Rotten Mango - #273: A Submarine Went Missing & Body Parts Were Found A Week Later In The Water

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

Kim Wall Foundation - https://www.rememberingkimwall.com/ The submarine went missing, and the whole world stopped to watch. Two people were trapped inside - underwater with only hours of oxygen left. Would it be possible to find them in time? People wondered if it was engine failure - or maybe the sub had imploded. But the mysteries kept piling up - why did the submarine sink? Why did only one person make it out alive? And why were body parts washing up ashore? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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August 2017, a submarine goes missing off the coast of Copenhagen in Denmark. And I feel like with the recent titans or merciful that went missing, the whole world was watching that. They were following the story every step of the way, and it kind of felt like history was repeating itself. Because six years ago in 2017, there was another missing submarine that literally captivated the entire world. And maybe it's the fact that when someone goes missing, we talk about how time is the most important thing. It is the only thing on our side. The first 48 hours are crucial.

I mean, really, like the first hour, the first 12 hours are crucial. But with submarines, you're underwater. You only have so much oxygen. I mean, literally, there is a finite clock that starts ticking down the minute that you go under. Maybe that's why we're so fascinated and captivated by these cases. Maybe it's the idea of being trapped in the ocean that makes people morbidly curious. Or the fact that so many people have gone on submarines, they've stated, once you go

on a submarine, there is nothing comparable in the human experience. Because as you're going down, you hear the wind, you hear the waves, there's all these sounds, but once you're under, there's no noise. It's so silent. It's so, it's a different, I wouldn't necessarily call it peaceful, they stated, but it's, it's a different type of feeling. You're completely isolated from the world. There's nothing there, just total isolation and sometimes total darkness. They said, truly, it compares to nothing. You're far

away from home and you feel very alone. It's like a spaceship. And the idea that people could be trapped in a situation like that, it makes people emotionally invested. Or the fact that in 2017, when that submarine in 2017 went missing, it was a homemade amateur submarine. It was a homemade. And the only two people that were trapped inside of it right then and there were practically strangers to one another. They didn't even really know each other. So one of the two passengers was Peter Madsen. He was the one that built this amateur submarine. He was a bit of a small celebrity in Denmark and they all considered him like this eccentric inventor, this builder of all these crazy machines.

He built rockets, submarines. This is his third submarine. So he's got like a whole wild persona. And the other passenger was 30 year old Kim Vall. She was a world-renowned journalist who had gone under with Peter to interview him about his submarine for Wired magazine. What?

So she's a journalist for Wired magazine. She's a freelance journalist. I mean, I'm gonna go over her life story, but her credentials are out of this world. I mean, I don't even wanna say that she was a journalist for Wired magazine. She was working with the UN. I mean, this woman is so talented. And now both of them

are missing underwater and only Peter would come back up alive. Kim Vaughl would be tortured, killed, and dismembered in that submarine. And when authorities searched Peter Mattson's computers later, they found countless videos of snuff films of women being beheaded, tortured, even burned alive. The same day that he went into that submarine with Kim Vall, he googled, girl decapitated agony. How he planned it all along, why did he do it, and could have anyone seen it coming or could have tried preventing it. As always, full show notes are available at Rottenminglepodcast.com.

There are two documentaries on this case, and HBO's Undercurrent and Netflix's Into the Deep. I would recommend Undercurrent. A lot of Kim's friends and family worked with the producers and her story was shared really well in the two-part series, but I think the Netflix one is, is very salacious, it's very controversial, it is very chilling and it primarily focuses on a ton of footage because right before Peter committed murder, he was having a filmmaker come into his workshop every single day and basically create a documentary for his life. So there's just countless hours and hours upon footage of Peter just saying the most unhinged things, which at the moment it didn't seem that crazy, but in hindsight,

it's really chilling, and it's all kind of centered around like, how could this brilliant inventor do this? So both were used as sources as well as a bunch of other sources will be listed below in the show notes, and with that being said, oh and one more thing, there is a Kim Waw foundation that I will also link in the description, but we're gonna come back to it. And her parents wrote a book called a silenced voice that will also be linked. But with that being said, let's get into it. Kim Waw was born in Sweden. She grew up in Sweden, like near the Sweden Denmark border, and both of her parents were journalists, which I think is so interesting.

So it's kind of like an insane life. It's said that most of her childhood should be in these newsrooms. Like she's probably on the sideline reading books because you're like a kid, and all these adults are running around freaking out. She would grow up listening to her parents, listen to strangers, collecting stories, and truly trying to get the heart of people, like trying to understand what they wanted to be shared. And I'm sure all of this affected her in a very big way, because as she's growing older, she's like, I want to do that. Kim Volsteaded pretty early in her career that she wanted to see how the world works.

She said, and I hope that maybe one day I can learn enough to make a difference. And part of my language, but she like did the damn thing. I think she is one of the most accomplished people I've ever read about. So she's an independent journalist that wrote about everything and everyone that she felt did not have a voice. She wrote for Harper's The Guardian, The New York Times, Foreign Policy, Vice, Slate, Wired, South China Morning Post, The Atlantic, I mean anyone you name at Time magazine. Her work has been translated into several different languages. She has traveled the world. She went to Sri Lanka to report post-war efforts. She went to Haiti after an earthquake. She went to North Korea. Wow. Yeah, she was one of the. She went to North Korea.

Wow. Yeah, she was one of the journalists that went to North Korea. I mean, when I tell you, she wanted to see the world and make a difference. She did that all before she turned 30 years old, which is only a few years older than me. And I think that's absolutely insane. How much she's able to accomplish. I mean, just even reading her writings and her articles, it sounds like I'm reading someone that has lived 100 years on this planet.

Like, just the way that she's able to connect with people and understand their stories is so admirable. She's got two master's degrees, one from the Columbia School of Journalism. She was a United Nations press fellow. She was learning Mandarin. She briefly went to the University of Beijing at one point. She went to college in London.

She was literally an unstoppable human. I mean, like her career, while it was short, it was incredibly prolific. Her professors at Columbia were so proud of her because they're like, wow, she's one of the students we're gonna brag about. We're gonna be like, I helped make that, you know? And they would say that she's so of the students we're gonna brag about. We're gonna be like I helped make that, you know And they would say that she's so smart so tenacious and even though it sounds like she had been in all these

Dangerous environments and going to all these places where most people would be so nervous to go like North Korea She would never knowingly put herself in these situations and do something reckless. It's that that Kim vol had a Maybe strong level of skepticism as most journalists. But her whole thing was, okay, if I don't do it, who's gonna do it? And like some voices just do not get heard. So as you would go to these nuclear waste sites and write about, report about climate change,

she was like doing it all. And it's really hard. I think it's really hard to not deeply admire someone like that. And also, just really want to be around someone like that. One of her friends said her strongest memory of Kim Vol was they were both in Delhi, India. They're both working there.

And Kim comes up to the friend group and she's like, hey guys, you want to try this new Korean place for dinner? And they all agreed and they met up with her, but she starts leading them into. And this is how she describes it, like a very dangerous part of Delhi. Like the part that every single person is like, don't ever go to this part of Delhi. Bad things happen in this part of Delhi, don't go there. Like every city has their bad neighborhoods. She's walking them straight into the bad neighborhood. Kim is just leading the group pushing through the crowd of people. She turns into this tiny, quote, rundown building is how they describe it.

And her friends really has the talent. I don't think I really want Korean food that badly. And they follow her upstairs. And it's like, you would never believe a restaurant like that existed in there. It was just the most quaint, homey Korean restaurant with Korean immigrants that owned it. And just the amount of culture and energy that was in that tiny... They said it was the best Korean food that they've ever had. And they said that this incident really describes Kim.

She really liked to bring light to things that you would never guess to be so fantastic. Like that's the kind of person she was. So in 2017, she's working as a full-time freelance journalist which is um like it's really difficult okay I mean I would imagine being a journalist who's already so challenging but as a freelance journalist you have to basically I mean figure everything out yourself you've got to find the story do the reporting sell the stories your income is constantly fluctuating but Kim is. She even had gone through these courses like hostile environment training. So she was trained on what to do in the event of a horrible car accident,

how to provide aid, what to do if she was being held hostage, or if she was kidnapped, or in like a big mob situation. But I don't think any amount of training can help anyone when you're trapped in the water with a psychopath. In this case, it's so infuriating because I think the anger that comes with this case is that she was just trying to do her job. She did everything right. She was just trying to do her job.

So summer of 2017, Kim is living in Copenhagen with her boyfriend. She's doing freelance work and it just felt like the pieces of her life were kind of coming together Perfectly and she told her friends that she loved Copenhagen. She said it's so cozy It's like I mean she grew up not too far away from it And she said she was outrageously in love with the city She's trying to figure out her future. It's a little daunting. It's a little scary But it's working and it just feels like when one thing goes right, everything starts kind of going right. So Kim's career, although it's already so successful,

it was just about to take off even more. So she's living with her boyfriend, and both of them get a very interesting work opportunity that opens up in China. So they're like, let's do it. We're gonna pack a ball of our bags and forget to move to China. Like this is insane, but she kind of knows Mandarin,

so it kind of makes sense, and this is like the next step in both of their careers., but she kind of knows Mandarin, so it kind of makes sense, and this is like the next step in both of their careers. So they tell all of their friends, guys, we're moving to China, and it's like this huge, huge thing. Her friends are like, we gotta throw this huge going away party.

I mean, this is incredible. It's congratulations. And the couple is so well-loved. A lot of people are gonna be showing up. But Kim is a workaholic. And she's like, okay, let me get one more story before I leave. No way.

One last story. There was this man in Denmark that everyone knew. He was known as the Elon Musk of Denmark. I think it's quite of a stretch. Look, I don't know if being called an Elon Musk is a compliment to some people, to others it's the worst insult you can get. But I think at least financially and to a degree scale wise, it's a bit of a stretch for this guy. His name is Peter Madsen and he was eccentric. People described him as being wacky.

Other people called him a genius inventor. That's what they called him, but the truth is, the guy never really invented anything. He just built rockets and submarines. Those are all things that have already been invented, so he's just a maker of things, I guess. And he would do it on a very, very small scale. His whole dream was to put Denmark on the map of producing rockets. And he told everyone, why does the government

need to fund rockets? If a civilian wants to build a rocket, they should be able to build a rocket. Like, they should be able to be an astronaut. He wanted to be the first amateur astronaut. And build, like, the first amateur rocket company. Basically, everything he knew about rockets was pretty much self-taught.

So he would give a lot of poetic TED talks about not limiting yourself. Look, the guy was... Yeah, he was wacky. I mean, you can see why his story appealed to Kim, and in fact, Wired Magazine was like, yes, Kim, do the story, we're gonna buy it. Interview him, find out what this guy's stick is, let's get to the bottom of it. Kim's friend said, when it comes to the type of work that Kim typically does,

this is a low-hanging fruit for her. This is a walk in the park. I mean, she's usually going to hostile in North Korea. And now you're saying, just go interview this weirdo. To her, I mean, she's already got her guards up. She's like not the type of woman to let her cart down. It's always up, but this is supposed to be an easier project. So she had heard that he had this amateur home made privately owned submarine. She reaches out to see if he's interested in an interview and on August 10th, she went to his little workshop to do this quick little sit-down interview. So right after this, she's supposed to go to her going away party, that her friends are throwing for her and her boyfriend because they're about to move to China. But Madsen is like, hey, you know what? You wanna go on the sub tonight?

Like the waters are calm, we should go. It's gonna take like two, three hours. Wait, the summer ring is, where is it? Cool, but Megan. Yeah, yeah. He's like, you wanna go? I mean, the waters are calm, it'll be great. I can show you how it works.

You can do the rest of the interview, get pictures, whatever you need to do. I mean, she had already interviewed him. He seemed very normal and not that wacky of an inventor. I think that his reputation precedes himself, not in a good way, but he's a little quirky, but it's probably because he's super passionate. She runs back home and tells her boyfriend, hey,

I'm going to go on the sub. Like, this is perfect because I can maybe even pump out this article before we move to China. Like, it'll be great. So she's very excited about her story. I mean, she's the type of journalist that gets really passionate about her work. She boards this up at around 7.30 PM that night.

And there is a video of them departing out and she's waving to whoever is filming because it's a submarine, it's not a boat. So I imagine if people are at the harbor, they're like, whoa, it looks like a cartoon. It's a big black tube with a little tower that you come out of, like a little tube that you come out of on top. And they're like waving by. How big is it though?

If it's about eight people and I think it's like eight meters, it's pretty big. When you look at it, it looks like it would fit more than eight people, but I guess most of it is like the engine and stuff. I would say maybe it's like a double-decker bus and more. Maybe like two double-decker buses, yeah. It's huge. And it's like painted in kind of like this spotchy black color. Oh wow. It just, yeah.

So I think that even the submarine itself becomes like this whole dark imagery for this case. So there's a video of them departing and she's waving and she looks very happy and very excited. It doesn't look like she would have ever gotten into a sub with someone that was giving her any red flags. And it's not every day you go into a sub inside note. This is not like the Titan situation. They're not going down super far. It's not like this impressive feat where they're trying to beat records or go where nobody's

gone before or have only gone a few times. It wasn't like that at all. So truly the risks of this were incredibly low. They're probably just submerging like 20 feet. They're like, we're submerged. That was about it. And everyone knew where she was, who she was with, and he's like a minor celebrity in Denmark. It's not this random nobody. Like everyone in Denmark knows this guy. Everyone in Scandinavia knows this guy. So she takes all of her precautions as usual. She even texted her boyfriend and many would find these text messages very chilling later, but she texted him. I'm still alive by the way, but I'm going down now. Love you. He brought cookies and coffee though. She said that? The I'm still alive by the way text message would later haunt a lot of people. Now the whole submarine excursion and interview was supposed to take

like a few hours max, but when 10 p.m. pulls around and she's still not home, her boyfriend starts to get a little bit concerned. She didn't p.m. pulls around and she's still not home, her boyfriend starts to get a little bit concerned. She didn't even text him, so that's weird. He waits just a little while longer, probably like all of us, he's probably trying to calm himself down and think he gave all these very reasonable, very rational explanations on why she might be running late. But when she's still not back and he checks the clock and it's 2.30 in the morning, he's like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna call the Coast Guard because this is insane. So at 3.30, the Coast Guard start their search for the missing submarine. They sent two rescue helicopters, three ships,

the Navy got involved in looking for the submarine and the submarine is called the Nautilus. Side note, it's often said to be the world's largest privately owned submarine, so not owned by a massive submarine corporation or a government military entity. Oh, it is, this submarine. That's what they say, but if you've been listening since the start of Rotten Mingo, we learned that the cartels had bought

old Russian submarines to transport drugs. So I would say maybe it's like the most legally and openly owned submarine that are not owned by shadowy entities. Like organized crime entities. Okay, but it's still considered big. Yeah, so it's huge. And now it's missing. And everyone had the same question that they had when the Titan went missing.

How do you lose a giant submarine? How does it go missing? Who's aboard the submarine? What's going on and how much oxygen do they have left? So we know a bit about Kim. Let me tell you a little bit about Peter Madsen. Peter Madsen calls himself the maker of extreme machines. He would go on these TED Talks and say some wild things like, what if you got a crazy idea that you wanted to leave planet Earth? What if you got the idea that you wanted to leave planet earth? What if you got the idea that you wanted to go to space?

Will he make TED Talks? Wow. So a biographer named Thomas said that he was the biographer for Peter Matzen. He wrote a book on Peter Matzen's life. Thomas said that Peter had a way of just making people excited. Like, he knew how to sell his vision and the dream and his whole vision was not even just about him, but it translated to other people and it was, you can do whatever you want. You don't need government funding to create a rocket company.

He wrote this before the murder? Yeah. Oh wow. He followed Peter Madsen around and wrote this book and it was like this very heroic embodiment of almost this larger than life character Madsen would often use his own story as proof so Madsen grew up in a really harsh environment His parents were Carl and Annie and interesting thing to note his mom Annie was 36 years younger than their dad than his daddy. I am and his dad Carl was

brutal their dad than his daddy. And his dad, Carl, was brutal, grew up in Nazi Germany, and he felt like the only way to communicate with his kids was to beat him. Like, you want to get something into your kid, beat him. You want to get something out of your kid, beat him. Like, that was his end all be all only form of communication. Peter Madsen did not have a normal upbringing. He likened his childhood to growing up under the direction of a concentration camp commander.

Eventually his parents divorced and Peter was sent to live with Carl his dad, which I mean it was really rough, like he was forbidden to talk to his mom, forbidden his dad would not allow it. And this is very important later. It seems like his mom was the one that was nice to him, compared to the dad. But maybe he felt like she was failing to protect him. This is a thing that I see a lot with male killers. A lot of the times the dad is abusive.

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but there's still that level of fear. With his mom, he said, I didn't really want to live with her anyway. She was as stupid as a cat. She didn't know anything. If that does not sound like the origins of a strong hatred for women, I don't know what does, but we're still not there yet. We're still on the rockets, okay?

He said that he was always interested in rockets, like he liked it out of young age. He kept pursuing it. He did a little bit of engineering studying, but most of it was self-taught, and he's not rich like Elon Musk. So he relies on people seeing his vision and believing in him and crowdfunding. But it works really, I mean it worked with a degree a lot of rich people believed in his vision as well. So he's over there with three submarines. The first one was Freya, it was 20 feet long and it could fit two people.

Then he had Krakka, it was reminiscent of a World War II German sub, it fit about three people. And then his latest one, the one that was missing, the Nautilus, it could fit about eight people. And similar to the Titan, a lot of the parts were just parts that you could buy at a warehouse. Yeah. And once he had those three subs, he starts getting into other things. He was asked by reporters like,

Madsen, what now? Like you've got three submarines are you gonna build an even bigger sub? And he always had, Peter Mattson really wanted to be a main character. That's what I can describe about this guy. He would gaze out when people ask these interview questions. And instead of just being like a businessman who's like, you know what,

I think the company directive is ABC&D. He would gaze out into the open air and you would say, I think I'm gonna do something else now. I think I'm gonna look up at the stars. He's talking about rockets. He wanted to build rockets and keep this in mind. Anytime Peter is interviewed about his submarines, about his rockets, about his accomplishments,

this is how he talks. It's almost in this poetic movie character way that people don't ever really talk in real life. It's like he's memorized a line and he's waiting for that perfect question, that perfect moment to blurt it out and make it like this motivational moment that you can put in a black and white photo. Keep this in mind for later. In 2008, he becomes a co-founder of a rocket company called Copenhagen's Borbidls.

And he said that he wanted to go into space with no astronaut training. One of the first devices they made was a centrifuge. It's like a stick, imagine a stick sideways. One side has giant firebursts. And then the other side had a little carriage where he would sit in and it would just spin them around. Really, really fast non-stop.

And then he was like, I'm training for space. He wanted to be up there with the stars. He did not want government funding. He wanted to build the rocket out of things that you could find in the local warehouse and he was getting funded. So I mean he poured a lot of his own money into it, all of the money from his TED Talk. So again, he's living part-time in his sub. He's crowdfunding this huge project and as for the employees for this company, a lot of them were interns or volunteers. They were a lot of young people who had the knowledge, probably didn't have the credentials to get a job,

but they had such deep knowledge of engineering. They were genuinely fascinated by it, and for whatever reason, it didn't translate academically, or maybe they didn't have the funds to go into that, but they would just volunteer. And it just, like imagine how hard and how few people can work on rockets in this world. Think about it, like the number of people

that's like, I've worked on a rocket before. I don't even know how many there are in this world. So all these students, they would gather, they studied rockets for fun and they started working for Madsen. And because he was getting so much attention, the biographer even followed Madsen around, started writing his story, his life story. There were other people, a filmmaker that was making a movie about, quote, rocket Madsen. That's what they all called him. Her footage was actually used extensively in the trial and in the Netflix stock. But it was

very strange. Okay, very strange energy at the rocket company. It was very invigorating, contagious. It's like a time capsule. They said it was like the Danish space age. It was exhilarating to be a part of something big to see it all come together. And it just proved that you really don't need to be this corporate fortune 500 company to make things happen. Matt's in was not driven by the money. None of the workers were, and it's not like they were trying to sell the rockets later.

They just wanted to prove they could do it. That was most people's passion, but Madsen had a different passion too. His passion was kind of telling everyone what to do. Here's what's interesting. He's not necessarily bossy. He's controlling. It seemed like you really wanted control.

And all of that would be easily overlooked because he was so charismatic. And because he had this such a larger-than-life personality and reputation, anytime he did anything questionable, it was chalked up to him just being quirky in a centric. He was more of a cartoonish figure than a human, and he lived by cartoonish figure standards of human decency.

I think people were just really impressed that he was selling this big dream, and a lot of people liked him. Now, the Royal Navy of Denmark, on the other hand, not impressed. They actually knew about the submarine long, long, long, long time ago, the Nautilus, when it was being built, and they asked him, hey, since you're doing this in Denmark, and like, something happens to you, we're gonna be looking for you. Can we just see the plans, like the floor plans, we're sub, I mean, legally we can't stop you

from building this up. We just wanna like give our input, give some help if you want it. They basically took one look at it and was like, that thing is gonna sink one day. And we're gonna be doing search on rescue. They didn't say it to him, but they were all thinking it. They all felt like the submarine was way too heavy, it just was not built well.

And when the submarine finally went missing in 2017, some of the Royal Navy commanders thought, oh my god, it finally happened. They didn't even seem surprised. I mean, yeah, they were worried, but maybe not surprised. So they gather their teams and they start searching, and remember, they were reported missing by Kim's boyfriend at 230, the early morning of August 11th 2017 About eight hours into the search the sun comes up and a submarine was spotted from a nearby lighthouse in Croubae This is like the south area of Copenhagen and the submarine was there

It's just floating like bobbing around in the water and there's a man standing in the tower above the water Like the tower of the submarine and he's able to make radio contact with the Navy and he told him hey everything's fine everyone on the boat is fine we're all good we're just having some technical issues and that's why we weren't missing. The Navy is like okay thank god but like wow this guy is really something but once they get where that he's safe and he's being picked up by a fisherman most of the naval commanders were told to go report on a new task Like don't be wasting your energy on this. We've got bigger things going on So a lot of them are packing their bags and they start getting bombarded with people radioing in and calling them

The sub-sinking the sub-sinking the sub-sinking Okay, like just two seconds ago quite literally two seconds ago It was floating it was fine. It was floating. It was fine. Nothing was wrong. There was no urgency in Peter's voice. He wasn't saying, hey, the sub is sinking. You need to come rescue me. I'm on the tower.

Like, I'm gonna jump into the water soon. Nothing. What just happened in this man of like one to two minutes? The sub indeed was sinking. Madsen jumped into the water. He was rescued by fishermen, brought to the harbor, and there were journalists, media, waiting for him there, because this story had been a new emerging hot current event news, and they're all asking like, are you okay, Peter? Are you okay? And he's

giving them the thumbs up. But the Navy is watching and they're like, something's all right. Something is not right about this. They said submarines do not seem like that. What? Like, maybe if you're in the water, but now when you're not submerged, submarines just don't, he could have saved his sub. The way his sub sank, it was very slow, it was very weird, there was no accident, there was no impact, there was nothing. So what does that even mean? They're saying we know subs. If there's been a submarine

that's been going successfully and being submerged, it doesn't just randomly sink on you, especially when you're not submerged. When half of it is above water. Got it. It's just really bizarre. Maybe if it's the first time you're testing this sub, or if the sub had made impact with

something or if there was a even with an engine failure, it probably wouldn't sink. So they're like, why did it sink? It's just really weird. I mean, he would have tried to save his sub, right? This guy is known for his submarine, his love for the Nodilus. I mean, come on. And someone is still missing because Kim Vol would not make it out of that submarine by the time that it sank So where is the journalist? Other Navy officers also raised their eyebrows. They said the way that the sub looked like it was sinking It just looked like it was diving. So the way that okay if a submarine was to sink from above water It looks very different from a submarine that's going on a mission and being submerged.

It looks like it was just going on a mission. It looks like someone had autopilot it to be submerged. And then it was like, oh my God, it's sinking and jumps. Got it. It wasn't tilting to one side. It wasn't, there was none of that. It's just like, okay, this is really bizarre. It looks like it's working fine.

Now, the first thing that you would do, if you are a sub-owner and this is your baby, your pride and joy, I mean what you're known for, what would you do before you jump off that sub into the water if it's sinking? I don't know, try to save it, I don't know. You close the hatch. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, cause you don't want that to fill with water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the hatch is like in the tower that you go down.

It's like this giant steel plate, you close it and no water can leak in cause it's a submersible, right? So you close the hatch. He doesn't close the hatch. And this guy has created three submarines. He didn't just buy them. He built them. We how did they know they saw it?

Yeah. So a bunch of people around there's a lighthouse nearby like they saw it. Did they ask where's the other girl? Yeah, oh, yeah So we're gonna get to that so Matt said this inventor maker quote genius left the hatch open letting water flow into the submarine The Navy commanders took one look at that and they believed that he sunk it intentionally They said you only leave the hatch open when you want to cover something up. But more importantly, where is Kim fall? And why is Peter Madsen not frantically talking about her or looking for her? So they walked over to the cops that were at the harbor and the Navy commander said,

listen, we're from the Navy. We can't really arrest people. And in my opinion, there's something wrong here. Like, you need to get to the bottom of it. I think you need to arrest this guy. They said that you have a situation where some marine sinks to people were missing, and only one comes out.

This is not right. When he was first asked about where Kim vol was, he said, oh, she's fine. I dropped her off the night before at around 10.30 pm, close to the harbor where she lived. He even listed the specific harbor that he dropped off. They asked him, well how do you know Kim? He stated, oh I don't really know much about her other than that she was a journalist

for wired, doing a piece on me, and it's not like I do background checks when a journalist calls and says, can I interview you? And it looked like he just really wanted to go home. But the police, they had other plans. The whole thing is not adding up. If you dropped came off, why would she not be home? And what a coincidence that you guys were out together. Both go missing, but it was not together.

Everything felt very off. And while the cops are escorting Madsen to the car to arrest him, there are reporters just hurling questions at him. And the way he responds also makes people just kind of perk up in their chairs. They're chasing him and they're asking him what happened, what happened. And he said, I'm fine. I'm a little sad, a little sad. Seeing the non-alus go down was extreme. He told reporters that the non-alus had sunk. How? Val-failure. Valest failure. His biographer, Thomas, the one that he worked closely with. He saw this on TV, and it was just like,

something was itching at him. Even in the event of failure, Peter is known to be poetic. It's all about image for Peter. He would have said, this is what the biographer who works so closely with him said, he would have said something along the lines of, this was the crown jewel of my work. And now it's at the bottom of the sea. But this is the way it is. This is how you learn, grow, and experience the glory of such things. But

instead he looks like it's on Cal failure, he looks kind of like he doesn't want to communicate. The whole demeanor just, it just wasn't right. And Peter Matzen is used to failure because when you're creating rockets and submarines, you're going to fail, you know? And every single time he's always been poetic, he was also asked about Kim and he stayed at, there was no one on board but me. No one else on board? No one. So he was taken to the police station and questioned and get this. When he was talking about his sub-sinking, he would go off on these overly technical tangents

that the police clearly could not debunk or couldn't even question him on because they don't know anything about subs, they don't know the jargon, but when they came to Kim, he had very little to say. Even the way he just dropped her off, it was very curt, the way that he described it is very short. And the investigators stated, In terms of shock, Either someone remembers everything, or they remembered nothing. That's how shock works.

But Peter remembered everything about the submarine sinking, and remembered nothing about Kim. It is inconsistent. Nobody saw it then though, but in the footage of him being asked all of these questions, in the footage of him coming to the dock after the subsync, the truth is right there, because there on the left side of his nose is a little bit of Kim's blood.

Meanwhile, the media was told that Madsen reported to drop in Kim off earlier that night, and so everyone believes that she had gotten off the submarine and something bad happened to her. That's how much everyone just generally thought that Madsen was a good character. But even that didn't make the most statistical sense because in places like Denmark, it is very, very rare to get murdered or kidnapped, and Copenhagen is actually considered one of the safest cities in the entire world. Now, nobody is saying that bad things cannot happen to you in places like this, but what are the odds that something happens to her in Copenhagen and then his sub-synx

right after and it's just what are the odds? When Kim's friends and fellow journalists heard the news of her disappearance, they were shocked, but their journalist brains went into overdrive. None of it made sense. There weren't enough facts, and the facts weren't adding up. There wasn't enough details about her disappearance. And they said, what do you mean she's missing? She's been to North Korea. I mean, she's been to some shady, shady places.

For her to go missing, interviewing this guy is a bit weird. The police started to follow the lead, Mats and Gabe. And they went to the harbor that he stated that he dropped Kim off, right? And they're trying to figure out was Kim seeing meeting someone else, which she picked up by someone which direction did she walk off to. Thankfully, there was a bar nearby that had extensive CCTV range of the harbor, and they combed through the footage. Nobody, nobody that looked like Kim had gotten to the harbor that night. On top of that, there were no eyewitnesses of Kim that night, which is huge. She was all over the news in Denmark at this point.

I mean, this was like the biggest story of that time. I mean, surely someone would have come forward if they saw her. The search for Kim continues, but instead of looking near the harbor, now the authorities kind of start searching in the waters. Their concern was, what if Kim is still in the sun? There could be an air pocket and she could still be alive and we have to get her. The Navy sent divers down and much of the sub was flooded with water since the hatch was left open by Madsen deliberately and they start going to all the windows peering in.

There were no survivors that they could see. Additionally, it did not seem feasible or safe for them to go inside. What? So, just to make the timeline more clear, August 10th, that night, August 10th, like 730, they get on to the sub. That morning, August 11th, Madsen is found in the submarine's sinks. Not a single trace of Kim. The very next day, August 12th, Madsen is arrested and he appears in court.

And this is like a pretty gliminary hearing. He's not even technically really charged. His story wasn't adding up. There were just pretty, pretty big holes in his story, so it didn't make sense. August 13th, the authorities start lifting the submarine out of the water. Their plan was to get one of those giant, giant, almost like cargo ships, like Navy ships,

lift the sub-up with these giant cranes that are on the ship and hope that it won't snap in half, bring it to the harbor where they would drain the water, I think like 9,000 gallons of water, and start searching the inside. That was the first real evidence that their suspicions were not unfounded. Kim was not in the submarine, but everything was a mess. Authorities reported finding what looked like pieces of flesh in the boat in the sub. And there were still some water that didn't fully drain and then it had come up to their blue suits.

They touched it. And when they got out, one of the naval commanders, they just had this weird feeling. And they sniff touched it. I mean, they got out one of the naval commanders. They're just at this weird feeling. And they sniffed it. It smelled very strongly of blood. And yes, it's a steel submarine. And some people think that blood has a metallic scent, which it does. But the naval commander is saying, no, when you're talking about blood in water, that's been kind of diluted in water. It's a very specific, specific smell. And we know that smell. They also found her jacket still in the submarine,

which why would anyone leave that? If she had been brought ashore to any harbor, right? Not that one, because clearly there's no footage over there. But any harbor, she would have taken her things with her. She is not a careless woman. Why would she leave her jacket? She had like, tickets, train tickets in the jacket, still that she needed to be used.

Why would she do that? But it still doesn't get authorities closer to finding Kim. And right now, the whole world seemed to be talking about this incident like they were at the Titan. Was this a rescue mission, or is it going to be a recovery mission?

What's going on? Kim's parents came out to state that they were heartbroken over what was going on. And they said, and I quote, Kim has worked in many dangerous places as her work as a journalist. And there have been many times we were worried about her. That something could have happened in Copenhagen, just as stones throw away from her childhood home, is something we could have never imagined. Over 10 days later, everyone's worst fears

were confirmed. There was a flurry of police activity near the shore, which is not normal in Copenhagen. Media, civilians, everyone waited for a press conference, and everyone's thinking the same thing, but they don't want to say it out loud. They believed that they found her body, but it was so much worse. They found a woman's torso without her legs, without her arms and without her head, just a torso. It was clearly from manual dismemberment from another human and not ocean life. Authorities stated they do need to do DNA testing,

but this is not really common in Copenhagen, so people thought, what are the odds? It's not her. The results would show that it was, fact Kim Volsthorso. And this changed everything, including Peter Matzen's story. Peter Matzen said, you know what, you're right, I didn't drop Kim off. I was too nervous to tell you guys the truth from the get-go. According to his new story, he was opening up the hatch on the sub, which you would imagine is very, very heavy, because you can't let any of that water come in when you're completely submerged. It's like this giant, giant,

bolted steel plate, and then you've got to push it open so that you can get out once you're above water. He had to hold it up so that they could get through the hatch and get out, but he lost his grip and he said this giant steel hatch came crashing down on Kim as she was trying to leave the tower so it hit her in the head, knocked her out, she fell down and she was dead. Wait, this is when they're trying to leave? Yeah. Not okay. Yeah. What? What if comparing car insurance rates was as easy as putting on your favorite podcast? With Progressive, it is. Just visit the Progressive website to quote with all the What if comparing car insurance rates was as easy as putting on your favorite podcast?

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investigation that uncovered it all. Did you consider yourself a rat? 100%. I saved my soul just like everybody else does. Listen to and follow the set, an Odyssey Originals documentary podcast series available now in the Odyssey app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. I'm not a big guy man, but I love being that dirty mother f***er. So he said he knew it, he was so panicked, he felt awful, just horrible, and as someone who has been at sea for a while, he stated, he didn't know what else to do, but give her

a few normal at sea. So he threw her body overboard. His story conveniently leaves out the part that she was dismembered and the fact that her torso showed evidence of torture. There were markings on her torso that looked like inflicted wounds, yeah, torture wounds, as well as many stab wounds on her private areas were also found. So the authorities did not believe him, and it was scary that a killer could just stare them in the eyes and lie like that.

I mean, to think that they would just believe it and send him home, like they had no idea what kind of monster they were working with. So they were determined to prove it. In order to build a case against him, they would have to explain how Kim died, otherwise a court would have a very hard time convicting him of murder. And the best way to prove it is to find Kim's body. Finding her head would be crucial in closure for families, but also for justice. If investigators could prove that she had no fractures or blunt force trauma to the head,

his entire story would be debunked. But finding parts of her body in Croubae, nearly impossible. They said it's the equivalent of, do you know how big of a ball field is right? Think about 10 foot ball fields. Someone flies over in a helicopter and drops a quarter go look for that quarter Yeah, that's how hard it was and every day was even harder because the body parts would move because of the water current So they had to bring in an oceanographer who was at his whole life. All he did was study how things move in water. He would have to map out, okay, today we have to search this area because if there was anything dropped at this area, it would have moved to this area,

but then if it was dropped at this area, it would move to this. It was so complicated and on top of that, let me explain. If you were in this giant room, not this room is not giant, but like if you were in a giant room, you could see 10 feet ahead, 20 feet ahead, if there's nothing blocking your field of vision. You could probably see the end of a stadium or giant ballroom. In the water, you see like a book slink the way, or at least this water. That's all you see. The rest is murky. So you can't just go in there and scan an area with your eyes and then be like, okay, like, I scanned 100 feet. It's huge. It's looking for a tiny, tiny piece in a giant ocean.

October 6th, 56 days of search, 50 divers a day, there are about 3,500 dive times recorded, 200 acres of area covered with the calculation of water movement. In the end, the police found Kim's legs and her severed head. No way. Yeah, and it showed that she had no traces of blunt force trauma or fractures. Peter's second story was a lie. And it was clear, with the evidence of the stab wounds, the prosecutors believed he took him down into the sub, dropped her in their isolated her from the world, basically buried her with her own killer, and statistically tortured her, killed her, and dismembered her, all because she was a woman doing her job.

And before you say, well, it could happen to a man, but it didn't. Peter did not ask any men to come into the sub alone. But he did that week ask many women. It seems like he just wanted to kill any woman that week. The first woman that would be alone in the sub with him was the one that he was going to kill. He asked multiple friends, multiple acquaintances, do you want to go into the sub? Some of these friends asked, oh yeah, great, sure, can I bring my kids? And he said no. And that friend said that was really weird,

because Peter usually is known for wanting a ton of people around him. He loved big, big gatherings, especially the sub. Like, he loved taking people down into the sub. So for him to refuse, it just felt, it felt really off. So she said, hmm, maybe not, like, I gotta watch the kids kids so I can't go. Now the police searched through Peter's phone in his computer, which side note Peter really did not want to give the maxes to his computer. He kept screaming that he had trade and business secrets on there that the police were trying to steal. It was a huge ordeal, but they had a forensic expert trying to get all the data from his devices. And the day that he got

on the submarine with Kim, he was googling girl beheading and the word agony. It was premeditated. He did it rationally, intentionally to fulfill some vile sexual fantasy that he had. His computer revealed a plethora of evidence. I mean, just film upon film of videos of women being beheaded, burned alive, killed, tortured. These are illegal, by the way.

Some clips of these videos were played for the courts and it was really, burned alive, killed, tortured. These are illegal, by the way. Some clips of these videos were played for the courts and it was really, really bad. He was watching these videos 24 hours before he went out into that sub with Kim. He was watching it like that morning. Whether he was watching for satisfaction or to prepare himself or for both, it's unclear, but he was really bad.

And if you guys don't know what a snuff film is, it's super illegal. They basically depict real life murder or torture in a video. Like, it's not like Hollywood where things are CGI'd, it's real. And typically, the victims are women. Now, he tries to convince everyone that his interns used his work computer at work, and they're the ones watching this. He's trying to bring everyone down with him, like all these young people who had given

so much of their youth, time, and energy to help him with his dreams He's gonna try and tear them down. Thankfully no one believed him But one intern would later testify that the day before the murder Peter was asking him Hey, do you want to see something cool? I found a website where you can look at um unreleased crime scene photos of victims and The intern was very terrified, but he still didn't think that it was that alarming.

He didn't think that Peter would kill someone. He just thought it was very strange. Side note, authorities believe the torturing inflicted on Kim's body was done around the time of death, so either shortly before or shortly after. They cannot be certain, but they stated it was probably inflicted with a knife, sharpened screwdriver, ties, metal pipes, and a wood saw. And the biggest question people had was, why would you need a wood saw on a steel submarine, unless you were doing something else?

There were 37 markings on Kim's body indicating that he had made puncture wounds. So now Peter has a new story because her head has no evidence of trauma. And he's going to need one during trial. Trial starts and he debuts his new little alibi. Or new little story. She did not have blunt force trauma on the head because she actually died of carbon monoxide poisoning. He stated that she was down in the sub while he was trying to get the hatch to work because the hatch was stuck.

So he's trying to lift it, pry it open, but since the engines were still running, somehow there was an issue and carbon monoxide was getting inside, and Kim died within 10 minutes. The reason that he didn't tell this truth, quote, from the beginning was because it took her 10 minutes to die, and he didn't want Kim's family and friends to be in pain knowing that it was not a quick death. So he made up the hatch story, which was quick and sudden. Which I don't know if that makes any sense. In fact, I think Bluntforth's trauma to the head is much more shocking of a thing to

hear, not because I believe his current story, but it just makes no sense. The prosecutors straight up told him, then, well, why did you straight up ask him then? Well, why did you cut her up? He just stated very eerily. I had a big problem. What do you do with a big problem? You cut it into small pieces. He also stated he didn't see how it matters that he dismembered her body because she was already dead. So with all of this coming out, he's still sticking with his story that I was carbon monoxide. Peters biographer and those who used to be close to him said that Peter overestimates himself.

He believes that he can convince people. I mean, he did it with submarines. He did it with rockets. And now he thinks that he can do it with murder. Prosecutors, he did lead told Peter, like point blank in trial, I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I guess that made Peter think about shifting gears and the trial, he starts trying to strike the hearts of his audience.

He kept talking about his cats, and how much he loved his cats, and how he needed to go home to his cats, his cats depended on him, and everyone was like, what does this have to do with the case? It was so strange, it felt like he genuinely believed that his wants and his needs and his cats

were more important than a person's life, a person's life that he took. Like this guy is a full-blown narcissist, and it was starting to come out in court. In fact, his psychiatric evaluation was revealed in court and it read, severe lack of empathy, remorse, and sense of guilt, relishes in watching violent videos, the psychiatrists also jotted down, personally deviant, narcissistic, unconcerned, lacking

remorse, regretting guilt. A few other things come out in court, multiple women were called to testify against Madsen, and they all stated that he was very normal. They did not think that he had a perclivity to violence or aggression in any way. Many of them had met him at sex parties, like BDSM parties, which I know the media tried to run with it and they were like, oh my god, BDSM. That had nothing to do with it. They were all consenting adults at these parties, and on top of that, these women said that Peter never seemed aggressive.

He always respected boundaries. He was a little weird. He would text women sometimes things like, I'm just a perverted poly with a dream of taboo free places where all adults in their right mind can teach each other to do whatever they want. Sick, perhaps, but there's no cure. The women said otherwise he was very gentle. That's what they said. And I want to iterate that these women are not going into court questioning the validity of what happened to Kim. This is them telling the courts how shocked they were. And how well this man hit his true intentions. These women were disgusted.

They were not saying these things in defense of Peter Madsen. Because at the same time, they were discussing people online basically victim blaming Kim. Saying that it was weird for her to go in the sub with someone she didn't know. Forgetting that it's quite literally her job, male and female journalists have to do this all the time and typically the risks are higher and they're higher for female journalists. So what do we do? Should we start telling women to stop being journalists? Or should we start telling people to stop killing people?

I think the answer is very clear. Other horrible people judge the fact that she wore a dress on the submarine. They judged her for not wearing long pants. They're like, why would else would you wear a dress to a sub? Another net is in commented, the video of her leaving in the sub gives me the impression that she's going on a date rather than a journalist on a mission. So I think these women were trying to show that every single woman out there, every single female reporter, every single reporter, no matter their gender, every single person who vaguely knew Peter would have gladly gotten in that sub that day. This is how unassuming he is and that is so much more terrifying. Other women said while he never did anything super alarming,

he did have this weird energy about him. Some people said that he kind of viewed women as playthings more than human beings. They didn't really see a hatred for women, but probably well hidden. These are just little things that they would pick up here and there. Oh inside note, Peter is married. He was married in 2011, and he and his wife had an open marriage. Once he was arrested, his wife divorced him and never smoked publicly about this case ever again. Another important message came out during trial, where he had jokingly texted one of his

friends that worked with him. And one of the women that he worked with jokingly texted him, Peter, you've got to send me a little death threat or something so I can get my work done faster. Like I need some pressure. I'm working so slowly. I don't follow. What does that mean? She's like, you need to scare me into working more.

Because I'm like, we're moving so slowly. So send me a death threat. Because technically, Peter's her boss. Oh, oh, oh. So, you know, there were no. This was before, right? Yeah. But his message is, again, in the context, he's joking, yes.

But it's eerily similar to what it said that he did to Kim. He said, Ha, ha. Okay, I will tie you up in the nautilus and pierce you with skewers. Then my knife will come out and I will look at your throat, looking for the artery. I have a murder plan and it's going to be great pleasure. April 25th of 2018, after 11 days, the court reached a verdict and Peter Matson was sentenced to life in prison. After serving 12 years in Denmark, you can apply for part-in. Average life sentences in Denmark you typically serve 16 years.

Wow, what? Yeah, so it's hard to say if you'll ever get out, but yeah, it still doesn't explain why. After he was sentenced, he had one final change in his story, where he does admit to killing him. He doesn't explain how he did it. He doesn't go into detail on any of that. He just makes it about himself. He did multiple phone interviews while he was in prison. And I'm going to read a lot of the quotes that he said and it's really chilling. He said, I didn't go around living a wonderful life and suddenly bang. I got evil.

Something made it happen. This is my confession. What the fuck happened? How can it be a mystery to you guys that good comes in a package with bad? There aren't heroes in bad guys. They're just humans. And under the right circumstances, under the right kind of pressure, under the right mistreatment, you can make people do just about every horrific thing to each other that you can think of.

Okay, look, even now he's killed someone and he's trying to beat this, this voice of teaching, this voice of reason and philosophy and the one that is poetic about life and it's just really agitating. He continues, you're looking for an explanation. Why did this happen? Peter said that he was so frustrated at his rocket's not succeeding. He felt like he was no longer the sole center of attention and it started to really mess with him. The way Peter says it is that he was being used. So remember how he started Copenhagen's Borbidls with a co-founder?

Well, the co-founder, I literally came up to him and was like, hey, you can help build the rockets but you can't be at the launches anymore. I don't think that this happened, but for whatever reason, there was drama and Peter was kicked out of Copenhagen's orbitals. He started his own rocket company literally in the same lot, just like looking at Copenhagen's orbitals every day he went into the workshop. And his own rocket company was not going well. And I think the problem was, you know, when he started Copenhagen's orbitals, he's thinking, I'm going to get the glory of the fame. It's gonna be about me, me and my rockets. But to build a rocket, you have to bring in a lot of knowledgeable people.

And these knowledgeable people are not gonna just say, yeah, boss, to everything you say, because you're building a freaking rocket, you need to do it right. So a lot of these people, when you would say something dumb, they'd be like, that's dumb. We cannot do that. Physically, we cannot do that. And he would get so irritated. People stated, Peter could not cooperate with people. I mean, could not. He loved drama. He liked the feeling of being the only one that had input. He hated being ignored. If his input was ignored, he would get extremely aggressive and angry. And the more you ignore him,

the more incensed he would get about creating drama. And sometimes he couldn't stand not being the smartest guy in the room. And when you're building a rocket, you're not gonna beat the smartest guy in the room. Peter's biographer said, Peter lives in a world where there are winners and losers. And at this point in his life, he was losing

and he was losing big. So two weeks before the murder of Kim, he had a rocket launch that was prepared for his new company and they had to cancel it because they were, it wasn't doing well. For him, his project was never submarines. Peter's project was never rockets or the love of making things. Peter's project was Peter Madsen. That was his project, just being known, being this character, being respected and in control. So whatever he project. Just being known, being this character, being respected and in control. So whatever he could do to get that, it wasn't actually

the subs or the rockets. Peter will never talk about how much he regrets the crime or what he actually did. He just talks about how stressed out he was and how miserable he was and how he was pushed into killing someone. He also has this moment where he almost feels bad for himself and he says, if somebody tells you that you're a narcissistic psychopath, the only way that you can make the verdict correct is to become that psychopath. I know you guys want your monster. I sense your hatred, but it doesn't make any difference. There is no closure to be found here. Now this is crazy, but October 20th of 2020, after 30 months in prison, peer escaped.

What? Okay, he managed to build a weapon in jail, threatened the guard to let him out, and he started making a run for it. It was a rather brief escape that ended with him sitting on the grass and sharp shooters surrounding him in Denmark. So again, this is, um, it's a lot. He just keeps proving to be worse than imagined, and of course, the question is lingering as he had done this before?

An officer on the case said, this is his personal opinion, not the official police opinion. He said, what happened is very rare that you commit a crime like that as your first violent crime. Abusive or sexual crimes might have come first, just maybe not caught. It's that they had been looking into connections between Madsen and any unsolved disappearances or unsolved violent assaults against women. So far there are no concrete connections. There have also been talks that he's a serial killer.

I mean that's in the air if he was or not, but many state that he would perfectly fit the profile. Even in the Netflix doc, there's footage of him before the murder where he's trying to make his own movie and he would get angry at work and he would say things like, I would like to kill someone with a spoon and he would get angry at work and he would say things like, I would like to kill someone with a spoon, and I would choose the person by chance. He then told the videographer that he was gonna hack her to death,

and she gasped like, you're gonna hack with an axe, like hack me to death? And he said, no, hug! You heard hack, I said hug. But that was definitely an unsettling moment in the doc. I think the case just devastated a lot of people around the world.

The world lost another talented voice whose whole life mission was just to help others. But it's also another grim reminder that women are not safe doing their jobs. Kim once said to a friend, I only have questions about agency as a woman and if we will ever be free. No matter what we do, leaning towards no. Most female journalists said that they wouldn't have thought twice about going in that sub. That's just the job you have to do. You're not going into the sub with a known war criminal,

just a man who built the sub. She was just doing her job and she ran into a killer. And he truly is an evil person that felt like he could just do something to someone. And he's kind of like this, he thinks he's a main character villain. He wrote once, nothing is sacred in hell, no morals, no ethics, only your own disgusting selfish ego. Given to your anger, use the knife. Hell is permeated with an evil that penetrates your head.

He wrote, you need to choose between heaven and hell, and if you choose hell, a whole new world opens up. In his head, he's like the Hades, the God of Hell, in his mind. But in reality, he is just a loser in jail now. He will be forgotten, Kim Vaugh will forever be remembered, Kim's family and friends created the Kim Vaugh Memorial Fund, and they help female journalist. Her mom said humanity needs more courageous women like Kim. Women who have the endeavor to tell give their voices to the weak and make this planet a better place to live. Kim, we miss you.

I'm going to link the fund in the description. And that is the case of the Missing Submarine that really captivated a lot of. And I think that the media reporting on this case was also very questionable. The fact that everyone was almost playing into the fact that Ratson was like this evil genius, and they were like calling him the genius wacky inventor. He never really invented anything.

Like the guy was just an egotistical person, but yeah, what are your thoughts? Even in the comments, please be safe, and I will see you guys on Sunday for the minisuit. Where we will be back in our Rotten Mango setting. Bye!