Rotten Mango - #298: Daughter of Diplomat Found Beheaded In Nepo Baby’s Mansion

Episode Date: September 24, 2023

The team of therapists was making their way over to the mansion. They never really did house calls, but when one of the most powerful business tycoons in the entire city calls you - you pick up. They ...were going to talk to the businessman’s son to see how they could help him. Once they arrived at the house, they realized it was much more serious than they originally thought. They would have to break in to get to their patient. After climbing through an upstairs window, the 6 therapists stepped foot into a crime scene. Blood everywhere. On the floor was the wealthy son’s ex-girlfriend. Her body lay in a pool of blood. Her head was detached and 3 feet away from the rest of her. Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Dr. Teh here is a therapist that normally doesn't do house calls. But when you get a call from a wealthy business tycoon that holds a ton of influence and power in the area, you're gonna go. He didn't even just go alone, okay? Dr Teh here brought five of his other employees from his clinic. The call was for the rich business tycoon's son, who was holed up in the mansion and going through something. It was very vague.
Starting point is 00:00:28 The business tycoon was on vacation. He didn't give the therapist much to go off of. So when the team, the squad, really, of therapists, they get to the home, they find out that the son is unwilling to let them in. So they wait outside for like 30 minutes. Before the dad calls back and is like, you know what, I've got a ladder in the shed just break into the house. I'm not sure what they were expecting. Maybe they were expecting the patient to be on
Starting point is 00:00:54 the ground, refusing to leave the house. Maybe they're having a panic attack. I really don't know. Maybe they're having a psychotic episode. That's not what they got. When all six of them entered the home, the son ran up to them, knife in hand and jammed it up the chin of one of the employees. The knife went through the therapist, chin, jaw, mouth, and pierced his tongue. So upwards. He pulled the knife out, blood squirted everywhere, and the other therapists, they're like, okay, now we're going to fight for our lives to make sure that this patient is subdued. They're grabbing blankets tying him up. It's taking forever to just get this man under control. He's got a gun. He's got a knife. He's got all these other weapons.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Finally when they get him on the ground tied up. That's when they saw the body of a young woman, a diplomat's daughter, tortured, and murdered. Her body was laying in a pool of blood, and her head was found detached three feet away from her body. The patient would later state, what? She wanted to be sacrificed. As always, Fulshanotes are available at rottenminglepodcast.com. This case does take place in Pakistan and we had multiple
Starting point is 00:02:11 or do speaking researchers help assist in gathering of the facts. There's a few points in the story where it's more speculative than factual because there were no eyewitnesses present during these key moments. So I'm going to try and present all the possible scenarios and you can make up your mind on which you believe occurred. The Jaffer family in Pakistan could be on their own episode of succession, really. Mr. Jaffer was an influential, wealthy business tycoon. His company specialized in massive construction projects and it said that he had big military contracts,
Starting point is 00:02:45 which anyone who's doing contracts with a military automatically, I'm like, these people are richer than beyond belief. He lived in this modern, guard gated house with his wife and his two sons. They even had a whole staff to manage the home, housekeepers, gardeners, kitchen staff, security staff. I really have no idea how deep their money runs. I can't find a net worth anywhere, but they do kind of give off that new money vibes. And I don't mean that in like a harsh, weird,
Starting point is 00:03:16 derogatory way, but in the sense that, you know, they love to throw a good, high society party. So during the weekdays, the family would focus on business. Everyone kind of did their own thing. Mr. Jaffer was always on business trips doing big deals. Meanwhile, his two sons, they're living complete opposite lives. Okay, so on the weekends, they would throw these lavish dinner parties. Staff would be carrying in these giant vases of fresh flowers. The kitchen would be busy with teams of chefs crafting out the most elaborate seasonal recipes. And one by one, these rich families would just trail into the mansion.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Some of them are old-money families, some of them are new-money, respectable, influential families, and oftentimes they would bring their kids with them to introduce, to a mingle amongst each other while the parents, I don't know, talk business. So these kids, they are true socialites. Most of them had gone abroad for schooling, whether it be in the US or Europe, they were all well-traveled, well-spoken and very well-funded. And I'm sure, naturally, it becomes this unspoken competition amongst the parents, whose kid just got accepted into that prestigious university abroad. Oh, whose kid just snowboarded with a celebrity in Switzerland?
Starting point is 00:04:35 Whose kid is the most well-read? The jobpers had two sons, but you would really only hear them talking about one. Zahir, crown jewel of the family. Even though he was the first born into the family of business tycoons, he wanted to study psychology. That's what intrigued him. He wanted to help people. So he gets his certification to be a counselor at a high-profile mental health organization called Therapy Works. He gave lectures and conducted counseling sessions for students in Pakistan.
Starting point is 00:05:04 He held these mental health awareness sessions in well-known schools. I believe he even tried his hand on one-on-one counseling. But he still made time to work with his family. Whatever they needed him, he was the chief brand strategist at his dad's company at one point. He was born in the US, grew up in Pakistan. Before he started studying abroad, he was fluent in English and in Urdu. And he was the golden son, the golden child. So whenever the jaffers boasted about their child's accomplishments, it was this son.
Starting point is 00:05:36 The other one was kind of like the black sheep of the family. They tucked him away, closed the door, and he was the family secret. They never talked about him in public. It's like he didn't even exist. They honestly couldn't even comprehend how he was part of their picture perfect family. He was admitted into a psych ward in his late teens early 20s. Diagnosed with schizophrenia, which yes is a very serious life-altering diagnosis, but it's something that can be treated. I mean, we've seen so many people time and time again get treated for something like this and live very healthy, productive lives. But when he was sent to therapy, nothing was working.
Starting point is 00:06:13 And it wasn't even his mental health that was the problem. It was because he was addicted to... So, of course, nothing that therapists could do could really make a dent on his progress if he was addicted to it was reported that he would allegedly have induced psychosis while studying abroad at one point he was even deported out of the United Kingdom for assaulting his own mother and potentially being involved in some harassment and essay cases in the UK so yeah the droffers never really talked about him. They only talked about perfect
Starting point is 00:06:47 Zahir, who's now in his mid to late 20s. So he's like 27ish and he should start thinking about settling down. That's what they're thinking. You know, the parents started using these high society gatherings almost as a way to see if there was anyone that they could pair with their air. Nor was one of the most respected, quote, kids at these dinner parties. She is the daughter of a former Pakistan diplomat. Her father was not just a very well-known, but also a very well-respected person in the political realm, which is pretty difficult to accomplish. And like all the socialite kids that would be invited to these parties, Nore was also
Starting point is 00:07:28 very well-traveled. She lived most of her childhood in Ireland, she had an Irish accent, she went to school all over the world, even in South Korea. She was actually admitted into O.I. University, which is one of the most prestigious colleges in South Korea. She studied in the US just to name a few. She intended just, I mean, she loved studying. It's kind of weird, but she just, it's not that she loved the active studying. It's not even like that she loved grades. She was
Starting point is 00:07:54 very interesting in the sense that she liked to acquire knowledge. She was genuinely passionate about learning new things. On top of that, she's a human rights activist, always attending local marches rallies very vocal for the causes that she believed in. So if we're talking about on-paper stats, nor is as perfect as it gets. Educated, religious, activist, conventionally beautiful, kind-hearted family-oriented, studious, the daughter of a diplomat, you know, and she could even bake on top of that. So it would make sense that the here would feel like, oh, you know, and she could even bake on top of that. So it would make sense that Zahir would feel like, oh, you know what, I think Noir would
Starting point is 00:08:30 be a great match for me. Zahir's parents seem to agree. This would be the perfect wife for their heir. They meet at one of these dinner parties, and it's pretty unclear when exactly they started dating or even getting to know each other, but sources state state that Zheheret struck up a friendship with Nor first. They become friendly and they officially become a couple in 2018. They had that typical YA novel love story. Yeah. Zheheret was like this rich, shy, kind of reserved person, but people said that Nor would bring out his spontaneous and fun side. And they're like, wow, the here actually cracks jokes.
Starting point is 00:09:07 This is my first time hearing it. It's so interesting. Nora was also someone that didn't really care for money. I mean, she understood the value of hard work behind money. She wasn't one of those people that was like, oh, money doesn't buy happiness. No, she understood, but she just wasn't the type to spend a ton of money on material goods. And everyone could see why the here was Obsessed with nor she was she was a little different
Starting point is 00:09:30 I don't want to say different because it makes it sound like she's a pick me and she's not a pick me She's actually a girls girl. She had a girl gang. That's the thing called it I mean her best friends all of her friends were girls and she would do anything for them But she was just very interesting. The way that everyone describes her is very passionate about everything. Like it's hard to keep up with her. You know, there's a few topics that I know a lot about, or I think I'd like to talk about, right? No, I love talking about everything.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I mean, she would come up to you bubbling with excitement to talk about the history of different countries flags and the meaning behind each color of countries that aren't even on the same continent, and then turn around and just excitedly talk to you about how she discovered the perfect oven temperature for softy at crunchy macaroon. And you're like, okay, this is a very multifaceted person.
Starting point is 00:10:24 She had a lot of niche interests, which I think is incredibly charismatic. And Norwood do this thing and it was kind of a running joke between everyone. She would go to the store every single week and buy of these Nando's parrhybites. They're like snacks. I imagine they're like chips. They've got a little kick to them, little like, time it spicy. She get so excited sit down pop open the bag take a bite and Excitedly say oh my gosh too spicy But then I hand would be right back in the bag grabbing another one and this would happen every single week Every time she went to the store and all of her friends are like just stop eating the snack
Starting point is 00:10:58 But she loved it and everyone loved watching her eat the snack because it's the same reaction every single time. And so yeah, the here is completely utterly infatuated with her during the initial stages of their relationship. I'm pretty sure it was mutual, nor fell pretty hard for the here as well. And it's speculated that the jawfers were really happy about the two dating, nor was really a good catch for it to sit here. They just hoped that she would never meet their other son. Zahir did a pretty good job keeping that, that side of him away from dinner parties,
Starting point is 00:11:36 but how long could he really hide it? Zahir's jaffer was the only son and heir to the jaffer family fortune. He doesn't have a brother. He is a complicated person. The here was diagnosed with schizophrenia and while being treated, he earned his counseling certifications. He went from being a patient to a therapist at therapy works.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah. So he did all of that. All of that. He was. being a patient to a therapist at therapy works. Yeah, so he did all of that. All of that. He was. On the outside, he's like a perfect son. The good son, the golden child, everyone's like, wow, how do we get a son like the here? Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:15 On the outside, he's reserved polite, treated those around him with the utmost respect, but he also occasionally assaulted his mom. He only ever spoke highly of women in public, but he also messaged female acquaintances things like, I will titty fuck you till I slice off your breasts and nipples. He would call female acquaintances, faces, and bimbaudic hoes. To who?
Starting point is 00:12:43 Like his childhood acquaintances. Girls that he grew up with. And they would lose touch. Yes, they would lose touch. And then they might be Facebook messaging. And he's like, oh, when are you coming to town? And then he would just bombard them with these crazy messages.
Starting point is 00:12:59 And obviously, these women did not respond kindly to his messages, because why would they? He would throw slurs at them. He would ask them if they liked performing services on male private parts. It was just really bad. But Nor did it see any of this. She did not see this side of the here until it was too late. There's actually a video of them that has since gone viral. They're dancing together at a friend's wedding and they honestly look like the perfect type of couple, like the type of couple that people would be jealous about. The wedding itself is lavish, it's grand, and you can tell that
Starting point is 00:13:34 these kids that are having fun are part of influential, wealthy, affluent families. It feels perfect, it feels like one of those romance novels. They look like they're in love. Soon after, the here would be head-nor. The here had a one-way ticket to New York City at 3.50am. So he was going to leave. He was like, bye Pakistan. I'm going back to the US. So while the rest of the city slept, he would be getting on a plane, getting ready to start this new chapter of his life. But he's thinking, is that really what I want? It's kind of bittersweet.
Starting point is 00:14:09 I'm sure a part of him was excited and then another part of him is like, what about this life I'm leaving behind? So he picked up his phone and he called the person that he wanted to see most before leaving. July 18th of 2021, Nora was very busy. She's prepping for Eid al-Feeder, which is a Muslim holiday, and she is spending time with her mom helping her prep food in the kitchen, and she gets this phone call, she excuses herself. It was here. They hadn't spoken in six months since their breakup.
Starting point is 00:14:43 They've been pretty no contact, So after three years of dating, they broke up and she's randomly getting a call at like 9 p.m. It was pretty rough for Nore at the breakup, but she knew she was making the right choice. Her friends kept reassuring her, you know, we always thought that he was a little too controlling. At first, he was so sweet, but I don't know. He just gives me bad vibes. To give you some context, both Nore and Zahir are Muslim, but Nore was a lot more devoted to her faith than Zahir, and it became a problem when Zahir would... Okay, so it was speculated that Zahir was the one
Starting point is 00:15:17 that encouraged her and if not demanded that she stop wearing her burka. Eventually, Nore would break up with him, and now six months later, he's calling out of the blue and she doesn't her berk. Eventually, Nora would break up with him. And now six months later, he's calling out of the blue and she doesn't know what for. She picks up the phone and he tells her that he's leaving for the US tonight in about seven hours to be exact. He would be on a flight to New York City. It's a one way ticket. He doesn't know when he's going to be back. So this is at around like nine p.m. technically a slight is the next day at around 3 30 in the morning. And you ask sir, is there any way, any way at all that we
Starting point is 00:15:52 can just say goodbye one last time for closure. I mean, we did date for three years. I just want to see your face one last time. One fine will goodbye. Nor agree to meet up with him, but to avoid ruining such special holidays with her parents, she just told them, I'm going to briefly go visit a friend, okay, and I'll be right back. She knew that if she told them that she was going to go say goodbye does it here? It would be this whole conversation. Her parents would say, absolutely not. So she's like, okay, let me just, let me just go. She goes to meet up with him at a local plaza. She leaves the house at about 9.05 pm, gets to the plaza like 40-ish minutes later, and she texts him, where are you?
Starting point is 00:16:30 I'm not sure what excuse he made, but he requests that she come to his house instead to stay goodbye. Maybe he was like, oh, I'm not done packing yet, I'm so busy, right? My flight's in a few hours. Nor has it hated, but she's very familiar with the here's home. I mean, she knew that it was never empty either. I mean, but also when you're meeting your ex-boyfriend that you dated for three years, that's not really a concern of yours. But let's say it was, his home is never empty.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Even when there is no dinner party, even when there's no crazy socialite gathering, there's almost always two to three home staff on site, a guard, a chef, some housekeeper of sorts. So by 10 p.m. she pulls up to the tall gates that are around his modern mansion, and the house is lit up, so nothing about it is alarming. I mean, the house has CCTV cameras on the outside too. She was led in by the guard on site, and Norris Arrival would trigger a series of very peculiar events. Because we don't know exactly what went down at the exact time once she entered that home.
Starting point is 00:17:32 But we have a little bit of tidbits of information. A little after 10pm, so almost right after Nor arrived, is the here makes multiple calls to his travel agent asking to cancel the flight that's coming up in five hours? Hmm, so as soon as she arrived. Yeah, and the travel agent is telling Zahir, you know, I don't really think that's gonna be possible You're flying out in a few hours. There's no way that I can cancel your flight and refund you your money because It doesn't really work like that Zahir then requested to change his flight instead of leaving in a few hours, he wanted to depart to America in 10 days. But again, that was just too tricky because you
Starting point is 00:18:10 can't just change your flight ticket without paying some sort of penalty or fine from the airline just hours before your flight. So when Z here's agent is expressing all of these different issues with him, he tells her, okay fine, I'll just keep my flight the same. At 11 p.m., a scheduled taxi arrives at the here's house to take him to the airport. He booked this ride when he initially booked his ticket, so this has been scheduled for a while. Clearly, he's having second thoughts about going to New York. He calls the taxi driver that's sitting outside of the gates of his house, and the here
Starting point is 00:18:41 tells him, sorry I'm still packing, do you mind waiting a little bit? The driver waited 36 minutes, the here called him once more. Okay, just wait a little bit longer, hold on. On the third call with the taxi driver, the here tells him, you know what, I canceled my plans to go to the airport, but I'll still pay you, so one of the guards will bring out money since I made you wait, but anyway, bye. The pay was very generous. I think the cab driver made double what he would have made on a standard drive back and forth from the airport.
Starting point is 00:19:11 So as a token of appreciation, the driver calls the here and says, hey, if you change your mind about going to the airport tonight or even tomorrow, you already paid me so I can give you a lift anytime. Two hours later, at around 2 a.m. Zhe here calls that cab driver and says, you know what? Maybe you can take me to the airport. I have no idea the distance between his home
Starting point is 00:19:33 and the airport, but this seems pretty tight for an international flight. Cause I would imagine that now it's what? Like one, two in the morning, his flight is at like 3.30? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's too tight. Yeah, because even if it's like a 30 minute drive, it's pretty tight. So this is when the cab driver starts feeling like,
Starting point is 00:19:51 ooh, something's not right here. See, here comes out of the house with this luggage. And with a woman, the driver helps the here put the luggage in the trunk, and he notices a few things. One, the woman is barefoot. They're going to an airport. I don't even think you can be let on a plane without shoes. Second, once they get in the car,
Starting point is 00:20:12 the driver notices that the here is talkative and seems normal, but this woman is just silent. She doesn't seem like she's peacefully just enjoying the drive. She seems out of it and she's silent. She doesn't say a single word. Doesn't even respond when Zee here speaks to her. Third, in the middle of the drive Zee here abruptly requests that they turn around and head back to his house instead of the airport. It was sudden. There was no prior conversation about this. There was no, um, man, I don't think
Starting point is 00:20:41 we're gonna make it in time. It's just turn around too late. What? Forever's like, okay, this is so weird, but he's still getting paid for it. So I guess he, you turns it around, parks the car in front of the house home and watches him take his luggage in one hand and a firm grip on the woman with his other hand. It's weird, but as years of being a cab driver,
Starting point is 00:21:04 I mean, they taught him a few things. One of them being, everything is weird at 3am. He takes one last look at the house, gets back in his car and starts making his way to his next drive. It's stated that the here proposed to Nore that night instead of flying out to New York City. She rejected him. So now she had to die. For the next 48 hours behind the tall gates in cold concrete walls, Zahir would hold
Starting point is 00:21:38 his ex-girlfriend, the daughter of a diplomat, captive, and torture her to death. We don't have an exact timeline of the torture, but we do know what injuries she sustained. Sometime after being dropped off by the taxi, Zaheer tries to keep getting more to accept his proposal is the speculation. She keeps refusing, so the torture begins. It's said that he punched her repeatedly with brass knuckles. Oh, like those fighters. Yes, that you put on your... Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:08 He beat her with a back of a pistol, mentally tortured her by threatening to shoot her. There were shallow cuts on the back of her knees, and it's speculated that she tried to run off, and he would cut the back of her knees to make it difficult for her to walk or run. There were bruises all over her body, but particularly her inner thighs, nor had been as say to buy Zahir. There was also bruising on her head as if she had been hit multiple times
Starting point is 00:22:34 with a very sharp object. This lasted for two days. And on that very last day of torture, Zahir takes out his Swiss army knife, which Swiss army knives are not that long. The longest ones that I could find online were about five inches, not even so think shorter than the length of most phones. He used that knife to try and attack Nore.
Starting point is 00:22:59 She pushed back, dug her nails in him, and that pissed him off. He starts stabbing her, but they were all very shallow cuts because the knife was on the shorter side. And I don't want that to make it sound like I'm downplaying her injuries. They were very, very painful cuts. She's losing a lot of blood. There was blood all over the room, the walls, the floor, but none of the stab wounds themselves were fatal.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Nor was stabbed over a dozen times. Nor ended up fainting, and at this point, the hear starts to choke her. He kept choking her until she was no longer moving, and then he took his knife, and I saw no other reports that stated that any other knife was used during the crimes. So we can assume that it's the five inch Swiss Army knife. He took that after Norhead passed and started to detach her head. I imagine that it must have taken a while. We do know at least that Norhead has passed. So she wasn't feeling at least the physical pain of this.
Starting point is 00:24:02 And when he was done, he kicked her head a few times. Her head was found three feet away from her body. In this detail, really, I don't even know how to digest this information. It's a mixture of this violent child that's throwing some sort of sick tantrum mixed with the literal devil that won't even spare someone in their death. That is just such little remorse and respect for not even an individual in particular, but just the sanctity of life in general.
Starting point is 00:24:35 The here-jaw-fer had just killed his ex girlfriend for rejecting him. And he was plotting to get away with it. July 20, 2021. This is the day of Nora's murder. So we can presume that she's already dead when he makes these new series of phone calls. A family friend of the years gets a phone call around dinner time.
Starting point is 00:24:56 This is a middle-aged man. He picks it up and he doesn't even have the hears number. So he has no idea why he's the hears calling him. To give you some context, this family friend wants to remain anonymous but he's friends with Zaheer's dad. But apparently he's not even that close to Zaheer's dad. He's not even that close of a family friend. He didn't grow up with Zaheer, he doesn't know Zaheer like that.
Starting point is 00:25:15 I mean they're on cordial polite terms but they're definitely more like equateances. So it's just kind of odd that Zaheer was calling him out of the blue. Hey Zaheer, what's going on? Do you need something? And Cihar is just telling him, yeah, something terrible happened. Come to my house immediately. You have to tell me what happened. Like, are you all right?
Starting point is 00:25:35 What's going on? Robert's raided the house. I'm all alone. My parents aren't home. Please come quickly. Yeah, okay. Let me see what I can do. The family friend throws his jacket over his shoulder,
Starting point is 00:25:45 pats his pockets, makes sure he has his keys, and just as he's about to walk out that door, he's literally about to pull on the door handle, he stops dead in his tracks. Something's all right. Zee here has never called him before. Zee here shouldn't even really have his number. He doesn't even know how he got his number.
Starting point is 00:26:03 They almost never interacted, and if he was being robbed, why would he call the cops, call his parents, call anybody but him? I mean, he's not even like part of the military or the police or anything. Like, he's a random business man. Yeah. He's not even that close to the family. So he's like, okay, even if I go to the here's house, then what? Like, what could I possibly do for Zahir? Yeah, so what... He said there's a robber in the house? There was a robbery. And he's very vague about it.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Okay. And he pulls out his phone and he calls the hears dad. And he lets him know, hey, I just got a call from your son. I don't know, apparently your house has been robbed and he's alone. I don't know what's going on, but I think that you should try and figure it out. This is when everything just kind of descends into full blown chaos. It's a giant game of telephone where only a few people know how sick and twisted the truth is. The here's dad got right to work after this phone call,
Starting point is 00:26:57 but he doesn't handle it in the way that you would imagine. So from call logs, we know that the here and the here's dad were in constant communication the day of the murder So if there truly was a robbery which there wasn't the here's dad probably would have been the first to know about it But let's say he didn't he's out of town. He's a smart businessman. He's a wealthy tycoon What do you think the best thing to do is? Call the police, have them sent over to the house where his son would be found traumatized
Starting point is 00:27:30 after an alleged home invasion. That was not the choice that Seher's dad made. Seher's dad starts calling up random family friends telling them there was a robbery at our house. They took paintings and my precious ornaments. They beat my son. And all the family friends were like, why are you calling me right now with this?
Starting point is 00:27:49 I mean, like, I feel bad, but like, what could I do? Yeah. In another call, he told a family friend, my son was robbed. He was at the house when the robbers invaded. My son killed a robber. How can I get rid of the body? Which to me is very telling.
Starting point is 00:28:04 The here's dad knows that there's a dead body in that house. The here's dad told multiple family friends that there was a robbery at his house and the here was a victim. And then he turns around and calls therapy works. The counseling center that's here used to be a patient and later started working for. The here's dad calls the CEO, the main therapist, with a very strange request. He asks Dr. Tahir, a psychologist.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Quickly, please go to my house. My son is trying to solicit a girl. I know you just cocks your head, okay? Obviously, Dr. Tahir is having the same reaction as us. He asks the dad on the phone. I'm sorry, what do you mean solicit a girl? Like is he with this? It's worker because he is soliciting.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It's like, it's work like that phrase is so weird. And like, I don't know if you would call a therapist if that was the real situation of what was going on. And he said, the here's dad responded so calmly, almost with like a chuckle in his voice. To hear. Well, you know what I mean. You're a smart man. Something like that. Something like that.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Something like that. What does that even mean? Something like that. Dr. Tahir claims he had no idea what was going on. This is the only information he claims he was given. He gathers a team of six workers from the clinic and okay, the presumption here is that the heirs parents invested in
Starting point is 00:29:33 or heavily funded the clinic. So he was just kind of in the pocket of the heirs dad. So he had to go. Otherwise, I think he would have just been like, you're very strange, sir. Maybe you should come in for a session. Yeah, but why is he gathering six people? Like, what is he trying to do?
Starting point is 00:29:50 We don't know. So that's why people think they must have known about it. Some people say, no, maybe he just wants backup for whatever reason, because he knows that to hear was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Some people say, no, he knew from that phone call what was already going on. And he gathered a team to help him clean the mess.
Starting point is 00:30:09 But we don't know, okay? We don't know. So they gather up a team of six workers from the clinic and they start heading over to the jaffer mansion. They get there. I don't know what they're expecting, but they seem to be a little confused because there's already another group gathered outside the house.
Starting point is 00:30:27 What? The group also seems very confused. They're like, we don't know what on earth is going on. Where's the hears friends? The hears been calling us all day saying that it was a robbery, he was in a life or death situation, and that we needed to bring our own personal guards. So these are all rich kids, they all have like family guards. Okay. So many people are outside of the here's home and half of them are under the impression that there is a scary robbery that just happened.
Starting point is 00:30:53 The other half, the clinics team, they're under the pressure impression that's the here is in there with a woman and something is happening. Someone's being solicited. Yet nobody calls the police. The therapist, all six of them just stood there outside for half an hour. Finally, they decided to take a ladder and try to break into the house. But at that point, it would be too late. Nor would already be dead.
Starting point is 00:31:20 See, the interesting thing though, about families like this, like I said, everybody already has a guard, right? Is they all have house staff? So where are the hears house staff? Why couldn't they just come out and explain what's really going on to the confused crowd? Or why couldn't they just, I don't know, let the therapy workers into the house instead of having them climb up a ladder and break into the home. There were three house staff present during the past two days, a gardener, a cook, and a security guard. For two days, they heard nor screams, and they didn't do anything. And I get that this is their employer,
Starting point is 00:31:58 and I get that they must have been terrified of what could happen if you go up against a family like this. But this is two days. It's not even a split second choice that you make, but for every second of those 48 hours, they made the choice to not save Noir. Noir tried to escape six times. During the torturous 48 hour ordeal, six times. Had a single one of the staff just stood there ground or helped her
Starting point is 00:32:26 or looked the other way, they could have saved her life. But instead, the staff prevented her from leaving. The house was like a total lockdown torture chamber. So they're part of the murder? Yeah. In one instance, it's dark outside, around 241 a.m. Nor was seen on the home security cameras running barefoot towards the main house gate. She had made it out of the house alive But the security guard locked the gate to prevent her from escaping Zey here came out of the house at that point you could see nor pleading with her hands together in almost a praying motion, begging to be let go. Zhe here refused and dragged her back into the house.
Starting point is 00:33:13 In another instance, July 20th, so the day of the murder, it's actually believed that this was the incident right before the murder. At 7.12 pm, Nora was desperate. She jumped from the balcony with her phone that she managed to pry away from Zahir. She landed in a way that impacted her stomach. So she was holding, she was injured. I mean, think about this is after 40 something hours of torture and she just landed on her stomach. It was a big impact fall. She's holding her stomach running towards the main gate. But again, the guard and the guardner were seen on the home security footage closing the
Starting point is 00:33:48 gate on her to stop her. Z here is then seen running out of the house, grabbing her and dragging her back in. At one point, she kind of trips on the doorframe and he's physically dragging her in. The security guard did cause the here's father after one of these attempts and told him, sir, your son is taking part in quote, rude behavior. According to our researchers, apparently in Urdu, it's an even more of an understatement. It's being like, oh, your son is partaking in shenanigans. I would not classify dragging someone by their hair back into a house and holding them captive
Starting point is 00:34:27 and then hearing blood-curdling screens from the victim, rude behavior. See, here's Dad just responding casually to the guard. We'll just figure something out. So they did nothing. And now, even while a group was forming outside the house, they did nothing. Even when six people from the clinic came in past the gate, grabbed a ladder, broke outside the house, they did nothing. Even when six people from the clinic came in, passed the gate, grabbed a ladder, broke into the house, they did nothing, not a single one of them
Starting point is 00:34:49 stepped aside to call the police. Not a staff member of the house, not any of the six therapy employees. Nobody called the police. So they're breaking into the house, but they don't know what happened yet, right? At this point. Yeah, but I would imagine if you're breaking into the house, but they don't know what happened yet, right? At this point, yeah, but I would imagine if you're breaking into a house, you think that something is clearly wrong with someone.
Starting point is 00:35:10 I mean, I guess they could argue that they didn't call the police because it would be a bad look on the jaffers and the jaffers have maybe allegedly some financial ties to the clinic. I don't know, but they take a ladder, put it up against the side of the house, unlonged the window, break into the house, and they see the crime scene. And again, at this point, any one of the six, because that's a lot of people, six people, one of them could have stepped side, one of them could have gone back down the ladder to call the police,
Starting point is 00:35:38 but they didn't. According to therapist Dr. Tahir, he said the room was covered in blood. They didn't even have time to process what they were looking at before Zahir came at them with a gun and a knife. Yeah, he tried to shoot at them, but thankfully the bullet got jammed. Zahir grabbed his knife, stabbed one of the employees, and I mean, it was really bad. It's like one of those undercut, but like through the, yeah. Went through the mouth, everyone froze and then all hell broke loose. The here tries escaping through the window, two of the employees are
Starting point is 00:36:10 running towards the employee that's now on the ground bleeding, the other three are running towards the here to try and hold him back, trying to overpower him, they try to grab whatever sheets and fabric they could find to tie him down, but the here is not a small man. They stated it took a lot to disarm him and tie him up so that they could finally call the police. And once the chaos was settled, that's when they stated they saw Nor's body. And her head, three feet away. Now with the sounds of seven grown adult screaming and fighting, one of the neighbors decided to alert the police. But he doesn't call the police. He decides to go to the police station and
Starting point is 00:36:48 personally tell them, hey, you should come to my neighbor's house. So again, very odd. When the police make it to the scene, Zahir is tied up already. He's laying face down on the floor and the therapy works employers surrounding him. Zahir was quickly arrested and he was covered in blood. Nora's family had no idea what had been happening for the past two days. Nora left on the night of the 18th, stating that she was gonna go meet
Starting point is 00:37:13 with a friend and be right back. And something to notice, Nora was 27. Zihir was 30 at the time this took place. So while she never really, she never really went out late at night with no intention of coming home, that's just not who Nora was. Not that anything's wrong with that. It just, so it didn't really seem like the end of the world, even though it's out of character. You know, she's 27, she's responsible. I think she had
Starting point is 00:37:36 already built so much trust with her family. They're not gonna sit there and be like, oh, Nore's gone off to do something crazy. It's probably like, oh man, Nore's friend probably needs her help on something. But they really started getting worried the night of the 18th. So the night that she left when she wasn't coming home like past midnight. This is really, really unlike her, right? And if she did have some sort of emergency, she's the type of person that would have told her parents, like, hey, my friend needs me and something happened or something. She would have told her parents, like, hey, my friend needs me. Something happened or something.
Starting point is 00:38:06 She would have told her parents. They start calling her. It goes to voicemail. The family keeps texting her asking her, Hey, just let us know your save. Just let us know where you are. What's going on? Authorities believe that Zahir had taken Norse phone refused to let her talk to her parents, but as her parents became more and more frantic
Starting point is 00:38:24 that night, and the calls and texts became more frequent, Zhe here stepped in and forced nor to text her mom that she was out with her friends, and we're going to do an impromptu trip to a neighboring city. Again, Norris parents were so confused and honestly kind of disappointed because Norris the type of daughter that almost always, except for this time, right, this time quote, that cared about spending all the important holidays with her family, and it was about to be eat alfitter. So this is really, really, really, really out of character. But I think that they tried to reason with themselves because they had so much trust in their daughter, she wouldn't have done this unless she absolutely needed to.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Maybe her friend is really going through something. Maybe her friend needs her help in a neighboring city. Like she's just not the type of kids to be like, I'm having so much fun, like I'm going to stay out. So they're like, okay, let's just have some trust in our daughter because she's earned it. She'll probably come home and everything can be explained because that's who Nore is. The parents went about their plans even though they were sad that Nore wouldn't be there. Nore's dad went out to go buy goat and some fruit.
Starting point is 00:39:40 The goat detail will be explained later, but it's part of the whole celebrations of the holiday. Now, Nore's mom was the whole celebrations of the holiday. Now, Norris mom was running the rest of their errands. Eventually, they make it back home on July 20th. They looked around and Norris still not home. Norris mom starts reading the Quran and praying and she hears her husband screaming in the next room.
Starting point is 00:39:59 She runs over and she's like, what's going on? What's happened? And of course, her anxiety is peaking because this is a diplomat. This is a diplomat. This is a man who stays cool under pressure. This is not someone who outwardly shows any sort of panic or dramatic emotions. His literal career has been built on not doing that.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And it was like he was in a trance. He's crying. He's sobbing. He's screaming. My child, my child. And so her heart is racing. She's like, tell me what's going on. But he was not in a state that he could even register
Starting point is 00:40:29 his wife. So her anxiety is going through the roof. She's running around. She finally finds her son who's in the house. And she's like, what's going on? Her son tells her that Nora is gone. At first, Nora's mom thought it was an accident, but it was just so much worse.
Starting point is 00:40:49 I mean, obviously, grief is hitting the family hard. Nora had an older brother and an older sister. And Nora's older sister, Sarah, was practically her twin. I think they were like five years apart, which is a lot, but people said you would never even notice. They acted like twins. Everyone said it's like they had one soul in two bodies. And now one of those bodies had been tortured,
Starting point is 00:41:17 beheaded, and murdered. And it was like a piece of Sarah's soul had just died. She was such a piece of Sarah's soul had just died. She was such a wreck. Even their father, who everyone leaned on during these tough times, nor his dad was known for having a really big laugh. It was what everyone, everywhere that he was a diplomat in whatever country he was in, that's what everyone remembered him for.
Starting point is 00:41:42 And it was the kind of laugh that's like that dad laugh. It's very comforting and it's loud. And people would always, they would laugh with him. And they would say, stop laughing. So loud people are going to be like disrupted. And they said, ever since that day, that laugh was gone. And of course, they all, most of all, miss Nor's laugh. Nor's cousin said,
Starting point is 00:42:05 Nora's laugh was something special. She laughed a lot at things that weren't even that funny, but the minute that she starts laughing, you'd be laughing at her because her laugh was just so fun. Her laugh was like contagious. And now she was gone. Do you know the story of Abraham? No.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Okay, I think the story is prevalent across multiple different religions. So please correct me if I'm wrong. I think different names are used. I think in Christianity, it's Isaac is the name. But let me tell you the story. Abraham saw in a dream that Abraham is a disciple of God. And he sees in a dream that he's beheading his own son, Isaac. This is the Christian version, I think, in the Islamic text. It's Ishmael, I believe. So Abraham believes
Starting point is 00:42:54 that God is telling him to sacrifice his own son. Now, obviously, Abraham and his wife were torn apart by this because on one hand, God is telling them to do something and they need to trust God because God would never do anything without reason. But on the other hand, this is their son, this is their own flesh and blood. How do you kill your own offspring? Abraham and his wife decided, we have to do this. This is the ultimate sacrifice. Abraham also told Isaac and Isaac was like, yes, we must do this. For God. So they trek up a giant mountain. They find this rock. Isaac was going to lay his neck down on that rock.
Starting point is 00:43:33 And he was crying, knowing what was about to happen to him, but he told his dad like that, do it. They're both emotional. Abraham swings up his axe to kill his own son. And an angel appears to tell him, do not lay a hand on that boy It was a test and God was pleased that Abraham was willing to give up all he had for him So that's a Abraham rejoiced and he gets to have a son and
Starting point is 00:44:00 They sacrifice a goat instead. I know that this is not the best retelling of this story, and I know it's a pretty prominent story across multiple different religions, but ultimately it's a story of sacrifice. And if I'm not mistaken, every year Muslims celebrate this sacrifice, this story by sacrificing a goat. It is their way of showing Allah like we are willing
Starting point is 00:44:22 to make the greatest sacrifice if you need us to. And the meat of the goat is then given to charity. So why is this story important? Well, Zahir tells this to authorities. He tells the story of Abraham, which they already know, because it's a predominantly Muslim country. And he states that nor wanted to be sacrificed. that nor wanted to be sacrificed. Wow. Holy. And the day that they sacrificed the goat is Edal Fitter, which is the day that she was murdered. He claims she came to him and wanted him to sacrifice her like a goat. Why? Because she had been in a relationship with the here
Starting point is 00:45:04 and that would go against her beliefs and she now wanted to atone for her sins by being sacrificed. This doesn't make any sense for any reason, okay? For so many reasons. The most blatant one being, that would mean Nour was essentially taking her own life which is not allowed in most religions, including Islam. So this whole story contradicts itself. Secondly, any murder of any kind, even quote sacrifices, is not acceptable in Islam. They're very non-violent religion. So the Islam belief is killing one man is like killing all of mankind, which is why the law of retaliation is given so much precedence. So I know that in stories
Starting point is 00:45:54 that we've talked and I wonder if it's also some propaganda in the last year, not I mean, but there is this weird out of nowhere belief that Islam can be a violent religion and I think it's very, very... just a misunderstood religion, especially here in the West, especially in the U.S. I'm learning everyday new things about Islam and you know, my Muslim friends are always telling me new things and I'm like, oh, that's so interesting because when I read the news, it's always depicted a different way, right? So, there's always that thing that's brought
Starting point is 00:46:25 up, which is I for a knife, right? And a lot of Muslim predominantly Muslim countries, the death penalty is a little bit more enforced or well received by the general public. So in the West, there's this connotation of like, wow, it's just so violent over there. But that's not why. It's because the Islam belief against killing a man is so strong. It's so like, that is the ultimate, ultimate worst thing that you could do. So now they give the power to the family of the victims.
Starting point is 00:47:00 You can take an eye for an eye. Because that's how much they don't like killing. It's not because they're like, oh, you did something wrong, death penalty. It's not it. But it's just infuriating to hear him say this, that he was willing to sacrifice his ex for a relationship quote sin, that he also took just as much part in. And also, it's just so stupid because there's literal CCTV footage of nor trying to escape, but here he is saying with his full chest that nor wanted this to happen to her. Under Norse fingernails, there is also DNA evidence that showed that nor was fighting for her life
Starting point is 00:47:36 every step of the way. She did not want this. People need to stop telling women what they did or did not want. The worst part of this version of events, that there's other version of events, okay. So here tries to convince authorities of like version one, version two, version three, but the worst part of this version of events is that Zahir actually stood in front of Norse father and stated this. He said, he beheaded her because she begged him to be sacrificed. He said, sacrifice is a ritual in Islam and nor wanted to sacrifice her life and presented herself to me for that purpose. Nor his father.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I can't imagine like the anger he must have felt, but he didn't let it out. He kept it in. He stood tall, he stood up for his daughter and he was dignified, he gave three words, you are lying. This was the here's newest version of events. His previous ones included, the first one was pretty straightforward, he said that he proposed to her that night, and she rejected him, so he killed her. This is immediately upon arrest. This was the first story that he had,
Starting point is 00:48:48 which most people believe is the true story. Now, you're probably wondering why he would even confess to something like this if he had plans to get away with it. Let me tell you, he told the Pakistani courts and the police around him, you can't put me in jail. You can't even try me because I'm a US citizen. And everyone's like, you are dumb. You're dumb. Yeah. So can they try him or no? Yeah. A US citizen is subject to whatever
Starting point is 00:49:13 country that they're in and that country's laws. So if you go to vacation in Europe or Mexico or South Korea, you are subject to that country's laws and you can be tried for breaking the law in that country. But I don't know why he didn't think that because he's a murderer and he is ignorant. Yeah. And he was so confident about it. So he's like, yeah, I killed her because I proposed her and she rejected me. So I killed her. And then later for some reason, he changed his story because I think that he really wanted
Starting point is 00:49:39 to just, I mean, try to kill her reputation even after her death because he stated no I found out that she was in like a very premise goose relationship with someone else and I killed her because she deserved it wow and at one point he even argued he had no idea what happened no really he changed his story he goes no okay so the truth is now I'm telling the truth right nor comes over with a bunch of demanding that he let her host a big party at his house because his parents weren't home. He said, I'm just a frail, dainty, 30-year-old boy.
Starting point is 00:50:12 I didn't know how to say no. I really didn't want to because I was leaving for America that night, but she already started inviting all of her friends over. They all started getting high and they knocked him out. He said he finally woke up tied up, everybody was gone and Nor was dead. He said he was rescued by the police officers
Starting point is 00:50:30 insinuating that he wasn't tied up by the therapy employees that day. He was tied up whenever, he doesn't even know when he was tied up. Probably like two days ago. What? Yeah. He stated the only reason he was even being accused
Starting point is 00:50:46 of Nora's murder was because Nora's dad was a very influential person and he was working with the police to frame the here. He said, Nora's father wants to get money from us. And for that reason, he along with the police built a case against me and my family.
Starting point is 00:51:00 He also claimed that he had to be framed for the murder. Otherwise, it would come out that Nora was having a massive party. He even accused Noir's phone of being swapped in police custody to hide the fact that she had invited her quote to the friends over, which is really, really rich coming from the here. Because a few years ago, four girls had left Zahir's home after a party. It was alleged that Zahir was supplying
Starting point is 00:51:31 to that party. And the four girls were incredibly high when they left. They got into a car accident and all four died on impact. But now he's like, I was too scared to say no, and I hate drugs. That was just brushed under the rug at the time. Zahir also accused social media activists and women's rights activists of running a campaign against him for their own quote vested interests and quote money. Whatever that means, because
Starting point is 00:51:57 yeah, we make so much money protesting on the streets, missing work to protest. That makes sense. At one point, Zahir had straight upset to journalists. I makes sense. At one point, Zeyhir had straight up said to journalists, I was angry, I killed Nor with a knife. Another time he said, I did it, I did it, I did it. So not a very credible person, obviously. Zeyhir goes back and forth from outright confessing to the crimes, taking it back, concocting bizarre stories,
Starting point is 00:52:22 and then outright confessing to the crimes again. He also did this thing that whenever he was speaking an Urdu, he spoke with this quote, cute accent. So when you learn, it's like when you learn a different language, if you grew up there learning it by the time that you're 30 years old, you have a very wide vocabulary. You probably pronounce things in the correct way. But let's say you're an adult and you learn it. You might have like a cute accent where you mess up words. You kind of sound like a foreigner
Starting point is 00:52:52 and it sounds almost a little more baby-ish. Mm, okay. So my Korean definitely sounds more baby-ish, childish than my English, because English is my primary language. Whereas Korean, because I don't know specific words, I try to like, I'm like, okay, how can I describe this because I don't know that word,
Starting point is 00:53:11 I need to use the words I already know. Yeah, it's like how I was telling you, like if you only spoke in Korean to your mother, so then you can only talk in certain ways. Like to a kid that's talking to adults. I guess maybe? Yeah, so it's kind of like, yeah, it's more childish, for sure. He's only speaking in this childish accented Urdu,
Starting point is 00:53:33 which generally, typically, gardeners a lot of sympathy from people, because it's kind of cute. And also, it shows that you probably lived abroad, but you're trying to learn your own language, right? It shows that you care. abroad, but you're trying to learn your own language, right? It shows that you care. But it was all a facade. Sure, he was born in the US, but he grew up in Pakistan.
Starting point is 00:53:53 He literally moves back, and he didn't leave to go back to the US and to the UK until his undergrad days, so college. So he should be not speaking like that. So he's fluent, but he's pretending. Yeah, trying to be like, little old me, I'm so confused and I'm such a big baby. And one of the biggest questions of this case was how much did Zaheer's parents actually know about what was going on? Neither of them were home, some sources state that they were away from business or on vacation, but there are call logs to suggest that Zheher was in frequent communications with them
Starting point is 00:54:32 during the brutal 48 hours. The day of the murder Zheher spoke on the phone with his dad more than 5 times. That's a lot. For a 30 year old man to keep calling us at 5 times in a day, One phone call lasted around 30 minutes, while the others ranged between two to four minutes. It is believed that Nor was alive and being tortured while he was making some of these phone calls. After Nor's suspected time of death, Zahir called his mom a few times. Collectively, he was on the phone with his mom for over an hour. 72 minutes.
Starting point is 00:55:03 he was on the phone with his mom for over an hour. 72 minutes. Whoa. Zey here also continued to call his dad multiple times after Norse's suspected time of death, allegedly. Zey here's dad speculating. Probably knew about the murder and tried to calm down his son over the phone and it's been said by certain people that are close to this case that his dad practically told him you don't need a worry
Starting point is 00:55:26 I'm gonna send people to rescue you and help dispose of the body and It is believed that those people are the therapist So they're coming to clean up But maybe they saw all of the hears friends and they're like a shit Like people know we're here Yeah, and theneer attacked him. Yeah. Zaheer's parents were both arrested.
Starting point is 00:55:52 While being arrested, Zaheer's dad said, it's very tragic incident and I would personally like to make condolences to Nor's father because I know him personally. It's a very heinous crime and I would like justice to prevail. Zaheer's mother said, Nor was also a woman and I would like justice to prevail. The here's mother said, Nora was also a woman and I'm a mother and woman too.
Starting point is 00:56:08 I also deserve sympathy. I am hopeful. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. I am hopeful that you do sherry will give us justice. Two of the three house staff were also arrested for being accomplices to the murder. So I don't know if one, the chef was just not there most of the time, or had left, or didn't actively try to prevent nor from leaving and played more of a passive role. He didn't seem to be arrested, but the gardener and the guard that persistently like kept not letting nor escape, they were arrested.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Dr. Tahir and his six employees were also arrested on charges of concealing evidence. It suggested that Dr. Tahir was heavily on jaffers play role and he was on, he was in the here's dad's pocket, so to speak. So people thought that they went over with the intention of cleaning a crime scene because why do you bring so many people over? And even later in interviews that he does, he doesn't even refer to Nora by her name. He just keeps calling her the girl, which I find incredibly annoying, but also very insightful into who this man really
Starting point is 00:57:16 is. He states that he has no idea why Zaheer's father called him to show up at the family home. He does feel like it's some sort of trap, but he doesn't know what. He just said that he showed up believing a former patient of his that had clearly struggled with mental health before was having some sort of relapse. He said the reason that they called the didn't call the police is not because they wanted to go in there and clean the evidence was just because it was hectic. They waited out there for 30 minutes because typically patients will realize that there's no coming out of this and they'll walk outside themselves to meet with a therapist and that usually is a better result in the long run. And then when they went in, they wear a tacks and it was just chaos, he said. He argued that there was no way that they would have known about the murders prior.
Starting point is 00:57:59 He also states, we didn't even tamper with any evidence. Which like, not a great thing to say. It's kind of the bare minimum. He also winded in an interview. We held him down, we tied him up and subdued him for the police, and nobody is giving us a pat on the back for this. You're all just trying to find the error in our actions. I'm so disappointed. You journalists are so shameful.
Starting point is 00:58:22 But the biggest discrepancy was a leaked audio recording of Doctor to Hear, revealed that Zahir had come down to talk to them briefly when they first gathered at the house. What? This was after Nor was already dead and before they took the ladder to go up to his room, when Zahir was arrested, he had blood on his shirt. So either he changed his clothes and then changed back, which why would he do that, or the therapist saw that he either he changed his clothes and then changed back, which why would he do that? Or the therapist saw that he had blown on his clothes and they didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Wait, I'm so confused. He came down and talked to him, talked to these people about what? No, no. So what audio came out, which audio? It's like a clip of Dr. Tahir talking about, like what happened. Yeah. But he doesn't tell the police these things. Also, even if Dr. Teher didn't know that someone was murdered in the house, he at least knew that there was a woman in the house because the phone call that's here is dad made was my son is soliciting a woman. And if you go there and you're like, oh man, I came there because I thought my patient was having a relapse, which is what he stated. And you know that your patient is in the house with a woman.
Starting point is 00:59:23 You should know this is a dangerous situation. We don't know what's patient is in the house with a woman, you should know this is a dangerous situation. We don't know what's going on in that house, so we should act quickly. Someone could be in active danger. Side note, he would also argue that Zahir was never employed at the clinic, but there are literal photos of Zahir giving presentations to students on behalf of the clinic. Yeah. Oh, and at one point, Dr. Tahir asked the media why they cared so much about Nor's case. He said when women are killed all the time, and those cases just disappear from the new cycle, why are you guys still hung up on this one? Which really crazy though, is some people took the doctor's side and even took it a step further. People tried to find ways to blame Norfolk would happen to her, as if she had any control over this full grown man's actions.
Starting point is 01:00:13 These people wouldn't say outright, but the way that they talked about the case, you could just tell what they're thinking. For example, one big thing was when referring to the relationship between Norns and here, many news outlets kept calling it an affair. Neither of them were married, so by Western standards, it's just a relationship. But in, like, I guess, more conservative arenas, it could be considered an affair because they shouldn't have been dating in that extent prior to getting married. But still, it's just, I don't know, just adding that connotation to it is unnecessary. It's just unnecessary. What do you get out of it? And like, how does that excuse murder? You know what this reminds you of?
Starting point is 01:01:01 It's how essay is written about. Next time you read an article about essay, take note of this. with this reminds me of, it's how essay is written about, next time you read an article about essay, take note of this, it's written about passively. It's always, almost always, especially when you're talking about public figures or people that are of importance, it's she was our worded.
Starting point is 01:01:22 It's never this person our worded her. It's never this person taking that action. It's almost like this imaginary figure. This force of nature did the action on this woman. Yeah, why is that? Yeah, it's just the way. It does sound less like serious and less focused on the criminal. The criminal exactly. Yes, it's more focused on the woman and what happened to her versus the criminal did this to her right Yeah, it's so this is kind of what it reminds me of it's just small words that are like why are you doing that? Like obviously it's a choice that these reporters are making to call it an affair rather than just a relationship Even if they weren't in a relationship, doesn't matter, he killed her.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Even if they weren't a full blown affair, let's say they were married, doesn't matter, he killed her. Does anything matter? He killed her. I'm so confused. Some netizens even blame the parents for not raising them with better values. They commented,
Starting point is 01:02:19 I equally blame her parents. What the hell is she doing out in the middle of the night? What kind of parents are they? My mother won't allow me to go out after 7pm and I'm 37. I still have curfew. Another comment reads, People should train the girls to not believe guys and not leave their homes blindly and join their boyfriends.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Parents, please play your roles vigilantly. Or again, just train boyfriends not to kill. Which I'm not sure one even needs training for that. It's a little crime. Like instead of women bending over backwards to stay alive, why don't people just follow the law? Because isn't that what laws are there for it anyway?
Starting point is 01:02:55 So if you're breaking the law, you're the problem. Like the amount of mental cartwheels people are doing is just like depressing on this case. Like I don't know what else to say. It's just straight up soul sucking and depressing. Others blamed Noir for not being quote a good Muslim, which I clearly don't have to point out how damaging that is.
Starting point is 01:03:15 First of all, the researchers that worked on this case, they're all Muslim, and they're like, it is so painful to hear that. We have no idea what her relationship was like with Zahir. We also have no idea what her relationship was like to Allah. I mean, nor from what we know was incredibly devoted to her faith. She had this strong relationship with Allah
Starting point is 01:03:39 and it might not have looked like everyone else's relationship, but correct me if I'm wrong or correct me if I'm overstepping because I'm not a religious person, but religion is about growing and learning about your faith and learning about yourself through your devotion. And of course, everyone's journey is not going to be identical. How can you shame someone for being in their own unique journey? I just think that we need to stop creating all these excuses for when women get murdered. Oh, not religious, not religious enough, too religious.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Like, what? Even in death, women are devalued if they weren't perfect for society. Some netizens express confusion on why Nor even went to go see Zahir that night, as if that was the problem. Wow, wow, wow. What you get in something to note is that if he is dead set on murdering someone, I don't think that her saying note that meeting that night would have wavered
Starting point is 01:04:35 his determination in killing her. But another Nadasan commented, okay, this is all true, but why did Nora run towards her death? Why did she go visit the crazy man? It got so bad Nora's father had to address the conversations about Nora, and he said some people are accusing my daughter of very amodest actions.
Starting point is 01:04:53 They should remember that they also have daughters, and for saying something like that, there is no compromise. As I have said multiple times, this is no longer about our daughter. This is about all our daughters. It's like these people refuse to look at the facts. She studied religion in college. She learned from many modern Muslim scholars. She was learning
Starting point is 01:05:13 Arabic. Even when she was out with friends, she would slip away to do her prayers. She never skipped them five times a day. Nor was proud of her faith. She was constantly trying to be better. And obviously she's from this super privileged family. But instead of acting like she's this little rich girl, which is condescending and patronizing, she embraced it and thought, okay, how can I use my privilege to help others? For every single birthday that Nor had, she asked all of her friends around her to come volunteer with her. They would go to orphanages, they would go to shelters, they would donate gifts.
Starting point is 01:05:50 That's how she wanted to spend her birthdays. If there was ever a stray dog and need of assistance, Nor was ready to risk it all to help that dog. She was the definition of someone who wore fluffy socks and her hands were always being warmed on a mug of green tea. When she's gone, all of a sudden none of that matters. All people want to talk about it is why did she go see her ex boyfriend? Did she want this for herself? Maybe she shouldn't have dated before marriage.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Even major news outlets had referred to Nore at times as, and I'm not going to say the Urdu phrases for it because I'm gonna butcher them, but it translates into someone having unorthodox thoughts and opinions, which is a very seriously negative thing in a country like Pakistan, where people are generally a lot more conservative. Another phrase that they often use to describe Nor
Starting point is 01:06:38 was selfish in terms of what she wanted to do with her life. They're basically calling her free spirited, saying that she wants to do things the way she wants to do, rather than what society and her parents want her to do, which sounds like a positive thing, right? But again, in a very conservative country, even in South Korea,
Starting point is 01:06:56 which is a lot more conservative in the US, it's generally seen as a negative way to describe someone. It's kind of like a backhanded compliment. It's like, oh, you're so free-spirited, but it's also like, what's wrong with you? Yeah. Just like fit in with society.
Starting point is 01:07:12 One documentary also kept using the word Ziba in reference to Nor being beheaded. Our researchers stated that it roughly translates into slicing the neck of an animal to kill it. It's more like saying Nor was slaughtered, like non-stop. One crime reporter speculated that this whole incident came to be because Nore didn't want to hear to leave the country.
Starting point is 01:07:33 And that's why they got into a fight because he wanted to leave and she didn't want into. Yeah, it was. Yeah, and I don't know who the hell thought that this campaign against Nore was going to work or like what they thought it was going to do I don't know who the hell thought that this campaign against nor was gonna work Or like what they thought it was gonna do that all the other women listening would just agree with them and not be upset over this crime Like you're right. You're right like we should just all behave better So we don't get murdered sorry for the inconvenience everyone. We'll go back to the kitchen like
Starting point is 01:08:00 It didn't work the plight of being a woman is universal. I mean, the feeling of being terrified to reject someone in case they get aggressive. The feeling of being scared to walk the streets at night when you're just coming home from school. Being gaslit by the judicial system that you somehow caused your own victimization, that you caused the crime, that feeling that you need to baby someone's ego so that you can be safe,
Starting point is 01:08:28 is such a specific, visceral feeling that I'm sure if you felt it once, it's like a flame inside of you and these women came together. And there is a certain kind of power that comes out when women get together and stand for justice. Hashtag Justice for Nor was trending. Obviously, the crime itself was a shock that was lingering, but Nor was the daughter of a diplomat, and people kept asking, if this could happen to Nor, what happens to us? Nobody is safe. All she did was reject a marriage proposal. There were conversations started about socioeconomic class and how it shapes perceptions about women's safety.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Women gathered all around Pakistan to march and protest in Ireland where nor grew up. People gathered in front of the Pakistani embassy. There were people holding signs that read, hang them, destroy them, humiliate them. We won't stay home so they can grow. No more justice for Nor. There was a candlelit vigil held for Nor in Toronto by human rights activists. I mean, Nor's story really touched a lot of people
Starting point is 01:09:42 just from all over the world. I think women were and just still are over it, like just sick and tired of it. Many women came out and shared their own stories of abuse. Many women in Pakistan shared the same experience of dealing with violence against them and family members just telling them that the man that was beating them was just quote, enraged and to just be patient because he will come around. No, he can come to jail, okay? People were just over it. Activist Lena Ghani said, we're all tired of sending our prayers and thoughts every time a case happens.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Norse case is not an isolated incident. I don't want any more women to be an example. We are facing a gender terrorism epidemic. Why should the Norse of this country have to give up their lives for all of us to learn a lesson about gender-based violence? People shatted on the streets, women just want to exist without the fear of being or murdered.
Starting point is 01:10:41 When the trial started, women were seen outside the courthouse holding signs that read, I for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life, death for the murder, justice for noir. Before the trial, nor his father said, I have served this country, and now I want justice from the government, and if God forbid, I do not get this justice, I will not leave them alone. God forbid, I do not get this justice. I will not leave them alone. I was her father. And then Zahir lost his mind.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Or at least that's what he wanted the courts to believe. And he committed to the act, if you will. When Zahir was initially brought in the day of the murder, authorities noted that he was sound and in his senses. They said, you know, he may have a history of taking this, but at least at this time, he was completely in a senses. He was completely aware of his actions. In the beginning, see here would show up to court looking,
Starting point is 01:11:34 I mean, obviously he didn't look well-rested, right? His prison is probably not the same as his mansion, but he looked a bit haggard, and that's to be expected for someone in jail. No one's gonna feel sympathy for that. He looked a little tired. He looked a little like, okay, and that's to be expected for someone in jail. No one's gonna feel sympathy for that. He looked a little tired. He looked a little like, okay, maybe his mattress isn't soft enough. But when he decided to switch to an insanity plea, he got increasingly more insane.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Conveniently. He starts acting out, screaming at the judge, screaming things like, this court is nothing but dirt. This court is dragging this because they have no power. I have never seen something more fake. This is all a puppet show I have never seen so many more incompetent people in the same room in my entire life He had to be I squirted out the courtroom. His hair was getting crazier and crazier by the day He would just start yelling profanities at everyone when he was escorted out the courtroom
Starting point is 01:12:20 He would be rambling and pointing randomly as if he was having like a psychotic episode. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not a doctor obviously. The symptoms he is presenting could match with schizophrenia. However, the timing of this was just also convenient. The media ripped him apart, which I'm not really mad about. I think there's a lot of more things to be mad about right now about this case, but the media ripped him apart because case, but the media ripped him apart because his behavior to the media just gets progressively more quote psychotic as
Starting point is 01:12:50 the trial progresses. So suddenly he just looked like he was having a rough time and now he's being wheeled around in wheelchairs coming in on stretchers drooling like a zombie being pushed and pulled by the police. There's a video of him being dragged out of court, and the officers are holding him by his arms and his legs as if he's like a duffel bag, and they're just like swinging him around as they're dragging him out of court. The theory was, once he realized that he wasn't gonna come out of this alive,
Starting point is 01:13:18 he started changing his behavior to appear more psychotic in hopes of getting the insanity plea. Ultimately, medical reports would declare him fit to stand trial. The reports stated that the accused kept appearing in court in wheelchairs on the pretense of seeming of seeming, quote, mentally, oh. Once he realized his insanity plea wasn't going to work, he went right back to just looking haggard and tired. No more court outbursts, no more wheelchairs, no more stretchers, no more mumbling. He did say though that he would rather die than go back to prison. He claimed that the guards were beating him.
Starting point is 01:13:51 He even turned to Norris' father and said, I don't want to die behind bars, I should be married and have kids. Norin' I thought it was my fault, but she was also angry. My life is in your hands, please, you can save me. He made it sound like he was having the absolute worst time in prison which honestly I'm not sure what you're expecting right. Like if anything it seemed like Zahir was getting special treatment for being a US citizen. So let me explain Zahir was born in the US. He's a US citizen living in Pakistan and like I said he was like
Starting point is 01:14:22 oh you can't arrest me because I'm a US citizen, right? Well, the US Embassy, a consular, comes to visit the here and present. And gently nicely notifies him. Now, even though you're a US citizen, if you're in a foreign country, you are subject to the country's laws. But the US Embassy did send him a cute little care package. What do you mean? Yeah, they sent him a package. Jail authorities returned the package to the US embassy saying that they violated diplomatic protocols. The package contained books, clothes, and perfumes, like self-care items. It was a bad look.
Starting point is 01:14:58 The US embassy came out to clarify that the gifts were sent to the here because, and I quote, US embassies and consulates abroad are required by US and international law to provide assistance to American citizens who are incarcerated and detained abroad, regardless of the charges against them. So while the US embassy might have had their own reasonings behind it, it just did further anger the public.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Like the here is from a wealthy family. He just murdered and beheaded someone because they didn't want to marry him. I don't think he gets to read a novel right now. I don't think he gets to use a scented soap bar right now. It just felt like everyone from not only this country, but even in the US is like bending over backwards for a literal killer. It's like, are we playing games right now?
Starting point is 01:15:44 The hearing his parents were constantly seen in fresh new clothes and new haircuts while they're in custody. A police officer was even over her telling the here, hey, you're a talented person. What? Yeah. It was just all so frustrating. Regardless, the here was found guilty of essay and murder. Originally, he received 25 years of hard labor in prison, but he appealed the decision saying it was too harsh, and the judge came back and agreed that the decision was wrong.
Starting point is 01:16:13 So they gave him the double death penalty instead. Yeah. Wait, he got 25, and then he appealed? And then they were like, okay, death penalty. Yeah. Wow. Which is were like, okay, death penalty. Yeah. Wow. Which is interesting, but the double death penalty is to ensure that if he tries to appeal again,
Starting point is 01:16:31 and even if one of the death penalties are overturned, he still has the other one. He received a death penalty for murder and one for essay. And nobody felt sympathy for him. No matter how hard he tried to get it, he would actually become a joke amongst mainstream media. News channels would play very intense dramatic music while playing reruns of his outburst in court.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Made it look like a soap opera. Yeah. Unfortunately, his parents and the clinic employees were acquitted, and staff members only received 10-year sentences in prison, which was a huge disappointment, not only Pakistani netizens, but also to Norse parents. But the judgment against the here was still something. Many netizens have stated that Pakistan's track record for prosecuting gender-based crimes is very low, according to the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Index.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Pakistan ranks 153 out of 156 countries. So, this is considered a significant step for the country. Huge. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you some of the previous court rulings that just happened similar to norm. So, we don't have reliable data on crimes against women in Pakistan, but the UN estimates
Starting point is 01:17:46 that the conviction rate in cases is anywhere between 1 to 2.5%. Wow. So most 99% people get away. Yeah. And victims don't even, don't even come out and try to press charges because what happens when a victim is essayed or beat and they're a woman suddenly they're on trial. You know, even just a few years prior in 2018, there was another high profile case where a human rights activist was dab 23 times by her boyfriend on a busy public road. She had broken up with him and he stabbed her 23 times. He was sentenced to seven years in prison, but that was later reduced to two years. And then the court was like, you know what, we're just going to quit him.
Starting point is 01:18:29 The Supreme Court had to step in and restore the two year sentence. Two years. Yeah, just last year in 2022, a woman was killed by her own brother for posting quote, shameful pictures on Facebook. The courts let him walk free. How does that even make sense? Yeah. In 2016, a council proposed a bill to allow men to quote
Starting point is 01:18:56 lightly beat their wives should the need for punishment arise. The proposal bans forceful beatings, saying only a small stick is necessary to instill fear. So now this felt significant. This was the beginning to an end of women being murdered and killers getting away with it. Activists posted, so here's crimes were not only confined to murder, but the fact that he used his money and influence to assail the credibility of the victim. This perhaps is another crime where the victim becomes the accused.
Starting point is 01:19:33 The wounds nor's assault and murder inflicted on the collective conscious of humanity may never heal. It is reassuring that beasts in human disguise will realize the consequences can be grave. So as of right now, I believe the hero is appealing his death sentences, and we're just gonna have to wait and see what the Supreme Courts will do. I assume there will be massive outrage if they try to overturn or do anything about that. And I think that we're seeing this everywhere. Women just are not putting up a shit anymore, And I think that it would be very wise for governments to take note of that. Act, change, and protect
Starting point is 01:20:09 women's right to live, you know, just exist and live without fear of getting murdered. And now every October 23rd, women from all over the world, not even just Pakistan. So the first one was October 23rd, 2022, and hopefully this year it'll happen again. Women from all over the world have been preparing gifts for local orphanages and shelters in honor of Norse birthday, because that's what she liked to do. Norse family visit her grave every day. They all go to talk to Noir, and most days, Sarah will tell the rest of her family, go home, can you pick me up later? I just have a lot to say to Noir.
Starting point is 01:20:53 And Sarah would just sit there talking to Noir for hours and hours on end. And that is the story of Noir. What are your thoughts? Please leave it in the comments. And obviously I don't think that we need other disclaimers of like this but like I said Islam is not a violent religion. The here is not a true Muslim. He's a killer. This is no reflection of the religion. If anything, Nor is the reflection of Islam. So let me know your thoughts and I will see you guys on Wednesday for the
Starting point is 01:21:24 anything nor is the reflection of Islam. So, let me know your thoughts and I will see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode. Bye!

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