Rotten Mango - #25- The Baby Farm Killer (Case of Gary Heidnik)

Episode Date: November 26, 2020

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Listen, it's Thanksgiving week and I just want to say you guys are probably listening to this the day before Thanksgiving and happy freaking Thanksgiving. This used to be my freaking favorite holiday. Mainly like 100% for the family, the food, the friends, and absolutely nothing to do with the colonization of the United States of America before it was the United States of America. But I love Thanksgiving, so I'm really excited, and I hope you guys are excited to stay safe out there. But today I decided to do a story

that has been highly requested. And for some reason, it freaks me out. There's a detail in here that I just could not to come to face and This entire story has to do with baby farms a baby farm. You ever heard of a baby farm before? What's baby? It's like a doggy meals for babies. Yeah, uh-huh So I'm sure that there's like a more appropriate way and reason that baby farms are created, whether it be for, I don't know, like trafficking reasons, or for adoption agencies, like illegal adoption agencies, who are not trying to provide best homes for the orphans,

but literally just making babies so that they can sell them on the black market. I'm sure there's a lot of those out there, yeah. But these, these in particular, we're talking about a one-man baby farm. A man grows up and he says, what do you wanna be in life? You know says what do you want to be in life? You know what do you want to grow? What do you see yourself doing when you grow old?

You know most people would say I want to be an astronaut Nobody says that anymore It's like a really specific really difficult to Profession to get into like I want to be a doctor a to profession to get into. Like I wanna be a doctor, a YouTuber maybe, right? But nobody is like, I wanna be the father of a bajillion children. Like I want to have as many kids as humanly possible

up until one of 14. Do you like responsibility? But that's the weird thing. The reason that a lot of people have baby farms is very confusing. So in 2014, there was this huge scandal that broke out and I had to do with the Japanese man. Now this Japanese man is not just a regular Japanese man. He is actually the eldest son of a Japanese tech billionaire. So just by sitting

there, just by breathing air, he gets millions of dollars of dividends hand at him on a yearly basis. So he's just by being alive, he makes millions of dollars. He's not even putting in work. So the dude is financially very, very capable, right? And his entire dream in life, his name is Mitsutoki Shigerda, right? So he said, I'm gonna get him. That was dumb. So his entire goal was to have over a thousand kids

and the reason that he wants to have these kids is because he wants a big family, but he also said that he would run for an election and win by letting his children vote for him. Now I don't know about you. But if you have, if you're depending on 1,000, have you had his company maybe not like for politics, you know. He wants to win by win the company. Yeah, like that's very key trauma. Like the company you got to have board members vote for you. Maybe that's what he's talking about.

And I was thinking like politics and I was like really, if you're nitpicking over a thousand votes right now, but also, have you ever had children? They can turn on you, okay? Like half those kids are voting for you. Half those kids are undecided voters. It's weird, okay. Anyways, continuing.

So this guy, he decided to get a bunch of Syracites and his goal was to have 15 kids a year. Yeah, uh-huh. I thought there's a limit on how many kids you can have, Lizo. I don't think so. Like in the sperm bank. Oh, he kept them in his house.

Also, he's doing this like- He said he froze his prime time sperm and he was keeping them in his house I don't know if he was using like a fucking Samsung or a thermidor freezer But uh or like a industrial maybe he bought I don't know what do millionaires do with their time like maybe he bought one of those crazy sperm Freezers, I think you got you need more than a refrigerator I'm like you need I'm like he got one one of those skincare refrigerators, and he just stashed it all in there in the little ziplock bags,

and he was like, this will do, this is good, I don't know. So the reason that he got caught was because in his bank cock apartment, he had this massive upscale apartment in Thailand. And so a lot of like, Asians known to get circuits from Thailand and the Philippines because it's a little bit more affordable. Like if you can't conceive on your own, you probably would go, it's like getting a nose job in Korea

rather than Beverly Hills, it's a little bit cheaper. And so that's kind of where he had all of his circuits. The police actually busted his Bangkok apartment and they found just like this empty apartment with just baby cribs, baby diapers filled with everything baby but like nothing else. Like there was no evidence of parents living here with 13 kids and 13 separate nannies who live there taking care of each kid. Dan. And he was just waiting them waiting for them to get old.

Why is he getting busted? Is that illegal? Um, they just thought it was weird. Yeah. And so he had to go to them to get old. Why is he getting busted? Is that illegal? They just thought it was weird. Yeah, and so he had to go to court to get custody of those kids. And the court gave him custody, full custody of all 13 kids because I mean technically he is loaded. He doesn't have a history of like abusing children or anything.

It genuinely doesn't seem like he created these kids so that he could abuse them. He just, so he wants to have a thousand kids. Yeah. But he's 13 in. I think he's like 20 in. He's 20 in. Yeah.

He got, he got 880 more to go. Oh, that was quick math. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's really hard to say. But also I was thinking about, have you thought about how much it cost to raise a kid? That's what I thought too. This is the thing, right?

I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's high. He has hasn't any for each of them. God damn. And he had to get circuits, which like that's pricy. Also like to get sperm in your little freezer and then to impregnate someone using that sperm, I'm sure is a medically expensive treatment. You can't just be like, here,

I stick this Ziploc bag inside yourself. Wait, so instead of just doing it the natural way, you know what I mean? He went through like a surgical way. Because if you do it the natural way, then the moms can get custody. Serious, you're signing away all rights to that kid. Yeah, so like if he went on to them streets and was like, listen, I'm looking for 13 baby mamas, you know, these moms, they have a say in how these kids are raised and they probably get joint custody. But when it's surrogate, it's like, hey, they're all mine.

I see. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I mean, I'm glad that he got custody because I mean, it seems like his family is a very prominent family and they have no history of like abusing children. But also, it seems really sad because it doesn't seem like he wanted just like a big ass family. He was like, I just want my Christmas to be the best, you know? It just was like a means to an end of maybe overthrowing his dad and getting his multi-billion dollar company. I have no idea. It's just so strange. And I think maybe coming from me. So this entire, this entire podcast, keep in mind. I'm not really a kid person. I love kids.

I just don't trust myself around kids. I'm, I'm clumsy. That is it. I just don't trust them. I love kids, but I don't trust them. They're really size, okay? They do be size on a daily basis. No, I just don't like, they make me nervous because I'm really clumsy. And then it's like this tiny little human. They just seem so fragile. And then like, I don't like, they make me nervous because I'm really clumsy and it's like this tiny little human They just seem so fragile and then like I don't know like what if they're like can you play hide and seek with me?

And then like I just lose them for like an hour and then they're just emotionally traumatized for the rest of their lives And they'll remember back like oh my god like I played hide and seek and she fucking forgot and like was I fat I came out two hours later and she was watching TV and like I'm emotionally traumatized from that experience I don't know I just I feel like that is way too much pressure. So this is a little bit harder for me to understand. Baby farms. Let's get into probably one of the most notorious, almost serial killers who wanted to run his own baby farm. Now there is a little bit of religion involved.

And it's kind of a cult. Now, our most religions cults, and no, our most churches cults, and no, but I gotta just preface it because sometimes people get triggered. Let's get into Gary. Now, let's start with Josephina. I feel like I just want to drop you into the scene of the crime. I know a lot of podcasts these days have been starting with like the childhood, but no, I'm gonna take you straight to the crime. So Josephina, by the way, all of Gary's victims were African-American females. I Josephina, by the way, all of Gary's victims

were African-American females. I mean, it's gonna cause a lot of controversy later because there is a lot of things to be angry with, but we will get angry when the time comes. And so Josephina was the first victim of Gary Hydenick. Well, actually, maybe his multiple victims. So the experience is like this. She is a working prostitute at the time.

She was 25 years old. Her children were in foster care. Now, by the way, she is really outspoken about all of these things. So this is me gathering information that she has already given to the world personally. And, you know, her kids were in foster care at the time. And she was just going through it. Like, she was addicted to drugs. She couldn't find work that didn't involve sex work. And she didn't particularly love her life at the time. She was just trying to get herself together, but it's hard. Like, that's the thing with sex work. It's so hard. You're like in this revolving cycle of like, you're trying to get enough money to get out of it,

but in order to continue to do something that can be so traumatizing for women, you then depend on other things that then later prevent you from reaching your goals, such as drugs, right? And so she was kind of in this vicious cycle of prostitution, and that's when she's approached by a car carrying Gary Hydenick. And she said that he was tall. He had this brown hair. He looked just super freaking ordinary. Like there was nothing special about him. There was nothing creepy in his eyes. There was nothing in that moment that she was like, no, just a few now like freaking run and don't ever look back. Like, he absolutely did not look creepy in that way. And so he gets into the car.

She's in the car and he's like, listen, here's what I want. I want like full on consensual sex. And this is how much I'm going to pay for it. So she agrees on the price and she's like, well, where do you want to go? Like, do you want to get a motel room, you know, wherever we can go, wherever. And he says, well, can we actually go back to my house? I don't feel comfortable anywhere, but my house. Now, Josephina, this is a rule for her. She never

goes to clients house. Like, imagine how dangerous that is. Whereas like a motel, you've got other people, you check in, you've got cameras, someone's house, like they could literally just throw you into their basement and you're done for. And that's exactly what Gary is going to do. Yeah. And so she goes, she makes an exception. She goes to his house and they consensually have sex. Now this is the only time that they will consensually have sex. So she gets paid her money and as she's putting on her clothes, like her back is turned to him and he's like laying in the bed, she's putting on her clothes to walk out of this

house, he starts choking her, just choking her with his bare hands. She was knocked unconscious and then she woke up with handcuffs on her arm and he just kept saying things like shut up, like I'm not gonna hurt you, shut up and he dragged her into his basement There was like this massive music stereo playing in the basement that she couldn't even she couldn't even hear anything Like she was feeling so frazzled like it just was so much clouding her. And the whole time she just said she cannot believe that this is actually happening, like what the hell is happening, right? So she's in this really dark basement and it's not even, um, like, we're up in the south. So like, there's a lot of basements that were like finished and like, game rooms, you know, um, it's an unfinished basement.

So it was like dirt floors, you know, you can kind of see like the some walls and then some of them have just planks, you know. And it just was not a good environment. So at that point, he starts chaining her up. He's putting these clamps on her ankles and he's really meticulous about what he does. So he puts these clamps on her ankles and then he gets crazy glue

and he glues the clamp and the screws so that the screws can't be undone ever. So he's chaining her for good. For good. That's insane. Yeah, so he's like really chaining her up, right? And then he gets her chained up and throws her into a tiny little dug-in hole in the basement. This hole, it's really hard to call it a hole.

I mean, the whole time everyone calls it a whole because I feel like it's you know The victims they come out and say it's like a grave like it's not really a whole like when you think whole You're thinking of like one of those you know the scandal the TV show where they're like put them in the hole And it's like this deep you know cement well No, it's just like a mini grave So just a little little shallow Yeah, she barely fit No, it's just like a mini grave. So just a little shallow, great amount. Yeah, she barely fit.

She was like all crawled up to fit into that hole. And then he puts a wooden slab, like a dry and wooden slab on top of the hole, and then puts sandbags on top of that so she can't get out of this hole. So the whole time, I mean, she can't breathe. And she's screaming. She's like, what the hell is going on, right? And he would get so mad that she was making noise that he would pull the sandbags off of that hole Take the wooden plank off grab her by her hair

So that she was standing up and he would start beating her with a stick and he would say shut up Shut the fuck up like I'm not gonna hurt you like imagine getting beat with a stick and someone's like Hey shut up like I'm not gonna hurt you What do you mean? You're kind of hurting me a lot right now. I don't. And so most of the day should be inside the hole pretty much like 23 hours a day and the sandbags would be above the door. There was no way for her to escape. There was really nothing. Even if she were to escape that hole, she still heavily chained up to the basement. How is she going to get out of those chains, right? Yeah. And around 8 p.m. sometimes he would take her out and sometimes he would talk to her and

one of the things that he constantly kept talking to her about. Where's goals in life, you know? We all got goals and his goal was to have a bunch of women in his basement and make a bunch of kids. He wanted a baby farm. Now he claims to Josephina that the city wouldn't let him do that. The city. Any time he would have kids, the city would take away his kids. Now, this is either a conspiracy theory or this means that the city doesn't think you're a fit parent. And that is why they take away your kids, right? And so she's just sitting here listening to it. And so he says, yeah, because the city kept taking away my kids

I decided to make a basement torture chamber. So he went, he dug this tiny little hole He went and bought shackles. He went and bought chains and all these torture devices because he wanted a baby farm Yeah Yeah, and the whole reason he wanted a baby farm was because he was really big on the idea of impregnating women who would always look up to him So not only did he want these babies or these women to carry his babies But he wanted them to like respect him like very patriarchal misogynistic asshole You know, he was like I want these women that I'm just keeping in my dungeon to respect me. So his goal is more baby or more woman?

It seems like it's a little bit of both and it's very confusing. So like if you were to just take the woman thing, he sounds like a lot of other serial killers. He sounds like a sexual satist. He sounds like a kidnap, but he sounds disgusting. Like a misogynist. Like, you'll respect me and it's like, you kidnapped me. kid now, but he sounds just disgusting. Like a misogynist, like, you'll respect me. And it's like, you kidnapped me. Like, I don't, you know?

And all of those things, and then he added the whole baby thing to it. I mean, it's just so strange, right? And he wants all of these women who are impregnated with these child to be dependent on him. And they want, he wants them to treat him like a god. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so he claims to Josephina that he wanted at least 10 girls and he wanted them

all pregnant at the same time. Yeah, so I decided to look into the impregnation fetish because I'm like, this is weird. We haven't really talked about this. This isn't like something that comes up when you're researching serial killers. Like, oh, they freaking love impregnating people. Like, it's not necessarily if anything you're just leaving DNA as a serial killer or criminal, like it just doesn't make sense to me. And it's not even categorized as a sexual fetish.

Like a lot of the times like BDSM, like all of these other things, they are categorized as sexual fetishes. This one is categorized as a parapheria, which means that it's just an inclination some people have. And there's no technical name for it. They just call it the impregnation fetish or the conception fetish, right? And it means that you are purely interested in the conception interest of impregnating someone, the risk behavior or, like, yeah, the risk behavior or of possibly getting someone

pregnant. I don't get it. Like, they like the thrill of that. So if we go really deep into it, because I wanted to go on Reddit, because you know, all of this sounds interesting, but it's just wasn't scratching the itch that I was looking for.

I was like, I mean, I get it, but I don't really get it. Like, there's gotta be something more than like, I just don't like using condoms, because then you could just get on birth control, right? What is it about the impregnation fetish, right? I mean, it's the fetish of people not even wanting to be on birth control, right? What is it about the impregnation fetish, right? I mean, it's the fetish of people not even wanting to be on birth control. It's when men genuinely want to impregnate a woman.

There's a lot of erotic fiction that you can find online about it. And a lot of the times they describe it in very intense words, such as, you know, the mighty seed, talking about the sperm traveling. The mighty seed. Yeah, they would call it the mighty seed travels into the womb.

It's just, I mean, it's weird. It's not even, not weird, not judging. It's not even just like, oh, they did it without a condom. Woo-hoo, right? Rodog. But it was, it's very like, you know, like the mighty seed. And so I went on to Reddit, and there is actually an Ask Reddit about it, or I think it was either Ask Men or Ask Reddit, a sub, and a lot of people were posting like, what

is it with all of these videos on the hub and all of these like erotic fictions about impregnating people, like, as a sub thing? And a lot of guys responded and they said, I have that fetish and I think it has to do with this primal drive to procreate. Like something about it feels so animalistic. Like there's no, you know, thinking about like, wait, wait, wait, should I propose first?

Do not think it about, oh my god, like, okay, then I need to take some time off of work, I need to take paternity leave, you need to take maternity leave. It's just very primal So it takes away all the complications of starting a family and modern day society and you're just back to like this animalistic I'm a lizard brain. Let me just oh, okay, you know like that type of thing That's what they said right and they also said that having sex with the women Feels to them now again. This is know, some people's perspectives, not all.

They said that having sex with a woman feels like a victory, right? And, you know, dating someone feels like a victory, having sex with a person that you're dating feels like a victory. But the, some of these people who have this fetish say that then impregnating the person that you're dating feels like a victory. But some of these people who have this fetish say that then impregnating the person that they're dating or seeing feels like the ultimate conquering. Like it feels like, oh, I win. And all these other dudes lose because that's my baby.

That's freaking weird. And that's literally, I mean, some of the people said, and they said it's not serious. Like they're not going go out and like write people to get them pregnant. It's just like this thing that is, it's just a fetish. Okay. So it's very interesting.

Again, I think it's not that deep, right? I don't even think it's as deep as the ascredit. I honestly think it has more to do with maybe not using the condoms or contraception like that, but anyways, Gary had it deep. Gary was really into it. Gary wanted a baby farm. Most things in life are not simple, okay? This fetish is not simple. Most things that we talk about are not simple so I don't want to offend anyone who does have this fetish. You do you as long as everything is consensual

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Concentral line that's when you get to get shamed now. Let's talk about Gary Hyde Nick Gary Hyde Nick is a very interesting person so he was actually born over 22nd 1943 which um you were hearing this on a Wednesday, but we were actually filming this on his birthday. So... Wait, what? Today is his birthday, November 22nd. 1941. 1943. Oh, well, okay.

Yeah, but he's also dead. So he's born in November in Cleveland, Ohio, and he was the oldest of two kids. Now, he was born to Ellen and Michael, who are his parents, but by the time he was three years old, his parents divorced. And he was living with his mom, Ellen, until he was about seven years old. Now, it seems like something happened there where Ellen was just like, I can't do this, like I can't take care of both of these boys. So she had two sons with Michael, right? I can't take care of both of these boys, like I need help, this is too much. And so she gives up the children to be with Michael, who is his dad, right? I can't take care of both of these boys like I need help. This is too much. And so she gives up the children to be with Michael who is his dad, right?

And his dad had a new wife at this time. So he's got like, you know, his dad and his stepmom and you know, Gary says that there was a lot of emotional abuse in this house. That for the amount of time that he was there There was just a lot of shaming, a lot of humiliation, a lot of just, it wasn't fun, and a lot of it had to do with his constant bed wedding. Yes, we're back to bed wedding, which by the way, I looked into it this time, because I was like, I need to know. But like I said last time, there's animal cruelty, fire, and bed wedding.

Those are known as the triad of a serial killer. It's actually known as the McDonald triad, not to be confused with McDonald's, the fast food chain, but actually a psychologist whose last name was Mac Donald. So it's the McDonald Triad. I know. McDonald's the fast food chain is sitting there like the fuck?

Okay. So McDonald Triad, and it just means that if you show a tendency towards animal cruelty, starting fires, and wetting your bed in your teenage years, you've got, you know, the trifecta for being a homicidal raging maniac. It's not really nice, is it? But that is kind of exactly his theory. Now, it's linked to stress and anxiety, bedwetting. So once you pass the age of five,

so there's a chemical in your brain from age zero to five, where you don't know how to not pee when you're sleeping. It's unconscious. You just can't control it. It's not about self-control, right? So once 0 to 5, you don't have that. You don't you can't control. Yeah, and then once you turn 5 years old, I believe there's like this chemical that starts developing in your brain. However, there is a group of people who do have a condition where that chemical never developed. And so they will consistently wet their beds until they're much older. Now this is not to be confused with when you're too old and you can't control your batter or you had black you

know damaged on whether it was trauma or whatever happened right. So that's not to be confused. They just can't produce the chemical so they will constantly wet their beds even when they're like in their 20s. And this is really shitty because it is one of those things where a lot of people think that you have control over it. I feel like it's kind of similar to weight. Like a lot of the times people will look at it and be like, well, you just lack self control, but it's actually not like that at all.

So it is really serious, right? It's also linked to stress and anxiety. So let's say your brain does produce that chemical and you're like in your teenage years. If you have so much stress and anxiety, you may continue to consistently wet your bed. Now the reason that it's common in serial killers is not because they have a lack of control. That's what a lot of people thought. It's like, oh, they're wetting their bed because they don't care about consequences. They don't care about self-control.

They do what they want, when they want, whenever they want, want right and so if they just wake up at 3 a.m And they want to fucking pee they're gonna fucking pee right but it's not necessarily like that at all So the reason is because serial killers they usually they grow up in these like broken homes I'm talking abusive parents. I'm talking abuse whether it's just physical abuse or sexual abuse There's a lot happening and there's also the aspect of them not being able to understand their emotions. So one thing that I read about serial killers is that people have this misconception

that when a kid grows up, that they learn to figure out on their own how to deal with their emotions. But that's actually not true in most cases. They just know how to hide it. So like if you look at a serial killer who's in their teenage years and you're thinking to yourself, well, they probably know how to like deal with their life right now

at this point. It's actually not true at all. They're just so good at hiding it. Now they don't cry when they get beat. Now they don't do this when they get beat. But if they don't learn early on how to handle the emotions that they feel, then it's going to be a long journey to discover that. So you're saying regular people do learn how to deal with it. Because it's taught to

them. It's not a self-learning thing. So how to help, how to in a healthy manner, deal with negative emotions is taught, it's not a self-learning thing. Isn't that interesting? That's weird. Okay. So it's not something that, you know, you're like, oh, well, when they get older, they're just gonna learn how to deal with anger. It's actually something that's taught or picked up on.

So it's not necessarily like the mom sits you down and it's like, hey, when you get angry, you do this, right? But they watch from the people and they learn. God, I know. So it's not something that your brain is just like, hey, we should do something with this emotion now. Right? Got it.

And so because a lot of serial killers, they're never taught that. They never learn that. They've got all of these emotions that we may not see, that they might not even know that they have, and that all translates into stress and anxiety, and they will continue to what their bed. Also, the humiliation factor is really big.

So a lot of serial killers, they overcompensate, a lot of them don't feel like they're worth it or that they have something to look forward to. And so, constantly wetting the bed is like this vicious cycle of humiliation. It's like a confirming in their mind that they deserve to be humiliated because like I said a lot of the times you know Syraculars are humiliated at school and their friend groups at home by their parents So this is just an addition and then this humiliation this anger from this humiliation of wedding their bed then translates into them punching animals and starting fires So that's their their way of letting out that. Yeah, of dealing with their emotions.

So I mean, it's very interesting. I think only like 33% of serial killers have this little triad. That's high. I thought like those pretty low. I'm interested to know if you were to gather up all maybe I'll do like an Excel spreadsheet one day. Like all of their traits because I mean, I'm interested to know if you were to gather up all maybe I'll do like an Excel spreadsheet one day Like all of their traits because I mean, I am so curious after the last week's podcast of getting bonked on the head Like does that really factor in I wonder if more serial killers were bonked on the head at a young age versus bed wedding or Animal cruelty because you always hear about the animal cruelty. Like I just wonder what's the one factor? If we could just only say hey look out for this one thing. Cats.

Oh the fucking cats. They got it out for cats. Yeah. It's always the cats. He would pee his bed and his dad did not like that because his dad was like, are you not a man? Like stop peeing your bed. And the way that he would deal with it is like, you're gonna learn your lesson to not pee the bed if I humiliate you. So he would grab his bed sheets that are stained with pee, Gary's bed sheets. And he would hang them in front of Gary's window so all the neighbors could see that he wet his bed. What? I mean this is like literally the worst parenting. Yeah, the dad later denied this when Gary was sent to prison,

but I don't really know, like once you deny something like this, I'm just like, I mean, it's really specific, right? I don't know, but also Gary is not trustworthy. So I'm on the fence about this one. It sounds like something's gonna happen. Now during school, Gary had this weird complex. He refused to make eye contact with people, which is another thing I heard, which could be a sign of psychopathy, which is your, you know, you just don't make eye

contact with people. There's something about it that makes them really uncomfortable and not in a socially anxious way. Not in like, oh my god, I have social anxiety. I don't want like to look at people because I get read, right? But just very odd. And so there was this one girl who had asked him if he did his homework. And he gets up from the middle of his desk, which is really weird because he was known to not interact with people. He wasn't known to be a loud person or an aggressive person. He was just known to be just Gary in the corner, right? And so she's like, hey Gary, did you do your homework today?

And he gets up from his desk and he screams at her, you're not worthy enough to talk to me and sits back down. What was that? I don't know. Like, could you imagine? I don't even know how to process this right now. I mean, I tried to look into it, but like, damn, I don't even know.

I'm like, so he's humiliated by being the bed, but he also doesn't feel like she's worthy of talking to him I think he has a lot of anger towards women. I mean, we're gonna see that a lot later He is a sexual sadist against women. He is very violent towards women and my inclination tells me Maybe it has something to do with his mom abandoning him when he was seven like sending him to leave with his dad And then he had these negative experiences with his dad So maybe he's just like putting all of that trauma onto his mom who is a woman, right? You think that's what it is?

I don't know. Or does it have to anything to do with how the dad treats women, anything? Could be that. Yeah, I mean, somewhere along the way, he picked up a hatred for women, it seems, right? And so he was also teased for having a really odd head shape. I mean, I looked at pictures of him when he's older, and I don't really necessarily see

an odd head shape, but maybe when he was young, it was more pronounced. And him and his little brother, Teddy, or Terry, they would both sit there and say, well, it's because he fell out of a tree, you know, when he was young. And then there's other variations of the story where he said that when he was born, his mom dropped him on his head. And that's what he, I'm sorry. No, these are a type of story that your parents tell you, but you know it's not true. And so he says that's why he has an odd head shape. I mean, I don't really, there was no confirmation on any of these. There's no doctor's reports of him falling out of a tree or like being dropped on his head like doctor doctor

Please help me and drop my baby, right? I don't know But regardless of all of that he was relatively smart So he tested for his IQ and it was at a 143. It's not necessarily Ted Kaczynski the unibomber or anything of that sort But um, he is he's above average in terms of intelligence really smart and he ended up dropping out of high school at 17 years old And he did this mainly because he wanted to join the army again This is kind of this is a thing a lot of people dead a lot of killers joined the army because they want to get away from their family life right So he joins the army now the first thing is basic training at the army right and he was regarded to be excellent

His trainers will like, holy shit. How would I describe his training? Motherfork and excellent. And that is high praise. Listen, if you, if you've been to the army or you know people who went to the army, excellent is not a word that you hear often. So what was it really, was he really good at physical? Yeah, he was good with physical activities following the rules. He was really smart. He was quick on his feet He wasn't you know like if someone told him to do something he wouldn't be like wait. How do I do that again? You know he was just overall excellent on his basic training and then afterwards He applied to be in the military police department, which I don't know what that is right. I do hear that there's a lot of controversy because

Apparently if there's a crime committed within the Army, the regular police department don't really look into it. They have their own police department look into it, which then causes a lot of things to go under the table such as a lot of female army military service women get raped and just goes under the table because the Army police are like, well, again, to it.

Yeah. I mean, I need to look a lot more into it, but it's just, yeah, it's very controversial. And so he applies to be a part of the military police department and he gets rejected. Now then he's like, okay, maybe I'll go into like the medical field. So he does his medical training in San Antonio, Texas, and he again did really, really well. So then afterwards, he gets sent to West Germany and he joins like this army surgeon hospital and he was doing really well in the beginning. He gets his GED because like I said he didn't graduate high school and it seems like he's got a career ahead of him. Like 17 is so early to start the army and now I mean if you work your ass off you could either leave the army.

Go get like a really good job because I because these are all credentials that are on your resume, or you could level up in the army, you could do all of these things. It seems like he has this whole world ahead of him. But all of a sudden, he starts complaining of these headaches and this blurred vision and dizziness and nausea. I'm like, he's pregnant. I'm kidding. So, he goes to the doctor in West Germany, right? An army doctor and he

gets diagnosed with two things. Well, mainly just one, which was called gastroenteritis, which is otherwise known as infectious diarrhea. It's not really like a lifelong condition, but he just had like massive diarrhea. So that's where people think like the nausea and all those things are coming from, right? But during this visit with a doctor who was examining him, they said that he displayed a strong signs of mental illness. That nobody else caught. Like in high school, nobody thought he displayed strong signs of mental illness, not during training, not during his medical training. Absolutely nobody would think that he displayed signs of mental illness from what I could find. What? But all of a sudden, he did.

And so he was actually prescribed for a drug that treated schizophrenia. Yeah, so it was intense. Now two months later, he was honorably discharged from the army for, you know, his mental illness. He actually was put on like a, like a pension for having a mental illness after joining the army and he was transferred to Pennsylvania. So he's transferred to an army hospital in Pennsylvania and he gets officially diagnosed with Skitzoid Personality Disorder. And this just means that some of the symptoms may include and it's not saying that he had all of these or he had some worse than others but just a lack of

interest in social relationships. Like you just don't, you're not really trying to make friends or find loved ones. You just don't care at all about these relationships. You have no ability to form intimate attachments. Like, you know, like, you just like start dating and suddenly later like, oh my god, this is the love of my life, right? But you can't do that at all.

Like, he just doesn't know how to get intimate. It seems like he can't really hold those feelings. A lot of the times they have a sheltered lifestyle, so it means that they only do what they know and nothing else. They're very detached emotionally. They have a lack of empathy. They also have like, what scene is emotional coldness?

Everyone just says that they just seem cold. Like, there's nothing very, you know, genuinely like connected that you feel when you hang out with them. And the one thing with Skit Swade personality disorder that I read a lot is that you have an elaborate fantasy world a lot of the times. Okay. Like very elaborate. You've got a lot of things planned, lots of details, not just like you zoning out and fantasizing about the new car that you want.

Like it's um, you know, do you get what I mean? Like it's almost like this fake world in their head that they reach feet too very frequently, not just like when they're trying to fall asleep, but like every single day. After the army, he becomes a licensed nurse and he gets accepted into the University of Pennsylvania, you pen, very prestigious college, okay? So he's doing well for himself, but he ends up dropping out after just one semester, and he immediately goes into work at a local Veterans Hospital in Pennsylvania. Now, he was fired for two things that I just feel like are what the fork, right? Imagine, imagine working at a hospital, specifically a Veterans Hospital, and he gets fired for poor attendance and rude behavior to patients

That's like the opposite of what the hospital's like before they want accountability They want something to depend on and someone who's good with patients But he like just didn't show up. He was so rude to these veterans who are patients and he was like fuck you guys So they fired him I don't know. It's so weird Now for the next two decades he would be out and about. He would be a free man, but he would be in and out of psychiatric hospitals, not as a nurse, but as a patient. He would try to commit suicide at least 13 times in two decades.

And it seems like it does run in the family, so there must have been something going on. So his mom, Ellen, she was diagnosed with bone cancer and she was an alcoholic. And there's a little bit of thought she was in an abusive relationship at the time, but she decided to commit suicide by drinking a cocktail of myrcurec chloride. So I googled it. Myrcurec chloride, back in the day was used to treat syphilis, which is odd. Did you know Coca-Cola and ketchup used to be used from medicinal purposes? Yeah, I don't know what they're trying to treat. I don't know, but Mac

This is a good one, right? But back then, it was used. It has really corrosive properties. People can compare it to drinking ultra strength drain cleaner. You know, it's just like you're gonna have internal damage. Like it's gonna burn your esophagus, it's gonna burn your mouth, it's gonna go down and it's gonna burn your fucking organs. Like, I don't know why they were like,

you got an STD? Take this, you know, I don't know, right? So she drinks the macchiere chloride and she ends up dying, so she commits suicide. Now, his younger brother also is in and out of mental institutions and he also tried to take his own life multiple times. Macchiere chloride, it was actually famously known

in the 1920s for a specific case because in Indiana, they had a KKK sector. Yeah, so I guess every state has like their own fucking KKK back in the day. Maybe to this day. I should know this. I don't know. Okay, I don't like to Google stuff that's gonna inherently make me really depressed. So Indiana, the KKK leader, he kidnapped and assaulted his ex-girlfriend and she ended up taking this. I'm gonna get into it because that is actually a very strange story and it has an upside. I know it's all depressing but it's gonna have an upside. So I feel like this quarantine has been just the era of small businesses and it makes me so

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in Indiana now there was a woman who she was kidnapped by a former KKK leader of the Indiana sector now this was back in the day when me really think at the back of the day part I'm like does this still happen? I feel like it might. So a lot of the times leaders of the KKK had immense political power. So he decided that he was going to start dating this woman and she ended up breaking up with him like later on. Like a couple dates in. I think he had maybe like cheated on her or something had happened and she just was like listen I don't think we're meant for each other. I just don't think I want to be in this relationship.

And so he decides that she deserved to be kidnapped by his little henchmen of the KKK and she would be kept alive in his apartment, wherever he went, and he would just use her as essentially a sex slave and try to force her into marrying him. Like that was his endgame was so that they could legally get married so that she could never testify against her legal husband. And now she would just have to like, live this life. And so the first night that he kidnapped her,

he decided to bite her all over her body. Now, these were severe bites. These were not just like, munch, like, like, they were severe, like, she was bleeding. They were open to infection. Like, it was really intense to the point when she died. Her lungs and her heart and her vital organs were already infected because of these bites

all over her body. So he brutally violently assaulted her, raped her, and just bit her everywhere, right? So during the next couple of days, she is traveling around these hotels with him because he's a business man. And so he's got to travel. Like it is the craziest

thing she would have to pretend to be his wife when they were checking into the hotel because he didn't want to get caught and she would to say, because I'm the law. And so one day she sees that he had just left his gun out on the hotel table and she really wanted to shoot herself because imagine the trauma, imagine the pain that you're going through every day and imagine not knowing if it's only going to get worse from here. She was done, right? And also, if she escapes, then what?

She's already thinking like this is probably one of the most powerful people in Indiana at the time, like what the fork do I have, right? And so she wanted to shoot herself to end the misery. Now by this point, like I said, her vital organs were infected. Imagine the pain of that itself, right? With no medical care. And she didn't, because she didn't want to dishonor her family. Can you imagine the 20s? The 20s were in a wild time when a woman who shoots herself because she can't take the abuse is dishonoring her family, but like the dude is like the leader and like political figure. Like who is the dishonoring person here, right? And so she decided not to shoot herself because she didn't want to dishonor her family name. So instead, she was able to go to a local pharmacy

and at the time, like I said, Mercuric chloride was being sold for, you know, just stopping syphilis. So it was sold at a local pharmacy, like you would just buy ad-vill and it was just like mercury. And so she bought it pretending like it was just gonna help with the bites and stuff.

And she ingested as much as she could and she died an incredibly painful death. I mean it was known to be just really really bad. Now during court this is gonna get even worse. The rapist, the leader of the KKK, the rapist, he was in court and his attorney said, well there's no way. There's just no way that, you know, the rapist couldn't have anticipated her suicide. Just because he raped her doesn't mean that he would assume that she would take her own life. And everyone was like, what?

Are you kidding me? Now the upside to this, well let me tell you the downside first. He was sent to prison for a little bit of time. He was released and then he was sent back to prison for assaulting a 17 year old girl Now they said that there wasn't enough evidence So then he was released again So then he died as a free man, which is crazy Now the best part about the story the only silver lining that we can get from this is that by the way

Don't praise these people, but this to the KKK and Indiana was so disgusting The people decided to and must drop this to the KKK and Indiana was so disgusting. The people decided to, and must, drop out of the KKK. So this was probably one of the biggest dismantlings of the Indiana KKK that they had ever seen. Because this case. Because this leader decided to rape and assault someone. Yeah. And this also caused a lot of question because maybe I'll get into it one day, right? But I don't have enough research today to get into it. But it got a lot of people mad because they were saying,

well, what if she was an African American female? Because she wasn't. She was a white female. She was a Caucasian female, right? So is that why we're all pissed, you know? Is that why people were dropping out of the KKK like that? Because that doesn't make sense to us, right? It's just it was like this weird thing like you have morals, but you also don't have morals So like what's wrong with you? So people were upset by that. Anyways, continue on. Mercuric chloride poisoning That is how Mrs. Hyde Nick had passed away. Now Terry his younger brother like I said was in and out of mental Institutions he had attempted suicide multiple times and Gary was not going to eat live an easy life too.

So he would be arrested multiple times before he was finally arrested for the kidnappings and the tortures and the killings of these victims, right, such as Josephina. So his first arrest was an aggravated assault. He had gotten an unlawful pistol and he shot it at the tenant of the house that he was renting. Like he was renting a unit and a different tenant walked by and he just tried to shoot him. It grazed his face. Thankfully it didn't cause any massive injuries, but it was really bad. So that was his first arrest, right? And then his second arrest came when he started dating a woman by the name of on Jeanetteette Davidson. Now Anjanette Davidson, she was a literate and mentally disabled, so her IQ at the time

was 48. So this in itself is illegal because they cannot be consenting. You know, they do not know that what they're doing is what they're doing. And so he had invited her to live with him, this full grown man, right? And so they're just living together. She ends up giving birth to a daughter that is Gary Hydenix and they name her Maxine. Now Maxine was immediately taken into foster care. Like the state of Pennsylvania was like, I don't fucking think so. Thank you, right? And took away Maxine. And this is when he gets so mad that he decides, you know what? I'm going to

do something else. So he goes to go find Alberta. Now Alberta is on Genet's sister who is also mentally disabled and she was actually being held in a mental institution. Now Gary goes and he's like listen I'm on Genet's boyfriend and I'm taking Alberta out to go see her sister just a day pass. So this institution it wasn't like a high security it wasn't for like the criminally insane so you could genuinely just check people out take them to to lunch, bring them back in, right? And so he signed the little form, he got a day pass, he takes Alberta, his girlfriend's sister, back home, and keeps her locked in the basement for 10 days. He rapes her, he sawtomizes her, and she ends up contracting gonorrhea.

For 10 days. Now on Janetta's home the whole time, but like I said, they were mentally disabled and they both of them didn't, they were confused. They didn't really know what was going on. When the police found Alberta 10 days later in his basement, she was bloody and she was traumatized and so scared, but she didn't know what was going on really. Right. So what did the police do So they arrested him for kidnapping rape false imprisonment in voluntary deviate sexual intercourse

Interfaring with custody of a person Unlawful restraint and for that for that full-ass list that just knocked the breath out of me They said for you, you get three years in a mental institution. For that list. So he was sent to the mental institution for three years. After he gets out, he meets a woman by the name of Gail Linco. And with her, again, she, I believe, was...

there was some sort of disability involved. It seems like this is kind of his go-to, and we'll get into the psychology of that. He really likes mentally disabled woman because he feels like it's so much easier to have power over them, to dominate them, to be the leader, to be in charge and also to get their respect, right? Because they're looking for primarily a caretaker and he is like filling that role in a sick and twisted and a violent way at times and he feels like this is how they will never leave him. And so they have a son together that they named Gary Jr. and the state immediately was like, I don't think so. So the state took

Gary Jr. away as well and placed him in foster care. Now at the time, at the time, this is when Gary is like, almost started church. Gary is like me being the religious amazing person that I am almost started church and so he started and he incorporated okay I don't know I mean it's a nonprofit so probably not like a I don't know maybe it is an LLC I don't know anything about nonprofits okay so he is like I'm gonna start the United Church of the ministers of God now if you are driving around town and you see the United Church of the ministers of God don't run the other way because it's not Gary's church. So, he took this big church's name and just made it his own version of it in Pennsylvania.

So, there actually is a big church named this, right? And it has nothing to do with Gary Hyde next. So, don't get it confused. When I talk about religious cult, I'm not talking about this main church. I'm talking about his rip off version, his Walmart version, okay? The bootleg version.

And so he incorporates this name. And at first he only had five followers. And he had about $1,500 that he had deposited into a bank account under the United Church of the Ministers of God. Now this was his initial investment that he had gotten from donors. Now the rest of the money, he was gonna keep putting it into there whether it was from Sunday donations

or whatever it may be, right? And eventually, by the time he went to prison, he had a mass over $1.5 million sitting in that account. What in the world? Yeah, that's back in the days. Yeah, no, I did the calculations. I almost always, yeah. It was $500,000 back in the day. Today, it's 1.5 million.

How? How could this guy... Wow, so it's very profitable. Yes, but it seems like he took advantage of people. So every Sunday, he would have the service at his house. So there was no extra fee of like renting a space either. It was just like pure cash flow, I guess. And almost all of the people who attended were mentally ill or disabled. OK, so he found his little niche probably. Yeah, he was like, I'm just going

to exploit this entire group of vulnerable people. Mm. You know? Wow. So that's where, and I think a lot of people were saying that he could connect with them because he to Spent time in an auto psychiatric hospital So maybe he could connect on that level of like God don't you hate it here, right?

Like that type of vibe. Yeah, so they would go and he had 1.5 million dollars just like sitting there like cash Like not even in a house or like in a building just like cash So he took it as what like a like a business like a for business reason Like he wants to make money from them or it seems more for narcissistic reasons He just wanted followers and then the money came and made him feel more powerful But he wasn't really like a spendy person He didn't go like a lot of televangelists that we've talked about on YouTube like we don't he didn't go and like Byrolls Royce with it. He just like kept it there

Which would actually bite him in the butt because later on during the trial like we don't, he didn't go and like, buy a Rolls Royce with it. He just like kept it there, which would actually bite him in the butt because later on during the trial, he was like, I'm actually insane, everyone. And everyone was like, it's really hard to be insane when you have the ability to get $1.5 million in your bank, like just like, starting from the ground up. Like it's really incredibly difficult.

Like you probably are not insane then. And he also put a lot of money into like brokerage accounts I don't even know what that means But he likes to say it's too good. Yeah, so they're like that doesn't sound like something insane people would do You know like when you're talking out of your mind You're talking like you probably don't flush toilets like you're really out of your mind But you're like let me go invest this money Let me go put some in a 401k for the future like you're not

yeah yeah it's it was the weirdest thing ever and so then later he gets married for the first time now her name was Betty Disto and they had been talking via mail for about two years and he proposed to her without ever seeing her in person it seems and she a lot of people will say that she was a mail order bride I there's no confirmation on this I can't say for sure but she was from the Philippines right so she comes to the United States and Betty from all I can tell she seemed like she just really was excited for love like she was like yay like I can't believe I found the like love of my life right

she was excited to start this new life with him. And immediately from getting into the United States, everything just changed. I mean, this was a very brief marriage and it was a very violent, abusive, mentally, physically, sexually abusive relationship. So he was actually arrested another time during this marriage because for a spousal rape, which means you're raping your spouse,

which a lot of the times people are like, how can you do that? You guys are married. No, research it. Okay, I don't have the time to tell you about it, but it's really bad. And so she also caught him in bed a lot of the times, which is like three other women. I don't know how Gary is getting these people. We can kind of assume that they were tricked, manipulated, and with his tendency to like mentally disabled woman, it was probably of that sort and not him being like a Dan Bills area, you know. Tipist, maybe he was. Tipist situation where he was just like, look at all these girls in my bed, right?

And so he was really tricking them, and he just made it seem like they could trust him. So Betty, his wife, would catch him in bed with all of these women. Then she would get mad and she would try to leave because like, why would you stick around after that? And then he would rape her, he would physically beat her, and then he would tie her up and make her watch him have affairs. And it was like, you're nothing without me. Thankfully, guess what? In Philadelphia, there's a big Filipino community. And they all rallied together. They found out what was happening to Betty Dosto and they were like she literally came to the United States thinking she found love

and then now look at what's happening, right? So they helped her escape her abusive relationship, provided her space, you know, for a little while to get back on her feet. Now what he didn't know, what Gary didn't know at the time is that when Betty escaped, she was actually pregnant at the time. And she would later give birth to a son by the name of Jesse John Disto.

So not Gary's name, thankfully. So that was his arrest for assault, and decent assault, and spousal rape. And in voluntary, deviant sexual intercourse, I think that's forcing her to watch, you know. It's just like that is weird, dude. I don't think they have like a crime that's like forcing her to watch crime. So they were like involuntary deviants sexual intercourse, which just means like some weird involuntary stuff, okay? Then that's let's get back to Josephina because that's the timeline that was Gary's life up until he decides to kidnap

Josephina who is now locked in his basement Where did he go to jail? He went to jail very very briefly and that's another thing with spousal rape if you look into it the time that people spend in jail for that is like slimton on It's really low and so back to Josephina He broke up with Betty Betty divorced him. He has no idea that Betty gave birth to their son until he gets some child support letters later, right? So he's living this world and he's like, I'm sick of this. You know, every time I try to have a kid, the state just takes away my kid. You know, every time I try to get a wife, they're just like not

cool with me, cheating on them and abusing them and raping them. Like, that's not cool. You know, they keep running away. They just keep leaving me and I'm and raping them. Like, that's not cool. You know, they keep running away. They just keep leaving me, and I'm not okay with this. And so that's when he kidnaps Josephina. So during this time, she's being held captive, and at one point, she does escape. She escapes for a brief second. He had left the house, and she runs out of the house. She was, she managed with that long ass chain to run outside of the basement door, and

she's like yelling. She said she was yelling in English and fucking Spanish like anything. She was like hello anybody, right? And she did not hear a single peep and slowly she felt her chain dragging her back into the house. Oh my god. And nobody heard her. And that is probably one of the most dangerous situations ever in terms of being kidnapped Like anytime I read about these stories of people being kidnapped and they get like that almost escape But they don't fully escape you just know that the captor's rage is gonna be uncontrollable and it was like she was dragged in

She was in that little pit for like 20 plus hours a day No food no water could barely breathe most of the time. He would use giant bags of sand and dirt to put them all up against the walls of the basement to try to insulate the place so that it was soundproof. And this was important because like I said she had just escaped and tried to call the neighbors, right? But also because every Sunday he still had Sunday school at his house upstairs from the basement. So he was like, I can't have anyone knowing that I'm holding people captive in my basement. Yeah. Yeah. And so one day Josephina, she's laying in that pit. She can't really see anything. She can just hear

things, right? And she hears this girl crying all of a sudden being dragged in the basement I mean she can hear someone being dragged into the basement crying and she can hear Gary saying Sandra stop crying we've been friends for years now chill out and then he opens up the pit introduces Josephina to Sandra and says you guys are both going to be here a while. He put both of them into the same pit. Same pit. Later he's going to come and says you guys are both going to be here a while. He put both of them into the same pit. Same pit. Later he's going to come and try to dig more space. Oh. Yeah.

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Thanksgiving. Sandra had told her mom that she's going to the store to go get something and she gets kidnapped on the way to the store. But she knows it. Yes, so she knew each other. So it seems like Gary went to a lot of mental institutions or like institutions for the disabled that they were being taken care of or like schools. So this in particular was an institution that taught mentally challenged people. And he, I don't think he had a position there.

It seemed like he would go there to seek out people to join his church or to seek out future victims. And Sandra went to that institution. Now, like I said, he really loved intellectually challenged people because he could create superiority and dependency, right? And later on, Sandra was recruited into his church. So they really did know each other. So the point where after Sandra was kidnapped, Sandra's mom visited Gary's house and was like, um, do you have my daughter here? Because, you know, a lot of the time Sandra would just end up at Gary's place watching TV with him.

And it was just creepy. People thought it was creepy. Like people were like, I think he's taking an advantage of her. Like this is, this is wrong on all sorts of ways. You know, this is not normal. And so she showed up at the house and Gary was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Why would I have Sandra here? Like why would I be holding Sandra hostage? That makes no sense.

And so the mom left because the police said that she couldn't really do anything. There's no proof. There's no evidence. There's not even proof that Sandra didn't get lost to the store, you know? There's no evidence of any of that. And almost immediately after, Sandra's mom miraculously

gets a letter in the mail, and it was from Sandra. And it had Sandra's fingerprints all over it, the police tested it. It also was signed by Sandra. It looked like Sandra's handwriting, and it said, dear mom, don't worry about me. Don't call me or come looking for me, like I'm completely happy where I am.

Signed, love Sandra. And it was just like, what? So Gary had forced her. Yeah, so Gary had forced her into writing this letter. And now there's a lot of controversy because like I said, Gary's all of his victims were African-American, the ones that were he was holding hostage. So I mean, this really calls to the fact of like, we guys even really looking, let's be

real, you know. And this letter just added so much more to it, whereas in a lot of different situations, where if you had someone that was maybe not, you know, a minority, a person of color who went missing and they got this letter, the police would be like, that's suspicious. That's a suspicious letter. What a weird letter there. It looks like she was probably writing it while she was being held hostage somewhere. Don't you think? But in this one, they're like, see? Sandra's fine. So the police just kind of like stopped looking for her and it was just like, what are you serious right now? And so during this time that the police weren't looking, he would continually rape Sandra and Josephina and make each other watch.

So it wasn't even like he would take Sandra, Josephina, into a different room or upstairs, he would literally do it right in front of the other girl because it was psychologically and physically assaulting both of them. You know, the other girl would get so scared and would see like a holy shit. Like, I need to make sure that I don't act out of line

so that doesn't happen to me next, right? And so he would make them do that. And for the next month, it was just the two of them. Now, during this month, he was digging that hole to make it bigger. And both of the girls, they had spent most of the time in the hole. So then he would come down, he would chain them up,

they would be outside the hole, and they would just watch him dig. Now a lot of psychologists studied this method because it's just psychologically so stressful. Like is he digging a grave for them right now? Like he's silently just digging in front of them. Has he digging graves? Is he bringing more people? Like what's the plan?

And so they're just watching this. And then Lisa Thomas shows up. So Lisa Thomas was also kidnapped. She was a prostitute at the time. And they initially had voluntary intercourse inside of the house such as what happened with Josephina, right? And then later he choked her, handcuffed her, and then brought her into the basement.

Now, during this, he created systems. He created genuinely like his own farm, like his own baby farm, like his own little community inside that basement. So he had a lot of levels, he had a lot of conditioning, and a lot of psychologists study him not because he is a serial killer, but because he was really, really good at conditioning his victims. It's really difficult to have multiple victims. Even to have one victim long-term is incredibly difficult. Like you're gonna get caught,

something's gonna happen. You're holding another person hostage. It's not even the fact that you're trying to hide their dead body. They can run, they can talk, they can scream, they can use their brains, you know? It's really hard, but he was really good with different levels. So this is how the physical levels happened. First, you spend a couple days in the pit, like break your soul type of days. You know, you lose your lack of motivation. What's the point in screaming? No one can hear you.

No one's coming to save you, right? Then once you're broken in that terms of determination, he gives you a rubber mattress. You sleep on like this rubber mattress. Then let's say when he raps you, you're screaming less, you know, you're just kind of complying. Then he gives you a regular mattress. And you see all the other girls what they're sleeping on. So like, if you see that you're sleeping in the pit and you see the other girl who's complying with Gary is sleeping on a mattress, you're going to probably comply. And that's just human nature. Like I don't care how strong you are.

Like I don't care if you're in your house right now being like, nah, I wouldn't, right? I mean, chances are most people would. It's just imagine that type of situation, right? And then, and then from that regular mattress, sometimes maybe you would get little gifts here and there, An extra pillow. So this is like three people in. He's doing this now. Yeah. And the conditioning also worked with sex and rape. So I mean, I consider every single time that they had sex to be rape, but he conditioned it to not feel like rape. So he would come downstairs and he would say,

all right, who wants cookies today? And he would have a bag of cookies. And the girls would fight over who would have sex with Gary because they wanted cookies because they were starving down there. So to them, it almost conditioned them to not believe that they were being raped. Right?

Yeah. And so they would technically like fight over them. That's what Josephina said. The girls would fight over them because they wanted food. Like it was bad. Now, in terms of food, at first the girls were just given while they were in the pit, water and hard candy. That's it. That's all you survive on. They were starving. And then later they would get two slices of bread as a meal plus water. Then there was a dog commercial. So they were all watching TV downstairs. They had this tiny little TV in Gary was spending time with the girls. And there was this dog food commercial. Like, you know, like dog food commercials, they don't show you the

kibble. They like show you all the real ingredients. And they're like, look, we put it in potatoes and meat, right? And one of the girls is looking at it and she goes, oh my God, I'm so hungry. I could eat that right now. And from then on, Gary just started serving dog food sandwiches and dog biscuits to the girl and the rest of the girls. So all the girls ate dog food sandwiches and dog biscuits for months. You think he did it also like for psychological purpose too? For sure.

So then Deborah Dudley comes around who was 23 years old. Now Deborah was very, very confrontational. She was fighting back. Now Deborah just absolutely would not comply. She would not be quiet. She would spit and Gary's face all the time. And she thought tooth and nail every single day and he would beat her viciously every single day and he would even force the other

woman to beat her and if they didn't beat her hard enough they would get beat. So this was another conditioning method that he used of turning the girls against each other because imagine if all of them fought together they could definitely hurt Gary probably, right? But instead, he made sure that they were always against each other and he would torture them a lot. Gary was one of those people, he would come down those stairs, even if you comply to the best of your ability, it just depend on his mood.

And a lot of the times, he was in an angry mode. He was a violent person, he was a woman hater. He was a very intense sexual sadist. He got off on torturing these women. So no matter how much you complied, you were still going to endure a lot of torture. Now yeah, it was really bad. Then another person came in. Jacqueline Askins. She was actually the youngest of the group.

She was 18 years old at the time. She was a prostitute. And she had gotten into his car and he said, listen, we need to go do this, you 18 years old at the time. She was a prostitute and she had gotten into his car and he said, listen, we need to go do this, you know, deal at my house because I've got a nice cream cake in the back of the car and I don't want that ice cream cake to melt. And so she looked in the back and sure enough, there was a freaking ice cream cake. So she was like, okay, like this doesn't seem like, you know, one of those situations where he's like, I'm gonna hold you captive in my basement so we gotta go. Like he genuinely

had a nice cream cake, right? So she's like, okay. So they go into his house and he had like this little arcade system that was just in his living room, like one of those like pinball machines, I guess. And so she's playing on that little arcade system. And suddenly, she starts feeling getting choked. So she gets knocked unconscious and she wakes up and she's being dragged down this dark stairwell.

So she's walking down, she gets to the bottom of that basement and she wakes up and she's being dragged down this dark stairwell so she's walking down she gets to the bottom of that basement and she looks and she sees a whole ass party and she's like what the fuck is going on and it was Josephina's birthday so Gary had let the girls pick any food that they wanted from the Chinese takeout menu and bought an ice cream cake for Josephina's birthday and all the girls were so thankful and this was like the first happiness and so long. So it genuinely seemed like they were celebrating even though they were being held captive.

And Jacqueline, who just entered, was like, what the fuck? Why are y'all? She doesn't think it was, no, she knew. Oh, she knew. Because they were all chained in celebrating. Like they had like these mattresses in there.

There was like a pit in there, you know? Most of them were like completely naked, chained in celebrating. Like they had like these mattresses in there. There was like a pit in there, you know? Most of them were like completely naked, chained up. Like she knew, but I mean imagine also, it's one thing to walk into that situation knowing that there's girls being held captive and you're the next victim. But also imagine like they seem so happy over Chinese food take out and a cake, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of shows how bad the situation is. Yeah. So she's like, oh, god. And so then, from then on, he's got all these girls held captive. Now, he starts getting more paranoid because the more people, the more power and numbers, he's like, I can't let anything bad happen. And the one thing he was really upset with was that no matter how hard he tried,

the girls could always hear when he leaves the house, when he starts the car, when he leaves the front door. And so he's like, nope, this is bad. The minute that they hear that, they know that I'm gone. So then they're going to try to escape, but they're going to just start screaming. So he tested the theory. And one day he pretended to leave. He didn't leave. And all the girls just start screaming at the same time. So he's like, oh hell no. So he goes back downstairs. He wraps duct tape around every single girl's mouth and starts punching screwdrivers into their ears, violently stabbing them in the ears with screwdrivers.

He wanted to rupture their ear drum so they couldn't hear anymore. So he just decided to do that one day. Yeah, it didn't work thankfully. It seems like most of the survivors still had their ability to hear. Uh-huh. But I mean, there was a lot of injuries,

a lot of psychological torture. This part is the part that makes my stomach turn. Wow. I mean, I know that sounds weird, because it's like, oh, I'd rather that than all the other things that happened to them Like being assaulted and raped and stuff But it's just like such sick twisted like who wakes up one day and it's like I'm gonna stick some like punch people in their ear holes with screwdrivers

and I mean his thing it seems like he didn't want to kill any of the girls because he wanted to keep them around to torture them more didn't want to kill any of the girls, because he wanted to keep them around to torture them more. So then he would, if you ever disobeyed him, if you ever didn't even seem slightly compliant or even if he just woke up on a bad mood, he would punch you, he would beat you, he would starve you, he would violently rape you all the time.

Now Sandra Lindsay, the second girl who was held captive, she ended up dying first. So she had escaped the pit at one point and he wanted to punish her and he wanted to put on a show for the rest of the girls. So inside of that basement, like outside of the pit, inside in front of all the mattresses where everybody's just like sleeping, right?

He hung Sandra by her wrist on a beam, like by her wrist suspended in the air for a week. She was on her tippy toes, like she couldn't even put her feet flat on the ground. Now this causes a lot of issues, so not even just does it cause exhaustion, but the way that it's done, it causes your lungs to collapse. Like it's just not a natural way for humans to be, you know. Even being upside down, I talked about this in a mukbang, like being upside down, it causes your stomach to put too much pressure on your lungs and thus your lungs collapse. And she was only being suspended by one bridge, so she was kind of lopsided.

So that means that her lungs are really getting pressure from one angle only. So it was a lot and she couldn't even stand to just try to level out that pressure. And she was suspended, not fed, and beat for a week. And everyone was chained up out of distance so no one could feed her, no one could help her. And that's her way of passing. And yeah, and so she ended up dying. Now, her official cause of death was starvation, torture, and an untreated fever and the Gary told all the girls that it was an accident But the psychologist don't really think that so the psychiatrist

Oh that accident a week of a week a full fucking week, right? But they also think that he's a sexual satis so he was probably not trying to kill her But got off so much on seeing her being tortured that he just was like one more day One more day to like enjoy this, you know, it seems like that's what happened. It didn't seem like he went in with the intention of like, I'm gonna fucking kill her, right? So he kills Sandra and he makes all the girls help dismember her body because he says, now you guys are all accomplices and now all of you guys are going to jail. Now mind you, most of the girls were either young or mentally disabled or had been held captive for so long

that it's like, I mean, so much happens to you, right? And Josephina herself, I think, for her, she was 25 at the time, but like imagine also going through drug withdrawals during this process, because that's not something that's like mental It's like physical like drug withdrawals happen physically, too, you know Mm-hmm, and so it just was a lot so all the girls believed like holy shit We do have to help him otherwise a we're gonna go to jail or be that's gonna be us like we're gonna be dead And so they all took turns

dismembering Sandra's body so they Chopped up her legs her arms they put her in the freezer and they labeled those Ziploc bags, what Gary did as dog food. Her ribs were cooked in the oven. Her head was boiled in a pot on the stove. And later the police actually came to investigate because the smell was so bad that neighboring houses started to complain. This is an apartment. This is a house. Neighbor. What's the smell? Houses. Just like nasty.

They were just like- Composing body? Smell? Yeah. A police get called for the bad odor. And I know it everywhere. It says like, oh, the smell of a dead body. Like, you know that immediately. Like all the police say that all the time in all the cases. But maybe not this police officer because he showed up at the door, Gary opened it and was like, oh, that smell. Yeah, I was cooking a roast and I fell asleep and I burnt it. And the police was like, oh, okay, yeah, like people burned there dinner all the time.

Like, have a good night. And he just left. He just left. And so then he later, after he cooks a lot of her pieces and the meat and the freezer, he grinds up Sandra's flesh, feeds at his own dogs, and then mixed it in with dog food and fed it to all the other girls. Do the girls know? Yeah. Oh my god.

Yeah. And the smell just like would not disappear. Now, Deborah Dudley, she was still causing trouble at this time. A lot of the other girls became even more numb, even more traumatized, and even more compliant after what happened with Sandra. But Deborah was just like, nope, I'm not doing this anymore. And so what he decided to do with Deborah is he filled up the pit with water. And he threw Deborah in there with water. And he applied electricity to her chains. applied electricity to her chains. Now he also threw Jacqueline in there but I believe her chains didn't get electricity applied so she was just getting some

of the extra like electrocution caused by the water that they were in together but Deborah was getting electrocuted like intensely and he decided that Josephina would be the one to apply the electricity to the chains because he wanted her to be a little bit more of like the mom of the group like also his little accomplices what he wanted right and he thought that this was electotherapy you know how like back in the day like in these mental institutions even to this day they will electrocute you into thinking that it will help you right and so he thought that if he did this to Debra, she would just be a compliant person

like the rest of the girls. And so he constantly electrocuted her until Jacqueline started screaming. And they looked down and she's like, I think something's wrong with Debra, I think Debra's dead, right? And he looks down and he goes, oh shit, Debra's dead.

And he looks around and he goes, now we can go back to having a peaceful basement and all the other girls were traumatized. So he immediately gets Josephina to go upstairs and write a letter with him. And in that letter Josephina admits that she killed Deborah and she signs it and Gary signs it and he says, look, if you ever try to turn me into the police, I will give them this note and you will be in jail forever for killing. So he's constantly focusing on these mental games. Yes, and also something that might slip your mind

and it slipped mine until redditors pointed it out was you also have to take into consideration that he was a white man and most of his victims were African American females. And so to say the threat of jail and to threaten, hey, if I go down, you're for sure going to prison for the rest of your life. There was not one girl that was like, no, because I did this under your rule. Like I was kidnapped.

All of them were like, I would go to jail for doing nothing. So of course, I would go to jail for this. Right. So that was something that a lot of editors were pointing out now. Nobody pointed out back in the day. It's actually really sad because Josephina would be villainized in the press after she was released. She was, she freed herself. Yeah. Continuing on. So then she signs that and he starts getting really ballsy. He believes like, oh good. Now Josephina is like my accomplice and he unchanged her and forces her to help him put Debra into the

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been chilling in the freezer for a while, he's like, well, I need to get rid of her body. And this time, I don't think I have what it takes to go through all of this to like dismember her body, like so exhausting, right? And so he's like, let's go, let's go. So he puts Josephina into the car, puts Deborah into the trunk of the car. They drive all the way to New Jersey. And there's this place called the Pines.

And that's kind of like what the locals call it I think it's just a large ass pine forest. I think it's one of the biggest pine ego forest in North America from what I heard It's massive like it's just a lot of pine trees and so he drove there and just dumped her body into the woods now at this point Gary is becoming more and more trusting of Josephina and he just felt like Josephina could now become his full-on accomplice and he says, listen, you need to go help me adapt more girls because I need more girls now that to where just dead. I remember my goal, it's 10 girls. That's what I told you since very beginning.

Well, how the two are babies? Yeah, I think he wanted all 10 and then start and he wanted them all pregnant at once or something. And so he was like, we need to go. We need to go and abduct someone. And so Josephina says, okay, like I can try to help you, but can you please do one thing for me? And he's like, what?

And she's like, well, you know I love you now, right? And he's like, yeah, I know that. Well, can I just say goodbye to my family one last time? So that they stop looking for me, they know that I'm safe, they know that I'm happy. You know, it's less suspicion on us for sure, but also just, I want to start my new life with you, and I feel like this will give me closure on my old life. And I am excited for this new life together.

And Gary, being the fucking narcissist to Gidea that he is, he was like, oh my god, yes Josephina loves me. So, for him, he wanted respect, but he didn't necessarily want his captives to hate him. He wanted them to respect him, to be dependent on him, to kind of almost see him like a god. He didn't want them to be like, no, fuck you, right? He wanted them to be like, oh my god, my lord, like how can I serve you today? Like that's what he wanted. So he ate this up. He was like, oh yeah, like you could totally do that.

And so he said, but first we got to deduct someone. And so they drive around and she sees Agnes Adams, who was also a sex worker at the time, and she knew Josephina. So Josephina was like, hey, like do you wanna come? So she gets into the car, thinking it's gonna be completely safe, but then she gets kidnapped.

Now, I don't really necessarily blame Josephina because she had a plan, right? And the reason I don't blame her is that she did have multiple times where she could have escaped whether she was cooking upstairs or hanging out upstairs unchained during all of this. And she never did because she felt like Gary would go on a suicidal rampage and immediately kill

all the girls downstairs. And she did not want that. She didn't care if it was just her that escaped. She wanted everyone to escape. You know, she had grown such a big attachment to all the girls and just her humanity. Hello, right? Yeah. So she is like, I can't do this. So she felt a lot of guilt. So we're not going to shame her at all. She did what she had to do to save everyone. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, Agnes gets kidnapped. And the next day day Josephina is being driven to her home by Gary.

Now she said, listen, if you come to the house, you know, my family, they're going to be like, who's this man? What's he doing here? What's going on? So why don't you just drop me off at the gas station? That's the corner away from my house. Get a drink, get a coffee, and I'll be back in 15 minutes. And so he's like, okay, sounds good.

So they go to the gas station. She is walking through the gas station parking lot, like looking back at him, like waving, like, see you soon, baby. You know, and the minute that she's out of view, she fucking books it. And she goes to the nearest little phone booth, and she dials 911.

Thankfully, there was a squad car super close to that phone booth. So they drive up and they said that she was fucking frantic. They said, you need to arrest him right now before he goes home because the minute he goes home, he's gonna know he's gonna know that I ran away and he's gonna kill everyone, he's gonna kill everyone. And they're like, okay, calm down. They immediately saw all through her legs that there was a lot of chain chafing. So they already knew that she was telling the truth. So they go to the gas station and they arrest him and he did not put up a fight.

So he gets arrested. They go to Gary's house of horrors and Josephina is a survivor. Lisa, Jacqueline and Agnes all survived. So we have four people who survived and two who were murdered. It was the police said it was horrible conditions. You know, the police were interviewed and a lot of them said that their family members didn't even know who they were during the time that they were working this case. Like a lot of the police officers,

they said like my wife said, I was a completely different person. What does that mean? Just so traumatized by the details of this case. Like you're so detached, you know, like you can't really be happy right now. Mm. It was bad. Inside of Gary's freezer, they also found 27 pounds of body parts

that were frozen. And after he was arrested, he tried to hang himself in his cell and thankfully it didn't work. Now, let me tell you about Gary Hyde next fucking insane defenses. His first offense was that the woman in the house when I moved it. Yeah, I moved in and they were just like there. Yeah, uh-huh. I mean it's kind of crazy, right? I guess maybe like the landlord kept women there? I don't know. I just kind of fed them because nobody fed them, so I just feed them once in a while. But that's it. I mean yeah like we consensually did it sometimes,

but like, those, because they were bored and I was bored. And how long did it take him to realize that was the dumbest thing? Yeah, and so his defense attorney later on was like, see, he must be insane if he thinks that's a good excuse. And then that's when the prosecutor was like, but he's not, because he has over a million dollars in his bank account and brokerage account,

so shut the fuck up. Like nobody he has over a million dollars in his bank account and brokerage account, so shut the fuck up. Right? Like, nobody who can manage a million dollars like that is just going to be like, oh my god, there's just like free women chained up in my basement. Like, this doesn't make sense. He didn't inherit the money. Like, he made the money, you know? Yeah.

I mean, through shitty ways, of course, but still. And then his second defense was check the quiz not. You know, quiz not not they make kitchen tools We have a quiz not like ice cream maker. They're like the leader of kitchen tools You know they were like check the quiz not and everyone's like what Gary and so he's like check the quiz Not if you don't believe me and the police are like why and he's like check my quiz not blender And you won't see any human flesh in there. Because I did not grind up the body. You know, I didn't do that.

I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. And they were just like, you're wrong. So, bye. What in the world? Yeah, yeah. It was really weird. And a lot of people suspect that he was just doing all of these weird crazy things to try

to get not guilty by reason of insanity. And so, trial starts. He's acting even crazier, and nobody believed him, so he was sentenced to death. Now, on a weird twist of fate, Betty, his first wife, and Maxine, who is his daughter from Anjaneat, they both try to get him off death row. They don't want him free, they just don't think that he should die. It didn't work, thankfully, and he was executed via lethal injection in 1999. Actually, here's a plot twist. He was

the last capital punishment in the state of Pennsylvania ever, Gary Hyde-Nicke. And in other twist of fate, that's really annoying, is that for years, Josephina, through the press, through news reporters, was constantly portrayed as an accomplice They treated her like a criminal even though she was a free woman because she was an incriminate because she was very vocal about what had happened to her And she said I did what I had to to survive I pretended like I liked him I pretended like I liked the assaults in the rape to survive and everyone's like no You did it because you loved him. And you're an accomplice.

They treated her as a criminal. That's disgusting. Like imagine you went through all that trauma and what, not even, it's not, she wasn't even looking for sympathy, but you're villainized. Right. And again, a lot of people do believe race a thousand percent had something to do with it. Yeah. And a lot of people do believe race a thousand percent had something to do with it.

And so she suffered a lot of drug abuse afterwards and nightmares, but she cleaned, she got clean, she got married, she has children, she has multiple grandchildren, she wrote a book. So as far as I know from what I can tell, she is doing okay. Despite it all. She still says she suffers from a lot of nightmare, but she was strong. So that is the story of Gary Hydenick, baby farm lover, baby farm wannabe, and just sick nasty, dude. And I hope you guys enjoyed today's story. Let me know in the comments. There are no freaking comments, because I'm an idiot and happy Thanksgiving. And thank you for spending your day before Thanksgiving with us, or maybe

you are spending your Thanksgiving with us. Happy Thanksgiving. I love you and I'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.