Rotten Mango - #327: Korea’s Most Dangerous Child Predator JUST Released From Prison, Decided To Move Into VICTIM’S Neighborhood

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

Mr. C looked through his peephole. The police were here again, probably to talk about that psychopath. Just 10 months ago, a complete stranger tried to stab and kill Mr. C. They didn’t even know eac...h other! It was shocking to know that such depraved, evil, monsters existed in this world. Mr. C let the police officer in but now under the bright light of his foyer… he realized this man was no police officer. He was the killer from 10 months ago - back to finish the job. The attacker grabbed a hammer and slammed it down on Mr. C’s head. The attacker would be caught and he would scream to the world that he did this for justice. Justice was to kill Mr. C! This was justice for 8 year old Nayoung. The little girl that Cho Doo Soon (Mr. C) had kidnapped, assaulted within an inch of her life, mutilated, and disemboweled just 12 years ago. He had left her for dead after he brutally SA’d her. She miraculously survived and now Mr. C was a free man - living just half a mile from his victim. This is the case of the most hated - yet most well protected man in all of South Korea. The government has spent over $1 million dollars to ensure Cho Doo Soon’s safety. The safety of the man who assaulted an 8 year old girl in a church bathroom. Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 December 16th, 2021. It's 9pm in Ansan City just outside of his horror South Korea. Mr. C receives a knock on his door. He looks through the little people. It's a uniformed police officer. He looks at his wife and says, it's the police. Now to most couples, this would have been very alarming to have the police show up unannounced at your house at 9 p.m. on a Thursday night, like what is going on?
Starting point is 00:00:29 But Mr. C was kind of in a strange situation. Someone tried to kill him earlier that year. So the officer was likely here to give Mr. C an update on the stalker that tried to kill him just 10 months ago. And you know, the whole thing was really bizarre. A 20 year old man, a complete and utter stranger to Mr. C like they had no degrees of connection. They didn't have mutual friends. Nothing. This man stalked Mr. C for three months waiting for the perfect moment to strike. February of 2021, just 10 months ago from that date, he had slipped a knife into
Starting point is 00:01:06 his pocket, buried his face into a giant puffer jacket, and tried to get into Mr. C's apartment building. He was caught with a knife in his pocket before he could even get to Mr. C, but the whole thing was just so unsettling. He was dragged away by the police, and he was screaming about how I must kill him, I must kill Mr. C. or else, life is not worth living. And just to clarify, again, this is not a man that Mr. C even knows. Anyway, this man was sentenced to six months in prison. And it was just very terrifying for Mr. C to realize that there were people out there these days that have zero morals, zero concept of consequences. But at least Mr. C had the police,
Starting point is 00:01:46 you know, they'd been very understanding about the whole incident. They were constantly making sure to just check up on Mr. C, trying to make him feel as safe as possible, even stationing police guards outside of the building. Mr. C and his wife ushered in the police officer. They're like, it's 43 degrees, come in cold it's cold. Now it's unclear if Mr. C recognized the officer and it's unclear at what point Mr. C realized this police officer standing in his apartment is not a real police officer. He was the 20 year old man that tried to kill him 10 months ago. He had been released from prison 4 months ago and he was back to finish the job. The fake police officer grabs a hammer near the door and smashes it onto Mr. C's head.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Mr. C's wife is screaming she's running out the door while the two men get into a struggle they're trying to overpower each other. Mr. C's wife is screaming there's a lunatic trying to murder my husband. The real police officers arrive in record time. They arrest the masked man and Mr. C was rushed to the local hospital. The 20-year-old man did not have the best aim, so Mr. C ended up being completely fine, just minor injuries, but he was very badly shaken up. And the police, they sit the 20-year-old guy down and the attempted killer, they sit him down and they say, what is your problem?
Starting point is 00:03:06 You don't even personally know this guy. Like why are you ruining your life right now? You're about to get sentenced for attempted murder. Do you understand that? The guy with the hammer just bluntly responded, I'm doing this for justice. Justice? Can you really argue that justice is a 20 year old man impersonating a police officer breaking into a 70 year old man's house and beating him on the head with a hammer?
Starting point is 00:03:31 That's a senior citizen. What's crazy is everyone in South Korea, all the netizens, all the civilians, they agreed. This in fact was justice. Even the police couldn't help but agree. Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be. Because 13 years ago, a little girl had drawn a picture in court. It looked like the drawing of an 8-year-old because she was 8 when she drew it, and the content of the drawing is pretty alarming.
Starting point is 00:04:00 It's of a man standing in a jail cell. There are cockroaches just crawling around. There's rats everywhere. The man is holding a spoon in one hand, a bowl of cockroaches in the other. That's what he's eating. He's eating a bowl of cockroaches like it's cereal. And on top of his head, there is a judge slamming
Starting point is 00:04:17 the hammer down on his head. That man in the eight-year-old's drawing was Mr. C. Chod-tusun, drawing was Mr. C. Chod-du-sun. He was the man who was on trial for kidnapping said eight-year-old girl dragging her into the church bathroom, brutally assaying her within an inch of her life, mutilating her body, leaving her with permanent disabilities, and just 12 years later, he was released from prison, living as a free man and not just free, living half a mile away from the victim's home.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Choduzun is the most hated and yet the most protected man in all of South Korea. The man that the government has spent over a million dollars of taxpayer money to protect. The man that has strangers wanting to kill him for what he did to the little eight-year-old girl named Nayoung. This is the case of Chodu-soon, also known in Korea as the murder of souls. He is also the most hated man in the nation. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mingo to support Reign, which is the nation's largest anti--- violence organization. They have created and operated the National SA Hotline, and all
Starting point is 00:05:50 resources for that will be linked in the show notes. They work in prevention, resources for survivors, as well as bringing perpetrators to justice. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mingo's growing team of dedicated researchers and translators. And we would like to thank you guys, our listeners, for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates of these causes. As always, full show notes are available at RottenMingoPodcast.com. We had our Korean researchers work on the gathering of the data for this one, but as always
Starting point is 00:06:20 with any case, but especially the international ones, let us know if there's anything that's been miscommunicated, lost in translation, or any additional details that you may know. Please leave it down in the comments. Now, a very quick content warning with today's episode. There is a lot of heavy discussion on essay against an eight-year-old, and the perpetrator basically gets away with it. If that is something that you feel is going to be too heavy
Starting point is 00:06:44 or is going to bring you to a very dark place, please take care of yourself, grab yourself a hot meal, relax, and I will see you in the next episode. So with that being said, let's get into it. When the president comes to town, it's kind of the huge coordinated effort to keep the president safe. That's what this felt like. There's workers on ladders installing more CCTV cameras up on the poles. Street light bulbs were being taken out
Starting point is 00:07:11 and replaced with brighter bulbs to illuminate the alleyways at night to make a brighter. Facial recognition cameras were being installed and those are expensive. Alleyway alarms were being installed. So if you're walking down the alleyway and you feel like, ooh, this doesn't feel right, something sinister is about to happen. What do you do? You run to the pole, press the big red button, police will be dispatched.
Starting point is 00:07:31 There were countless bright yellow vest wearing police officers just roaming around the city of Ansan, surveilling the people, civilians, poking their head into businesses, making sure everything is in order. The government actually spent money hiring martial arts professionals to train the police department The villains poking their head into businesses, making sure everything is in order. The government actually spent money hiring martial arts professionals to train the police department better. The control room for all of the CCTV cameras in Unzhan City, it looked like a top secret military command center.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Over a million dollars was spent in like the span of a month or two revamping the street lights, installing more cameras, even just hiring more manpower in the police force. All of that was taxpayer money. I mean, it's very clear to everyone. Someone very important is coming at town. Unsung City government even hired 12 security guards, formally special forces soldiers and martial arts specialists to just patrol the area around this man's house.
Starting point is 00:08:26 24-hour-a-day security. They would even ask anyone that's walking down that street within a block of this man's house for their ID. Just to make sure that they're not someone weird, I mean, you can't tell me, that's not the president. Even the residents of Un's Hunter prepping, they're hanging up lights on their balconies, motion sensor lights. They're hanging up lights on their balconies. Motion sensor lights. They're installing cameras. Some of them gathered together and held up these massive banners in preparation for the man's arrival. Now, maybe if you don't read Korean, they could be mistaken for welcome signs. But they're not. They read criminal misch訊鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥鬥� This Chaudhouson leave our city, castrate him. Chaudhouson to hell.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Only a death sentence will fit a monster like him. Other residents, they locked arms, they hooked their elbows with each other, and they laid down on the streets, where the cars were passing to block traffic. They did not want this man here. Other locals went to the grocery store, and they bought eggs and flour, baking flour. There was an overnight rally outside the prison. About 100 individuals were armed and ready with fresh cartons of eggs and they were screaming, why are you protecting the rights of a convict? He needs to die. December 12, 2020. At 6.45am, it was time. The most
Starting point is 00:09:43 well-protected man in South Korea was being released. The prison gates opened. A swarm of police officers rushed out with a man in the center. It was a grey-haired Chodusun. Chow had been prepping for this moment, too. Just like the city, just like the residents, for the past 12 years. He had been preparing. He was obsessed with working out. He could do a thousand push-ups in a single hour.
Starting point is 00:10:09 He was 68 years old on the day of his release, but his physique, his muscle mass, was more on par with a 30-year-old. A thousand push-ups? In a single hour. What? When his inmates would ask him, why are you working out so hard?
Starting point is 00:10:23 He said that he was preparing for this very exact day, the day that he's going to be released. Because what if someone tries to attack him? People were so violent and senseless these days. He was released wearing a ball cap, white face mask, and he was wearing a puffer jacket. He refused to answer any of the civilians or the reporter's questions. He refused to apologize. He just bowed twice silently in front of all the cameras
Starting point is 00:10:51 that were shoved in his face, but there was a very interesting detail that is so telling about this whole situation. It isn't the fact that so many police officers were surrounding him. It's not the fact that some of the officers even took an egg to their back because they're somewhat shielding Cho from all of this.
Starting point is 00:11:09 It is the fact that in Cho's right hand was a tiny, small, tangerine. It's such a small, insignificant fruit, but it just feels so sinister. It feels so nonchalant. Like he just grabbed a piece of fruit on his way out to run errands. Could he really even be thinking about food right now? Later, chose probation officer would state that Cho was surprised to see all the people that were greeting him when he was released. He said, I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense, though.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I committed a crime that would anger both gods and human beings. The day of that crime was December 11th, 2008. So 12 years prior. 8.30am, it's below freezing temperatures in South Korea, 30 degrees Fahrenheit or negative one degrees Celsius. It's about the time that kids are rushing to school in their little puffer jackets and their mittens, adults are commuting to work, and in this quiet alleyway in Anshun City is Cho smoking a cigarette. Now if you pass by him, you might think maybe he's waiting for someone. It is way too cold to be standing in this windy alleyway smoking a cigarette.
Starting point is 00:12:17 It's not even enjoyable. But he's waiting. Any waits until he sees a little girl that is named Nion. So Nion is not actually her real name. Her identity is very well protected by the South Korean government and no one is trying to figure out who she is. So she's Nayoung. She's the third grader, probably around three and a half feet tall, very tiny, walking
Starting point is 00:12:37 to school. And she's walking quickly because it's cold. He steps in front of her and he says, do you go to this church? Behind him in the alleyway, there's this small church and it's not like a normal church building, it's one of those black brick buildings. It looks more like an office building that's been rented and converted into a church, like the type that you would see in major cities. She responds, no, steps to the side to walk around the man, but he grabs her tiny little arm and says, You should go to church. He starts dragging her into this quiet black building. It's completely empty.
Starting point is 00:13:12 It's a school day. Nobody who worked at the church had even gotten there yet. It was left unlonged so that worshipers could come in at any time and pray. Without hesitation, Cho drags her up to the second floor bathroom. It is a single toilet private bathroom. There are no stalls. There's no heater turned on. There's this orange brown tile on the ground that's ice cold. He throws her into the bathroom and shuts the door behind him. He forces her to sit on the toilet and tries to essay her
Starting point is 00:13:40 by forcing her to perform orally. He pulls down his pants but Nayan refuses and this really anger's chow, he starts leaning down and starts assaulting her tiny little face with his mouth. He starts biting her cheeks and anger and he's not biting. He's genuinely trying to shred off her cheek fat with his teeth. He tears off enough skin to get to the fatty tissue below the skin. Her face will be scarred.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Not all the way down to the muscle, but it was really bad and it was very bloody. Nion feels the pain of this and she starts screaming for help and chose screams at her to shut up and slap her across the face, but when that doesn't work, he puts his giant hands around her tiny neck and strangles her until she's knocked out, until she's unconscious. And then he unclothes her and violently assaults her from the front and behind. He was so violent that her large intestines were pulled out and were hanging completely out of her body.
Starting point is 00:14:41 There were at one point rumors that a plunger was used on her private parts in order to inflict this level of damage, but it was later stated that no, it was just the sheer brutality of the assault that caused the injuries. She was completely disemboweled. When he was done, you know, with a bathroom sink, there is a pipe that goes to the wall, and that's where the water comes out of. He disconnected that pipe, so when he turned on the faucet, the water was now just spilling out onto the ground. And it was just splashing on top of 8-year-old Nion. It was ice cold water. This was his attempt to get rid of his DNA.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And then he left that little 8-year-old girl, uncloathe, dying disemboweled on the cold church bathroom floor. He walks back home, he didn't say a word to his wife, he's married, he went into his room, changed his clothes, threw himself onto his warm comfortable bed, and he started snoring. He fell asleep in peace, knowing that he would wake up in the comfort of his own bed. While Na Young, she only had a 10% chance of waking up ever again. She would wake up briefly from the cold water splashing on her back. I mean, the water was so cold, it would have been numbing on her skin. And when she looked up, her attacker is gone.
Starting point is 00:15:59 I don't know if she could see the extent of her own injuries. If that would register in an eight-year-old sprain, I don't know. But she mustered up all the strength that she had left and started crawling out of that church bathroom. We don't know how loud she could even be after being violently strangled, but she tried her best to call for help. She was out the door and into the hallway with this trail of blood just behind her when a church worker sees her and they start screaming for help.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Paramedics rushed to the church, they rushed baby Nion to the hospital and it was one of the worst case situations possible. Nion was now losing consciousness. Her large intestines was dying. So when your organs are exposed to the harsh environment outside of your body, the cells start to die. When this happens, doctors have to amputate and remove the dying organs Your organs are exposed to the harsh environment outside of your body. The cells start to die.
Starting point is 00:16:45 When this happens, doctors have to amputate and remove the dying organs so that they can try to contain that damage. But that's not the only problem that they're dealing with. There's so many variables. They don't know how long Nion was without oxygen to the brain. She had severe damage to 80% of her private parts. She had severe damage to her internal organs. Doctors have to make sure that her small intestines were still intact, because you can live without your large intestines.
Starting point is 00:17:09 You cannot live without your small intestines. Your large intestines are mainly there for water and electrolyte absorption to harden your stool, but your small intestines, that's where you absorb the nutrients for your food. The doctors didn't know if naïve small intestines were also damaged and how badly and to what extent. Additionally, she had several broken bones. She would need life-saving emergency surgery. And the chance of survival, 10%. She would be in that emergency surgery for eight hours.
Starting point is 00:17:41 The surgeon would have to cut open her abdomen, a long cut through her chest all the way down to her belly button so that they could operate on all of her internal organs. She was bleeding internally. They had to amputate around 70% of her intestines. The surgery itself is physically traumatic, just adding more injuries onto Little Nion's body. Nion's parents rushed to the hospital
Starting point is 00:18:06 and they just held on to that 10% chance the whole time that she's being operated on because all they need is that 10%. After eight hours of surgery, Nyaung woke up and instead of being in the comfort of her own bed like Cho was, she was on the hard hospital bed with machines beeping all around her and a handful of police officers staring down at her. They wanted her to give her statement.
Starting point is 00:18:33 The first thing eight-year-old Nihong did after waking up from life-saving surgery was tell the police everything that happened. And I'm sure every second of that was painful. An eight-year-old describing in detail all the horrific things, a 57-year-old man did to her, a man older than her own father, that is not a normal conversation. The doctor is then sitting that eight-year-old Nion down and telling her how her entire life is going to change and how her body no longer works the way used to because of this man, that is not a normal conversation. Nion was too young to even spell the names of the surgeries that she received. Nion's doctors had to amputate a good amount of her large intestines.
Starting point is 00:19:14 They had to connect her small intestines to her rectum in hopes that her small intestines would slowly learn to take on the role of her large intestines. And because most of her large intestines were now gone, she would have a stoma. A stoma is a hole in your stomach that doctors create that allow waste urine and feces to exit your body through your stomach. So instead of sitting down using a toilet to use the restroom,
Starting point is 00:19:39 you would have the stomach opening, and it would be connected to a bag of sorts, like a colostomy bag, and it would empty out on its own. There are no nerve endings in the st opening, and it would be connected to a bag of sorts, like a colostomy bag, and it would empty out on its own. There are no nerve endings in the stoma, so thankfully it shouldn't hurt, but in that same vein, there are no sphincter muscles at the end of a stoma, like you would have in the rectum. So something that a lot of us might take for granted is, you know, when you go out with
Starting point is 00:20:01 friends and you're having lunch with them, we can kind of hold our need to use the restroom. When you have a stoma, there's no warning. There's no way to control it. The waste will just exit the stoma whether you like it or not. Side note, I know that the upside of all of this, the hope that we're holding onto is that, yes, she's alive. This is very bad, but at least she's alive. But it's not, oh, she's saved now, just one surgery and she's good to go.
Starting point is 00:20:25 No, she would need months of intensive treatment to just heal from the surgery. Let alone the physical injuries that were inflicted on her by this man. On top of that, she would have to learn how to deal with this completely new life. Patients with Estoma, they need to learn to tie meals. They need to learn how to chew food because for most people chewing food, when you're in a rush, okay, you chew a little bit less for people with a stoma, that could mean the difference between a week of pain and being hospitalized versus having a good bowel movement.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Because of the damage done to Nion's private parts, she was not allowed to sit for more than 10 to 15 minutes at a time. She had to eat less often. She could not snack anymore. She couldn't drink soda or eat her favorite foods. I mean, she was just in excruciating, unrelenting pain, every second of that journey.
Starting point is 00:21:21 And every second of this physical healing journey would be unrelenting pain, like excruciating pain. So while she's in that hospital bed trying to recover, the police show up with nine pictures. Each of them were of an old scary looking man. They ask her which one was the man who attacked you, and she confidently points to one of the pictures, and she's like, that's him, that's the man who hurt me, I know this for certain. Because of this, Na Young's best chodusun would be arrested on December 13, 2008, two days after the brutal attack. In Korea, one of the first things that kids are taught in, it's kind of random, but it's
Starting point is 00:22:02 posture. Have good posture. It's fascinating. Even in elementary schools, you probably won't see teachers in the US correcting students posture, or even disciplining them based on their posture, but in South Korea, very common. Sitting tall with your back straight is not even just considered good for your spine. It's also considered respectful. Slouching in front of elders, it's interpreted
Starting point is 00:22:25 as you don't respect them enough to be at full attention. In school, your posture can determine if teachers see you as a well-behaved, studious, credible kid or not. And this man's voice was very stern. Sit up, straighten your back. Nyaeung fumbled with her colostomy bag. The bag that catches all her waist and has attached to her stoma on her stomach. The hospital didn't have ones for children, so she had to use an adult-sized colostomy bag. It was hanging, peeking out from under her shirt, and it came all the way down to her knees.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Because again, this bag was made for adults. It was way too big for her. She fumbled with her bag, and she's winsing as she's trying to sit up straighter. Technically, she's not even supposed to be sitting for too long. Doctor said maybe just 10, 15 minutes and then she has to get up. The prosecutors waited until they were happy with her posture to continue the prosecutor's office.
Starting point is 00:23:19 This is a court. This is in the prosecutor's office before the trial. What? Nion had given her full statement to the police the minute that she woke up from life-saving surgery. But the prosecutors they wanted her to come in and tell them one more time so that they could record it and they could play that recording in the trial. So she had to start all the way from the beginning in this very scary office
Starting point is 00:23:41 with her colostomy back. She's not allowed to sit for more than 10, 15 minutes. And the prosecutor is disciplining her on her posture. This very scary office with her colostomy back, she's not allowed to sit for more than 10, 15 minutes, and the prosecutor is disciplining her on her posture. That is crazy. She had to start from the beginning and recount every single detail that she could remember, even the most traumatic parts. Each time, it would take 30 minutes
Starting point is 00:24:01 for her to tell the full story. He told me to be quiet in the bathroom, he slapped my face, and then he strangled me. By the end of her story, she would be trembling, shaken up, and retraumatized, and the prosecutor would correct her posture once more, and then when she was done, he looked down at his recorder, oh shoot, I forgot to hit the record button. Okay, let's do it one more time from the top. He told me to be quiet in the bathroom, slap my face, and then strangled me. Damn it!
Starting point is 00:24:32 What is wrong with this tape recorder? Okay, let's go back from the top, and don't skip any details this time around too, and sit up straight. This will be the third time. He told me to be quiet in the bathroom, sat my face, and then strangled me. Oh my goodness, you've got to be kidding me, the recording still didn't work. Okay, again, from the beginning, don't forget a single thing, the kidnapping assault, what he looked like, nothing, keep in all the details.
Starting point is 00:24:58 He told me to be quiet in the bathroom, sat my face, and then strangled me. Nion would have to recite exactly what happened to her four times in a row. Sitting on a hard chair when her doctor's advice turned not sit more than 10 minutes at a time fumbling with her colostomy bag, retraumatizing herself, bringing her back to the day of the attack over and over and over again with her own words while the prosecutor is yelling at her 獨転不安天啊我 何滴屁股 Which means sit up straight straight in your back What the fuck is wrong with this guy? But at least it's over right?
Starting point is 00:25:33 So far she would have told the police right when she woke up from surgery and then she just told the prosecutor four times what happened to her so five times total and at least she's done right she never has to say it again right?? During the actual trial, the police were in charge of bringing her audio recording to the courthouse. They did not bring it on time. I don't know if they were stuck in traffic, I don't
Starting point is 00:25:55 know if they were late, I don't know if they forgot. Who knows? So the prosecutor forced Nion to testify. She would have to dramatically share her story for the sixth time. In her own words, she would be forced to sit there with sanitary pads that would be smeared by blood by the end of her testimony, because many of her organs were still bleeding. Thankfully, she wasn't forced to be in the same exact room as her attacker Cho, but she could see him, and they could see her. She was placed in a second room in the courthouse, and on the wall there were two TV screens. One showed the judge, and another showed the defendant, Cho, in real time. Nion would have to stare at him while she recited all the details of what he did to her, and
Starting point is 00:26:38 then in the courtroom there would be a TV broadcasting Nion in real time for the judge, the lawyers, the audience, the r the for all of them to watch. That evening, Nion went home to write in her diary. Today, a car took me to Seoul for the trial of the man who hurt me. There were two TVs in front of me, one with the judge, on the other I could see the bad man. And all of a sudden, I was very scared. The psychopathy checklist is a 20 item scale to essentially see how psychopathic someone is. It's a bit of a controversial way of testing someone's psychopathy, but it's used frequently in South Korea.
Starting point is 00:27:15 There's two main factors. Factor one is determining emotional detachment of the subject. So do they have superficial charm? Are they manipulative? Do they have an absence of guilt or empathy? Then you have factor two. A measure of anti-social behavior. Are they aggressive, impulsive, irresponsible? There's pronus to boredom. Psychopaths tend to have a low frustration tolerance. Do they live parasitic lifestyles where they leech off of people. The test itself is said to be very intense.
Starting point is 00:27:46 In Korea, it is not a multiple choice online test where you have the little bubbles where it's like, do you strongly agree, strongly disagree with this? The psychopath test used by Korean researchers asks inmates to write essays in response to questions and their responses are analyzed by a panel of psychiatrists to just carefully see what kind of traits they have. An average civilian typically scores around five to six. That range is completely normal, and anything above 25 to 30 is psychopathic. Most inmates in South Korea have an average of 16.4 on the scale. For example, you know the case we recently talked about of the Korean woman who
Starting point is 00:28:21 killed a stranger dismembered her and tried to dispose of her body in a suitcase because she wanted to experience what it felt like. Oh, that's true crime. Yes. She scored a 28. Oh my goodness. Cho scored a 29. And his wife was going to stay with him, knowing that,
Starting point is 00:28:41 knowing what he did. She stayed with him after his arrest, even finding out the crime that he was accused of doing, which he did. she stayed with him after his arrest, even finding out the crime that he was accused of doing, which he did. She tried to vouch for him even after his arrest. She told the judge saying that, you know, when he wasn't drunk, he was really kind. She said he always did the dishes, he made rice. Sometimes he would make pentan-side dishes, he did laundry, he would help clean, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:04 and he was very polite. She said, my husband has never been angry. He is praised for being a polite person. I mean, aside from drinking and wandering around, my heart and my family life were truly peaceful. But that's really all she could say about him. Even if there was someone in chose life that knew him well, they did not want to stand up for him.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And I'm sure, yeah, a lot of it has to do with the fact that why would they stand up for someone that's accused of assaulting an eight year old, but also they genuinely had nothing good to say about this guy. He doesn't know how to keep a job. He has zero work ethic. He's not a great, happy, welcoming person. He used his wife to pay bills.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I mean, with that, how do you try to do a character witness for anyone without purging yourself? All you could really do is go up on the stand and say, your honor, he existed. Like, that is the most neutral statement that you could make without lying. I am a creature of habit, and this is my habit. Usually at the end of the year, I will set all of these ambitious goals for myself for the next year. And by the end of January, I feel like I get too busy or there's too much going on and then I just don't really get around to it. So this year, I decided, you know what, I don't need to reinvent myself.
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Starting point is 00:34:12 And he also tried to gaslight an eight-year-old. He tries to gaslight an eight-year-old Nion during the trial. It is absolutely vile. So, Nion stated countless times to authorities. The attacker was around 40 years old, had thin black hair, around face, tan skin, tan and thick hands, and a very heavy physique. His voice sounded really heavy and he did not wear glasses. A bit about this. Chow is 57, but he dyed his hair black just to look younger than his actual age. Nion mistook him to be in his 40s, which, you know, even without the dyed hair is completely
Starting point is 00:34:46 understandable. Like I have never met a kid that accurately guesses the age of an adult. Most kids I've met claim their parents are 102 years old. But because Niong said he looks 40 and had black hair, what does he do during the trial? He shows up, looking as old as he can, he stops dying his hair, letting all of his white hairs grow out, he's trying his best, letting all of his white hairs grow out. He's trying his best to cast out on Nion's story in memory. Nion's state of the attacker did not wear glasses.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Guess who shows up to court wearing those thick, near-sighted glasses that are typically just used for reading? He loses a bit of weight before the trial. Nion described to her attacker as a heavy, physique man. But attorney would even point at Cho, and he's like, look at my client. Nion's testimony is inconsistent with Cho's appearance. But that's also like super dumb, you know? It's like, you really think just by doing that, we're gonna buy your story. Let me change my white shirt to black shirt. Now we don't know who you are. It's very insulting. Even though she clearly
Starting point is 00:35:44 identified him in a police line up as well. Like it's crazy and they were playing very dirty. But fine, you can try all you want, changing your whole look, having your wife vouch for you, but nothing changes the facts. Everyone knows what he did. He left a trail of evidence at the crime scene. He thought leaving the water would keep him safe by erasing all the evidence, but it didn't.
Starting point is 00:36:04 The police found several fingerprints in the restroom all leading to Cho. Side note, in South Korea, when you get your ID card, they take a whole palm print. It's not like the US where not everybody is in the system. Every single person in South Korea, even without a criminal record, is in the system. And the palm print is interesting. So, even if you touch something with just the inside of your palm and not your fingers, they can still track it to you. The police ran the prints and it led to a man named Cho Ducun. They found CCTV footage from buildings near the church.
Starting point is 00:36:33 The man in the footage matched the man in the system. When police went to his house, they found bloody socks and sneakers. The blood type on Cho's clothing was a match for Nions. So yeah, you can try and not dye your hair, but the evidence is the evidence. But psychosis is defined as a severe mental condition in which thought and emotions are so affected that contact is lost with reality. Cho claimed he was in a state of psychosis when he assaulted Nion. Okay, actually, that was his last version of events.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Cho changed his story so many times throughout the trial. The very, very first time that he was questioned by police, he said that he came home after a smoke that morning. He started running the hot water for his wife, so that when she got home after working the night shift, she could take a nice, long, hot shower. His alibi was, I was home. I wasn't at a church. I was home being a good husband. But his wife told the authorities that she came
Starting point is 00:37:30 home after a night shift. Her husband was not home yet. She hopped in the shower when she got out. He was home, had went to the room to change, plopped onto the bed without saying a single word to her and fell asleep. The police caught him in his first lie. So Cho changed his story. He said, actually, what's interesting is I don't remember a single thing from that morning. So he went from remembering turning on the hot water for his wife and now he doesn't remember anything. He even brought a 300 page handwritten testimony to court just denying everything. He wrote, your honor. People with psychosis often say that it's their own taste,
Starting point is 00:38:07 but it's not my taste in dealing with a child in an adult way. An eight-year-old girl in my mind is just a baby girl, and hopefully a sprout, a seed in our country that is yet to bloom. It is absolutely unforgivable for someone to commit violence knowing a child is that young How can I tell you the truth that this was not me your honor? I I will I will get surgery to remove my genitals to prove to you that it wasn't me You may be framing me when someone else did this to her I sincerely hope that you believe in the truth your honor
Starting point is 00:38:44 He's doing the whole, if I'm lying, you can cut off my arm. Well, no, I can't cut off your arm even though I think you're lying because I would go to jail for that. It's like a very bizarre trump card to play in a very serious matter. He's insisting that this is not him, he would never do such a thing, he knows his character and he would hate people that does stuff like this. That was his new story. But eventually, that stops making sense. So then he goes with, okay, fine, you know what? I do remember things, I do.
Starting point is 00:39:11 You know, the morning I went to the church building to use the restroom, the bathroom door burst open and a man rushes out. I saw a little eight year old Nion on the floor. She's trying to stand up, I'm trying to help her. She just keeps plopping down again. And you know, I know I got scared you know because I thought if I report this I will be blamed for this So I ran off in his newest story He is the victim in all of this there was another man who did all of this and
Starting point is 00:39:37 terrified both Nion and him and now he's being framed for this man's crimes This man kept changing his story based on how he felt, the judge was perceiving his excuses. And if information came up to refute his previous statement, he would just come up with a new one. And I don't know how anyone could view him as a credible human being. Meanwhile, Nion's testimony, on the other hand,
Starting point is 00:40:00 never changed, no matter how many times prosecutors and police officers forced her to repeat it, asked her questions, tried to test her credibility. She was absolutely sure of every single detail, even details like how chose breath smelled. She said it was a very strong, overpowering cigarette scent. It was foul. And they asked what other sense were there. Not too much alcohol smell, mainly cigarette.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Chose ears perked up. So did his attorneys. I think everyone in that courtroom knew what was about to happen and that was gut-wrenching. Nia Yong and eight-year-old girl had done her absolute best to tell the truth. She had been taught since she was a little baby. I mean, she's still a baby, that lying is bad. So she did everything to tell the truth on every little detail that was asked of her in a very traumatic situation six times.
Starting point is 00:40:56 But she didn't know that the truth would be used against her, and that the justice system was rigged against her. Cho now had a new story, one that he would stick by, okay? He did do everything. He committed the crime, he did that to Nion, but he can't be held responsible for it because he was in a state of psychosis. How and why was he in a state of psychosis?
Starting point is 00:41:16 Because he was drunk. He argued that being drunk puts you in a state of temporary psychosis, that when you were drunk, you were unable to make decisions due to your compromised mental and physical state. You are unable to control yourself. You are in a state of psychosis. Okay, if this sounds absolutely unhinged to you,
Starting point is 00:41:34 it is, but it works. According to Korean Criminal Code, Article 55, paragraph one, people with weak abilities due to mental and physical disabilities are subject to a mitigated sentence. And in Korea being drunk in the eyes of the law counts as a mental disability. Which means according to the law, chose sentence could be reduced purely based on the fact that he was drunk. The difference would mean if he committed this act while he was sober, he could get life in prison. If he committed the act while drunk, his sentence could be as little as seven years. In what world does being drunk excuse anything or make things less serious? Which you know,
Starting point is 00:42:14 like this logic is so infuriating, when an assalters drunk, he is unable to make decisions due to his compromise mental state. When a victim is drunk, it's you probably consented and now you're a grad at next time don't drink so much because this is your fault. So if this drunk law applies to anybody, I don't think it should apply to anyone, but if it does, it should apply to victims. Unable to make decisions
Starting point is 00:42:37 due to compromise mental state. Okay, so if victims are drunk, they are not able to make decisions, meaning they cannot give consent. Automatically, if they are drunk, they are not able to make decisions, meaning they cannot give consent. Automatically, if they are drunk it is essay then. That should be the law then. I don't think I have to tell you all the reasons why this defense being allowed is so horrendous. But let's just do a quick run through.
Starting point is 00:42:59 First, being drunk is no excuse. Second, the fact that they are using Nion's own testimony of saying that she smelled a little bit of alcohol in his breath as proof that he was drunk and should get seven years in prison for his crime, that alone using her testimony should be a crime in and of itself. And third, there is no proof that he was drunk that day. There is more proof that he wasn't drunk at all. For example, the location of the crime was a pretty quiet alleyway
Starting point is 00:43:26 with not a lot of pass or buys during that time frame. People were commuting to work in school, so I mean, for them to not pass through this alleyway, it's a very specific alleyway. Most alleyways have some action. They have some traffic going on. It seems like he knew that. It seems like Cho conveniently chose this location. Everything about this location indicated that this was not a spur of the moment crime. It indicated more of a man that was stalking, waiting for the perfect victim. Another supporting fact, most bathrooms in Korea like major cities are locked. You have to either be a customer of that establishment or a worker has to unlock the bathroom or they have a keypad.
Starting point is 00:44:02 So a lot of churches, they actually have keypads that most of the churchgoers know the password too. This bathroom didn't even have a keypad. Again, that doesn't seem like something that's based off pure chance and luck. The chances are in Ansan more bathrooms are locked than unlocked. So you just happen to be in the perfect alleyway
Starting point is 00:44:22 where there's no passby's during commuting hours and no witnesses, and then immediately found the closest private one unit restroom without even stalls that was unlocked. It seemed like he knew that the church workers were not gonna be in the church at the time. Then after the crime, he didn't pass out in the bathroom, he didn't pass out in the hallway,
Starting point is 00:44:42 he doesn't stumble drunkenly away from the crime. He ducks his head and he quickly makes his way back home. And he attempts to remove all the evidence from the unconscious victim by pouring ice cold water all over her. That is a lot of planning to do if you're black out drunk. Even sober every step of this crime would take strong decision making. Later an inmate that shared the same cell with Cho would say that he didn't think that Cho was an alcoholic.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Usually, you can spot an alcoholic in prison from a mile away. It's really easy, because there's no alcohol in prison. They start having withdrawal. Their hands start shaking uncontrollably. They start sweating. They can't fall asleep. They start vomiting.
Starting point is 00:45:21 They've got these crazy migraines. Most of them become hypersensitive to light. The unmate said, Cho is fine. He was reading the Bible, he looked pretty comfortable. But the problem is, Cho does not have to provide evidence to the court that he was drunk the day of the crime. He just needs to prove to the court that he's quote, just that type of die. The type of person to get blackout drunk at 8.30 a.m. Even if he wasn't drunk on that day, as long as he can prove that he's the type, he will get away lesser sentence. To give you context on how horrendous this little loophole in the lies, in December 2007,
Starting point is 00:45:58 just a year prior to Nion's attack, two girls in Gangnam were drunk at a club. They get lured to a hotel by two men. These men essay the girls, then call their friends over, hand over the hotel key, and at least another five men come in and essay the woman. All the men who planned and coordinated this group attack and essay, they all stated that they were drunk. They received massively reduced sentences because they weren't in their right minds. They had booked this hotel room in advance. So maybe the plan wasn't to target these two girls specifically, but they had plans to target somebody. But because they were drunk, everything was forgiven.
Starting point is 00:46:37 In a lot of cases, the judge will even ask criminals that are on the stand, did you drink? The defendant will excitedly bob their useless heads up and down and sign a petition that says, I drink, I drink. Then the judge will give them a reduced sentence and on to the next case, it's almost like a custom. In Korea, 32.4% of criminals who commit essay claim alcohol was their reasoning for their actions.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Not moral depravity, just alcohol. It's gotten to the point where in Korea, there is a saying, the judges feed the defendant's alcohol. There is a movie based off of this case called Wish. So in Korea, it's called Wish, in America, it's called Hope. And it is probably one of the most emotionally gut-runching movies out there. It's about a poor family in South Korea
Starting point is 00:47:25 with an 8 year old girl named Wish, so on. And one day, on So-Won's way to school, it's raining. This man comes up to her and asks, can I borrow your umbrella? She tries to avoid him, but he ends up dragging her to a construction site, where she is brutally beaten and essayed to the point of death. The premise is very well known. So one used to be super close with her dad before this, but afterwards, she's so scared of any adult men. He tries to comfort her when she's in the hospital and she has a panic attack. She almost sees the attacker in her father.
Starting point is 00:48:02 So someone's dad has to stay out of her eyesight. He can't even see his own daughter because that's the best way for her to heal. And it's ripping him apart. All he can do is buy one of those giant Kokomong character costumes, like the one that you would see at Disneyland. And he would cheer her up while he's sweating in that costume pretending to be Kokomong. And inside he would just be crying because he can't be her dad. He can only be this character. That's the only thing that she will see. And it's heartbreaking literally on all fronts to see how someone has to recover in the movie,
Starting point is 00:48:35 how her dad has to navigate trying to help his daughter heal while also simultaneously being rejected by her. And it's just a gut punch. In the end, someone realizes that it's her dad in the costume. Cocoa Monleam down and she takes off the head of the costume, and it's just her father completely drenched in sweat because there's no ventilation in those costumes, Tiri-eyed, and she realizes everything that her dad did for her. But there's also a scene in that movie where the judge sentences, so one's essay are to only 12 years in prison.
Starting point is 00:49:10 And all hell breaks loose in the courtroom in the movie. So one's mom is screaming at the judge 12 years. 12 years. Do you know how old my daughter will be in 12 years? And a lot of viewers, they hated that scene in the movie I mean they wanted the predator to get life in prison. This is a movie right you can write it however you want Give him give him the death sentence Why are we all going home feeling unjust and crying right?
Starting point is 00:49:38 But at least it's just a movie But art imitates life Because Cho was sentenced to just 12 years in person. It wasn't just in the movie. Nion's father cried out, if this man cannot distinguish from right or wrong and cannot make decisions, that is the definition of a dead person, someone who does not know what is going on around them. How can you say that he is a dead person, someone who does not know what is going on around them. How can you say that he is a dead person?
Starting point is 00:50:06 He decided to approach Nion. He dragged her into the church bathroom and then assaulted her. How can someone who is apparently not in their right senses make all of these decisions? Nion's father cried that he had to be the one to tell his daughter. His eight-year-old daughter that showed the very bad guy that broke the law, the country decided to just give him 12 years. Nion responded to her dad, too little. Her dad asked her, how long do you think the sentence should have been? 50 years.
Starting point is 00:50:37 Or better yet, they should stop giving him food. The judge can't make the wrong decision like this. Later, she asked her dad, is this a joke? From a justice standpoint, it is a sick joke. Not only did the brutality and heinous nature of the crime warrant a very harsh punishment, Choudousoun was not a first-time offender.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Choudousoun had a history of 17 criminal offenses. This was his 18th offense. Chose 17 prior criminal offenses, were not even small minor infractions at that. He was arrested, tried, and convicted, prior to all of this, of slow assault, and murder. We're gonna get to all of these in a minute. If any single person in that courtroom
Starting point is 00:51:24 should have gotten the book thrown at them, it should have been totesun. Judge Lee, who presided over this case, Nions case, faced a lot of backlash over his decision. His response was to play the victim. I mean, I guess birds of a feather flock together, right? The judge is playing the victim. The judge said, judges are just public servants.
Starting point is 00:51:45 As a public official, I am reflecting on the fact that I have not met the public sentiment. And because of that, not just me, but my whole family is suffering a lot from this case. What the fuck? Judge Lee felt like it wasn't his fault
Starting point is 00:51:59 that the law was written the way it was written, and that as a judge he has to follow the law. He said, it's not appropriate for the judge to talk about the verdicts. If mental and physical weakness is recognized at the investigation stage, there is no way for the judge to change that. The judge claims that he believes his hands are clean and free from guilt, because as a judge, he's just following the laws. It's the prosecutor's fault for not applying for an appeal.
Starting point is 00:52:23 The public was clearly not happy with his response either because the judge could have just thrown his defense out the window and said, yeah, I don't care if you were drunk. It was really up to the discretion of the judge. So this whole, like, I'm following the letter of the law. That's not what the letter of the law says. It says you can get a minimum of seven years, but you can still get life imprisonment, even if you're drunk. So I think like it sounded like this drinking
Starting point is 00:52:50 was a thing in Korea for so long that people just be applying that to all these heinous crimes. And this is just another one of those that's like, oh, you drunk? Okay, fine, that's it. Yeah. I think they're just so accustomed to that law
Starting point is 00:53:04 that they don't even care that law, which is crazy. They don't even care about what the crime is anymore. They're saying it's like a custom, like it's a formula. You're drunk? Okay, here's a random sentence that means nothing. And that's been changed, not right? Like it's changed or it's really. Barely, barely.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Not really. There are some amendments to laws, but no. I'm gonna hit you with some recent cases soon. Yeah. And a lot of netizens argued, if you want to argue the letter of the law as some excuse for your choice to sentence, Cho to 12 years, then let's argue the letter of the law. Why is Cho being charged with essay?
Starting point is 00:53:39 This was clearly attempted murder. Inflicting such visually fatal injuries on a child in the harsh winter and leaving cold water running over her unconscious body, you cannot try and argue in any way that you had no idea that this could kill the child. This is a case of attempted murder. How could the judge not see that? And with his criminal record of 17 prior major offenses, how could the judge give him 12 years? What? He's just going give him 12 years?
Starting point is 00:54:06 What? He's just gonna spend 12 years in prison, get out a new man? It is very hard for the fenders to reform. A Korean news network, NBC, went to interview offenders like Cho. They've committed heinous crimes against children, and now they're free. Did they reform? Did they feel genuine remorse? Maybe if the public could understand them, they could understand what Cho was going to be like when he got out. Side note, when I say these offenders are free, I'm talking they're free.
Starting point is 00:54:34 I genuinely mean it. In the United States, about 44 states have a variation of a law called Jessica's Law. The law in most states restricts child essayors from living near schools, parks, or anywhere where children can gather together. In Korea, they try to pass a similar law, but it seems very unlikely to pass because Korea is such a densely populated country. That's not me defending why it can't be passed. Trust me, like I have better hills to die on than the comfort and rights of child predators, but a researcher at the Korean Institute of Criminology stated, such a law is unrealistic to applying Korea, especially in Seoul and its surrounding regions
Starting point is 00:55:09 considering that schools, tutoring schools, haguans, kindergarten, child-related facilities, they're virtually everywhere. They argue, plus, what if the law is abused by some people who would be willing to open a child-related facility to make their neighborhood an off-limit zone to ex-convicts. Again, not the hill that I'm trying to die on. Technically, released predators in South Korea can purchase rent and apartment right next to an elementary school, with windows facing directly into the playground if they so wish. And they do.
Starting point is 00:55:44 There is an essay that lives right next to a kindergarten. This is not Chodusun, but similar crimes. NBC followed him. He stayed home all day and only came out when the playground outside filled up. Kids had gotten out of school. They were playing. He would get up on one of the swings
Starting point is 00:56:00 and just swing around while staring at the children. Do people not know that's him? No. His previous victims were between seven to 11 years old. None of the kids there. None of the adults knew that there was a predator, a pedophile on the playground. NBC tried to talk to him and he was angry. He lashed out.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Are you here to let the world know about me or something? I'm already intimidated as it is. Are you trying to tell everyone in the neighborhood? I mean, you know full well how pitiful my life is, how people like us live. No freaking way. He said people like us. It gets worse. He finally sat down and this was an anonymous interview so we don't know what his face
Starting point is 00:56:41 looks like and he opened up to the producers. He has to wear an electronic monitoring device, an ankle bracelet, and he complained about it. He said, even when I put clothing underneath it, it really hurts. Like, to have this heavy thing pressed up on the skin, it's gonna start to sag. When I move around, the hard thing,
Starting point is 00:56:58 it chafes my skin and it pokes me, so it gets red and I get blisters and it just really hurts. It's just kind of useless, too. Like, I may be wearing this, but what I realized is it doesn't really have a real effect. I just lower my pants and I hide it and you can mess with it and touch it without anyone knowing. The producers are like, whoa, let's bring it back to the crime and the victims. Like we're here to figure out if this guy is remorseful. And they said, those kids, you scarred those kids for life.
Starting point is 00:57:24 And what do you want me to do about it? Oh, oh, I scarred them for life. I should feel pain too. Like, you want me to live like that too? Oh, my God. It doesn't matter to me whether they're hurt or dead. The important thing is, I'm not going to suffer more because of them anymore.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It's not like they're kind of some grand, beautiful woman or Jesus Christ or anything like that. They're just some ugly kids. But because of them, I'm suffering. It's totally useless. Wow, this is unreal. Did you intentionally try to avoid places with children or minors? Of course, I intentionally avoid all places with minors.
Starting point is 00:58:01 I try to avoid those places on purpose because involuntarily, even without noticing, I start having those thoughts again if I'm around. So I avoid them on purpose. He was not telling the truth. They saw him at the playground that day and the very next day they were watching him, he went straight to the playground. All he does is stare at the children, which is more than enough, like put the man back in jail please. But that's right now. The judge ruled that he is high risk of reoffending. And they're not doing anything about it. Imagine you're finding out your kids is sitting on the playground and they're someone just standing there. And the baby was like, what can we do, right? Yeah. There's really nothing you can do. If I find out, that's a
Starting point is 00:58:44 defender. And I tried to warn that's a fendar. And I try to warn all the other moms in the neighborhood by texting that address, I can get sentenced to prison for five years. Four. Effectively doxing a predator. Today. Today. NBC went and found addresses to high risk offenders against children.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Most of them, shockingly or not, live near playgrounds or kindergarten. Currently, statistics show that out of all the children predators released from prison, in Seoul, 88.5% of them live within a half mile radius of a school. You can't tell me that's just a coincidence. An innocent coincidence? Statistics also show when offenders wearing anclids commit crimes again, they reoffend. It happens within a .5 mile radius from their house. NBC found another one of those offenders to see if maybe he had reformed. He
Starting point is 00:59:34 felt remorse for what he did. He had assaulted an 11 year old when he was like 70 something years old. What? He is now 80 and he was actually very happy to talk to NBC. His face was blurred, but he wanted to share his story. He said, you know about her, right? Are you talking about the victim? Yeah, the victim. I have a lot to say about her.
Starting point is 00:59:53 You know, instead of calling me grandpa, she called me Adashi, Mr. Back when I was 72, she called me Adashi instead of grandpa. So I thought that was a little strange and I think I lost my mind because of it. She was begging me to do stuff to her I guess she just had a very you know yearning for adult activities She told you to touch her the child did yes, she would come up to me unbuttoning her clothes a Child in elementary school did that yeah, so I did what she wanted me to do He claims he was the victimized one.
Starting point is 01:00:26 I didn't take her for that kind of person, but I think she totally planned everything. I told the police she's a gold digger, a baby gold digger. Did the child, the 11 year old, ask you for money? She didn't ask me for money, but I gave her pocket money like two dollars a day. Anyway, I guess she lives around here because if I go near a subway station, the Inclit starts alerting the police and they call me. They call me to keep away from the subway station. When I think about it even now, I really just want to kill her. So you harbor some resentment towards the child.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Resetment? Did you not hear me? I said I want to kill her. I want to kill her Unbelievable Another try to argue that the child he has stayed was basically a young woman at this point. She was like nine So there wasn't anything unjust about it He also added if you keep oppressing us there are only two things we can do either die or go back to prison Okay, die. Sorry. One profiler who works with offenders, including Cho said, the thing with these criminals,
Starting point is 01:01:34 the one thing that they have in common is they think the cause of their problem lies with the victim. So even if they're released from prison, they blame the victim for causing the problem and they feel wronged. They think to themselves, I wasn't that bad, but they made me out to be this heinous criminal and they maintained this very distorted perception of life. A lot of these other offenders have been dubbed in media as chose. Even though that's not clearly their names because labeling someone as Chodusun, even though that's not his name, tells you all you need to know about this person.
Starting point is 01:02:07 And what they did. Professor of Psychology, Yizhu Zhang said, There are many child vendors like Chodusun in our country before this case, and it seems like there will be many more after. There are not many, actually very few countries that would allow a child's defender to return to his place of residence so freely without any special precautions. And it seems very unlikely for someone like Cho to reform. His whole life, 70 years, all he's known is himself and violence. That's all he cares about.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Cho had to drop out of sixth grade because he was a raging bully. He never went back to school. That's the extent of his education. At 18, Cho committed his first known crime. He stole a bike. He was caught, but it appears that he really likes theft. He kept stealing. He was very active at one point, lived with multiple women, and like no judgment on this part, if it's not Cho, but I just don't think that everything would have been consensual and everyone was a wage, right? I doubt it.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Cho was convicted of assaulting one of his roommates. He served a small, light prison sentence for it. He was then later arrested of essaying a 19 year old when he was 31. He was only sentenced to three years in prison for that. When he got out, he married his current wife, known by the media as Miss O, and they had a son. But the son ended up passing away when he was only three months old.
Starting point is 01:03:28 And they had a pet maltese. But he allegedly killed that pet maltese for peeing on the carpet. It's a ledge that chose through the maltese on the ground multiple times and then gouged out its eyes with sticks. He would later allegedly say that he did it because he loved his wife so much. That dog was not peeing on the peepee pads and therefore that dog was bad for his wife so he had to kill the dog out of love for his wife. Side note, his wife is 15 years younger than him and a producer that interviewed people
Starting point is 01:03:58 involved in this case stated, it's unclear if chose wife is a victim or a neighbor or both. So it's very difficult to understand her and her actions, but she has done some really unsavory things with this whole situation. She was visited by an NBC producer before Cho's release and she screamed through the door, leave, get out. The producer asked, but did you divorce your husband? I didn't divorce him. If he doesn't drink, he's fine at home. The victim lives nearby. I don't know. Okay, and I don't care about anything like that. I don't know anything about it. I don't want to know. I'm not interested. She is still
Starting point is 01:04:35 with him to this day. Now, I digress. Then just 13 years before Nion's attack, Cho was arrested for murder. Almost 13 years on the dot, December 21, 1995, the attack on Nion was December 11, 2008. Cho was 43 years old when he killed someone. He was out drinking with his friends when the 60 year old man who was not friends with Cho is not part of the friend group,
Starting point is 01:05:01 made this passing comment at the bar about a past president that he supported. Cho went into this violent, erratic, hysterical temper tantrum and out of nowhere he just starts pummeling this old man and would not stop until there was blood and brain matter everywhere. The old man's face was completely disfigured and he was dead. Cho was only sentenced to five years in prison. Yeah. And I can't make this up. Just 8 days later, the Korean law was reformed, and those convicted of murder would be given life sentences with the possibility of parole. But still, if he had killed this man 8 days later, he would have been given a life sentence. Even if
Starting point is 01:05:43 later that life sentence was reduced, he would still be in prison on December 11th, 2008 and Nion would not have been attacked. That law went into effect just 8 days later and it did not apply retroactively, so they can't just go in and be like nevermind Cho, we're gonna change it for you too. But I guess even at that time, the new law, it still was not much. The five-year sentence was too long according to the Korean Justice System. If you can call it a Justice System at that point, because that sentence was then reduced to two years in prison. Cho was released after two years in prison, because he was drunk when he killed that man.
Starting point is 01:06:21 The same excuse he would use 13 years later. Part of Nion's therapy was writing in her journal and drawing. It was just a good way for her to process her emotions. Nion's dad said, Nion changed a lot since the attack, you know? She's still passionate, still energetic. You know, that's something that Cho could never take away from her.
Starting point is 01:06:42 But that carefree attitude that every child should have the right to have, that every adult on this planet should honestly work collectively to protect, that was gone. And it was very hard for Nions parents and Nions older sister. They wanted to do everything to help, but sometimes they don't know how to help. Nions dad said, my child writes in a diary every day, and I read it secretly sometimes because I just want to know her thoughts. But no matter what happens, she blames herself first. One day I scolded her, and I felt really sorry about it.
Starting point is 01:07:15 So I looked at her diary, and I thought that she was going to write like a normal child. My dad scolded me so I'm mad. But instead she wrote, even if I were my dad, I would have scolded myself too. Clearly I deserved it. And Nyaung's dad's heart just broke into two. I mean, for one, she's so quick to think that things are her fault and two, she's growing up way too quickly. Kids are age are supposed to be angry when their parents yell at them.
Starting point is 01:07:43 They're supposed to not be understanding. And not supposed to be seeing everybody's point of view. They're supposed to be children Nion's dad said until last year she was a normal elementary school student But now it seems like she has the mentality of a college student and Every two weeks Nion's dad feels like he has to cut open his own chest and rip out his heart. Because every two weeks they have to travel to Seoul. She has her counseling treatments, but also they have to go see a specialized doctor who was working on creating her an artificial anus. Now side note, he was doing this free of charge.
Starting point is 01:08:18 The doctor had heard about the case on the radio and offered up his services. The artificial rectum would hopefully mean that she would not need the colostomy bag anymore. I mean, even that is not easy. The operation should typically only take four hours for most people, but Nyaong would need to have multiple surgeries and the first one lasted over 10 hours. When the doctors opened her up, they realized that her organs were basically tangled. There was a ton of inflammation and scarring inside of her little body. One side of her pelvis had hardened like stone.
Starting point is 01:08:49 It was a lot. And even when they were successful at in planting the artificial rectum, she would still need copious amounts of therapy to try and get her own tissues to have that regular bowel movement again. And until then, she would still need her colostomy bag. And the family, they don't have a lot of money, especially after taking off time to take
Starting point is 01:09:09 care of Nionk, they're barely making ends meet. They don't own a car, so every two weeks, Nionk's dad has to watch Nionk wake up and walk up and down the subway stairs, clutching her giant colostomy bag that hits her knees. And she never complains. She's healing so slowly, but there's healing. Last time Nion's family shared one of her drawings with the public, it was of Cho in the cell eating a bowl of cockroaches and a hammer on his head.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Now she's drawing Spendbub with sunglasses. And Spendbub is smiling, and another one is like a pretty princess with long, flowy hair. And they asked her why the glasses. And I think I said, oh I thought if I put glasses on, he would look cooler. So I tried Spendpop with glasses. And the princess, that's me. And Nyaeng would smile and the scar on her cheek would go up. But even going as hard to get counseling and medical treatment, it's a huge stress on Nion, not just the physical act of getting on the subway and making this very strenuous track, but for a lot of reasons. Nobody in school, except some of her closest teachers and
Starting point is 01:10:15 friends, knew that she is Nion. From what I can tell, everyone has been incredibly diligent about keeping her identity private because that's what she wishes. But it also poses some difficulty. Nion needs to leave school early and show up for these random medical treatments and because everyone in the area knows that a girl around her age is Nion around this area. Sometimes it makes some question, is she Nion? She wrote in a journal, today I had to go home early so I couldn't stay till the
Starting point is 01:10:45 end of six period. I just went home. I think my friends will think that I'm weird. When am I going to tell them on Monday? That's what I worry about the most. I wish I didn't have to be sick. I regretted a lot. The only people that should have regrets are the people trusted to carry out justice because clearly they did not. But not everyone in this case is evil. All the schools in Ansan, they came together to hold assemblies telling the students to stop talking about who Naiung might be. Parents were instructed to double down. They would bring home their children and they say, we don't know who Naiung he is, okay? But how sad would it be if she's your classmate and she heard you talking about who she may or may not be?
Starting point is 01:11:27 Nion's closest friends, they knew what happened to her. And they all quietly protected her. These are eight-year-olds. They did a better job than the justice system at protecting Nion. Nion would miss class once. Another classmate asked her, why do you skip school so often? Nion didn't know what to say, so she started hesitating. One of her friends stood up. That's why you need to eat all your side dishes and vegetables. This one's a picky eater.
Starting point is 01:11:51 She always gets stomach aches and needs to go to the hospital. One of her other friends chimed in, yeah, you need to eat more. Nion would forever be grateful because she just felt so protected by them. But they can't protect her from certain things. Nion's family could only get adult-sized-class me bags from the hospital. It would reach down to her knees and it was clear-ish so you could see the level of fecal matter in there. You could also see when fecal matter was coming out of her stoma.
Starting point is 01:12:19 And Nion would come home early from school sometimes because it would fall out or it would fall off or sometimes it would overflow onto the ground and fecal matter would spill everywhere and then would have to come home early from school. Thankfully a medical company reached out and promised to send her a clostomy bags for as long as she would need, for whatever size she would need, child size clostomy bags. But she still had to wash it out. She still had to throw out her own fecal matter.
Starting point is 01:12:46 And it's hard. Sometimes it leaks. It's a mess. It's not pleasant because the minute that you unplug it, it leaks down onto your body. So her dad made her this contraption. It's this makeshift funnel, almost like a makeshift sink that flows into the toilet bowl.
Starting point is 01:12:58 She can unhook her clostomy bag from her stoma, have it flow into this makeshift funnel, and it funnels into the toilet. It matches her height. She has to use it five times a day from her stoma, have it flow into this makeshift funnel and it funnels into the toilet. It matches her height. She has to use it five times a day to empty her bag, clean it, and exchange it for a new bag. And we don't know if Niong said thank you to her dad, but it's pretty clear that it
Starting point is 01:13:15 meant a lot to her. She wrote in her diary. Today I had one of those snack packages with the toys inside. Is my first time assembling a toy like that? I completed it in one try. I did it really well. I constructed it pretty good. I'm just like my dad.
Starting point is 01:13:31 So I'm good at making and fixing things. And I am thankful I was born. But there are things that Nion can't do anymore. And her dad can't create an invention to solve it. In May, Korea has something called Children's Day. It's this huge celebration in Korea where parents show appreciation to their children. Relatives come over, give the family kids money and gifts. I mean, kids probably love Children's Day more than Christmas.
Starting point is 01:13:57 It's a big deal. Now I just had a simple wish. Go to the amusement park for Children's Day. When she told her dad that his heart sank, he could have saved up for a toy. He could have learned how to cook a new dish. But in amusement park, Nions' khalashtami bag had to be emptied frequently. It made it nearly impossible for her to be outside for long periods of time unless she's at a hospital. But Nions' dad didn't want to say that, so he tried to cheer cheer her up by ordering her favorite pizza and she would sit there on the ground staring at her pizza
Starting point is 01:14:29 and they have a really small house. They don't have space for a dining table so they have one of those foldable tables that you fold out and put on the ground and you sit on the ground and eat and when you're done you fold it back up and put it away. She wouldn't even make eye contact with her dad. She wouldn't even touch the pizza. He poured her a cup of orange juice. Here drink this. This is the one that you like. I don't want it. Her dad got up and went to the fridge. Okay, well how about some yogurt? Why don't you pick one of these to try? She refused to drink any of the ones that he tried to give her. He said, I feel like I'm living with my in-laws right now. Come on, Niong, do you want to go see a movie?
Starting point is 01:15:10 Niong wouldn't even snort, she wouldn't even look at him. Niong's dad was so stressed, I mean, it's hard enough to get Niong to eat as it is. She doesn't absorb nutrients well, and she has to eat three times more than the other kids to grow at the same rate. She was over four feet tall and only weighed 55 pounds. It took him a long time to get a juice in one hand and a slice of pizza in her other hand.
Starting point is 01:15:32 And he pulled out a yellow gift box and her face lit up. What is that? Someone who knew her and knew what she had been through knew that she liked the Simpsons and they sent her a toyet for children's day. Nion was so happy she spent all day assembling her Simpsons toys on the window in her room. And later, Nion would actually grow out of children's day. She got hit with what her dad calls
Starting point is 01:15:57 junior high school student sickness. All of Korea calls it that. It's another word for puberty. When kids don't wanna be around their parents anymore, Nion's dad said, when I come home, she doesn't say anything. No matter how much I ask about her day, it's always yes or no. Yes or no. He said, in the past, she followed me around, daddy, daddy, daddy. But these days, she really likes her friends. This stage is really sad for a lot of parents. But I wonder if there is a twinge of happiness for Nyaung's dad because Nyaung is now experiencing such a normal stage in childhood.
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Starting point is 01:17:32 with eye gaming Ontario. But there is a voice that is lingering in the back of his mind. Psychiatrists have all worn Nions parents that puberty can bring back a lot of trauma. Her emotional wounds were healing, but they could burst open again. Because when we hit puberty, we learn a deeper understanding of things, and we will recall feelings and experiences from the past that we tried very hard to suppress. It's a hard time because victims who are essayed as a child, they could feel a bit of healing, they could make progress, but this could be a huge setback because they're starting
Starting point is 01:18:13 to understand what fully happened to them. But Nion's dad is hopeful. He believes that she's healing slowly bit by bit with the help of all the wonderful people in her life, the doctors, even the ones that are not involved in her care anymore, they will jump out of bed and run to Nion if she needs anything. When police officer who Nion called police officer Unni, she meets with Nion frequently to take care of her, former counsellors, attorneys, the CEO of the movie company that produced the movie's whole one that was loosely based off of Nion's story,
Starting point is 01:18:46 they're all part of Nion's life. And because of that, Nion does not complain. She wants to grow up and become a doctor. She said that she just wants to help people, and this feels like this is where the story should end, right? A child who against all odds, against the scum of the earth that tried to kill her, goes on this journey of healing and becomes someone that the world is proud
Starting point is 01:19:07 of and inspired by. That's the end. That should be the end. So why is this episode not over? Because the real Chodusun was set to be released December 13th of 2020. And it was announced that he would be moving back to Anshan, the city of the crime, and the city where Nion still lives, the city that she calls home. It is said that his apartment would be half a mile from her family home. A five minute walk. The phrases, Choduzan fear started trending in South Korea. People started circulating messages on social media titled, How to stab Cho where it hurts if you run into him.
Starting point is 01:19:51 And nothing, nothing is helping ease the public. Psychological experts who worked with Cho diagnosed him as having intermittent explosive disorder, which has been defined as an impulse control disorder characterized by sudden, unwanted anger. People with IED can essentially explode into a rage despite lack of apparent provocation or reasoning. There are a lot of people who have this disorder and they work with managing their emotions, trying to identify trigger points. And they can lead very loving nonviolent lives regardless of their diagnosis,
Starting point is 01:20:24 but clearly Cho was not one of them. So this is adding to the anxiety that the general public feel that this man is about to be free. Experts even stated that to make matters worse, it is clear that Cho does not believe there are real consequences to his actions. In prisonment, the threat of future imprisonment, that's not going to stop him from reoffending. The same profiler who worked with Cho said,
Starting point is 01:20:47 someone like Cho, he gets a lot of satisfaction from his actions, not just the act itself, but we believe that he gets satisfaction from watching his victim and the victim's family's collapse. The damage done to the victim's life, that is an addiction and a satisfaction for someone like him. Cho was given a test that measured his likelihood of reoffending, his same offense, and they measure things like family environment, criminal history, employment, it scored through 30. Anything above 13 is considered a very high risk of reoffending.
Starting point is 01:21:22 Cho scored 17. And yet, he's going to be released. Stories from prison started circulating around this time. So before his release, there was more buzz about Choe. And everyone wanted to know has he changed? Is he safe to be back out in public? Like, are we just releasing an unhinged monster out into the streets?
Starting point is 01:21:40 Spoiler, yes, we are. Stories from prison started coming out, fellow cellmates started being interviewed, which honestly really did not help ease the general public about Cho being released. Apparently Cho felt no remorse in prison. Released he never showed his inmates. Instead, he was on this high horse all the time
Starting point is 01:21:59 about how he thought that child offenders were disgusting vile people that deserved to die. What? Yeah. But to him, he was not one of those people because he was blackout drunk and doesn't remember the crime. He also stated to an inmate that he's a scapegoat, and there is no real evidence he's not the one that did this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:19 Cho also complained a lot about his circumstances and being in prison. He said, I feel like a bird that wants to fly but is caught in a cage. I yearn for freedom and I count the days until that's possible. Inmate said that while Cho was in prison, he focused a lot on working out. He allegedly told Inmates he was terrified that someone was going to attack him when he gets out so he needs to work out. One commentator said, why? Why is your body that precious? Is your body more precious than an eight year old's body? No matter what, Cho will always care for his own physical body.
Starting point is 01:22:52 He will do, go to whatever links for himself, which is terrifying. Knowing that Cho allegedly told one of the arresting officers later after the trial, I'm gonna work out in prison, build up my strength, and I'll see you 12 years later. Allegedly, he would also complain about the food in prison. He would complain that he wasn't getting enough food to bulk up. He would allegedly ask the people serving the food, is this food for a human? Why are you
Starting point is 01:23:19 giving me such a little food? And because he was so ripped, the inmates said he actually did not get wrecked in prison like a lot of notorious child offenders would. He was kind of the top dog in the prison. When an inmate was asked why, the inmate said, I don't know, he's been in there a long time, he's old, he's got a dirty looking face, his face is, you know, his hair is white, he's isn't shaved. The inmate continued, my first impression of him was that he looked like a violin offender.
Starting point is 01:23:48 How do you differentiate between a violin offender just by looking at them? It's in the eyes. You're in prison, you went out. It's in the eyes. Cho told the other inmates that when he gets out, he wants to sell coffee on the mountainside. I don't know if that means he wants to open up a cafe. That's what it was interpreted as. But either way, it's astonishing that this man is here thinking about his future. But the most terrifying part of all of this is that it's said that he is still has a very high stride at 68 years old. Once I call just stated, he's still excessive in his desires and those desires are being actively expressed in his behavior.
Starting point is 01:24:21 So yes, this does raise a bit of concern. According to an inmate, this is an allegation, but allegedly, Cho would tell his fellow inmates that the electromagnetic waves from the TV and the CCTV cameras were at least suggestive to him, and he would aggressively self-pleasure himself to those electromagnetic waves. So why can't the government do something? Because he does not sound like he is ready to be a part of society? The best option the government could have done would have been 12 years ago when Cho tried to use that drunk defense They could have thrown it out the prosecutors could fought like hell to thin nail to get that defense thrown out But they didn't they didn't even appeal when the sentence was given now. It's too late to appeal his sentence appeal when the sentence was given. Now it's too late to appeal his sentence.
Starting point is 01:25:05 He cannot be tried again for his crime because that would be against his constitutional right of double jeopardy. The government cannot now reverse the sentence or add on more years. I mean, there were conversations that he and other fenders should be held in a halfway house outside of prison when their sentence is over. So you stay in there until we are sure that you will not re-offent. But that idea, this bill, has been shut down by human rights activists because they are worried that it would be abused, and criminals could be held indefinitely in that halfway
Starting point is 01:25:32 house. Human rights commission of Korea stated detaining an inmate who has already finished their jail term is a violation of a human right. Netizens thought, okay, then what about we chemically castrate him? So in 2011, South Korea enacted a law that allowed judges the power to set the fenders who attack children under the age of 16 to be chemically castrated. Chemical castration is when you use chemicals or drugs to stop the hormone production. The purpose is to lower libido and activity. It can also be used to treat things like cancer, so it's not just used for like offenders or criminals or anything like that. There's a lot of medical reasons why one might need one.
Starting point is 01:26:09 But a lot of countries have talked about chemical castrating for offenders. And it sounds crazy. Chemical castration, like those two words, sound unhinged, but it's really not. Chemical castration is not removing any organs. You're just taking chemicals to suppress drive. So it's not even like a one surgery, one shot. It's like a constant. Yes, it's not permanent. Oh, what? Yeah, it's not a form of sterilization either.
Starting point is 01:26:36 You can continue to have children. I mean, generally, chemical castration is reversible when you stop the treatment, when you stop receiving those chemicals. And there are some risks, like increased body fat and reduced bone density and increase in long-term risk of cardiovascular disease, but like birth control probably has the same amount of risks. And compared to the injuries inflicted by Cho, I would say that the side effects seem
Starting point is 01:27:00 non-existent. But that law was passed in 2011. It does not work retroactively, so no one can force Cho to be chemically castrated. He also cannot be forced to live away from schools like we talked about. In fact, he can't even be forced to live a certain distance away from his victim. He can move half a mile away if he so wishes, which is exactly what he does when he gets out. Inside note, this is so ingering, but I do think that a lot of city officials, the prosecutor
Starting point is 01:27:30 that worked on this case and someone in Anshan that's making these horrible decisions, they should feel guilt, they should feel shame for the rest of their lives. Get this. Nion's family were struggling before Nion's attack. Nion's dad was a daily worker, meaning he would go out and offer manual labor for the day. If someone needed his services, he would make money. If they didn't, he made no money,
Starting point is 01:27:52 and the problem is, at that point, you're so desperate for any money, you just take any amount of work for any low cost. Nion's mom was a housekeeper and worked random other jobs to put food on the table. They did not have enough money. After the attack, both parents had to quit other jobs to put food on the table. They did not have enough money. After the attack, both parents had to quit their jobs to take care of Nion, to make her feel emotionally and mentally secure, and to help her physically.
Starting point is 01:28:13 Nion received payments from the unsuncity. Not a lot. Okay, $5,000. To help pay for the hospital expenses and other things. But in June 2009, Nion's health insurance came through and paid the family $32,000 for the attack. The city of Anshun then went to the family and demanded the return of $5,000. What? The city was going to demand full repayment and if Nion's family did not pay them back
Starting point is 01:28:40 in full, they said that they would stop any and all government assistant payments to Nion's family. They said it is principle if you have a balance of more than $2,300 in your bank account, you will be excluded from all support by the city. And the family just got paid $32,000 in insurance money. You gotta be shitting me. Angry netizens were the only reason unsung withd true their letter and continued all government assistant payments to the family again. And the whole thing was ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:29:10 The government seemed more than okay with paying so much in taxpayer money to protect Cho and watch over Cho as soon as he got his right to freedom. It's kind of wild. Netizen said it's like he's some sort of incredible person that we as a society need to protect. He's not even a criminal with a high hope of reforming. From a logical standpoint, this is the worst investment of taxpayer money. That is so because. Yes.
Starting point is 01:29:34 What is the argument behind protecting him? It's prevention, right? Prevention, yeah. Okay. Then why are we protecting the victims? No, it's not prevention of chose crime It's prevention of someone committing a crime against chose. That's what I'm saying That's the stuff. I write instead the same amount of money could totally spend to protect the people who needs to be protected Or just at that point give a million dollars to Nion and her family Yeah, let them move out of the country if they must. Yes. I don't even know how to wrap my head around it.
Starting point is 01:30:09 The fact that he is one of the most well-protected men in South Korea. And they're nickel-in-diamying Nion's family for $5,000. It got so bad that in 2009, lawyers from the Korean Bar Association, the Human Rights Committee filed a lawsuit on behalf of Nions family against the state for the way that the prosecutors handled the case. I believe she did receive an undisclosed amount of compensation, but typically in South Korea,
Starting point is 01:30:35 it's not a big amount. I mean, it's going to be nothing compared to what Nions had to go through because of them. To make the situation even more frustrating, Cho will be living on government assistance when he gets out. He will be receiving $1,000 a month from the government. It's unbelievable. A lot of people were angry for this for obvious reasons, but also because he didn't even pay taxes for the past 12 years. He was in jail for committing one of the most heinous crimes known to mankind.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Why does he have the right to government assistance? A lot of netizens commented, I'm jealous. I don't have money either, but they're not giving me anything. This bastard, Choduzon gets to live and eat off of our tax money. I don't usually swear, but this is unfair. Someone else commented, I can't even receive tax benefits while Chow Ducone can receive them and eat well. I can't help but laugh.
Starting point is 01:31:29 The government did try to ease the public and they said, well, Chow is not completely free, guys. We have limitations. He's going to wear a GPS enabled Anclet 24-7 for seven years. His address in personal details will be disclosed on a government website for five years, But after that, it will be illegal for citizens to find him after five years and warn friends of his address. Yeah. You could be sentenced to five years in prison. Literally why? Like why? Why does it matter five years later? We need to hide where he lives. Like why? Yeah. Even now, you could be arrested. So for example, if I told you,
Starting point is 01:32:06 if I was a Korean citizen and I told you where Cho lives, even through a private text message, like a Kakao Talk message, I could be arrested. All I can say right now, even though his address is on the government website as of right now, is hey, go to the government website to find his address. But like, why can't we just all dox him after five years and then state that we were all drunk? We were in a state of temporary psychosis,
Starting point is 01:32:32 of course. Cho was also assigned a one-on-one parole officer and they stated it would be 24 hours surveillance once Cho gets out. Round the clock surveillance and the probation officer is permitted to make random visits to chose home. But even the probation officer was interviewed and he said, there is a real possibility Cho will harm other people and enact other extreme forms of violence. Like on the record, it says I'm supposed to surveil him
Starting point is 01:32:57 24 hours a day, but in reality, when he goes to bed, we can't keep track of that. If he's in his house before bed and drinks, we can't really control that. We are trying to do our best within the frame of the law. And fine, he has to wear a GPS tracking inklet bracelet for seven years, but so what? The other offenders at NBC interviewed, they had an ankle bracelet, they were at playgrounds.
Starting point is 01:33:18 That doesn't alert anyone of anything, other than maybe where he is, but we don't know where he is, with who he is, he could easily kidnap a kid and bring them into his house. What would the ankle bracelet tell? His probation officer, that he's safe at home, that's it. And it's only on for seven years. Cho is prohibited from drinking more than a certain amount of alcohol. His blood alcohol concentration has to stay below 0.03%, which is one drink if you drink it very quickly.
Starting point is 01:33:44 So he's not even forbidden to drink, which is wild. Considering the whole reason he claims he committed this crime was because he was drunk, but they're like, fine, you can still drink a little bit. He also has a curfew. He cannot leave his house between the hours of 9pm and 6am, which, okay, and what? What is that going to do for anyone? The attack on Nion happened at 8.30 a.m. I don't know who came up with these type of laws.
Starting point is 01:34:09 Yeah. Like, no kids are even outside, typically at 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. Yeah. This curfew is masquerading as some sort of big prevention tactic and it's very odd. The whole half mile radius around Cho's house has also been designated as quote,
Starting point is 01:34:27 I kid you not, a woman's safety area. Wait, what does that mean? There's gonna be heightened security presence there. Yeah. So it's safe for women, is what is it? That's, I guess the naming of it, but that doesn't, none of this makes sense. First of all, the name is ironic,
Starting point is 01:34:42 and second of all, not only was a child. Clearly, women, full grown women are not his target. And nothing is being done to stop his release. He has been released. I mean, nothing was done. I don't want to say nothing so definitively. I'm not an attorney, nor am I part of the government,
Starting point is 01:35:00 nor do I know everything that happened behind the scenes. But the citizens, it seems like they're the only ones that try to prevent chose release. They signed a petition. South Korea has a population of around 52 million people of that like 8 million or children. 1.2 million people signed the petition to keep him in some sort of rehabilitation center after prison. Nothing was done. A professor of the Korean Institute of criminology said, it's impossible to isolate these criminals from society forever. The criminal system must ensure that they reform when they return. Everybody hates
Starting point is 01:35:33 vendors. We all know that. The whole world hates them, but their return is inevitable. They will be back. And Chodasun was coming back to Anshan of all places. It doesn't even appear that he has a strong network of friends and family, so why Anshan? Like, why come to the place where everyone hates you? I mean, everyone in Korea hates you, but why not just move somewhere quiet? You have no intention of getting a job.
Starting point is 01:35:59 You're living on government assistance, move somewhere quiet and live the rest of your life in solitude and try to find some remorse. Him moving back to Ansan feels to citizens and to Nayong's family, almost like him saying, yeah, and what, what are you going to do about it? Nayong's dad was interviewed by Cho San-Eerbul and he said, how can Cho come back to Ansan where his victim lives? I feel like he's trying to retaliate by moving back here.
Starting point is 01:36:24 To make matters worse, Cho allegedly wrote in multiple letters to the judge that his last request, his last wish, wish, was to meet his victim again. Oh my god, that is so sick and twisted. Yeah, I feel like he knows that the victim would read that or find out about it and it would retraumatize her. Yeah. And what intention for someone like him to have, he knows what this will do to the victim. Yeah. So he's obviously doesn't have the victim's interest in my, so he has his own interest in my.
Starting point is 01:36:58 Which means he gets off on the victim being in pain. Exactly. But he's free. It has been 12 years, but Nion has been on this very slow painful journey of healing. And it's not just like a one-way road. It never is with trauma. You take three steps forward and 20 steps back. How can the government let this man out?
Starting point is 01:37:21 Nion's dad said, my daughter starts to wear a diaper at home. She has to carry the largest sanitary pads in her bag when we go out. Nion's dad said, my daughter starts to wear a diaper at home. She has to carry the largest sanitary pads in her bag when we go out. People won't know how we feel as parents if they've never experienced this before. I feel like a sinner who can't even protect their own child, but Cho is coming back near our home. Does that make sense? Nion only watches cartoons as an adult. She was 20 in 2020 when he was released.
Starting point is 01:37:48 She can't watch the news. She can't watch crime thrillers. She will faint if there is any depiction of a assault. But Cho, the monster who claims he's reformed and is remorseful, he wants to move to the town where the crime happened, the city where he knows his victims still lives. Nion has been here her whole life, her friends are here, the ones where he knows his victims still lives. Nihong has been here her whole life, her friends are here, the ones that helped her through all of this that pulled her up.
Starting point is 01:38:10 They're all in unsight. Why should she have to move? It might be the only place in the whole world that she was able to somewhat be comfortable in. The government offered Nihong's family a smart watch that will detect a signal if the perpetrator gets close. Her dad said that would just make them more anxious. That's not a way to ease the trauma. He said, if the watch sends an alert to my daughter, she will freak out. And it will make it easy for people to identify her as the victim of the attack and identify her as Nion.
Starting point is 01:38:40 It feels like these government officials are so out of touch, it's like they tried to do things to quote help because people demands it. But I feel like if that's their family member, they would not treat it this way at all. I did see some netizens commenting some enlightening things of when government officials such as the prosecutor does such things where you cannot understand it and it almost feels like they're on the perpetrator's side. It makes you wonder, do they just relate to the perpetrator more for whatever reason? All the netizens are saying it doesn't matter what political party you're in.
Starting point is 01:39:22 Nions case, it's a united front as a nation. Everyone wants Cho dead or at least in prison for the rest of his life. So it just, it doesn't make sense in people's minds what these government officials are doing. Yeah. There is no logic, there's no rhyme or reason. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:40 At first, when Cho was released, I mean, absolute hell broke loose. There was a squad probably of 20, 30 police officers surrounding the perimeter of his apartment building, 24, seven for weeks, months. The crowd chasing after Cho in his government issued vehicle when he was released from prison, like that special treatment, usually prisoners are required to find their own method of transportation back home. The crowd chased after the government vehicle, kicking it.
Starting point is 01:40:06 YouTubers went and climbed on top of the government card, jumping on it. They were egging the car. The police had to barricade a whole road from the prison to chose house. The car was getting egged, floured, protesters were ordering black bean noodles to the apartment, trying to pose as food delivery drivers to get into the building to kill Cho. When that failed, they just sat and ate black bean noodles in front of the cops, which honestly, the cops probably didn't want to be there in the first place either. Like I don't think any single cop in their right mind wants to protect Cho.
Starting point is 01:40:39 Citizens went around to the back of the building, turned off the gas line into the building. They said, you don't have hot water, you don't have gas to cook with. Some showed up with rocks to throw at his window, others brought frying pans to bang on. It was a literal war zone. At least four people were arrested the first day. They're going to be facing criminal charges of obstruction of justice, destruction of property, and battery, which I hope they tell the judge that they were drunk. But after a few months, Anzhan quieted down and there were no more angry citizens with cartons of eggs. It was just quiet. Residents don't feel safe in their own city. One resident said, what is the point of installing cameras? Here's what they're saying when they're installed
Starting point is 01:41:19 cameras. If there's an incident, we will deal with it after it happens. Cameras are not about prevention. It's totally useless. The playgrounds and unsung feel like a ghost town. It feels more like an abandoned city's playground. This is a town that has close to 716 residents. Sometimes you hear swings squeaking, but it's just the wind. None of the kids are on the playground. It feels like parents are anticipating a monster around every corner.
Starting point is 01:41:46 But December 4, 2023, just a month ago, 9 p.m. The streets of Anzheimer quiet, very quiet. Not a single soul goes out at night without a care in the world. I mean, everyone, if they're going out at night, they've got a destination in mind. They're avoiding alleyways. Children have curfews. Everyone except Chaudu-Sun, because you don't have to be scared of the monsters when you are the monster.
Starting point is 01:42:11 December 4, 2023, 9pm. Past Chaud's curfew. He disappeared from surveillance for 40 minutes. Chaud is not allowed to leave his house between the hours of 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. He was missing for 40 minutes between 9.05 p.m. to 9.45 p.m. 40 minutes. You can walk half a mile within five, 10 minutes, depending on your walking pace.
Starting point is 01:42:35 So let's say a mile takes you 15 to 20 minutes to walk. That still leaves Cho with 20 minutes to do something. And remember, Nihung's family home was half a mile away. In 2008, it only took Cho 30 minutes to almost kill Nayoung, and then head back home to change and fall asleep. He was out for 40 minutes. At 9.05 p.m., Cho leaves his house. He walks out of the main gate of his apartment, and there's this little booth of police officers
Starting point is 01:43:03 set up. They have to have station police officers outside 24-7. He walks up to them and he starts talking to them. They immediately tell him, go back inside your breaking curfew, you're breaking the literal law, but he refuses. He says, I'd fight with my wife, I just want to cool off. As he's whining, the ankle bracelet activates and an officer is dispatched to the scene. It takes a full 40 minutes to either persuade coerce and encourage Cho to get back into
Starting point is 01:43:28 the house. I don't know why force was in an option here, like he's clearly breaking the law so I don't know why they couldn't force him physically, but 40 minutes. That they were talking? Yeah. To finally convince him to go back in. This incident happened just over a month ago and everyone is enraged. They asked, what if Cho didn't walk to the police officer's out front? Did they even
Starting point is 01:43:50 see him? What if he just left somehow? Why is it that children and these parents have to live in fear every day of their lives while he gets to break laws and stroll out of his house whenever he wants? That sounds like enough reason to throw him back in jail. Yes, but they won't. It also feels like Cho is testing to see what he can get away with. This feels like him pushing the rules, which I wouldn't be surprised and it works because Cho is an expert at getting what he wants out of the Korean justice system. Netizens are not happy with the incident or the fact that Cho is free.
Starting point is 01:44:22 One commented, stop giving everyone trouble. Just someone go over there and cut his Achilles heel. He approached the police first. I feel like he's just testing to see if he could get away with it next time. We should not underestimate Joe. If the police had not been there at the post or if they didn't see him, he could have done something.
Starting point is 01:44:39 So crazy. It's like, you know, most of the time you hear a lot of these police things, it's like, oh, wow, they're just man-handling you. But over here, they are having a peaceful conversation. And please, please, go back home, please. The prosecutors were yelling at Nihongi to sit up straight. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:58 And they're like, please, Cho, do us a favor, do us a solid. I swear sometimes when I research these cases I feel like evil is rewarded. I don't understand. Other people wrote, I can't believe our tax money goes to this guy for this one devilish criminal. Thankfully, Nion was safe in those 40 minutes because she no longer lives in Anshun. The family had to move. The family didn't have money. The local community raised $100,000 to give them for all moving costs. And just life, Niong is in college now. So to her college fund as well, it was just incredibly kind. And Niong and her family were
Starting point is 01:45:36 forever grateful. They did not have the resources prior to this. But they're still upset. Niong's dad said, we didn't want to run. We had no choice. I also wanted to deliver a message that the government did nothing but force the victim to go into hiding. It was our only option to move away. Many years have passed and still nothing has changed.
Starting point is 01:45:56 The burden still falls entirely on the victim. He said that there needs to be much more support for victims. He's scared that there's going to be all this buzz and attention after chose release, and it's going to disappear. He said, it'll be more helpful if there's an appointed public official or social worker who can keep in touch with victims. Just once a month, give us a call, we'll feel more secure. All we want is to know that to say to victims, you are not alone and we support you. That's what victims families really want to hear.
Starting point is 01:46:25 How do you think this makes us as parents feel? When your child tells you they're scared and we have to move away. Nion wanted Cho to be in prison for 50 years. Instead, he gets 12 and now he's free and she's on the run. Parents in Korea, they used to have a saying that you got to enjoy your time with your daughter as a little kid,
Starting point is 01:46:44 because once they become a teenager, they don't want to hang out with you anymore. But now knowing that there are more chodusun's out there in the world and the justice system is protecting them, a lot of parents say, we want our girls to grow up as quickly as possible. There have been some changes made. A bill called the Chodusun Law was passed. It bans essay offenders of minors from going near schools and leaving their homes at night and during hours when students commute to and from school, but that doesn't
Starting point is 01:47:09 include haggones, tutoring centers, parks, the mall, like other places where students gather. The law has also been amended to make it more difficult for defendants to use alcohol and toxication as a defense, but it's still kind of left up to the description of the judges. Even in 2019! 2019. Just a few years ago, a 26-year-old male, a SATA college student, he claimed he was drunk at the time. He received three years in prison, but even that was reduced to four years of probation. Outside, free. And even with Totuzun being a quote-free man, the government keeps making reassurances to the public that he will be closely watched. But now netizens want to know, and then what?
Starting point is 01:47:49 We're going to spend all our taxpayer money on trying to prevent Choduzun from reoffending. But what about all the other Choduzun's? What about all the other children being heard? How do we prevent all the other offenders from offending and reoffending? Data from the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family revealed that only about half of recorded crimes
Starting point is 01:48:07 against children 13 or younger resulted in a jail sentence at all. What? With the other remainder receiving a probation or a fine, this is between 2010 and 2015. About 61% of jail sentences were around one to five years and less than 10% of jail sentences were more than 10 years. That's so crazy.
Starting point is 01:48:28 Knowing that Korea has such a crazy law against drugs. Yeah. You are literally dead if you do any type of drugs, and here you are. Yeah. Some of the most vial crimes and you get like a couple of years. So recently with the actor who passed
Starting point is 01:48:47 Right and this Choduzon breaking his curfew a lot of netizens have been saying essay murder It's okay. We forgive you drugs. You're a dead man walking that is South Korea I mean, it's just crazy. A lot of netizens said, and the government wonders why South Korea's birth rate is declining. I mean, there's a huge host of reasons, economic, financial, socio-economic, but the sentiment applies that this is not just South Korea, by the way.
Starting point is 01:49:21 This is clearly in the US as well. Why would we want to raise our children in a world that does not protect our children? One net is incommensed. I think it's extremely important to note that unsightly funds are literally being thrown away trying to stop a criminal from being a criminal, when it could be used to help a victim and a family have a better chance at life. Another commenter just reads, I hope he dies of COVID-19, heart emoji. When Cho was attacked with a hammer, one comment read, to the doctors of
Starting point is 01:49:50 Toadusun, this is exactly the time to make medical errors. If by mistake you drop the scalpel and cut him in half, this is just a medical error and all the citizens will understand and support you. Another comment reads, there's no way to control someone like him. He's like a fire that needs constant suppression or he will be out of control. And it feels like nothing has changed with him and nothing has changed with the justice system for the past 12 years. And that is where we are with this case. I just feel like this is not the end of it.
Starting point is 01:50:23 No, I, yeah. There's no way this not the end of it. No, I, yeah. There's no way this is the end of it. He's only been out for how long and... Yeah. Wow. Please, please leave your thoughts in the comments and please, please be safe. And I will see you guys on Sunday for another episode. Bye.
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