Rotten Mango - #27- The Foot Fetish Killer (Serial Killer Jerry Brudos)

Episode Date: December 10, 2020

He took something from his first victim - one of her feet. He kept it in the freezer and used it to model his collection of high heels.  A collector of sorts - feet, breast, high heels, and underwear from unsuspecting women for over a decade but his dream was to have a collection of women in his freezer. Did he make his dream come true? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I would say that during my entire like what three years that I've been researching true crime, not once, not once have I ever sat there and thought to myself, wow Stephanie, you're getting weird, like something weird is happening in your brain. You maybe need to seek out some help until I started researching this case because tell me why. Tell me why. I researched a case about a serial killer who's obsessed with feet.

He's got a shoe fetish. He's known as the shoe fetish killer. He's obsessed with high heels. He would literally chop off his victim's feet to keep them so that he could model the high heel collection that he had gathered inside of his garage. And after I read all of that, tell me why I bought shoes. Like tell me why. I'm like listen maybe I should do some online shopping for some shoes right now. This is the first time I've

genuinely sat there after researching a two-quimed thinking to myself, I think something's a little bit wrong in your brain, Stephanie. I think this is not okay. You need to get some help. Never have I ever, not even once. Ever thought a serial killer was attractive or fascinating in like a more than just a, you know, psychological standpoint. Never.

And then I bought shoes after researching this case. A little weird. I mean, to be fair though Maybe it was just because I was like researching the fetish behind high heels and there was lots of pictures of high heels And I was like, you know what? I've been meaning to get some boots Wait, so this guy he's obsessed with shoes or a feet? He's obsessed with shoes and he's obsessed with underwear and he's obsessed with necrophilia He is he's a very interesting one His name is Jerome Henry Brudos

and I guess we're just gonna jump right into it because this one is gonna make you really uncomfortable and Honestly, I love high heels. I'm not gonna be that type of person that's like, oh no, how he heels or hate them I love the way that it makes me feel. I love the way that it looks on me I would say that if I had to choose one pair of shoes that make me look a little bit better like one percentage better It probably would be some form of a high heel not so much like sneakers or flats Just because I think it accentuates the legs and stuff. There's actually an award for people who have a fetish for sexual Interest in shoes in particular heels. There's actually a boot fetish where people are obsessed with like leather pant and boots They could be knee high boots. They could be cowboy boots, but they will like lick your boots. I know it sounds like I'm trying

to say boobs, but they'll lick your boots. Yeah, they want you in nothing but boots and shit. The amount of research. They're like clean boots are dirty boots. Okay, here's the crazy thing. So I also looked into it. This is like a subsection of a foot fetish. You don't necessarily have to have a foot fetish to be obsessed with high heels or to have a shoe fetish, right? But here's a very interesting fact about foot fetish. Did you know 40% of people who have been surveyed that say that they have a foot fetish have confirmed to also have something called an odor fetish, which means that they are also aroused by the idea and the scent of smelly socks and sell smelly feet and smelly shoes.

Which is why I remember seeing this one TikTok where this girl was like, oh I just met up with a guy who paid me $200 to buy my old beat up target shoes that I bought for $15. She had a recorded part of it and then later he goes and sits at a park bench and just starts sniffing them. And she was like, why is this real life right now? Like this is kind of crazy. I don't know if it was staged, but I feel like maybe it wasn't

because reading the statistics on this is kind of wild. So it's called Actical Sipa Filia. Wow. Alto Cal Sipa Filia. Maybe that's a better way to saying it. So they're like their own smelly shoes? No, it usually has to be other people's.

Like everyone has the type. So just because you have a foot fetish doesn't mean that you like everybody's feet. Doesn't mean you're just like looking around for some feet. I mean, you've got a type. Some people like long slender feet. Some people like a little bit chunkier feet.

Some people like, oh, it's all about the ankles. Some people say it's all about the arch, like the natural arch of your feet. Like the way that it just just hits the floor like if you're a middle part of your feet aren't touching the floor Oh my god, they're just gonna jizz right there, you know These are what forum said this is not me saying I have a foot fetish. This is not me coming out Did you know there's a lot of celebrities with foot fetish like Enrique Iglesias? Oh shit there was so many more. There was a lot of dudes who came out and said that they had some variation of being

really into feet. And you know what, I'm proud of them, so brave. So anyways, the sexual interest in shoes, alto cala philia, don't make me say it again. It means that you have a sexual interest in heels, you spend an abnormal amount of time thinking about heels, but you also have a sexual preference for heels. So this is not to say, I mean, I would generalize that if you are attracted to the female body or the male body, you probably are kind of into heels. I don't know one person who was like, oh, I absolutely hate it when people that I'm attracted to wear heels. at think it's disgusting Especially as like a straight male. I've never heard one straight man say I hate girls who wear heels

I don't think I've ever heard that so visually speaking. I mean, it's really hard not to be sexy in a pair of heels That is a tom Ford court quote. It's hard not to be sexy in a pair of heels. That is a tom Ford quote Well, they haven't seen you. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay so let me tell you it's very interesting. So in the 19th century it was actually a custom for men to grab their ladies foot like their shoe. Whether it be a boot, whether it be a high heel, whether it be, well they didn't wear like sneakers back in the day because god forbid a lady wear a sneaker back in the day. And so they would grab it, then as a sign of ultimate devotion, they would grab their ladies stinky shoe that they've been wearing for, I don't know, probably like a long time because you know in the 19th century, shoes aren't the way that they are today. Like there was no warehouse for shoes. Like shoes were

really expensive So they were probably wearing it for quite a couple months at least They would then pour wine or champagne into that stinky shoe And drink it as the ultimate sign of devotion to their lady Haha Yeah So then that just kind of transformed into like the Cinderella glass slipper Like you've got all of these things

And high heels are very interesting because it really does accentuate the butt. It kind of helps with the whole stereotypical beauty standard of having like toned legs, having long legs, having a perky butt because having a perky butt, biologically speaking, it's supposed to say that this person is young, right? This person is still fertile. Essentially, that's what I read online. I'm not saying I agree with this. It also makes people a little bit more graceful.

You know, it's really hard to like, slouch when you're wearing a pair of heels. It's really hard to like, waddle around in a pair of heels. Typically, you, like, when I wear heels, I walk differently than when I'm wearing sneakers. Like sneakers, I usually have to remind myself of my posture because I'm like, whoa, it's definitely like you look like a hunchback whale. But with high heels, for some reason, it just like makes your body a little bit more like stiff,

I guess, so it just forces this posture on you. And so all of these things I already knew about and so all of the forms are like, no, listen, the reason that I'm obsessed with high heels is because have you ever seen your significant other and nothing but a pair of high heels Oh sexy right and I'm like okay like that makes sense you know It sounds sexy and then and then I got to that one percent of this fetish

We're just got so dark and these men were like you know Biologically speaking I'm into high heels because there's like this very intrigue of how how difficult it is For your prey to run away in a pair of high heels. And I was like, oh my god. Oh my god. They said it's mainly because visually it looks good, but it's also the inability of your prey to run away at high speeds. It makes them easier to catch, easier to subdue, slows them down and gives you more time

to look at them. You're talking about reddit right now? Yeah, and then I got really scared. And I was like, oh no. Oh no! And then that led me down another rabbit hole where they were talking about how heels they weren't necessarily worn just for women. Did you know back in the day, the first recorded ever recorded instance of someone wearing a

pair of high heels was actually meat butchers to keep their feet away from the blood that was pooling on the ground. So they wore like these platforms very sexy and then it transformed into the French just wearing high heels and it was mainly a lot of aristocrats like lots of dudes wearing heels because they were like this shows that I'm rich because I don't have to run anywhere I don't have to run anywhere. I don't have to do no work. I just sit here. I sit all day. And so high heels are really uncomfortable.

They're really impractical. And what says rich, like impractical? Absolutely nothing. So men and women both wore heels. And then men started wearing heels because it also helped them get onto their horses a lot better. Because like, you know, if you're rich, like the taller your horse, the staleon,

it's more of a status symbol. But then like if it's so tall how are you gonna get up on your horse and if you use a stepstool that's really like not masculine so they would wear these heels and then they would use that to step onto their horse and then they said that it protrudes the calf muscles of men and you know people like taller men and back in the day they wore these long elaborate like robes and stuff So you wouldn't necessarily see that they were wearing these platforms So we would make them feel more, you know, powerful taller

And then it would only been about like a hundred years or so that it has been primarily for women to wear heels And now the whole marketing behind heels is almost generally always associated with sexy. So heels is like this really interesting thing. I got into a lot of like political arguments online. I didn't get into them personally. I was observing the arguments that were happening, right? So you have a group of people that are like, listen, I love heels because it makes me feel powerful

because now I can be at I level with a lot of men because you know, generally speaking, sometimes women can be shorter than men. And so like during business meetings, I like the fact that I can be at eye level with a lot of men because generally speaking, sometimes a woman can be shorter than men. And so during business meetings, I like the fact that I can look them in the eye and be like, no, you sit the fuck down, Kevin. But then you have a lot of people saying, listen, heels are literally to slow woman down,

make us slower, we can't be as comfortable as men. We are literally wearing heels because it's visually attractive to the male eye like this is really shitty so I'm kind of on the fence on both like I understand the marketing behind heels is kind of nasty and they were like also Can we point out the fact that that most major like a designer heel makers are men? So it is really all geared towards the visual placement of the male eye.

Well as a straight man, I'll say I feel like I don't have that much interest in heals at all. My interest versus yours I have like one percent you have like a hundred percent. Yeah so I have like a hundred percent interest in heals and then he actually generally on a daily basis gets really upset when I choose to wear heals because about halfway through the date I'll be like honey like my feet hurt and then I'll be grabbing on to him pulling him down while I'm trying to limp to the car in my heels. And then he's like we came to the mall. Why did you not just wear sneakers?

It is more practical. So don't you think I feel like more women are into hails demand? I mean technically technically speaking, no. Maybe you are a weird one. But I do think that more women are into hails. I'm more on the fence of like hails do make me feel very powerful in the sense that, yes, I'm taller, but also in the worst case scenario, if I am running away from someone,

I'm thinking maybe I can take off the hails and stab them in the eyes with it. That's kind of like, it's like a weapon. See I wonder if it this is like cars. People think guys love cars because it will attract more women. But truth is most women don't care about cars like that. You don't know. And it's always dudes that's like, oh my god look at that Lambo.

Like girls think guys can tell or care but most guys don't care about if you're wearing heels or not. But most girls would say, damn, that heels look so nice when you're in the car. He's like, I know what you mean. It is funny because when you do see a guy with like a really cool car, they're just like a group of other guys around that guy. It's never like a group of women. Yeah.

And so you're like, okay. Well, it's interesting. But let's talk about a guy who wise really obsessed with heels So Cherry Brutos is probably one of the strangest serial killers. I've ever researched in the sense of um He's got a lot of interesting things that he would do with bodies He had a frozen foot in his freezer so that he could just model Model high heels. He had a breast paperweight model, model high heels. He had a breast paperweight, so he had cut off the boob of one of his victims and then molded it in resin to become a paperweight. Yeah, but he also had a wife and kids that were

home while he was doing all of this in his garage. So Jerome Henry Brudos, otherwise known as Jerry Brudos, otherwise known as the shoe fetish killer, the lust killer. Let's get into his childhood. So he was born in a place called Webster South Dakota now. This is a farm So he's born into this farm and it was a relatively sustainable business for his parents So his mom's name is Ileen and his dad's name is Henry and his mom was very interesting because she was really conservative she was religious she hated heels The way that Jerry always said was that she always wore sensible shoes. Very practical shoes. Heels aren't that practical, right? She wasn't really feminine, she never

wore makeup, she hated short skirts. She actually thought that people who wore those were slightly shameful. She was kind of a pick me girl, you know. She was like, pick me. I know Andy's because I'm a natural appeal team. He was the second son, so he had an older brother by the name of Larry now. This is where things get really complex because he is the second kid They already had a son named Larry. I lean really wanted a daughter like she was like oh my god She was hell bent on having a daughter But she ended up not having a daughter. She had freaking Jerry and she resented Jerry for it She was like why are you not a daughter? I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me, but it's not the fact that she hates boys. It's not the fact that she hates both of her sons.

It was the fact that she just hated Jari for being another son. Jari had a son. And so it's interesting because Eileen would grow to baby Larry, the older son. She would spoil him, do all these things for him, and Jari would be completely neglected because she wanted a daughter. So it's really weird how they have completely different upbrings and it's not the fact that the mom just hated boys. Like it's just so odd. So Larry, he was said to grow up in a very warm, loving household, and Jerry, he grew up in a super cold, neglected.

I mean, his parents were critical of him. He never received any like physical hugs or kisses or any sort of affection which, you know, psychologically speaking, as a kid if you don't have physical affection in a healthy way. I'm not talking like sexual abuse. I'm talking like hugs, kisses, compassion from people that you are consenting to and people that you want to be loved by. It really does mess with your psychological standpoint later on. I didn't think it was that big of a thing, but it kind of is.

He was never praised for anything. Even if he did everything perfectly, nobody ever mentioned it in the house. He was pretty much emotionally abused and probably what we consider today to be physically abused. So back in the day, it was just known as a disciplinary household,

but these days it would be known as like call CPS, this is physical abuse. So there was some light physical abuse involved, but it was immense emotional abuse. Now the dad, Henry, he was also not a protector. He wasn't like, listen, Ileana, I know you wanted a daughter, but this is our son, this is our baby. He wasn't like that at all. He just like joined in on the abuse.

They literally bullied their own kid. They were just like, let's just take it all out on Jerry because Jerry ruins everything. It's so weird. So this was right before World War II was about to hit. So that's when they decided to move from their farm to Salem or again. Because when World War II hit, I mean their farm just was becoming really unsustainable. They weren't making enough money. They couldn't take care of the land. Their crop wasn't growing the way that it was supposed to. So they sold the farm, moved to Salem, Oregon, and they decided that Eileen was going to become a stand-home mob, and Henry would go out and find a job. Now there was two issues.

Jobs were really hard to come by, I mean it was freaking world or two, like there wasn't jobs everywhere. And on top of that, Henry made it really difficult to employ someone like him. He had massive anger issues, so he would either get fired for exploding on his coworkers or yelling at the boss. Like there were multiple times where he would just full on violently try to yell at his own boss. And then he would sometimes quit because he was so upset with his colleagues and how they were so ABC&D, whether they're dumb, whether this, like he would just get so upset that he colleagues and how they were so ABC and D, whether they're dumb, whether they're this,

like he would just get so upset that he would quit his job over it. So he was always out of the house. He was constantly looking for work, starting a new job, quitting that new job, and then looking for work again, and he was never home, but when he did come home, I mean, you would think that Henry would be like,

listen, life is hard, but look at my wife, look at my beautiful kids, but he wouldn't do that at all he actually would come home look specifically for Jerry and just start yelling at him like take his anger out on him be like you're the reason why all this is happening you're the reason for freaking world war two like what he would just yell at him so much and if you're like listen this sounds a little dramatic. There's no way Jerry was neglected like this. Like how can one kid receive so much love and attention and then the second kid just

because they were born a son? You know, how can they be so neglected? Well, I think this story will show you how. So at five years old, Jerry actually had wandered off and started exploring in a local junkyard. Yeah, his parents didn't care that started exploring in a local junkyard. Yeah, his parents didn't care that he was at a local junkyard. Like, he was literally neglected to the point

where he could just walk out of the house and walks with local junkyard at five years old and they did not care. And so he's hanging out at this local junkyard when he comes across a pair of stilettos. Dun, dun, dun. Like, super high heels. Still, he's like looking at me like, what's a stiletto? Like, you know how there's like kitten pumps that are like two- high heels still he's like looking at me like what's a stiletto?

Like you know how there's like kitten pumps that are like two inch heels still let us are like boom like five inches Five inches doesn't sound that All right, listen eggplant. You gotta you gotta tone it down. Oh, so five inches is like consider really tall. I mean yeah Okay, like five inches is like I probably wouldn't wear five inches to work when I was working retail. I think I was like anywhere between like three inches, probably of heels. I see. Is where I would usually get it.

Okay. But like five inches is pretty tall. So we come across this pair of stilettos and they were worn out. I mean, they're in a junkyard. These are not Christian Luba Tons. And he was like, oh my god, new shoes. What's this? They were worn out.

They were probably stinky. And it was a patent leather stilettos that were covered in rhinestones. Now, a lot of the rhinestones had fallen off because I mean, it's in a junk yard. It's been thrown away. And he was fascinated. He looked at this pair of stilettos and he was like, oh my god, what is that?

So his mom didn't wear stuff like this. And now he was finally seeing how he heals up close for the first time And he just kind of fell in love with it. He was like this is so This is weird. This is cool So he brings it home and when he gets home his mom sees him holding a pair of stilettos because it's not something that you can just like You know easily be like oh, it's fine It's nothing and his mom is like what the fuck is he's like, well, I found it at the junkyard and I really liked them, so I brought them home.

Okay, now here's my thing. I'm not a mom, but if I was a mom, I'd probably be more concerned, what were you doing in a junkyard, right? And then second of all, those things are probably filthy. Like if you touch in, there's probably like, you know, foot fungus on it, maybe, athletes foot. That was the thing in high school, right?

That's what you don't share shoes with like, this fungus on it, maybe? Athletes foot. That was the thing in high school, right? That's what you don't share shoes with, like, this stinky shoe people, which is like everyone in high school, me included. Because, like, you don't know what kind of fungus happens when you sweat in your shoe. I mean, they were really old. They were pretty nasty. Like, all of those things that would be like, maybe you shouldn't be touching that and touching your face. Like, go wash your hands. But instead of all of that, she was like, was like listen Jerry I don't want you playing with

women stuff which is kind of ironic because the whole reason that Jerry is neglected is because she wanted Jerry to be a girl so she's a little weird. So this is what she decides to do as the great parent that she is mom of the year award goes to Eileen. She says yeah okay you're gonna have to go to that junk yard alone and go dispose of those shoes again. Like, she did just throw them into her own trash can. She was like, go back to the junk yard by yourself and go put those shoes back. So he said, okay, he's crying. He walks to the junk yard with those shoes in his hands. And as he's about to put them down, he's like, you know what, this is really unfair. Like,

I really love these shoes. So he was able to stick them into his shirt and sneak them into his room Like he had just opened the door to his house and was like, hey mom bites like I'm going upstairs And then like went upstairs and started hiding them under his mattress and Every day he would take them out whenever he had any like alone time and he would try those shoes on as a five-year-old I mean imagine like those shoes are gonna be massively hoot on him, they're not gonna fit perfectly, this isn't Cinderella, but he would try to walk in them and he was just really enjoying trying them on.

Now one day, he gets caught by his mom trying on the shoes. So she's really upset because first of all, he deceived him, her, by saying like, oh, I threw it away. But also on top of that, why are you wearing girls shoes? And like, I have something to say about that. First of all, I just don't agree with Eileen's parenting, but you know what I do agree with? I agree with the fact that, you know,

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all the way to the backyard and sit Jerry down and force him to watch her burn the shoes, like literally burn in a fire. I mean I just like why can't she just trash it? This is like so extra so obnoxious for what for what lady and in this T'jerry, I mean he's five he doesn't first of all he doesn't understand gender norms that are imposed by society He doesn't understand why high heels are so so strange for him to have for him It's almost like this new toy that he found It's almost like this very interesting cool gadget that he just got like it's not like oh no This is a female thing and you're not a female.

He's five. He doesn't know what society back then deemed as female things. So he's a little bit confused. She's not explaining it to him. She's just really upset with him and almost treating him as if he's like this weirdo. So he's like, what is happening? And in his head, because he's five, he starts kind of associating at this point, this early on, shamefulness and this taboo thing

to be associated with heels. And then later, it almost be like, people who wear heels, maybe they're taboo, maybe they are shameful. Maybe these women that wear heels are a little bit weird. Maybe they're asking for it in some way shape or form, right? This was completely humiliating for Jerry and this was traumatizing and anything taboo and forbidden. It's kind of human nature to be drawn to it. So we're going to see

him get drawn to high heels over and over again for the rest of his criminality career, his whole criminal spree that he does. Now around the same time he started being befriended by a neighbor that over and over again for the rest of his criminality career, his whole criminal spree that he does. Now around the same time he started being befriended by a neighbor that was the same age as his mom and it's not a creepy by any means. I know it sounds a little bit creepy because we do so many like last week's episode was about Daisy's destruction and so now every time we see like an older person we're like creep, creep, okay it's not creepy. So he was just playing out in the street by himself as he does all the time, like alone,

unsupervised, like literally playing out in the road by himself. And so this neighbor started taking notice and was like, oh god, like this is really bad. So she would come, she would give him little snacks here and there, a little bit of food. She would look at her window to make sure like no car runs him over, no one tries to kidnap him because, I mean, what the heck, like this is really dangerous. And she dangerous and she would give him hugs she'd be like oh Jerry and then she would hug him again not in a weird way and Jerry was really in love with this neighbor like not in a weird way he just would always tell her listen I wish you were my mom instead I wish you were my mom instead and so for a brief moment in time it almost seemed like he kind of transferred all of his

parental love to this woman he wanted this woman to be his mom and it almost seemed like he kind of transferred all of his parental love to this woman. He wanted this woman to be his mom and it almost gave him hope because he's thinking, you know, maybe one day I can live with her because he's five. He doesn't understand that CPS probably won't let that happen within a year of them being, you know, friends of them bonding. She passed away. I mean, she had a lot of health issues and this to him was almost like the death of a parent Like even though it sounds crazy because you know, they've only known each other for a year

But he's only been alive for like five years and this is the first time that he felt love and like he felt affection And he felt like this adult was caring for him. He looked he felt looked after Which is really important and then around the same time a friend of his a five-year-old girl that he used to hang out with and the streets And I'm not saying like you know like that, but like just because they would play out on the streets together She ended up dying So this was just a lot of death at a really young age So then at six years old his family is like listen We're gonna move from Portland, Oregon or Salem, Oregon, and we're gonna move to California

So at six years old the family moves to California And he starts school in California and that's when he realizes oh my god all these teachers are wearing heels like there's so many people We're in heels so go to the supermarket all these people are wearing heels. Who go to school all of his school teachers are wearing heels And he said every time he saw a pair of heels he got this feeling that he wanted to play with them He wanted to touch them. He wanted he wanted the high heels now I wouldn't say at this point that it's sexual because he's six years old and when you're six the nothing sexual right so It just seemed like he had this weird Fascination with heels right so in the first grade his teacher had taken off her high heels to teach

So she had put them under her desk and I think she had changed into a pair of flats So she's like riding on the whiteboard blah blah blah blah blah And then she's like okay like now it's play time. Everyone can just like play around the room, like grab your little toys and we can all have like a little recess. And he was playing near her desk when he noticed a pair of high heels under her desk. So he's like, oh my god, this is my chance. So he makes his way under the desk and he starts playing with the heels. And this is kind of like the first time that he's playing with heels and he doesn't get reprimanded for it.

Like the teacher is not yelling at him. I don't think she saw, to be honest. And like the other kids they saw, but they didn't really say anything because they're just like, Oh, whatever. Who cares, right? So he's playing with these heels and recesses about to be over. And the teacher is about to tell everyone to put their toys away. We're just like, wait a minute.

I need to take these shoes home. Like I really do. So he has this new plan. He's like, I'm gonna hide these shoes. And then when it's time to go home, I'm gonna slip them into my backpack, and I'm gonna book it. Like I'm just gonna take heels with me.

He's gonna rob the shoes. He's gonna rob the shoes, right? But to think that the teacher won't notice that her shoes under her desk aren't missing is kind of like a, like a first grader thing to think, you know?'t notice that her shoes under her desk aren't missing is kind of like a like a first grader thing to think you know and so he hides the shoes and immediately the teacher notices so she says okay class like I'm missing my shoes did anyone see my shoes and everyone's like no Mrs. Bob-Bob-Bob we didn't see your shoes and then she says okay class we're gonna play this

new game where we're gonna look for my shoes, bitches, you know, she didn't say that. I would be a horrible teacher. And so she's like, okay, we're gonna look for my shoes. And so everyone's looking, and almost quickly, it was found to be hiding, right? And so she's like, okay, now who did this? And everyone's like, well, I said,

Jerry, playing with your shoes, right? And so she asks Jerry, did you hide my shoes, Jerry? And he says, yes. And she said, why did you hide my shoes, Jerry? And he says, yes. And she said, why did you hide my shoes, Jerry? And he just didn't have any answer. And she was asking him in front of the whole class. And again, this added to the humiliation of playing with high heels. That's crazy to think about, you know, because the dude was probably has no interest in shoes, but all these events made him become more and more curious with the shoes.

See, this kind of reminds me of parents and drugs and sex. Like, I feel like when parents are overly protective of drugs, it makes people more curious. Yeah. Whereas the parents are like, let's have an open conversation where I'm gonna try to be as understanding as possible I think it makes the kids less interested in drugs

Where's a parent who's like don't even say the W-E-E-D word in this house, you know, don't even oh god You know then I feel like it's the W word. Don't say the W Weed Like water burger Like water burger. Like don't bring that word in the house. I feel like it makes people more curious. Or like we've seen so many serial killers or a lot of like serial rapists whose parents will literally never, who will shame them for even getting a boner, which is all part

of natural biology. Like you're going to have a boner. Wait what? Yeah. If the parents were shame them? Like not necessarily shame them but won't even talk about it, will make them feel dirty for feeling these things or thinking these thoughts or even being curious about the opposite gender, they'll make them feel like that's a very shameful disgusting thing.

But then also these are the same parents like immediately they're like, hey so like when am I gonna get a grand kid and you're like what? What? What? What are you talking about? So then that was pretty much the first grade. He had another moment of like, oh my god, this is so humiliating. All of his classmates were looking at him like, why did you steal the shoes? Jerry, please explain to us. And again, if it wasn't for his first experience with his mom, I think this would have been embarrassing, but it wouldn't have been as traumatizing as it was, because it would just be like, I don't know dude, I just

wanted to steal the shoes, I guess, right? But he already felt like stealing high heels or having high heels was so taboo, and he probably felt like everyone was looking at him with these like taboo like weird like eyes, and so in the second grade, he actually failed the second grade. So the second grade there was a lot of health issues that were happening with Jerry. So he had massive circulation problems in his legs and I'm not entirely sure where this came about to be and I don't know if it's all from neglect but he had to have surgery two times on his legs. His veins would swell up causing his legs to get really really swollen and that was a really big problem. He had laryngeitis, he had measles at one point, he would get these constant fungal infections on his toes and his fingers and that would actually be so severe

that it would require surgery. Now again, I don't know if it's from those high heels, but I'm telling you, don't be putting on shoes from the junkyard until you disinfect them. That's all I gotta say, okay? You gotta disinfect shoes if they've been worn before. By someone you don't know. And so he had these fungal infections, but I don't know if it came from the shoes. It could have been just pure neglect as well, right? Or it could have been a combination of both.

And he would have these chronic migraines that would cause him to vomit. And at one point in his life, he had like lost sight of one of his eyes for a very brief period and time So it was really bad like it was a lot of health issues. This was the second grade So Larry on the other hand he had no health issues He was the favorite child and it's kind of interesting how the psychology of these parents work because you know They start neglecting Jerry the minute that he's born because he's born a son and they wanted a daughter And then now because he's been neglected It's like a cause and effect because he's neglected. He starts becoming like this now once he's like this

It just confirms in the parents head. It's all Jerry's fault Jerry's the weird one because look at Larry our other son that we don't neglect and he's perfectly fine So it's not our problem, it's Jerry's problem. It's not the fact that we're neglectful parents because we have a kid that's doing just fine. So it's like this vicious cycle of them confirming their own bullying in their head because the effects of neglect are starting to show.

Now Larry, he was more popular, he was well liked, he had great, you know, great since school. He was essentially the favorite. The mom would always say, You know, this is why I like layering more in front of Jerry. It's just so odd. So then that's when Jerry started really getting into his little high heel fetish. And I mean, I guess it's not a fetish at this point, but he starts stealing shoes. Yeah, so there was this family of neighbors nearby and they decided to come over for dinner. So they had been invited by the Brutus family and it was parents, it was

a mom and a dad. They had two teenage daughters and they had a boy that was around Jerry's age. So they were all having this like cute little dinner party together and one of the teenage girls she had shown up wearing heels. And so the whole time Jerry was just like staring at her feet, like he would like drop his fork and be like, let me just look onto the dinner table and like, you know, grab my little fork. And she suddenly started feeling ill. I know. No one was poison.

Don't worry. She started feeling a little bit sick and she's like, oh god, like I don't feel good guys. And instead of going all the way home, her parents were like, oh, like why don't you go lay down on the couch? And so the Brutus parents were like, oh no, no, like why don't you go upstairs and lay down on one of the boys this bed? Like, it'll be fine. Like, we're just going to finish up here.

You go upstairs and lay down. And so she goes upstairs. She lays down and she falls asleep on the bed. Now, Jerry, he sneaks upstairs and he's hoping that she had taken off her shoes so that she could sleep on the bed, but she hadn't. She had gone into the bed with her shoes on. So he's like, God dammit.

So then he takes the blanket off of her feet and starts trying to take her shoes off of her, like just prying those heels off of her feet. Now the girl obviously wakes up because like, she's not drugs, you know, like what are you doing? And she looks at this little boy, this like six year old boy, taking her heels off her feet. And she's like, what the fork? Like, this is so weird. But she doesn't tell anyone about it. Like, she doesn't

tell Jerry's parents because like, it's not like that big of a thing. Like, how would you phrase it? Like, I was sleeping in your son trying to take my shoes off. Like, Jerry could be like, you ran my bed with shoes on. You freak, like, take your shoes off. Like Jerry could be like you were in my bed with shoes on, you freak, like take your shoes off before you jump into someone's bed, you creep, you know, like that's what I would say. So she just didn't say anything. She just remembered being like what a weirdo, like what a weird kid. And then she just like went downstairs, joined the rest of the family, had dessert, and then they left. Now that little boy, that little boy that was around Jerry's age from that family, the little brother of that sister that he had just tried to pry the shoes off of they became close friends So Jerry would constantly go to his neighbor's house to hang out without younger brother and they are they started playing a game

Which is a really really creepy game and this was a Jerry's new favorite game Which would be to sneak into that little boys teenage sister's room and steal a bunch of underwear and bring it back to their room and start like trying it on, like touching it and I don't know, like just doing stuff with the panties. I mean, okay, I never like had a kid, I've never raised a son, I wasn't a son, so I don't know, I did read somewhere that it's really normal for kids to do this. It sounds really zero killing. But like for a son to like steal underwear because they're just like confused and they don't know what's going on. Like they're just like, oh, like why do they wear this and why does mine like different from theirs? And just like pure

fascination really. So I heard this isn't like the most alarming thing in the world. Like this is not a situation where if you find your kid like killing a cat you should be like oh my god They need to go to see someone you know, it's getting serious I heard this is something that you can take care of in the safety of your home as parents like just like hey Listen these aren't for you unless you want them to be you know But you got to ask before you take people's things blah blah blah blah It's just a conversation that needs to be had. But it would escalate. So Jerry would actually bring these underwear home

and he would just hide them in his room. So I think that's where it gets a little weird. I think that's where it gets a little weird in the sense that he knows what he's doing is wrong, so he's hiding them. I think if he had questions, maybe he felt like he couldn't talk to his parents about it. I mean, I blame the parents still at this point. So it was just very interesting.

And then when Jerry is about nine or ten years old, he starts another thing. He starts digging a giant hole in his backyard. Like, I'm talking ginormous. Like, it's not like a cute little grave. A cute little grave. Like, a small, but a hole. It's this ginormous hole that he's like planning to dig. And he's like nine years old.

With what muscles, dude? You're tiny. And when he was asked that he's like planning to dig and he's like nine years old with what muscles dude You're tiny and when he was asked why he's digging this hole by his friends by people around him He said that he wanted to create a dungeon and so everyone's like okay, like that's normal You're still nine you're still ten you're probably like trying to keep a little dragon in there like that's so cute And then um they're like what would you do in your dungeon? Like are you gonna have like five dragons in your dungeon? And then he'd be like, no, I wanna keep people in my dungeon.

And then everyone's like, what? And so they start asking a little more questions like what kind of people? Like Barbies, you know? And he's like, no, I guess just people. Like your sister? Like you. Oh my god.

Imagine, in the way that he would describe the people in his dungeon, it was always she or hers. So it was always a female, but he wouldn't necessarily say, like, I want to keep girls in my dungeon, you know? But it was always kind of implied that they would be women in his dungeon. So very, very creepy. He ends up giving up on that dream, I guess, because the whole was taken a long time. And like, I mean, it takes adults like years to make a bunker, and he's like,

I'm gonna make a bunker, you know, so it just didn't work. So then he goes into his teenage years. And in his teenage years, I mean, Jerry just had so many chores. Like his parents were treating him as a maid, like a live-in housekeeper. That was his job. Larry had no chores. None. Larry didn't even do his own laundry. Larry didn't put his dishes in the sink. That was all Jerry's job. And Larry, he could go out, hang out with his friends. I mean, he had a big group of friends. He was popular, he would, he could go on dates if he wanted to, he could go to the movies, and Jerry couldn't do any of that because he had choice to do. So it was just like what the fork. Now during all of this time Jerry also had absolutely no idea about what sex was,

like his parents neglected him, but on top of that even if they didn't they were super crazy conservative, so it was not a conversation that they had inside of their house. Now you're probably thinking, then what about Larry? How did Larry turn out the way that he did? Well Larry had a really big friend group, you know. They were popular boys. They all talk to each other. They all, you know, went to the library, read stuff. Like he had some place where he could communicate and ask questions, not saying that he would get good answers, but at least he knew what sex was and he understood it to some way shape or form. Where Jerry had no idea. And so boys at school around high school, they started making like all these sex jokes and they would all laugh about it. And Jerry would just feel so weird because

he didn't understand it. He'd be like, I don't get what's so funny about that. Like I don't understand what that means. I don't understand what that means. I don't understand any of this. And so he would feel confused and just like, really stupid and ashamed of himself. And he would always think to himself, you know, I grew up on a farm and I saw animals do it and reproduce. But I just don't understand how humans do it.

Like, how does it work in terms of humans? Like, do they, what do they do? Like, he genuinely had no idea about sex until his early 20s. Like he didn't understand that the penis goes into the vagina in terms of like straight, you know, heterosexual sex, right? So he just didn't understand any of that. But he would still have these wet dreams because that's all part of growing up as a guy I heard.

I don't know. So he would have these wet dreams where he would wake up in the middle of the night and he would have had ejaculated all over himself right and his mom would go absolutely crazy if she ever saw this. That is weird. What? So we don't know the context of the dream. No. Because he doesn't even know how it works. Yeah. So we probably assume it has to do with high heels maybe yeah, right? They said he said high heels are his porn he would later even go to prison and a mass a catalog of high heels What just like the magazines that is

High heels. Yeah, it's weird So then he would have these wet dreams and his mom would go crazy and she would make him scrub the sheets in front of him while she yelled at him about how nasty he is. Well, it's just like, okay, I'm so scared of having a son because they seem like tough conversations, but I definitely don't think I would yell at them and call them nasty for something so normal. And she was just a crazy person. And so Jerry decided to snoop into Larry's room one day, because he's like, listen, I can't be the only one going through this. Like, there's no way.

Like, what is wrong with me? I know that Larry has the same parents as me. Like, does he know what this is? Like, does he know what what dreams are? And so Larry was in home one day. He goes into his room, and he starts snooping around. I don't know what he's looking for. But he opens a drawer, and he sees a drawer full of naked

women. Okay, no, that sounds like he's a kidnapper. A drawer full of drawings of naked women and these were hand drawings. These were no Picasso's. These were literally Larry was sitting there drawing like boobies onto a piece of paper. And you know, back in the day, they didn't really have the internet, so they had to like use their imagination. So he would like draw the, and then yeah, anyways.

So then he would take these drawings into his room. Jerry took them into his room, and he was just studying them. This is the first time he's ever seen a naked woman, and it was just a drawing that his brother did. And his brother is not an artist. So it wasn't even a good drawing. It was probably like two circles as boobs, you know? And so he's like staring at them like, what? Like this is what a woman looks like. Which is kind of crazy because you would think that when you're a teenage boy, you'd kind of already have an idea, you know?

Yeah. And so he's like, what? And he's just gasping. When his mom walks in, sees these drawings, and she's like, you nasty little hoe, you drew these women, and he didn't even argue. He didn't even say no, I didn't draw these women. No, I found them in Larry's room.

And I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that his mom wouldn't believe him, and then he'd be in more trouble for lying. So he was just like whatever. So he took the punishment, and it just was weird. So this is another layer of punishing him for natural curiosity. So he just feels like he has to suppress any sort of curiosity of the opposite gender, of anything that's related to sex or anything even taboo.

And he said that at this moment, he already felt like a serial killer just by having these natural thoughts. Like she was treating him as if he's like this disgusting monster. You know, it's almost like he was like, Hey, mom, I'm fantasizing about like popping the head off of our pet dog. And she would look at him like that. But it's just so natural. So he starts hating women. And he felt like his mom was a representation of all women and he just hated all women. Because he felt like anything that had to do with women, if he even looked at a woman, he looked at a drawing of a woman he would get in trouble. He looked at shoes of a woman, he'd get in trouble, he looked at the heels of a woman,

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That was like my biggest insecurity when I was coming up because I had these massive cheeks so it made it look like my nose and my mouth and my eyes were all like at the center of my face and not like evenly spread out. I grew into my face okay my face is getting I was gonna say better and I was like it's getting more like even less full you know yeah it's not a full, you know, yeah It's not a full moon, you know so back in the day people used to call me moon face and they called Jerry moon face He had acne. He was a little bit overweight He also had red hair, which I don't know why people didn't like that But I think red hair so unique and attractive

But um people didn't like the fact that he had red hair So everyone used to make fun of Jerry and nobody was interested in it at all. So this led to him getting curiosity, his curiosity quenched in different arenas, different areas, and I want to say the criminal arena. And he started stealing women's underwares. How would he do this? He would go and look at people's backyards and see if like, so it was really popular to dry your clothes outside in your backyard on like a clothes line, right? Like a clothing line and he would go and he would see women drying their clothes

and of course there would be underwear involved because you know, you gotta wash your underwear and you gotta dry it somehow and he would go and steal the underwear that was just off their clothing line. Like he would just steal it and then eventually he was like, oh my gosh, there's not enough panties drying out in the wild

on a daily basis. Like, I want to steal like five panties a day, but I only get maybe like one a week. It just wasn't frequent enough. It just wasn't hitting the spot. So he would eventually escalate into breaking into woman's homes just to steal their underwear. So then he would bring these undies back in his pocket,

back to his room, he would rush upstairs, lock the door, and he would try to masturbate to the underwear. Now, he could never orgasm, he could never climax, he would masturbate on and on and on and nothing would come to it. Like that was really weird phrasing. Like nothing would come out of it. Okay, that was again really weird phrasing. He would just never ejaculate, he could never climax. He could never experience a full orgasm and he was starting to get really really frustrated. Why? Why is it that he can only orgasm during a wet dream? Like

he can only ejaculate in his dreams. He can never, while he's awake, ejaculate at this point and he's getting frustrated. Like is there something wrong with me? So he decides to find out for himself. He said you know maybe it's because underwear really doesn't do it for people Like all of the kids in my high school. They're talking about how they love seeing women naked Like they're all doing it losing their v-cards. Maybe I need to do something similar like that. So at 17 years old He goes under cover. I mean this is gonna be the dumbest thing ever So he goes and knocks on the home of a girl that he had recently stolen underwear from. So she knows that her underwear had been stolen, right? Her house had been burglarized and all they took were her

undies. So she opens the door and he says, listen, I'm an undercover cop and I'm investigating the local panty thief. And she says, what? And he's like, okay, can I come in to ask you a couple questions? Wasn't your underwear stolen? And she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. I did report it. And he says, yeah, yeah, great. So I just have some questions. And so he asks her a couple questions.

Like, did you notice anyone weird snooping around? And she's like, no, like I was, you know, out and about. And then I came home and my undies were taken. And he says, okay, well, I've got some further questions, but we need to do it at my house. So why don't you come to my house at this specific date and time? And we kind of think that he probably did this because, you know, like his parents weren't gonna be home,

they're, you wasn't gonna be home. So it was a specific date and time. And he said, you're gonna help with this massive sting operation. He's like, we're gonna make it seem like you own this house. And then, you know, you've got panties Just lying around and we're gonna try to learn the person in and we're also gonna like, you know I need to ask you more specifics about the panty thief blah blah blah blah blah and then he was like, okay Well, thanks for your time lady and he leaves now this lady. I mean she kind of knows that

Something's weird like this isn't normal. First of all like no undercover cop knocks on your door and says I'm an undercover cop. Right? That's like rule number one of going undercover. Is that your undercover? You don't tell people that you're a cop. Let's literally rule number one. Rule number two is like, this isn't a police station. Why would I go to this police officer's home? Even if he was a real police officer, this seems all sorts of illegal. But for some reason, she was like, you know, what's the worst that could happen? So she ends up going and when she gets to the house that she was given the address to at that specific time,

she knocks on the door and all of a sudden, a second floor window opens up and she sees Jerry, the same guy that said he was a cop, shout from the second floor, hey, just let yourself in and come upstairs. So she opens the front door, it was unlocked, she lets herself in, goes upstairs. So she opens the front door. It was unlocked. She lets herself in, goes upstairs. And when she gets to that room, that window was facing,

like she was able to go upstairs and be like, oh, well, it's facing the front of the house. So obviously, so she goes into that room. And she can't find the cup. So she's like, hello, is anyone here? Like, what's going on? And then all of a sudden, the closet door bursts open. And it's Jerry wearing a mask

with a knife in his hand. And then he tells the woman to start undressing. This is in Jerry's house by the way, okay, just keep this in mind. So she's scared he has a knife in his hand, she starts taking off all of her clothes. He puts the knife to her throat and she's completely naked and he says I need you to pose for pictures. So he demands that she pose for all these nude, unconcentual fucking pictures and he takes a whole film's worth of photos. Then he realizes, oh well that's all I wanted. Like I just wanted pictures of a naked woman because I don't know what they look like really. Like this is his

first time seeing a naked woman. So he's like, I wanted to take pictures. Now that he had the pictures, he was like, well, I guess that's it, right? So he runs away from his own house. He runs away from the crime scene, which is his house and his bedroom, okay? And then when he goes outside, he throws away the mask that he was wearing when he jumped out of the closet, his knife, and his camera. And he runs back into the house. And that's when he runs into

the woman who's now like grabbing all of her clothes trying to run out of there because she's like what the fork just happened right and now this is the undercover cop right and he says oh my god are you okay like while I had shouted out the window to tell you to come upstairs this masked man just like jumped out of nowhere and locked me in the back shed and I just managed to get out. Is she believing this? She does not, but she goes along with it because she knew that something was weird. She felt like Jerry was setting her up and she just felt like she just needed to get out of there.

So she was like, oh my god, like I didn't see his face. Like, thank God you're okay. And he was like, I think God you're okay. And she's like anyways, and she leaves. Now the lady doesn't end up going to the police, right away. She ends up going to the police after Jerry's caught for his serial killings because, I mean, first of all,

like, there's really no proof she felt. And because Jerry knew her address and just, like, imagine the trauma which has happened. Like, he knew her address. This isn't a crime where Jerry's going to be in prison for a long time. He's probably going to get out on bail. He's probably going to be, like be like max spend one night in jail and people like this are gonna be really angry

So yeah, she took pictures today, but he might do much worse to her later And I mean there's she can't blame it on anyone else and be like no the other girl You did this to like she's just scared so she doesn't of the police. Jerry goes to like the photo developer, gets the film rolled developed and he goes back home and he's shocked. What? He said that he didn't expect a naked woman to look like that. He just didn't expect the private parts to look like the private parts that they look like. Which like same dude everyone goes to that. Where they like that's what my vagina looks like. That's what a penis looks like. were they like that's what my vagina looks like that's what a penis looks like okay we all have that moment Jerry was having his moment but the only problem was it was with these illegal forced pictures non-concentral pictures and so

he said at first he was just taken a back and he didn't even want to look at them but then later he got used to it and started looking at them like every day every night just would constantly look at these pictures of the naked woman. Then he was like, man, these photos aren't doing it for me. Like I need more. So then he decided on a new plan to attack a woman. This time he wanted to fully assault a woman. So he asked her to go from school if she needed a ride home. And she was like, oh my gosh, like, thanks, that's really nice. So she gets into his car. And he starts driving. But instead of taking her home, he drives to like this really remote area and forces her to undress to take pictures. Now this is a girl from school. So she's like, um, no, Jerry. And she says, no to him, like

straight to his face. And this pisses him off so much because like how dare women say no. And so he starts beating her up violently. And randomly, a car ends up pulling up and hearing this commotion, which is kind of crazy because this was like a really remote area, and no cars were passing at the time. Like this wasn't on the side of like freaking La Siannega and Wilshar, right? So it was just kind of really good timing. The people get out of the car and they start investigating and they're like, hey, like what's going on? And Jerry looks at them in the eye with his whole chest. And he says, you know, I was driving and she fell out of my car. That's why she's bleeding and looks all bruised up. It's because, you know, while I was driving like 30 miles an hour for some reason,

the door just popped open and she fell out the car. And right now, I'm just comforting her because she's so scared. Isn't that right? Isn't that right? And the girl was so scared and so shook that she couldn't even talk, she was just crying and bleeding. And so thankfully the people that had just pulled up in that car they did not believe Jerry's story because I mean the amount of blood that there was but also the situation is just weird. Like who just falls out of a moving vehicle. Like that doesn't make any sense. So they're like, oh, okay, you're right. Well, why don't we just take her to the police?

So the people in the car take her to the hospital and they had reported everything to the police. The witnesses were strong. Like it wasn't even being like, oh my stepbrother who I hate beat up this girl. It was like a random stranger. So the police are like, okay, like do you remember the guy's name and she's like, yeah,

I go to school with him, his name is Jerry. So the police are like, let's go to Jerry's house to investigate. So they go into his house and they start searching around with a search word. And they find pictures of that first woman. And you can just tell from the pictures that I mean, like she just like really wasn't trying to take these pictures. Like you can tell she looks so scared. She looks terrified. She looks she didn't want to be there. And they also find a huge collection of stolen underwear. There was underwear that dated to over a decade ago.

From 10 years ago, remember when he was like six or seven stealing on panties from his friend's older sister that he tried to take the shoes off of? Yeah. He had kept underwear from over 10 years ago. Now, Jerry was able to talk his way out of the underwear. Because technically, it's not a crime to have women's underwear in your house.

It's not a crime to have or buy them. He could say it was his girlfriends underwear. He could say that he bought those underwear. I mean, there was no proof that he physically went into people's homes to steal that underwear. But also, think about underwear. Like, let's say someone came into my house burglarized me and all they took was my black thongs, okay?

I go to the police. They find someone who was black thongs. How can I say that they didn't just go to the same store and buy these generic black thongs? You know, like it's, there's no way to say that that is definitively mine and they stole them from me. And so then the police were like, okay fine, that explains the underwear,

but what about the pictures? There's no denying that she is a terrified naked woman in the pictures. And he said, well, here's the thing. I don't even know this woman, you know? I went to school one day, and one of the high school bullies came up to me and was like, hey, you're gonna go develop this film?

Or I'm gonna beat you up. And so I went and developed it, and I was gonna go give it back to him, but um, yeah, that's it. And so I don't know, I mean the pictures were never released, obviously, but I don't know, maybe it was like against a wall because I'm wondering like why couldn't they identify the pictures to have been taken inside of Jerry's house, which doesn't make sense to me, but it seems like the police said that there wasn't like a hundred percent evidence that Jerry was the one who took the pictures, even if they could conclude that it was in Jerry's house. It could have been Larry, it could have been his,

you know, dad, it could have been anyone. So the pictures and underwear, it seems like he's just gonna get away with it. So the police were like, okay, we can't really charge him for this, but we can charge him for the attack on the schoolgirl because there's witnesses, she went to the hospital, so we're gonna take him to court. So we get to take him to court and because he's 17 at the time, he sentenced to just time in a psychiatric hospital. And during this time, he gets diagnosed with a couple of things. The first diagnosis is that they said that he had an adjustment reaction from adolescents

with sexual deviation and fetishism, which is just a very elaborate, weird way of saying like, oh, he's being an awkward teenager. And they said that he would simply grow out of it. He would simply grow up and not be such a weird purve. That's what they said. And then they diagnosed him with schizophrenia. Now, this type of schizophrenia is little different

from all the other serial killers, schizophrenia diagnosis that we've talked about. This was kind of a blanket term that they gave. So these days, schizophrenia is a very specific mental illness and you have to have very specific symptoms and there have to be multiple different doctors who are like, okay, listen, I think this is what's going on. But back in the day, schizophrenia was kind of like this blanket term for anyone who was mentally ill that they just didn't understand.

They were like, it seems to be some form of schizophrenia. So they just diagnosed him with that and the diagnosis also lets doctors start experimenting with different medicines to give, so they just experimented on him for the next seven months to a year that he was held there. Now he wasn't really held, like he was allowed to go out during the day to go to school and he would come at night to the ward and he would just sleep there. So it was weird. Now he ends up graduating in high school from this Psychiatric ward and he didn't have any friends. I mean, it's so crazy I think this is probably the most insulting thing is that he wasn't even the talk of the high school

Like imagine if someone from your high school not even a puppy a kid not even a creepy kid Just someone in your high school Assaulted another person from your high school and is now in a psychiatric ward Like people are gonna be talking about it, right? Yeah, but nobody even cared like literally nobody even cared to talk about it They were just like oh he's weird Nobody I don't know that's just how little people cared about him It seemed nobody was like what that's crazy like, oh, what a weirdo. And they just moved on.

So he wasn't even bullied. And I don't know if that's worse because, you know, he's neglected at home, bullied at home. But then at school, it's not even like he's bullied so he can have an emotion. It's like he's simply not there. So after he graduates from high school, he tries to go to college, but he's a pretty lazy dude. So he ends up dropping out and joining the army. Now, during the army is where some weird shit starts to happen. There's a Korean woman involved, okay? So he joins the army and he gets a mechanical engineering position at the army. Now, he learns all about electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, and he was really good with it. Like, he was like, people described him from the army in the beginning,

that he would get along with everyone. He was a normal dude He was really good like he had a nag for and like electrical shit like he would be a really good electrician I sound like I have no idea what electricity is. I'm like, what is that? Like they were like, you know, he would be really good He could definitely have a career after the army then it started getting weird like all of it was completely fine Then it started getting weird. He starts complaining about how he was getting harassed every single night. Now who was he complaining to? All of like his dorm people. So in the army you have to share the room with a bunch of people.

A bunch of other army people. And he started complaining every single morning to the same people that he shared the room with, how every single night in the middle of the night he was getting harassed by a Korean woman. And they're like, first of all, we're not stationed in Korea. And what? the room with how every single night in the middle of the night he was getting harassed by a Korean woman. And they're like, first of all, we're not stationed in Korea. And what? Is there a Korean woman there? No, I mean, there are, but like not really. Like it wasn't like a plethora of Korean women in the army.

They hear Stephanie Su's voice. And so he's like, yeah, I get harassed every single night by a Korean woman. Sounds like my life. Oh my god, now I can't say the next thing. She would break into the room while everyone asleep the Korean woman and she would ignore all of these other army men and go straight to Jerry and just constantly try to have sex with him. Honey!

And he just didn't want it. He was like, God, Korean women. I'm not horny today. And this Korean woman, I mean, she's just, wow, such a stereotypical, subservient, Korean, submissive, sex-free, who just loves Caucasian men. We can't help ourselves. It was just a really weird thing. Like, he was just like, God, she's just like constantly finds me and just like wants me to fuck her so bad

And everyone is just like that's not happening like that's not happening It almost seems a little racist to be honest, but it's definitely not happening like we sleep in the same room as you and no offense Kevin's hotter than you, you know, like they're just like this doesn't make any sense, okay, dude So like they didn't understand if he was having these crazy hyper realistic dreams or If this was his weird Anti-social way of like trying to brag to these dudes that like oh, I'm just as cool as y'all, you know Like I'm just as wanted and as manly as you guys and then some of the dorms people were like Maybe he's like hallucinating like we don't understand is he lying or is this happening in his head that he believes it so they don't know so they recommended that he go see

an army psychiatrist like they went to the army psychiatrist and they were like hey you should probably talk to this dude like he's kind of weird so the army psychiatrist has one session one session which Jerry Burtos and he was officially discharged from the army after one session. So we can kind of assume some shit was happening. That record I don't think has ever been publicly released of what happened in that one session, but it seems like some shit happened. So now Jerry is 20 years old and he has to move in back

with his parents because he doesn't really have a place to stay. He doesn't have a job like he no longer is in the army so he can't stay on base. So he's like, what the heck? So he goes home now this is like a new house. So Larry had a room but Jerry didn't have a room because he went to the army and now Larry was at college so Jerry had taken Larry's room. But then Larry came home from college and was like get the fuck out of my room. So then Jerry was like okay like where am I gonna live? So the parents were like why don't you live in the shed that we have outside? So he starts living in the shed full time

He had blocked out the windows to make it just super dark inside super private and instead of getting a job He would just go out onto like these busy areas like he would go downtown He would go to like we're all like the malls and he would just watch people Like watch women like he'd sit on a bench and just watch women walk by and like look at their heels, like you would just watch them. Then I started getting really bad. One day, as he's watching these women, he sees a woman with a red dress and these red heels on and he's starting to get attracted.

He's like, damn. So he decides he needs to follow her and he ends up following her all day and then all the way back to her apartment at the end of the day Now instead of turning around now and going home and being like oh my god like how did I end up here? Like what's wrong with me? I should probably get some help He was like I'm gonna wait until she unlocks her apartment door And I'm gonna sneak up behind her and then he really have a plan So then it started happening like he's coming up with his plan as it's happening. And so he finally sneaks up behind her as she's opening her apartment door,

chokes her until she's fully unconscious. Now mind you, she did not get a look at his face because all of this was happening while she was innocently just trying to enter her own apartment and he started choking her. So she drops to the ground unconscious at this point and he starts panicking. He's like, what do I do?

What do I do? At first he's like, did I freaking kill this woman? Like, did I kill her? If I killed her, like, do you think the cops would believe me if I told them it was an accident? Or he's like, okay, like, what if I just like leave her now? She probably didn't see my face. Like, maybe I could get away with this. Or he's like, what if I rape this woman, you know? Like, could I do that? Like, he's thinking about all of these things. So, after a long thought process, he decides that he only wants her shoes. So, he doesn't move her body, he just takes off her red heels,

and he takes them home with him. And he said that he finally felt powerful, and he finally felt like a release of pent-up emotions, just by taking her shoes with him. Interesting. And he would sleep with them like a teddy bear at night, and he would continue to do this to a ton of different women. He would choke them until they fell unconscious,

and he would steal their shoes off their feet, their high heels, off their feet. And he had a huge collection of high heels that he would rotate and sleep with them, like he'd be like, Tuesdays, are for this green pair. Wednesdays are for this pink pair of stilados. But he only wants shoes that he, that's the only way he, he doesn't just go to a store by shoes or he wants to warm shoes that, from woman that he found attractive. Yes, but also like, psychiatrists have studied this case and they said,

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So we start working at a radio station, okay? And he makes friends at this radio station. He still can make any female friends, but the dudes at this radio station, they love him. They're like, wow, you're kind of cool, you're kind of fun. But tell us more about this Korean woman at the army. We want to know more.

And so he starts confiding in them that, you know, other than this Korean woman who would harass him at night, he's never had a girlfriend. And they're like, what? And so one of the guys decided to set him up with one of his female friends. Her name was Darcy Metzler and she was 17 years old. Now at this time, Jerry was 22 years old. So right now, this would be highly illegal, this, your canceled, you should be in prison,

jail, right? But back in the day, it wasn't that crazy, I guess. He was a match made in heaven. He was a match made in heaven. It was a match made in heaven. Now Darcy was completely out of his league. I mean, she was beautiful. She was literally the attention of a lot of males' eyes. And she just, just for some reason, was drawn to Jerry.

And I'm not saying this because Jerry is less attractive than him, that's not the case. But it's the fact that, you know, Jerry was not, particularly a nice person. He wasn't very funny. He just didn't really have a stellar personality. And he was a panathy thief. And she loved him.

And a lot of it had to do with the fact that her parents hated him. So she was like, you know, I'm 17. Like, I'm trying to do things that my parents don't want me to do. And she liked the idea of having this older guy because, you know, it's like very protective. It's like this sexy, masculine, right? And she really fell in love with the idea of Jerry, unless... Yeah, yeah. You know, Topper, you don't love me, you love the idea of being seen with me. You get it. So that was kind of the situation that Darcy wasn't. And Jerry, he wanted to dominate

Darcy. He was like, oh, this is perfect because I'm 22. She's 17 and I could just control her and I could make her do whatever I wanted because I am a misogynistic hoe. And he was really excited. But then Jerry realized that he really loved her. Started falling in love, yeah. He didn't want to hate her. He didn't want to dominate her.

He didn't want to choke her and steal her heels. He just really loved her. So he would start sending Darcy flowers. He would open doors for her, which is really, you know, seems like the bare minimum, but it was a lot for Jerry. So within a couple months, he's like, um, let's get married. So he goes over to Darcy's house and asks his, Darcy's dad for her hand in marriage, which is like a very thing that they used to do. They should still do it these days. And he was like, no, absolutely not. You are a piece of poo and we don't want you marrying our kid. And so he goes to Darcy and he says, listen, I wanted to propose to you, but your parents said, no, what should we do? So they come up with this crazy plan. They said, listen, Darcy's parents would be more against her having a kid out of wedlock than her getting married to Jerry.

So she just needs to get pregnant. So they were like, okay, this is amazing. So six weeks of meeting Jerry, she was already pregnant with his kid. And his parents agreed that they should get married. So they end up getting married. Now, this is when Jerry is like, listen, I've got a house rule for you. There's one thing, you can do anything in this house, you can have fun, you know, you can giggle, you can laugh. Ooh, I'm such a nice person. But I've got one rule, which is do anything in this house, you can have fun, you know, you can giggle, you can laugh, ooh I'm such a nice person. But I've got one rule, which is that if you're cooking or cleaning, folding laundry, or anything else that only you do because you are a female in the 60s, what a time to be alive, right?

You would have to do it completely naked wearing nothing but a pair of high heels. And she agreed to it because I mean, she's like, this is my husband. I'm gonna put an effort into this relationship. I want to make it work. So then she would do that and he would start taking photos of her doing household chores completely naked in a pair of high heels. And so she would just like pose for them. She wasn't against it. So it seems like this is the first time I was consensual for Jerry to be doing something like this. So they welcomed their first child and they had a daughter by the name of Megan. And even when she was growing up to be a toddler, this is where it gets weird.

The parents would just run around the house naked, like butt naked, Darcy and Jerry, they would be naked all the time. I mean, this is weird, but I guess maybe it's okay if they're an infant, but when they become a toddler, you're really traumatizing your kid. Like, this is not It's a little weird. He's like the total opposite of what his mom was yeah

So the mom was like we can't even talk about heels and now he's like let's don't go naked Let's be all naked But he wasn't even doing it in the sense of like a nudist like he wasn't trying to teach her a kid like no You should embrace your naked skin like it wasn't anything like that It was just like I just want my you know wife to be naked all the time So I can look at her naked bod and it was so weird because Darcy would even pose naked with a pair of high heels on Megan's like bike that they just bought her which is starting to hit a territory that is just so alarming So then Darcy starts getting upset by this She's like you know what? Wait a minute when she was an infant. This was okay

But now she's a toddler and I feel like we're gonna traumatize her. I feel like I'm being naked all the time. It's like doing something weird in my kid and I don't like it. So she says, listen, I'm not gonna be naked around the house anymore. And on top of that, be it. We've been married for what, how many years now? I'm done wearing these high heels.

It's impractical. I don't want to cook and clean while I'm wearing heels. That doesn't make sense. My back is hurting. She was actually starting to have knee issues and back issues because, I mean, wearing heels can already hurt you, but imagine doing it while you're doing cooking

and cleaning and vacuuming. Like, it's just not gonna be good for you. And Jerry, being the really understanding husband that he is, he starts getting mad at her. He says, you don't love me anymore. You used to do this for me and now you don't. So obviously, that means you don't love me anymore. And you make me feel like a freak for even wanting these things, you know. Why is it so weird that I want you to wear heels? Stop making me feel like the freak. And he was just manipulating the shit out of her. They're weird. So he would constantly lose his jobs starting at this point very similar to his

father and he would constantly get new jobs as an electrician at different like radio stations and finally they were they were moving around a lot too. They finally settled in Portland or again and they got pregnant again. Now Jerry really hoped that this one was a boy which is weird because that's exactly what his mom did and he got exactly what he wished because they had a son. So Jason was born. And Darcy didn't want Jerry in the delivery room when she was giving birth. Why? We don't know. And he said, why not? I was there the first time you gave birth. Yeah. And it caused Jerry to really become insecure in their relationship.

He just felt like she didn't love him anymore. And maybe there was a good reason because it seemed like Darcy was really over him. Like she refused to sleep with him. She tried to spend as much time out of the house away from him as possible because divorce wasn't really common back in the day. So she was like, whatever, I have to live with this dude, but I don't have to love this dude. And Jerry starts feeling neglected

and he starts feeling upset. So he goes back to his old ways and he starts stealing underwear from clothing lines outside. Now he would bring them home, he's like building a bigger collection which by the way every single time he moved he brought all of his undies and high heels with him. Like he was getting a decades-long collection of underwear. So one day he decides desperately to try to get his wife's attention and so he put on all of the underwear, took a bunch of pictures in them, got them developed, and laid them around the house where Darcy would find them. And who put on

underwear? Jerry. And he put on underwear, his woman's underwear, and then take picture of it, and then put it around the house. Yeah. And he felt like this would bring up a conversation. Maybe it'd be an uncomfortable conversation where Darcy would be like, what's going on? You know, where did you get this underwear, first of all, and second of all, why are you wearing it? Why did you put these pictures here? of all, and second of all, why are you wearing it? Why did you put these pictures here? Did you want me to find out? Do we need to have a conversation?

But she just kind of threw it away. She never brought it up. And so Jerry was really upset by that. So then Jerry goes back to his even worse ways of stalking and stealing underwear from insides of people's houses. And that's around the same time that he had a massive injury at work.

So he's an electrician, he was working with these electrical wires and he had touched a live wire. I'm talking 480 volts straight to the nipples. It could have been, sorry, it could have been fatal. He flew across the room. He even injured his neck from flying across the room. Like it was a really, like he could have died. And the theory is that during this injury, he damaged the part of his brain that controls his impulses when he was Electrocuted with 480 volts straight to the nipples

It wasn't to the nipples, but you get it And so he starts complaining of headaches and blackouts after this injury at work and all of his crimes start escalating So one night he's stalking this woman and he just thought about doing the same thing of knocking her unconscious and taking her shoes. But when he follows her back to the apartment, he decides to watch her go into the apartment and find out which unit was hers by which light that she had turned on.

Now, he waits outside the apartment, make sure that there was enough time, so she fell asleep, then he broke into her apartment, and he said that he was just there looking for underwear he could steal. He was just there looking for underwear. He could steal. He was like, I need underwear today. Like I can't do it with heels. I need underwear today. But then she woke up and she was like, what are you doing in my house? Who are you? And he starts panicking because he doesn't have a mask on. Like she can identify him to the police.

So he jumps onto the bed, onto the woman and strangles her until she's unconscious. So now she's knocked out on her bed, and that's when he rapes her. And he said this was the full satisfaction he had been looking for. Strangling and beating people and stealing their shoes, stealing underwear, I mean, yeah, it was like taking the power back, it was satisfying. But he said that unconscious women were the ultimate satisfaction. And then he started thinking, wait a minute, if I like unconscious women this much, what if they were dead?

Then they're really unconscious. I wouldn't have this anxiety of them waking up anytime soon. They would just be completely unconscious forever. And he would even, the later heard saying that his ideal world, imagine this, the ideal world, is that he would have freezers full of women's dead bodies to take them out whenever he wanted to rape them. Oh, Lord! So he was a necrophiliac to the fullest.

So his first murder victim, her name is Linda Slosson. She was a 19 year old encyclopedia saleswoman in Cycopedia. Yeah, so she would go door to door and instead of like Girl Scout cookie, she'd be like, hey, do you guys need a set of encyclopedias? That's wild back in the day, yeah. media saleswoman in Psychopedia. Yeah, so she would go door to door and instead of like Girl Scout cookie, she'd be like, hey, do you guys need a set of Encyclopedias? That's wild back in the day, yeah. And so she'd be like, do you need an Encyclopedia?

And so she would knock door to door and she ended up knocking on Jerry Brutus' door. And he did not give a fork about Encyclopedias. He does not like Encyclopedias, but he was like, oh, that's interesting. Encyclopedias, you know what? I've been looking for some Encyclopedias. Why don't you come into my basement,

where my office is, and we can talk some more about some encyclopedias. Now Linda Slasin, she was really excited because she was trying to make money for college and she wanted to pay rent this month. So she was like, yeah, she's about to sell a sentence encyclopedias. So she goes down into the basement

and the white thing kids are all upstairs. They're home. So she's, you know, she's feeling a little secure. Like, he's got a wife, who's home? He's got kids who are home. So she goes into the basement and she sits down and they're in the middle of a conversation. And all of a sudden, Jerry Brito gets up

from the middle of the conversation and Linda's looking at him and he's like, oh, don't worry, like I'm describing that water behind you. And he walks behind her. And when she's like not turning back and looking at him because that's kind of socially weird to do do I guess. So she's just like sitting there waiting for him to go sit back down in front of her when he grabs a wooden plank and knocks her out and he checks her pulse and realized that she was still

alive and he couldn't have that because you know his wife and kids are home. So he strangles her so hard by her throat that he even hurt her bones break. So he made sure that she was dead, and then he hid her under the basement stairs, just in case his wife and his kids came downstairs, and he went upstairs after he hid her and asked Darcy, his wife, to take his kids out for dinner. So then she did. So then now he was home alone. He completely undressed Linda

and put on practically every set of underwear that he had ever stolen and the heels. So he was like changing from like, oh, let me try this like red set with this pair of heels, like just clothing her, I guess. And if he liked a particular set on her, he would take pictures of her dead body posed. And he said it was the happiest he'd ever been. He wanted to keep Linda forever. He wanted to do this every day. He wanted to put on different underwear for her every single day, different heels for her every single day.

And he was thinking about how he could do it, but he realized that she wouldn't fit in the freezer in the basement. She just wasn't big enough. But also, what if one of the kids came downstairs in the basement one day and opened up the freezer and they just saw Linda's dead body? But also, if she's not frozen, then she would start decomposing and we can't have that. So he decided to dispose of her body. But before he did, he said let me take a trophy.

So he grabs a hacksaw while his wife and kids are out at dinner and saws off her foot to keep it. So he wanted to keep her foot frozen so that he could keep trying on his high heels on her feet and he could stare at her feet. Okay, like high heels are cute. But if I saw a decapitated foot on a high heel, I would scream, I would cry, I would literally throw up. But he's like, he's like, he's like, this is the best thing ever. Wow. And so his family finally comes home and he acts like nothing happened. He's like, how's your dinner?

They go to sleep. And in the middle of the night, he wakes up. He puts Linda's body into his car. He drives to a bridge near his house that's overlooking a river. And he gets a spare tire out of his car. He did this. He thought this through.

He said, if I get a spare tire out of my car, if someone drives by, they just think that I'm a man with a flat tire. And then he tied Linda's body to a car engine and threw her over the bridge. Now, Linda's family and friends, they're freaking out. They're like, oh my gosh, she was just trying to sell some encyclopedias and now she's missing. So they follow missing persons report, the police start searching for her. And they find her car abandoned. There's no clues, there's no break, and there's nothing like literally Linda just vanished. So they're like, what do we do?

What do we do? And slowly, of course, the case fell break, and there's nothing like literally Linda just vanished. So they're like, what do we do? What do we do? And slowly, of course, the case fell cold, like so many others do, and this was Jerry's biggest high in life. He just was having so much fun. To the point where months would pass, and the foot started decaying, so then Jerry was like, oh god. Now the foot doesn't even look like a foot anymore, so he went to the same bridge, and threw the foot into the water. So I mean, this is a weird trophy. So killers take a lot of like memorabil anymore, so he went to the same bridge and threw the foot into the water. So I mean, this is a weird trophy. So killers take a lot of like memorabilia,

they take trophies, they take these things, and some of them are just so strange. Like we know Bundy, we know Dom are they like heads, Dom are like genitals, and he would just keep them. You know, he would soak them in acetone to try to preserve them, but there was also a guy named Ahmed Suraji who believed himself to be a sorcerer. He thought he was Harry Potter and he would kill 42 different women.

And he felt like if he killed them, he would gain their powers. But he would also drain them and drink their saliva. Not even their blood. Fort? I hate the smell of saliva. But he would just like drink their saliva. All the while he he had three wives at home and his three wives were sisters. So it's really confusing. I might do a story on him because he's intense.

There was a guy by the name of Charles Albright. He was convicted of only one murder, but he ended up taking her eyes as a trophy. And then of course, we remember Ed Gain, who had the nipple belt and the lampshades made of human skin. So um this is by far probably one of the weirdest trophies too. So he would take our foot. Then he decides to relocate his family back to Salem, Oregon and they get this new place and he has this garage. So he says, listen, none of the family can come into the garage unless they intercom me with the garage intercom that he had set up. Like no one can come in without letting me know first.

It was constantly locked. Inside of this garage, he kept his collection of shoes, his underwear, and eventually his bodies that he would keep. Now this wasn't really that odd to the family because he would constantly do these little experiments or projects in the garage. He really loved working with Rezon, which I know is really popular on TikTok right now, which is like, you know, you can have like these resin coasters, which you're encasing flowers or glitter into like this plastic substance, so it's liquid and then it hardens. And it's very poisonous. Like,

you have to wear a mask and you have to wear eye glasses like protective gear when you're working with resin because it's toxic. And so that was kind of as the excuse of why these kids and why his wife shouldn't come into the garage without letting him know first. And nobody questioned it. So then his next murder victim was Jan Susan Whitley. She was 23 years old. She was on her way home for Thanksgiving break. So her car breaks down in the middle of the highway. And these random two men had stopped to help her. And they realized like we can't help you. Like it's not a spare tire. Like you need a completely new part your car is not gonna work and that's when another male stops in his name is Jerry Brudos and he

said oh yep I know exactly what happened this is the part that you need I have it at home why don't you guys all come and pick it up right I'll fix it for you for free and now all the guys were like oh this seems like a shut and done case like we knew that that was the part that she needed and he knows the same thing. So it doesn't sound like this is like a creepy dude. So they were like, okay, a little like, if you don't need us anymore, we're going to be on our merry way because it's Thanksgiving break. Like, we've got stuff to do.

We've got a Bryn R. Turkey. So she was like, oh, Jan's like, oh, thank you guys so much. So Jan gets into Jerry's car and just the two of them, they drive his house to get the car part so that they can bring it back to Jan's car and fix it, right? Because Jan's car can't move anywhere. Now, when they get to the driveway, he's like, oh shit Jan, I forgot my house key. I locked myself out of the house. Do you think we can wait for my wife to get home to open the house for us? Now Jan was like, oh my gosh, first of all, this man is gonna fix this car for free. Like, that's amazing.

Second of all, his wife is gonna be home. And the fact that he was like, do you mind just waiting for my wife? Like it just, it made her feel really secure. So they're waiting in the car, they're just talking about nonsense. When all of a sudden Jerry's like, hey, do you wanna play a game? Uh, what kind of game? Can you tell me with just words? How to tie a bow without physically using your hands to show me the motions Like teach someone who has never tied a bow and is blind how to do it with words

And she's like that's so easy tying a bow is so easy and he was like, okay, well, let's test it So I'm gonna get into the back seat of the car and I'm gonna try to tie a bow just using your words You can't look at me and I can't look at you. And she's like, oh, yeah, of course. So he gets into the backseat and instead of tying a bow, he grabs a leather strap, wraps it around Jan's neck, and starts pulling as hard as he can and strangles her until she dies. What a weird thing he did. So he didn't just went ahead and try to do it,

and he had this weird setup. Yeah, so it seems like Jerry still feels not powerful around women. So he goes for women who are petite, who are usually vulnerable at the time, and he always makes dumb excuses to catch them off their guard. Like, let me just grab that water behind you. So he's never just like,

let me get in the back seat and do something. Or like let me get something from the back seat. Like it's so weird. What an elaborate way to get to the back seat. Yeah. So he made sure that she was dead, brought her into the garage of the house. He had the key the whole time.

Like he was just making that, right? He completely undressed her, raped her dead body multiple times, and then dressed her up in all the underwear and took pictures of her. This is when he decided to hang her body up from the rope so he hung her up using rope tied around her neck and then a pulley at the top of his garage ceiling so he would literally hang her as if it was a noose. Her feet would be not touching the ground. She would be completely suspended and completely dead in his garage. And he kept her like this for days.

And this was because when she was hanging like that, it was easier to put different clothes on her. Then it's if she was like laying lip on the floor. So he would put different clothes on her, different underwear, different heels, and then he would continue to rape her for multiple days after her death. He even went to his family's house for Thanksgiving

and just like left her body hanging in the garage during Thanksgiving. Like while they weren't even home, that's pretty balsy. Like imagine if someone had broken into their house for a burglary or something. He just like left the body out. I think that's scary. Imagine a burglary breaking through a serial killer's house.

Oh my gosh. So then finally Jan started decomposing. He's like, OK, I need to dispose of her. But first, I need to take a trophy. Last time it was a foot. This time, he cut off one of her breasts and made a resin mold out of it. And it didn't really work that well.

So then he decided to stuff the breast like a taxidermy and used it as a paper weight. Yep. Then he went and tied a very heavy car engine to her body and again, threw her over the side of the bridge into the river. I have to admit something. I'm part of the con-gregation. Yeah, you heard it. The con-gregation.

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like um not fully working but you get it like not burglarized not like someone had stolen the tires not like someone had kidnapped her it just was weird she just never came back to her car and on top of that this was the second girl in the area that had gone missing so So people are starting to freak out. And one of those people that we're freaking out was Karen Sprinker. Now Karen Sprinker was an 18 year old college student. She was starting to be a doctor.

She was home for break and she had decided to go meet her mom for lunch, right? So her mom's like, this is the restaurant that we're going to. It's inside of a mall, inside of a department store. It just meet me there. So she drove all the way there, and her mom waited there for an hour and her daughter did not show up.

So she starts freaking out, and she starts freaking out more when they find that Karen's car was parked in the parking lot of this mall. So she had made it to the mall, but why didn't she make it to lunch? This doesn't make any sense. What we do know is that Jerry was dressed

in women's clothing that day, and he decided to go to the parking lot, specifically looking for his next victim. This was the parking lot, specifically looking for his next victim. This was the first time he had looked for his next victim. So the first two victims, one came straight to his door. The other one was parked on the side of the highway. You know, these were kind of opportunist moments. This one, he went out searching.

And he wore women's clothing. He had this gun that was fake, that was in his pocket. And he pulled it out and brought it in front of Karen's face and told her to get into his car. So she left with him, brought her into his garage, made her try on underwear while she was alive, posed naked, he took photos of her for hours while she was alive, and then he strangled her by putting a rope around her neck and then hanging her in his garage, so she died by hanging technically. And then he continued to rape her multiple times after she died.

Now this is the really creepy part. Jerry even admitted that when he was tying the rope around Karen's neck, he had asked her, is this too tight? And she said, yes. And he just smiled at her. Why did he wear women's clothes when he was out? So there's a lot of different speculations. Some people say that it made him look

more like less intimidating for women, you know? I see. And like it's also technically like from afar, if you see someone in a parking lot and they're like wearing a dress, maybe you'd be less concerned, like it's less reportable to be like, there's a woman just like standing in the corner of a parking lot and they're like wearing a dress, maybe you'd be less concerned, like it's less reportable to be like there's a woman just like standing in the corner of a parking lot, you know. I see. People would be less like. Yeah and there are some speculations that

he went through a period of feeling a lot of like body dysphoria, but I'm not sure because it hasn't been proven and it doesn't seem like this was a reoccurring theme. So he ends up bringing her to his garage killing her and raping her dead body multiple times for days. Now this is when he decides to cut off both of her breasts to make plastic molds out of them so that he could fill that mold with other things and like I don't know make like boob cupcakes. I really don't know. Like he made plastic breast molds out of her boobs after he cut off her boobs. And then in order to not have all of this blood in his car when he transported her body to throw her off that same

bridge, he stuffed her boob like open holes, gaping open holes on her chest with packing paper and then put on a black bra. Now this would be important later because when they found Karen's body they were like wait she's wearing a black bra that's obviously way too big for her she doesn't own a bra like this. Why were her boobs cut off like is this some sick twisted like what the four happened? And so he tied a car and turned her and threw off the same bridge. Now Karen's parents start freaking out and a bunch of teens come forward and they say wait a second we saw something being weird in the parking lot

that day. A group of teens saw a very tall, larger sized woman in the parking lot acting weird. Like she was dressed in a dress and stockings but she was just like she seemed uncomfortable like she was constantly like fixing her dress like fixing her stockings just like looking around and it looked weird so we thought maybe she needed some help so we drove up to her and we were about to approach her but we realized it wasn't a woman, it was a man. And it's not because it was a man and women's clothing that we were kind of creeped out but they just looked really creepy, like they were just staring at us.

So we decided not to say anything or do anything or ask them if they needed help so we just kind of left. And they later tell the police this, and this wasn't necessarily evidence because it's not illegal to stand in a parking lot, and it's not illegal to wear different genders of clothing, right? Or different, you know, gender norms of clothing, but they thought it was an interesting detail.

Now, another parking lot would be terrorized. A local university parking lot was where Jerry went looking for his next victim, so they found Karen at the mall, and now he's at a university. So he sees a woman by the name of Sharon Wood who's 24 years old leaving the university. She's a secretary there, she's got two kids and she's in the middle of a divorce. So she was actually headed to go meet her ex-husband that day. It was going to be like a divorce proceeding with their lawyers, with her husband, is like this whole thing. She's walking through the parking lot and she's like getting ready for this battle because divorce is a battle and she's trying to feel

anxious all of a sudden and very uneasy and she starts hearing these footsteps behind her. So she's like what the heck? So she decides against using the dark stairwell in the parking lot that she usually takes to go to the floor that her car is parked on and she's like you know what I'm just going to walk through like where the car is drive through because it's more open, it's brighter, there's gonna be more people. So she makes it to the floor where her car was and she turns around because she's still here someone following her and Jerry is looking at her

straight in the eye and he pulls out this fake gun and he tells Sharon, hey, follow me and you're not gonna get hurt. And she screams, no! And she starts running away. He pounces on her and he puts her in a headlock and starts strangling her on the ground and he's a big dude. He overpowered her by over a hundred different pounds like a hundred plus pounds not a hundred different pounds. Like he was

much bigger than her. So she starts kicking him with her high heels multiple different times and she really couldn't fight back. So she did the only thing that she felt like she could do at that time, which was scream at the top of her mother-forking lungs. Like, this was echoing through the parking lot. So Jerry starts freaking out. He puts his hand over her mouth to shut her up so that no one could hear her scream. And that's when Sharon's like, you freaking idiot. And she bites down as hard as she can and clenches her jaw down to the

point where there was blood spewing out of his hand. Now this is where it gets a little weird because like all of the adrenaline Sharon got locked jaw so she couldn't open her jaw again. So now Jerry's in pain, Sharon's like freaking out, there's blood spewing everywhere and Jerry starts grabbing his hand and starts swinging it around and like Sharon's head's attached to his hand Right, and so he starts slamming his hand and Sharon's head onto the curb of the parking lot round and That's when a car enters the parking lot and the lights and like the commotion Sharon was able to like unclench her jaw at this point Jerry ends up running away. She ends up getting taken to the hospital

Thankfully, she has no fatal or critical or long-term injuries. But when the police came to ask for the description of the person who assaulted her, she had been hit on the head so many times. And he was behind her most of the time that she just remembered three things about him. He was tall, he had a super-frecly face, and he had red hair.

That's it. She doesn't remember anything else Yeah, and now Jerry goes home and he's pissed at himself He it's like listen That's not cool. I was got caught but more importantly I couldn't murder someone today And that's what I really wanted so the next day he decides to go immediately after because during the first couple of murder So it was months in between but now it's the next day. He's like, I'm gonna do this again. So then Gloria Jean Smith, who's a 15-year-old, she was near like the railroad station, and she's a lot younger. So 15, that kind of indicates that maybe his confidence had been knocked down,

and he just wanted someone who was even more physically and mentally harder to overpower him. He just was feeling all sorts of weird. So this was his plan. He saw her walking down. He was like, I'm going to hide in a bush. And when she walks by, I'll pop out of that bush, and I'm a grabber. But he was so excited. You know, Jerry was so excited that he popped out of the bush too early. And he ran out the bush. And Gloria was like, what the fuck?

So she, you turned it and ran the other way. Because listen, if you see a man jump out of a bush, I mean, the immediate reaction of any girl is to run the other way. Like, we're not trying to find out what you were doing in that bush and why you popped out when I'm walking past the bush. So she starts running the other way, booking it in the opposite direction and he couldn't run after her. So this was yet again another failed abduction. So his confidence is even further killed. Now Gloria goes to the police station and says listen

This man just jumped out of the bush and I think he tried to abduct me. I don't know. He was being suspicious All I remember is he was tall. He had this freckly face and he has red hair So the police are like, oh my gosh, that's really really weird. So then the next day immediately after Gloria's attempted abduction He goes to a local mall and this at this this time he's trying to be much smarter about it. So there was a 22 year old by the name of Linda Sayley and Linda was buying her boyfriend's birthday present at the mall. Jerry was snooping around in the parking lot, saw her park her car, get out, go to the mall and he waited near her car for her to get back.

Now he waited particularly because Linda was extremely short, very petite, very small in stature. And this was someone he felt like absolutely without a shadow of doubt he could have chased her down. He could have just headlocked her like he could physically overpower her in all different ways. So he waited for her to return to her car. And this time instead of jumping out of nowhere, he said listen, I'm a police officer and he pulled up this fake police badge and he said, you match the description of a serial shoplifter that's running rampant in this mall. And then does like, what? No, you can check my receipt. So I was just here to buy my boyfriend's birthday present, like I have the receipts for everything and he

said, mm-hmm, you're coming into my car, I'm taking you to the police station to ask some questions. So she's freaking out, she gets into the back of the car. They're driving to the alleged police station. They end up driving in silence and they arrive at Jerry's house and he tells her to step inside his garage. I mean, at this point, we can assume that Linda knows what's happening because the car wasn't marked. This wasn't a police station. This was his house. He wasn't in a uniform. All he had to show was a fake badge for it and during the panic of everything she had You know fallen for it. So Linda being extremely scared She did what she was told and she went into the garage

He tied her up to a chair and he went out to dinner with his family while she was alive tied up and gagged in a chair in the middle of his garage now while he was out to dinner with his family She had managed to untie herself and she was just sitting there when he returned. She couldn't get out. So the garage door was unlocked. She did not attempt to leave. There was a phone in the garage and she didn't call 911. So there's two reasons we think she might have done this because we only know Jerry's perspective because Linda is unfortunately his last murder victim. So Jerry said that either she had just freed herself when he got home or she was so scared that she had undone her bindings and just like froze and thought maybe if she tried to escape

somehow he would know about it, maybe she thought he was still home and that would get herself killed ultimately. So she just kind of froze and didn't know what to do. So then Jerry goes home and instead of being like wow what a nice person even though I kidnapped you right. He was like no I'm still going to didn't know what to do. So then Jerry goes home and instead of being like, wow, what a nice person, even though I kidnapped you, right? He was like, no, I'm still gonna do everything I wanted to do. So he ties a rope around Linda's neck, ties it to the pulley on his garage roof, and slowly turns the pulley lever until now she's hanging. And she, too, died by hanging.

And he would repeatedly rape her dead body. And this time, he wanted to do an experiment instead of taking a trophy. He just really wanted to see what a naked body and underwear and heels look like dancing. So he inserted two large needles on the side of her ribcage and sent large electric shocks through her body because he wanted to make her jump and flinch and move. But it didn't work. She just, he just ended up burning like two small holes near her ribcage,

which was also again over-analyzed by, well like super-analyzed by like coroners and stuff, because it's such a weird thing to have, right? And he ended up not taking any of her breasts or her foot because her breasts were just too pink. Those are his words, too pink. And then he would tie her body to a car engine and throw her over the same bridge into the same river using the same method. And at this point, the crazy part is Jerry was barely on the radar. He was not linked to the murders. He wasn't even a name that the police were thinking about. Like other than his psychiatric time that he spent at the ward and his juvenile, you know, criminality spree, there was nothing tying

him to anybody. Now two weeks later, after Linda's murder, Linda's body floated to the top of the river. A local fisherman saw her body floating. He calls the police, they take the body in, and then almost a couple days later, Karen's sprinkler's body floated to the top as well, about 50 feet away from where Linda was found. Now the police and the coroners are like,

wait a second, two young girls of the same age who recently disappeared, they have the same cars of death, they are both tied to engine parts in the same river off the same bridge around the same time, are you kidding? So they take a closer look at the woman and they found that the way that they were tied up to this car engine was very interesting. The tying of the knots were super intricate and it was a knot that was commonly used by electricians. It's not a knot that like normal civilians would know how to tie. Like, it's a very specific type of method of tying a knot. And there was also copper wiring that was used to tie the girls to the car engines, which

again, nobody just has like copper wiring laying around in their house typically. And so they were like, okay, maybe this is an electrician or a former electrician or someone who knows something about being an electrician. So as of right now, they have a double homicide, maybe a potential serial killer on the loose, and they send in divers to search the river. It was a two-week search. It was going to be intense. And during this time, this was huge breaking news. Like this was all over the nation. Like possible serial killer in Oregon. Like what's going on? Now Jerry really didn't care about the attention that they were getting. He just had this new love which was spying on university dorm rooms.

So we had this new method of trying to talk to women which was he would go to these university dorm rooms and each dorm room like each dorm building had a phone number that you could call and then to get from there you could be like, Hey, can I talk to Stephanie Sue? I think she's in like room 23, right? So we would call and be like, hey, can I talk to Elizabeth? And he didn't know that there was an Elizabeth there. He didn't even know if there was an Elizabeth. He just would hope that there was an Elizabeth living in the building and they would transfer him to talk to Elizabeth. And if they said, oh, I'm sorry, like, we don't have an Elizabeth living here. He'd just say, oh, sorry, wrong number. And hang up and repeat the process.

Now, it worked multiple times. He would be like, can I talk to Sharon? And then Sharon would get on the phone and be like, who is this? And he would just make really weird small talk with them. He said that he was a Vietnam War veteran. And he would ask them out on dates. And a few of them even said, yes. Yeah.

But a lot of the dates fell through because the girls after they hung up were like, wait, what? Like, that's weird. I'm not going on this date. Like, that's creepy. But one of the women who had picked up the phone decided to meet with him. So she decided to meet with him at the university just to be safe, and she said that it was weird. So all he wanted to do was talk about

how two bodies were found in the river. Which, I mean, I guess it wasn't that odd because this was kind of like the biggest current news at the time especially for locals, especially for college students because they were scared they fit the description, young females you know. And so as the date progressed there was this one thing that he did that was so weird. He asked her if she wanted a back massage and she was like sure. So while he's giving her a back massage, she said, hey, Aksad. She's like, what? Aksad, like that's weird. And he says, yeah, just be sad. Think about those two girls in the river and what happened to them and what they must have felt and what they went through.

What does that mean? What's the meaning behind all this? I don't know. He was just trying to make her like get an intense emotion out of her. And it seems like this was a power play. And so she's like being massaged. And she's like, okay, well, I should probably get back to the dorm. I'm like, I have class tomorrow. And he walked her back to the dorm. And he kept saying things like, how did you know I was

going to bring you back to your dorm safely? Like, how did you know I wasn't going to like strangle you and throw you in the river? And she's like, okay, that's really creepy. So then she goes into her dorm and she's like, thank God, like I'm never gonna see him again. So after the day, she ends up calling the police immediately after, because it was that bad. And she told them how creepy it was. They were like, okay, that's a little weird, right? And so the police were like, let's look into it. They asked her to describe him in the most detailed that she could.

And she said, well, he was tall, he had a lot of freckles, and he has red hair. So they're like, that's the same as the two girls who are almost adopted. Right? So this must mean something. So they tell all of the women at the university. If you guys get a call from any random Vietnam veteran who says they're a Vietnam veteran, keep them on the phone as long as possible while somebody else calls 911. And so all the girls are like, okay, a week later, the girl that he went on that date

with gets a call from him And he says I'm in the area. Do you want to go on a date in 15 minutes? She says wait no like I'm not ready right now I need about an hour to get ready. It looks so crazy right now like why don't you meet me at my dorm in about an hour And so during this time she calls the police the police gather in the dorm room lobby and they're waiting for him So they wait for him he opens the door and the room lobby and they're waiting for him. So they wait for him, he opens the door, and they approach him and they said, hey, we're just questioning every dude in the area

because all the homicides going on, nothing serious. What's your name? They're writing it down. He's like Jerry Bruto, so it's your address. What's your occupation? I'm an electrician for a radio station. So this is the first time that the police have a name,

first of all, right? Okay. And they said, oh, okay, so why are you at the dorm? And they said, oh, okay, so like why are you at the dorm? And he says, oh, well, so how is in the area helping a friend out with a garden? And I had like an hour or two before he would be home. So I just came to the university to have a look around. Oh, look around. So he's lying, you know?

Like, they knew that he was there for a date with a girl. If he wasn't suspicious, he could have just said, I'm here to go on a date with a girl that goes to the school. And he fit the description. He lied to them. He's an electrician. He's very, very suspicious. So the police were like, okay, we're going to keep him noted,

but they couldn't arrest him because he has no evidence, which really pisses me off because imagine the danger that the girl who tattled on him is in now, right? Yeah. So, but I guess the police don't care. So they ran his name through the database, and they finally, finally found something. His two assaults that landed him in the mental institution.

And all of the disappearances have been near where he had moved, like a couple miles away he had moved. So he moved from like Portland, Oregon to Salem, Oregon, and it just matched. It was weird. And his current home that he was living in was only a few miles away from the bridge over the river that all the bodies were being thrown off. He would actually drive over that bridge every day to get to his current job. So the police go to his house to question him casually, and they said it's like a local type of thing like we're just casually interviewing people,

and they find out that he's been an electrician for 10 years, and one of the police officers went into the garage to have a look around found a length of rope that was the same type of rope found on the woman that they found their bodies on and so the police were like, nah dude, they get a search warrant and they search his cars. Now his cars showed absolutely no evidence and so the police feel super defeated. They knew that they had to move fast because either A, he's going to kill more people because he's like, this is the end, I'm going to go out with gonna go out with a bang right or B he's gonna try to run away. So they put him under constant undercover surveillance like just police officers watching him all day. Two days after the search warrant was issued for his cars they saw Jerry pack up all of his shit, his family and his, and start driving north. So the police tracked him down.

They called all of the highway patrol. They even called the Canadian border, because they were like organs too close to Canada for comfort. And they found him driving on the highway headed straight to the Canadian border. So they were like, oh hell no. They stopped the car, but Jerry wasn't there. Just the kids are sitting there. And they're like, there's no way the kids are just driving without Jerry. And they shine a flashlight in the back of his car. And there's this huge

lump under a blanket in the car. And they're like, what the fork? They turn over the blanket, and Jerry's hiding underneath the blanket. What? It's so dumb. So they arrest him. And when they strip-search him to their surprise, Jerry was wearing one of the women's that he had murdered. They're underwear. And they said, okay, Jerry, well you've been arrested for murder, but you get one phone call from prison, like where you can call your lawyer, you can call your family member, you can call whoever you want.

Now what in Jerry's mind would think that this isn't being recorded? I don't know, but he calls his wife and he says, Darcy, my love, you need to go home and burn everything. I've got breast molds, I've got hidden underwear that you need to go find. I've got pictures of the victims, you need to go burn them all. Does the wife know? That is up for debate, right? Sounds like she knows. So the police they go and they search the house, they find pictures of the victim, they find a large portion of the stolen underwear. Darcy and actually burned a few of the things that she had burned a few pictures, she had burned a few pieces of underwear, but she hadn't burned everything. And then that's when Jerry just like confesses to the police. He even

confesses that after each murder he would put on heels and masturbate to the dead body. But then he also pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. Now here's the scary part. All the psychiatrist said that he was perfectly mentally stable and there was no mention of schizophrenia. They just said he's literally just evil. Like there's, we don't think something's wrong. We don't think that he was like hearing voices in his head. Like he just literally killed them for sexual satisfaction. And so he pled guilty to three of the four murders because the first victim there was really no evidence to say that he even met the Linda the saleswoman the encyclopedia saleswoman because Darcy had burned the pictures of her

So they couldn't find pictures of her So there's really no evidence that they even met or knew each other and he had originally confessed to it But then later he was like oh, I recamped my confession. You have no evidence. I didn't do it So he was found guilty of the other three murders and was given three consecutive life sentences. Now Darcy, his wife, was also put on trial because the police couldn't believe that how could she be living in that house without knowing anything while all of this was taking place? But she was found in trial to not be guilty of accessory to the murders. So Darcy and her two kids were granted completely new identities. They changed their names and they moved on with their lives and they have been laying low. Now in prison, Jerry, because he's an electrician, he was really liked by the guards because,

you know, prison is a business. So being that it be a business, any time they had electrical issues, instead of calling a contractor to come into their prison and fix it, they would just get Jerry to fix it for free, like free manual labor. And so the guards would really, like him because you know, they would get praised by their boss when they didn't spend money or go out of budget for electrical issues. And the guards in return would bring him woman's shoe catalogs, which were legal in prison because in prison you can't bring in

playboy, you can't send in porn to prison, but shoe catalogs. It's just shopping catalogs. And Jerry even stated to the press, it was like his porn, he got off to it. He would even write to major shoe companies asking for sales catalogs to be sent to prison. I don't think any of them complied. Can you imagine like, Macy's just being like, here you go. But he was always hated by prison cellmates. They just thought he was a weirdo. He was also never remorseful.

He just constantly continued to blame his mom for all the murders, even though he was the one who did it. He tried to appeal his sentence multiple times, and finally in 1995, the parole board shut him down. And it was like, listen, you will never be released from prison. Get that through your head. Stop trying to appeal your sentence. Okay, thank you.

He spent a total of 37 years in prison until March 28th, 2006, he died from liver cancer. Now there was also more scandal because he has been a very popular topic. So he was in mine hunters, which is, I don't know if it's a Netflix original, but it's like a TV show where they, it's a fictional one where they like interview

Like the FBI interviews all these serial killers and they do deep dives into their minds and he was there that one was Really well done really well actually there? No, no an actor was portraying and that one was well done well portrayed Like the actor was great, right? No controversy surrounding that one But then JK Rowling miss Harry Potter, which we love Harry Potter here, but we don't love JK Rowling. She's had a very transphobic history where she's made a lot of comments that were very anti-trans and just not helpful to the community

and just kind of like mean, honestly, and really bad. And she wrote a book under a fake name and this was part of a series and one of the books was called Troubled Blood and it was partly based off of Brudos so it was a man who would dress up as a woman to lure in his victims as serial killer. And the whole book, some people say, I've never read it so I can't say for sure but I'm just saying there was a controversy that happened.

A lot of people say it has a very anti-trans vibe to it. Like it almost seems like the moral of the whole book is never trust a man in a dress, like type of vibe. What? But is she not showing that it's written by her? No, I mean, people know it's written by her, but like just because with her history, so they're saying if anyone else had done it, no one's saying like this is off limits

because I mean, it has kind of happened in real life with Jerry Bruto's, right? But it seems like with her history of transphobic comments and then overall the tone of the book the people who have read it some people have read it said that it feels very like she's just using it to make people like scared it's almost kind of like a fear mongering they said yeah yeah of a man in a dress which shouldn't be fearful at all. There was a little bit of controversy. You do have the other side that's like, no, I've read the book and it really isn't like that at all. It's a little weird,

but it kind of matches with the story of the serial killer trying to get into like, but I don't know, I haven't read the book. So, Jay Brutos is still causing a stir to this day. That's what I was trying to say And that is the story of the shoe fetish killer. Can you believe I bought a pair of shoes after this? I mean, okay, well afterwards, I was like researching shoe fetishes a little deeper and then I was like, wow, like they had pictures on Wikipedia of like shoes, you know?

And like Reddit, they would like link shoes. Oh, there was like this thread for shoe fetishes and it was like a link to like an album of just really pretty heels. And I was like, is this my Pinterest board? But like they were using it as like, you know, they liked it. They were aroused by it. But I was like, I like it. I want to buy those shoes. So fascinating. Yeah. One thing is there an object that has a been fetized? See, that was the thing on Reddit. They were like, hey, if I could give you $10 million to name an object, they were talking primarily food that hasn't been used for sexual purposes.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What would it be? Yeah. And everyone was naming these things, and then everyone was like, here's a link. And it was like someone doing that object of food. Yeah. There was macaroni and a pot. There was a durian. There was a sobby. I'm just saying, today's episode was a weird one. Let me know what you think about this one.

I mean, do you have a shoe fetish? I want to know. And I hope you guys enjoyed it and I'll see you guys next one. Stay, bye. Bye. Thanks for watching, stay by. Bye.