Rotten Mango - #318: 7 Husbands Drugged & Assaulted Each Other’s Wives & Live-Streamed It For Their “Boy Chatroom”

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

They each had a fantasy of watching their wives be intimate with other men. The only problem was that their wives were not open to the idea. The 7 husbands gathered on an online forum to talk about how they weren’t going to let their own wives get in the way of fulfilling their dreams. They felt they were entitled to this.  For the next 8 years, the men would plot, drug, and facilitate the assaults of their own wives all the while filming it for their online chatrooms. They had dreams of impregnating each other’s spouses and they laughed at how their wives had no clue that they were being betrayed and assaulted in the worst ways possible.  This is the shocking case of how a group of husbands created a trafficking network - where the victims were their own wives.  Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bramble. Better being better boo. James was going to take his wife to the best hotel in the city. Marina Bay Sands in Singapore. It's the three buildings and what looks like a spacecraft sitting on top of the three buildings. Yes. The top is actually the largest infinity pool in the entire world.

It is like the equivalent of being in a pool on the 100th floor, about 1,100 feet up in the sky. It's a five star hotel that a lot of couples in Singapore, they'll even do stacations there, because truly, like what is more romantic than taking a swim overlooking the entire city? And it's not cheap. The most affordable room starts at around $500 a night, but you can also book a lover's suite.

That's gonna cost you around like $1 $500 a night, but you can also book a lover's suite. That's going to cost you around like $1,500 per night. This is a luxury resort. But James didn't care. He said no expenses are going to be spared. He just really wanted to splurge on his wife, Jennifer. They were going through the thick of life. They're raising four daughters together. I mean, nothing in life at this point seemed easy anymore. Everything about being a parent was just exhausting. And both of them deserve some rest. So they spent all day just lounging in hotel robes, go into the spa, ordering room service. By the end of the night, Jennifer excused herself to the restroom to go take a shower. James is waiting in the hotel room, waiting for the water to turn on. Waiting to hear the sound of his wife open and close the shower door behind her. And then he pounced. He pounced on her phone. This was the

whole purpose of the trip. James wanted to see what was in that damn phone. He went through her messages. He went through all of her messaging apps, WhatsApp, all of that. And then finally he clicked on Facebook Messenger. He went through all of her messaging apps, WhatsApp, all of that. And then finally, he clicked on Facebook Messenger. He starts speed scrolling through her messages. He knows exactly what he's looking for in here. He had a sneaking suspicion this whole time. And there it was. Messages between James' friend Owen and his wife, Jennifer. So he starts scrolling to see what they're talking about. And it was bad. Jennifer, the wife, is telling Owen

that they were at the Marina Bay Sands resort. And Owen is kind of teasingly asking her, oh, are you gonna wear a bikini? Are you gonna swim at the pool? Okay, you know, it's bad, but maybe it's explainable. James keeps scrolling. There were messages James found where Jennifer, his wife, is telling Owen all these intimate

details about her marriage with James. She said that whenever James asks her to sleep with him, she doesn't even know how to respond. She doesn't even want to respond. He just isn't doing it for her anymore. If she felt obligated to sleep with him, she would just close her eyes and imagine that it was Owen instead. Oh my gosh. James had confirmation that his wife was cheating on him with his friend. James said that he just felt this like strong sense of betrayal.

I'm so sorry. Owen is his friend. Owen is James' friend. But he didn't even feel the betrayal coming from his wife. He felt it coming from Owen. They had a deal. Owen wasn't supposed to flirt with James' wife. He was only supposed to R word her. How can it be R word when they're both choosing to sleep with each other when they're both choosing to have an affair that wasn't part of the plan? James decided that day to take matters into his own hands. So on his three year anniversary with his wife, he would drug her, invite Owen over and watch

as Owen's assaulted her unconscious body. He would end up liking this experience so much that for the next eight years, he would find like-minded husbands on online forums and they would drug and assault each other's wives all the while recording possible for Rotten Mangle to support the national network to end domestic violence. They are a nonprofit that focuses on creating a social, political, and economic environment in which partner-related workplace and stalking violence no longer exist. They also provide legal resources that are very easy to read in simple words and provide survivors with how to get a restraining order and so much more. I'm gonna leave all the links in the description

but this episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mingo's growing team of dedicated researchers and translators that work from all around the world and we would also like to thank you for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates of these causes. As always, full show notes are available at rottenminglepodcast.com. This case does involve heavy conversations of essay so if you're not in the headspace for that or if you feel like, okay, maybe this is too much, take it easy, go watch a funny show, relax, and just remember to take care of yourself. We will see you in the next run.

With that being said, this case does take place in Singapore and due to their intense privacy laws, all parties involved in today's case cannot be named, not even the perpetrators due to gag orders imposed by the court. In most online articles, all the perpetrators are given a single letter, alias, so j, k, l, m, n, o, p. And in court documents, they were referred to as CEG, CEK, CEL, and so on and so forth, which which is make it so incredibly hard to follow for this episode. So I'm going to give everyone involved a nickname with their court designated letter to make it easier to follow. And for clarity, the nicknames of the wives of the perpetrators are going to start with the same letter. So for example, James is Jay,

and his wife will be called Jennifer in this episode. Kevin, his wife will be called Kathy in this episode, and so on and so forth. And so one last disclaimer before we get started. Like I said, this case takes place in Singapore, and this is not, I mean, I don't think I need to say this, but this is not a representation or even a judgment of Singapore or Singaporeans.

Evil people literally exist everywhere and it's not like they exclusively stay in a single country. In fact, Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the whole world. So just keep that in mind. And as always, with foreign cases, if there's anything more that you'd like us to know about the case or something that's been miscommunicated, please leave it in the comments. Now let's

get started. James was a former safety officer who was now trying to make a name for himself live streaming. He had set up all the cameras and he was researching up the mics. He didn't set up the mics yet because they're a bit trickier. He needed to think a little bit more about where am I gonna put it? Where's the best placement for the mics to pick up all the good sounds? But at least the cameras were up. So he starts live streaming straight away. He's texting all of his friends a link to his live stream and he's asking if they could

kindly come and support him. Almost every single one of his friends showed up to every single live stream in the beginning. Even though there were no mics set up, they couldn't hear a single thing that James was doing or saying, nothing, just video, no audio. They showed up to give their unwavering support and encouragement. They were James' brothers, you know? After his lengthy live streams, that usually happened in the middle of the night. His friends would stay up even if they had worked the next day just to watch, just to support. Afterward, his friends would flood the group chat with, nice show, those very well done, you thought of every detail, we loved it.

You keep getting better and better at this. Keep it up. James is getting off on this praise. He would smile, dim the lights on his phone so that his sleeping wife wouldn't see what he's doing, and he would re-watch his own live stream. The one where he was engaging in intimate relations with his wife. His wife was completely unaware that there were hidden cameras installed in the corner of their bedroom ceilings, live streaming everything to James' closest friends. His family friends, his best friends, and all of his little online buddies that he met on Sammy Boy.

Have you heard of Sammy Boy? Mm-hmm. So the forum, Sammy Boy, has two worlds. You've got Sammy Boy, Alfresco Coffee Forum, and then the Asian Values Forum. So the Sammy Boy Alfresco Coffee Forum is not about coffee. What, what, what, Sammy Boy is a... It's like a website.

It's like Reddit, right, Reddit.com, sammyboy.com, but there's two sides of Sammy Boy. So imagine if there is like the regular side of Reddit and then the dark side of Reddit. I mean, you could argue that is how Reddit operates. But Sammy Boy is pretty distinct in how different it is. So the light side of Sammy Boy is called Sammy Boy's Alfresco Coffee Forum.

And contrary to the name, it's not about coffee. I mean, this part of Sammy Boy really does kind of feel like Reddit. A little bit. I mean, it's much less moderated than the big subs on Reddit, but to just give you a general idea, the top threads of the day on this part are usually linked to current events, current news, religion, immigration. I mean conversations about international news, what's going on with the local government in Singapore. People

go on there to talk about just all sorts of random things. They go there to get opinions to ask questions to analyze everything that's happening in the news cycle. That's the lighter side of Sammy boy. The dark side of Sammy Boy is called the Asian values forum. What a name. So that side of Sammy Boy is infamous and it's frequently in mainstream media news cycles for having explicit materials, trafficking illegal hidden spy cam footage and illegal upskirt photos being uploaded onto that forum. Now, side note, if you go to Sammy Boy's FAQ page where they have, you know, all the frequently asked questions, they named the explicit side of their forum Asian values, because originally it was called the commercial scene in Singapore, but a lot of people complained

that they couldn't look at it while they were at work because of the URL domain. Their bosses would think of it. So, so they're not hiding this information? Like this is like publicly like, hey, come to my site for these type of content. You don't understand how many hours of me and a few of the other members on the RM team have been on Sammy Boyd.com basically the best.

So it is a very questionable form. Very questionable. I will say it doesn't even compare to Reddit and how questionable it is. I know that Reddit has kind of a sour history where a lot of dark things have happened through Reddit, but Sammy Boy is like unregulated town. I would maybe consider it more on par with 4chan,

is the vibe. Yeah, it's really intense. Now, a lot of people complained when it was called the commercial X-scene in Singapore. They couldn't look at it at work because their bosses would get a list of all the URL domains that they would access while they were at work. And that's very obvious that it's a nasty website. That's why they changed it to Asian values forum, which is, consider it, I guess.

So the forum was started as a Yelp page for sex work. Now, to give you some more context, this work is legal in Singapore, but it is highly, highly, highly regulated. There is only one single legal red light district in Singapore. There are more than like a hundred brothels in there, but they're heavily monitored by a division in the Singapore police force. Each brothel has to be properly licensed, and it's estimated to cost about a million dollars to even set up a brothel.

The law dictates that each brothel has to organize regular medical checkups for the workers. All the workers themselves have to be licensed and come from one of the five following countries, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore. All of them need to be medically registered in Singapore. So, it started as a place to review different brothels in different happy-ending massage therapy places. It's like Yelp for the red light district. That's why it started the forum. And while some of that still exist,

it's kind of branched off into this general conversations about anything explicit. It's just dumped onto Sammy boy. There are threads for explicit fantasy stories Threads for conversations about special interest kinks, right and it's just a general place for people to gather and talk about very explicit things but there is Barely any moderation. I mean, it's kind of weird. It seems like they take moderation seriously when it comes to things like shit posting. That's what they call it, where you just like mass post the same thing on different threads, but not much moderation in the sense of posting questionable, if not illegal content. Sammy Boyd themselves wrote on their website, juvenile crap will be deleted.

This forum is not for pimple-faced teenagers to discuss their first wet dream or to ask about where the girl's body parts are located. If you want to learn about the basics of adult activity, ask your teacher or your dad. Sammy's forums are designed for experienced fornicators. Wow. You can even pay a premium monthly membership,

which is about $18 a month. And that comes with the promise that the content that you post will not be moderated at all. So it's kind of turned into this breeding ground for questionable activity. The header of the premium membership says, please note, this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics, and absolute nut jobs. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense, please leave now.

Sammy Boy, Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here. To give you even more context on what kind of threats can be found on there, many threats are some sort of variation of, come share your wife pick. yeah, which is done with or without the wife's consent and usually we're talking about explicit photos. We're not talking about profile pictures. Another one is called upscirting my employer. Both are explicit threads and the upscirting employer thread

is just, I mean, it's really illegal. It's exactly what it sounds. It's for people who want to post illegally taken up skirt photos of female colleagues in the workplace. Which, I mean, we've heard of this happening in subways or very busy areas where people feel like they can just take up skirt photos of strangers. But to take illegal up skirt photos of your colleagues

that you're interacting with on a professional level on a daily basis, it's like a notch above on the scale of messed up in the legal. There's explicit revenge videos posted on Sammy Boy, pictures and videos of girlfriends and wives being shared without their knowledge nor their consent, and you would think that most people would be so turned off by this. I was getting freaked out on there, I genuinely felt like the FBI was going to knock on my door because I don't know why so much of the threads

just felt so illegal. Like how am I accessing this website? It sounds super illegal. I don't know how any of them are not being investigative for the things that they're doing, you know? A lot of people were arrested because of Sammy Boy. And this is probably one of the biggest ones but it's still operating very similarly

to what it was before. It's just crazy. I mean, you would think that most people would be turned off by something that's so blatantly illegal and immoral, but one college student from Singapore, who is an active user of Sammy Boy. He said, you know, I actually go to Sammy Boy for the non-concentral content.

He said it was so much better than the conventional x-rated websites because in those videos, he's like, you know, there's like a whole production team. There's paid actors. They're not really having fun. They're not really like enjoying the activity. Whereas the content on Samy Boy, it's so much more authentic. He said he was addicted. He said the only way he would stop consuming

this illegal content is probably the day he dies. He said sometimes if he sits there for too long and thinks about it, he kind of feels a little guilty for enjoying such content, but then he thinks, you know what, no matter what, someone's gonna post this content. And just because I stop watching, doesn't mean people will stop posting.

So if the content is out there, and I watch it, and I don't watch it, like what difference does it make? He said, I know it's wrong, but what can they do to me? He said, technically, he's just streaming explicit videos, which is legal. The people that should be in trouble are the ones uploading and downloading the content.

And a few did get in trouble. There was this fantasy story writer on Sammy Boy, who was jailed for uploading hidden camera footage to accompany his stories. So he would write these really intense, vulgar, ex-rated stories like fantasies, their fake, fictitious stories. But then he would throw in real life hidden camera footage

pictures to accompany the stories at the right parts where he felt like, ooh, this matches the scene. But the worst part of all of this is the explicit photos that he used were all women that he personally knew. He went into his mother-in-law's house and installed secret cameras into her bathroom. He took photos and videos of his sister- lost showering, uploaded them to Sammy Boy. He's a church guy. He went to all of his church friends' houses and installed hidden cameras into one of his

church friends' homes, watched her shower, uploaded to Sammy Boy. He was finally caught, but there's more. There's so many incidents like this. Do we know what his sentence was? A few years. And I mean, this forum just gives very, very, very, very strong, bro energy. And I'm not just saying that. A lot of the commentators on there actually call each other, S-B-F-Bro, which means

Sammy Boy Forum Bro. There's a whole Sammy Boy dictionary that you can go to, which has shorthand abbreviated terms, and a lot of them deal with women's bodies and actions. Tarma means when there's three parties involved in explicit activities. There's a word for a regular looking average girl. There's another word for a hot girl, a hot female. That's what they call it.

Thailand is abbreviated into LOS, the land of smiles. And I'm sure that they're not referring to the TripAdvisor recommended activities to do in Thailand. I'm sure they're hinting at the industry in Thailand. Then you have papaya farm, which means Horehouse, PCN means Lousy Service, and you know what kind of service I'm talking about. There's OMFIA

MP, which I felt like was unnecessarily long, but it stands for One Man's Food is Another Man's Poison, which is typically used to describe women that you think are ugly, but other people think are pretty. And there's E-M-A. This is a very commonly used term on Sammy Boy and it stands for extra marital affairs. There was a post made on Sammy Boy about a woman who found out that her husband was cheating on her through his Sammy Boy account. He was using the forum to look for happy-ending massage parlors that give extra services.

Her husband was in the comments giving reviews of some of these places saying things like, oh, the service at this place was not bad, my leaf face. And this woman, this wife, she took to Sammy Boy to kind of talk about how she has very low self confidence from all of this. She did some investigating and it turns out that her husband made the account right after she gave birth to their first child. And now she thinks about it and she says, maybe it's my fault because after I gave birth he tried to initiate intimate relations and I just wasn't in the mood after

giving birth but now I'm wondering if maybe it's my fault because I kept saying no. So now he's on Sammy boy looking for, you know, ex-workers. The original post was on a different website in forum and she was genuinely looking for advice. It got reposted to Sammy boy. The comments were brutal. They wrote, dumb woman, if you treat him like a man that he deserves to be, all this wouldn't have happened.

This woman should go and learn from those derogatory term for Chinese women on how to seduce women. The only way to prevent your hubby from starving is to quote feed him with as much activity as possible. The lady in the story clearly took things for granted. She practically pushed him into the brothels. What an idiotic woman. So yeah, that's what's on Sammy Boy. And you know how on Reddit, there are subs that you can go on and ask for relationship advice. Knowing what you know now about Sammy Boy,

would you go on there with the intention of finding real applicable tips on how to better your relationship? Probably not. It's like the last place that you would post about it. Like, is this really the place to go to learn about how to be better connected to your partner? I mean, I went to the most generic thread for marriage advice on Sammy Boy. The original poster was asking about what being married is like, and any advice since he's about to get married soon? Which side note, even the original post was so alarming. The OP wrote,

I guess my girlfriend's biological body probably needs a home. I really do like her, so I don't really mind marrying her. It ends with any good and sound advice from you senior guys here who have been through this life-changing milestone. The top responses are, marriage is not a word, but a sentence, a life sentence. In the classic, you're not very smart boy, why buy a cow when the milk is very cheap at the market?

And another, you can still cheat on her while she's at university. Someone commented, post her photo, that's needed to make a sound decision. Which leads me again to believe, perhaps, this is not the best place to be looking for marriage advice. Like if you genuinely want to work on your marriage, right? James disagreed. James had some very intense relationship marriage trauma that he wanted to talk to someone about. To give you some context, James and Jennifer, they got married in 2008. One year into the marriage, Jennifer was pregnant with their very first daughter.

They're going to go on to have four daughters, right? This is their first kid. This is a beautiful moment for the both of them. They're both so excited. They're nesting. They're setting up the nursery. And James is continuously showing that excitement by sleeping with another woman, the whole time that Jennifer is pregnant with their daughter.

Jennifer catches him. Now, we don't have more details on this, but we do know that she probably found out, and for a long list of reasons, she ends up staying with him. It's pretty clear though that the infidelity while she's pregnant, I mean, it's going to take a massive toll on their relationship. It's going to take a massive toll on her mental state. James said that Jennifer would bring up his cheating all the time. And each time she brought it up, she would have so much anger and hurt in her voice and she would say something along the lines of, well, if you can cheat on me, I can cheat on you too, you know? James wrote on the Sammy Boy Forum that his wife was making him, quote, live

in fear and anxiety. He said he was living in fear. He was worried, so sick of worrying and so anxious that his wife might actually cheat and be unfaithful. And the idea of that made him want to throw up. While he is worried sick, he showed his wife a video of two men and a woman. Okay, doing intimate things. And he tells her, this is something I want to do. She told him, are you crazy? Are you out of your mind? I'm not doing that.

We're not bringing another man into our bedroom. And he goes on to Sammy Boyd to say after everything that we've been through, after she keeps rubbing this in my face like, well, I can cheat on you too. She can't even give me this on one hand He's living in fear that his wife is gonna cheat on him on the other hand His ultimate fantasy was to have another man join them in the bedroom and she just turned him down So he goes on to Sammy Boy to vent out all of his frustrations Now we don't really know exactly what kind of responses or advice he was receiving, but this is a website that has a full on thread of men even debating the pros and cons of

cheating on their wives. There's a whole thread. I was on there for like an hour because I was just so appalled. Pros and cons of cheating on your wife. I wonder if they write any cons or is it just all pros, no cons? Yes, some people wrote cons and they said, you know, once trust is broken, it's broken. Which is a very generic thing to say. But one commentator wrote, I guess when the opportunity comes, I cheat.

If my wife does the same, though, I can't accept it. A painful revenge is the easy way out. Why do I do this? And why am I like this, you ask? Because I'm an asshole and I don't give a f***. The truth is, I'm quite sure that I'm no different than most of the men on this thread. So that's great. One person wrote the idea that they don't think cheating is good. They said you should not cheat, but they said it like this. I think actual desires and needs will never be fully fulfilled.

There are certain fantasies which I can never tell my wife about. Also, I can't turn her into a hot Latina model, but I gotta use my brain, so I'm not gonna cheat on my wife. This is the pool of people we're dealing with. And when James goes to write about how his wife has been holding a grudge against him since he cheated on her while she was pregnant, He said he knows this because she quote, repeatedly tells me that if I can do as such, she can do the same as well. Since then, I have been living in fear and suspense.

He also stated recently that Jennifer, his wife, has been acting cold towards him, and there's been a shift. He suspects that she is sleeping with her boss. They've been getting closer and closer together. It doesn't even feel like a work relationship anymore. He said, I'm worried that this is heading towards something that might go wrong. He posts this in the comments, start pouring in personally. I mean, I think they're ill-advised suggestions, but they're all along the lines of, if she stayed with you after you cheated on her, that means she forgave you. She can't hold this over your head and you shouldn't have to live in fear all day

My poor sweet boy. Have you thought about setting a trap for your wife? At least that way you'll know for sure. She's cheating or not At least that way you don't have to deal with the anxiety of not knowing for certain That is when James decides to set up a honey trap These are services that you can actually purchase to test your partner's loyalty. They exist not just in Singapore, but like all over the world. You could do it in the US.

I've seen TikTokers do it. There's one TikToker who made her whole career off of being a honey trap over the call it like a honey. So this is very different from hiring a private investigator because you have suspicions that your partner is cheating. This is hiring someone to go out of their way, hunt down your significant other online or in person, and flirt with them. See if they're willing to cheat on you. This is a

honey trap. Nowadays, you can pay a platform about $100, hire a tester to flirt with your partner online to see if they'll respond. And if they ignore it or flat out deny the tester, that'll be sent to the wife or the husband. And these days, the honey's, the testers, they never even meet with their subjects. It's all done online. They just message them, trying to get a response out of them. They send screenshots to the partners as proof. But James, James wanted more.

He's like, if I'm setting a honey trap for my wife, they're gonna sleep with my wife. It's really weird because James did not want to divorce his wife. So I have heard of people trying to do honey traps when they're in custody battles. They'll hire a professional honey to try and get some sort of evidence of an affair of infidelity because this works against them in child custody battles. But this, I don't know what James' end game is here. He's just trying to be like, uh-huh, I don't know. He just wants someone to sleep with his wife

and he felt like this guy named Owen from Sammy Boy was the perfect fit. James chose Owen because Owen drove a BMW. Yeah, James said, I chose him eventually because my wife's ex-boyfriend drove a BMW, so I just, I assumed. I mean, based off that assumption, it seems like James thinks his wife is someone that's just interested in material goods and would be tempted by any man that drove a BMW. He decides, okay, perfect, Owen is gonna try and sleep with my wife and I'm going to help him. Everybody else on this thread is warning James, telling him, like, do not trust this Owen guy.

I'm telling you right now, things aren't gonna go well for you, James. Owen has a history of being very sneaky on these threads. So he's trying to have another guy, Owen, sleep with a wife or seduce a wife as a honey. Seduce the wife and eventually sleep with the wife. Oh, okay. It's really weird.

So he's saying, I'm so scared my wife is cheating on me. So I'm going to set up a date with her with another man so she can cheat on me. Okay. Is what he's saying, basically. So he's not scared the wife. He just want to watch it. He just wants to watch it. Yeah, basically that's what's happening. He just wants to watch it. Yeah, basically, that's what's happening.

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abundance lever or simplicity lever? And every episode includes a happiness hack, a quick easy shortcut to more happiness. Listen and follow the podcast, Happier with Gretchen Rubin. podcast happier with Gretchen Rubin. James adds Owen on Skype and they start planning together. James is like, okay, here's my wife's Facebook account.

Let's set you up a new fake persona. They create a Facebook profile by the name of Brad Chan. They add some people, add some pictures to make it look very realistic. And then he starts DMing Jennifer. So now Owen is direct messaging Jennifer James is wife and I'm sure James gave Owen the rundown of all the things that his wife likes Doesn't like so that they could just hit it off right away and they do every single day It seems like James is Obsessively checking his phone for reports from Owen He wants to know what did she say?

Did she flirt with you? Did she send you a picture? Did you guys respond? Are you guys going to meet up yet? When? So the two, Owen and Jennifer, they talk online for about a month until finally Jennifer agrees to meet up with him in person. They go to the local park to grab dinner.

And I don't know what James is feeling. I'm sure it's a mix of emotions. I'm sure he's upset that his wife would actually meet up with another man. And for a romantic dinner date at the park, with all of that, I mean, there's probably some sort of anger there, right? But he also seems oddly excited.

He wanted Owen to report back every little detail about that first date. And I feel like we all know how this is going to end. It's not going to end well. After the dinner Owen starts messaging James again on Skype and he's telling him, well yeah, we shared a bottle of wine together and intimacy wise, we did hold hands for a while, then I hugged her and we kissed. So the first date, it goes so well that the two they make plans to meet each other again. This time that they're going to go for lunch at another park nearby.

Now after this date, this is when things start getting interesting. Owen reports back to James again. Yeah, it was more or less the same thing as the first date, you know, wine, handholding, making out, yeah, same stuff. That's it. Owen apparently lied. He didn't tell James that their second date went so well that the two of them found a hotel afterwards

and had full, full relations. And maybe sneaky little Owen was starting to like Jennifer because he starts distancing himself from James. He starts acting like the whole thing with James' wife is kind of fizzling out. And I'm not really talking anymore. She hasn't really responded. We're not really into it anymore.

When reality, Owen and Jennifer are texting even more now. They're getting even closer. This goes on for like two months until October 26, 2010. James took his wife on a staycation. The one at the Marina Bay Sands found the text messages of her talking about how she wishes she was sleeping with Owen instead of her husband, and James immediately confronts Jennifer. But instead of telling his wife, hey, I snoop through your phone, he said, you know what,

our neighbor stopped by the other day to talk to me. They said that they were out and they saw you walking into a hotel with another man, holding hands. Jennifer didn't even try to deny it. She just admitted it very swiftly. She's like, yeah, I'm having enough air. But she told James that I'm done talking to the guy. We're no longer seeing each other if that matters. Why not?

Well, because he brought up the idea of a threesome. So Owen had allegedly suggested to Jennifer that he wanted to sleep with Jennifer and her husband at the same time. Jennifer has no idea that Owen even knows James. Jennifer was so grossed out by this suggestion she blocked him on all platforms soon after. So it seems like James forgave her. Or at least Jennifer was under the impression that her husband was over it. They were moving on from it.

And I'm sure Jennifer felt a little bit of guilt about what happened and how it must have made her husband feel. She had no clue that James was the one that said Owen up to talk to her, that he had been getting detailed reports from Owen about everything that they talked about, at least in the beginning. And now she's got no clue that James is still talking to Owen over Skype. James tells Owen, change of plans. He wanted Owen to fully assault his wife while he watched, and it was going to happen on

their three-year wedding anniversary. A symbolic moment. March 14, 2011. James hands Jennifer a glass of wine. She takes it and she clinks it next to his. Like they had been through a lot, you know, marriages tough having kids is rough, overcoming and fidelity is even tougher, but at least today is something we're celebrating. They've been married for three years. Jennifer takes a sip and another. The wine was spiked with crushed up sleeping pills.

It was odorless, tasteless, colorless, and it was a little weird that she felt very drunk very fast, but she could have thought maybe she didn't eat before she drank. Maybe she was just drunk off the energy or the love in the house that night. And just like that, she's out cold. And this is in the safety of her home, just like keep that in mind. One moment she's drowsy from the wine, the next minute, unresponsive. James text Owen and waits for him. In the meantime, he drags his wife's limp body to the bed, blindfolds her, just in case

she wakes up and opens her eyes. And he's patiently waiting for this man to get here, the man who's having an affair with his wife to come over and now assault his wife while he watched. James said that he has two distinct memories from the very first time that this happened, because it's going to happen again and again and again. And this is from James, so take it with a grain of salt. He said he remembered Owen as saying his wife. He remembered watching it.

And then after he left, James said he remembered cleaning his wife up and crying and sobbing, asking himself, what have I done, what have I done? James said on one hand, he felt so guilty, but on the other hand, there was this excitement of watching Oh, and assay his wife. It didn't feel real, he said.

He said, even today, I cannot imagine myself standing there and watching, but he did. And then he wouldn't shut up about it. He starts going on all these random Sammy boy threads about wife swapping, which, you know, it's not wife swapping what he's doing. And he starts making friends with random people

on the internet that have the same interest as him. And he shares the story of what happened with Owen. And one of the guys, his name is Matt. Matt is like, that's so intriguing. I wanna be a part of this. Please let me be a part of this. James is like, oh yeah, you wanna turn? Let me give you a turn.

James drugs his wife, Jennifer, once more, making sure that she's unconscious, and waits for another man to come into their house where their four daughters live. They've got four kids, four daughters, and a man that he met online is coming over to assault his wife while the kids are asleep. And he's watching yet again.

This time, he even took it a step further and started recording the entire thing. He wanted photos and videos to remember the assault by. And for eight years, he would drug his wife, the mother of his four daughters, he would drug her, drag her unconscious body to the bed, their marital bed where she supposed to feel the safest and the most protective, and James would invite men from the internet over to assault his wife while he not only watched but started taking videos and photos. Soon, more people on Sammy Boy started being intrigued by James and his wife.

They all wanted to join. James connected with a man named Kevin on Sammy Boy and Kevin was like, James, I want the same thing that you're doing, right? But my wife Kathy is just like Jennifer. You know, I thought it would be perfect because your wife and my wife, like, we could swap wives, if you will, but Kathy would never in a million years. Like, she would never consent to it. So they decided, okay, then Kathy can also be drugged.

It's no big deal. And they start developing an M.O. At this point, James had already drugged his wife before, but this is when they really start having like a system. They started drugging the woman with something called dormicum as a sedative. It's categorized as a benzodiazepine, and it's unique for being very fast-acting.

If injected, it takes about five minutes to kick in, if it's taken orally, it only takes about 15 minutes, and it dissolves in water, it's odorless, colorless, tasteless, It's a terrifying date rig. And if you remember the burning sun case, this is a very similar type of drug. The drugs are metabolized and they leave the system really quickly, typically within a day.

So it's even harder to catch, at least on the police investigation front. And I don't even think I need to tell you about how dangerous that is, especially since the husband's planned on mixing it with their wives alcoholic beverages, that's even more reckless. So they're already risking their wife's health and life by administering this sedative without a prescription, and even more so by mixing it into alcohol. A doctor who has knowledge on this said that when this

drug is mixed in with alcohol, increasing the dosage without waiting to see the actual effect, coupled with the alcohol intake, there dosage without waiting to see the actual effect, coupled with the alcohol intake, there's a very high risk of over sedation, which could lead to suppression of breathing, which could in turn lead to inadequate oxygen in the blood. In severe cases, this can lead to brain damage. A sedated person is unconscious and therefore unable to avoid any visible danger and could potentially even ingest their own vomit into their lungs and die. It could be fatal, but they were like, no, this is perfect because you don't remember a single thing when you wake up.

You don't even have like a feeling. You have, it's just a blank space. Someone cut it out of your memory. Kevin invites James over after dragging his wife Kathy and he watched as James assaulted Kathy. So now James went from being the watcher to the Assalter. He took photos and videos and James wanted more men to come and assault his wife, but he also wanted to assault more men's wives.

It's very complicated. In the end, these monsters just wanted to physically, mentally, emotionally violate the person that they're supposed to love and respect the most. And they just kept this sick little cycle going, adding more people in from Sammy Boy. Kevin invited James over to assault his wife Kathy, then he decided he was going to assault his wife right after James. I mean, I don't believe for a second that any of these guys felt guilty about anything that they did.

Even now they're crying and moaning about how remorseful they are, I don't think so. At one point, James just straight up asks and demands to assault an ex-wife of one of the husbands. So remember the guy named Matt, who came over and assaulted Jennifer? Yes. They met their Sammy boy and James helped Matt assault his wife, Jennifer. And now he's like, it's my turn. But the problem is, Matt's like, well, I'm no longer married.

My ex-wife, Mary, she still lives with me, but we're not together. James is like, that's fine. She doesn't have to be your wife for me to assault her. James wanted a very twisted tit for tat, like I give you one and I for an eye. Come on. So he waited until Jennifer was out of town for a work trip. He told Matt to bring his ex-wife Mary over under the guise that James would have some work opportunities for her. He spiked her drink, assaulted her.

So not only is James having men from the internet come over to assault his wife and their family home, but when his wife goes out of town, he's having another woman come over so that he can drug and assault her all in their family home where they again raise four daughters. Mary was drugs and it was said that she was slurring her words before she fell unconscious. Matt, her ex-husband helped proper up so that James could assault her and they made sure to get a ton of pictures and videos from it. Not that they needed to, because before Matt and Mary even got there, James had turned on all the secret cameras so that he was able to livestream the whole assault to all of

their buddies on Sammy Boy. So it wasn't an open livestream where anybody on Sammy Boy could watch. You needed a password, but a lot of people could watch. When they were done, James kept Mary's undergarments so that he could gift it to one of the boys in the group later. He gave them to a guy named Nick. I actually did manage to find one of James' comments on a thread. In a thread titled, quote, most perverted things done question mark,

James, he had like four different accounts on one of his accounts called newbie2allthis. He wrote, my most recent experience was to invite an SPF bro over to my place to watch my wifey's ex videos and pics. And if they got a fetish for her lingerie, I let them help themselves to her wardrobe and laundry basket. It's so nice to see especially young guys lusting over my wife. LOL. Can it even be considered as some sort of

perversion? What? Basically being like, is this really even that perverted? A lot of people were responding to his post saying, wow, can you invite me to I love panties? Hi, bro. Can you invite me over next time? I hope I can join this group. So James is loving it. He keeps posting videos and photos of his wife being assaulted by other men. They would add little captions to the photos and videos.

So Kevin would send videos to James of James assaulting Kevin's wife Kathy. And he would write to James, it would be nice if you managed to knock up my wife Kathy. What? Which like, we don't even need to go down that road of deciphering how messed up that is. They've already tried to strip Kathy of her bodily autonomy, but now they're like, let's take it a step further.

The idea that she would be impregnated by her R-worder and her husband is encouraging that is another level of depraved. The men refer to their wives as sluts and plan to get more salters to come on board and they really had this fantasy of impregnating their wives with the assalters DNA. This part is very disturbing. James, like I said, had four daughters and he discussed in great detail with Owen

about how Owen should come over to assault Jennifer in the kid's room while the children were asleep. Wow. They laughed about how their wives were too dumb to even know it's going on. They were poking fun at the fact that they are husbands. They wanted to have three sums. They wanted to bring another man into the bedroom. The wife said, you're crazy.

Don't ever talk about stuff like that. No, no, no, no, no. And they said, you know, the wives think they won. But in reality, we're still doing it. That was their whole he-he-ha thing. James messaged Kevin, women like Jennifer and Kathy, no matter how smart they think they are, they eventually get outsmarted by their husbands.

He he, James goes on to say, I bet both of them still think that they're their husbands loyal wife, making fun of the fact that neither of them know that other men have violated their bodies. Additionally, they talked about their wives as if they were just objects or property to be given and gifted. Kevin told James in one instance that Kathy is, quote, always yours, implying that Kathy belongs to Kevin and Kevin is gifting Kathy to James. On Nick's birthday dinner, this is another man that gets involved in assaults James's wife, Jennifer. On Nick's birthday,

James sends him a picture of Nick assaulting Jennifer and wrote in the caption, Happy birthday. I will always be knocked out waiting for you in bed from your stool, Jennifer. He would also steal his wife's clothes and underwear to gift them to Nick like a souvenir

for the crimes that they've committed. Like, it's just a husband's world and the wives are just living in it. And I think now is probably a good time for a disclaimer. There are a lot of husbands who want to watch their wives be passionate with other men. I think it goes without saying that I personally don't shame people as long as everything they do

is between consenting adults and no laws are being broken. I just feel like it's not my place to have an opinion on what people are into. And I almost feel like I need to give you this ecology behind these interests that people have because if I don't, it does feel like in a lot of mainstream media articles, James is being grouped into this wife-swapper community. And it just ends up demonizing a whole group of people who don't do anything wrong. A lot of media reports say that this is a wife sharing case, a wife

swapping case, but it's not really. It's an assault case. Wife swapping, wife sharing, when done properly is not illegal. So to undo some of that stigma, we're going to go down the psychology of why someone might be interested in watching their partner with someone else and how that differs from James and what he did, because James is not part of these people, right? I mean, it's very different. You'd be very surprised at how many people out there are interested in watching their wife sleep with someone else. I think it's one of those things where we can very easily react and say, well, that's crazy. Well, I could never, right? And that's perfectly fine if you don't want to, but it does seem like there's a lot of solid

Psychology behind the intrigue of something like this and this is what I've been able to gather Just as a whole from this genre, if you will. So again, this is not James psychology because he's not part of this group But right off the bat the aspect that kept coming up and read it threads about this was the mixture of Really good and really bad emotions that are really intense. They said it reminds them of Christmas. When you hear the Christmas songs and you see the lights, you smell the nutmeg and the spiced apples and the pine, it's this comforting and very happy feeling. But there's also kind of a sadness because you think about all the days that have gone

by and how you're no longer young and Christmas is no longer stress-free. And there's almost like a kind of a mixture of sorrow. A redditor said, just like how that mixture of joy and slight sadness makes Christmas special, it makes this whole experience special. And I'm not speaking for everyone. This is just what I could find from hours

and hours of redditing this topic. It seems like the husbands, the ones who will watch, go through a series of really intense emotions. And I do think that this can, to a degree, be applied to James, but not fully. We'll get into it. So the first emotion they said is excitement and nerves. It's so taboo. There's such a thrill in doing something that's considered forbidden by society.

They think it's naughty, and that in itself is so exciting. Society says you should never cheat on your partner. You should never actively and so bluntly cheat on your partner literally in front of them. Then they said that there's happiness and joy at seeing your partner being happy and having such unique experiences. So this is to emphasize that the wife's participation, consent, and enjoyment of this process is

a huge part of why some husbands would want to partake in these activities. Because they are seeing their wife be happy is what they were explaining on Reddit. One husband said, you know, and it's also, my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world to me. I'd rather watch her than some adult actress that I don't know. So there's that voyeurism aspect. Some has been said that it's like seeing your wife from a whole new angle. Only when you're not part of the activity, can you see her from the outside and focus on like her every minute movement and expressions. And then they said this is where it gets complicated. The jealousy and insecurity starts to hit the husband.

Perhaps there's an edge of embarrassment and self-doubt even. Some husbands believe the humiliation aspects of feeling weaker or lesser than or not really a man adds an extra layer of excitement to the whole process. And they said that you'll start wondering, oh, am I not good enough for my wife? And once it's over, now this is what I see, a lot of husbands on Reddit at least talk about. It's called reclaiming.

Between the husband and wife, they said it's one of the most intense things ever. Now again, just from an outsider trying to understand something that's very nuanced and complicated, I kept coming across people talking about this, so I try to research it. Apparently, there's a biological side to this. Have you heard of a berm competition? No. Okay, I guess to put it more eloquently, it would fall under mate guarding. So studies have shown that if a man thinks his wife may have cheated on him,

the more likely he is to want to have intimate relations with her, like psychologically. Oftentimes, even the physical volume of the product that comes out at the end will be greater in volume. There will be more of the final fluid. Because biologically, I guess men are wired to try and get rid of the potential rivals product if we're like really going into caveman about that. So you're saying scientifically studies shown

that if someone found out that wife cheated, the man will have like a biological reaction. Yes, no, I'm not saying that they'll act on it. Like don't go around cheating on your husband's thinking like they're gonna like it, they're not gonna like it, right? Biologically, there seems to be some sort of connection with more production of that. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, just going through some of the psychology of that, like the fact that a huge important part of the process so far is for the husbands to watch and enjoy their wives be happy and excited. That seems to be a main point for every single person that I came across on Reddit. Wife participation is key, not just legally, but for the whole process to even be exciting for these husbands. So it's very clear that this is like wife swapping is being demonized in this case, and it's evident that James is not a wife-swapper. And if I could just be an armchair therapist

for like one second, because think about it. The psychology and thought process here is just so unhinged. Side note, me explaining what I think is going on in this evil brain of James is not a justification, nor an excuse, or even trying to be understanding for someone like him. I think I'm genuinely just intrigued by his thought process. And these are all opinions not professional diagnosis or facts.

James claims he did all of this because his wife made passing comments about cheating on him. He said that he felt non-stop fear and suspicion that she was cheating on him and his solution is to watch someone assault his wife over and over again. It feels like there's multiple elements here. First, maybe perhaps, if he's not lying, he's almost trying to get rid of that anxiety or fear of his wife cheating on him by just making her cheat on him through assault. And there is the sick power that he feels

by humiliating his wife in such a ghastly way. I think if you ask any woman about one of their biggest fears in life, it's to be essayed. And to facilitate the essay of your wife, that is one of the most vengeful, spiteful, violent things I've heard in a while. There's a comment I read on Reddit about this case. Well, about a different case, but I think it sums up this one really well. It says, this is about possessiveness.

It's not about being a husband, it's about being an owner. He hates his wife being looked at by other guys in situations that he can't control because in his mind, she is his property. He wants his wife to have intimate relations with another guy in a situation. He's set up and controls because he sees his wife to have intimate relations with another guy in a situation, he set up and controls because he sees his wife as property that he decides to lend out on his terms.

A part of it is the importance of him being able to make his wife do something she doesn't even want to do. We don't know if Jennifer felt gaps in her memory. We don't know if maybe she was beginning to suspect something because sometimes after drinking wine with her husband, she wouldn't even drink that much, but she would wake up the next morning and have no recollection of the night before. We don't know if she felt suspicious about any of that, but we do know that James literally did not care.

Like, he could not care less. He didn't care for her health or her mental well-being. One time, James had plans for one of the internet guys to come over and assault his wife, but Jennifer was feeling a bit sick that night. So she's like, I don't want to drink wine. Like, why would I drink wine? I'm feeling sick. Like, that's so weird.

Stop pushing this cup of wine on me. I don't want a glass of wine. And he's like, okay, no, no, that's fine. He's being so kind. He's sympathizing with her and he tells her, I'm going to tuck you into bed and grab some meds. He comes back with a pill and a glass of water. Jennifer didn't know what this pill was because I mean how many times have you taken a pill

from your husband and you just assume it's probably a pill, it's probably this, right? And she trust her husband to feed her medicine. Instead, while she's sick, she's drugged and assaulted that night while her husband watched and filmed. January 1st, 2020, New Year's Day, Jennifer noticed James had fallen asleep and he was watching a video on his phone. So she walks over and grabs his phone and turns off the video, but a new Skype message comes in from someone, Jinno.

So she's kind of intrigued, you know, it's an interesting username. She clicked it. The phone opens this chat log and words just start jumping off at the screen at her. I mean, I'm sure she started feeling panicked. They were talking about how their wives are clueless, but how they're going to do it again, when they're going to do it again, how hot each other's wives are. She starts scrolling up on the chat to see the previous chat log and there are pictures of herself.

And I'm sure in the beginning it wasn't even registering. Like I think if that were me, the first reaction I would have would be, are these deep fakes? Because I don't remember taking a single one of these photos. She did not remember a single one of these photos, but they were of her. Naked, blindfolded, in her bed, those were her sheets, her pillow, and there would be, in one picture, it was just like her blindfolded face and two male parts hovering over her. But if she did think it was fake or edited, or maybe not her, just someone who looked like her, those doubts were squashed. She's scrolling, reading as fast as she can,

and it's clear that this is a chat between Kevin and Kevin and James are both assaulting her. In her sleep, when she's drugged and passed out. So New Year's Day, Jennifer slaps James across the face, wakes him up and shoves the phone in his face. She's like, I need answers right now. She wanted to know everything. What are they talking about? When did it happen? The pictures. One was that. Who was in there? The two men. Who are the men?

James quickly confesses to everything. Well, not everything. He says, yeah, so Kevin did assault you. He's basically saying it was just Kevin. It was just Kevin. He said he took the picture where she's blindfolded and it was just him and Kevin. And she's like, who the hell is Kevin? Jennifer demands James take her to Kevin right now so that she can confront him and see if James is telling the truth. James hesitantly drives her to Kevin's place and she starts confronting both of them. They both confess they're basically on their knees begging for forgiveness and understanding, saying it was a one-time thing. They just wanted to swap wives like one time after drugging them. That's it. Kevin admitted to assaulting Jennifer. James admitted to assaulting Kathy and they told her it was just a stupid, stupid thing.

They were just wanting to try something different and it was a stupid, stupid fantasy and they would never do it again. They felt so bad about it. All of that. January 2nd, 2020, the day after, Jennifer went to the police and filed a report. And that's when the truth starts unraveling. Detailed plans on facilitating the assaults and potential impregnation of their wives by other men, and almost every single assault was documented in depth with pictures and videos. She discovered that her husband James had been live streaming their own intimate moments straight out of their bedroom.

Jennifer would later say that James did try to initiate intimacy with her like every other day, and she felt like it was very frequent. So maybe it was for the live streams. And whenever James had any free time, she said that he was constantly these days watching x-rated videos. Once she caught James trying to

call one of his friends while they were having intimate relations, it was weird. Like he tried to play it off probably like it was a butt dial, but she it was weird. Later it's discovered that he likely just wanted his friend to over here them on the phone. Over the span of eight years, Jennifer's own husband had fantasized, coordinated, and facilitated numerous assaults against her. She was assaulted by Owen, Matt, Larry, Kevin, and Nick. The photos and videos of the assaults were shared to God knows how many people. And in Singapore, there's a very interesting punishment that select prisoners must face. A lot of it is more mental than anything, psychological. If a prisoner is sentenced to this specific punishment, they don't know when it's coming.

Every day they wake up in prison wondering, is today the day? Every day they're in prison, other inmates will tell them these horror stories about it. Oh, you were sentenced to that? It's really bad. Really bad. You see that guy over there that's drooling and staring at the wall? He had that punishment. Yeah?

Never the same ever since then. The other prisoners they burst out laughing and you have no idea if they're joking around or if they're being serious. Every time a guard makes eye contact with you, you wonder, are they going to call my name? Is it time for my punishment? One prisoner says, each and every day in prison, you sleep, you wake up and you worry, I waited three months before it happened to me. Three months I was just waiting. And then it happens. Your inmate number and name are called and you're going.

Today is the day. So you try to act nonchalant. You can't show the other prisoners that your nervous are scared, but you have no idea what's about to happen to you. You and the other prisoners get taken into a waiting room. It's kind of like a viewing room. When you walk in, you notice a giant window

that looks directly into another room. And in that second room, there's this big wooden structure. It looks like a contraption, maybe like a giant ladder. And there's muscular men just lined up against the wall. They call them commandos, the men. And they're all holding five foot long sticks, a cane. The sticks are about a half inch in diameter, which doesn't sound very thick,

but in this case, then it might be worse. Two people are escorted into the room with the commandos, the muscular men. They each get changed into a special padded jacket and pants. The pants have a hole where their butts are. So now their butts are fully exposed. They're told to bend over the wooden frame.

Their ankles are tied down, their wrists are tied down, they're fully bent over, creating a 90 degree angle, they cannot move. There's a wooden bar on either side of their torso and one supporting their stomach. So they can't move their arms, legs, stomach, they can't scoop backwards, they can't scooch forwards, they're literally just stuck there. Butts up in the air, fully exposed, skin touching air.

So they're wearing special pants with their butt cut out? Yeah, a whole. And the whole point of this wooden contraption is to make sure that you're held in place and you cannot move. It's one person at a time. So let's say prisoner one is tied up to this wooden frame. They get positioned bent over but exposed. Prisoner two is in the same room with prisoner one.

They get to watch up and close what's gonna happen to prisoner one, knowing damn well, it's gonna happen to them next. Then on the other side of the window, staring into the room are prisoners 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and so on and so forth, and they're all watching, they're all waiting, they're all knowing, they're going to be next. One prisoner said about the waiting room experience. It's like queuing up like idiots, lining up and waiting for your turn to be slaughtered. The commandos then take the five foot long sticks, which by the way, they

made sure to soak it in water last night. That's very important because the sticks can splinter and they don't want that. They don't want it to crack. They hold the cane with both hands like a baseball bat or maybe more like a golf club and they start swinging it back and forth midair. You're just hearing, whew, whew, whew noises. The commandos are trying to intimidate them because the prisoners know they're trying to show how fast they midair, you're just hearing, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, wh said to be able to go at about 99.42 miles per hour. So to give you perspective, cheetahs are known as the fastest land animals and they run at a speed of 60 to 70 miles per hour. 99 miles per hour, the speed of a cane strike is even faster than a burst of speed that a cheetah uses to catch their prey.

It's swift, it's explosive, and it's solely there to create pain. Some prisoners have stated that even with the first stroke, the skin and flesh will tear and blood will start oozing out of their butt, but they don't stop, not until you've gotten the number of strokes that the court has sentenced you. But it's really bad. To give you an idea, no adult is allowed to be sentenced to more than 24 strokes. They have medical personnel there to make sure nobody gets gravely injured or faint. The commandos, the officers administering the strokes, they're incredibly muscular, they're incredibly fit, but even then they're only allowed to give 6 strokes per officer.

They want to make sure each stroke has maximum impact. So, if you're sentenced to 24 strokes, they don't want the officer to get tired. 10 strokes in. So they want them to get the maximum amount of pain from that stroke. Yeah. Maximum amount of pain. So every six strokes, you have to wait. While a new officer walks in, grabs the cane, cracks his knuckles, practices swinging the cane, gets into position and then smacks you. And there's nothing you can do.

You can't even squirm. You're being held down in place. There's prisoners all around you. If you're screaming like a little baby, they're going to talk about it afterwards. The caning officers are trained to not strike at the same spot. So prisoners said that you walk out of there with your butt looking like you sat down on one of those barbecue grills with the lines. The impact is so harsh that it feels like you're getting burned.

If the pain is too much for a prisoner and they look like they're about to pass out, the doctor might say, stop and all strokes will stop. But that doesn't mean it's over. That doesn't mean that prisoner gets to go with half the strokes that they were sentenced. Even if you were sentenced to six strokes, but you only do five and you can't do it anymore because the doctor says you're going to pass out, that one extra stroke gets translated into extra prison time up to a year. You can't come back and finish the rest of your strokes.

It has to be done at one time. In a final act of humiliation and pain, prisoners said that they've been told to stand before a panel of three prison guards that have been keeping watch the whole time, and after you've been whipped all over your bottom, you have to say, thank you. And if you don't thank them for your punishment, you cannot leave.

The Singapore government does deny this, but multiple independent prisoners have said it is a requirement. But thanking the panel, the actual strokes, the caning itself, those aren't really the worst part either. The worst they said is the recovery. Prisoners are given one round of medication for their wounds after they're done. There's no continuous care throughout the healing process, and in the upcoming weeks you've got all sorts of fluids coming out. Blood, white discharge, pus. You can't even put pants on because first of all it's so painful to have anything touching it. Second of all, the pant fabric gets stuck to the open wound and the fabric starts fusing with your skin.

It's nearly impossible to take the pants off later without ripping off more of your skin and flesh with it. So a prison tip in Singapore I guess is to run your trousers under water first. So the water helps separate the fabric from your wound before you take off your pants. A prisoner said, if you don't do that, it's just damn pain. Everything is painful though, after the caning. Taking a shower is painful. Don't even think about sitting down. You have to sleep on your chest.

And never mind the fact that you feel extra vulnerable in a place like prison. Like it's a lot. Some offenders who experienced judicial caning said it was one of the most painful experiences that they have ever had. And because of that, caning as a legal punishment in Singapore has been hotly debated. Judicial caning is really, really complicated.

Over 30 different offenses can warrant a caning punishment by the Singaporean government. Robbery, drug trafficking, and crimes are just a few. And before anyone feels the sudden aching urge to be xenophobic, the caning punishment was likely introduced during the time that the Britons were colonizing Singapore, so there's that. But it's kind of just stayed in Singaporean law for a plethora of reasons. There's a lot of historical, cultural context that I don't want to bore you with. And even among Singaporeans, there's so much debate on whether this is good

or bad. The gaining debate has even started international debates. Yeah, so the US had a problem with Singapore's punishment when a 19 year old American was sentenced to four strokes for vandalism. The US argued it was cruel and unusual punishment which is against our constitution. Singapore argued that if you're in Singapore you abide by Singaporean law just like how a Singaporean national would do the same if they visited the United States. The US argued it was a deplorable inhumane punishment for a nonviolent crime. Singapore said, well we do what we want here. But there were also politicians in Singapore who argued the vandalism in New York City is so bad even cop cars

aren't even safe from them. So this is what we do to curb vandalism. Singapore does have one of the lowest crime rates and is one of the cleanest countries in the whole world. I went on Reddit. It's like 50 50 even amongst Americans. It's like 50-50. Even amongst Americans, it's like 50-50 how they feel about this. The 19-year-old American Michael said he had just four strokes, but it was really bad. When he first saw his scars, he cried thinking that he would have them for the rest of his life.

He said when he was first cained, his skin ripped open and there was so much blood, it felt like nosebleeds. It doesn't feel like just a, oops, blood broke. And this is after the US helped get his caining sentence down to four. Four is known to be on the low end of the punishment, but he said it was miserable. His scars were agonizingly painful and then once the pain was over, you think you're in

the clear you're not. It's like unbearably itchy. You want to lose your mind. It's so itchy and pus is leaking out if you itch too hard. Caning was again in international news when a British national was caught with drugs in Singapore. He was sentenced to the maximum of 24 strokes. He said to this day, he has bowel problems

because of how bad the caning was. And now he wants to raise awareness to put a stopped caning. He said it causes permanent physical and psychological damage to the offenders. Human rights activists have agreed and said it's considered a form of torture, and the argument here is it's enforcing violence. Like you are trying to enforce law in order through

violence, and really who gets to decide something like that. Human rights activists have argued that the government just arbitrarily decides punishments. For example, robbery during the day time, the mandatory minimum is six strokes, but if it's night time, it's 12. But on the flip side, one attorney who had been camed for a crime before said, well, the rules are known before you commit a crime, so it's not really like a surprise. So I accept the punishment. The sentiment was, should we really fight for the quote humanity of criminals when they can't do that for victims? Like, is this really the hill that human rights activists are going to die on?

That's the argument from the opposing side. A lot of people also question the cruelty of the punishment. You know, a lot of human rights activists said, it seems like a big part of the punishment is the mental trauma. I don't know if I want to call it trauma, but the mental torture aspect. They don't know when it's coming. The strikes are done in such a very meticulous, methodical way, the way that they whip it back and forth, they have to think the panel. But for the same point, it could be argued there is mental trauma for every victim of every crime.

And I think for this one, most Singaporeans were not sad to hear that the husbands in this case were facing caning punishment on top of their prison sentences. Because- I don't know how many. Oh yeah, we're about to know. Because even during the trial, James still managed to blame his wife for everything. I mean, in a very interesting choice, James stated he would be representing himself in the trial

and he really played the victim part. I mean, he looked sorrowful. He was dragging his feet, winsing at the remorse that he felt inside of his soul. James admitted to ringing the wives of two of the other men, but he only did it because he wanted to be good friends to these guys.

He did it as a friend, he didn't wanna do it. Like, you know when your friend asks you to take them to the airport, you don't wanna take them to the airport, but you do it because you're a good friend. That's why he said he got to these women. It's not because he was genuinely interested in their wives, it's not because he was genuinely interested in their wives. It's not because he was an assalter.

He did it to quote, reciprocate their friendship and their help. So in short, he still doesn't understand what he did. No remorse. No. Still, you know, yeah. And then when the judge is like, I'm not going to listen to that. He looks for something else. He said, actually, I find it really hurtful to be stereotyped by media as someone who thinks in behaves

Like these wife-swapping husbands. He said that he was pushed into doing what he did He said that he doesn't have an interest or kink in something like this not like the other perpetrators no He said you know my wife cheated on me twice. And I did things that I'm not proud of, but we mutually hurt each other. And her betrayal, cheating on him, was the reason that he did what he did.

It contributed to his actions. He said, the shocking discovery of my wife's affairs triggered these offenses. When describing his wife's alleged second affair, he wrote, to further rub salt into the injury. My wife had another affair with her colleague. He claimed that his wife taunted, mocked, and humiliated him, and that all these events pushed him over the edge

and made him want to lash out in retaliation. But like, remember, that's not a good excuse, first of all. Second of all, for eight years. Yeah, I mean, yeah. However, he argued he should have a light punishment because he was quote, sincerely regretful of his wrongdoings and he wanted to submit himself to receive punishment as soon as possible. He brought in letters for the judge from all four of his daughters, character witness letters, which thankfully were not read in court. Another letter from his mom who argued that

he was a great son and great family man and you can see probably how he ended up this way as well. A letter from his wife to show that his family wanted him home. That's what he said that letter said. I don't think that's what that letter said at all. So when he realized that the judge was feeling less than sympathetic, James starts changing his tune. He starts accusing the media. He starts accusing the journalist and the reporters for oversinstationalizing the story. He said the reporters were quote irresponsible and unethical for trying to make his case about explicit videos and fantasies of wife-swapping. He said that's totally not what I am in reality.

You have so many people to blame. Yeah, which is very true. That's not what he is in reality. He is not a wife's whopper. He is an art worker. But essentially, he blamed everyone for his actions from his wife to his co-purpaterators to even netizens and the press. He even argued with the judge that netizens in media have made it so hard for his wife.

He said, right now, oh, get this. What is good? Wow. He said, right now, oh, get this. What is good? Wow. He said this with his full chest. He said, right now, my main concern is the safety of my wife as well as my children. So I would like to seek your honors consideration and putting me to go for legal assessment

and diagnosis of what's really going on in my mind. He's basically saying, look, I'm going to get some therapy. Can you just let me out so I can protect my wife? Netizens were shocked. Because he is the danger to his wife. What are you saying right now? One comment read, don't you just love it when these disgusting criminals

whine about how people treat or view them? They whine about injustice they receive and yet they're the ones who got themselves there in the first place because of the disgusting things they do to other people, another comment reads, his legal arguments are so dumb. At this point, he's a danger to himself. When all of these things didn't work out,

he starts pulling out psychiatric findings. He said he was diagnosed to be addicted to sex, to be more precise, he and his therapist agreed that he would he had compulsive Behavior which I think is a wild argument to make like sediction is real How is that relevant? It's not an excuse nor a mitigating factor for a crime So just to clarify this is a very real diagnosis that can have big impact on people's lives It's described as an intense focus on fantasies or urges or behaviors in a pattern of failure to control such impulses, which ultimately result in repetitive, negative,

or behavior. Okay, that doesn't impact anything that he did, and it just doesn't make sense. I mean, first of all, the prosecutors don't even believe that he has that diagnosis. And second of all, they argued, even if he has it, all that is is a race who claims they are addicted to sex and all that means is he has a high-strive, which honestly could be argued it makes him more dangerous to be a free man. The judge seemed to agree.

Now, side note, James would then go on to make more arguments. He's like, judge, before you decide, I have low self-esteem. I have self-doubt in my masculinity, and those were contributing factors to why I did what I did. Nobody cared, because those things do not impair judgment or decision-making capabilities. And considering all the aggravating factors for these specific crimes, like nobody had

sympathy, there was significant planning and premeditation, the victim's vulnerability, exposure to risk of full disease and unwanted pregnancies, violation of the sanctity of the victim's home, recording and dissemination of the incident, betrayal of trust and abusive trust. The judge said, James does not appear to have fully understood the gravity of his offenses.

Although he's indicated that he wishes to own up and take responsibility and accept the punishment that's due, I could not ignore the fact that all the written pleas were all just self-serving attempts to deflect responsibility and shift blame to others, particularly his co-accused. Most regrettably, the accused has resorted to a form of victim blaming, suggesting that there's a reason for his offending. The judge pointed out that James himself had affairs. So what do you want this high-sensitive horse about?

You two cheated on your wife before any of this happened. You cheated first while she was pregnant. The judge also noticed that James was trying to downplay the seriousness of his offences by claiming that he was unfairly labeled as a little predator. The judge was over it. Jennifer, his wife said in an impact statement that she felt so hurt, angry, disappointed,

and overwhelmed with the sense of betrayal. She expressed that she had dark thoughts and thought at one point she would be better off dead than have to deal with this. She said, I kept thinking about how cruel he was to do this to me. She said at first, she thought it was just one person that had assaulted her.

But more and more started to come out and likely her brain went into self-protection mode and started to block everything out because she said that slowly, I chose not to feel anything about it. I wanted to focus my energy to take care of my children and family so I just became numb. Kevin's wife said something similar. She said she felt like dying, but tries to manage her emotions by not thinking about it and just blocking it out. Which side note, many of the wives chose to stay married to their husbands. And yeah, before we judge, I do think that there's a lot of reasons why. Even if we can agree, it's maybe not the best choice. I don't think judgment is the solution. it's maybe not the best choice. I don't think judgment is the solution. One redder has stated very eloquently, and this is speculation we'll never really know why they chose to stay, nor do we have the right to know. But the redder are stated,

there's so many nuances behind abuse that us internet bystanders don't see. The abuse begins from the very beginning of the relationship, creating a dependence on the abuser, socially, financially, emotionally, and psychologically. dependence it takes a very long time to go away It's not as simple as walking away What the victims need is supportive network of friends and family that are willing to forgive them and for whatever hurt they've caused because of their toxic relationships And that's the first step of healing and recovering a damaged psyche And that's the first step of healing and recovering a damaged psyche. Another redditor comment said, this is beyond getting angry and walking away. The couple's lives are so intertwined and we're looking at couples who've been married

for decades. Maybe some of them financially depend on their husbands. They've got multiple children. And on top of that, they're going through all these complex feelings, which is so difficult to process. Maybe they feel the need to keep it a secret. Maybe they feel the need to process the emotions first before they do something life-changing.

Yeah. Like I just listened to the way James handles himself in court. Like let's say he didn't even do anything illegal. Just imagine that's your husband for 10 years. Yeah, the level of psychological abuse, she's probably been through where nothing is his fault. It's always your fault.

If I hurt your feelings, it's because you hurt mine first. Like it's crazy how he talks about his wife and court. So the men though, of course they use their wives staying as the best legal strategy ever. Of course they did. Larry is one of the guys, right? Larry's attorney even argued that Larry and his wife have a good relationship now, so the judge should take that into consideration. So I know about Larry. Larry's wife actually caught him doing all of this.

She woke up while she was being assaulted. Let me take it back. September 1st, 2017, Larry was sharing a glass of wine with his wife, Lucy. And he's all up in this little circle of Crimes and of course he spikes Lucy's drink and he's so excited This is the first time that he's bringing his wife into the equation He had already assaulted Jennifer and he had been consuming all the videos and photos shared in the group chat between the Husbands But he had never gotten his own wife involved

He made sure that she was knocked out and following the others He blindfolded his wife, dragged her unconscious body to the bed, he texted his colleague, so not a random man he met on the internet. His work colleague, Parker, and told him, it's time, come over, Lucy is quote, ready for you. Parker would claim that he had no clue that Lucy was going to be drugged up when he showed up.

He said that Larry started confiding in him at work that Lucy wanted to have a three sum. That's his argument. I don't know if I believe it. Take it with a grain of salt. Okay. Parker shows up unconscious wife laying on the bed. Like, what are you talking about?

So committing a crime. Right. What does he do? He takes off his clothes and starts performing unsolicited acts on Lucy. But he's like, Oh, no, I thought she consented It's dumb right yeah, and he did not use protection none of these guys did Thankfully Parker could not fully assault Lucy because he had a rectile dysfunction So he cannot maintain the right faculties to do so

But he did continue to molest her and that's when she started moving around She started grumbling felt a man on her so she gets up, takes off her blindfold, parkers running with his, he's like grabbing his clothes from the ground, running out the door at this point. Lucy's seeing this, like there is a strange man running out the door, her husband doesn't seem startled, she's putting two and two together, she's piecing it together. She confronts her husband, Larry, who is just like, yeah, it happened, he confesses to everything. Lucy forces Larry to write a confession letter, demands Larry to get his coworker, Parker to write a confession letter, and she just wants to know what happened that night.

She wanted to know the truth. It is unknown if Larry's wife Lucy went to the police with the confessions, but Larry argued later in court that they should go easy on him because he and his wife were good now. Larry would get 13 years and six months in prison for his crimes and zero. Zero cane strikes because Larry is 50 and there is an interesting law that you have to be a man under 50 to be struck with a cane by the court. Parker, the colleague who came to assault Larry's wife, Lucy, but couldn't successfully maintain his faculties.

He pled guilty and was only given three years in prison. A lot of netizens felt like this wasn't enough. His whole thing was that he actually didn't end up following through what they assault with Lucy. Like that was his argument. Well, I didn't actually assault her, but netizens argue, yeah, it wasn't a choice, though. So, because you were a good person, it wasn't a choice.

You literally couldn't. And then we have the others. Kevin, the man who drugged his wife Kathy and facilitated her assault. He was given 22 years and 20 cane strokes. Matt, the man who helped drug his ex-wife, Marion, facilitated her assault. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison and 20 cane strokes.

And Nick, Nick is the food delivery driver that assaulted Jennifer. His attorney took another interesting approach. These attorneys are all unhinged, I'm telling you, okay? They argued that Nick was the only one without a wife. So he should get a lesser sentence because his does not have the aggravated additional aspect of abuse of trust. Since you know, these weren't his wives and he didn't get his own wife involved,

but the prosecutors looked at him and they said, yeah, no, that doesn't make sense. Nick is not married. It's not possible for him to even offer up a wife to be assaulted, offer up. So it shouldn't be a mitigating factor that makes him seem more empathetic. So it shouldn't be a mitigating factor that makes him seem more empathetic. Surely if he had a wife, he likely would have. Again, same with Parker, you didn't have a choice. Nick was sentenced to 18 years in prison and 20 cane strokes. James and Owen were tried separately. James was sentenced to 29 years in prison and the maximum cane punishment of 24 cane strokes. James looked defeated when he was sentenced,

and he said he didn't say this, but he dug deep and somehow found courage to appeal his sentence. He says that he wants to appeal for two reasons. One, he claims that his wife wants him home, and two, he feels like he wasn't represented while by his initial attorneys. But this guy is so, so unhinged. Yeah, like, it's how unlikable of a person,

even at this moment. And like, you can just tell the judges are over him. So the judges, like, your family's not even showing up to support you. And all I got from your wife was a letter of her victim impact statement where she basically had thoughts of death and was the only redeeming factor where she said she felt numb now, okay? That's it and she's focusing on her kids,

but you keep saying your wife wants you home, your wife loves you, your wife supports you, your wife wouldn't want this for you. Again, still using his wife to try and get something that he wants. As of 2023, we are still awaiting his appeal. With Owen, he went on trial August of this year, and Owen argued that he never wanted to assault Jennifer. James invited him and forced him to do things to Jennifer he never wanted this to happen. Owen stated he felt scared and he only did it to get out of the situation. It was arguably not a bright legal move because there were literal messages between Owen

and James where they were talking about drugging Jennifer and doing this. Owen even cutely named the whole plan Operation Jennifer. He even nervously messaged James like whatever it got. So clearly he knew. He was convicted and he will be sentenced January of 2024. He is facing 20 years in prison with a fine or caning punishment. The judge presiding over this case said it was, quote, one of the most astonishing and atrocious cases of civil assault to ever come before this court. Many victims are able to lean on family members, including their husbands to deal with the after-effects

of trauma after an assault like this. But these women cannot do that, because it was their husbands that did this. It is such a gross betrayal of trust. The prosecutors on this case stated, when a woman enters into a marriage, she entrust herself to her husband. She trusts that the man who sleeps beside her will not harm her as she sleeps. She trusts that in sickness, her husband, the father of her children, will not poison

her with drugs, passed off as medicine. She trusts that her husband will keep private their most intimate moments together. Instead, the men breach their wives trust on every front. Netizens commented, the law must severely punish them to prevent ruining society. Others said, why can't we publicize their names? As for Sammy Boy, it is still an up and running site.

A lot of Singaporean netizens want the site to be fully taken down, and they're confused how it's still up and running in a country where even chewing gum is banned. Did you know chewing gum is what? Yeah, chewing gum is banned in Singapore. It's illegal. Really? The laws are more lax now.

I think there's some provisions where you can bring in enough chewing gum for personal use. If you import chewing gum to the extent where it looks like you're gonna distribute it or sell it, you can face a fine or go to prison. They really don't like their crazy about cleanliness and order in Singapore, and there was a problem with chewing gum being

just like stuck onto floors. I mean, so chewing gum is banned, and they're like, how is this website not banned? But apparently it's very complicated. Sammy Boy servers are not based in Singapore, which if they were, Singaporean authorities could just seize them and arrest all of those operating the website. But since it's not, the only other option they have is to try and block the site from being viewed in Singapore. But one, people could just get a VPN, and two, they said it's like whack-a-mole. So,

Sammy Boy constantly changes the URL to the explicit forum to keep the website restricted would take so much coordinated oversight and taxpayer dollar it would be insane. So Sammy Boy still thrives with who knows how much illegal content being uploaded and distributed on there. And again, this is not me saying Sammy Boy is all bad and everyone on there is bad and doing illegal shady gross things. That's not what I said at all. But we have to admit there definitely is a dark underbelly to this forum. But I will say before you lose hope

in humanity, most people everywhere usually are still sane and logical, and I hope that these husbands are just a small portion. But someone did make a very grim comment about this. They wrote, these are the only ones who got caught. Imagine how many hundreds are out there doing the same wife sharing without their wives knowing. So, what are your thoughts on this case? Please be safe, and I will see you guys on Sunday for the mini-sode. Bye.