Rotten Mango - #294: “Good Girl” Nurse Killed 7 Babies To Get Doctor’s Attention & Sympathy

Episode Date: September 10, 2023

Dr. Crush and Lucy Letby would always lean on each other for support during the tough times. They always prided themselves on being a good team. Even when times were tough, which they often were in the NICU, their bond remained strong.  Chester Hospital was facing a dangerously significant uptick in infant deaths in its NICU unit. It felt like every other week, the nurses and doctors had to go home and weep with their families. They had lost another one.  Nobody knew what it was. Was the hospital haunted? Cursed? Maybe there was something contaminating the baby formula, water, or air? Or maybe a sweet, kind, smiling nurse was secretly a serial killer hiding amongst the hospital staff… Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bramble. Better being better, but... There's this idea that trauma helps bond people together. Would you agree? I can see that. Okay, I mean it very lightly though. Like, you always see the relationship experts on TikTok being like, this is why you go to an amusement park on the very first date.

Because the adrenaline, the energy, the rush, it can be translated into feelings of attachment and love very easily. It's an easy way to bond. I don't know. And even on a large scale, like I can see how shared experiences they help people come together. Have you seen Grey's Anatomy? No.

I used to be upset with that show. It's a show about a hospital. There's doctors, there's nurses. They're just trying to get through their jobs without having like a mental breakdown on a daily basis. Some of them fall in love, some of them get a divorce. Ultimately, it's about friendship, it's about forming things bonds and like supporting each other. Dr. Crush and Lucy Letby from the UK, from Chester Hospital, they were kind of on that boat. So whenever they would work on the same patients together,

they would send these quick little text messages after work. We do work well together, don't we? Or I felt proud about both of us. But these are just like the good times. During the tough times, they would also text each other. So whenever they lost an infant in the NICU, they would try to be with each other throughout the process.

Dr. Krush would bring nurse Lucy chocolates to throughout the process. Dr. Crush would bring nurse Lucy chocolates to help cheer up. Sometimes they would make these little Starbucks runs together or share lunch like top-as. He always encouraged Darni, told her, nobody cares for infants, the way that you do. You are a spectacular nurse. And you did your absolute best for these patients. And there is nothing more that you could have done so you shouldn't harbor any guilt or frustration within yourself. But still, nurse Lucy would say, yeah, I know, but I see these parents, I see them walking home without their babies and it's just heartbreaking.

And even if Dr. Crush wasn't able to take away Lucy's pain, at least she had some support during all of this. I think everyone at Chester Hospital especially, they needed some serious emotional support. Because in the past year, they had been losing infants at an alarming rate. A rate that didn't even match the national average of the infant mortality rates. So something is going on in these hospital walls and they need to get to the bottom of it. And it seemed like Nurse Lucy, she could be the one to provide some insight. She was one of the most qualified nurses in the NICU.

At work, everyone said, she's like this vanilla goody tushies. But they meant that in the nicest way possible. She always followed the rules. She picked up extra shifts, she did everything to a T. But at home, things were different. In a journal hidden in her room, Lucy had written Dr. Crush's name over and over and over with hearts all around it. Dr. Crush Heart, Dr. Crush Heart, Dr. Crush Heart, Dr. Crush Heart. She wrote, My best friend, my love. I wanted you to stand by me, but you didn't.

Love, I trusted you with everything. One day, I won't even think of you. I'm a failure, though. Brokenhearted, killing me softly. And down the hall in Lucy's home, if you opened up one of the bedroom doors, there was a bedroom decorated as a nursery, which giraffes all over the walls. But the thing is, Lucy didn't have a child. She wasn't even planning on having a child. There was no other man in her life other than Dr.

Crush, but Dr. Crush was already married. He already had children of his own. So she has a nursery in the house. Yeah, with no plans of having a child anytime soon. It's very odd, but that's not even the most curious thing about Lucy. But we have a nursery at home. Okay, for my niece. Okay. That's not even the most curious thing though. Okay, so that maybe we can explain away. But there was another sticky note found in Lucy's house that read, I am evil. I did this. There are no words. I'm an awful person. I pay

every day for it. I can't breathe. I can't focus. I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough for them. I'm a horrible evil person and the world is better without me. Then in big, bold, red letters, she wrote down the words, kill me and circled it over and over. Could these notes be a confession? What's she responsible for the uptake and infant deaths in the NICU? This is the story of Nurse Lucy, the most evil nurse in recent times, and probably one of the more recent serial killers to have been caught. As always, Full Show Notes are available at RottenMangoPlatcast.com. This case has been highly requested, and I wanted to wait till the trial was over to provide you with kind of a bit

of a more complete story. I mean, this case went absolutely viral on most platforms recently because, and this is my personal opinion, I think it's crazy. I mean, there's no lightweight to put it. I think people were just having a very hard time understanding why someone would do something like this. And I don't think that the trial really answered any of those questions.

So people are left with this feeling of like, what happened and how and why and like nothing feels like closure? Quick side note, the victims' families have requested that they and the names of their children be kept anonymous. So the victims are often referred to in court documents as baby ABC and so on and so forth all the way to baby Q. There's a baby Q. That's, whoa. There's a lot of victims in this case. And I'm going to use the name that begins with the letter so it's easier for you to track and we will be using random pseudonyms for the parents and family to respect their privacy. There are also other nurses and

doctors at this hospital whose names are available online, but as a precaution, I'm just going to be shortening their names just in case they don't want their full names in the full episode. But you can find their names online rather easily. So with that being said, let's get into it. Nurse Lucy worked in the neonatal NICU unit at Chester Hospital, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to put it nicely for Nurse Lucy, but she could be a bit much. She could be a lot to handle for some of the other nurses. To me at least, from what we could dig up from the internet, she gives off very strong brown nose revives.

She would be the type to do everything that she was asked to do and then try to do your job too, which, okay fine, it sounds kind of like a joy to be around, right? But a lot of the times it's just straight up agitating. Oh, there goes perfect nurse Lucy, the most qualified nurse in the NICU, sticking her head in everybody's business. Like imagine you're changing a patient's diaper, right?

She pops her head in. Did you change the diaper? Don't forget to check, I'm changing the diaper. Like what, I'm doing it, you can visually see that I'm doing it right now. That's kind of the vibe she gives off. Just check in in on everybody's patience. It's insulting in the sense that sometimes nurse Lucy

can come off as someone who believes that only she can do a good job. And everyone else needs her opinion or her help. She would even be a bit too much for the parents of the babies in the NICU. So sometimes it's something particular. Sometimes it's something she says or does in front of the parents. Most of them didn't even register it at the time as being creepy because their parents

in the NICU, they've got way bigger things on their minds, right? But it would be one of those instances where they go home, they finally get some rest, they're laying in bed and they're staring at the ceiling thinking Huh That was weird. Like honey, did you hear that? That was so strange. Why did why do you think she said that? A lot of the times it was just kind of the energy she gave off nurse Lucy like to hover All at the wrong times when parents wanted some alone time to gather their emotions She's just hovering when parents are grieving an unspeakable loss. She's just hovering

She's like always lingering somewhere nearby and you just feel eyes on you in your most vulnerable moments That's how Alice felt Alice felt like she was living in a repeat nightmare that would just startle over whenever the morning began. She didn't even know how she was going to start processing the trauma of the past few weeks. But today, she felt strangely calm. In this instance, this was probably the first time in a while that she just felt collected. Maybe it's the water. Maybe it's the smell of the baby's soap. Her mind just felt so clear. And she just wanted to cherish this moment. She wanted to soak in every second of it. She focused on the feeling of the warm water.

And with one hand, she's like scooping up water and bringing it over her baby's legs in the hospital baby bathtub. And then she would get half a pump of soap on her fingers. And her baby was quiet. So Alice, like any other new mom, she's trying to take the time to memorize her kid's face. She's like trying to memorize the color of her eyes, like her smooth forehead, the round cheekbones that are buried under the layers of squishy baby fat. And all the while, she's having this beautiful moment with her child, she can feel this looming presence behind her.

Nurse Lucy is hovering over this precious moment. To be fair, Nurse Lucy was the one that suggested Alice bathed her baby. And even though privacy right now would be nice, Alice couldn't hate her for trying to be helpful, right? Lucy said, I can take some pictures to remember this special moment if you want. Alice just wished that she would shut up,

just stop talking. But she tried her best to just block out nurse Lucy and all her questions and just focus on her baby. She needed to use all her focus to memorize how it felt to hold her baby in her baby. She needed to use all her focus to memorize how it felt to hold her baby in her arms. Her baby who was too still in the water. Her baby that would not be coming home with her. Alice's water broke at 27 weeks. That is three months too early. We actually went through this with my sister where my sister's water broke early not 27 weeks early

But she was turned away from the hospital the hospital didn't believe Alice either when she was like my water broke There were like no it didn't She was sent home and three days later she was rushed to a massive hospital and gave birth prematurely and at first Baby was doing fine. Baby was okay After being transferred to chest or hospital though doing fine. Baby was okay. After being transferred to Chester Hospital though, that's when her precious child flatlined two times and the third time doctors were unable to save her. So that's how Alice found herself burying her tiny baby the day before her original due date. So it's like a, it's a special type of pain for Alice and her family had already moved out all the baby stuff so that

she wouldn't have to see it, she wouldn't have to process that emotion and that just the visuals of that would be so heartbreaking. But she couldn't escape the fact that moms, when they give birth, their bodies crave that baby. Because your body is confused. It's very hard to tell your body like, hey, baby's not here and that's okay, we're gonna get through it. Your body is like, I've worked like 10 months. Where is my child? The day after the funeral, so the original due date of Alice's baby, a letter appears in the family mailbox. It reads, to the family, there are no words to make this time any easier. It was a real privilege to care for Isabella and to get to know you as a family. A family who always put baby first and did everything possible for her. She will always be a part of your lives and we will never forget her. Thinking of you today and always, sorry I can't be there to say goodbye.

Nurse Lucy. Okay so nurses don't usually send letters like this to the families of the parents, but you could argue that Lucy had gotten to know the family well during their time at the hospital. Maybe she just wanted Alice and the rest of their family to know that the loss of baby Isabel has impacted all the nursing staff at Chester, and that her baby would never be forgotten. But Lucy was in telling the full truth in the letter.

There are things that she left out. Like how Alice's baby was the seventh baby to die in the NICU unit that year. She talked about how the whole staff had been affected, but they weren't just affected by sadness or grief. They were sad, yeah, but they were also very worried. And maybe even a little bit suspicious. Seven babies, that's way above the national average. That doesn't even make sense. The nurses and doctors weren't sure what was wrong, but each baby they had died of health complications due to being born premature. It seemed natural, but then again, infant mortality rates had never been this high at chesters, so why they set in spike.

So there were these rumors going around, because you know, when you don't have an answer, there's rumors. And the first rumor was, okay, this was like a smaller rumor, but it was a rumor that trustor was haunted or cursed. Or maybe it was the air or the water supply. Something was bad in the water, tainted, contaminated. Maybe some new medical equipment was interacting with the NICU infants in an odd way.

It just didn't make sense. There were even some whispers that the hospital water pipes had been contaminated with feces, and the nurses would wash their hands and then touch the babies, and it could easily, easily spread germs and diseases and viruses. So at first it was the hospital's haunted,

then someone cursed the hospital, then it was the fung shwe of the hospital was off, then the water pipes, and then it was one of the nurses in the hospital that was a serial killer, that was a rumor. And Dr. J was not having it, he was not a big fan of superstitions, nor rumors, he prided himself in obviously being a man of science, right? He's like haunted? People have died everywhere. Unfortunately, just about every single inch of this earth would be haunted then.

Cursed, nobody can curse a building where people try to save lives. It just wouldn't work. Because the hospital halls, they hear more prayers than the churches. That's the saying, right? The water pipes? Okay, that's something we should definitely look into. But the rumor that nurse Lucy was somehow involved in the deaths of a ton of babies in the NICU, that to Dr. J feels like a pending lawsuit ready to implode. You're saying that there are suspicions of her already in the hospital by the co-workers.

By the other nurses and some of the doctors that she's like a full blown serial killer. And Dr. Jay is like that literally doesn't make sense. He's like the hospital doctors, the managers, you can't just go around whispering to each other about how she might be involved and try to ruin her career and reputation without any concrete evidence. That is a taking defamation lawsuit that is an employer lawsuit waiting to happen. That's what he thought. Until one day, he is walking by the NICU hallway on the way back

to his office when he heard the alarm's just belaring a baby is coding. But after one or two seconds, the alarm stops going off. He still makes that immediate detour into the NICU and he sees the baby in the clear plastic box wriggling around, and he sees Lucy Letby. It's just an ear-y side. He said, like, standing like a tombstone over the baby's box. And I'm sure there was something in that split moment, maybe she was just staring at the baby in a certain way, something that he just felt immediately uncomfortable.

Probably unnatural. Yeah. Not a normal response in that moment. It was just weird, it was weird. And you know, the rumors were that every baby that had died or had been in critical condition had collapsed, Nurse Lucy Let's Be was there. And here she was again. But you didn't have time to think about that.

The blood oxygen readout was super low. The baby's heart rate was elevated. He ran over. He seized the baby laying there and his blood is running cold. The baby is supposed to have a breathing tube on. Baby Kayla was 12 weeks premature and her lungs hadn't finished developing. But the breathing tube wasn't on the baby in the baby and had been pulled out and laying next to baby Kayla. And now baby Kayla's chest is not moving. So Dr. J grabs the tube hooks baby Kayla back up to the oxygen. Her chest is finally moving. She's still showing

these minor signs of distress and discomfort. But her blood oxygen levels are evening out. blood oxygen levels are evening out. It's a close call. Nurse Lucy stood there most of the time without doing anything important. This is what he said. She looked busy. She was going through papers and adjusting machines, but she wasn't actually doing anything.

Like imagine a baby is dying, and I'm kind of like organizing the machine. Kind of like straightening it out. Dr. J felt like she was doing random things that made her look busy without actually getting anything done. Like that's one thing though. If you work a 9-5 office cubicle job doing that, it's another thing when you're doing that. When there's a dying baby right next to you and you're a nurse. So when he leaves the NICU, Dr. J feels so shaken up. He didn't even go back to his own office

like he had originally planned. He goes straight to the head office of the neonatal unit to talk to Dr. B. And he realized three things. One, nurse Lucy was the only one in that room with the babies. Two, when Dr. J walked in, she wasn't doing anything already to help the baby, but the alarm said already sounded. Why wasn't she in action? 3. Dr. J clearly heard the alarm turn on and then turn off again, but when he got to the room the readout was still low so the alarm should have still been sounding.

Did the alarm fail? And it just stopped? Was the machine broken? Or did someone manually turn it off? And you're telling me there's no cameras in these rooms? So the NICU in the UK didn't have cameras until 2020 mandatory. This is 2015. Wow. Come on. So he wanted to believe that the baby pulled out her breathing tube on her own and the whole alarm thing was just a coincidence, but he couldn't explain away the fact that Lucy wasn't doing anything to help the baby. But at this point, there's still not much evidence that Dr. J or any of the nurses or

any of the doctors had, like there's nothing that they could do right now, they were playing a very dangerous rumor game If it turned out to be false they could ruin an innocent woman's life and career and face a massive defamation lawsuit that would probably put this hospital out of business If it turned out to be true then they would need a lot more evidence To get her behind bars and that would be difficult because unfortunately death is a numbers game. And humans have the losing end of it.

So no matter how much each nurse and doctor on that floor begs and prays, not to lose a patient, that's just not how it works. All they can do is their best in hope that they're fighting off death for their patients with everything that they have, but sometimes there's just nothing more that you can do. You've exhausted all the resources. So for that very reason, the first death in a string of very suspicious deaths was actually not alarming at all. That's not to say it wasn't devastating or heartbreaking, don't get me wrong, but it

wasn't like setting off these red alarms and everyone's minds. June 2015 is when it all started. There were these two twins in the NICU, Baby Andy, and Baby Bella. They were born inside of the Chester Hospital and they were actually born nine weeks premature. So their mom Renee was classified as a high risk pregnancy and carrying the twins full term

was just putting way too much stress on her body. It would be dangerous for not only her health but the baby's health for them to stay in there any longer. And so she's freaking out. She's the first time mom and the doctors are like, you're going to have an emergency C-section like right now. And the nurse says, they're like, don't worry, everything's going to be okay. Your babies are going to be fine. We have an amazing NICU unit.

We have so much experience giving care to premature babies. They're going to stay safe and warm in their cozy little boxes. You can visit them all day, they'll get the care that they need, and then you guys can all go home once you're all ready, okay? They honestly were just trying to get our heart rate down before the C section, and she knew it, but it helped. The birth went perfectly fine. I mean, both of the twins, they did have some complications, and both of them were sent to the NICU to receive care, but I mean, the nurses showed Renee her babies, the parents were allowed to hold them, and the nurses pinky swore, we're going to take good care of them. You need to go back to your room and rest.

And that's what they did, until a nurse burst through their door and said, sorry, I didn't interrupt, but you're urgently needed in the NICU. They had no idea what was going on. So they leave their little forks of food because they were eating dinner and they rushed to the NICU and they kept asking the nurses, what do you mean, what's wrong, what happened? And the nurse doesn't respond. She's just speed walking to the NICU. These are all very, very bad

signs. Renee could feel this pit in her stomach that something was wrong with her babies. When they arrived, there's a team of doctors huddled around baby Andy. One doctor had two of his thumbs side by side on Andy's chest. These are how tiny these babies are, okay? Most of these babies weren't even four pounds. Most of them are premature, most of the victims. So just think about how tiny they are. Four pounds? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Silfy was like eight pounds when she was born. Yeah. Wow. And the doctor is like pushing down once, twice, three times. And Renee could see the sweat just dripping off his hair. There was another doctor in the corner of the room

that was drenched in sweat, catching his breath. It looked like he had been doing CPR, and finally a nurse told the parents, we're not really sure what happened. His alarms went off, he's been receiving CPR for about 40 minutes, but his pulse is not gonna come back. We called you so that you could say goodbye. Renee didn't even, couldn't even process what was going on. Her baby was

fine yesterday. Her baby was fine this morning when they saw him and again in the afternoon, but suddenly he flatlined like, there's no answers. What do you mean? She just felt this guilt. She had this autoimmune disease. So mom had an autoimmune disease that made her blood clot more than it should. So she's thinking maybe I passed it on to one of my twins and something happened and Andy's blood couldn't get where it needed fast enough

and maybe it's all my fault. The doctor kept performing CPR but Andy was already blue in the face. The more CPR they did, the more damage they would likely cause his little body. And Renee didn't even know how to respond. And she just felt this hand on her arm. And it was her mom. So baby Andy's grandma was in the hospital. And she must have heard the commotion. And she looked at her child Renee and told her something that I don't think any mom should have to tell their child, which is it's hard.

I know it's hard, but you have to let go, okay? The doctors stop the compressions. They unhooks baby Andy from all his machines and he was able to spend his last few moments with his family. There was this suffocating silence in the hospital that night. Each nurse, each doctor, I mean their shoulders felt a bit heavier. Nobody could even try to lighten the mood with the joke. It was arguably a very, very rough day. The doctor who did baby Andy's chest compressions, he had to take a whole week off work because this was the first baby he had ever lost.

After the parents had time to grieve baby Andy and say their goodbyes, a nurse approached them and said something along the lines of, hi, I'm Nurse Lucy. I'm so sorry for your loss. I just wanted to give you these. They looked down and a nurse Lucy's hands, there were a copy of Andy's hand and footprints.

Renee took the prints and made them into a necklace. She wore that necklace around her neck every single day. What exactly did she make? Like the footprints in like a polyesteramic or something. She wore that necklace every single day until she found out her son was murdered by the person who took those prints. Now, mind you, Renee is not even able to grieve in the comfort of her home. She's still in and out of that hospital.

Her body is healing. Her other baby, Andy's twin, Baby Bella, was still in the NICU. And of course, Renee feels this massive anxiety of like, what if something happens to Baby Bella too? But it seems like all the nurses are giving her good feedback, good news. Baby Bella seems stable. She seems healthy. Now, side note, in the UK, the average infant mortality rate is 1 to 2 per 1000 births. In 2014, Chester Hospital had overseen 3,000 births, and they had lost 3 babies. So it's right on par. So now when they lost Andy, nobody in that hospital is suspecting

that something was wrong. I mean, they believed that his death was completely natural. And it wasn't until baby Bella, Andy's twin sister felt gravely ill and baby Charlie, another premature baby in the NICU unit that died, that everyone's like, what the hell is going on? Like, what on earth is going on? Wow.

Baby Charlie died just four days after Baby Andy. And many of the nurses on shift, they had to take breaks, crying in the break room. It just didn't make sense. One nurse said, baby Charlie was tiny, he was barely two pounds. Like, that's less than a bag of sugar and weight. Two pounds. But she said, he was the fice

iest little baby I had ever seen. So it just didn't make sense when the alarms go off blaring. Charlie is coding and one of the nurses remembers how they all rushed to respond. They tried an oxygen mask on baby Charlie then CPR and then the most qualified nurse in the NICU unit, nurse Lucy suggested they try putting an oxygen tube through his trachea. But ultimately, Charlie didn't make it. And everyone was hit so hard by this,

like including Nurse Lucy. I mean, two babies in one week, this is a lot for the staff to digest. Lucy texted her coworker that wasn't at the hospital that day and said, it wasn't a great start to the shift, but sadly it just got worse. I'm struggling to accept what happened to baby Andy, and now we lost baby Charlie overnight, and it's just all a bit much. I know it happens, but it's

still so sad and cruel, isn't it? I just keep seeing them both. No one should have to see and do the things that we do, and it's heartbreaking, but you know, it's not about me. We must learn to deal with it. Her coworker said, you should try switching off your shifts for the rest of the week. Like, take a break. You were there for both deaths. I'm sure it's not easy, basically.

It's so sick, because she actually says the right thing. So she's like, the emotion she's trying to mock is very on part with what most people feel like right? Prosecutors react would actually argue that Not to this co-worker, but to Dr. Crush the doctor that she has a crush on we're gonna get to it later But they argue that she might have even killed these babies To make these conversations happen Yeah, we're gonna get it. We're gonna dissect all of that in a second.

But she continued, it's not about me, it's about the poor parents who have to walk away without their baby. So now two babies have died and there's been one close call. I mean, things are a little weird, but again, not suspiciously so, until there was a fourth. Baby Diana wasn't pretty much her. She was just in the NICU unit because her birth had taken a really long time weird but again not suspiciously so until there was a fourth baby Diana wasn't premature she was just in the niki unit because her birth had taken a really long time and the doctors were worried that she had caught an infection from it this is actually the hospital's fault wait so baby Bella's not past yet baby Bella almost died but she survived yes so baby Andy baby

Charlie and now baby Diana. Baby Diana was not premature. The other three babies were premature. Baby Diana was actually in the NICU because of a mistake that the hospital made. So I believe when a mother's water breaks, but no one accepts it or like she doesn't go into labor, something of that sort, the baby is very likely

to get an infection and so is the mother. So one of the first things that the staff do are put them on antibiotics, but someone forgot to do that. So now baby Diana had to be in the NICU because they didn't know she was going to catch an infection the day that she was born and that could jeopardize her health that could be deadly. So Diana stopped breathing three separate times the very night that she was born. She was showing signs of pneumonia.

The breathing mask brought her back twice, but the third time she didn't make it. So, so far, we have baby's Andy, Bella, Charlie, and Diana, and the only survivor is Bella. And then all within the month, the hospital loses another baby, baby Elliot. And they almost lose baby Elliot's twin brother baby Freddy and then immediately after that they lose baby grace. They don't have reasons they couldn't figure out

why what's the cause. So each baby had a different cause listed on their post mortem so one of them was like their heart stopped the other one was a bowel infection one of them was insulin levels were not great. So it did seem natural but it still didn't make sense. Even if it was natural, like it's just a puzzling thing. So Dr. B the head of the neonatal unit, he's sitting in his office with a pile of papers, probably this high in front of him. And he's got records of all the five babies that they lost this year, five within like a month, two. Okay. So it's not even like spread once a month, you know.

This time last year, they had only lost one baby. This year, they had lost, so it's not even like one-se month, you know? This time last year, they had only lost one baby. This year, they had lost five and it's only halfway through the year. It's his job to figure out what the hell is going on. He could be seen coming out of his office with dark circles just dragging all the way to his chin. When he wasn't working with patients, he spent every single second in his office trying to figure out what the connection was with all of these sudden infant deaths. It just didn't make sense. There was no connection. Baby and his heart stopped.

Baby Charlie stopped breathing. Baby Diana died of pneumonia complications. Baby Elliott had a bowel infection most likely from birth complications relating to the placenta. Baby Freddy's body was producing too much insulin, and baby Grace was given a 5% chance of survival at birth because of how premature she was. There's no connection. So it's not like, oh, the water is tainted, it's in the water, right? Dr. B felt like he was going crazy. And no, this is not like the silent killer of South Korea.

There would be no emails to figure out what kind of mysterious illness was sweeping the nation. It was just going on inside of Chester Hospital. 한국에 대한 are being fed a certain formula, maybe it's in there. But there are other premature babies that had consumed the same formula, but they were fine. Then was it the air, the water? Hospital air filters are cleaned regularly up to standards and the hospital ran off city water. Initially, Dr. B never suspected a healthcare worker, let alone anyone from his team to be responsible. I mean, the very people that he works alongside to save lives, yeah, no, he's got faith in

his team. They were as devastated and as confused as he was and he could see it on their faces every day. Each day they came into work, they looked more exhausted, they looked more emotionally drained, they looked so upset. So he pulled up the shift chart to see which nurses or doctors he could talk to when the deaths occurred, just to get a better sense of what was going on. But that's not enough to say something that was just very chilling.

For every single shift where a baby died, collapsed or came close to dying, Lucy was on staff. She was there for every single one. There were some nurses that had been on shift for two, three, maybe four, even five, but Lucy had been there for every single one. There were some nurses that had been on shift for two, three, maybe four, even five, but Lucy had been there for every single one. She was the only one that had been there for every single one. And Dr. B started laughing. He's like, okay, I'm losing my mind. Okay, I need to go outside and touch grass because just because Lucy is on shift doesn't

mean she's in charge of those babies. He pulled up her charts. In fact, she was only in charge of one or two of the victims that died. Okay. You know, that, that makes sense, right? Each nurse has to take care of three or four babies at a time per shift. Lucy had other babies in other rooms, not just in the NICU and all the babies who died or who had close calls.

They were all in the NICU. So maybe it's not Lucy. Maybe it's still just the NICU. Some things going on there. He didn't want to say it though, but maybe there was a feeling that Lucy's not a serial killer, but maybe she's the curse. Because this happened soon after she was hired. Maybe she just had bad omens.

It's messed up when you think about it, to say that someone just carries bad luck with them, or comes into a new place and bad luck strikes because of them. It's mean. And since he knew Lucy's background, it felt even more mean spirited. Lucy had worked her whole life to be a nurse. She had these dreams and she was a freaking baby, okay? Nurses had saved her life when she herself was in the NICU. She wanted to be a nurse ever since she heard that story from her parents as a kid.

She studied like crazy, she got more qualifications than any other nurse in the NICU. She was the most qualified, even though she was one of the youngest nurses working. She would constantly spend her off days getting more qualifications. She was only 28. Her former Boston colleagues, they only had amazing things to say about her.

They all said, she's incredibly hardworking. Vanilla goody two shoes. That's how they describe her. But still, the deaths had absolutely nothing in common but Nurse Lucy. And Dr. B couldn't help but be suspicious now. He brought it up to his boss and by the time that his boss saw the email and replied to it, two more babies had already died The email response was not what dr. B was expecting basically they said you know

It's unfortunate, but it's all just a coincidence There's no proof of anything first of all Lucy has a great track record and all the babies had died of natural causes related to their birth and nothing else They were all premature and most had difficult or high risk pregnancies from the get go They were all premature and most had difficult or high risk pregnancies from the get go. Side note, a lot of people had problems with this response because it felt like the unit manager. So, Dr. B. Superior wasn't even trying to listen or figure out what was going on in the NICU. It seemed like they were just shutting down any ideas at all that Lucy was involved. So, you could argue, maybe they genuinely thought that Lucy was not involved. And this was all some sort of sick coincidence.

And they're trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Or two, people said, it's like, they don't wanna open Pandora's Box. Like imagine you're in this long dark hallway and at the very end is this door. And behind it, you hear all sorts of terrifying screams and grouse and scratching noises. When you open that door, there's no going back.

Whatever's behind that door is coming out and you don't know what it is. Maybe it's a monster, maybe it's a speaker playing monster noises, you don't know. So they're like, let's keep the door shut. Yeah. Let's never open this door, put a do not open sign on it. And you say two more people died in that process?

Yeah, two more babies. Yeah. I mean, I guess we'll never really know what the unit manager was thinking, but it is just a little weird. These are all just speculations. Now, the unit manager, more or less, told Dr. B that there was just no way that a nurse was involved in the uptick of infant deaths

in their hospital, especially, especially, not nurse Lucy. She's the most qualified nurse in the NICU, and she's the type that took her job so seriously. Maybe to the point where other nurses might want her to loosen up a bit. The unit manager said, look, Dr. B, I can personally vouch for Lucy.

She's a good nurse. There is no way that she's connected to all of this. Dr. B was like, yes, I respect your opinion, but of course, lives are being lost. So I'm going to go over you and request a meeting with a few of the hospital executives. He emails them and March. They don't even email him back to May. So for months, they don't really talk to him, but at least in May, he gets in front of them

and he tells them everything that he knows. So again, it sounds like he's the only one that cared. Yeah, him and a few of the other doctors, Dr. Jay and two more doctors. So four doctors from the unit cared, but he's the head of the neonatal unit. So he's doing a lot of the communications with the superiors and the executives. So he's laying it bare to them. Like these are my suspicions. These are why I have these suspicions.

Obviously, I don't have concrete proof, but like you can't tell me that things aren't weird, you can't tell me that we shouldn't at least get some sort of third party investigator involved. The conversation allegedly went something along the lines of, was she the charge nurse for all the instances, meaning was she the nurse in charge? No, a lot of the time she was in another unit, but she was on shift. But she was an assigned all the babies in every instance. No. And the manner of death was all natural? Yeah.

So it's a coincidence, then. It's unfortunate and it's tragic, but it's a coincidence. The executives recommended that he switch Lucy from the night shift to the day shift. All these instances had happened at night, so if it really was a coincidence, then changing Lucy's position should have no effect. So in late May, Lucy was switched to the day shift, and it just seemed like Dr. B wasn't the only one that suspected Nurse Lucy of something. They didn't know what yet, but they suspected her of something.

Like the other hospital staff, they started analyzing everything Lucy did, but they suspected her of something. Like the other hospital staff, they started analyzing everything Lucy did and they had been putting together these little pieces. Some of the nurses actually started whispering to each other, saying that Lucy was just a little bit too interested in NICU babies. She got popping into the NICU unit when she was assigned to other units. For example, Nurse Ellis was assigned to three to four babies one night in the NICU. She was on shift with Lucy, but Lucy was assigned three to four babies in another unit, so not the NICU. Lucy's babies were healthy babies, and they were in another place down the hall. She had no reason to be in the NICU that night, but while Nurse Ellis is

giving care to her babies, every time she would turn around, there was Nurse Lucy, cooling at the babies, checking their vitals, and at first, Ellis is trying to keep it polite, like, oh, sorry, is that baby yours? I thought I was assigned to that baby. I could be wrong, but let me go check my charts real quick. And then Lucy would be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, your bride, I was just stopping by,

because she's so cute! I'll get going now. But five minutes later, it would happen again. And Nurse Ellis would be at the computer updating the baby's chart, and when she turned around, So cute! I'll get going now. But five minutes later, it would happen again. And Nurse Ellis would be at the computer updating the baby's chart. And when she turned around, there was Lucy. Oh, hi again.

Something wrong, anything I can help you with? No, no, everything's OK. When it happened a third time, Nurse Ellis was very frank with her. She said, Lucy, this is my baby. Under my care, please go back to your section. Obviously, hindsight is 2020. I did see some people online arguing about whether these particular nurses should have known something was wrong. But like, really, I feel like I would be annoyed at my colleague,

but my immediate thought, and maybe I'm still just too naive, was, oh, God, she's so annoying. Yeah, it's, it's like to suspect that it's almost you have the darkest. Like there's something wrong with you almost. Yeah you think you see people in the probably the worst light possible. It's hard for a human to be a oh my god is she trying to kill people? Like that's just not yeah. Like to think oh yeah she out here scoping out potential murder victims in the NICU. Like most nurses were like there goes, there goes nurse Lucy. Is

this a superior is one of the doctors around is she trying to look good is she trying to undermine my position and act like I'm not good enough to take care of these NICU babies. And they would all say like must be so nice to be so young and have so much energy to do your job and everybody else's like that was kind of the energy. But then things started to change. So when she started popping in on stable babies, everything was fine, it's annoying, but it's fine. But then the nurse started seeing her near babies whose conditions would suddenly take a turn for the worst.

More and more stories like this, they start floating around the hospital staff. One person saw Lucy and a baby's room alone right before the baby's condition took a turn for the worse. Another staff member saw Lucy watching from the window while two parents cradled their deceased baby for the final time and they even had to ask Nurse Lucy to leave because the parents were feeling so unsettled and so uncomfortable in probably the worst moment of their life.

She was just hovering around them, watching them, like some sort of grief vampire. She's like soaking at it. She's not like smiling, OK? So again, it's not one of those instances where she's got this creepy Joker clown smile and everyone's like, oh my gosh, she's a killer. We're going to do something.

It's just like, she just seems to invest it. Please, have some read the room, social cues. Dunechi, we call it in Korean. In another instance, the nurse was taken aback when a baby was in distress and Lucy told them off when they attempted to assist. And the nurse said, I was shocked because I'm a nurse, you know? And I just know that you can't have enough help in these situations. I just never expected a nurse to tell me to back off,

basically. Then Lucy would pop in a check on babies that weren't her responsibility. And it was just generally a lot of crazy coincidences. When Lucy was on the night shift, these crazy coincidences happened during the night shift. When she was switched to the day shift, all of a sudden, they started happening during the day.

So everybody knew about the rumors. Even nurse Lucy. She was really upset about them, OK? of a sudden they started happening during the day. So everybody knew about the rumors. Even Nurse Lucy. She was really upset about them, okay? And she wasn't afraid to voice her disgust. She said she had been nothing but a great nurse since 2012 and it's been like three years and these random rumors are popping up out of nowhere. She told the other nurses, yeah, maybe I would understand if there was some sort of probable

cause, bigger, small, but the whole thing is based on coincidence, a coincidence that is the hospital's fault to begin with. You know, like, what do you mean the hospital's fault? Lucy would argue, they say I'm on shift for every single death. That's true. Lucy knows that's true. Everyone knows that's true, but Lucy argued because I'm literally always on shift.

To give you context, Lucy was a 28-year-old nurse who lives alone, no family, no boyfriend, not a lively, fun group or a crazy social life. She had given up her whole life to becoming a nurse, she argued. And because she doesn't have a ton of personal obligations like many of the other nurses that had kids or elderly parents to take care of, Lucy would inevitably end up picking up shifts. One of the nurses has to take her kids to a dentist appointment, Lucy would pick up her shift. Another nurse has to go to another city

to care for their elderly parents, Lucy would pick up her shift. Lucy pretty much just took every shift that she was asked for. And out of everyone in the hospital, she probably had the most shifts, yeah. Okay, fine, whatever, right? So she argued, I mean, if I'm always in the hospital, she probably had the most shifts. Yeah. Okay, fine, whatever, right? So she argued, I mean, if I'm always at the hospital,

then of course I'm always there when issues arrive because I'm always at the hospital. And now the hospital wants to use her as a scapegoat, she says, to cover up their own problems and shortcomings. For one, Lucy argued the hospital is so understaffed and underfunded. This statistic actually does, it does clear, it checks, right? And this stat really only applies to the infants in the NICU.

Not just babies or infants in general in hospitals, but when babies are in intensive care units, the staffing rate is much, much higher. So typically in the US, in places like the UK, it's one nurse per baby in NICU. Yeah, at most. At most, it's one nurse per two NICU babies. Lucy argued at their hospital, trust her hospital, they had each nurse take about three to four babies. So if a nurse is only able to give a baby a fourth of the time that they need, then there's a higher chance that a small problem will go unnoticed until it turns into a big problem that is too big to fix. To sum it up, she's saying the hospital was experiencing this abnormally high infant mortality rate because of their own lack of funding, their own lack of staff, and since Lucy was the only common

thread between all of them, they're blaming it on her. They're using her as a scapegoat to cover up the real institutional problems at fault here, and she's not going to take the fall for it. She's super frustrated because prior to all of this, she had a stellar reputation in her field. the real institutional problems at fault here and she's not going to take the fall for it. She was super frustrated because prior to all of this, she had a stellar reputation in her field. She worked non-stop. She took extra courses to get extra qualifications and certifications. She just wanted to gain more knowledge.

She took this seriously. And in the beginning, in the beginning, Lucy actually had quite a lot of people defending her. Her old friends from college that weren't working at Chester Hospital, so I'm not sure how much weight their opinions hold here. But her friends from college and all of her close colleagues, they all said, Lucy let me, is a vanilla goody to shoes, okay? She is so adverse to even breaking a tiny, tiny little rule.

If there is like a candy bowl that says, take one piece, she's not gonna take two. She's just not, that's not her, okay? I mean, she's the most vanilla girl we've ever met. She comes from a nice family with two loving parents who are still together, a stable household she wants to be a nurse, she's got blonde hair, blue eyes, a big smile.

She's just, I mean, her idea of going crazy is, like this is her idea of being unhinged. Sparkly eye shadow, and probably a shot or two of Tequila. So anytime she texted her friends or co-workers about any problems she was suddenly having at work, all of them were back in her up. They're comforting her. They told her, you know, we know that you would never do

something like this and they're just being idiots. They're just being douchebags. They're trying to find a scapegoat. It's not you, it's them. It's deplorable what they're doing to these hardworking nurses these days. And Dr. Crush was probably Lucy's biggest support system. This is a fake name, by the way.

I'm calling him Dr. Crush because it seems like Lucy and Dr. Crush had in my opinion Workplace crushes on each other to put it lightly. Yeah Really? Yeah, so from the get-go since baby Andy passed and baby Charlie passed Dr. Crush was like right there to support Lucy She would text him during or after her shifts to just talk about how stressful her life and her work has been. He was always very encouraging and he would support her. I'm going to read you some of their text and you tell me what kind of relationship you think it is because it's very pertinent to the

story later. Lucy text Dr. Krosch about how stressful work is and she texts him, we've lost two babies. Two babies I was caring for, and now this happened today. It makes me think, am I missing something? Am I even good enough? Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've worked the past three days, it's me. If anybody says anything to you about not being good enough or performing adequately, I want you to promise me

that you'll give my details to provide a statement. I don't care who it is, and I don't care if I have to leave the hospital. You promise? Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be needing a statement, but thank you. I promise. So, when they say statement, I don't think that they were referring to a police statement. Um, well, maybe not. I think that they're just referring to, referring to a charge against her license, like people accusing

her of medical neglect or malpractice. Right. So it's not like, oh my god, you're a serial killer. I'm going to give them my statement to defend you. It's more like, I don't think that you're in a position where you committed medical malpractice. And I can vouch for that. Do they work together or? Yeah, not as often, but they do cross paths, yes,

and they do work on certain patients together. And he said, you are one of the few nurses across the region, and I've pretty much worked everywhere that I would trust with my own children. She responds, I don't know what to say. Thank you. Then a little while later, Dr.. She responds, I don't know what to say. Thank you. Then a little while later, Dr. Crush texted her, am I right in thinking you've had six long shifts?

No wonder you're tired. Yeah, but it's my own fault. I have hypothyroidism, so I'm just tired all the time. Can you take your annual leave? Is there anything I can do to help cake, coffee? Thanks, but no. I do think that I'm gonna be going on a trip with my parents. This was right before another baby collapsed.

Baby Noah. Lucy was on shift for that. Which side note, Dr. Crush got off work and left for maybe about 15, 20 minutes before he calmed his back with a surprise for Lucy and his abogues of chocolates. He texts her after, oh Lucy, you poor little thing.

Have a cry, it'll make you feel better. You can take my car home if you're too tired. I'll arrange to get it in the morning. So sorry you've had a rubbish day. You really deserve a vacation after this horrible week. So that's exactly what she does. She goes on vacation to Ibiza. You said baby Noah?

Yeah. Holy, that's... Yeah. There were a few surviving babies, but what's crazy is it's not just baby A through Q. There's actually a lot of parents who nurse Lucy was assigned to their baby and thankfully their baby wasn't in the NICU, but they still had some sort of health problems while they were at Chester. So, we really don't know how, just how many. Anyway, she went to a visa, she stayed there for two weeks, and the day that she got back

another baby entered into a critical condition. Baby Oliver was a perfectly healthy baby, but the day after Nurse Lucy got back on shift, he mysteriously and suddenly had a crisis. He was vomiting, his stomach was super swollen. His dad said he looked like ET and his veins were bright blue. After Oliver passed, Lucy texted her coworker. Oliver was doing just fine, but he got a huge tummy overnight and it ballooned.

There was nothing else that led to the collapse. I wish I was still on vacation. Then she texted with Dr. Crush some more about how sad she was and how hard her job was. Now this is what's so depressing. Oliver was actually one of the triplets, identical sons. So he had two other brothers, they were all in the naked. All of her past and less than 24 hours later, his brother Peter passed away. And I'm just like thinking of the trauma of the parents, okay? So Nurse Lucy was in the room, even though she wasn't supposed to be looking after Peter.

And it's weird, isn't it? Like when you really sit down and you think about it, it makes you want to raise your eyebrows at Lucy. Look, I imagine in the beginning, almost every single nurse was on Nurse Lucy's side, because that's terrifying being a nurse. You've worked your ass off. You feel this intense grief every time a patient passes. It's not a field for the week. You're overstaffed.

You're underfunded. And now one of your own is being accused of being so negligent to the point of causing deaths in infants or going out of their way to kill infants. Every nurse probably had nurse Lucy's back in the beginning. Because it's the feeling of if that could happen to her, it could happen to me. every nurse probably had nurse Lucy's back in the beginning. Because it's the feeling of, if that could happen to her,

it could happen to me, I could just be accused. But one by one, the nurses had to ask themselves, is nurse Lucy really innocent? There was a really creepy instance, okay? So I'm gonna bring it back to baby Diana. Baby Diana was in the NICU when her condition suddenly worsened and she passed. It was devastating for Diana's mom in

every way possible. She had gone through 60 hours of labor and now baby Diana was gone. They were spending their last moment with Diana to say their goodbyes and this is the part that's so unsettling. Nurse Lucy wasn't even in charge of baby Diana but she

was hovering around the parents as they said goodbye, asking them constantly, do you need any water? Do you need anything, do you need this? They just wanted some time alone. And she was just hovering. It was to the point where Diana's parents took the nurse that was actually in charge of Diana

and said, can you please tell that nurse over there to leave us alone? That nurse talked to Lucy about it, but it was just one of those things where she couldn't stop thinking about everything else that had happened. Like leave us alone. That nurse talked to Lucy about it, but it was just one of those things where she couldn't stop thinking about everything else that had happened. And it just felt unsettling. So she told her few of the other nurses about what happened.

And one of the co-workers was like, oh my god, the same thing happened to baby Charlie. When baby Charlie was in critical condition, doctors knew that there was nothing more that they could do. Parents requested life-saving attempts to be stopped so that they could spend a little bit of time with Charlie, have him baptized by the hospital priest, and spend time with him, right?

Well, Lucy went in with a ventilated box, basically a box, like a coffin, if you will. Didn't look like a coffin, but it's essentially a coffin. And asked if they wanted to put baby Charlie in there. While they're spending time, like like everyone else was under the impression when they're ready, they'll let us know they're ready. But she barges in there and is like, do you want to put the baby in here? The parents were horrified.

Like this is so traumatic. Imagine you are dealing with so much trauma, though, so much emotion. You're spending your last moments alone. Your baby is technically still alive. Your baby will die, but right at this moment, they're still alive and a nurse comes in with basically a box. And it's like, you want to put your baby in here? For what reasons?

Like storage, like what? No one knows. It just felt really unsettling. Like it didn't feel helpful. It felt weird So they talked to their nurse and that nurse had to talk to Lucy and Lucy didn't think so, okay She didn't think she was being weird. She texted her coworker. I was just trying to be considerate. Why do things like this always happen to me? So now the other nurses they're getting fed up with all these little weird moments and one of them things You know what? I'm just gonna freaking text her, I'm gonna text Lucy, see her thoughts on the matter. So she

text, hey Lucy, there's something odd about that night and the other three infants that went so suddenly. And Lucy goes, what do you mean odd? We lost three and in different circumstances. I don't know, were they that different? Ignore me, I'm just speculating. I think that this is weird. And I don't know, maybe some people are just not as conspiracy theorist like I am, but I feel like if I was a nurse and these babies were dying, I would engage in this conversation.

I would say, yeah, why have there been so many babies that have been passing recently? Like you think that the hospital executives are missing something, like you think the doctors have done something, like what's going on you think? You're saying Lucy's response was really odd, right? She was just like, what do you mean odd?

They all died in different circumstances. Yeah. But I would be like, yeah, okay, not that you mentioned it, yeah, that's a lot. I don't know what's going on. Because every nurse feels different. So the way that Lucy responded, it just didn't sit well with the nurses.

And then it happened again. So baby Elliott had blood coming out of his nose and mouth. Doctors and nurses immediately rushed in and tried to give Elliott life-saving measures. But baby Elliott stopped moving, stopped crying. They couldn't bring him back. His mom, Elliott's mom, was in the room watching the entire thing. And nurse Lucy was one of the nurses that came in to help and tried and save Elliot. So after he's gone, most of the hospital staff, they shuffle out, not because they don't

want to be there, but they want to give Elliot's parents some time alone with Elliot. Lucy stays behind and offers to give Elliot a bath. His mom agreed since he had been bleeding, and I don't think the parents wanted to see him with blood on his body any longer. And Lucy brought out the tub, washed off Elliott's body and Elliott's mom said, Lucy let be bathed him in front of me in the neonatal unit.

After he was bathed, he was placed in a white gown and I just remember being so thankful because we had no clothes for him, because he was so little. But just like the twins from the beginning of today's case, Elliot's parents couldn't even go home to grief because Elliot's twin Freddie was also in the Naked You. In his heart rate was too high.

His blood sugar was way too low. How evil do you need to be after you kill one of them and you see what the parents are going through? And then you do that again. Yeah, that's why I'm saying she's like a grief vampire. and you see what the parents are going through, and then you do that again. Yeah, that's why I'm saying she's like a grief vampire. It's like she gets off on the grief. That's the only way in my head.

I can explain even the hovering around the parents as they grieve. It's like she's soaking in grief, and it's like energizing her or like, it's an addiction. It's just so sick. She's feeding off others' pain. Yeah, which is I really don't know what kind of person

that would have to be because most people are generally very uncomfortable when they are confronted with such strong grief. Either they feel that grief rub off on them and that makes them uncomfortable, or they don't know how to respond in a way that can help that person so it makes them uncomfortable. This is like just so against human nature.

So Lucy was taking care of Freddie's blood sugar levels when it happened. The doctors tried to give him sugar water to try and help. Lucy texted one of the other nurses on shift. Did you see what his blood sugar was? 1.8. Both nurses tried it for a while about how they hoped Freddie would get better.

And then Lucy said, I'm off soon. Would you give me an update later tonight on how Freddie's doing? So after work, Lucy would go to these salsa classes. And then she got a text. Oh, Freddie's more stable now. They're doing test to find out what happened. Good, no response.

Lucy text back three hours later. I wonder if it's like a different sort of problem like a hormone problem I hope they can get to the bottom of it. A lot of people think that this is her trying to come up with answers since her attempt at killing him didn't work Do we know how every baby go through? Yeah, so we do know it's See the part that gets tricky is I almost want to say allegedly and that's not me saying that this crime is up for debate or it didn't happen or Lucy's not the culprit. But I want to say allegedly because prosecutors can only

speculate how she did things based on the evidence, but since there were no eyewitnesses and no CCTV cameras, it's just one of those things, right? Prosecutors believe that she did it in some really sick and twisted ways. Sometimes she would, her favorite thing was to inject air bubbles into the babies. So, you know how when you get a shot, they make sure that there's no air in there, right? So in air bubble, like when you're talking about skin, it's fine usually, but when you're going into the vein, into like the blood stream,

air is absolutely not okay. Air bubbles in adults, full grown adults can kill them because that air bubble doesn't just disappear somewhere. It stays there and if it blocks blood from going into your heart or to your brain, you could have a stroke, you could die and just think about how tiny the blood vessels for these infants are. They're not even like four pounds. So air bubbles, they can kill adult beings. Think of what they can do to a newborn baby. Then if sometimes she didn't feel like doing that, she would inject air into their stomachs via their feeding tubes and it would cause their stomachs to balloon and that's why one of the fathers said he looked like ET. And that can really crush like their diaphragm and all these other things so that they can't breathe.

There was evidence of physical assault. In some cases, they believed that she would take medical instruments and or tools. She would take the feeding tube and jam the feeding tube directly into the throats of the babies, and that's why some of them were bleeding from the nose and the mouth. One of the babies had liver damage that was so intense that doctor said they only saw that type of liver damage in children who had been in very bad car

accidents. Sometimes she would just add a ton of insulin to their feeding tubes as well, killing them. And it does seem like sometimes she would just literally take out their breathing tubes. Wow, I just, it almost sounds like she's like trying whatever she can think of on these babies. Yeah. And then I imagine sometimes if someone survives, she probably will try something else on the next baby. Yeah. And like, okay, I really don't like to relate cases to my personal life because I feel like there's nothing in my personal life where I've dealt with that has, can any shape-wear

form compared to the grief that a lot of these victims and their families have felt. But we recently went through something with my sister where my niece was in the PICU. She coded multiple times, her heart stopped multiple times. So like the trauma that that has left on our family, especially my sister and her husband, even now tiny little things trigger her trauma and to see my sister in that level of pain and me as survived, thankfully, so it's just like I can't even begin to amount how raw and visceral this pain must feel for the parents.

Thankfully, Freddie survived, and the doctors, they chalked it up to an imbalance in insulin and his body. Weeks later, Dr. B would find out the truth. He would be in his office again looking over paperwork when he found something interesting. Baby Freddy's insulin levels were high, but his CPEPTide levels were not high. So think of insulin and CPEPTide like a couple in a honeymoon stage. They don't go anywhere without each other. So if your body is producing too much insulin, then the CPEPTide levels are going to be very high as well. If the body is low on insulin, the CPEPTides are low.

It's just naturally like that. But Fretty CPEPTides did not match his insulin levels, which means that his body is not creating excess insulin. So were you catching my drift? That means the insulin must have come from an outside source. Then Dr. B looked at who was in charge of Freddy's last feedings and he only saw two people in charge or two shifts that were in charge of his feedings. Nurse Lucy was the one that gave him his feedings both times. Yeah. So his very strong scientific belief was someone put insulin inside of baby Freddy's feeding bag.

Every other nurse said that they didn't do that. Lucy denied it too, but just with all these other coincidences, it's not looking good. And then remember the triplets were Oliver and then his brother Peter died. Before Peter passed, he was in critical condition and another nurse remember checking up on Peter and Lucy set out of nowhere. He's not gonna make it out here alive, is he? If you know anything about nurses, they never say stuff like that. It's such a dirty, dirty feeling like, why jinx a life, especially an infant life, out of all things.

That's why there's a superstition that they don't even say it's a slow night, isn't it? Because that means all hell is about to break loose in the hospital, and usually all hell breaks loose means someone might die. So the nurse scolded Lucy because at this point Peter had been stable for like a second, okay? I mean, he's not doing great, but he was kind of getting stable and she said,

what are you saying? Don't say that. But then a couple hours later, his abdomen swelled again and he got this purplish rash that looked like spider web veins all over his body and it wasn't responding to life-saving measures. And it wasn't until after Peter's death, the nurse felt her hair kind of stand up on the back of her neck and she just had these goose bumps and it was like deja vu. She remembered just a year ago when baby Charlie wasn't doing well.

He was stable but he wasn't doing well. Nurse Lucy was helping monitor Charlie and she looked over at this nurse and said, I don't think he's going to make it out alive. And she remembered how gross it made her feel because like, again, why would you jinx that? But then she also remembered so vividly how Charlie would not make it out alive. And now neither would Baby Peter. And now whenever smiling, happy Lucy walked by, all the nurse could see was just this thick black cloud,

like a bad omen. But Lucy would be busy texting our colleagues. I keep thinking of them in the cot together, all over Peter. They were together, yeah, at one point. So peaceful yet beyond words for how awful it is, so sad. The family all thanked me when I took baby Peter and dressed him. Two of the three triplets died and Dr. B was going insane. The hospital executive still refused to believe that a nurse could be involved. Mainly, they were concerned that this rumor was false and Lucy was going to sue the hospital. I'm just going to give you an example about how big this

fear was for them. Dr. B sent an email to one of the executives after baby Peter died and he said, we still need to talk about Lucy. I believe we need help from outside agencies. At the moment, we're all under suspicion and the only agency who can investigate every single one of us, I believe, is the police. I think we should proactively seek their help. The executive was responded. Action is being taken, all email sees forthwith. Basically, don't be emailing that because this could come up in a lawsuit.

Don't be emailing Lucy's name because if she sues us, this could be discoverable in a lawsuit. But for doctors, Dr. B, the head of the neonatal unit, Dr. J, the one that walked in on Lucy acting busy, and two other doctors, they refused to back down. The hospital executives, they even try to put their own minds at ease by calling the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health. So this is in the UK hence the Royal College, right? Executives ask them, review the services that are being provided in the NICU unit. According to some nurses, Lucy seemed a little bit uneasy when they were investigating.

And they said that for whatever reason when anyone outside the hospital, even if they called like an ENT specialist for the babies, nurse Lucy would look around several times and just constantly ask, like, who are these people? Who are these people? It just seemed odd. So after the review, all of the documents were sent off to a specialist in London. And she said at least four of the infant deaths should be investigated by authorities. But the hospital still didn't do anything. They had another meeting in January of 2017 and just taking their sweet time. They said, the results show that the problems

in the neonatal units are issues that have to deal with leadership and timely intervention. AKA, we're not going to the cops about it. We would rather just stop accepting premature babies. That's what they say. Let's stop accepting premature babies. That's what they say. Let's stop accepting premature babies will still do labor and delivery, but no more premature babies and no more NICU for a while. They also moved Lucy to an administrative job in probably the worst department

that they could have put her in. The risk and patient safety office. It's like so ironic, no? Yeah. But at least she didn't have access to the babies anymore. OK. But it's just crazy how much the executives were worried about a lawsuit. At this point, you might imagine that Lucy

comes from the royal family themselves, and they all work for her. Because a few weeks after shutting down the NICU, the hospital CEO personally went to Lucy's father's house and apologized to Lucy and her father about the rumors and accusations she was facing. Wow, how ironic, dude, like this is, this is unbelievable. This is, yeah, he came back and advised the other board members of the hospital to apologize to Lucy as well. They even tried to

get the four doctors. They're called the gang of foreign these. Like the black mirror episode. Which one? Just like any. Oh yeah, yeah. The irony of this. Yeah, like they're more scared of a lawsuit than infant's dying. Yeah, meanwhile they're apologizing to a killer. Please, please. They try to get the four doctors to send an email to Lucy and they wanted it to read the increased mortality rate in the NICU unit has been a stressful time for all of us. And we understand that it has been exceptionally stressful for you. We would like to apologize for any inappropriate comments

that have been made during this difficult period. As you are aware, emotions run high. We are very sorry for the stress and upset that you have experienced this past year. Please be assured that patient safety is our top priority during this difficult time. The doctors were like, you can keep your letter and we're going to go to the authorities. Okay. So that's how Operation Hummingbird began. Um, Officer Jones sitting in his office at the police station and he's looking up at these two doctors sitting in front of him,

still in their white coats and they're fidgeting. They seem super nervous. The hospital isn't thrilled about us doing this and we don't want to make a big fuss, but we think a third party organization needs to handle this case. So the doctors are saying, basically, we want you to look into us too. Look into every single person in this unit because we don't know what's going on. We have our suspicions, but we need to stop this. Babies are dying. And he explains, you know, we usually lose maybe two to three babies a year.

Max probably four in the past history of our hospital, but this year alone we've lost seven, and many, many more had close calls. Okay, and how can we help you with that? They're like, we don't think that these deaths have been natural. There's a nurse that has worked every single shift that someone has died or had almost come close to dying. They're like, well, do you have proof? So they gather all of these medical documents and all the shift charts from the past year.

And they gave it all to the police. The investigation would take one year. They would have to pull medical records, shift charts. They would go to eyewitnesses, nurses, they talked to doctors, nurses, families, everyone. And finally, July 3rd of 2018, Lucy was arrested the first time. Should actually be arrested like three times. What?

Yeah, the whole idea was pretty anticlimactic. We do have some body cam footage, but I mean, Lucy looks vaguely confused. It's hard to say whether or not she's faking the confusion, but I thought the reaction was telling. Just like put your mind in that position for one second, okay? If there were cops at my door, and I know that there had been rumors about me killing babies, that is like one of the worst crimes to be a cute stuff, right?

Especially if my profession is saving babies. I would just feel the highest sense of injustice and they come knocking on my door. You better believe. I'm not fighting them. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I would be screaming and pleading with them. Like you don't understand. I would never like, I feel like there would be something inside me that's like the words would be flowing out. Like you don't understand like this is not what you think. You don't think so. Like that feels like the words would be flowing out like you don't understand like this is not what you think. You don't think so like that feels like more of a normal appropriate reaction.

Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, she's really chill. She looks kind of confused but she just like follows them. The only thing she really says is like, oh, I had knee surgery and I think she mentions it as a way to explain why she's moving slow into the patrol car. But that's really all she says. We do have some footage of what happened inside the interrogation room, but not all of that has been released to the public. It's very short what we have and the clip starts off with Lucy talking. She's got her hands in her lap and her elbows are hugged close to her body. She's not moving a lot. She's very calm. She's got her hands in her lap and her elbows are hugged close to her body. She's not moving a lot. She's very calm. She's not very defensive. She's not saying everything that her mind thinks of. She just says,

they told me that there had been a lot of deaths and that I've been linked to someone who was there for a lot of them. And again, I feel like my reaction would be, like, please, talk to everyone that's ever worked with me in the past. Like, I would never do this. Like, please, like to everyone that's ever worked with me in the past. Like, I would never do this. Like, please, you don't understand. Like, I'm on every single shift. Like, I feel like I would, I don't know, who knows? Maybe on the rest of the interrogation, I went like that, but this was just eerily calm for me. They asked, did you have any concerns

that there was a rise in the mortality rates? Yes. So tell me about that. What concerns did you have? I think we all just noticed as a team in general, the nursing staff that this was a rise compared to previous years. The police didn't get much out of Lucy during the interrogation, but they did have a warrant to search her home, and they found lots of crazy things in there.

So let's go over the craziest parts. We talked about the notes with Dr. Crush's name and hearts all over them. Yeah, that was alarming. The nursery, that was alarming. There was also some other notes that I'll go over in length. But one thing is Lucy still maintains this narrative to this day that she is innocent and that she was escaped for the hospital. So just keep that in the back of your mind while I tell you everything that they found in her home. Medical documents.

When authorities searched her home, they found multiple sheets of medical records for more than one baby that passed. This is super illegal. Nobody is allowed to take home patient records. Nobody is allowed to take home strictly, I mean, imagine all the violations. Just because you're my nurse, you can have all my medical documents hidden under your bed,

because that's where I was hidden. It was hidden under Lucy's bed. Yeah, like, I don't think so. I would be very uncomfortable if my doctor had my medical records under their bed or my nurse. Even if the patient is just a baby, even if the patient has passed, you can't just take home these records. Authorities believe that these were her trophies.

You know how serial killers bring something from the victim or the crime scene? Something to remember each kill by. They think that this was Lucy let be trophy stash. They said it was hidden under her bed. It was almost like a sacred place because even her banked documents weren't even under her bed. Things that most people would typically prioritize more than random scraps of papers from work. Because that's how she tries to claim. She's like, oh, I must have accidentally had them in my pocket and then brought them home and then never got rid of them. But she actually

moved houses in late 2015. So that means she also brought them to her new house and then forgot to throw them away. When she was confronted with that, she just said, oh, I just like to collect paper. Like I'm kind of a hoarder. It's not because I'm like looking up the family's on Facebook. Cause that's what she was doing. Wow. Holy. I don't know how she was able to try and even look, the investigators in the face and argue this,

but Lucy Letby looked up a lot of the parents of the baby's victims on Facebook. And this is the disturbing part. Okay, this is why I keep thinking of grief vampire while I'm researching this case. I just keep thinking of like this image of someone who gets off on people's grief. Like someone just standing at a funeral

like soaking in all this energy. She would do this around baby death anniversaries for these victims because parents will usually post like it's been one year without you. It's been two years It's a moment of grief and reflection and love and all these complicated emotions and During the holidays which is another moment for families to reflect and talk about these types of things She would look up the parents every so often on Facebook. And when I say every so often, that sounds like once or twice a year.

In one year, it was like 2,300 something times that she looked at parents of the victims. How many times? 2,300 something times. One year? In one year. There's 365 days. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like four times a day. Wow. I mean, she claims that she just remembers these patients and wanted to see how they're doing just because she's a caring nurse. But I don't know, two hundred, three thousand eighty times in a single year is just unhinged behavior in my very personal, non-professional, very free advice and opinion that is unhinged behavior. Yeah. That's not even the most damning thing found in her house. The notes. Lucy was an avid note-taker. She kept a diary a planner and she wrote a lot of

sticky notes and she never threw away any of it. Another slightly unsettling detail at least for me was that her diary was just super super meticulously organized. Like color coded with different colored asterisks. She had some sort of meaning behind every color, every different code was something. Authorities believe that the highlighted dates in her diary were significant events that were related to her crimes. The contents of her diary have not been released to the public, but her little notebook scraps, her journaling scraps, sticky notes, they were released, a few of them. Another unsettling thing, they're not that easy to read,

not in the sense that her handwriting was messy, but okay, so sometimes she writes left to right while she's writing, but then she'll go in and fill over the leftover spaces in between the words she's already written, or on top of like, you know how there's lines, she'll write in between the lines, a whole nother thought, sometimes she, or on top, like, you know how there's lines? She'll write in between the lines a whole nother thought. Sometimes she writes words on top of words,

so it's kind of difficult to pick up her whole coherent train of thought. But one sticky note that has made its rounds on the internet has been decoded, and it reads in full, I am evil, I did this. There are no words, I'm an awful person. I pay every day for that. I can't breathe, I can't focus.

Kill myself right now. Overwhelming fear, panic. I'll never have children or marry. I'll never know what it's like to have a family. No help. I've not done anything wrong. Police investigation, slander, discrimination, victimization, all too much.

All taking over my life, I feel very alone and scared. What is the future hold? How can I get through it? How will things ever be like they used to? I don't deserve to live. I did this. Why me? I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough for them. I'm a horrible evil person and don't deserve mom and dad. The world is better off without me." Lucy's attorneys argued that this was not a confession, that this was Lucy writing through her emotions about being accused of killing babies, and that it just her trauma. She's having a mental breakdown. The authorities

disagreed. An officer that searched her home said the amount of evidence we recovered from her home address was just not expected. Thousands and thousands of documents, many devices that led to downloads of half a million pages of information that we did not expect to find. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, worthy of mentioning. One was Never Greener by Ruth Jones. It's a novel about two people swept up in an adulterous affair. Dr. Crush vibes. Okay. The other one is In Shock by Dr. Raina Add-Oddish, a memoir of a doctor who suffered a hemorrhage when she was seven months pregnant and she lost her child. So I know, I did see some people speculate online, whether or not Lucy might have,

this is like pure speculation, and I don't know how to feel about it because I don't really like speculating on women's bodies and like, you know, their trauma, but people speculated that maybe she had a miscarriage or she had this nursery, and now she's like sick and twisted and wants to kill babies because she can't have this family. I don't know. I don't even like even if that makes sense to me, still not a good reason, you know?

Yeah. Like I, what I don't like about this speculation is that it might give some sympathy to Lucy, which I don't like. It makes her like a comic book villain. Right. Right. But it's like no, you're just villain. Sorry. So somehow Lucy gets off on bail. But in 2019, one year later, a full year later, she was re-arrested and has come in for more questioning. She somehow gets out on bail again. And she's re-arrested the third and final time November of 2020. She was now being charged with eight counts of murder, 10 counts of attempted murder. So how did she do it? Right. I talked about the

air bubbles that were injected into her veins or into her stomach. And that's where the rash came from. So all of the babies had this weird, bluish, purplish spider web rash on their bodies. So it's speculated by experts that those were the air bubbles. So we would trap the blood and then blood couldn't travel. Yeah. But Lucy would continue to argue that she didn't do any of that and she was just a scapegoat. The trial itself was emotionally draining for the victim's families. Lucy's attorney kept trying to delay the trial claiming that Lucy had trauma because of her arrest. It was, um, it's just rough for the

parents. Her attorney's claim that she had PTSD. So she was allowed to bring in a comfort blanket and a small stress toy to the trial. Which to me, don't get me wrong as someone who deals with a lot of anxiety and other mental health issues, okay? I'm like, yeah, I like a comfort blanket. I like a stress toy, right?

But imagine the, like who brings that to like a stress toy, right? But imagine the Like who brings that to trial first of all, okay? And then imagine the parents and how they feel their children never got to go home to the warm blankets that they have prepared for them The toys that they excitedly bought before giving birth. Yeah, they were probably the worst thing you can let her bring to the place in front of the parents. It's like, oh, I'm so weak and I'm like a child. She even looked at the jury and was like, Oh, I have PTSD from my arrest. So I get startled at anything. There would be like a pen dropping in the trial courtroom. And she'd be like, oh, and everyone's like, okay, what? And I'm not saying trauma like that doesn't exist. You often see that with veterans or people

who have witnessed some sort of gun violence typically is what you'll see that in. And I'm pretty noise sensitive too, and I have pretty strong reactions to like loud banging noises, but a pen dropping when you're in a courtroom, and there's so much other things going on. I don't know. I might look, but like it was weird. Everyone was like, it's just really not. It was gross.

Yeah. So the killer was just sitting there clutching a stress toy because she had PTSD from being arrested. Some of the most notable things to happen during the trial included Dr. Crush taking the stand and stating that he didn't believe Lucy was in love with him. Lucy also testified to say that she didn't love Dr. Crush and only ever saw him as a friend, which I don't even know if I've ever written my own husband's name with a heart next to it in a journal somewhere. Like, okay, but also to do it over and over and over again. Like, that's not even love. I don't know what that is. That'd be just creepy. The prosecutor's accused Lucy of killing all those babies to get Dr. Crush's attention. They said, Lucy put those babies in a crisis situation because he gave her something to talk to Dr. Crush about.

I don't know. I feel like it's like way more than that. Like the way that she looked up while the victim families, you know, just the thing she does, like even writing letter to the family, getting their fingerprints and footprints, like she's doing more to get some reaction out of them. You know? Yeah, it's like, I feel like there's multiple things wrong with her. So on one hand, she gets off on grief.

On the other hand, she wants people to almost baby her. I think you're thinking for doing this. Oh, thank you so much for this. Even the whole comfort blanket, it's like she wants people to baby her in a way. It's weird. Or do you think even like those things that she does is also just to bring more reaction out of the person? Here's a footprint. Like crime more. Yes, you see them like get more sad receiving that. Even the comfort blanket that would have a reaction

of the person. Maybe the letter is same thing. It's like bring them into that state of the mind. She was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of early release. The judge said that Lucy was especially cruel because she was the person that was supposed to take care of these babies. Some of these babies were only a day or a few days old and it just takes a special type

of person to hurt someone like that. Lucy did not even show up to sentencing. She skipped it. Like she's just casually skipping class. Okay, the victim's family's found it incredibly disrespectful. It felt extra gross. It's like, oh, if I show up to the trial, I can try to get the jury on my side,

but they've already decided so no point. I didn't know you could skip that. Well, she had to go to the courthouse, but she was kept in the, like, the little prison jail holdings that they have down there. So she's like, I don't wanna go. Yeah, because her sentencing is gonna be her sentencing. It's not like, because she skips it,

it's not gonna happen, it's just gonna happen without her. But the fact that she didn't go is just so gross. It's like she doesn't need to try and show up unless it helps her. Unfortunately, the one question that the trial didn't adequately answer, at least in a lot of people's opinions was, why the hell did she do it?

The prosecutors argued that she did it for Dr. Crush's attention. But I feel like, again, there's so much more to it. I think that's why this case went as viral as it did. I think everyone was sort of waiting for some sort of motive so we could wrap our heads around it. But that didn't even come during the trial. Some argue that it was Munchausen by proxy. She wanted babies to die so she could text her co-workers and friends about how hard her life has been. She wanted sympathy, attention, and praise from everyone around her.

That could explain why she often texted her friends and co-workers about how bad her shift was going. But a lot of experts theorized that if that was her ultimate goal, she would have done a bit more, they think, like she would have pretended to save the babies and be hailed as some sort of hero Or push them to the brink of dying and then quote bring them back so to speak so that she could receive some sort of praise and admiration Others think she did it specifically just to get Dr. Crush's attention and somehow Use these traumatic experiences as a way to bond herself closer to him so that

maybe he could leave his wife. Maybe it was a shared experience that he didn't have with his wife. Other speculate that she just wanted infants to suffer. There was evidence that she used tools to jam it into their throats to make them bleed like that to me is just so graphic. So maybe it's the pain aspect that she wanted and she's just a sadistic killer. Some argue that she is the angel of death, which is a type of serial killer who is usually employed as a medical practitioner or caregiver that intentionally kills people under their care. So the angel of death typically

starts off by believing they're doing a favor for the patient by killing them because now they no longer have to feel pain or suffering. They act like they think that. I don't think deep down they think that. But usually this escalates to them just killing people with like common colds. And like reasonably healthy and easily treatable patients, they'll just kill them.

Even the angel of death type can be divided into three subgroups. You've got the mercy killer. These are the ones that like to live in this Even the angel of death type can be divided into three subgroups. You've got the mercy killer. These are the ones that like to live in this self-praising delusional land where they think that they're helping the sick patients. But it's like, no, they have the flu.

You didn't need to kill them, right? But they like to convince themselves. Then you have the hero of death types, where the killer will endanger someone's life to save them. Usually, the victim doesn't even end up surviving, but everyone around them looks at them like, wow, you really gave it your all. You really cared.

Then lastly, you just have the sadistic ones. The ones who exert power over helpless victims, and it seems like Lucy fits best in this latter category. I mean, her text messages make me also kind of lean towards the wannabe hero, but she just didn't do enough as a healthcare professional. And I think that she knew that. Like even Dr. J was like she looks like she's acting busy. An expert said she committed her crimes quietly. She wasn't playing some heroin. She didn't go out of her way to provoke any attention, which is interesting. Some killers enjoy killing. They like playing God. They get a kick and a pleasure out of it. She causes harm and purely just

gets pleasure out of it. Yeah, that's what I think too. Like this is my little thought as I'm listening is I feel like she has zero care for these babies, she doesn't even see them as humans or she doesn't care about them. I think her goal is not even killing, her goal is to see other people suffer. So the parents and everyone else suffering and the kids are the collateral of her trying to get see other people in pain. So she goes for the twins, she goes for the moms again and again and again. Yes, okay, the twins thing I was thinking like,

I thought it was so interesting that there were a lot of twins in today's case. I thought originally maybe the doctors could sum it up as some sort of genetic condition. So instead of like two separate babies from two different families, if they're from the same family, maybe it's genetics, right? But as you're saying that, I'm like,

oh, because after losing one baby to lose another baby, it's probably a different level of grief from just losing one child, not to compare, it's not a comparison game, but it's like a further enhancement of that grief that maybe she wants to see. Yeah, she just saw that. She just saw this mom breaking down.

And now she's trying to do it again like That's what she's feeding off on like from what I'm hearing like that's so so so so so sick and the kids are just collateral for her to get there Yeah, like you know like we talk about serial killers. There's even killer years later. They feel regret, right? They're like, oh, this is consuming them Yeah, like this feeling is consuming them like she I don't even think that crosses her mind. No about what she does She's just thinking about like the families what they're doing and then she wants more of that She's not feeling regret she wants more other people trying to block it out, but she wants more and she's hunting them down on Facebook

Yeah but she wants more. And she's hunting them down on Facebook. Yeah. Yeah, it's, and I think also to go after parents, because you always hear like losing a child is a very unique type of grief nobody will understand. To go after that strong of a grief. Yeah, and it's just really twisted when you think about how she was a baby and the NICU at one point. Like she was in that position,

but instead of a serial killer nurse, she actually had a nurse that did their job and probably cared for her, and really put in a ton of energy to make sure that she would stay alive. And that's the only reason that she's alive. So for her to turn around and now kill babies in the NICU, it's so demented.

So as of right now, Lucy's parents firmly believed that she's still being framed by the hospital. At one point, Lucy's mom was so upset she offered herself up as tribute and she said, no, this can't be right, I did it, take me instead. Which, yeah, yeah. You'd be surprised there's actually a couple more people that defend Lucy. She's got quite a bit of supporters. Most of them are her old friends who knew her and one former friend said, unless Lucy turned around and said,

I'm guilty, I will never believe that she's guilty. She is kind, gentle, and soft, and I can speak for my whole friend group that we just know that she couldn't have done anything she's accused of. So without a doubt, we stand by her. I grew up with Lucy, and not a single thing that I've ever seen or witnessed about Lucy would let me to believe that she was capable of something like this. I don't know, maybe they got swept up in Lucy's arguments about how she was the scapegoat.

I have to admit, some parts of her arguments, I was like, okay, yeah, I could see that, maybe not in this case, but I could see it. But how can you argue the hospital's mortality rates after Lucy was fired? Before Baby Anthony died, the infant mortality rate at Chester was in line with the national average. Then it spiked to seven a year when Lucy was working there. The infant

mortality rate after she was fired and arrested went back to one per one thousand births. As of right now, Lucy is looking for a retrial and even if that happens, it'll probably take another year or so. So we'll just have to keep an eye out for that. For more information that comes out. But baby Charlie's mother said, I will always remember the overwhelming wave of emotion that I felt when I first held Charlie. I understood right then and there the bond and immediate love between a mother and their baby. The way he smelled the feel of his fine hair on my chin, my tiny feisty boy, my firstborn, my son. The trauma of that night will live with us until the day we die. Knowing that his murder was watching us throughout these traumatic hours is something out of a horror story. I blamed myself entirely for his

death. I still live with the guilt that I couldn't protect him in pregnancy or in his short life. And in my darkest moments, I would open up Charlie's memory box and I would smell his familiar smell and I would touch his hand print. His hand and footprints were made into a pendant and I wore them around my neck. It made me feel closer to him. When Lucy Leppy was first arrested,

I felt like the first few moments, memories I had of my son were tainted. She had taken those footprints. I felt so conflicted, I stopped wearing my necklace. But now that we know as much about my child's death as I believe we will ever know, I feel I'm able to wear his hand and footprints again for the first time in five years. I now know that they represent the love that I have for my son and I will not allow evil to taint that. And that is the story of Lucy Letby, the recent case of a nurse turns your own killer. What are your thoughts? And please stay safe. I will see you guys on Wednesday

for the main episode. Bye. Bye!