Rotten Mango - #32- The British Jeffrey Dahmer - He Keeps Corpses As Roommates (Serial Killer Dennis Nilsen)

Episode Date: January 14, 2021

Police are called out about clogged drains underneath a house in London... doesn't really sound like detective work.  BUT it soon becomes apparent that the drains have been clogged with human remains. Someone inside the house has been flushing human remains down the toilet. (Remember Jeffrey Dahmer?) The police think they're about to arrest a murderer but little do they know they've got a serial killer on their hands.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom. Have you ever imagined a serial killer taking a poo? I know that's really not the way that you want to hear a podcast when you like click on this video. Uh, hi, if you're new here, you're like, let me just listen to this girl. What does she have to say? I'm like, hey, have you ever thought about Ted Bundy taking a big old poo poo? So I used to do this head exercise where anytime I get really creeped out about serial killers, like knowing that there are serial killers out there. Like there are active serial killers out there. Serial killers, so we haven't even talked about on this podcast because they're out there killing people right now as I'm filming this. Sometimes I get all up in my head about it and I'm like, these people are real.

These are not just people that we talk about. These are real ass people. And then I just have this moment, this quarter life crisis and I'm like, okay, just think about them pooping, just think about them pooping. And then suddenly it's not so scary anymore because when a serial killer is pooping, how scary is it? With their pants around their ankles, they're on a toilet. They all poop just like you and me.

But then, but then I got into some serial killers who really like poop play. So then I was like, well, that doesn't no longer work for me because now I just imagine that serial killer making me eat their poo. And that's like even scarier than before, you know? So I had to come up with a new brain exercise about the weird ways

Zero killers get caught in their crazy serial crimes. I mean think about it like these people They're going around evading the police years at a time some of them right some of them have above average intelligence We almost kind of I wouldn't say we put them on a pedestal But we make them seem like these mastermind villains and then they get caught in the dumbest way And you're just like, how are you so dumb? I mean, it's gotten to the point where psychologists literally believe that towards the end of active serial killers killings, a lot of them want to be caught. That's why they do some dumb shit. And I'm like, or maybe they're just dumb. I don't know. So to give you a couple of examples. So today we're talking about a very infamous serial killer in the United Kingdom by the name of Dennis Nielsen and he was a crazy necrophiliac, a pedophile

and just like a serial killer who boiled people, I mean it gets really intense. He, a lot of people in the United States call him the British Jeffrey Dahmer. There's a lot of pickles to pick about that one because they were actually active at the same time. So the year that Jeffrey Dahmer started killing, Dennis Nielsen started killing in the UK. And it's kind of weird because he's not even British, he's actually from Scotland, but he was active in London. So there's a lot of pickles to pick about that one

and I also saw a reddit thread about how people were complaining about how everyone in America thinks everything's from America. They're like, why can't it be the American Jeffrey Dahmer? Like the American Dennis Nielsen. What does it't it be the American Jeffrey Dahmer? Like the American Dennis Nelson, why does it have to be the British Jeffrey Dahmer? Yeah, it's a little weird especially because Dennis Nelson was caught prior to Jeffrey Dahmer being caught. So all sorts of strange, but let's talk about BTK real quick. So if you guys

don't know, BTK was an infamous hero killer in the United States. His name is Dennis Radar, but he was called BTK because he would bind his victims, then he would continue to torture them, then he would eventually kill them. And he was, I mean, he was just straight up evil. I mean, he looks like a hamburger, but he was evil. And it's just crazy because he had like a whole loving family behind the scenes and he was just going out. He works for a security company.

That's how he was able to get into people's homes and he would just kill them. Now, he really loved media attention. Like he loved getting that ego-stroked who's like yes by me harder and he one time asked the police, hey lesson police, I've got a quick question for you. Now be honest, he even told the police, be honest with me, okay I know you're trying to catch me because I'm killing people but be honest. If I communicate with you, via floppy disk, can it be traced back to my computer? Was the answer to that? Of course not. You know. Yeah, the police were like, absolutely not. We don't even know what a floppy disk is. Wow, you're so technologically advanced. So the police put out an ad and they say, no, we can't trace you. So then Dennis sends

them a freaking floppy disk. It gets traced back to his church. Yeah, by the way, did I mention he was like a family man going to church and stuff, his computer broke at home. So he went to the church to work on that floppy disk and they caught Dennis radar because he asked about a floppy disk. And when the police arrested him, he was so shocked. He asked the police, how come you lied to me? How come you lied to me? And the police were him, he was so shocked. He asked the police, how come you lied to me? How come you lied to me? And the police were just so confused at the thought of the city.

The all-sacity that this man had, Richard Ramirez. Otherwise known as the Night Stalker in Los Angeles, he murdered people, he entered homes, and he murdered people. Now the day that he got caught, he tried to carjack a woman. And the car ended up being like a neutral or something, so it rolled down and hit like a building. So he wasn't able to car jack a woman and the car ended up being like a neutral or something So it rolled down and hit like a like a building So he wasn't able to car jack that woman then he tries to car jack a different woman now at this point They started alerting the police and the woman's neighbor comes out while she's fighting back

Richard Ramirez punches her in the stomach gets into her car and the neighbor was like I don't think so so he opens up the door, pulled Richard Ramirez out and was like, Hey, I'm get my two sons. I need them to help me restrain him because Richard Ramirez's photo has been like out there for some time now. So all of these neighborhood agendas, which means like old ladies, like I'm talking housewives, I'm talking grandmama's like they all came out and they called the police and they started beating Richard Ramirez to a pulp. Like they just fucking, I don't know, they jumped the dude, they jumped a serial killer. They jumped Richard Ramirez until the police came. Like he was all beat up and battered for his mug shot.

Does that really sound like the night stalker to you? Like getting beat up by some neighborhood adjamas? Like really? Also I just found out that in Russian, babushka means adjama. I know, right? So like imagine a bunch of like babushkas and Adjima's they come out and they just freaking beat up a serial killer I find that to be absolutely insane now this one is gonna be really really odd So this all takes place like I said in London and there was a house in London that was split into six different flats So I mean I was talking about yeah, we're split into six different flats. So, I mean, I mean, I was talking about the- Are you talking about the-

Yeah, we're going into Dennis Nelson. Sorry, there was no- Okay, okay. I'm ready. Okay, are you ready? Because this one, it's got to do with drains, yeah. There was a house in London, right? And there's six units inside of this building.

And there's, I believe, multiple different landlords. And they just run out the units. I don't think it's, you get it. It's like an apartment building, but looks like a house. And they were having a massive plumbing situation. All of the residents were complaining about blocked drains. They were like, listen, I can't even, like my sink is clogging up, my toilet's not flashing.

I don't know what's going on. So the landlord eventually calls the plumber and the plumber goes into the pipes of one of the units and he successfully unclogs it and he's like, well, you're good to go. Now, the plumber did mention to the landlord after. Like, thanks for the payment, but, um, man, that was one of the worst stinkiest shit I've ever smelled.

Like, I don't know what that tenant is doing. I don't know what these tenants in this entire building is doing, but that, that was the stinkiest drain I have ever unclogged. So you might, you know, be interested in looking at like a really intense plumber because it seems like there's a deep-aligning issue Maybe you got some sewage pipes that are coming in like I don't know like it's just it's just not good news lady, right?

And so they're like okay. Well, thank you now quickly that same flat started having drainage issues again So then the landlord is like oh my gosh, okay I'm gonna call in a heavy duty plumber instead of like a maintenance man I'm gonna call in like a crazy plumbing company. And they're gonna go look in the pipes underneath the house, like not just like little drain-o down the sink situation. So the heavy duty plumbers come in and they came in around like dawn, like nighttime.

Is dawn nighttime? Dawn's not nighttime. Dawn is the sun, dusk, they came in around dusk, okay? So like doing nightfall, like sunset and cold and hour, I'm more familiar with these terms. The plumbers come in and they take a look inside of underneath the house at the pipes. And when they open up a particular drainage vent, they start seeing some shit. And when the plumbers is like, hey, you want to come over here?

Because I see some weird stuff and he's like, does that not look like butchers prepared meat with like a bunch of bones mixed in? Like it looks like straight up flesh, which is an odd thing to have in the pipes. Like you would think maybe poo, you would think maybe some condoms, maybe some feminine products that shouldn't have been fleshed, but like flesh, like who is going around,

flushing their chicken breasts, like down the toilet, that doesn't make any sense. And so his friend is like, oh yeah, maybe we should call our boss about it because this is really suspicious so they call the boss and the boss says listen I think at this point it's a little bit too dark why don't you leave that there and we will come back in the morning and take a look at it because I'm sure it's nothing like I'm sure nobody is putting human meats on the drain skies as probably some chicken breast or something so

they're like okay sounds good now at this point all of the tenants had come downstairs and they were kind of investigating So they're like, okay, sounds good. Now at this point, all of the tenants had come downstairs and they were kind of investigating because they're like, you know what? I have been having drainage issues. So what the forks going on? You better tell me who's fleshing condoms, who's fleshing paper towels, you know?

Who should we talk to? And that's when they're like, I don't know if something weird's there. It looks like flesh or something, but we'll be back in the morning, guys. Don't you worry about it. So they go home, they sleep for the night, the next morning, the the plumbers come back and all of the meat and the bones had disappeared. So they they have said it aside so that it couldn't be. I have been washed back down into the pipes.

So that doesn't make any sense. You know, did like a wild animal come and like get these later. They just started getting really suspicious. So they start investigating through the rest of the pipes and the drains and they don't really find anything until they check a pipe that was on the side of the house. So it's no longer under the house, but on the side, this becomes very pertinent, like running down the side. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, like it hasn't hit the ground yet. Yeah, running down the side. That means it's only from

the above units. Oh God, look at you detected. Oh shoot. Daddy chill. And so they look at that pipe. They stick their hand in there because that one feels really jammed too and that's when they pull out a giant hunk of flesh and they call 911. They're like dude that's for sure human flesh. So the police get a call, that a drain in the regular suburbs, like not even a bad area. They're like, I think we got some human flesh in this drain. So the police, I don't even know if they were taking it that seriously in the beginning.

So they show up to a place called Muzz Well Hill and they find out that it was blocked with human remains. So they send this evidence, which is pieces of flesh, a little bit of bones, what looked like knuckles from a human hand, and they sent it to the local hospital for a pathologist to determine is this a human. So the pathologist immediately calls the police back

and it's like, whoa, first of all, this human remains. Second of all, it's a homicide. Third of all, the victim's been strangled. And the police are like, all right. How do they find out that? Yeah, exactly. The police are like, you've been watching too much CS police are like, ah, right. Oh, no, they find out that. Exactly. And the police are like,

you've been watching too much CSI, like, okay, fine. You just need to say that it's human remains. What do you mean it's a homicide? The victim's been strangled. Like, I gave you not even a pound of me, you know what I mean? You need to tone down your tits.

And they said, well, ironically enough, the little piece of flesh that you brought us is a piece of the neck, and there's a clear ligature mark. Which means that this person, like nobody's just walking around with ligature marks on their neck at all times. Like it's very rare. It's usually only a homicide and the fact that they were in a drain, I mean, this person's

probably been killed. So the police are like, holy shit. Now they start to realize because the flesh came from the side pipe of the house. Only the middle level and the top floor would have used this pipe. So if you were on the ground level and you flush something or you use the sink, it would have just gone straight

into a different pipe-ish situation. And so this one, they're like, oh my God, we need to talk to these people. We need to talk to every single tenant on the middle floor, every single tenant on the top floor. Is there only a couple of them? Yeah, now when they talk to the landlord, they realize that the middle floor

has been vacant for quite some time. And there's only one tenant on the top floor currently in the attic unit. And his name is Dennis Frickin Nielsen. I don't know. So the dude has no criminal record. He has no police have any really crazy reason

to suspect him of dumping human remains into the toilet. But they were like okay Well, let's go investigate him right so Dennis knows and at the time he was 37 years old an executive officer at a local job center So he essentially just helps people get jobs right and He just lived on the top floor so the police come to try to question Dennis and he was at work at the time And he wouldn't be back home until five-ish so they're like okay Well, let's just wait outside so they start talking to some of the ground floor residents and they're like you know we just want to talk to Dennis yeah there were human remains in the drain and one of the neighbors

is like oh my god this morning like before the plumbers came right I saw Dennis out in about really early and he's never out in about and he was just right in the face he was sweating look like he had just run a marathon, and you know he's not that active of a guy. And I saw that his arms were really dirty, like up to shoulder length. Like he had just stuck his arms into like a vat of mud or something, it was just really odd. But um yeah, no I saw that. So the police are like, okay, obviously he's hiding something. So finally when Dennis comes home, they let him know that they're investigating the blocked drains. And Dennis is so casual, he just like giggles.

He's like, since when are police interested in blocked drains? Okay. And they're like, well, we can tell you all about it if you let us inside. So he's like, yeah, yeah, for sure, come on in. Now, when the police walk into that apartment, immediately, you already know they get that scent, they get that smell, it just penetrates their nostrils and they're like this is oh god, they even said something along the lines of the atmosphere just feeling full on evil.

Is it the police that have no, yeah, we're just investigating because we found, dun dun dun human remains inside the pipes inside this house drainage system. And he's like, oh my goodness, my goodness, how awful poor human. I wonder what happened to them. Poor human. And that's in the police who are like, listen Dennis, I'm not playing around just to answer the question.

Where's the rest of the body? Are they Wednesdayed in? They were like, we know it's you. Like there's no, you know, who else could it be? And he just straight up is like, yeah, okay. So if you go inside the closet in the other room, there's like two trash bags. You got me fair enough, fair enough, dude. Yeah. Just like that. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, he was just like fair enough. Go inside the closet, get two bags. So they go inside the closet. He had to give them keys to the wardrobe.

So they open up the wardrobe and they find these two trash bags. They didn't even look inside. They knew from the smell that was coming off, they were like, arrest the mother for a car. So they arrest him, they put him into the police car and it was multiple police officers. So one of them is driving, one of them is sitting in the back with Dennis Nielsen and in the car on the way to the police station, the guy in the back sitting with Dennis. By the way, Dennis Nielsen was not handcuffed. They weren't expecting to arrest anyone today, so I don't

know if they don't carry around handcuffs back in the day or in the UK. I don't know, maybe they're much more civilized over there, but they just like did not carry handcuffs. So he was just sitting in the police car. I mean, obviously the police car was in escapeable. It's not like he could just walk out of there, but he wasn't handcuffed. That's when the police officer who was staring at the bags of evidence in the trunk of the car Looks at him and goes Huh So he said that the bags look too big for each one to just be one human being per bag

Like they were so full. So if you had dismembered someone like there like that's too much meat You know that's so much meat like I don, that's so much meat. Like I don't understand. So he looks at Dennis and he says, so how many bodies are we talking? Like one, two, and Dennis looks at him and just goes, 15, I think maybe 16. And the police officer was driving almost crashed the car at that moment

because they did not know they had a serial killer on their hands. They genuinely thought that this was like a crime of passion, a one off, a person killed another person for whatever freaking reason, maybe it was a money motive, maybe it was a crime of passion, a love motive, and then flush them down the toilet, but they were not expecting to catch a serial killer today. Like, that wasn't even on the menu. Like, that wasn't even an option. They weren't even really actively looking

for a serial killer at the time. So they almost crashed the car. They're like, what the heck? This guy who is an alleged serial killer is not restrained. He's not handcuffed. So the rest of the ride, the police officer in the back just like held onto his arms. And it was like, I am your handcuffs.

And they get him in. Oh, I thought you held on his own arms because he's scared. To get dismet now. Yeah, so you just held on to Dennis's arms until he got to the police station. So who the fork is Dennis Nielsen? Let's get into his life. So Dennis Nielsen was born in November 23rd of 1945. Actually, the same day that my sister's fiance was born.

So that's cool. Yeah, I've heard. Not the same year. not the same year not the same year He was born in 1945 and my sister's fiance was 1940 Okay, and so he was born to a mom by the name of Elizabeth Doothy white and his dad's name was Olof Magnus Mokshim

Okay, that's I'm sorry. He is Norwegian, so I don't know how to pronounce his name I'm butchered that completely. So he's the second of three children He was born in Scotland and his dad was in Norwegian who fought for the free Norwegian forces So he's like part of the Norwegian army and at the time he had traveled to Scotland to do work with the free forces And that's when he meets Elizabeth who's a Scottish woman and they get married like they literally met like weeks ago and they're just like let's get married they get married and he really didn't care about Elizabeth at all. He didn't try to buy a house in Scotland for him to come back to so Elizabeth just stayed with her own parents raising these children. He would

briefly come once in a while and just spend time with them with like an and I mean spend time as and he would just like have sex with Elizabeth. Like he didn't really care to get to know the kids. He didn't really care to get to know Elizabeth even. He just really wanted to just like come by Scotland and have some sex and leave, which seems like a really expensive way to do things, but I don't know, okay? And so every time he would visit once in a while,

that's how all three of the kids were conceived. So it wasn't because he was around. It wasn't because he was like home, you know, or like visited once in a while, it was just very, very briefly he would stop by, they would conceive another child he would dip. And eventually, obviously, this wasn't going to work, right? So they got a divorce, and both parties just felt like they had rushed into things. So Dennis really grew up never knowing his dad at all.

Now his childhood was very interesting because he was a loner, but he was obsessed with his grandpa. So his mom was kind of obsessive over his siblings, so his older brother and his younger sister, the mom was like obsessed with them, very dodi with them, just patient, and then with Dennis, she wasn't particularly abusive, she just didn't really care for him, didn't think that he was that special or entertaining or really anything. So his grandpa was his BFF. Now his grandpa was a fisherman.

So anytime that he had to go away for work it would be like weeks or months at a time. Like it's a lengthy job process. So Dennis said that during these times life would be completely empty until he returned. Now when Dennis turns six, his great hero, his protector, that's what he called his grandpa, dies. but not in like the just regular traumatic way. So Dennis comes home one day, right? And his mom's crying. So he's like, hey, mom, like, what's wrong? Why are you crying? And she's all like, well, do you want to see your grandpa? Uh, sure. Oh, okay. Yeah. Where's grandpa? He's in

the kitchen. And he princesses the kitchen because he's so excited as he grow up How he didn't think grandpa would be home and he goes and there's just an open coffin on the kitchen table and it's grandpa Like that's how we found out grandpa was dead like his mom did not even tell him like listen I know you were close with your grandpa I know you love your grandpa She was just like you want to see grandpa go in the kitchen Like you had no idea that his grandpa died until he saw grandpa laying dead in a box So he's like what

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And so she was like grandpa's in a better place now, but she never really elaborated So Dennis said that he at first felt really really upset with the fact that if grandpa is in a better place now Why the fork did he not take me like why, why didn't he take me with him? Like, was there, is it an expensive trip or something? Like, what's going on? He just felt really depressed and like, he felt abandoned. Now, he would start going on walks after his grandpa passed on all of the places

that his grandpa used to take him. He became really reserved. If anyone tried to show him any sort of affection, like if an uncle or an aunt tried to give him a hug He would just completely reject it. He would just flat out would not know how to react just really really uncomfortable Now he had a very tricky relationship with his grandma and his mom because he resented them He felt like they gave an unfair amount of attention to his other siblings He just felt like that they're your favorites like you don't even care about me

The only person who cared about me was grandpa. And that caused him later to kind of resent his own siblings as well. I mean, he does later on get a little too creepy close with his younger sister. I'll get into that. But yeah, so far, he's just like resenting them. So what he would do is, because like I said, his grandpa had died, well, I didn't say this actually,

his grandpa had died while at sea during his work. They retrieved his body and brought him back. So he was a fisherman. So he was always at sea. So what he would do is little Dennis would go to the water. He would walk into the water and simulate drowning. So he would still be tall enough to stand, but he would dunk his head under water and just like pretend to drown. And he would consistently do this. Now one day when he's 10 years old, why does he do that? He said he felt so close to Grandpa. Oh, so like that was the only way you could feel close to Grandpa. he's 10 years old, he said he felt so close to grandpa. So like that was the only way you could feel close to grandpa. So at 10 years old he goes out

and to see he's simulating drowning. Now at this point he had gotten a little bit too deep where he was like barely able to stand and keep his head above water. And while he's simulating drowning like dunking his head underwater, it started pushing him out further. So the tide pushed him out further and he actually tide pushed him out further, and he actually began to drown, and he would have completely drowned to death if it weren't for someone who came to save him. So when he experienced this, he believed that his grandpa had pulled him out, and he started feeling like this tranquil feeling, like he was like, oh, this is tranquility, like I'm with my grandpa again, but in reality, another boy saw him flailing around, dragged him out

of the water, and now the boy sees Dennis just kind of like limp on the shore like he had carried him out of the water he is breathing he is alive but he's just kind of like knocked unconscious and that is at this point the boy decides to masturbate onto Dennis just like look at him and I guess masturbate on 10 I guess this is really odd but you'll see this all kind of like, we'll do like a full circle moment, but like not in a good way. Yeah, it's like a whole full circle moment. But then how does he know this happened?

Apparently maybe he was like in and out of consciousness. But like he woke up and there was a lot of white sticky residue all over him and stuff. And so, And he was still six? He was 10 at this point. Yeah, yeah. And so his early teenagers after this moment I mean, I would say that he was probably really traumatized. He claims that he wasn't

But like I'm sure that's incredibly traumatizing when you're ten. You just haven't really categorized it as trauma So his early teenage years he was really just confused about his sexuality He felt like he was attracted to men But at the same time back in the day wasn't widely accepted So he tried to suppress it and suppress it and suppress it about his sexuality. He felt like he was attracted to men, but at the same time, back in the day, it wasn't widely accepted. So he tried to suppress it and suppress it and suppress it, but he also didn't ever want to be labeled. So later when the police arrest him

and they start asking questions, he would say things like, you know, for records sake, you can call me a homosexual, for records sake. But it seemed like he didn't necessarily define himself, like in one particular group or another. He was just like, I don't know, I was just pretty confused most of the time. So when he's a teenager, he didn't really have any serial killer tendencies.

So he wasn't really violent towards people, not towards animals. He didn't do any bed wetting. I mean, there seemed to be a little bit of sexual abuse. And when I say a little bit, I'm talking about the boy who masturbated on him when he was brought ashore. But then also, he said that an older teenage boy went time just like molested him and was like touching him. I don't think there was any like penetration that happened,

but there was a lot of just like molesting. Like he was touching him. But he said that the, it wasn't unpleasant. Like that's what he said about it. So again, I feel like it's traumatic. I just don't think that he may be categorized it as traumatic. Maybe his brain felt better being like, no, no, it was fine. It's okay, it's traumatic, I just don't think that he may be categorized it as traumatic. Maybe his brain felt better being like, no, no, it was fine. It's okay. It's chill.

So I think there was a little bit of sexual abuse for sure. Now he also wasn't necessarily bullied. So that's where it gets confusing. So he wasn't like bullied and ostracized to the brink of being crazy. Like some kids were like, oh, I think he's gay and they would kind of make fun of him, but not really to the open either. So for most things that I read, it seems that a lot of people talked behind his back

but never straight to his face. So he wasn't like getting beat up at school or anything of that sort. Now one day, he volunteers to search for a missing man in the local area. Him and his friends were like, hey, this guy went missing. Let's go help look for him.

So they joined off a search party and they found his corpse. He had drowned at night and he had washed ashore. And he said that this was his second time seeing a dead person and it was just so strange. So then his mom gets remarried to a man by the name of Andrew Scott who becomes his stepdad. And they all move in with Andrew Scott.

And his mom ends up having four more children with Andrew. So now we got seven kids total, which is a lot. And Dennis initially hated Andrew. He said that he was unfair and just like really mean to disciplinarian, but then he slowly started to respect him. So I don't know if that means anything. And this is around the time that Dennis becomes close to his sister, his younger sister by the name of Sylvia.

They would talk to each other, they would play games with each other, which is a lot more than what Dennis did with his other siblings, hisdad his grandma like his mom Like he was the closest with his younger sister Silvia now what became alarming is that one day who's thinking about it He's like listen I hate the fact that I'm into boys like I wish I was an into boys I think it's annoying. I wish I was just into girls But for some reason I'm not that into girls and he's thinking about it like why am I into boys like why are all these other boys at my school not into other boys

But I'm into boys and he realizes that all of the boys that he was physically attracted to had similar facial features As his younger sister like they either have like the same colored eyes like the same no structure and he was like oh my god I know why. It's because I like boys just because I love Sylvia as a younger sister. And so maybe that sort of love got little miscommunicated in my brain. And now I love boys who look like Sylvia.

And so he thought that the cure to all of this was to sexually molest Sylvia. So he started touching her and grooping her. Again, there was no rape, but it was, I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say.

I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. obviously still attracted to boys afterwards. So we never attempted any relationship or sexual experiences during middle school, high school, just like during most of his teenage years. He was attracted to a lot of guys. He never acted on it. And that's around the time when I said he was, you know, molested by an older teenage boy and he described the experience as not unpleasant. So at 15, Dennis is like, what am I going to do with my life? He's already having like a midlife crisis at 15 years old, right?

And he just didn't get along with his family. So he's like, I want to get out of here. I want to do something different. So he decides to join the army. Now, when you're 15 years old, you will have to take a series of tests to confirm that you're capable of joining the army. Like, are you intellectually capable? Are you emotionally capable?

Like, we got to make sure that you're not going to do some dumb, when you're 15. And so they find out that during these series of tests that he's above average intelligence and he excelled in things like history. And so in the army he wanted to be trained to become a chef. He just really loved cooking. He learned how to butcher animals which kind of comes in handy later. Oh yeah. So he excelled in the army. He said during the first three years it was like the happiest time of his life. Like he was fitting fitting in he loved that he could travel to different areas You know taking different training courses and different bases like he could just move around

He was mobile now. He would go on a very strict shower schedule Where he was scared of showering with other army colleagues because he might get an erection a little bon bon because you know He was attracted to men So if he saw these men but naked, he'd get a little boner, which is completely fine, but he did not want to get exposed for being gay, right, or bisexual. So he would shower alone,

and he would often masturbate in the shower. Now, I feel like in hindsight, a lot of people made this out to be like, oh my god, you know, because he's a serial killer, right? But this feels pretty normal. This feels like every college dude go into the shower alone in masturbate instead of in front of all your dorm roommates.

Like it just seemed like an okay thing to do. And so eventually he gets stationed in West Germany. And oh my god, you know what I need to look up? Jeffrey Dahmer was also stationed in West Germany. Mm-hmm. I just, that is so, I don't know why. I needed to look that up. I was like, this feels a lot like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Um, or, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer feels a lot like Dennis Nelson, sorry. Don't get offended. Okay. So anyways, in West Germany, he started drinking a lot and one time him and this German youth, they get drunk. They get so drunk that they both pass out together. And he woke up first and he looks over. He sees this German dude just like knocked out. And he's like, wow, I like this.

Like I like the idea that this German dude is just laying there unconscious, probably not going to wake up, even if I shake him, even if I rattle him, even if I step on him, like he'll just be asleep. He's knocked out cold. I like that. And so from then on, anytime him and his army mates would get drunk, he would pretend to be unconscious. Like he would literally have one sip of beer and then be like, guys, I'm so wasted. And then he would knock out in their room because he's, you know, too unconscious to walk back to

his room. So he would knock out on their bed and hope that one of them would sexually molest his unconscious body. Oh, he, oh wow. So he likes the idea of seeing other people unconscious but also hopes that someone would touch him while he's quote unquote unconscious. Oh wow. Yeah. So during this time he also was obsessed with photography in the army, so we started taking a lot of pictures. Now, were they just any pictures of him and his army mates, like in their little camo gear,

you know, eating some MREs and shit? No. He would take pictures of fellow army people, and he'd be like, listen, I'm the photographer, so I'm going to direct this photo shoot. So I want you guys to lay on the ground and pretend that you just got shot, which, first of all, seems like a really alarming thing to do and probably forks with a lot of

people's PTSD but like whatever Dennis okay so they would all be like that's really creepy but okay he's gonna keep bothering us unless we all lay on the ground and pretend that we're unconscious or dead because we've just been shot so they would all lay there on the ground he would take these pictures he would go get them developed and then he would put them up on his walls and his dorms and he would kind of play it off as like oh like we're all just friends and I put these pictures up of us because we're friends but a lot of people thought it was weird like the people in the pictures were like this dude's weird you know so what what why does he do that he likes the look of unconscious people

like is that something that turns a mom? Oh yeah. He loves like dead things. He'd even put on makeup later on to make himself look dead and would stare at himself in the mirror. Oh wow, so this is like almost like people due to put like those models on their wall.

Yeah. Yeah. I just, oh, they're attracted to you, right? Yeah, and he's like attracted to dead people Yeah, he was like a weird neck affiliate. It's when does that start again? So he saw the grandpa first so a lot of people think that it fused when he saw his grandpa who is dead because his grandpa Was the only person that he loved and now he was getting really confused between love and people who are dead God, you know, okay, so like that's where he was like okay love and people who are dead. Got it. You know? Okay. So that's where he was like, okay, so should everyone I love be dead or like does someone I

love do, are they dead? Like he was just getting real confused and twisted and he would even go drown himself to try to feel closer to his grandpa so he had a really weird relationship with death. Now I mean, I don't know though because also, you know, my grandpa died when I was pretty young and I was really close to him and I know my grandpa died when I was pretty young And I was really close with him and I know so many people's grandparents died really young I wonder what it takes to get to this point right right right because I feel like every kid struggles with the concept of death But like what what happened here where it turned into like oh god now I get turned on by death is it something?

I don't know it's's just for you. It sounds like one star has to do with he's pretending that he's not conscious. Even him asking his mates to pretend to be dead, that's another step of, hey, I kind of like this unconsciousness or this pretend death. And then later on, I proceed to real death, right? Yeah. There was actually a YouTube channel that got banned, or I don't know if they got banned or deleted, but it's like a whole genre where people like messing just with unconscious people. Now, obviously, we've talked about it

how people like dead people, because they're unconscious, they can't say no, they can't fight back, and they just like the idea that someone's dead, and then you're like, fucking them. Crazy, okay, that's necrophilia, right? But there's a group of people who, it's called I believe eye checking where when someone is so knocked out, people get sexually turned on by like opening up their eyelid and seeing them being knocked out and not waking up. Yeah, and it's like an area where people will pay money to see that.

What is that? Is that a king? It's a king. It's a king? Yeah, and it's a legal. Unless I mean, maybe she signed a consent form before she knocked out. Wait, so if you're following us, you fell asleep when I open your eyelids. What does that mean? I mean, is that illegal?

I think it should be illegal because if you're like sending them around the internet without my knowledge. Oh, okay. So that's like you are getting sexual gratification without consent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you're also recording it. I don't know where the legal line is, but I'm sure it's really blurry and you've got to get arrested for that. And so there was like this YouTube channel of a guy who was posting his friends knocked out and he would eye-check them, like meaning flipping open their eyelids and they would be like wasted drunk and so they passed out so obviously

it like looks like they're passed out when he lifts their eyelids and a bunch of people are leaving in the comments like I love your content dude. Yeah and so if you look deep into it there's something called eye-checking where people like to see videos of unconscious women getting eye-checked just like their eyelids being lifted to show that they're crazy unconscious. That sounds more like drug than anything. Yeah, it's just a crazy weird little, I feel like everything's kinky these days. I feel like I could go into a grocery store and then someone would be like, that's kinky, I like it. And I'll be like, what? I just feel like everything could get kinky. And so that's when he starts going out with his army mates.

And of course, at this base, a lot of people started messing along with prostitute. So all of his army mates would be like, let's go out. Let's get some prostitutes tonight. It'll be great. It'll be fun. And most of the times, he would go out with them. But then he would later make up an excuse. excuse like I've got to go water my cat

Like something really dumb and they'd be like okay, like I know you don't really have an obligation because we all are in the army together Like it's not like you have a separate job and you're like oh, I got to go to work early tomorrow Like we all get up at the same time dude, you know, and so there would be some times where he couldn't finesse his way out of it Because like I said Dennis was really paranoid about people thinking that he was a homosexual and so he would constantly be like no no I just I really like something came up like I gotta go poo like I gotta go do this thing and they'd be like God what's wrong with you and then he'd be like okay you know what yeah you're right you're right like let's just let's just get wasted and get some prostitutes right he would just be peer pressured and the couple of times that he did have sex with woman, he called it overrated. That is overrated and depressing. And so at this point,

he gets transferred yet again to a different base. Now this base was in a very dangerous area. So he was actually the chef at a prison, like he was a prison cook, right? And one time he gets kidnapped by a taxi driver on his way to prison to work. So he gets kidnapped. And I think that they knew that he was part of the army, right? So they were like, Oh, like maybe I'll get something out of this. I'm not sure why they kidnapped him by a taxi driver who beat Dennis up and then put Dennis in the trunk of the taxi car. And so finally, the taxi park somewhere, he opens up the trunk and the taxi driver's looking at Dennis. And Dennis decides to grab the jack handle that's inside the trunk, knock out the taxi driver,

and then put the taxi driver in his own taxi trunk. Uh-huh. That was the only cool moment in Dennis' life, yeah. Everything else goes downhill from there. But he- What happened? He just escaped? He's scared. And again, he said that this again made a very complex relationship with death for him. He killed the driver.

He didn't kill him, but he liked the feeling that he had been knocked unconscious and placed in a trunk. Oh, he enjoyed it. Yeah, and then he knocked the taxi driver unconscious and then placed him in a trunk and now he was getting all confused Like there was just a lot going on with death, you know, in his life He just yeah, it was really weird. So at this particular base. It was unlike any others He had his own private room So he didn't have any more dorm roommates He didn't have to like go to the showers at a specific time so that he could masturbate

He could just masturbate on his bed in his own comfort, you know And that's when what I like to call the phase of masturbation, experimentation, started happening, which honestly is a very healthy process to go through. Just maybe not in this way, right? So he bought this free standing mirror. A mirror that doesn't have to be propped up against a wall or like a, it was like a long mirror, like a total mirror, right? And he positioned the mirror with his head out of the view so that only his body was in the mirror view, but he could still see the mirror, and then he would masturbate, and he would visualize another man instead of him, which is crazy. Because like, I would like to say that I go through like ups and downs of myself confidence,

but not once. Not once was like, you know what? I want to have sex with myself like I'm so cool like that. Like I just think it's really crazy, no? Maybe he should. Maybe he should. But he would visualize another person in his place. So like he would be masturbating into the mirror, but he'd be like, oh that's Jerry. That's Jeffrey Dahmer. You know what I mean? Sorry. But he'd be like, that's Jeffrey, you know? Like he wouldn't be like, that's me

and I'm just staring at myself. He'd be like, oh, I'm watching Jeffrey do this to himself. Yeah. I guess back in the days, there's not a lot of porn resources. Yeah. And so he said that at that point, he was able to split his personality visually speaking.

So I don't want to like, I know that the movie split made it hard to differentiate between split, like split, I guess something like that or whatever, with, um, I don't know, like I'm not trying to say that he's claiming that he had DID is what I'm trying to say. He just said that he could be dominant and passive is what I'm trying to say. He just said that he could be dominant and passive in the relationship at the same time. OK. So that's kind of his mind process, which is a little interesting.

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So then eventually, he starts thinking while he's masturbating, because like I said, masturbation experimentation. Someone write a book using that title. Honestly, it's a good phrase, okay? So he's like, what should I think about today? What should I think about? And then slowly, he starts thinking about the dead soldier's body that he's seen,

and that's when you know it's getting alarming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just like dead soldiers. He was like, I've seen that before and he starts masturbating to the idea of dead soldiers. And then he gets real classical with it. So there was this one painting called the Rafft of Medusa. And it was a 19th century oil painting. So like a really fancy like one of those art history majors probably could tell you 25 million things about this painting right and it was an old man holding the body of a limp nude naked young boy as like he's also sitting next to another naked boy who's dismembered and he's just like sitting there and it's supposed to be like poetic and shit but he was like you know what I'm horny

like let me masturbate to this so he would masturbate to like a I don't know if it was like, you know what, I'm horny. Like, let me masturbate to this. So he would masturbate to like a, I don't know if it was like a print copy of the 19th century oil painting, but he would think about the raft of Medusa. Are you serious? That's what you're saying, like super classical. I would almost dare say classy of him to do so, but not really, because like, what?

Why not the Mona Lisa or something? Like that doesn't have. That's creepy honey. I mean, okay, but like, you know what I mean? Like, but like you know I mean like or like as someone just sitting there like not necessarily Dead people like this is supposed to be like an emotional tumultuous like you don't really I know that they had some Kinky paintings in the 19th century like you could totally find some kinky kinky stuff But he was like no the raft of Muthusa like why and so his favorite fantasy later on became a young man who dies in war so a soldier dies in the war field He's laying there on the ground and old man walks up to it and washes the corpse with a rag and then

Sprite eagles the dead soldiers legs and starts performing necrophilia just having sex with the dead body. That was his favorite fantasy Which is really crazy, okay? Especially crazy to think that he should probably relate more to the dead soldier that's getting abused than the old man. I don't know who he thought he was. Maybe he is imagining. Yeah.

He is the dead soldier. But either way, he was so into it. So 11 years after being in the army, he finally ends his military service and he moves back home. Now, once he moves home, his mom starts nagging him. She's like, why don't you have a girlfriend? When are you gonna give me grandchildren?

When are you gonna start a family? Come on, Dennis, time is ticking. Why don't you know any girls? Do you want me to introduce you to someone? You know, my neighbor's got a friend who's got a friend, whose daughter might like you. You know, like she was doing all friend, who's got a friend, whose daughter might like you. Like, she was doing all of this and he was like, oh, God, this is so annoying.

Like, shut up, mom, right? And that's when all of his siblings, and he sat down to watch a documentary about gay men. Now, all of his siblings were disgusted by it. They were like, ew, right. They were just like, fork and rude. And he started speaking up for the gay men. And he was like, what are you talking about?

Like, why is that ill? What's wrong with you? Like, who's to say love is not about? Like, why is that ill? What's wrong with you? Like, who's to say love is not love? Like, why is your love better than their love? I'm getting heated. Okay, you know, who's to say that? Like, why are you grossed out? Why are you grossed out, right?

And a fight ensues and his older brother starts telling his mom, Dennis's gay, Dennis's gay. Because he was like, there's no reason for you to be so caught up and so crazy and wound up about gay men if you're not gay. And so pretty much outsteined to his own mom. Now there was no solid proof of this, but his mom was really upset and his mom was like, no, you can't be gay.

And so Dennis was like, okay, like I'm moving out of here. So he never spoke to his brother ever again since that moment. And he would have very sporadic contact with the rest of his family. So he moves out of Scotland and moves into London, right? So to the UK. And he has a brief, about a year of work in the police force in London. During this time, he started visiting a lot of gay pubs

and he would have a lot of just like sexual encounters with men and they were all kind of one night stands. He wanted a lasting relationship but they were all one night stands. And he said that it was completely soul-destroying and he would only lend his body to his partner in search of inner peace. So it was just kind of poetic, I don't know.

He'd like really over dramatized things, but he just really wanted a long-term partner. So he eventually leaves the police force and starts working at that job center where he would still work when he gets arrested. So he held this job at the job center for a really long time. He helps unskilled laborers find employment and everyone's side out worked that he was just quiet, he was a conscientious employee, his attendance was kind of mediocre

but he worked overtime a lot and eventually he became an executive officer. Now during this time on his off days, what did he like to do? Did he like to go out in search of that long term relationship he's looking for? Because sometimes you don't find that at a pub. Yet I was sometimes you find that. Go into these match makers. Maybe try something like that, right? But no, he would spend all of his time putting on makeup to make himself look dead. Like blue makeup to make his skin tint a little bit gray

and blue, and he would even like mix up fake blood and like drip it down the side of his mouth. And he would stand in front of the mirror, stare at himself, and masturbate to his dead face. Oh yeah. Wow. Which is like a really interesting king. That's when he meets a man by the name of David Gallican. So he was a 20 year old man who was being threatened outside of a pub that Dennis goes to

a lot by these two big dudes and Dennis was able to get David away from his bullies and was like listen David you look really beat up you look like you're sweating you look like you're a little alarmed why don't you come back to my place and you can eat and we can drink more because you know this club is dangerous so they go back to Dennis's place and they start eating they start drinking and they get along really well that's when Dennis learns that David is unemployed and he's homeless and he's moving from one hostel to another, right?

And so out of nowhere, when the morning time came around, obviously it's time for David to leave because it's a one night stand, like we're not in a relationship, you should get out of my house, right? But Dennis just doesn't want him to leave. So he looks at David and goes, hey, you wanna move in with me?

What? And David is looking around at his tiny little apartment and he's like, um, and Dennis is like, listen, we can get a bigger place. Yeah, it'll be fun. And so obviously David had nothing to lose because right now he was homeless and unemployed. So he was like, yeah, okay. So they end up renting a flat on Melrose Avenue in London. Yeah, it was a nice big ground floor flat. He had used about like a thousand pounds that his biological dad had left him when his biological dad died recently.

So he had used that money to pay like the, I guess like the, what do you call it security deposit on this place? And it had access to a private garden in the back which it becomes really pertinent to the story. And so they were like, we can keep a dog and it's pretty cheap because the place needed a lot of renovation. So they're like, okay, let's move in. So within a couple of days of meeting David, David and Dennis get a new flat together and they move in together.

Flat is also like an apartment. Cause Dennis, I guess just really didn't want to be alone and David really had nothing to lose. So he's like, whatever, my name's not on the list. Let's go. Do he really love him or like him? No. I mean, kind of and kind of not.

So they move into the flat, and like I said, it was incredibly cheap because it needed a lot of renovation. The flat itself was big. They also had a private garden in the back. So they're like, OK, we're going to get a dog. Now, the whole plan was that originally, Dennis was going to help David find a job because he

works at the job center, right? But then he was like wait maybe not maybe David you should be a stay at home dude and you can help fix up the flat you know because it was really nasty so maybe you can do some like work in the back make the garden livable and shit and so Dennis really loved being the bread winner of the house. He liked being able to control David. He felt like David could never leave because he was the one that makes the money and like provides the housing and stuff. And they never called each other their boyfriends, but they just kind of stopped seeing other men.

And I don't know if that has to do with the fact that they lived together, so it'd be difficult to bring home other men. But they just kind of became somewhat exclusive. Now Dennis would say that he was sexually attracted to David, but they barely rarely ever had intercourse. Really? Yeah, and everyone's like, well that's marriage, so get over it Dennis.

That's true. They're like, don't be having cleaning. I'm just kidding. And so they get a dog named Bleep. Oh yeah, you're bad Bleep. Uh huh, they get a dog and they name it Bleep. Is it a good Bleep? I mean, I guess so. Bleep, come here.

Like, that's such a weird name. Bleep. Come here, you little good Bleep. Oh, you're a it bleep. This is a good bleep. I mean, I guess so. Bleep come here. That's such a weird name. Bleep. Come here, little good bleep. Oh, you're a bad bleep. Within a year of moving in together, they start fighting a lot. So they eventually start sleeping separately in different rooms and they would bring home different casual partners.

So like Dennis would bring home someone. David would bring home someone and eventually David moved out and Dennis got really, really depressed. He wanted someone to immediately move in and eventually David moved out and Dennis got really really depressed He wanted someone to immediately move in and take David's spot, right? But no relationship that he would have with any other men would last more than a few weeks and no men wanted to move in with him They were just like, whoa like I just met you. What are you talking about? And so Dennis started to believe that he was unfit like he was like nobody wanted him Nobody loved him. Nobody wanted to live with him like maybe he was unfit, like nobody wanted him, nobody loved him, nobody wanted to live with him.

Like maybe he was just a shitty roommate, like he was just getting really down in the dumps about it. And so other than his occasional one night stands, he started living a life in just really intense solitude, like 2020 before 2020, you know, type vibe. Then he meets a little boy by the name of Stephen. So he saw Stephen Holmes outside of the pub that he goes to. Now Stephen was 14 years old, but Dennis claims that he thought that he was at least 17 years old, okay?

So Stephen's out there trying to buy drinks at this pub and he fails, like the bartenders, like you're literally not a wage, so buy. And so Dennis hears this and he's like, hey, why don't you come back to my place? I've got drinks. So they go back to his place, they start drinking, they start listening to music, and they have a really good time.

They even crawl into the same bed together, they fall asleep. Now in the morning, Dennis wakes up first, and this is kind of like the same experience that he had in the army in Germany. He looks over and Steven is knocked out cold. So that's when he's like, man, I'm just really sad that Steven's going to leave. Look, I'm so sad to even go to the restroom right now because if I get up and make noise, Steven's gonna wake up, he's gonna gather his things

and he's gonna be like, well, it's nice to meet you and then leave. And I don't like that, I don't like that. And he's looking over at Steven, who's asleep, he starts caressing his hair, he starts touching his face a little bit and he gets up from the bed, goes into his closet, grabs a necktie. Now he slowly walks back to the bed and slips it under Stephen's neck, gets on top of his chest and pulls as tightly as possible,

starts strangling him with a necktie. And he said that Stephen's body came alive immediately and they struggled and struggled and eventually they ended up on the floor and finally Steven grew limp. Now Dennis realized that Steven was still not dead, he was just unconscious. So he runs into the kitchen and Dennis fills up a plastic bucket full of water and he drowns Steven. Are we seeing all these weird connections here? Drowning the unconscious body just all of it. So he drowns Stephen. Are we seeing all these weird connections here? Drowning, the unconscious body, just all of it. So he drowns him.

There was no more struggle, he said, but he wanted to make sure so he waited for all the bubbles to stop coming up in the bucket of water, so he really, really drowns him. Then he lifts Stephen up, he places him on like a chair in the living room. Now there's water dripping from his hair, and that's when he realizes, oh my God. I don't even remember this guy's name from last night. I was so drunk. Steve.

You see then yeah he completely forgot his name so he's like who is this guy and he said that he was just in complete shock like he can't he couldn't believe that he killed someone. He made himself some coffee, started smoking some cigarettes. He's like what do I do? What do I do? Right? And that's when his dog bleep walked over and he's the bleep Sniff the dead guy on the armchair and so Dennis freaks out and is like get away dog like what are you doing? Which is kind of crazy because you're smart with the guy, but like okay your dog sniffing him is so crazy Right and so he starts thinking what do I do with Steven's body? What do I do? So he takes the neck tie off of his neck and then carries him into the bathroom and washes him in the bathtub.

And he just said that his body was really limp and floppy and he would completely dry him with a towel, dry his hair, put him on the bed. And even though there was starting to form some discoloration on the lips and the face, he still felt like it was worth it because now his friend couldn't leave him. Oh yeah.

And he said in quotes, the beginning of the end of my life as I had known it, I started down the avenue of death, possession of a new kind of flatmate. New kind of what? Flatmate, which is a roommate. He's like a flatmate, you're my flatmate. Do you get it?

Yeah. Flat. Oh. Yeah, but flat is like apartment. Yeah. So like a possession of a new kind of roommate. He would then go on to have 15 of these types of roommates. So Dennis thought that the corpse was beautiful. He didn't really understand why he killed Steven. He just said that he didn't want him to leave because he had spent Christmas alone and he didn't want to spend New Year alone. Like that was like his whole thing. Like I don't want to be alone for New Year's Eve.

So then he would get ready for work the next day. He would say goodbye. Like bye Steven, I'll be home soon. And then he would come back home. He would eat dinner with him and he'd be like, oh yeah, what my day at work. Let me fucking tell you, a care and walked in today. And he would just talk to Steven as if Steven was alive.

He would also continue to put makeup all over Steven to make him look a little bit more alive, like to hide all of the bruising on his neck. It didn't seem like the discoloration bothered him as much as the bruising on the neck, Ted. So it's like he wanted to see dead people, but didn't want to see the cause of death. So that's kind of a little bit where he's different

from people, I think, like other serial killers. Whereas like, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer kept like skulls and shit and wanted to make a shrine. So he just didn't really, maybe he wasn't as twisted, I'm not sure. So then eventually he ends up going to the hardware store and he bright buys an electric knife, a pot, and he tries to dismember the body, but he just like couldn't do it. Like he was like, I love this guy, you know, like I can't, I can't pull him apart, I can't do this. What do I do, what do I do? So instead, he dresses Steven up in new clothes, and he said that he really wanted to have sex with the corpse.

Like, he really wanted to. So, you know, Dennis is like, well, I can't have sex with Steven until I shower because that would be rude. That would be rude to have sex with someone when I'm all dirty and sweaty, so I need to go clean myself up. So he goes into the shower,

he comes back out, lays down in bed with Stephen, and that's when he is like, man, I can't get hard, like I can't get an erection. So then he throws Stephen off the bed, and just like covers him in a sheet and falls asleep on the bed. And then he just like proceeds as normal again, makes dinner, watches TV, talks to the body, that's just lying on the ground.

And then finally, yeah. So he, he was, he hasn't done anything to the corpse yet. So he will never actually penetrate a corpse. He will do something called incurridor, little little sex. That exactly, that's the exact word. You can quote me on it and call it little sex. So it's when you put someone's thighs and you cross the thighs and the penis goes in and out of the thighs that are crossed. That's what he.

Yeah. So he's been doing that to the... No. He will only do that to like a few of his victims, but he never did it to Steven. So what does he do? He would sometimes sit on them and just masturbate onto them while he looks at them But he never does penetrated sex which is interesting But what I don't find interesting is later he brings it up as if like whoa guys I know I killed 15 people, but I never penetrated. I see

Okay, that's not how it works Dennis, but uh So interesting right and so finally he was like okay. Well, I need a put Stephen somewhere So he decides to pull up the floor boards in his apartment and he loosens them up and at this point He's like okay, I'm gonna stick Stephen underneath these floor boards put the floor boards back But rigor mortis had set in so obviously he's too stiff to be bent into the floors to go into the floors So he just like props him up against the wall and he's just like stiff up against the wall and he just starts masturbating onto Steven's body. And then the next day Dennis massaged all of Steven's limbs to like loosen it up and

then covered the corpse underneath the floorboards. So I mean I think at this point the rigor mortis had passed and he was on the next phase of decomp but I Just thought I was interesting that he was like massaging this dead person Like a fucking chiropractor. Now a week later He decides to check up on his friend Steven. So a week later he opens up the four blords and he's obviously super dirty Like not only is he decomposing, but he's like in the dust he has ground underneath the floorboards So he drags Steven back into the bathroom washes Steven put Steven back underneath the floorboards

And he uses the same bath water to take a bath Yeah, what kind of lush bath bomb is that? Yeah, so he forget takes a bath in that bath water and Steven would remain under the floorboards for the next seven and a half months. I do not know. I don't know. Honestly, I cannot tell you why anyone, his neighbors, or even his colleagues, because the smell of decomposition, I wouldn't know personally. But from what I've heard, it like stays on your clothes. It like sticks on you as a person. You know, like it's just, it's really hard to get rid of that smell. It's like KBBQ. Like that's like the worst to comparison I can make, but no matter how many times you shower

after Korean barbecue, it's gonna be there for a while. It's gonna linger. Like that's how I feel. Like this is explained, but for some reason nobody noticed. Later Dennis would take out his victims from underneath the floorboards and he would mask, like he would do a bonfire in the garden, in the backyard. And he would put some tire, like, some rubber into it to mask the smell of the bodies. And it just, because, you know, the smell of burnt rubber is so strong

and so distinct. So he would do that three times. And I believe his biggest burn, like, his biggest bonfire had, I want to say, like, five bodies at once. Oh my god. That he had dismembered first. So then immediately afterwards, he meets a man by the name of Andrew Ho. So Andrew was a Hong Kong student who was studying in the UK and they met at a pub. So Andrew said that he was really interested in trying some bondage. And Dennis is like, yeah, yeah, I got it all at home like I'm really into bondage too. Like come on over, right? And that's when they get into some bondage play and all of a sudden Andrew said that he put

Dennis put a neck tie or round Andrew's neck and said you're playing a dangerous game and just started choking the shit out of Andrew and so Andrew was able to get away go straight to the police station and the police are just like oh like lovers coral like I'm, it got too kinky. You couldn't handle the heat and get out of the kitchen, you know. And they did question Dennis, but he said, oh, like we were just doing it. He said he liked it. He said he liked bondage plays.

So we were doing some bondage play. We were also really drunk. Like both of them were wasted, you know. So at that point, Andrew never pressed charges. The police never further investigated Dennis. They just kind of left. Meanwhile, Stephen is underneath the floorboards during all of this what like dead underneath the floorboards you know floorboard seals all of that yeah

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So Dennis finds out that Kenneth is a tourist and he's like oh my gosh like that's amazing. Why don't I take you to some London landmarks and Kenneth is like you know what it's my last day in London. I still haven't seen ABC and D. So yeah, let me go with you. So Dennis starts driving him around, showing him around all these crazy landmarks. And then finally, he's like, do you wanna go back to my place and like share a meal together?

And of course, Kenneth is like really excited. He's like, wow, thank you so much for showing me around. I'd love to go to your place. So they go back to Dennis' place and they start drinking, they start eating, and they're getting along really well. Now, Dennis says he doesn't remember exactly what point in the night that he felt this, but he just got so upset with the fact that Kenneth was flying back to his home country

of Canada tomorrow. So he's like, oh no, this isn't good. So Dennis says, hey, you want to listen to my favorite song? Kenneth's like, sure, yeah, what is it? Here, here, it's better with headphones on. So he gives him a pair of headphones and starts playing that song on like a, well, I don't know what they had in the back of the day,

like a CD player, a Walkman, I don't know, right? So he starts playing that song. And Dennis comes up behind him, wraps that headphone wire around his neck and starts choking him. And he actually was able to drag him across the floor while with like that headphone string, like these are some crazy strong headphones, okay, and then he eventually started drinking some rum, he sat down next to Kenneth's dead body and put the headphones into his own

ears now and started listening to music and just like was hanging out with Kenneth's corpse. So then later he goes and buys a pull-read camera and he starts taking pictures of Kenneth's dead body and suggest a poses. He washes him, he takes the corpse to bed with him. He even laid Kenneth on top of him spread eagle on top of his body while he watched TV for hours. Now this is a little strange to me

because like I don't know if you've ever even like had a dog on top of you, but it's so uncomfortable. But he just placed tennis dead body on top of him and just watched TV for hours. And then he would place him right underneath the floorboards with Steven Holmes. He would take him out multiple times in the next couple of days to sit him on the armchair next time

and watch TV together so he really just enjoyed his company. Kenneth was one of the very few victims where he would cross Kenneth's legs together and penetrate through his thighs, like have sex with his thighs. So, yeah. And then, five months after Kenneth's murder, he meets a sixteen-year-old by the name of Martin Duffy. Now, Martin was hitchhiking to London without his parents' knowledge, because he was sixteen, and he had spent four days just sleeping at the railroad station

Because he didn't have enough money to go back home He didn't want to go back home and it was just kind of like one of those rebellious teen moments So Dennis sees him sleeping at the train station and he's like, hey, you look exhausted Why don't you come to my place for a hot meal? You can shower you could sleep on my bed And of course Martin being exhausted.'s hungry he was like oh wow you're so nice why are you so nice yeah I'll go with you so he goes at Dennis falls asleep on his bed Dennis climbs on top of him and starts strangling him. And again he's limp but he's unconscious but

he's still alive. So that's when he drags Martin to his kitchen fills up the sink with water and starts drowning him. He also bathed him, just like he did his other two victims, and he said that this was the youngest looking body he'd ever seen. Which is a little just weird. So then he would kiss him, he would caress him, he would compliment Martin's body to Martin's dead body, I guess. He would just be like, wow, you have really nice thighs, like talking to a dead person,

and he would masturbate onto the stomach of his corpse. So then once the signs of decomposition got too bad, he would put them underneath the floorboards. And after this, he started killing with a lot more frequency. And the crazy thing with Dennis Nielsen is that most of his victims haven't been identified. So he had killed five more people during this apartment phase, which brings us to a total of eight people. He had attempted

to kill a couple more people. And then only one of those five that he had killed during this time was identified so far as David Sutherland. And he was just really tennis was having some bizarre behavior. So he would do things where he would like just fall like just start crying. Like in the middle of killing people, like he would just cry. He would try to resuscitate a victim at one point. Like he tried to bring a victim back to life after he murdered them. And then afterwards he would stand in front of a mirror and just like spit at his own reflection in the mirror. So I mean there seems to be a lot of just like self hatred going on. Sometimes he would lay next to the dead body and listen to classical music and just like burst into

tears. So I don't know. He was just being real dramatic. Like just don't kill people then dude. He was just doing the absolute most, okay. So then he starts doing these fire disposals because at this point the bodies and the floorboards are full of insects. They're really really smelly, especially during the summer months he said that he would open up the floorboards and he would see maggots crawling out of the eye sockets and the mouths of his dead victims. So we tried placing deodorant under the floorboards he would spray in insectent repellent around the flat twice every single day because these maggots they're not just gonna like stay in the body they're

like let me see what else is out there. And he said that that was trying to prevent them from getting near him. So eventually he would have a huge fire with six bodies that he dismembered all of the bodies and then place them behind in his garden, started a barn fire through in a rubber tire. And he said at this point, neighborhood kids came and watched this big barn fire and he thought it was just very symbolic. Yeah. Holy moly.

And so after the fire burned down, he went through the ashes with a rake, and he was looking for any bone fragments, right? And he sees that a skull was still kind of put together, so he just starts smashing it with a rake. And then he just threw away the ashes like he would his normal trash. And then he had three more victims, and and then finally his final victim at his Melrose Avenue ground floor apartment was a man by the name of Malcolm Barlow. So Malcolm was 23 years old and he was slumped against the wall outside like a building, right? So Dennis sees him on his

way home and he's like, are you okay? And Malcolm's like, listen, I have epilepsy and because my epilepsy I have to take a lot of medication and it just like makes my legs super weak. So I'm a little dizzy right now. So Dennis is like, oh, what? Why don't you come to my house? I'm like literally live a block away. I'll call you in the ambulance.

Call an ambulance. Okay, sorry. And yeah, we can go from there. So Malcolm goes to Dennis' place and they call an ambulance. So the ambulance comes and takes Malcolm away and Dennis did not kill him. So the next day Malcolm goes to Dennis' place and they call it ambulance. So the ambulance comes and takes Malcolm away and Dennis did not kill him. So the next day Malcolm goes to Dennis' house to thank him. So he shows up and he's like, I just wanted to thank you. Like if it weren't for you, I probably would have like gone into

epileptic shock, like you're amazing. He like brought some like little knickknacks, like some food, and so they start eating together. They start drinking together and Dennis started strangling him and put his body underneath the kitchen sink. So Dennis would claim that this was not a sexual killing but the fact that he just didn't really like Malcolm and Malcolm was kind of a new sense as what he said. Like Malcolm didn't want to leave. So he was just like, oh, like, okay, well I got to go like I have work early. You know, you should go and he was just like, oh, well, like let's have one last drink. And if that's what Dennis said. I don't know. Okay. Dennis just said that the dude was getting annoying. So he had to kill him.

Yeah. That is so freaky. And he had no interest in him. Yeah. He did. He did. Yeah. Kitchen sink.

And so later, his landlord comes up to him and is like, hey, I need you to move out. Like while he's got bodies underneath his forebards to the landlord, it's like, yeah, yeah, you know how he moved in here here because it was so cheap because you know, a needed renovations. Well, I want you to move out so I can renovate the place so I can bring in new people and charge them $50,000 million dollars, you know. And so Dennis was like, well, I don't want to move out. And you can't make me move out because I'm sure there's lots against that.

So Lil' Anard was like, how about I pay you a thousand pounds? And Dennis was like, I'll fucking move out when you want me out, you know? And that's when the day before he moves out, he has his third bonfire, his final one, where he dismemberes the rest of his victims and puts a bunch of rubber to disguise the smell and just burnt a bonfire in his backyard. And I don't know if it's because I live in California where even just like lighting a candle gets everyone on edge and they're like, whoa Whoa come down, you know, but like really you can just have these bonfires in your backyard and just like burn rubber and nobody Nobody calls an ambulance like I don't understand But um, he even said that he was kind of amazed at how little people cared about his bonfires

So I can't be the only one, right? So that's when he moves into a unit in the cramly gardens apartment, that's the one with the dry-in-age issues. So he moves into the attic. Now here's the weird thing, right? You might think that the attic poses a couple of problems. First of all, it doesn't have access to a private garden to have a bonfire. It's also, there's no floorboards also because you're not on the ground floor. So there's nowhere to store bodies underneath your floors because you would essentially just drop them to the level right below you.

Uh-huh. So that doesn't make any sense. But Dennis said, yeah, well, that's like the whole point. Dennis was like, I thought that I could stop killing once I moved here because it would be so hard to dispose of bodies and I didn't want to kill anyone. That's what he claims. It's a little weird.

So during the next first two months that he moves into this apartment, I don't want to kill anyone. That's what he claims. It's a little weird. So during the next first two months that he moves into this apartment, no men were assaulted when they had went into Dennis' apartment to have sex, to drink, to whatever they did, none of them were ever hurt or assaulted until Dennis' birthday. November 23rd, he invites 19-year-old Paul knobs to his house and starts strangling him while he was asleep. Now Paul makes it out of life Now Dennis claims the only reason Paul is alive is because belief walked into that room at the same exact moment that he was strangling the shit out of Paul Noms and belief wagged its tail and for some reason that just like made Dennis stop strangling the human

Because the dog just like came in and wagged its tail. I don't know, right? So then Paul wakes up the next morning He goes into the mirror and he's like, well, like why why's my nexo red like what's going on? Right? And Dennis is like, whoa You should call an ambulance. You should get that checked out. You look crazy, dude And so he's like, yeah, okay. Well nice to meet you. I'll see you. Maybe I'll see you one day, right? So he leaves he goes to the hospital and the doctor's like, I think someone tried to strangle you. Like, I think someone tried to kill you. And Paul's like, nah.

And he just goes about the rest of his day. And he lived. He did not die. And then John Howlett, 23-year-old, that Dennis Meats at a pub, he decides he's going to come over. They're going to drink. And that's when he starts strangling him. So John Howlett was the first victim in the Crannley Garden's apartment.

So at this point, the minute that he strangles John, he's like, oh my god, and my friend is coming soon to visit. Like, it's like a day. What am I gonna do? Like, it's not a massive apartment. There's really nowhere to hide the body. Like, he didn't really have like a closet that the friend wouldn't go into. It was just like his room, a bathroom that the friend would use,

the kitchen that the friend would use. He needed to do something. So he's like, okay, what do I do? So he starts dismembering John's body and starts flushing pieces of his flesh down the toilet. Exactly like Jeffrey Dahmer. Okay, so he starts flushing his flesh into the toilet. But then he's like, man, this is taking too long

and the toilet's getting a little slow now, right? So he's like, what do I do? So he boils a bunch of water, puts his head in there with his hands and his feet so that he can boil the flesh off of those and then put other parts of him there so that he can make the flesh more, you know, like braised, like tender to flush a lot more tender than like raw meat. And then he would continue flushing. And then a lot lot of the bones like the torso, like these big bones that he couldn't get rid of, he just like put them into plastic bags and put them into his little wardrobe. There's like put them there and was like this is good. He did sprinkle it with salt so there's that. I don't know if that was like

marinating or seasoning. I don't think it was because he was in a cannibal but he did sprinkle them with salt. I don't know if that was like marinating or seasoning I don't think it was cuz even the cannibal but he did sprinkle them with salt I don't know if that was supposed to be like a smell thing So anyway his friend comes over doesn't suspect anything and what what after he cooked the body He sprinkles salt. Yeah, and then just like puts it into a plastic bag. Oh Yeah, so he tried fleshing as much flesh as he could and then most of the body Like still was just in plastic bags because there's only so much flesh that you can fill it off of a person I think Saul helps air dry process Honey

No, we do like like fish, you know jerky fish You you as on saw in the air dry anyways. So what do you do after like what does it does it make it tender? I know. I think salt helps it dry. Oh, it's not like smelly and moist. Yeah, I think so. Oh God. So then a man by the name of Carl's daughter, this one's a doozy. Okay. So Carl's daughter is a 21 year old man who they met at a pub and Carl was recently depressed because he had just gotten out of a failed relationship. So Dennis is at the pub and he's like, man, there's other fish in the sea. Don't be so caught up about that boyfriend of yours, right? So he's like, why

don't you come over to my place and we'll finish drinking over there? Because the bar's about to close and Carl's like, no, I'm good. And he's like, no, no, no, no, like we're not trying to have sex, dude. Like I get it. Like I'm not trying to be your freaking, um, what do you call it? Rebound. You rebound. Like I'm just trying to be your freaking what do you call it? Rebound. You rebound like I'm just trying to like make you feel good like let's just go Let's just go so Carl's like okay fine. So Carl goes over to Dennis's place and they start drinking now Carl falls asleep in A sleeping bag on the ground the Dennis was like here's a sleeping bag You know, I don't think you should go home because you're so drunk right and right before Carl falls asleep He remembers Dennis saying be careful the zipper on the sleeping bag is a little weird.

And he was like, okay, thanks. And then he fell asleep, and he ended up being awoken up because he felt strangled. He felt like he couldn't breathe. He was like, what's going on, right? He wakes up, and he hears Dennis say, stay still. So at this point, I mean, his first immediate thought was, oh shit, like somehow I had gotten the zipper stuck, and now I'm suffocating in the sleeping bag and Dennis is trying to free

me because he's like, stay still, maybe he's trying to unzip it, I can see his hands on the zipper of the sleeping bag, right? So then he falls unconscious again and then he wakes up but this time his head is being submerged in cold water. He said he felt like he was drowning Carl even said no more, please no more. And then he slowly fell out of consciousness again. And then he slowly awoke up again. And he was placed on Dennis' armchair and he realized that Dennis thought he was dead. So he's like what the fork, right? And then eventually he starts kind of breathing.

He was like in and out of consciousness for the next three days. Dennis realizes this. And instead of killing him, he like tries to nurse him back to health. He starts trying to massage him to increase circulation. He puts him in the bed, places him with blankets, just tries to feed him, keep him like, well, I guess, fed and make him drink water and stuff, and it was just the strangest thing. Finally, after about three days, Carl wakes up and he's like, what the four happened? And it is like, you don't know? You had that crazy nightmare and you were just like throwing your arms around in the sleeping bag when you were drunk. And somehow you got just tangled up in the zipper of the sleeping bag and you started suffocating in there. So I try to take you out, but you were unconscious. I was like, oh my god, he lost a lot of air. So then I had a poor cold water all over your face to try to wake you up.

And for the past three days, I've been nursing you back to health. Dennis then later drove him to a railway station and said, well, I hope to meet you again one day and just like said bye. Now Carl gets on to the railroad and he like goes back home and he's just so confused. So he goes to the doctor and the doctor is like I feel like someone tried to kill you and Carl is like no No, like I got tangled up in a sleeping bag and the doctor is like I think someone tried to kill you and he's like no, you don't you don't get it dude Like you haven't seen the sleeping bag, okay? So then he leaves and for some reason Carl his brain suppresses this traumatic experience

Carl literally forgets about it until months later He's reading a horror novel. And for some reason, all of a sudden, his brain was like, oh my God, I feel like I remember this crazy vivid memory of me being suffocated in a sleeping bag. And so he tells his family and he's like, did I ever say anything like that?

And they're like, no. And he's like, that's so weird. I feel like I was drowned and like in a sleeping bag. God, why don't I remember that? So his family is like, you need to go to a psychiatrist, okay? So they take him to a psychiatrist and all these psychiatrists are telling him your brain is making up these memories, you know? Maybe you read about it.

Maybe it's this or that, but we're going to prescribe you some antidepressants and for the longest time until the police arrested Dennis for being a serial killer, he did not think that this was real. Everyone told him it was fake memory that his brain created. Shit that your brain does to protect you, I guess. And then eventually the police found Carl and was like, hey, are you the guy because Dennis told us that there was this one guy who got away, his name was Carl, and he was in a sleeping bag, and he killed him or tried to. and then he nursed him back to health.

And Karl, like, really lost it from there. So Karl's family still believes, I mean, I too, believes that Karl was a murder victim because even though he survived, there was just a lot. So there was the first thing of survivor's guilt. You know, there was a lot of victims who died in Dennis' apartment, why didn't Carl? And Carl became so depressed, and there was such a long period of him thinking that he was crazy. Like everyone kept telling him, these are fake memories that you're thinking, right? So he believed that he was crazy, and so he became so depressed that he would later just... He thought maybe why didn't Dennis kill me? It would have been better if he did.

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He writes an angry letter to his landlord saying, let's send, my drains are blocked. The situation is intolerable and you need to fix it. The other residents here are hated too. I already know this. I spoke to the other residents. So the landlord, the next day, sends someone to go into Dennis' apartment

and fix the drainage. And he's like, oh, what are you talking about? I'm not the one that wrote that letter. Like, I'm not experiencing any issues. Bye. So the plumber just gets sent away because he was actively in the process of dismembering Steven's body in the kitchen.

So there's no way he could come in. So he was just like, oh, that wasn't me, bye. And so that was just the weirdest thing, right? So then the next day, he sees the plumbers downstairs underneath the house going through the piping that night. The remember the first day where the two plumbers were like, Hey, should we call our boss? It looks like human meat. And that's when Dennis was there. And everyone heard Dennis say, man, it looks like someone's fleshing their Kentucky fried chicken down the toilet, which is just like an odd thing to say. so I think he was trying to plant a seed that it was just like fried chicken instead of all

I don't know Stevenson Claire right so he's like man there goes our neighbor again with that KFC like what Like what so then now we're back to the beginning of the podcast where he gets caught he gets arrested He gets brought in because he says he's killed 15 people. So they send the trash bags in to be analyzed by a pathologist and they said, wow, this guy did some pretty good work, which is not a good thing. Like he has good knowledge on how to dismember a body cleanly. Inside the bag there was two dismembered torsos, various internal organs, a human skull that was completely devoid of any flesh because he had boiled it. A severed head, a torso with arms, that was attached, but the hands were missing.

Because he had a little thing for boiling hands. He just felt like it was, I don't know, easier to get rid of the hand meat. I guess because the hand is a lot of bone and limbs and not as much flesh. So we needed to boil it so that he'd dispose of the bones, right? And then it's almost immediately starts confessing, like he's not trying to hide anything. He was like, yeah, also inside my apartment, there's more bags of flesh that you completely missed. And so the police go back, and they start going through, and there's like just more heads, more toys, so, there's more flesh in these bags.

And he's like, oh, by the way, also, I killed about like 12 to 13 men at my former address called 195 Melrose Avenue, so you should totally try going there. And they go there. And like I said, a lot of these people were, you know, killed in the bonfire, like he disposed of them. So the police investigated, excavated the backyard

of that Melrose Avenue apartment, and they found over a thousand bone fragments in the garden, like tiny little fragments. Geez. I mean, it was crazy. So then during the interrogation, he kind of said it as if it was like this amazing thing that he was like, well I never had penetrative sex with the victims. Like, what are you talking about? I'm not a disgusting, you know, human.

What's wrong with you? He also said that he threw away any valuables so that they couldn't ID the victim, even expensive watches. He threw it away. he didn't keep it, he's a good person. He was just interested in the company of the boys. So his M.O. went on something along like this. He would meet someone at a pub, he would invite them over, they would drink, he would then strangle them, a lot of them died via drowning. So it was either strangulation or just nocturn conscious and then drowned. So the cause of death was either orulation or just knocked unconscious and then drowned.

So the cause of death was either or, right? And then he would bathe them, he would shave their chest because he liked like a certain shave on the chest. So he would shave the dead body, he would apply makeup to the next so that any of the bruising on the strangulated part would go away. And he would dress the victim up and he would just start talking to them. He would typically masturbate while he was standing next to or on top of the dead body. And then he would have the intercural sex sometimes which is through thighs.

So when they asked, you know, I mean, this person's dead, why not just rape them? Why not just, you know, go full on necrophilia? He said because these people that he killed were too perfect and beautiful for the pathetic ritual of commonplace sex What what a weird dude. Yeah, and he said that the dismembering thing was really really hard So you know like I said with the Melrose Avenue He would put them under all the floorboards and the dismemberment process before he would do bonfires came weeks or even months You know with the first victim of seven and a half months

They were just left under the floorboards like just literally decomposing. He said that there were maggots all over the place, but even though he hated it, he would throw up by the sight of the maggots. He's still masturbated on them to say goodbye. To say goodbye. Yeah, I just don't know how you could even get an erection at that point, but he did. So then he would take them out of the floorboards, he would grab salt to get rid of the maggots, which I don't, that, that's so gross to me. And then once he got rid of the maggots and the flies, he would vomit while he would dismember them because more maggots would fall out every time he cut into them. And they were just completely filled with maggots. And then when the police

asked, like, do you feel remorse? Like now that you're caught, do you want to like do some damage control and say that you were so sad about what you did? And he said I wish I could stop but I just couldn't I had no other thrill or happiness I took no pleasure in the act of killing but I worshiped the art and the act of death Honestly, he's on something like I think that he's trying so hard to be a poetic But person but I think he's really just like a dumber like just nasty ass dude Like you're just a monster. You're kind of afraid dude Like you're not necessarily this like crazy. Just like death like death is an illusion like you're no Don't try to be Shakespeare right now. You're serial killer

So while he was being held in jail before the trial He said that he was innocent till proven guilty. That's the system right? I'm innocent till I'm proven guilty So I'm not going to wear my prison uniform. People who wear prison uniforms are guilty people. And I'm innocent to learn proven guilty. And the police guards were not having it. They were just like, just put on your fucking uniform. So you would make it. So he would go, if he would just every time he was in a cell, he would just strip down butt naked and he'd be like, innocent till proven guilty. And then you just freaking like helicopter it. Yeah. And then at one

point the prison officers were getting so frustrated with him. And as his active deviance, he went into his basin, which is like their toilet bowl thing. And he just like grabbed his poop and just started throwing it at the officers. So before he was even convicted for any murders, he was actually convicted of assaulting prison officers And he would have to spend 56 days in solitary confinement So the trial despite confessing in full detail with little remorse to all these murders He planned not guilty by reason of insanity so in the UK they call it like diminished responsibility just like the same thing right and

There were three psychiatrists who studied him. One of them said he had mental issues and should not be responsible for the murders. Another one said that he had no mental health issues and he was just a murderous ass dude, just like a villain, just a monster. And then another one just like couldn't come to a conclusion. So what happens then? So at this point, he stood trial like the three psychiatrists, they gave their statements, but would really put the hammer on the coffin, the nail on the coffin, you get it, where all of the attempted murders, a lot of them came for it and they testified, including Carl. So he was eventually found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. Yeah, one month into his prison sentence,

he was attacked with a razor and he needed like 89 stitches on his chest in his face. So they placed him in the vulnerable inmate section, which gave him like extra security. What? Yeah, and his prison life he kept really busy. I hate when serial killers do this. Like I'm all about prison reform, but I hate when serial killers do this. So he started translating books into braille. I mean, I guess that's kind of nice, but still.

And he spent a lot of time reading and writing. He was allowed access to paint and composed music on a keyboard. Or a fucking keyboard. A keyboard! Those things are expensive! When prison, he wrote a 400-page autobiography. Talking about all of this, yeah. I mean, he just really wanted to reach out to all these journalists. It seems like he likes the attention. And then eventually eventually in May of 2018, he died during surgery. So he had like an aneurysm and they tried to remove a blood clot and apparently he died in a lot of pain. Because it's very painful procedure. But that is the story of Dennis Nielsen. And the crazy story of how he got cut because I mean, I feel like when you think zero killers, you think about like how they got cut and it's like all played out like a movie like this intense moment but a lot of them are just

dumb like a lot of them are just like flushing and then they're like hey landlord something's wrong with my pipes gonna sue you you know and it's just like what I don't know so he is considered the British Jeffrey Dahmer in America at least and I mean there are a lot of striking similarities I mean just the sheer fact that they started their act it they were active the same year Jeffrey Donmer I think lasted three more years before he was caught And just like the process they went through the same dismemberment Flushing in the toilet. They also boiled their victims to make the flesh easier. Jeffrey Domer was a little bit more meticulous about it.

Not meticulous. Meticulous sounds like he's a smart person. He just was a lot more loud about it, so he would literally get an axe and like a sledge hammer. If you guys haven't listened to that podcast, that one's a good one. That sounds really wrong to say. But yeah, there's just so many similarities on this one. And they were just both caught in some weird ways. Listen to that podcast to see how Jeffrey Dahmer was caught.

It's from Polaroids. Yeah, this girl girls are shaking right now. It's caught by Polaroids. So I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast. Let me know. What are your thoughts? And do you really think he just did this all for companionship or he tried to make up a sob story afterward being like I was so lonely I just did them because I love people and I hope you guys enjoyed and I'll see you next week. Bye!

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