, Jaina's white, and Brittany Norwood is African American, she's black. And so she was being called the N word by these assailants, by these fucking criminals, they were calling her the N word, and calling her a dirty blank. And so this, I mean, what the heck, right? And so they're keep screaming at them, they're like, where's the money? Where's the money, right? And so this I mean what the heck right and so they're keep screaming at them They're like where's the money? Where's the money right and the so the short one had taken Brittany and he's like

Where's the freaking money? Where's the freaking money? He forces her to open the three safes that are under the register and forces her to put them into his backpack So she's like shoveling the money into his backpack and then he grabs her again Drugs her back into the employee bathroom and that's when she gets assault. Sexually, she was raped by this dude on the bathroom floor. And during this, I mean, it's crazy because I can't even wrap my head around the fact that these aggressive, violent misogynists exist.

But during the assault, he was saying things like, I've never been with a dirty N word. I would never put my D in a dirty N word, but whatever, like just disgusting. And then he would say things very torturous, like, shut up or you'll never have kids. And would just start slowly cutting into her tummy. And afterwards, he went outside while she was like laying there crying because I can't even imagine how traumatizing that is. He went out, grabbed a wooden hanger, came back and assaulted her with that hanger. And she said that

he said he wouldn't stop until she started enjoying it. So real sick and nasty, dude. And then he hit her on the head and it was so hard that she said that she kind of like blacked out, like she was trying to focus and pay attention because she felt like she was going to die, but she just like couldn't. It was like the weirdest thing. Now during all of this that was happening to Brittany, she said that she heard Jane up just screaming bloody murder. Like, just Jane up was not going down without a fight. And she was being dragged even when Brittany was putting money into the safe. Like, she

could literally see from the corner of her eye, her eye, Jane up being dragged around the hallway by this big ass six foot something dude. And could see him beat her and slowly she said that Jane of screams started to get fewer and less. Nobody was there in the home hall? That's crazy because people were in the Apple store. Yeah, I'm gonna get into it, yeah. And so her screams just started fading off and that's when you know, I mean she just said that there was so much blood.

She didn't know what to do. There was just blood everywhere. She was in the employee bathroom. She could see into the hallway. There was just blood everywhere. She was zip tied at her legs and her arms. And I mean, I don't know. She just kept saying there was too much blood.

Like the police, the one that interviewed her just said that she was just inconsolable. There was nothing that she could, she was just sobbing. Her shoulders were shaking, and at one point, they couldn't even understand her. It was a lot. And the police officer who actually was talking to Brittany

didn't know the state of Jaina. She didn't know that Jaina was dead yet. And so Brittany just kept asking, like, how is Jane out? Like, where's my friend? Is she okay? Is she okay? Oh my god. And the police officer was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna find out for you, right? And it just, there was a lot of survivors guilt. So Brittany would constantly say things like, it's all my fault, it's all my fault.

Because I mean, they went back for her wallet. Whereas if she didn't forget her wallet, then maybe none of this would have happened right and It just was a lot the police they kept telling her it's not your fault because you know You did not expect this and no one could have expected this and also these are criminals like you are not in fault for other nasty people's Behaviors so that's what Britney Norwood went through. And Jane's autopsy is just going to make the story even worse. This is probably one of the most brutal autopsy that I've read in a really long time. So Jane has she had at least 331 separate wounds. 331. What? And these are just the ones that weren't overlapping because think about your body.

How much square, how much surface area do you have really, right? One by what though? So many different weapons. We're going to get into it. So she had over 331 wounds. Those were all the separate wounds that weren't overlapping other wounds. So we can assume that the ballpark is much, much higher, right? And her face neck area itself had 200 of those wounds.

So you're talking, I mean, they said, the quote is her face was demolished, end quote. It was brutal. Her skull suffered 13 fractures. She had, I mean, just stab wounds, beating wounds. She had 105 self defense wounds, which means she's trying to block things with her chest and her arms and her torso trying to protect her head and her throat. I mean, it's crazy. So the forensic analyst who did this case, they did over 3,000 autopsys before and they said that

they never seen someone with that many defensive wounds. It's insane. They also said, this is going to literally shatter your heart. It ruined my day for multiple days. But she was alive up until the last below. Is what the experts concluded. Because none of them were fatal wounds.

She was fighting throughout all of it. We can tell through all the defensive wounds that she was fighting hard. This was not like a fighting and then passed out and then the other person continued to kill them, right? This was a strong hard fight and she was alive up until the very very last blow, which was a 3.5-inch deep blow to the back of our head, and this singular stab would sever her spinal cord. So that was the fatal wound. And I mean, 331 injuries. We're talking, I don't know how much that would be in time, so we don't have a good estimate, the police don't have a good estimate, the police don't have a good estimate, but it means just imagine even tapping like a pen to your table without

force, you know, and without someone fighting you. The table's not fighting you. Imagine tapping at 331 times. It's going to be a lot. And at least five different wound patterns were seen, which means at least five different weapons were used, but they estimate up to ten different weapons. They estimate there was a wrench, a hammer, the rope around her neck was used, razor, a razor blade, two box cutters, a serrated knife, and a metal rod are all part of the things they suspect to be weapons. I mean, you're talking about a great deal of persistence. This is not somebody who is like, hee hee ha ha, I'm just gonna like kind of hit you around while I robbed this place. It seemed insane.

I think the saddest part though, I don't know why this part is so sad to me. This part broke my freaking heart. And I think I can kind of relate to it in the sense that like, you know how sometimes when you're really, I mean, I really hope that nobody really knows how this feeling is. I like once in a blue moon, right?

You get so frustrated, you kind of like grab at your hair, maybe during like a panic attack, like you're kind of just like touching your face, like touching your hair. Well, Jaina had clumps of her own hair founded in her hands. So it seems like it was, you know, kind of like a mixture of self-defense,

like she was holding on so hard to her hair, but also a lot of people saw it as a panic mechanism, which is what a lot of people do. So that is Janus Autopsy. And the detectives, I mean, they were shook. The main detectives on this case, the one that we're gonna mainly focus on, his name is Demetri.

And I actually watched like this show who interviewed Demetri and he's, he's really interesting. He's an immigrant. He said that the only way that he would feel really, really happy in a country like America is to make, you know, it's safe for people. And he really wanted to make a difference. He has a wife, he has children. I believe when he was on this case, his first kid was like seven months old, and he was just dedicated. And I have to say, he's got really good gut feelings. Like I would trust him with some things,

I don't know what those things are, but with some things, okay? Like, you know, anyway. I don't know what to say. I was gonna say, like I would trust him with my murder, but like I don't wanna what to say. I was gonna say like I was I would trust him with my murder But like I don't want to jinx myself for anything Yeah, so they set up a tip line because they're like this is absolutely insane So if you guys have any idea who this person could be like give us a call

So they set up a tip line the town is going insane Bethesda is going insane to attractive young retail workers I mean, this is a shit show literally to the point where sales dropped 50% on Bethesda row Nobody was coming to get iPads anymore. They were like fucking iPad. I can order it online I don't need to go like literally people were not going self-defense sales went all the way up in this town It was insane. I mean this just doesn't happen And they said that the villains that are part of this, they're like villains from the movies. Like, think about it.

Like, it's crazy. You're not even just talking about robbers, the police and... So, like, about the crime scene, right? The 300 wounds, was he trying to torture her? Or was she, he is trying to kill kill her just like taking his time with it? So it seems like torture is involved because even think about like all the things that were said to Brittany. You know, it's very torturous. Right. So it seems like these are sadistic little mother-forkers. So they came to the store or came they came out that night ready to do some crimes like that. Maybe. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I like that you're asking questions.

Let's see where you think this is gonna go. And so that's when they're like, okay, we need to talk to this Apple Store. So detective Dmitry goes to that Apple Store and he starts looking at the cameras. And no, can you believe no other shops had cameras but the Apple store? And that's when they see two men in frame. They're like, shut the front door. This can't be it. This is literally exactly what Brittany was saying. There's one taller than the other. One short dude, one tall dude. They're both wearing all black clothing. It was around 10 p.m. and they had one of them at a backpack on. This was around the timeline of when the attacks happened. They were also walking away from the direction of Lulu Lemon.

There's no evidence that they walked out of Lulu Lemon. Like the police tried everything. They even tried to do shadow work. So they went at night and tried to open the doors of Lulu Lemon to see if a shadow was cast or anything when they left, right? But they couldn't find anything. It just was out of frame. Did they get their face?

They couldn't get their face. They were wearing like beanies on their head, which could have been ski masks. Okay. Right? So he's like, are you kidding me? This is literally around the same time frame that they should be walking out of the Lululemon store, and they're quickly walking away from the crime scene. Yeah. Absolutely not. It's like this has got to be the people, right? Yeah. They're like, this is perfect. Like this is the exact description of what we were looking for.

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I mean this literally this case is so rotten. But they start interviewing the workers at Apple because they're like okay Well like if the security footage isn't gonna give us all this information Maybe some of you guys can who closed here that day like how long did you guys stay were you here around 10 p.m And Jane was one of the employees of the store and Ricardo I believe was the manager at the at the store. They also had a security guard who was there. And so all of them were like, oh, yeah, we were here. We were closing that day. And they're like, well, did you hear anything crazy? Because I mean, we're talking about a savage brutal murder and an assault. How cute you guys share a wall. And so Jane, who was the employee there, she was like, yeah, I mean, I heard screaming. I heard squealing, I heard banging and I thought because it was a Friday night that the noises were coming from the street

But then but then I went into the back room and the noise continued So I was like, well, it can't be from the street because I'm in the back room right now And she could hear all of these like weird noises. They were like high-pitched screams lower-pitched gruntings some dragging noises some yelping, some hysterical sounds. I mean, there's a lot. So then she decided to tell her Apple Store manager. So she's like, hello Ricardo, can you help me? Because I think the screams are coming from next door from Lulu Lemon. So he's like, what screams? So he walks into the background when he listens,

and he can hear screams, and he tries to get closer. So he puts his ear up to the wall that they share with Lulu Lemon and he said and I quote he heard agonized breathing agonized breathing okay you can hear breathing yeah like agonized like like something like that but that's a lot yeah to hear and so then this I'm laughing because of how nasty this is okay He decides to just bang on the wall like an annoyed neighbor and the noise is stopped for a little while So they just went about their merry way they thought they were doing that no, they just didn't know what it was they were just like Like you know how when you're like loud and your neighbors like hey shut up in there, right? But what is he expecting? Exactly.

That's why he's so mad. Maybe he's expecting they're doing some nasty? Actually, no. He was interviewed and he said that he felt like it was just coworker drama. And I quote, and I quote, he said coworker drama. He was like, yeah, it just sounded like, you know, maybe they dropped a clothing rail, which was like the banging noise and they got into like a little catty fight. Oh my goodness.

And then when they banged on the wall, the noise just kind of stopped for a little bit. Now Jane says that she heard two voices. One of them saying, please don't do this to me. Just talk to me. Just talk to me, please. And then another one, possibly the same girl, she doesn't remember, God help me, God help me. She heard all of that. Yeah. They never called 911. They never sent there. I mean, this is the crazy thing. Like, okay, what people were saying, you know, why don't you just send the Apple security guard? Fine, maybe that's against company roles. You get fired. Why don't you call 911? Literally, what's the worst that can happen? They show up. They realize it's just girl drama drama and they leave. Like, what could be the worst thing that happens?

I don't know. Maybe this is similar to, you know, the airplane thing. Like, you always look for your senior managers approval on whatever action. If your manager's like, oh, no big deal. Yeah, then you're way less likely to call or do any actions on your own. It's so, but that's pretty nuts to hear. Yeah. Those conversations still expecting. Yeah, nothing's going on. Essentially, like, okay, for me, like I, I never, I never should on people for not doing something in times like this because you just never know.

Like what if they felt like they were putting their lives in danger, right? But in situations like this, where you're literally not putting your life in danger and all you have to do is call 911 and say, hey, someone's next door and it sounds crazy. Like you literally don't even have to stay. You don't even have to be like,

I'm gonna wait for the police to get here. You can just leave about your merry way and police will hopefully follow up on it. Yeah, but to me, this sounds like the girl was suspecting something. Concerned, yeah. But the manager thought it was just drama, so no action was taken. And what kind of explanation is the drama? It's crazy.

I never heard two retail workers get into like a caddy fist fight like that just after closing. I honestly think the sex scenario would be more believable. Yeah. If he was like, oh, I thought they were just like doing it after closing or something. Like that, I could understand. But really just coworker drama. Anyways, so the police are starting to piece together the timeline. So they realize that Jaina had actually called Rachel, the other manager, at around 10 p.m.

saying, hey, we just locked up and I'm on my way home. So Rachel didn't know that she went back to go get the wallet. So this was on her first initial trip out of Louis Lehmann, right? And she drove back. Apple employees started hearing like the banging and the screaming around 10105-ish, maybe, right? And so they assumed that's around the time that they broke in. So Rachel was able to check the alarm system. Around 9.45 the alarm was set and they left the store.

And around 10.07 I believe the alarm was disarmed. So we have the time frame between somewhere around that time to like 10.30. Right. Right. So the main suspects, those two dudes. Yeah. Those two dudes in the security cameras. So the police suspects, those two dudes, those two dudes and the security cameras. So the police are like, we have no idea who these two dudes are.

We can't even see their face. We can't see anything. There's no defining markers that we can think of. We didn't see them go to their car. We can't follow them with any more cameras around the street. So why don't we just stake out Lula Lemon and Bethesda Road and see if they come back? Some people sometimes criminals who were this disgusting and this evil

They might think that they got lucky since they haven't been caught so why don't we try rubbing another store, right? They might be that Balzi honestly It seemed like they really had no leads to go on so they were just like let me just just take out Lulu Lemon Right to see if the two guys would show up again and they freaking did they showed up again So the police are immediately like both of you what the fork right they're like you need a comment you need to get questioned we're taking you into the police station so they bring in both of the men. Wait hold on what happened. They were just casually walking during business hour.

Yeah and so they're like what the heck. Just walking on the street or going into a little of them. No walking on the best road going into a little or they're doing it. No walking on the best road. Just during business hours. Yeah. And the police, like you two look suspicious. Yeah, they were like, you literally matched the same description once tall, one short.

They were both wearing black again. Oh, same outfit. Yeah, same outfit. They were like, what the heck? So they bring them into the police station. They sit them down in the interrogation room. They pull out that security footage from Apple and they're like, is this you?

And they're like, yeah. And they're like, this is you? Yeah, that's us. Where were you calling? What kind of outfits are you wearing? And they're like, what do you mean? We're bus boys at the local restaurant. Shhh.

We literally got off our shift and we were headed out and we walked the same way because we live in the same direction. So the police are like nah, nah, you better sit down and they call all of the people out the restaurant and it's confirmed. They are bus boys. They were working that night. They do walk home together all the time. But are they their time was accounted for? Yeah. So they never disappeared. They never disappeared. So the police are like, are you can imagine that one of them was even wearing a backpack? Is that not crazy? Like imagine the odds, both of them, one of them start one of them short, they're both wearing black. They both have one of them has a backpack. One of them is

wearing, um, both of them are wearing the little beanies that look like ski masks that could be pulled down, you know, on top of their heads. Like, what are the odds of that? I mean, I guess the black fur being a bus boy is common in the rest of the business, but like the odds of like the short one, the chaw one, and the timing, and just all of it, and the fact that their faces weren't seen on the security cameras, like it just was insane. They were like, what are the odds? And then it's just going to get even crazier with coincidences because they finally get a call from the tip line

That seems pretty pretty solid and it's about a homeless man by the name of Keith locket all of the locals We're like you need to go look for Keith I don't know what's wrong, but I think Keith had something to do with those little lemon murders He's known to be violent. He's known to just aggressively pursue and try to make sexual advances on women Just all the time He's known to be just a very aggressive person and he hangs out at this local bar every single night. Like Keith is Consistent and trying to make sexual advances on women that are unwanted and hanging out this bar every night

Like that's his thing. That's what he's known for. He's always at that bar every single night except Except he wasn't there. The night of the murder. Dun dun dun. That's when people are like, huh, very interesting. The night of the murder, he was also seen. So Keith is black, but he was seeing hanging out with some short white dude. So they were like, ah, this could be the duo.

And Keith is known to not have friends because like I said, he's pretty violent and aggressive. So people don't really necessarily want to be friends with him, so he's a bit of a loner, even at this local bar, like nobody's trying to hang out with Keith, right? Yeah. And so they were like suddenly that night, we had seen him walking around town with this short dude, so we were like, oh my god, that's weird, I didn't know he had friends. And people had remembered that. So the police are like, huh, that is very interesting indeed.

And that's when they start looking for Keith. Now because like I said, he was homeless. He doesn't necessarily have an address that they could just like drive up to and be like, open up police, right? Yeah. So they actually just were searching around, looking around, and that's when they found

around 10 miles away from Bethesda, which is again weird because Keith is a local man. He never leaves Bethesda. He was checked into a hospital. He was bloody and he was beaten. So they go, they check him out, and his claim was that he got into a fight with another homeless man. And they're like, okay, interesting. They start talking to him, and that's when detective Dmitry realizes that this is not the dude. I mean, this person

is absolutely not capable of carrying out that attack. That attack was vicious. It was orchestrated. It was not They just didn't think the Keith had the brain power like that's what they said Okay, okay, which I think is weird because I don't know necessarily if there's so much brain power in this crime itself But maybe like the way that they get away without any Yeah, I guess that makes sense, right? And they also sent his without any trace. Oh, yeah. I guess that makes sense, right? And they also sent his clothes,

his few blood splatters on his clothes to forensic testing. So he did have blood on his clothes, which, you know, the police were so excited about at first, but they also realized that it just was not enough. Like if you were walking out of this attack, you would literally be a horror movie scene. You're not just like walking out

with like little period stains, okay? Yeah, and I wonder how they actually got out and got away with that. Yeah, and so this was another flop and another big coincidence. That's when the shoe was found. So they had found a shoe just on the top shelf of the store, of the crime scene. And the top part of it was splattered in blood, but the bottom of the shoes had been cleaned. Like they'd been washed of blood. So the bottom part where you actually step on the ground was clean, but the top was splattered in blood, but the bottom of the shoes had been cleaned, like they'd been washed of blood. So the bottom part where you actually step on the ground was clean, but the top was splattered in blood. So they're like, no way. So it was a perfect match to

the footprints found inside of the store. So they're like, oh my gosh, like this is kind of confusing. Just one shoe. Both of them. They were like, this is kind of confusing us because, okay, so they left barefoot, right? But that kind of makes no sense. Like, did they bring, like, do these, like, in that backpack, do they just bring another pair of shoes? Like, that's not really something criminals bring. Like, if you're robbing a store, that's probably not the first thing that you're going to

go to. It's like, I need to bring an extra pair of shoes. And Lululemon doesn't sell shoes. So this Lululemon at the time was not selling shoes. I know now, I think they sell shoes at most locations. And so they decided to talk to Brittany again, because again, another just dead end. They're like, we literally have nothing, right?

So they talked to Brittany. She had actually gone home one day later from the hospital. She only stayed in the hospital for a day. And I quote, it's because the doctors said that her wounds were pretty superficial. So there was no like big damage done to her body and when they asked her everything about her story was the same they weren't really learning anything new they're like God what do we do what do we do right yeah and they were just making her more hysterical because now she's retelling the story and she's hysterical visibly crying and like shaking so like fuck like we just

made her emotional again yeah and there was one new detail which whether she was depressing or whether it was the trauma We don't know right, but it was the fact that she said that she at one point was pushed on top of Jane's body Mm-hmm that the short dude had brought her over and like slammed her down onto Jane's body Mm-hmm, and she saw her like all the blood. That's why she kept saying so much blood, so much blood. And they said that you're lucky that you're more cute and fun to fuck. Yeah, so that was again another traumatic thing, right? So they're like, ah, we have nothing new. So the detectives are like, this is just so traumatizing and they leave.

And that's when they ask Rachel like hey um do you guys like sell shoes by any chance? Um we're looking for this shoe I think it might have been left by the perpetrators and Rachel is like oh like we have those shoes at home you're at lululemon. We don't sell them but we actually have size 14s because for men when they try on like their pants like their workout pants, they might need to be altered at the bottom. And so you need sneakers because sneakers are very different from let's say,

I don't know, flip-flops, right? To see where they get altered. The murder came in with a pair of Lulu lemon trions shoes? No, no. Either came in and then put those on. Oh, what? Yeah. They came in barefoot?

Or it came in with the different pair of shoes, took those off and put those on. Yeah. Because I guess when you are dealing with a lot of blood, it's a lot of footprints. And they lend them to people to try on to make alterations. And so then the police are like, what? That's very confusing. Now detective Dimitri. That would say no to this, right?

Yes. Detective Dimitri is Let me say note this, right? Yes. Detective Dimitri is getting bothered by a lot of issues. A lot of things in this case are bothering him. None of them are huge red flags, but all of them just make it hard for him to sleep at night. So he's picturing this, right? The shoes, they're bothering him. Yeah. The shoes never left the store.

There's also not four distinct footprints. There's only two. That's bothersome. Why? Because is it just really because Jaina never stood up once? Did Brittany never stand up once? They were just dragged around. And what about the second criminal?

Where are his footprints? How are there only two distinctive footprints that doesn't make sense? Second thing. He just thought it was weird that Jaina and Brittany's wounds were so different. I mean, yeah, you could say that one of the criminals is way more sadistic than the other and is maybe the ringleader to all of this, but you're talking about one of the most savage murders that he's seen in his what, like, years of being a cop. Don't tell me.

To someone who just has super, superficial wounds. And then, the other thing is that the person never brought weapons. Everything was from the store, all of the weapons, including the zip ties used to tie up the women, were found from inside the store. Now, the toolbox, that was from inside the store. Everything inside the toolbox, all the other weapons, the rope was it from inside the store. The t-shirt used to strangle Britney

was from inside the store. Everything was from inside the store. And the store itself in the back is not the most organized things. They don't just have a wall of supplies and it's just labeled zip ties. And it's just labeled toolbox. Like first aid kits, fire hydrants, those are a little bit different, but like a toolbox. Usually it's like someone in the store has to know where it is. Like if I walked into a little lemon, walks straight into the back,

it would take me some time to find a toolbox. Yes. Right? That's just weird. That's nuts. And the whole thing, this whole thing is Nightmare Chaos. This is literally straight out of a Nightmare Chaotic movie. But you're telling me that the criminals got up every two seconds to get a new weapon,

got up to get zip ties, got up to find a toolbox, got up to do all of these things the Apple store employees also never mentioned hearing any men's voices so what about the screaming of the racist racists lures about the dirty horse dirty bitches I mean if you can hear the screams of the girls I mean you're talking about very aggressive men yeah and you know when you're talking about very aggressive men. Yeah. And you know, when you're talking about this whole new detail that she just added, dragging a person to a practically dead body of her coworker, just to what, to mess with her, I mean, this person sounds like a sadist, right? Someone who tortures people and gets off on it. Yeah. someone who tortures people and gets off on it. So detective to me, Tree, just didn't like Brittany's description of the men. They were literally the worst people out there.

They were misogynist, rapist, racist, robbers, murderers, torturers, sadist. It's like you literally gathered every nasty criminal and just merged them into one being. Is that mean? Could this person really be out there? You know, this sounds more like a serial killer, right? Yeah.

Then just a robber who happens to be a misogynist, rapist, racist, and a murderer, right? Anastasia, stanna torture, this sounds like a serial killer. Uh-huh. And now you're saying not only is there one of these people, but there's two, they're working in a team Which is like less likely. Yeah, just way less likely. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding this is crazy

Yeah, so he's sitting there and he's thinking all these things and he's like fuck this is bad and he's talking to his wife And he's like you can't this is bad. And he's talking to his wife, and he's like, you can't tell anyone that I'm even thinking this, because I think I know who killed Jaina. And I could literally lose my career if I even question a sexual assault victim. Yeah.

For murder. So he's like, fork, what do I do? Now, there is the issue of the car. Were you paying attention? Because there is a platform. Where's the illegally parked car that was illegally parked at the front of the store when they came in to get the wallet? Yeah. Technically, it should still be there.

Jaina did not leave her keys in the car, right? Yeah. So why isn't it there? Why wasn't it there the next morning? In the early hours of the morning, when Apple employees and Apple, you know, people came in to African look and wait in line. Yeah.

Why wasn't it there? Nobody had seen it there. So they're looking for this. And it was a very unique car, not in the maker model, but Jaina was actually a longtime Texas resident. So when she had, but Jane was actually a long time Texas resident. So when she had moved to Maryland, she never changed her Texas plates. So she had Texas plates. So they weren't just normal, you know, Maryland plates.

Now, the police originally, they weren't freaking out about the car too much because they kind of assumed maybe the robbers had stolen it. But it didn't make sense with the security footage and everything like that. And so one of the cops who was actually just in the department and wasn't necessarily working on this case, he was like, wait, I remember seeing the car. And he was like, I was literally driving around 12, the midnight, right, at 12 a.m.

And I was just, I'm just driving, that was my job, right? I don't know why I'm trying to justify this dude's driving. I'm like, excuse me, Ther, what were you doing with our tax dollars at that time? I would like a detailed description. He's like, I was just driving. And I drive past this random parking lot about three blocks away. And there was this car park there. And I remember they had Texas plates because I thought that was unique. And I saw that the headlights were on and it looked like someone was in the passenger seat. But it was like 12 in the morning. So this was two hours

after the attack. And then he drove back to that parking lot at around two in the morning, and nobody was inside the car, and the lights of the car were off. What? So confusing, no? That just made it 10 times more confusing. So confusing. Let me tell you what's even more confusing.

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so he happened to just walk by while everyone was like oh my god like where's the car like they were stressing out and he was like oh I've seen that car before so they find the car and it was in that random parking lot three blocks away and the inside of that car I mean just blood smears everywhere there was blood on the steering wheel the handle there was a luvileman hat with blood all over it in the back seat. And the DNA of the blood showed that it was Britney's and Jane's blood.

Now, the hat on the back seat, they were able to do like some DNA testing on it from like the skin that touches the forehead of the hat. And they realized that it's not Jane's hat in Jane's car. It was actually Britney's hat in the backseat and This was very very interesting Uh-huh, right just keep that in mind. It's just very odd now

This along with one thing because by this point detective Dmitry was like, I don't know dude I think Britney's a little suss, okay? Brittany be sus. How is Britney expecting to get away with that? Well, there's a car full of evidence just parked completely offside? Has she thought that through or that's just her way of cleaning up? No, when you hear her description for why that car is there It's just gonna boggle your mind. You're gonna really want to rip out your hair, right? Okay, along with that He actually had the forensic analyst to re-go over certain things

Which was you know they keep all the zip ties of the crime scene They kept every single zip tie that was scattered on the ground that was found in the store that was used Yeah to tie up the girls and only one of them had this weird distinctive mark on them Why would one of them have them think about it? Why would one mark? Just like some sort of serrated mark. Oh fake Why why fake he used she's it to tie herself how Why would one mark? Just like some sort of serrated mark. Oh, fake. Why? Why fake? He uses it to tie herself.

How? How does she use it to tie herself? Think. How would you tie your hands together in zip ties? Uh, how do I tie my zip? It's pre-tied. No. What? Zip ties. How would you tighten my zip? It's pre-tied! No. What? Zip ties. How would you tighten the zip ties?

Use my teeth. Yes! They found a mark on one of them and it looked like teeth marks and only one of them had it. Oh my god. So they were like, okay, this looks like she freakin' tied her little hands up in the air together, right? Which by the way, if you guys go Google it, in hindsight maybe you could get a slight dark giggle if you guys are into dark humor out of it, but Britney was found with her hands

in the air. Did I mention that? Yeah, in the beginning, her hands were tied up above her head, but they weren't tied to anything. So she was just laying there with her hands above her head. She could have easily moved them down. But she was just found like, fucking, you know. So she wasn't tied up.

She could move completely. Yes, I mean, she was tied together by herself. Like her hands were tied together and her ankles were tied together. But she said that she got knocked unconscious at the end. Oh, what? And when they found her, her hands were tied above her head. When it's just not a natural way to lay down, like literally lay on your bed right now,

and then hold your hands, but then put them above your head. Yeah, that's weird. It's just weird, especially uncomfortable with zip ties. Yeah. It's so easy to bring them down. So just keep that in mind, right? So that's when Detective Dimitri tells the whole team about his suspicions about Brittany and everyone's like, you know, you know for a fact that this could literally end our entire team's careers, right?

Like not just you, not just me, but that fucking receptionist in the front that Janet, I'm talking to everyone. Like everyone. This is, this is one of the most high profile cases of Bethesda. And you want to be like, nah, there's not two victims, there's just one. Like, you're crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. And so they're like, okay, like not there's not two victims. There's just one like you're crazy That's crazy and so they're like okay, like we need to try our best We need to not question Brittany like a murder suspect but just catch her in small lives, you know

If we catch her in small lives then we can move on to the bigger ones without anyone being like oh how dare you? What are you doing? Yeah, and so that's when they decided to question her again. And the small line that they were trying to catch her on was like, hey, have you ever seen Jaina's car? Like, do you know what it looks like? Do you know the color of it, the make, model, everything? And she said, well, I think I only saw like once before that night, I don't really, not really. So she's like, never giving you a ride home.

You've never been inside of her car. Oh, nope. Yeah. I have never been inside of her car Nope, I have never been inside of her car. Okay said Brittany in Orwood So she's there like then why is your hat and your blood in her car? Oh, shit and she said I don't know and she said but I got to go and she just practically just like okay Well, I don't really know what you're talking about so buy and

I mean it was really hard because that's not really a smoking gun and again like imagine if they're wrong Imagine if they're wrong. Yeah, so even in a low profile case where it's just a suspect not even a victim You've got to be sure before you even try to do some crazy shit, right? But now think a victim high profile case you can't do this so they just kind of try to do some crazy shit, right? But now think of victim high profile case. You can't do this. So they just kind of let her go for a second, right? So she leaves the police station and this feeling is just growing inside of them. And then finally, all of a sudden, they were going to bring Brittany back in for

another questioning, but Brittany calls them up. And she's like, actually, I'd like to call him because I remembered something, you know, I was showering and I remembered something about the crime. This is the thing with criminals who are fake victims. It's the fact that they just want to talk about it too much. Like sometimes they be doing the most. No, but she had to cover it up. Oh, that's true, yeah.

Like she knows, like imagine you walk out of police station and just being questioned all these things that you don't have an answer to. Now your brain just constantly trying to make up something to make it work. Yeah, well her brain obviously doesn't work that hard because this is gonna be the dumbest thing you've ever heard. Now Brittany comes into the police station on her own free will

and she came with her older sister Marissa and her older brother Chris, I believe. I believe they're older than her, but Marissa and Chris came with her and they start questioning Brittany and the interrogation room alone. And she said that actually I remember that night. So they had said, you know, people are going to notice the car in the front. So they wanted me to look for Janus Keys.

And I found the keys and they told me to drive it away into a around the block and park it. Yeah, and they said that they were gonna watch me from the store and if I do anything or if I stopped to talk to anyone that they were gonna kill me. And they were like, um, did one of them get in the car with you? No. Hooo!

So you could have gone to the police. Actually, I saw a cop drive fight, but I was just so scared. So you could have done anything? No, I couldn't because they said that they knew my address. Wait, what? You never mentioned that before. These two random masked men who were robbing your store. Oh my god. New your home address?

Yes, they knew my home address. And they said that if I told anyone, if I even looked at someone the wrong way on my drive to that parking lot, they would kill me. That's so stupid. They would kill me, okay? Um, what? I just like love to see police reaction when you're interviewing someone or interrogating someone who you knew damn well they're making up stories just on the spot.

The interrogation tapes are released, it's really good. Are you serious? It gets worse, okay. And then so she's sitting there and they're like, so, so how did you get back to the like you literally? Okay, first of all, is she like making up this shit on the spot? No, it seems like she went home and made this up and like that's what Even crazier the fact that she went home and made this up The fact that she didn't even it's crazy And so she they're like we're not even gonna talk about the fact that she didn't call the police or anything like that

Okay, like let's just I have no words. I literally have no words. No words. Uh, okay. So they're like, so how did you get from the cart, the Lululemon store? Well, I walked back. Oh shit. See, so you walked three blocks from the cart, the Lululemon store, and by by this point you had, you had the gash on your head, right? And like you were bleeding a little bit somewhere? Yeah.

Did you, for three blocks, did you pass anyone on your way? Oh, yeah, but nobody, nobody, I guess, cared. Okay, so you saw people, you didn't ask them for help and they didn't ask if you were okay because they didn't care. Oh my god. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so Brittany, why don't you just run us from the top again? Why don't you just tell us again exactly everything that's happened?

And that's when they realized that for the third time all the little details in her story that first made her seem like a credible witness. Uh-huh. They were all there, exactly the same. That's weird. What do you mean? Police say it's alarming when your story changes. It's even more alarming when it almost seems like your story is the same word for word,

detail by detail. Like the word you use. At a single time. Or sometimes if you retell the story multiple times, you might omit a detail once in a while. But the fact that it's just exactly the same. That's a little weird. And so finally, there's two cops in the room. One of them just goes, listen.

You gotta tell us what really happened. Because I know what really happened. Brittany says, I told you what happened. No, no, no. What you have done is you've concocted an incredible story that just doesn't make sense. Your injuries are self-inflicted. It's incredible that you want me or anyone to believe that you're just lying with your hands over your head like this.

Overnight, that's posed, you know that right? Nobody's gonna believe this story. Nobody. He doesn't believe it. My boss doesn't believe it. I don't believe it. When I tell your sister and your brother outside, they're not gonna believe it. When I go and call your mom and dad, they're not gonna believe it. And her response to all of this is... Can I just go home? What? And so the police are like, oh my lordy, so they go outside and the police present all of the evidence first to the sister Marissa.

And Marissa, she looks at all the evidence and she almost like loses it. Like it seems like she believes it, she just starts crying, she just, they can't really use her to help with the case, right? Now, Chris, on the other hand, her older brother, is presented with all of this evidence, and he's like, yeah, it's not really convincing, you know? There must be a reason for all of this, I don't really believe it, right? Believe who, the sister?

No, the police, they're like, yeah, well, I mean, yeah, she seems a little sus, but she's definitely not the imposter. You know, it's just, like, I get why you think that, but nah, like there's so many things that, yeah, it's just not, I don't believe you. So Chris is not believing the police, right? And so that's when they bring in Chris into Britney's interrogation room.

And the whole time, they're still telling Chris, no, like your sister murdered Jaina. And the whole time, Britney's either denying it or she's just staying silent and at one point Britney looks really emotional. So the cops are like okay this is our time let's go. So the police leave Chris and Britney alone. I'm so upset by this. Wait what do you mean like in the middle of the conversation they see she's getting emotional? Like she's just staring at the ground but she looks emotional.

So they wanna leave them to talk? Yes, because they have, you guessed, a video camera isn't everything, right? So they wanna see if something will happen, right? Because if she's emotional, she might tell it to her brother and not the police. And that's still evident? Yes, oh shit.

Now, what's crazy to me is that if you go into an interrogation room, don't you for one freaking second Think that you're not being recorded Okay, like you could walk into a store and they could be recording you, okay? You better believe that the interrogation room is recording you They probably have a microphone on your fucking chair. They could probably hear when you fart. Listen. I'm telling you They have no idea so the cameras and the mics were picking everything up. And there was just a team, follow police officers in the next room watching this.

Like I'm just imagining a tiny little scream and just like 50 people watching it. Like it was a lot of people watching. Isn't there like two way one side of mirror or something? I don't think they have the one side of mirror. Okay. Okay. And so the cameras are recording all of this. And Brittany, the whole time can be heard saying,

do you think they're recording us? Do you think they can hear us? Do you think they're listening to us? And Chris looks at her and so confidently says, no, I've looked. There's no recording devices in the room. Oh, yeah, Chris, because it's just going to be a big, big, big, little camera. It it's gonna be a youtuber vlog setup with the tripod and everything like really Chris really Chris

Oh my god, and so Chris the entire time he's sitting there and he's like did you do this and Britney literally says I don't want to talk about it here. I just will talk about it when we get home and Chris is like I'm fairly certain You're not leaving like I'm pretty sure they're not gonna let you go home Huh, and she's like I just don't want anyone to be disappointed in me And Chris is like I'll never be disappointed in you, right? I'm your family. We're brother, right? And he even says Brittany I'm not gonna fucking rat you out But you need to tell me because I don't think you're going home

And if we need a defense attorney just tell me it's gonna be a shit storm just tell me because I don't think you're going home. And if we need a defense attorney, just tell me, it's gonna be a media shit storm. Just tell me. And so he even says, literally on camera, you have to tell me, like that evidence is really convincing. I know I said in front of the police, it's not convincing, but like Brittany, the evidence that they have on you is really convincing. And so the police are just in the next room,

like hell yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. And Brittany's just like, I don't know, I'm sorry. And that's when Chris goes, was it shoplifting? Which is a very odd reaction to have, yes? We'll see that one more time. Chris says, was it shoplifting? What does that freaking mean?

What does that mean? Let me tell you what that means. So the police also did some digging, right? And I did some digging. And let me tell you about a story about when Brittany was on her college soccer team. This was the university team. This is a big deal. She finally made it on to this.

She had worked all through high school to get onto this team out through college. This was the best thing ever. Her team was nice. They were all very amazing. They were all great athletes. This was the best thing ever. Her team was nice. They were all very amazing. They were all great athletes. There was so much team energy. And then there started to be locker room issues. Things started to go south because a lot of the soccer

girls on that team, they were suddenly missing some lip glosses here and there, some earrings here and there, some clothes here and there, some loose cash here and there, some wallets here and there, but it was weird because they realized we've never had this problem until we got the new girl Britney. And so they're like, you know what, let's just confront her because we can't have this

energy in our locker room, it's not good for our games, it's not good for us as a team, and so they confront Britney and she completely broke down, she apologized over and over again and the whole team they forgave her but I mean definitely they just stopped really hanging out with her. They didn't hang out with her outside of practice. She didn't actually even get to play as much because nobody really trusted her anymore so any time she was out on the field there was just like this mistrust between the teammates which is just really bad right and it seems like it was adrenaline motivated because like I said her family was doing well, like if she wanted things, like small things, she wasn't stealing fucking

Cartier earrings from the red carpet, she was just stealing like literal just tiny little earrings, some hoop earrings here and there, some clothes, some lip gloss Lip gloss! That's crazy. And so she had a falling out with all of her teammates and this just took a very big mental toll on her. Now another story you have to know about Brittany is her hairdresser story. So Brittany had stolen a full weave of hair from the salon that she goes to, a full set of hair. How are these stories shared by police or by families? By the people who came forward and talked about it afterwards, right?

Okay. And I mean, it's crazy. Like, how do you steal away from the salon? And it was put into her head. She's like, okay, listen. The hairdresser is explaining that she had installed all of the hair into Brittany and everything was going really well. Then when it came to the payment time, Brittany was like, oh my god

I had left my purse in your little waiting room and someone stole a Thousand dollars worth of cash for my wallet. What kind of hair salon is this? This is disgusting. I can't even Chiras to put my oh my god. Was it an employee? to put my, oh my God, was it an employee? Was it another customer? And so the hair stylist, she was so embarrassed and she felt so bad that she just kind of let her go and Brittany was like, you know what, thanks. Like I'll come back with some money later

but you should really check the cameras or something like that, right? And so the hair stylist is like, that is so weird. So she starts talking to our manager like, hey, do you think that one of the employees is stealing? You know, I was working with this client blah, blah, blah. And they checked the cameras, nothing had happened. They also talked to the receptionist

who was just sitting there in front of the purse. The whole time, never got up. So it wasn't like another customer had just dug into her wallet. But also, who leaves their purse in the waiting area? I've never heard that. It's not one of those check back sections. No, she just left it on a chair. Oh, that's weird. So like all of it was just weird. And so she was like, it's okay.

But like she said that she was going to bring me like money. I think she like gave her a little bit of a discount for all the inconvenience. But she was going to bring me the money, but she never came back and blocked them on Facebook. And like any other forms of communication. Okay, this is really weird. Really weird, right? And then, Brittany, in 2007, she actually got into a relationship with a dentist

that lasted for a little over a year. And he came out to the police and said that during that entire year she constantly physically assaulted him and then he ended up getting a new girlfriend and she would stalk him and the new girlfriend. The new girlfriend moved into the house that he lived in and Brittany literally broke into the house that they lived in and stole a watch, clothing, jewelry, a phone and some other things. They both filed a restraining order. things they both filed a restraining order

yeah they both filed a restraining order and they were granted so the police had you know an idea about all of this that was going on because it's all on her record and then two weeks later even without restraining order the dentist and his girlfriend walk out of the office holding hands and she's sitting in front of the office in her car watching them at the dentist office And it's not even like a dentist office. That's like in a big mall, right? So she's more than just shoplifting. Yeah Also a stalker. Yeah, and so they rush back into the office and they're like we got to come up with a plan Okay, like put your little keys between your fingers, you know all of that little

Self-defense stuff and then we're gonna book it to our car So they book it to the car and they're like thank thank God. And they start driving when they see that Brittany is following them. So they're like, oh my gosh. So they make it home. They had called the police and the police come up and they it was like a brief thing. There was like an arrest warrant arrest warrant out for her in 2008. Yeah, she had an arrest warrant out for her. And so the interrogation continues, now that you know about the whole shoplifting thing, because it was so confusing just to watch the interrogation and him be like, was it the shoplifting? Like, what do you mean? That's not a... Like, could you imagine? Your... someone's like your sister just killed

someone and they're like, is it the shoplifting? Like, that's not a good question to ask Chris. That's what that means. And so Chris literally asks, why did you fight her? What did she do to make you fight her? What's the question? So, let's sort of, so he asked, is it the shoplifting? Yeah. Did she respond?

She said, no, she said no. And then Chris goes, why did you fight her then? So Chris is right now is already assuming that she killed her. Yeah. And he's also like, what did she do to make you fight her then? So Chris is right now is already assuming that she killed her. Yeah, and he's also like, what did she do to make you fight her? It makes it seem like Jaina did something so horrendous that warranted Brittany to stab her 331 times plus more. Right, right, right. Brittany was just heard saying, no, I really forgot my wallet.

This is very pertinent to trial later, right? And Chris says, so she caught you stealing. And she says, no, I really forgot my wallet. And that's when Chris looks at her and he says, okay, I have a plan. This is, I'm not even telling you. He says, I have a plan. First of all, you can't plead insanity because you've talked to too many people,

all these police and all those doctors know that you're not insane. Number two, we have to somehow lie and make it seem like she attacked you. So I don't know how you're gonna work this story because you already tried to cover it up. It's gonna be really hard. We're gonna need a really good defense attorney and we're so embarrassing. Yeah, it's really embarrassing. And we're gonna make it seem like she attacked you. Okay. Can you imagine? And Brittany starts crying and she just says, I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do.

A lot of people on Reddit had a problem with this one. Why? Because I didn't know what to do with something you say when you freeze. Like you have a moment of like, but I didn't know what to do. So I just stopped her. 350 times.

I was the problem. It's her deal with that. Like she literally went on a torture spree. Yeah. And she just said that Jaina said she'll tell a manager. That's all she said in the interrogation room. We're going to find out everything that happened. Totally.

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slash Rotten and then Chris says something else that's just beyond dumb. That's just so beyond So Chris looks at Brittany and he says every time you lie you look down to the left Which means you're lying so look to the right when they talk to you like when they ask you a question when you answer You should look to the right like why don't you look at that red button over there? I know this trust me because I lie all the time He literally said I cannot He literally said that. I cannot.

You can't. Okay. Still like a first of all, first of all, the fact that you just say that probably like, I know this thing is like lie all the time. And the second of all that he thinks that this, this is like, I have so many pickles to pick about this. This whole look into the right or the left thing.

I've seen so many, there's this one person who actually breaks down like even a forensic analyst who breakdown stuff not just body language but they also break down like blood spatter in house there's so much room for error it's just like such a weird youtube tylo pes type of um yeah it's like it's not one size fits off yeah it's like look to the right So they'll think that your end is said like like I feel like at this point all the cops just okay Let's just sit here for two hours and see what else happens, right? They're like we might even end up arresting the brother by the end of this

We're just arresting Christ Like it's just a lot and so finally at the end of that Brittany was arrested because by this point they had a lot of evidence even the fact that she was you know when you're behind closed doors and you assume that the cops aren't listening and someone asks you if you murdered someone and you just say we'll talk about it when we get home it's just not good and they thought that she was a huge flight risk. So they arrested her on the spot. Now, but that is that when they find out about this, this town, I mean, this is turning into a shit show. So during all of this, during the process of arresting her

and trying to find the perpetrators, the murder, there were like no woman closing at night. Like all of the women in most of the retail stores on Bethesda Road were opening shifts. Some of them were so scared traumatized. I mean, can you imagine? Yeah. And it seemed so random and just chaotic. And if it could happen to Lou the lemon, it could happen to fricking anywhere. Yeah. So they're freaking out.

And now they're realizing, wait, that victim, that all of these retail workers and just regular community people were rallying behind. Was the murder? We thought we were looking for some fucking racist, okay? For a suffrican robbers, some ripest, some, and you're telling me, it was just Britney. It was just one of the girls. Like how the, it was insane and Brittany is a pretty petite girl, which really scared a lot of people because I think honestly that the police just didn't even cross their mind in the beginning.

It could be Brittany because how tiny Brittany is. I mean, she's athletic, but she's small. Now, Jaina's family found out about Brittany's guilt in all of this on their way to Janice funeral. And this shattered and horrified their family because the family actually wanted to send Britney flowers at the hospital to thank her for trying to save their daughter. And to let her know it's not your fault,

like don't have survivor's guilt. And we sympathize with what you're going through. But Britney told them that she didn't want any flowers, so they didn't. But they were just horrified at the fact that they felt for this girl, that they were emotional for this girl, that they even felt thankful, like, that she, you know, because she said that she tried and it was all her fault and she felt so bad and there was so much blood. So Brittany was, you know, in jail for seven months awaiting her trial and all of her phone calls were recorded. And guess what? All she talks about is her hair and nails. Seven months in prison, she's just like, God, I just want to get my nails

turned again. God, my hair is so messy. I just need more hair. Like, I don't know what's going on in my hair. They don't give me enough hair products in here. They don't even mean now I'm punished. Yeah. Okay. The police were shocked that for seven months, all of our phone calls were practically just about our hair and nails. They were just like, this is insane, right? It's so weird.

Now, everyone wanted her to be charged with first degree murder and they were trying to seek life in prison without the possibility of parole, which is the harshest punishment that they could get, right? And I mean, I was insane because it's just to who's to say that nobody's going to do this again to her. Like, what happened here was not this crazy once in a lifetime incident. This is literally someone accusing her of shoplifting and she savagely murders them. And that's literally what life is, is like people disagreeing with you and maybe sometimes accusing you of small things that you didn't do and you don't go and you brutally stop them.

Yeah, exactly. So is that end of the story? Oh no, we're going to the trial. So Jane's family was actually given the option of a plea deal to offer Brittany because they were like, listen, if it's too much to sit through this trial, like, you're gonna hear about everything in this trial. Every wound, we're probably gonna go over it, where you're gonna hear everything. And Janice Family said that they needed it. They needed the full trial and they needed to know exactly what happened. So the trial starts.

And there was a lot of just shocking jaw-dropping moments. So first of all, this was not the first Lulu Lemon that Brittany was working in. Brittany had actually worked at the Georgetown location and she was fired for suspected shoplifting. Uh-huh. What is her issue? I think it's just a mixture of things. I wouldn't say that it's 100% adrenaline based.

I would say it's a mixture of her just being really materialistic. I think it's also the fact that, you know, she was working at Lululemon. They're not known to pay a lot. And all of her family members, I don't, I think they were getting sick of her shit. Like she was 28. All of her other siblings were like freaking business consultants, you know, engineers. And I think it was hard for her to ask her family for money for all the expensive things that she wanted Or see yeah, it was weird. Well, maybe that's what she mentioned her hair Yeah, but that's the store actually had a whole thing ready to fire her They had talked to upper corporate levels of little women the managers and they were just waiting to catch her in the act of stealing

So that they could fire her because firing someone is not an easy task of the lemon, the managers, and they were just waiting to catch her in the act of stealing so that they could fire her. Because firing someone is not an easy task. I mean, you're talking about possible potential lawsuits. You're talking about lots of crazy, weird unemployment shit that could go down. So they're just like, if you think that she's stealing, you need to make sure. Like you can't just accuse people of doing that. And all the girls that she was working with, like they were getting frustrated because

they're like, every day I leave anything in the break room, I'm missing money, I'm missing things out of my purse. You know, one of the girls said that she was wearing this new perfume that she had brought to work. I mean, that's very normal. I would bring perfume to work too when I worked in retail. So she was wearing this new perfume. She had it in her purse.

Brittany walked by and was like, you smell really good today. And she was like, oh, thank you. I got a new perfume. And that day, at the end of her shift, her perfume was it in her purse. Britney walked by and was like, you smell really good today. And she was like, oh, thank you. I got a new perfume. And that day, at the end of her shift, her perfume was missing from her purse. That's ridiculous. So she's like, are you serious? But obviously she can't accuse Britney. And then the next, like, I think it was like a day or two later, she's back on her shift. She goes into the break room and she sees that perfume sitting and Britney's purse. I mean what's the coincidence that Britney loves her perfume it goes missing and now Britney has perfume. I mean sure maybe Britney went and bought her own perfume but I highly doubted and so

the other girls are like God we're missing like money and all these things and Britney was being watched so prior to this murder, like the night before, all the managers had a conference and they said that the minute that she gets caught, she's getting fired. They just didn't have CCTV footage. It's crazy. Now that night, Jaina actually was not supposed to be working that shift. She had swapped with another manager. And so Jaina just happened to be the manager on that shift. It could have been any manager honestly and Jaina so what they do in retail Well in some places I think I did this only in like one or two places of the place that I worked

You just open your bag like if you brought a lunch bag or a purse you open your bag and all the closing shift They all look around into each other's purses We don't like go through it and like stick our hand in there and be like what's that? What's that right? Well, we just't like go through it and like stick our hand in there and be like, what's that? What's that, right? Well, we just kind of look through it and it's like, okay, well, let's hope that you didn't fucking steal a necklace in there, right? And you're just kind of a glance that you do.

Mm. I sound so suspicious. I sound like I didn't do my job well. I'm like, I'm just kidding. I questioned them. I strip search them. I'm just kidding. And so they were doing that when Jaina checked her bag and it was a quick glance and she's

like, wait a second, are those black yoga pants in your bag? And she said, yeah, I bought them today and she's like, oh, can I see? So this was also very common in retail is that if you buy something from the store, you have to keep your receipt because that night when you leave, you show people the receipt. Like, oh, I actually am a paying customer today, you know. This story is told by her? This story is told by the other managers because they actually got a call on Jane as way home the first time. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. And so Jane had seen that she had black yoga pants in her bags. So she's like, oh,

can I just see her receipt for those? And she's like, oh, can I just see her receipt for those? And she's like, oh, well, I don't have my receipt. And the yoga pants still have their tags on. And so she's like, okay, like, did you steal these? Brittany's like, no, no, I literally bought them today. You can call this other manager. Like I literally bought them from her today. I swear.

And so Jane goes, okay, and she calls her. Oh my God, you're part of her. The other manager is like, no, like that never happened. That transaction, you can look it up in the system, that never happened. So she tells Brittany that she's gonna have to tell the manager of Rachel, who was opening the next day. And I'm really sorry, but I have to tell Rachel. This is just

it is what it is and they go their separate ways and Jaina told Brittany like we're gonna deal with this tomorrow with Rachel and yeah I'll just see you tomorrow. Now that's when a little bit later Brittany calls Jaina back saying that she forgot her wallet. Oh my gosh. The police believe that this shows another level of premeditation. She's just frantically thinking about how do I get Jane a back? How do I get Jane a back, right? And if you really think about it, she's killing someone over a pair of yoga pants, over a pair of Lulu Llamon yoga pants.

That's fucking crazy. This is one of the most insane reason to murder someone. Right. And the prosecutor and the police, they had to work down the timeline. And they said that the crime probably began with Jaina being hit on the back of the head with what seems to be a metal rod. And then they suspect that Jaina ran towards the front of the store knocking things over. That's why you have some disarray in the front of the store, caught by Brittany before she could reach the front door. And then that's when Jaina escaped and ran to the back. And during all of this running, Brittany was like cutting her up.

And so she was bleeding everywhere. And that explains the bloody handprint on the back door with the key inside. So I guess maybe, you know know she's trying to leave and then she was dragged into the hallway where she was savagely murdered then after she was murdered Brittany went to move Jane's car because it was parked in a no parking zone and it would be noticed drove to a lot three blocks away sat in the car for what we can determine to be about an hour, coming up with her plan.

Goes back into the little lemon, puts on those men's shoes because she's not about it in the car. How do I get away with this? So she put on those little men's shoes, size 14, and re-walked over her footsteps. So it kind of made sense, right? Then she washed off those shoes, put them back on the shelves, threw some clothes around, you know, and then she proceeded to slash up her own body with the razor blade. That's psychotic. Yeah. And then she tied herself up with zip ties

and placed them over her head, literally her tight up pants. She smacked her head too. Yeah. them over her head, literally her tight up pants. Just my her head too. Yeah. And set there till the morning. Jane is dad who is a really big dude. He's a special forces soldier or he was. So you're talking like buff big man. And while he was listening to this,

I mean, people were just so sad. Because this just strong guy who literally served our country and you're like, wow, he just looks so tough, right? His shoulders were just shaking and he was just sobbing. Jaina's family was just utterly broken, listening to this. Just like utterly broken.

Why does she torture her though? I don't know, she just seems very evil and psycho. I hate saying that because it sounds really almost like a casual term people throw around. But I think she has psychopathic tendencies. And I don't know what that stalker story, like how this would relate to her person. She's got issues. And I don't mean to say that.

And it's just like, oh, she's not. She's crazy. But like genuinely, I think she is a psychopath. Crazy. And her defense was that she just lost it and went nuts. And it was just a crime of passion. So her defense attorney was hoping that she would get second-degree murder, which

is just not premeditated. You lose control. You're so angry. What in the world? You know, but it just didn't make any sense. The Apple employees ended up testifying. And the judge even told them straight up to their face, like, in the world? You know, but it just didn't make any sense. The Apple employees ended up testifying and the judge even told them straight up to their face like, what the fork? How can you ignore something like that?

Like let that sit with you for the rest of forever. Like the judge was not having it with those Apple employees. They were like, oh, you just thought it was a little girl drama. Okay, cool. Like what are you talking about? Wow. Now, during all of this, the judge went home one day and he grabbed something and went to his table and he banged it on his table, 331 times.

Bang what on the table? Like a little stick. Oh he okay. And he never paused. He didn't chase anyone down. He didn't grab a new thing to bang on the table or a new weapon. And it took him over 10 minutes to bang that little stick on the table, 331 times. And Jaina was alive for all of it. So imagine how long it took for her to go get a new weapon.

Go get a wrench, go get a box cutter, chase her down, grab a holder down. I mean, this must have taken quite some time. Literally torturing her coworker. And to this day, we don't know exactly how long it took, we just speculate it took a long time. And the fact that the judge did this really, I think, played a huge toll and a huge just everything in the sentencing of it because the judge brought this up like it took me 10 minutes just to 331 times. Like that's insane. So the judge said you know to Brittany herself you're a hell of a liar and an entire community was terrorized because of you. And she was obviously found guilty.

January 2012, sentencing began for Brittany and she was asking for mercy. She was like, I'm so sorry, I don't mean to do it. And she was like judged if you just give me a chance. Which is crazy because if you think about it, like Jaina was literally asking her, according to the Apple employees, like, let's just talk. She did not give Jaina a chance.

I feel like, you know, like when Jaina was getting that phone call, if there was any suspicion of, oh man, that's so alarming. Like, she's probably that girl is so defensive. She was so trigger earlier. Now she's like forgetting her wallet Come back this and that I wonder if she's ever thought about Fuck This might not be the best idea. Oh God Yeah, and so the judge looked at her and said that yeah, thanks, but um, you're the representation of worst human behavior Like if there was a poster child for disgusting

Human traits and human behavior. it's Brittany Norwood. So no, apology not really accepted, but thanks. And she was given life without the possibility of parole. At the Bethesda location, Lulu Lemon, they actually have stained glass windows on the top of their storefront. So like the like the part that you see immediately they they have the like the mannequins and stuff but on top they have this really beautiful stained glass and it sells it spells love in there and that was a memorial for Jaina and they also have a picture of her doing yoga inside as a memorial. Let me know in the comments what are your thoughts on this and like how did she think she's gonna? I just have so many questions the apple employees. I got questions. Okay. How did she think she was gonna get away with this?

I got questions the car thing I got the coincidences of those two dudes walking the bus boys walking away. I got questions I got so and Chris. I don't know what Chris is doing these days. Let me know what are your thoughts on this case and Does this make you scared of your co-workers? I'm scared of mine my co-host. I gotta go. I love you guys and I'll see you guys next week. Bye. Bye