Rotten Mango - #304: Asian Obsessed Man Pushed 2 Girls Off Cliff Near “Disney” Castle

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

The real-life Cinderella Castle is situated on a steep cliff in Germany. It’s one of the most breathtaking tourist spots that has over 6k visitors per day. It was a symbol of romance, fairytales, and happy endings. Until a 21-year-old college graduate was murdered there. Two Asian-American college grads, Eva & Kelsey, were thrown off the 165-foot cliff by a man who was obsessed with Asians. Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brambles. But being better, boo. Some people say the Cinderella Castle at Disneyland is haunted. I'm not saying that, just because Disney has a very intense legal team, but some people have said it, and they think it goes against everything that Disney stands for. Apparently back then, you could tour this supposedly haunted dungeon underneath Cinderella's castle in Tokyo, of all places. And Disney eventually shut that whole amusement right down because of just how creeped out

the guests were getting. Their objective was let's bring them in, show them these dungeons, and it'll be scary, it'll be spooky, and then we're gonna have a happy ending. But people were genuinely terrified. There was something about the energy in that castle. Some people say the one in Disneyland in California is also haunted. There's just something about Cinderella's castle that either people romanticize it or they think nothing is that perfect.

Something about that place is sinister. It goes against everything Disney wanted, which is to make this castle feel like romance, feel like you need to propose right now to your loved one in front of it. It feels like a happy ending of fairy tale, which is very interesting considering the fact that the real-life castle that Disney was inspired by the Noish Finestein castle in Germany. It's got some dark past attached to it. Once upon a time there was a mad king. His name is King Ludwig, the second of Bavaria, and if I were to be nice about it, they would call him the fairy tale king, because he lived in his own little Dulululant. He lived in his own little fairy tale land. So two years into him

becoming king, he loses this big war to Prussia, and instead of being like Holdon, let me face reality. Bavaria is going down the toilet. I lost to Prussia. Let me being like hold on, let me face reality, Bavaria is going down the toilet, I lost Prussia, let me be strong to my subjects. He decides no. I'm gonna live in my own fairy tale. I'm still going to Ruvlover, the biggest court of all, the lands. So he loses himself in building this insane castle on this rocky cliff edge. It's like, I mean, if this were a villain horror story, it would be the villain's layer. But he was like, no, I wanted to feel like Prince Charming's home. Rocky Cliff, we've got the towers that go up, all the stone, impenetrable defenses in case someone wants to storm it, it's gonna have 200 rooms,

a ballroom, a theater with a big stage for all of his court to be entertained because he is the greatest king of all. This would be the mad king's private escape from reality. And in this castle, he would be the ultimate king. He would actually dress up in medieval royalty clothing. Yeah, making, he would actually dress up in medieval royalty clothing. Yeah, yeah, as Bavaria, his true reality struggled with the loss of pressure, King led the continued to play make belief, so he loses himself completely in this castle. He was driven mad. He starts barring insane amounts of money from foreign courts, going into debt, losing sleep over which room had to be painted, what? He wanted each tower to look in posing, looks straight out of an episode of Game of Thrones.

And the fellow men of his court realize this man is losing his mind. We are struggling and the king, the king is playing dress up on his cliff side castle. They decide he can rule no more. He was deemed unfit to rule by his own personal psychiatrist diagnosed with madness, de-throwned, and he was evicted from his precious castle. Three days later, he was found mysteriously dead. It suspected he was either murdered, or he was a murderer. The King of Bavaria was found dead in the lake next to his psychiatrist

who had defensive wounds all over his body. It was clear that the psychiatrist was killed, but what about the king? Did he kill his psychiatrist before ending his own life? Was it an accident? Or were they both killed? Was King Ludwig really even mad? I guess we're never going to really know the answers to these questions. But just weeks after King Ludwig's death, the castle was open for tourists. Oh wow. Yeah. That quick. That quick. And since then, it has become one of the biggest

tourist attractions in the whole world. More than 61 million people have visited this castle. More than 1.3 million people visit this castle annually. During the summer months you can expect to see about 6,000 visitors per day because they just want to look at the true real-life Cinderella castle, the fairy tale castle. I mean it's beautiful. Despite its kind of sorted history, it's really pretty. I mean you go up this massive cliff, I mean typically with the tour guide. The best view of the castle is from this bridge That's like 200 feet in the air. So spend it over the cliff. There's like waterfalls. There's a repeat It's really breathtaking. I'm just looking at the pictures and then you see this castle with grayish exterior These circular towers and intricate balconies,

Detailings the windows everything feels like CGI magic. You just can't picture that there were humans that came and built this castle on the cliff side. Think Cinderella's castle at Disney, but 100 times bigger, and on a rocky cliff. It's mysterious, it's imposing, it's breathtaking. I mean, how did they build it? And in 2023, the romantic Cinderella castle would be back in the news. Not because of Disney, not because of an alleged haunting, but because an Asian American

tourist was allegedly sexually assaulted and murdered at the real-life Cinderella castle. By a man who was just really into Asian women. As always, full show notes are available at rotnamanglepodcast.com. This was a highly requested case that I've been trying to cover for, or to say a few months. I hope that there would be a bit more information

as time progressed, but it appears that this is just what we know so far and we're waiting for a trial to happen in Germany, but as always, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts down in the comments. So with that being said, let's get started. The bridge overlooking the Cinderella castle was already packed. I mean, even though it's Wednesday, June 13th at 11 a.m., there are people shoulder to shoulder on that bridge, waiting in line to try and get a picture with the castle. There were as many phones up there as there were faces in the crowd. So amongst them, there's two Asian American women.

We've got 21-year-old Evalue and 22-year-old Kelsey Chang. So they're patiently waiting to get on this bridge. I mean, this is the main bridge that tourists will go on to see the castle. There are hiking trails around here, around the castle, but this is the best place for views. This is the best place for pictures. This main bridge.

People will take turns squeezing past each other just to try and take a picture. Even if there's a million tourists in the background of your photo, it's just that good. And then maybe when they're done taking that picture, they just take a second to stare at this castle. It was everything that everyone online said it would be. It was a million times more beautiful in real life.

So Evan and Kelsey, they start walking around this area. They're taking in the fresh, sharp mountain air, taking pictures, hearing all these tourists giggling and talking and all these different languages. I mean, the energy there that day, particularly, was very heartwarming. Everyone just wanted to see a real-life castle. There's nothing tense about the situation. I mean, everyone's having a good time.

There's families, there's kids. So Evan Kelsey, they start walking around looking for the perfect shot of this castle. And they hear this voice. You girls American? The girls turn around and this man. I mean, I don't know how to say this nicely, but this man looks like the poster child for an American man. I'm an American. I was born here, so can I say that?

You know how Europeans say that they can sense their Spidey senses can Can Their Spidey senses start tingling when there's like an American tourist even a mile away They can spot one out in the crowd like that. That was this guy. He's wearing a baseball cap, jeans, t-shirt, He has a go-t and a big smile on his face.

Everything about him is just American, super American. They turn around and they say, yeah, we are American. So cool, me too. I'm from Michigan. So he's like striking up this conversation with them. And I'm sure they're bouncing it back politely. Oh, very cool. We've never been to Michigan. And the three started engaging in this conversation. It does seem like the man was the one that kept it going,

but he wasn't creepy about it. He wasn't like, oh, what hotel are you staying at? He wasn't asking all these intrusive questions. He just seemed really excited to meet another American while he was abroad. Which is the thing. Like when we were in Switzerland, we were really... My dad was so excited to see a couple staying at our hotel

because they were Korean. We've never met this couple before. We don't know the first thing about this couple, but he's talking to them as if we were a long lost family friends. It's very interesting when you're traveling, you build this like sense of companionship with someone that's from the same country as you, just because they're from the same country as you. So the girls are engaging in the conversation and there is again nothing alarming about this man He seems very nice. He's also super knowledgeable about Germany in general He seems well traveled. He's telling them all the hottest local spots to grab food He wasn't even suggesting. Oh, why don't we go after? He's like, oh, yeah, if you guys have time tomorrow

You should check out this place. It was just a genuine conversation and then he says Hey, do you guys want to see the castle from another viewpoint? The bridge is usually the tourist spot, but like literally right over there, there's a really clear part of the trail where it just has the best view. It's kind of like a local secret.

Last time I was up here at local showed me. At first, the girls are kind of hesitant, but they look around. It's broad daylight. There are kids shouting. There are families taking pictures. It's broad daylight. They're kids shouting. There are families taking pictures. I mean, like I said, there's on busy days, 6,000 people visiting this tourist site in a single day.

Everyone has their phone, just left, right? Anything that's going to be caught on camera is going to be caught on camera here. It's one of the biggest tourist spots in the country and this man has been nothing but normal and nice to them. Besides if he's not that nice they could easily call for help or run. There's a lot of people. So they go. They go with the man and he starts taking them around the trail.

And this trail has a bit of a curve that they hit. And it's got a lot of these overgrown heavy trees. It was a moment where it's kind of, they're getting out of sight from the tourist. It's kind of hard to make out what's in front of you, what's behind you because of the curvature of the trail. So technically, the area is surrounded by mountains and sharp cliffs, but it's actually really safe. It just kind of feels dangerous because we're scared of heights.

No fatal accidents have occurred by the castle or surrounding the castle or even on the trails near the castle. Everything is very clearly marked. It's easy to keep a safe distance from any cliff sides or steeper veins. Very, very easy. So this is around 230 to 240 pm that they start making their way down the trail with this man. And somewhere along this trail, the man's demeanor completely changes. He goes from being the nice guy next door to just a monster. I don't know how else to say it. Kelsey was walking a little bit ahead and she heard a scream turned around to see the man trying to violently assault, presumably sexually assaults Eva.

Trying to save her friend Kelsey runs over, pull, tries to pull this guy off of her best friend and for a second it works because he's now backed off from Eva. His hands are in the air, but he doesn't run off. Kelsey's hoping, okay now he's gonna know that we're gonna scream, we're gonna shout, people are gonna come and help us. He doesn't back off. Instead, he turns all of his attention to Kelsey now. Put his hands around her neck, starts choking her, and pushing her, basically choking and walking her closer and closer to the gets to the cliff's edge, and then he flings her over the 165 foot drop. 165 feet is like throwing someone off the 17th floor balcony.

Wow. This area part is this is a rocky cliff side. She could land on a sharp rock or a pile of them. I mean, she could keep falling down further. It's not like the bottom is 165 feet away. This is a very, very, very tall cliff. It's worse than a 17th story building. So the man turns to Eva who's trying to fight him off with everything that she has. She's completely scratching up his face, getting his DNA under her nails, but also leaving him with these bright red streaks just across his cheeks, his forehead, but once he was done with her and it's not confirmed,

but it's presumed that he either tried or did essay her. When he was done, he threw her 165 feet off the cliff as well. A complete stranger thought that it was his God-g given right to use a woman for pleasure and throw to woman off the cliff when he was done with them. So when you start spreading of this case, people are pissed off. People are so pissed off at the audacity of this guy. They start going online and saying, okay, well, if it's an eye for an eye, someone throw this man off a cliff. And I completely understand the concept of an eye for an eye, right? A life for a life. But what if what if the two lives are not equal to begin with? That

is the question that a lot of netizens have been having with this case. Troy Bowling is the man that we're talking about. He was known in his neighborhood for walking his cat on a leash. It is unclear if the cat liked it or not. Yeah, we don't know. You can do that. Um, I googled it. It's that most cats don't enjoy it. But you can train them when they're very young to walk on a leash. Fascinating. Fascinating. Yeah. But that was pretty much with the 30-old man's favorite pastime was was going out in Lincoln Park, Michigan, where he lives with his brother and walking his cat. And we don't really know much else about this guy. Everyone said, you know, he's quiet. He minded his own business. I mean, apparently not a single neighbor was like,

oh, that's cool. You walk your cat. Nobody even talked to him. They're like, he just didn't seem that approachable, but he didn't seem mean. Like, we're not approaching him because he's evil and terrifying and violent. We just thought, what an interesting guy. He always just stayed in the house with his brother. If you did pass him on his little catwalk, he just wouldn't make eye contact with you. It was weird. Like, you know how you walk and you're like, okay, we should make eye contact now so we

can like, wave and like do the whole neighbor thing. Yeah, no, he didn't, never made eye contact. And then sometimes you just wouldn't see the guy for weeks at a time. I mean, nobody knew if he's in the house, out of the house, never lived in the house, it's weird. So yeah, we don't know what he was up to. That's what the neighbors are saying.

But we know what he was up to. He was arrested briefly in 2016 on embezzlement charges, but eventually those charges were dismissed. And the rest of his free time, a lot of his close friends said that he spent playing dungeons and dragons. And also, he would tell a bunch of Asian women that he met online, how much he likes Asian women.

Don't even get me started on this, okay? So a woman from Thailand, let's call her CC, CC said that she and Troy met online while they were playing a video game and they just started hitting it off. He seems like a nice guy. He seems really genuine. It was just this cute online friendship

and nothing more. They were texting every day, but that was it. And Troy was actually texting her the whole time that he was up in the mountains. So he had texted her prior to trying to assault and throw two women off of a cliff. She said, I never saw the red flags. I mean, I don't know what he was thinking.

The day of on that mountain, he was sending me pictures of himself on the mountain. He also told me about a random dream that he had last night. The text read, I had a dream that I was sleeping in the room and wanted to open the window to get a breeze. But it was too loud outside, and for most of it I was watching my body and I wasn't in my body if that makes any sense. He texted her that while he was climbing up the mountain. And then he texted her,

I climbed it, it went about 328 feet, only tree roots and branches for stepping and grabbing. Then he sent her another ominous picture. about 328 feet, only tree roots and branches for stepping and grabbing. Then he sent her another ominous picture. It was two people kneeling in a small area that seems really secluded that's overlooking the castle and he texted. Now I get to sit here and look at these two trying to get the perfect insta.

So it's actually speculated that this is him scouting out locations that were secluded and easier to assault people in. He's filling CC in on his very quote normal day right to the point where he tries to murder two Asian women. And one of the last things that I thought about when I was researching Avalue was Cinderella. Because, you know, this is all happening at the Cinderella castle,

and I mean that with the utmost respect. It's not about fairy tales, it's not about love, but she really just didn't feel like she needed a prince charming. That's like what I just kept getting from her story. And ever was the type of person that she knew what she wanted at a young age and worked nonstop ever since she was a kid to get to that point.

She only counted on herself. She had this twin sister named Alice, and the two of them would do everything together. They would run around terrorizing their parents. I'm kidding. But apparently they were these really cute well-behaved kids. Their identical twins, they would wear the same clothes. They played the piano and they had this party trick where one of them would play with their left hand and the other one would play with their right hand and they just had opposite personalities. Alice said that she was super shy and Eva was the one that always encouraged her to get

out there, go talk to people like live a little. They grew up in Canada before moving to the US and eventually Eva would actually work her way into one of the most prestigious programs in the country. She studied computer science at the University of Illinois, which is ranked fifth in the nation for computer science programs. The first four being MIT Stanford, Berkeley, and Carnegie Mellon. Wow. I mean, it's so impressive. Like the amount of things that Eva was able to balance during her life, she would study all day. During the weekends, she would volunteer at church. One time her sister walked in on her in the dorm room. There were two girls in Eva's room. One on the desk, one on the bed, Eva is tutoring the one on the desk

right before her exam, and the other friend was having a mental breakdown on the bed, and Eva was alternating between helping one friend solve a mathematical equation, and then turning around and trying to console her friend that everything was going to be okay. She's doing all of this while maintaining her studies and excelling. So she graduates from the University of Illinois and she secures a full-time position at Microsoft as a software engineer, which is insane, like that's really impressive to have right out of college. She was going to start this year, July 2023, and between May, which is when she graduates, she's got the month of June. She's got most of the month of June before she gets into her first corporate job,

and she's thinking, okay, why don't I do something crazy? Because once I get into this job, it's going to be years of me trying to climb the corporate ladder or trying to find my passion. This is my chance to be free. So she talks to one of her best friends who also just graduated, Kelsey Chang, and they decide let's do a Europe trip. Okay, it sounds crazy, but it's not really crazy because they earned it. They worked their asses off to get through school and they secured their future spots, and now they're just going to spend three weeks seeing the world. I mean, when else are they going to do this? Which side note, Evan, Kelsey, were really safe travelers, not that it would matter even

if they weren't because it doesn't matter. Like, that's just victim blaming, but just to preface, they really were. So they were the type to not stay out after dark, they would review and plan their itinerary really well. They were constantly aware of their surroundings and really only headed to popular populated touristy spots Again, nothing would have changed if they hadn't been doing that, but I'm just stating So the first stop was Budapest then Vienna, Prague and now Germany was their last leg of the tour before they went home Which apparently Munich is one of the prettiest cities in all of Europe. They say that the architecture is breathtaking. The streets are beautiful. There's parks, scenery, lakes, forest. There's all these little cafes and shops around

the city center. But more than that, it's internationally known as one of the safest cities for female tourists. So again, they're like, okay, this is kind of perfect because we're two girls traveling on our own. One of the last things that they wanted to do on this trip was visit the famous Cinderella castle. June 13, 2023, Eric Abernary from New York City. So this is a man from New York City. He was at the castle too. And he had never seen anything like this castle like hear him out. The Brooklyn bridge beautiful. But this this castle is something else. And the bridge that he's on soaking in this side of this beautiful castle, it was insane. And then all of a sudden he sees this red bright red

helicopter just swarming, doing circles. He's like, that's weird. That's really weird. It's getting closer and closer and closer. What are they looking for? So he and other tourists, they start looking under the bridge over the bridge. They're like, what is this helicopter doing here? And it's very loud.

So people start rushing over. Suddenly the council that they all wanted to take pictures of meaningless. Now they want to know what's going on. What is it a mountain climber? Is it some sort of animal? Does someone fall? Eric starts scanning his eyes along the river at the foot of the mountain.

And he sees two young women just on the ground. They look closer to teenagers than anything. One of them was moving but hanging onto a tree. So it looks like she was stuck in a tree or landed on a tree. The other one was laying motionless on the ground. So the crowd, they start dispersing, they start whispering in their own native languages since they're all tourists. And the red helicopter is loud trying to circle the area non-stop. Rescuers are coming down on rope being lowered into the dense tree-lined rocky cliff. It

looked like they were sending down a claw machine. Just trying to catch something, going up, failing, trying to go back down, it was weird. So the rescue mission for the two women, I mean, it was very difficult. The terrain is dangerous. It's impossible for normal police forces to go in and get them, so special Alpine rescue missioners were used. And people were wondering, like, do you think the girls fell?

Do you think they slept fell? Do they slip? Didn't someone lure them over there? I felt like I saw someone go over there with them. When one of the girls was being lifted onto the helicopter, the rest of the tourists could see she was moving. Thank God, she was alive. And she was actually on the phone in that moment. Kelsey would call a ev's twin sister and say,

Alice, he threw us off the cliff. While Kelsey was being rescued on a stretcher, she called Eva's twin to tell her that the man, the man pushed them both off the cliff and he had been trying to assault Eva. So that man was Troy Bowling. He was not that hard to catch. All exits out of the tourist spot were shot off

immediately. 25 emergency vehicles were sent to the scene. I'm talking cars, helicopters, sniffer dogs, like everything. A lot of netizens speculate that Eva actually helped in catching their perpetrator. His face was bright red with all of these wounds from Eva and it was pretty easy to pick them out from the crowd. And he was about to be charged with homicide. Kelsey had survived the fall so she had fallen onto a tree. Now even though she fell 165 feet just like Eva had because she fell on a tree at an angle, it's softened the impact and helped her survive. She was responsive when the rescuers got to her. She was able to talk, able to communicate.

This is kind of a crazy miracle. Falling nearly 165 feet, Kelsey only had minor injuries. A few bruises and scratches, as well as bleeding from like a shallow injury to her head, but other than that, Kelsey was okay. Evolended just a few feet away from her friend, so nearly in the same spot, but she landed flat on the ground. There was no tree there to break her fall, and that would literally be the difference

between life or death. We're not sure the extent of Eva's exact injuries, but she was unresponsive when rescuers arrived, and she would pass away the night of at only 21 years old. She stayed at the hospital more while her family flew in from across the world to be with her. They just wanted to bring her body back home, so the family they flew to Germany, flew back to the US with Eva on Father's Day, June 18th, 2023, Eva's father said it was the most painful Father's Day of his entire life.

And the worst part, the more painful part, is that German prisoners probably live better lives than the average free American citizen. Prisoners in Germany live in rooms. They look more like hotel rooms rather than prison cells. They sleep in proper beds, so not concrete bunk beds with mattress pads thrown on top. Guards at German prisons are advised to knock before going into prisoners rooms. They have privacy. They don't have just bars.

If prisoners are hungry, they can walk to the communal kitchen and cook their own meals. They get paid for work. They have opportunities to leave the prison and hang out with their family, learn skills, get an education. They can even decorate their little hotel room. That's where he's at right now. Yeah. It's said German prisons cells look more like maybe dorm rooms at liberal arts colleges.

You get phones in your hotel cell so that you can call anyone at any time that you want. You can even call the media if that's what you want. You get forks and knives, like real forks and knives. I mean, it honestly doesn't even sound like a prison and I do just want to describe something. I think the US prison system is not great at all. I mean, I've been pretty vocal about wanting to learn more about the system in general and how it targets the underprivileged and clearly Germany is doing something all right

since they have lower crime rates than the US. They have less reoffending criminals. But for this case in particular, a lot of netizens were angered that an American tourist killed two American citizens abroad. He should face American prison. Yeah, yeah. Why is he not here? Because the crime took place in Germany and there is no plan to extradite him to the US.

Wow. Now, a lot of netizens are just really pissed off about all of this. I mean, the idea that he tried to kill two successful hardworking women that would have been incredible figures in their communities, workplaces, and even just in society. Just because he felt like it was his right to, just because he felt like he could, and that he was above them somehow, and he could just discard them like that as if they're objects. So after all of that, he's going to be decorating his little hotel cell with construction paper art and eating snacks on his phone mattress bed while chatting on the phone.

That's crazy. I mean, the idea of that to a lot of netizens was insane. A lot of netizens demanded he be brought back to the US so he could be tried for murder and potentially face the death penalty here since Germany won't do that for him. Most people that are sentenced to life in prison for murder in Germany get out in 15 to 20 years. People argued even if you were to be in the US and get the death penalty, how is this a life for a life if the two lives aren't even equal to begin with. But as of right now, Troy Bowling is being held in Germany in prison on suspicion of murder, attempted murder, and attempted sexual assault.

Germany also has really intense privacy laws when it comes to court cases, so we can kind of assume that's why we just don't have as much information on this case. But the US, I will say once they found out Troy Bowling's name, journalist swarmed his family home trying to get information from his family members, one German reporter stated that when they went to Troy's mom, an astra comment on the incident, she claimed my son wasn't even in Germany. She pretended confused as if the whole thing was just a silly little situation of mistaken identity, which of course added fuel to the fire. I mean more people wanted to know who is this lady, what was she thinking, what kind of

sudden did she raise, is she part of the problem? So she knew it was him. Okay, that's what was reported. It was actually not the truth. The statement that she actually gave to the German reporter was, we have to find out what happened so we won't comment. And somehow it got really twisted in these news reports. And now it's kind of like this belief that his mom was going around. Like, what are you talking about? My son was in Germany.

Yeah. Now a lot of discourse around this case has been around the fetishization of Asian women since apparently Troy told C.C. from Thailand that he was into Asian women, the two women that he attacked and one that he killed was Asian. So, it made sense to a lot of medicines. I mean, the connection, right? But here's what I find fascinating about this case, which side note, apparently he also told C.C. that he was too logical

and too private of a person to make friends and build connections. Listen, anytime someone tries to convince you that they're too logical, like run the other way. He portrayed himself to be this workaholic with a strict discipline schedule. I don't know, it's just weird, but this is the fascinating part, right? Everyone's said that he was never overly creepy. Everyone, people were tracking down old classmates, ex-girlfriends, everyone said, you know, he's not overly friendly, but he was creepy by any means. An old classmate of his said, I remember he had very few friends and he just wasn't the type of person that you would go out of your way to have a conversation with, because it just wouldn't go anywhere. He's a bit odd, very close-up, but never seemed like an angry

kid, never showed any violent tendencies that I can recall. I mean, he's just quiet. Another classmate said, yeah, I mean, nothing's spectacular. And what's fascinating is not that people didn't realize that he had a hidden side of him or that they were blindsided or shocked. It's the fact that most of the people speaking out weren't Asian. Okay, here this theory out. So his ex-girlfriend came out and said that he was totally normal. She said, I just can't think of a time where he was even mean. I can't even think of a time where he was rude or hurtful or disrespectful. Like, it's mind-boggling to me that that happened because he was never violent. He was just this quiet shy guy.

Side note, none. Like, none of these people are defending Troy. Nobody is arguing that what he did is horrendous. They're just giving stories of him since that's what journalists were digging for. So this has nothing to do with them, but it is fascinating because a big part of Asian women fetishization is that Asian women to a lot of these guys are not seen as humans. So these men are typically known to treat women of their race with a lot of respect. But they almost treat Asian women like sex dolls.

Yeah, I just don't imagine someone can flip a switch and just toss someone off the cliff. What an action to take. He didn't snout. It's not even like just punching someone, right? Throwing someone off the cliff. What kind of, right? That is crazy. Yeah, so that's why I think,

I don't think it's a little fascinating. The way that people are saying, no, he wasn't even violent. And I think it's, no, because you weren't the demographic in which he felt these urges. And that's why these fetishes, they're dangerous, they're scary. He just probably didn't see Asian women as humans. That's really a big part of the discourse around Asian women

being fetishized. They're often seen as objects. Like there's this narrative and grain and culture that Asian women are submissive, that they'll do whatever you want. They're soft. They don't mind doing domestic chores. They live to please. And there's some wild forums out there where men will talk about all these women, and I'm

not saying that they're very respectful, but like the ones that have these fetishes when it comes to talking about Asian women are swear it's some of the most vile stuff that you will ever see. There was this one guy who posted on a forum. He's posting about his own daughter. Okay, this is a white man posting about his own daughter. His daughter is a half Japanese because his wife is Japanese, right? His own flesh and blood.

And he wrote in the forum about how his daughter is a quote, gaysha fucked all. And he is contemplating assaulting her. His own daughter, another forum had a man asking like full sincerity. He's like, genuinely, I just need help like hand to my heart. I have a genuine question Please take me seriously Can I still be a white supremacist if I want to sleep with East Asian women?

What yeah Huh what a question. Oh yeah, but he was like genuine like, oh guys, I'm really confused about this. In a separate forum, there was a an article titled 12 Commandments Asian Women Must Follow When Dating White Masters. And it included, and it was not limited to, never sleeping with anyone other than the white master, especially never other Asian men or black men. Also if the Asian woman ever gets sick, gains weight or loses her youth or stops being obedient, they can be sold off or sent back to China or wherever they came from.

So I just think it's a little fascinating. In other cases, you know, people are saying things like, oh, I had no idea since he was so nice. And I'm like, yeah, well, you really never know when people do crazy things. You never know what they're thinking behind closed doors. But this one, a lot of the discourses, it just, it doesn't seem like he was that good at hiding himself. Just all the people coming out saying that he was nice were not Asian women. So we genuinely don't know if he had been terrorizing

Asian women his whole life. We don't know. And then another part of the discourse was, it's not even about Asian women, it's just the audacity. Like a lot of women were so pissed because Eva worked so hard to get to where she was. And a man decided, hey, you know what? I'm just going to throw them off a cliff because I'm not getting what I want from their bodies.

How do you get to a point where you that even makes sense in your head? So I guess we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out in Germany. During Eva's funeral, Alice, her twin sister gave a really touching speech about how much Eva has been there for her. She had always been looking out for her and even provided financial support for her sister, even they're the same age, they're twins. And she said, Alice, go focus on school. If you're stressed about money, I can work, I can send you money, I just want you to do well." Alice said, I've grown very accustomed to knowing that Eva will always be there for me, and

at the risk of sounding like I'm in denial, I know she will always be there for me. A close friend of Eva said, Life is a bit darker right now. Eva had a big heart, bigger heart than just about anyone I've ever met, but I'm finding comfort in knowing that she's still here. She lives on in Alice and in her family and in her family members and love doesn't go away because a person goes away. And that is the crazy story of the recent murder that took place at the real life Cinderella castle. What are your thoughts? I mean this one I genuinely was at such a loss

for words while I'm researching because I mean, what can I say that hasn't already been said, right? What are your thoughts? Please leave it in the comments and I will see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode. Bye!