Rotten Mango - #33- India's Daughter - New Delhi Bus Rape and Murder Case

Episode Date: January 21, 2021

A 15-year-old hitchhiker catches a ride with a sweet "grandpa looking man." She was excited to go home but he had plans of his own. His plans resulted in her with both her arms amputated and thrown of...f a cliff.  On the other side of the world, another girl got on a bus after visiting the movies with a friend. She would be found tossed off the bus clinging on for her life.  Some of the darkest cases I've covered but it's been highly requested and we need to keep these stories alive. Get your tissues ready - it's gut wrenching.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Hi. Okay, I want to start this podcast with a disclaimer. This one is going to be really dark. I don't really do any disclaimers on any of my podcast or videos, which like, should I, I don't know. Some people recommended, some people say, don't do it because then you would be describing literally everything and people know what they're clicking on. So it's just all over the board. But this one, I feel the need to put a very strong disclaimer. There will be heavy talks of sexual abuse, assault, and mutilation. There's disembowelment involved. There's just a lot of emotional stories today.
Starting point is 00:01:02 What's a difference from other? So I think the difference is that there's something so unsettling with situations like this. Today we're talking about Mary Vincent and her assault and her survival story, but we're also talking about the Indian, the Delhi bus rape case of 2012 and I think the difference is you know when we talk so heavily about serial killers were like these people were crazy since birth They were born. Then this stuff happened to them. They started, you know, being cruel to animals. And it just seems like these serial killers,
Starting point is 00:01:29 oh my gosh, what they do to women or men and how they torture and assault people horrendous, right? But somehow, I find myself being able to sleep at night after doing research like that because I'm like, this dude was horrendous to everyone. But with situations like this, I think it's scary because it's not like their entire life,
Starting point is 00:01:47 like most serial killers, was dedicated to doing evil shit. I think it's scary because they try to live normal lives, but they also think that what they're doing is not that bad and that these girls deserve it. So this is no longer about, hey, this person is an anti-social, personality disorder with some paranoid schizophrenia, with heavy sexual abuse as a child, you know, there's no psychological aspect to this other than they're just evil monsters that hide in plain society. Like, there is no, okay, so they are diagnosed with this and this is why they did this. This is the psychology behind their crimes. It's just like these people think that they can rape women just because they're men Like that's what we're talking about today
Starting point is 00:02:29 And I'm not saying this is all cases. I know assaults happen to men as well But these are just the two cases we're covering today They're gonna be times where I am throwing a fit because I'm so mad and it's not because I'm taking this situation lightly It's just because I don't want this to be the most depressing video in the world But I do want you to know the information. Let's talk about Mary Vincent first, and this one has a good twist because, um, we'll see at the end. So Mary Vincent, this happens in the Bay area of California, so I'm talking like San Francisco area. Mary Vincent, she's 15 years old, super young. So she's originally from Las Vegas, and her parents were going through a divorce, so she's
Starting point is 00:03:02 like, okay, you know what, fork this. Like, I don't want my parents to get divorced. I'm so sick of this So she runs away from home in Las Vegas and decides to go to the Bay Area in California because she's like I got friends there I relatives there. It's gonna be a good time So she gets to the Bay Area and it's not a good time like this. She quickly realizes Okay, like I thought that I was gonna get like a cute little apartment like me and my boyfriend We're gonna like set up like we're gonna get some plants together, but she was really just like sleeping on some like crusty food tons and like her friends weren't that nice there and her boyfriend like they got into a breakup because he was super shady like it just was not fun at all.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And so slowly she's becoming more and more homesick. I mean she's 15 years old. She's like I miss my mom, I miss my dad. And so she's like I just want to go back home to Vegas. I just want to go back home. Now. I just want to go back home. Now what's the plan? So the Bay Area is actually really really far from Vegas. I know a lot of people in Los Angeles drive to Vegas but I've never met anyone from San Francisco who just like casually drives to Vegas. So it's a long distance. She doesn't have money for a plane, she doesn't have a
Starting point is 00:03:58 car so she's like okay I need to come up with a plan. Not a lot of people are driving to Vegas but a lot of people in San Francisco they sometimes make the drive down to Los Angeles. So maybe, maybe I can hitchhike a ride to Corona, California, which is near LA, and my grandpa lives there. So once I go to my grandpa's house, maybe I can be like, grandpa, can you drive me to Vegas?
Starting point is 00:04:18 So we're like, grandpa, can you buy me a ticket? Or like maybe like grandpa, can you talk to my mom? Cause I'm sorry. So her plan was actually pretty solid. OK, that's what I would do. And so she goes out and she starts hitchhiking. Now, I know every time we talk about a hitchhiker, a serial killer who like most of their victims are hitchhiking,
Starting point is 00:04:33 listen, you think it's crazy now, but like just to put it in perspective, I feel like there's going to come a time where people are going to be like, so people back in the day used to use Uber and they would just get into like, strangers' cars. Well, that's crazy. No wonder there were so many serial killers back then.
Starting point is 00:04:49 Like I feel like that time is going to come. And so hitchhiking was like the Uber back in the day. So they had it all super organized. So she's on the side of the road, like the highway. And she's with a group of hitchhikers. So they're all standing there. They're all strangers. They don't know each other.
Starting point is 00:05:04 But this was like a gathering spot. And they're all holding signs in the vague direction of where they want to go. So some people say, like, North, I want to go up North. And they're like, oh, my plan is to get to Washington. But I'm going to get into someone's car who's traveling North. And then wherever they're done traveling, they're going to drop me off.
Starting point is 00:05:19 And I'm going to keep holding up the sign, right? So that was kind of a- There do be a system, huh? There do be a system, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's like Uber.
Starting point is 00:05:30 There is a system. It's like Ryan Cher, okay? And so they're holding up the sign, right? And she's holding up a sign that says, South. Now, a lot of the other hitchhikers, they were also holding up a sign that says, South, this is really pertinent. So she's standing there holding up this sign.
Starting point is 00:05:45 And that's when like an older man in a van pulls up and he stops and he smiles at Mary Vincent and he says, Hey, where are you going? And she's like, well, I'm hoping to get to like the LA area. He's like, wow, shit, it's out of my way, but I'll take you, get it. Now, the people that she was with immediately tried to stop her for a lot of different reasons.
Starting point is 00:06:04 One being the fact that they looked in the back of his van and it was empty. Like, there was nothing there. There were seats there. But it was just like a flat. Like, they had nothing in the back. So why can't these hitchhikers go? But he was like, no, no, no, I can only take one person.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And they're like, but you have space in the back. Like, are you picking up other things? And he's like, no, no, no, I just want to take one person and they have to be female because I don't want to get mugged, you know? so he was trying to insinuate like I'm an old dude Like I'm on my 50s. I'm about to be in my 60s and like if I take a young dude He might rob me of my van so he said I can only take one person and they have to be female So that's when all of the people were like Mary I don't think you should get on this car like I don't think you should get with him
Starting point is 00:06:43 Especially because he's not even going to the LA area So it's not even convenient for him to take you there. So like what is this? But Mary honestly she was just so desperate She was desperate. She's 15. She feels super alone isolated She could not handle another day just roaming around the Bay area, right? And she didn't want nighttime to come so she was like, okay Like I'm just gonna trust this guy especially because like he's in his 50s, he looks like a grandpa, like he did as looks like a grandpa. So his name is Lawrence Bernard Singleton
Starting point is 00:07:11 and he was a former merchant seamian in the Navy. And he's in his 50s, he's in that blue van, he picks her up, and immediately they start making their way to Los Angeles. So she realizes, holy shit, this is gonna be a really long ride. But also at the same time, like I said, Mary Vincent was exhausted, she was so tired. The girl was just bent through some shit the past week or two.
Starting point is 00:07:31 So she immediately falls asleep, which really isn't smart, and she knew it wasn't smart, but she was that exhausted that she couldn't help it. And especially if you've been on the highway, the sun's shining in through the windows, you're just, it's like, you're ready to sleep. Yeah. And so when she wakes up, she realizes that they're not going south, which, I mean, when you're looking at these highways,
Starting point is 00:07:49 it's pretty clear, like, you know that you're eastbound or westbound or like northbound. Like, they're not headed south, and the only way to get from San Francisco to LA is fucking south, okay? Like, you don't go all the way to the east and then go south, like, it's fucking south. Like, you just straight shoot down.
Starting point is 00:08:03 So she's like, what the heck? So she turns to Lawrence and she's like, hey, I think you need to turn the car around because we're not headed to Los Angeles. Where are they heading to? Like Northwest, pretty much into the Central Valley of California where there's pretty much nothing. Like it's rural farmland.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Like there's no cities, there's not a lot of suburbs, it's just rural, rural, rural town. So they're headed there and she's like excuse you I think you need to turn this man around Stargrapes because this is not the direction that we're headed and he's like oh my god I my eyesight must be getting bad. It's an honest mistake. I'm an honest dude and we make honest mistakes I guess I guess I just got lost on the highway when you dozed off. And so he's like, here, here. Let me find a way to turn this car around, right?
Starting point is 00:08:49 So at this time, it had been night, nightfall. So the sun was setting, it was getting dark. Like I said, they're in rural, no man's land, okay? So he's like, okay, let me turn this car around. Well, while I do this, do you mind if I, P, I've been holding it in for so long, I just need a P on the side of the road. So he pulls on the side of the road that is deserted. Like there's nobody there. It's not even a major highway, right? So he gets out, he pees, and he's like, hey, why don't you
Starting point is 00:09:14 get out and stretch your legs? So she's like, oh shit, like I know something's happening. So Mary, like she's on edge. She's like, okay, I can do this. I can do this. She's thinking in her head. I'm gonna outrun this Old motherfucker honestly like okay, so her definition was that he was a little bit heavy He seemed a little bit unhealthy and he was a lot older. She's young. She's fit. She's healthy like she can freaking out run him She's like oh no, right? So she's like I'm gonna outrun this motherfucker. I'm gonna dip. So she's getting out of the car, that's when she notices her shoelaces are untied. Which is just like, ugh! So she thinks to herself, I'm just gonna play casual, like I'm just gonna act like, oh yeah, like let me just stretch my legs and then she's gonna tie her shoelaces and then just
Starting point is 00:09:56 out of nowhere, make a run for it. Like he won't even see it coming. But the minute that she bends down to tie those shoelaces, she gets bonked on the head with a sledgehammer. So she blacks out. Now, by the time that she wakes up, she wakes up tied up in the back of his van, she's completely naked, and he starts raping her. And he rapes her all through the night and into the morning. So during all of this, she's crying, she's begging him to set her free. She's 15, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And she's telling him, like, listen, I won't tell anyone. Just please set me free. Like, I'm not going to tell a single soul. And during her really desperate times, she even asked him, like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? And he just wouldn't respond. Certain times, he would fall asleep after the rapes. Because, you know, he needs to catch some z's. I'm so mad.
Starting point is 00:10:46 And so he would fall asleep and she said so a lot of the story is from her point of view because she survived yeah. And she said that she couldn't escape because she was tied up so well but she just wanted to die. Like she had no explanation other than the feeling of when she went through that night was the worst feeling she's ever felt and all she could think was God Can you please kill me now because I don't think even if I get out of this? I don't even think who I'll be like I don't even know what I'll do and so the morning comes around literally the sun Starts showing she was getting raped all throughout the night, okay? They're in the middle of nowhere. There's no screaming. There's no escaping right now
Starting point is 00:11:23 She kept begging him like please set me free now that it's daytime. Like, I'm not going to tell anyone, like, I'm not going to tell anyone. And he pulls her out of the van out of nowhere. And she's completely naked. She's bleeding down there, like, pretty much everywhere. So she's, like, blood dripping down her legs. And he asks, he asks her straight up, you want to be set free? I'll set you free. And he goes into his van while she's still tight up standing there outside the van, naked in broad daylight. And he pulls out a hatchet from his toolbox. And he starts swinging at her, at her left arm.
Starting point is 00:11:57 And she said that she felt like she was falling back into the grass. So obviously, she's trying to hold onto him because she doesn't want to fall. Like, that's your natural instinct. When you're falling onto the ground onto your back You're gonna try to grab on to something, right? And she she starts getting confused because as she's falling she said it was like slow motion like I know I know that I'm grabbing as tight as I can on his arm But why am I still falling to the ground and he's not falling?
Starting point is 00:12:21 So she falls down and she looks at her left arm and from the elbow down, there was just nothing. Just blood splurding out, her arm had been severed off from the elbow down. What the heck, what is he doing? So she feels all of the pain from this. She said that it was burning because the blood was just so hot and it just felt like this hot,
Starting point is 00:12:44 oozing burn like flowing out of her arm. And she just was awake, she was conscious, she was an excruciating pain, she saw exactly what happened to her. And so she's screaming, right? And then all of a sudden he brings the hatchet up and puts it down on her right arm. Now during this, she knows exactly what he's trying to do, right? I mean, he chopped off her left arm. He's gonna chop off my right arm, right? So she starts screaming she starts kicking him hoping someone will hear this entire commotion And so because of that it actually took him a long time to chop off her right arm Like he had to go multiple times with the hatchet. She was not drunk. She was not like out of it She just felt every little bit of it. She did not fall unconscious. She was awake and alive during all of this.
Starting point is 00:13:25 So she's kicking and screaming. Now she's laying there bleeding and we assume that both of her arms are chopped off, right? And she looks at Lawrence who's standing there and he's like flicking his arm. Like, you know how if you've got a hand cramp after writing something, you start flicking it. And she's like, what is he doing next? Like, what is he gonna do to me now? Why is he flicking his arm? And she was just bleeding, laying there. And she looks closer. And it's because her right hand was still clutched tightly onto his arm.
Starting point is 00:13:54 So he's trying to flick it off. After he chopped it off. Yeah. What the fuck? So he's trying to flick off her arm right now. Yeah. Or if you want to see, she's just shook. And so she's laying there, still tied up
Starting point is 00:14:10 with both of our arms bleeding, and he starts dragging her into the woods. And she kind of laid still. I think she just didn't know what was happening. Like, what is he going to do next if I fight back? Like, I think once you fight back, and it becomes worse for you, your brain starts, you know, teaching yourself not to fight back because, you know, when she was kicking and screaming, he had a chop off her right arm, like much longer, I guess, if that makes
Starting point is 00:14:32 sense. And so he's dragging her into the woods. She's in shock. She's laying still. He believes that she's dead. So just to make sure he threw her off a 30 foot cliff. So this is the way of him murdering her. Yes, he later said that he had to chop off her arms so that they couldn't get fingerprints from her body, which I mean, I feel like they had dental records back in the day. And just like face ID like your family would be like, Oh, that's my kid. So what is he doing with the arms? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:06 He just wanted her hands chopped off so they wouldn't like I think he threw the mount somewhere else. I don't know if they ever found it. Okay. And so he threw her off a 30 foot cliff so that she could bleed to death. Now this cliff, I know it sounds crazy. Like it's it the 30 foot cliff jump like drop sounds almost nothing compared to just getting your arms chopped off, but it was really bad.
Starting point is 00:15:24 It broke four of Mary's ribs. And so she gets to the bottom, she is suffering from broken ribs, she's a severe blood loss from her severed arms, and it sent her body into like just a complete shock. And her main concern was, okay, I don't know if he drove off, I don't know if he's going to come back down here and like finish me off, I don't know if this is some part of like torture, like I don't know. So she just kind of like laid there bleeding to death. Then she said the feeling that she kept getting was that she was so sleepy. She was so sleepy. All she wanted to do was sleep and she was so cold, like just cold and freaking sleepy. That's it. Like it was such an overwhelming feeling. But then she kept hearing this voice in her
Starting point is 00:16:01 head that was like, Hey, you can't go to sleep, you can't go to sleep. And then she also felt like, hey, if I go to sleep and I die, he's going to do this to someone else. He's going to rape someone and then chop our farms and throw her off a cliff. So she's like, I can't let that happen. Mind you, she had gotten into the car yesterday, then it became nighttime. He raped her all night, woke up in the morning, she had her arms severed, thrown down a cliff, right? So she stuck her arms into the dirt. This is so smart.
Starting point is 00:16:31 I didn't even think of this. So she stuck her arms into the dirt so that it would stop the blood flow. So the dirt kind of acted like a mud, so she wouldn't constantly lose blood. And she wanted to stop the bleeding, then she crawled up the cliff without any hands, without the rest of her arms with four broken ribs then she crawled up the cliff without any hands, without the rest of her arms with four broken ribs.
Starting point is 00:16:47 She crawled up the cliff. By the time she reached the main road, it was nighttime again. So that was all day of her just actively bleeding out. How does she not pass out? That's what a lot of people were confused by. Even doctors were like, this is insane. She was really smart. I mean, so smart for 15 because when she started walking on the main road
Starting point is 00:17:07 She was looking for people to help her she kept her arms above her head at all times To stop from the blood gushing out like I don't even know if I would have thought of this and I'm 20 fucking five and she was 15 But like she just was doing like the best that she could listen Listen, not all of us can be married then. So okay, she is brave, she is courageous, and sometimes I just gotta do with the best with what I got. And something that I used to help me with that is better help. Better help is not a crisis line, it's not a self-help line, but it is a professional counseling that's done securely online. And I am obsessed, I tell you. If you feel like there's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals or just feeling like, hey, 2021 kind of feels like an extension
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Starting point is 00:19:36 be a freeway somewhere which means there has to be people somewhere so she walked for three miles until daylight hit again so she pretty much just like walked all night now three miles until daylight sounds again. So she pretty much just like walked all night. Now three miles until daylight sounds like a really slow pace, but mind you, she has four broken ribs. She was just assaulted for, I don't know, God knows how many hours her arms are chopped off. Like she, it's a really intense walk. Like she is inching forward, right?
Starting point is 00:20:00 She's naked too, right? She's completely naked and she was covered in blood so the first car that she sees is a red convertible with their top down and there's two dudes in it so she's screaming for them to stop she's screaming help me help me and they see her and they pedal to the metal they dip out of there she said listen I understand I have no hands I'm covered head to toe in blood I'm naked it looks like a scene from a horror movie. So they drove away. All she could think was, oh my god, I'm gonna die out here. Like no one is gonna stop me from me. Everyone's too afraid to even talk to me, get close to me, like I'm just gonna die while I'm walking.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And thankfully, the second car that she passes is a honeymoon couple. And they were kind of lost, they were in their old truck and they were super, super lost. So they were just doing turns everywhere. They were like, where are we? We're on our honeymoon and we're so confused. They see her. They immediately stop. They help her into the back of the truck
Starting point is 00:20:54 and they tell her to lay still. We're gonna get you help. We're gonna get you help. And she said it was the oldest truck that she had ever been in, but the couple booked it. Like she could hear like pedal to the metal, like the rubber screeching, like they were booking it. But they're lost.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Yeah, they get to a local phone, right? So they get to the closest phone that they can see. They immediately call the paramedics and rescue helicopter flew down to get Mary just right to the hospital. Which like, I mean, crazy honeymoon, right? But also like,
Starting point is 00:21:22 I mean, that kind of like solidifies, hey, this is the one for me, like if I was in the car with you and you didn't stop for this, I'd be like, what the fork? Yeah, so she gets to the hospital, she had lost over a half of the blood in her body. The blood in her body that she had remaining got to a very toxic level and all of the doctors were really confused how she was alive. So she's alive, not only is she alive, but she's in her hospital bed giving the exact accurate description of Lauren Singleton to all of the police officers. In fact, this just detailed of his face, everything, the description that she gave to the police was so freaking accurate that once the police released a composite sketch of the man that was Lauren Singleton,
Starting point is 00:22:02 Lauren's neighbor almost immediately called it and was like, that's my neighbor, Laurence. What? Yeah, it was that accurate. It wasn't even like, oh, that kinda looks like my neighbor, but it also looks like everyone else because sometimes composite sketches literally look like everyone of that race. Like if it's like an Asian girl, it's like, oh God,
Starting point is 00:22:18 that's literally every Asian girl I know. Like why do they make it look like that, you know? But this one, I I mean her details were insane So it looked just like him to the point where all the neighbors were like nope without a shadow of doubt It is him so they called in and they bring in Lauren's single-tim to be questioned by the police and Lori Lauren said that Mary was a ten dollar horse. She's not a hitchhiker. She had Said that she would have sex with me for ten dollars So that's why if you see my DNA all up in her, it's because I paid her $10 because she's
Starting point is 00:22:46 a $10 whore. Why did you see acting like he hasn't done anything wrong? Oh yeah. And so the police were like, well, why would she have found like this? Like if she was just a prostitute, why didn't you just pay her and you guys would both be, you know, not in the hospital right now, not dealing with police, like what's going on? And he said, well, at the time there were two other prostitutes in the van, two other $10 horse in the van, and my guy friend was also there. And I'm not the one that chopped off Mary's,
Starting point is 00:23:15 you know, arms. That was my guy friend. He severed the arms. Yeah. Uh-huh. I fell asleep in the van, and my guy friend decided to torture Mary. And I don't know why. Who's your friend? She's like, oh, some guy named Larry. Like, it was just a really dumb, like super dumb. Like, the police were just like, no, okay, no. So they arrest him and they charge him with the mutilation, kidnapping and the assault of Mary Vincent. So the next time Mary would see Laurence Singleton is in court.
Starting point is 00:23:43 So she was still a teenager, she was scared. I mean, he was only 10 feet away from her when she was on the witness stand. She now had prosthetic arms and after she testifies, she walks by him and he whispers to her if it's the last thing I'll do, I'll finish the job. What the fuck is wrong with this dude? Yeah, so obviously because of all of this, because of Mary Vincent's strong testimony, because of all of the evidence he was convicted of kidnapping, rape, mayhem, which is another word for mutilation, attempted murder, sex crimes, and combining all of this, combining
Starting point is 00:24:18 kidnapping, rape, mayhem, attempted murder, sex crimes, the combined maximum legal time that he could get in the state of California at that time was 14 years. 14 years for all of that, for raping her all night, chopping off her arms, throwing her off a cliff and driving away was 14 years. 14 years. What? Yeah, I've seen people have more time for having drug possession. Like, this is insane. Don't understand. That was the maximum legal time in California at the time.
Starting point is 00:24:51 The judge literally said, if I had the power, I would send him to prison for the rest of his natural life. But I do not. So that was the judge can't make a decision. That was it. That was California law. That's just how much time he was allowed to have. 14 years. And you would think, okay fine. 14 years with this dude gone, he's in his 50s, he's gonna come out like in his 60s and things, you know, almost close to 70s, right? You're thinking, okay, fine, California, that's a shitty ass law, but whatever, we'll work with what we have. But he was paroled after serving only eight years.
Starting point is 00:25:23 He got out 6 years early. Yeah, he got reduced time for good behavior and working as a teaching assistant in a prison classroom. Which like, first of all, how do you have good behavior in prison when you literally just tried to kill someone in the most brutal way possible? Like you can't make that up by like cleaning toilets in prison. Like you're not going to suddenly be a good person and have good behavior. And this is his first and only time, that doesn't make sense. That's what people are saying, like maybe he got away with it for so long because no one
Starting point is 00:25:52 commits a crime like that, not even zero killers are like, hey, that's my first crime, what should I do? Yeah. Like it's, and later he gets free and murders another woman. So he gets pervalled after eight years in prison, right? Now people were so pissed about like, how could this happen, right? And at the time, there was a quiet law that was passed in California that allowed this to happen. And that law was all of these California prisons
Starting point is 00:26:15 were like, what do we do? We've got overpopulation in our prisons. So let's pass a law without letting the public know. Like we're just gonna do this as quietly as possible. And a day gets shaved off your sentence every day that you work in jail. So if you work one day in jail as like a prison classroom or like a prison assistant or like a teaching assistant or like cleaning the toilets, a day gets shaved off your sentence. That's fucking crazy. And people were really mad about this because
Starting point is 00:26:41 they were like, really? Why don't you just like release all the people that you put in jail because of their race, because they had a little bit of weed at the time, like because when weed wasn't legal, you know, like, why don't you release those people first? Like these non-violent sex offenders? Like these people who literally just had a little bit of weed in their car, and you're like, uh, jail for 20 years, be it.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Like, why don't you release those people first if you're so overpopulated? Like people were so confused. Everyone in California was like a holy forking shit. Like why did this log get passed? Like this is the dumbest thing we've ever heard. And so finally he gets paroled. So one year of his parole, he has to stay in a city
Starting point is 00:27:19 where the police know where he is at all times. They have to have his address just one year. They have to have his address. They have to have everything about him. They have to have his address, they have to have everything about him, they have to know his movements, he has to check in with a parole officer. And so now they're picking a town that he's gonna live in. So first they're like, okay, you can live anywhere
Starting point is 00:27:33 in Contra Costa County, California, which is like this big county with a bunch of different towns. Now the mayor, the mayor was just so outraged, he protested this, he got a bunch of his citizens to protest, he got a bunch of like board of supervisors of this entire town to protest There was just so much public outrage that finally the parole officers are like we can't put him there Like we got to pick a different place because they're not gonna let him live here like they're gonna freaking kill him Okay, so that's where they're like okay. What about Tampa, Florida?
Starting point is 00:28:00 So he grew up in Tampa, Florida Lauren Singleton and he had a lot of relatives there So why don't we just take him back to Tampa, Florida, and we can have Tampa, Florida, a parole officer, as watch over him for the next year. Now when they tried to place him in Tampa, Florida, the Guardian Angels led major protests in Florida. So the Guardian Angels started as a nonprofit international volunteer organization. It was founded in New York City by a man by the name of Curtis Lee Wah. And every time I hear his name, I just think JoJo Siwa. I don't know why. Lewa, Siwa. JoJo Siwa started it. I'm kidding. Okay. So it's in 130 different cities,
Starting point is 00:28:35 13 countries worldwide. And back in the day, like in the 80s, they were like a vigilante justice group. And during the brief beginning, people love them, most civilians love them. And then of course, with most groups like this, it got a little bit gray area towards the end. Like towards the end, they were just doing too much, you know, and they were getting a little bit too feisty or maybe they had some internal problems. That's what I heard.
Starting point is 00:28:58 I didn't do extensive research on this, but that's just what I heard. I do know that they're still active, though, even during the Black Lives Matter protests, they were protecting demonstrators and trying to prevent individual looters and rioters from bringing down the whole protest. Yeah, so they try to keep the community safe without involving police or politicians. They're kind of like an intense neighborhood watch group, honestly. That's how I see it. So they start organizing all of these protests in Florida and finally they were rejected by Florida
Starting point is 00:29:26 They were like no, we're not and we're not gonna have them like you can keep them in California He offended in California. Keep your ass in California. We don't want it like why are you trying to give them to Florida? And so they which is crazy if you get rejected by Florida You're really doing something wrong like Florida really takes a lot of people in there like hey come on come to our state Come on, We're fine. But like, they were like, not this one, not this motherfucker. So they tried to release him again in a different area of Contra Costa's County, California. And that's when the County Board of Supervisors and City Council members they got a restraining order as a city. They were like, this entire city is getting a restraining
Starting point is 00:30:02 order against Lauren Singleton so that he is not allowed anywhere inside our county So this was a big deal, huh? Yeah, oh god the public was Disgusted the public was not only I mean it was causing a lot of political issues at the time too because it's like Hey, why are you releasing him but not all of these other people? But also now that you're releasing him you're like hey hey, just send him to your nice little town. Like why? No, you guys keep him, you know? What are you talking about? Keep him in jail. We don't want him. We don't agree with the law that you just passed that shaves off days of prison sentences, especially if they're violent sex offenders. You know, like that doesn't make any sense. And so they were like, okay, why don't we just send him to San
Starting point is 00:30:41 Francisco, major city? They're probably a little bit more lax, you know, they're probably a little bit like, oh yeah, we'll take anyone, right? But San Francisco won a restraining order, barring him from the city of San Francisco. They were like, you can't come into San Francisco, motherfucker, we don't want you either. Which is just crazy. So then he was secretly being held
Starting point is 00:31:00 in a town called rodeo city, which is also somewhere in the north, and reporters find out that he's being holed held in this hotel. So they swarmed the place. I'm talking like 500 protesters around the hotel. He had to be guarded out of the hotel in a bulletproof vest because they were scared that the protesters would rip him apart. What the fuck are you kidding. So he was escorted out of the town by the Sheriff's Department. And what's even crazier is that Lauren Singleton during all of this time he had no remorse or guilt. He believed in his mind that Mary Vincent was a $10 whore and why should he spend time in jail for a $10 whore?
Starting point is 00:31:40 He was like upset. He was like, I can't believe I did eight years time for a $10 whore. Wait, how do you get out, Pearl? When? Yeah, because good behavior in the law where every day he works, shaves off a day. Yeah. So he was like, why? Why am I spending time when she's a whore? She deserved it. He believed that his actions did not warrant punishment at all. So finally, the governor of California had to step in and say, okay, fine, put a trailer on the grounds of San Quentin, which is state prison, and he's just gonna live in the trailer as a free man on parole, but like on the prison grounds.
Starting point is 00:32:15 So like he's not gonna, because you know, that was owned, the ground was owned by the state of California, so now no town can really say no. So for a year he lived there and then afterwards he's free. He can go wherever he wants and he stayed any city he can live anywhere, anywhere, right? And the people were protesting. So he went back to Florida and started living in Tampa because that's where he's originally from. And there were so many protests in Tampa. So there were people protesting on the streets. A car dealer offered him $5,000 to get the fuck out of California and never come back, or Florida, sorry.
Starting point is 00:32:47 So he was like, here's $5,000, get your ass out of Florida. And he was like, no, I'm gonna stay here. There was a homemade bomb that was even detonated near his house. He wasn't hurt, unfortunately. Can I say that? Yeah. So he, unfortunately, he wasn't hurt. And fortunately, nobody else got hurt, but there was a homemade bomb detonated near his house.
Starting point is 00:33:07 And he was arrested for theft two times in the same year. So the first time, he served 60 days for stealing a $10 disposable camera, which very much scares me. Very much scares me. Listen, I don't like it when creepy ass dudes buy disposable cameras. I'm like, that is some serial killer shit.
Starting point is 00:33:24 That's some shit I don't want to know about. dudes by disposable cameras. I'm like, that is some serial killer shit, that's some shit I don't wanna know about. I do not wanna see this, okay? And then afterwards, he got a two year prison term for stealing a $3 hat. And so he got three years, he gets released, and five years after that release, a neighbor calls the police, 911. Very frantic, says, oh my God, oh my God, I see my neighbor.
Starting point is 00:33:42 I see my neighbor attacking a woman inside of his house Please help please help his name is Lawrence. I see a man attacking a woman through the window of his house The police immediately they book it They arrive at the scene and they find a woman by the name of Roxanne Hayes She was a mother of three she was a single mom and she was working as a prostitute at the time to support her children Right and she was stabbed multiple times in the upper body, including the face, the chest, the head everywhere, her skull, and she died. Now, when Lawrence opened the door to let the police in, his shirt was open and there was blood all over his chest. So I mean...
Starting point is 00:34:18 How old is him then? Like 60s? I know. It's kind of crazy. So at this point, obviously, he's gonna try to play the defense of like, I'm just a gram, so I didn't know what I was doing. Maybe I have dementia, maybe I have Alzheimer's, you know? So that's when Mary traveled from Tampa to travel to Tampa to testify at the sentencing.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Mary Vincent. And she told the judge of Tampa, you know, of this murder case. Listen, my life has been turned upside down. After he was sentenced to prison, I try to get my life together. You know, I started going to art school. I started trying to, you know, get a degree and find my passion. And then when he got paroled every night, every day, all I could hear were his words that he whispered to me. If it's the last thing I'll do, I'll finish the job. And she said she just started falling apart. Like she couldn't, she couldn't focus on anything. She couldn't get her life together. She couldn't hold down a job.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Like it ruined her life. Not only that, I mean, she had prosthetic arms like this completely ruined her life. You know, and she's telling the judge this, like, please, you have to do something this time because he's not just a confused old man he's kind of hurt people and he's gonna keep hurting people and so the judge ordered him to death so they gave him the death sentence because yeah well I mean I agree with it for once which is crazy and he died of 2001 of cancer in prison so he wasn't even yeah he didn't even get executed. I don't know why that just like bothers me and a lot of other people. I'm not the only one. For some reason a lot of people get bothered by people on death row who die of natural causes and not get executed, especially when they're just so evil. And
Starting point is 00:35:58 like his last statement to the judge during this murder trial was, I'm sorry about the death in this case. I'll have to carry it on my conscience for the rest of my life, which, you know, it's gonna be hard. But I never mutilated Mary Vincent. So again, he's like playing the whole victim card of like, you know, I'm sorry that someone died, but like, you know who has to carry it on their conscience?
Starting point is 00:36:19 Oh my god, me. Like, you know who has to think about it every day? Oh, me. And everyone's- There's no freaking way that this is his first two times. Yeah, that's what everyone's saying. Like, you know who has to think about it every day? Oh, me? Everyone's just... There's no freaking way that this is his first two times. Yeah, that's what everyone's saying. No one.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Like, even Mary Vincent's case, it's just so brutal that you do not commit your first crime like that. Yeah. And the reason that he did it wasn't even because like, like, he was taken over by something like he was hallucinating. He straight up was like, oh, I was trying to prevent fingerprints. So I got to chop off her arms while she's alive. Like, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:36:50 Yeah. Let me tell you something that does make sense really quick, because I almost wanted to do like, do a TikTok on this because people are like, ooh, things to like get your significant out there. That's like different and unique. And like, everyone's trying to have like, the most unique gift.
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Starting point is 00:37:17 that might be difficult to say out loud. So what you can do is you go to lovebookonline.com and you literally just customize a book with your own unique love story in it. So and you literally just customize a book with your own unique love story in it. So whether you are gifting that to your mom, your significant other, your husband, your wife, your sister, whoever it may be, you can personalize all of the different pages. And it is just such a cute gift. And I think it's one of those gifts that's like, what do you get for someone during a year like this? Like what do you get for someone who has all of these other things and this is the gift! You can even create these really cute characters
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Starting point is 00:38:32 Again, that's lovebookonline.com slash rotten. So obviously after this one, there was so much outrage and legislation. So California passed a single tin bill, which prevents the early release in offenders who have committed a crime where torture is used. And now the maximum punishment is 25 years to life. So now they're saying, listen, if you torture someone, it's not gonna be 14 years, okay? That's not gonna be your maxence.
Starting point is 00:38:57 You could be imprisoned for the rest of your life, which is kind of crazy that I took them this long to think about that like a matching. Imagine someone murder someone by like, don't know self-defense accident what have you there's so many other reasons but like straight up torture like torture is torture like you knew exactly what you're doing like it's just you do it with intent Mary also won a civil lawsuit which awarded her 2.56 million dollars against Lauren Singleton.
Starting point is 00:39:25 However, she was unable to collect even a little bit because he was unemployed. He was in poor health. He was old and he only had $200 in his savings account. She was only awarded, I think, $6,000 from the California Victim Fund, barely anything, especially when you think about it, with having to live your life like that now, it's going to be a lot harder to make money, you know? Yeah. So like the fact that they were just like, here's a little bit of cash, bye!
Starting point is 00:39:52 Like what? So Mary Vincent though, she is a survivor, she's freaking strong. She ended up becoming an artist, and she got married, she moved to Orange County, she now has two sons she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to help victims of traumatic crimes and she said that when Lauren Singleton died she didn't feel any relief she didn't feel good because her question was still there are people like that out there like she didn't know evil people like that really existed outside of the movies but now that she knows what's the odds that it's just one dude yeah so. So a lot of people out there like that, but she said the
Starting point is 00:40:28 only happiness that she got from his death was her two sons were so relieved for her. And so seeing her sons like kind of get this weight off of their shoulder, so sad. I know I'm about to tear up. She said that was the only relief that she got when he died. Okay, now I thought I would do that one because it was like, oh yeah someone survived, someone's alive, you know, a life hasn't been lost story. But that was just overall dark. Now we're getting into... We're getting into the case of the deli bus rape incident in 2012. This one has been highly requested on my YouTube channel and on this podcast. And I just, every time I get into it,
Starting point is 00:41:12 I just, like, fall apart, and I'm like, I can't do this, so it's like too much. And then I try doing it again because I'm like, listen, people wanna hear the story. And I think it's good to get this story out there, but every time I just fall apart. So I recently did some extensive research on it. I also watched a very good documentary called India's Daughter on it, which was just so
Starting point is 00:41:31 moving, the victim's parents were actually heavily involved in it. So I wanted to hear what they had to say about everything, but I guess let's just jump right in. So December 16th of 2012. And I just want to reiterate 2012. Like, that's so recent. So 8.30 p.m., a 23-year-old medical student on her way home from the movies,
Starting point is 00:41:52 she had just watched Life of Pi with a male friend they get onto a bus. Now, they boarded a private bus because it claimed to be going in the direction of their house, right? So that's where all of this takes place. And in order to understand this, we have to talk about Jody. So Jody is J-Y-O-T-I, if I'm not mistaken, and so India has a law where you don't release the names of sexual
Starting point is 00:42:15 assault victims, like rape victims, and a lot of it, you know, you would think, oh, that's good, because it's up to the victim to release it. But sometimes it has to do with the fact that there was such intense shame culture, like being raped was shameful. So a lot of people didn't want their name released, not because they're like, hey, I want privacy from the press. It was because people would shame you for being raped. I see, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:37 So they had that law, but her parents decided in the documentary that they weren't like, why? She didn't do anything wrong. She is a light to this world. So we're gonna call her by her name So prior to this documentary and prior to the parents releasing her name She was called by nicknames a lot of them stood for like fearless courage, you know, cuz she fought back Like she was courageous. So Jody was always a really cute curi-
Starting point is 00:43:00 That's her actual name. Yes, if I pronounce it wrong. I'm so sorry. So she was a really cute, curious, happy kid. She was really, just really curious. So like her parents remember that she would crawl over in the middle of the night. And like, you know how they're sleeping? She would lift their eyelids up and be like, mommy, mommy. And they'd be like, what, Jody? Like, it's nighttime.
Starting point is 00:43:19 And she'd be like, why is the moon out? And they're like, what? To provide light. Like, she just wanted to know how everything worked, right? And in India, the parents even said that family celebrate a lot when a boy is born. And it's kind of like this in Korean culture and a lot of cultures.
Starting point is 00:43:36 I wonder if it's like that deep rooted in America, I'm not sure. But I know in Korean culture, everyone wants a boy too. And even to this day, like 2020 and people are like, Oh, is it a boy? Which is really odd. My family specifically only wants girls. Like my sister was like, if I get a boy, I'm gonna cry. And I was like, oh my god.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Okay, so it's very cultural. So in India, family celebrate when a boy is born. But when a girl's born, they don't really celebrate. Like they talk about it, they're like, oh yeah, we just had a girl. But it's not necessarily like the most exciting thing in the world. But when Jody was born, her parents had really modernized thinking. So they passed out sweets to everyone, which is tradition for when you have a boy, you go and you pass out all of these foods, your neighbors. And everyone's response was, you're celebrating as if it's a boy. And they were like, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:44:25 It really doesn't matter. I'm happy if my kid is a girl or if my kid is a boy, I don't think that that matters. And so ever since Jody was young, she wanted to be a doctor, but they really didn't have any of the money. How are they gonna put her through schooling? This was just a huge worry for the parents.
Starting point is 00:44:40 And the one thing that really made them feel like they had to do the next step was, how can my son be educated and all my daughter is crying about and she's only happy when she's learning something. How can I say no? How can I be happy if my son is happy but my daughter isn't? So they were like, okay, we got to do this. We got to sell our ancestral land. So they had land that was passed down from ancestors to ancestors and now it was finally in their possession And a lot of it was saved up so that whenever Jody gets married They would sell it and they would use that money for her wedding, right?
Starting point is 00:45:12 Because that's very cultural very traditional and she told her dad dad whatever money you've saved up for my wedding Please just use that money to get me educated That's what I mean, that to me is, I mean, you know, we like, we want to keep like, No, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's how, yeah, you would think a lot of normal people would think today. But that's so sad because in certain parts of the world,
Starting point is 00:45:36 that's how people would sell their homes or land for a wedding versus, yeah, you know, like education, that's a better future and stuff, it's just so crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. And then like always, this makes me feel so shitty because I'm like, I really am not grateful
Starting point is 00:45:53 for what I have. Like, what the fuck? Like, I used to complain about going to school and then like, reading this story. I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna cry. Like, what is wrong with me? And so she was like, please just use that money to get me educated.
Starting point is 00:46:07 That's all I want. So the way that everyone describes this family is that they were very traditional family in the sense that they were really big on having morals, ethics, you know, all of these things, but they had a very modern thinking, especially compared to all of their neighbors. And so they sold that ancestral land
Starting point is 00:46:23 to pay for her fees and getting a tutor. Now all of Jody's mom's brothers like the people who the land was passed down through, they were so fucking mad. And their first question to Jody's mom was why are you selling it for a girl? Like not even like you're like what do you need help? Like do you want money? But it was, why are you doing all of this for a girl? Which is just like what? So even Jodi and her parents, they believe that there's problems with mentality in gender roles in India.
Starting point is 00:46:53 So they were saying that obviously if certain views are created since birth and you're told this or that about gender, so then it's gonna carry on. So they were saying it's so small, like such small things. When you're young in India and let's say you come from an incredibly traditional family who doesn't have modernized thinking, the parents will always let the boys sun eat first
Starting point is 00:47:12 and give them a full glass of milk, whereas the daughter will get half the milk because the boys need the energy. The boys will run out, go to school, and the girls are left to cook. So it's like even if you don't teach the boys, hey you guys are equal or like even if you don't teach the boys you're better cook. So it's like even if you don't teach the boys, hey you guys are equal or like even if you don't teach the boys you're better than girls, it's like a message that you're sending to your kids every single day that I value males more than females.
Starting point is 00:47:35 And even the females when they grow up, a lot of the times they will think that abuse is okay because they're like, I am lesser than my husband, which is crazy. And I saw a lot of retitors talking about it and they were like, I am lesser than my husband, which is crazy. And I saw a lot of retitors talking about it, and they were saying, you know, it sounds crazy to a lot of Americans, but it's not because, think about it.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Last time you had a family gathering, let's say Christmas Thanksgiving, who offered to help pack up the rest of the food in Tupperware, who helped with the dishes, and what were the boy teenagers doing? So they were saying, it's kind of like in every culture. Like you can't just say it's like, oh, in like Asia or like, you know, in all these other places, that's the culture.
Starting point is 00:48:12 So it's like pretty much everywhere. Yeah, but India and certain countries. Yeah, I mean, it's worse, but it's just, you know, food for thought, it is kind of everywhere, which also made me think, I'm like, wow, that does happen in my family too. I'm like, wow, that does happen in my family too. I'm like, what? So um, she ends up going to medical college, right? And her dad was working at a labor, as a labor at the airport. And Jodie, she was working part time to pay for staying at a hostel in the part of the
Starting point is 00:48:37 area where she was going to medical school. Her English was really good compared to a lot of people because she was really, really into studying. So she worked at night shifts at an international call center. Now here's what's crazy. She would work from 8 p.m. to 4 a.m. go home, sleep for three hours, then go to classes. And her tutor even asked her, how can you handle all of this? And Jody says, I have to and I can. Which is such crazy. Okay. So she would just sleep three to four hours on average.
Starting point is 00:49:07 She just had a lot of big dreams, and it wasn't even like big crazy dreams. It was like she wants to become a doctor, and she wants to build a hospital in her ancestral village because they had no hospitals. They had no medical care inside that village. So you would have to spend a ton of money to travel outside your village to get medical care,
Starting point is 00:49:23 which is just like, by that time, time is sensitive when you're in a medical emergency, but also money like traveling out of the village to get care at an expensive hospital is just crazy. So she wasn't even like, oh, I'm going to be the best doctor ever and like go on like 90 day off. It was just, I want to help people. But what an amazing story it would be. Like they sold a land from that village to pay for the school and now she came back and build a hospital to help everyone in the village.
Starting point is 00:49:49 That would be, you know. She was kind of unstoppable. Her life motto, all of her friends says, was, a girl can do anything. So like if people were like, oh, why are you doing this, Jody, you should just be like, a girl can do anything. Because you know, it was very common for people to ask her, like, why are you doing all of this? Like, what's wrong with you? Like, shouldn't you be looking for a husband, you're sold now?
Starting point is 00:50:09 And she was like, a girl can do anything. So she's really smart. So just to give you an example, one time, she was at a market with her friends, right? And a tenured boy snatches her purse. He steals the purse and runs away. Now, police officer at the market, he sees this. And he hunts that little boy down and he starts beating the ten-year-old boy. And so Jody runs over because that boy's got
Starting point is 00:50:29 her purse and she's like, stop, stop! So she stops the police officer from punching the boy and she tells the police, the child is gonna learn nothing from what you're doing right now. So she's like, go the fuck away, like I'll handle it. So she kneels down and she starts talking to the little boy And she's like, why did you steal my purse? He says I just want shoes and maybe like a hamburger like I want to have clothes like you guys So he was like barefoot and he just really needed money, right? So she bought him everything that he wanted and Made him promise that he's never gonna steal people's purses again and he promised and she's she just feels like this is how he's gonna learn to be a good person not by beating him up.
Starting point is 00:51:10 She was way above her time. She was too good for all of us. Honestly, I don't know what to say. I'm getting emotional. Now, in every town, there are the people, the visionaries, like Jody, the people that are doing good for the community, and there's the fucking scum of the scum of the scum of Earth. Okay, so we're gonna briefly talk about those scums. So, there was a boss driver.
Starting point is 00:51:30 I forget his name, honestly it's not important because who the fuck cares about him. And there was a guy by the name of Ram Singh, who's his brother. So, they're siblings, one of them drives a bus, and it's a private bus, so they would charge people if he had to get on the bus, and they would take them to their destination. So, it wasn't like a Metro bus, it's not run by the government, it's a private bus so they would charge people a fee to get on the bus and they would take them to their destination.
Starting point is 00:51:45 So it wasn't like a metro bus, it's not run by the government, it's not run by the city, but it's not necessarily a greyhound where you have to get tickets in advance. Think of like a taxi, but a bus situation, right? And so Ram is his brother and he is described to be someone who is capable of anything, but not in the way Jodi is, in the way that he's abusive and he likes to fight and drink, and he's capable of breaking all human moral limits. Like, that's how he's described as when he's capable of anything. And then there's a guy by the name of Vene Sharma, who is always fighting.
Starting point is 00:52:15 People say that there's really nothing good to say about him. He would volunteer at a gym, and he fights a lot. One time he beat up a guy, so bad that the guy had internal injuries. And he would take steroids and injections so that he could a lot. One time he beat up a guy so bad that the guy had internal injuries and he would take steroids and injection so that he could be stronger. He was, Vene was known for chasing after girls to harass them. Like, he would just chase after random girls on the street to try to like sleep with them and they would have to literally like throw things at him so that he wouldn't, I don't know, rape them.
Starting point is 00:52:40 Like, he was evil. And then there's a guy by the name of Pawan Gupta who owned like a fruit stand and he really like to fight too So yeah, they all like to fight and then off friends Yeah, and then oxhae the core he helped out around on the bus of the brothers and he would clean the bus He would wake up the driver and the brother. He would make some tea. He would bring them milk He has a wife and kids. Yeah, We saw this is a whole game of friends. Yeah, they're all friends. Like they hang, they live in the same area. They run the bus business together?
Starting point is 00:53:11 Yeah, but it's not really a bus business because that's kind of what they bought the bus with the intention to do. But what they would actually do is act like they don't know each other on the bus and they would like steal people's wallets when they get on the bus. Oh my god. So it was more of like a whole last scam. Like it was not really like a oh let's start like a LLC It was like no, let's con people and then there is a guy by the name of Muhammad who is considered the juvenile in this case So most of the case until the trial happened he was just considered like called the juvenile He was 17 years old when this took place and he's disgusting. He's evil and he's free right now
Starting point is 00:53:43 so Yeah, so his case is tried separately from the adults later on, but he would just clean the bus, he would make a little bit of money, and he was really sharp at tricking people onto the bus because he looked young, he looked really nice, he didn't look like this old creepy ass dude who was like, oh no, I'm not getting on a bus with that guy, like he's 17, like how scary could that be? So all of them are friends, they live in the same village and they're always hanging out on the bus together. Now to give you some feeling, some vibe about these people, the driver of the bus was interviewed for the documentary called India's Daughter, which is just such a crazy one, right? And this is what he had to say about rape.
Starting point is 00:54:21 You can't clap with one hand. It takes two to clap. A decent girl won't roam around at nine at night. A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy. And he also said boys and girls are not created equal. Housework and housekeeping is for girls not roaming at the bars or the discos at night, doing wrong things, wearing wrong clothes, only about 20% of girls are good. Does he have people agreeing with him? Yeah. I mean, you have a lot of men who are like, uh, that does not represent us and he's scum, and we would actually like to kill him if we can.
Starting point is 00:54:55 And then you have a lot of men who are like, yeah, pretty much. And a lot of them were interviewed for the documentary too. And I was just shook that this took place in 2012, because I'm like, this feels like some fucking 1800s type shit. You know? You mean a lot of, man, that's not part of the crime? Yeah, like attorneys and dogs. Agreed?
Starting point is 00:55:12 Yeah. Oh God, you're gonna get so mad. You're gonna get increasingly mad. That's not the only quotes that I have from these scum ass criminals, okay? So on the day of the incident, December 16th of 2012, they're all hanging out, okay? They're all gathered, they're all eating together,
Starting point is 00:55:26 they're drinking, and they had to drink in a lot, particularly like a whole bottle of like hard liquor, I believe, and they're like, let's go party! So Ram, the driver's brother, he's like, well, we've got money, let's go on GB Road and have some fun. So it seems like GB Road, it was described as a place where just a lot of craziness happens at night.
Starting point is 00:55:43 I think there's like discos, there's bars, you know, there's a lot of stuff happening. So maybe it's a little sketchy or whatnot. So they're like, let's go there and let's just have some fun. Just drive around and see what we can do. Now at this weekend, this particular weekend, Jody had finished her finals. So she comes home for the weekend and she was for the first time in a really long time, just like relaxed. Okay, she wasn't doing her part-time job this weekend. She was starting an internship the next day on the 17th. So this was her last night, Sunday night, just to relax with her family.
Starting point is 00:56:14 And her parents were so happy. So Jody said, listen, mom, dad, you don't have to worry anymore. Your little girl is gonna be a doctor. Now everything's gonna be fine, and I'm gonna take care of you. So she would have to do her internship for the next six months and then she would be a practicing doctor bringing in money. So they were so close to the finish line. They were so close like all of their troubles, all of their sorrows were about
Starting point is 00:56:38 to end and she was like mom, dad, you don't have to worry anymore. I got you. Just give me six months and I'm gonna start paying for shit. Like, it's gonna be amazing. Like, I'm gonna be a doctor. And the mom, even in the documentary, she said, maybe God didn't like that because he ended it all there. And so because she starts her internship tomorrow, she's like, hey, mom, can I go see a film?
Starting point is 00:56:58 Like, I really wanna go see a movie because once the internship starts, I'm gonna have no life. And then immediately after, like, I'm gonna have no life because I'm gonna be a full-on doctor. And I'm gonna have no life. And then immediately after, I'm gonna have no life because I'm gonna be a full-on doctor. And I'm gonna love it. But I just, maybe I can just go watch one movie, right? And she was like, yeah, just be careful.
Starting point is 00:57:12 And so she goes out with her male friend, which really, I don't even know why that's pertinent to the story. But I guess it is. It's a male friend. In some reports, he's described as a boyfriend because in a lot of Western cultures, it's okay to have a boyfriend when you're 23 But in a lot of reports he was just named as like an unknown male friend
Starting point is 00:57:29 Which I don't know what shadier like why what doesn't matter but it apparently mattered at the time We'll get into it. So her friend wanted to see like this crazy action movie But she really wanted to see life of pie because it had just been released So they watch Life of Pie and around like 8 a 30 p.m. they're walking home. So you be a cat lover, I just need to know. So I love cats, I think they're so cute.
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Starting point is 00:59:59 And they tell them the direction in which they're headed and they say, ah, that's exactly where we're going. So why don't you guys hop onto the bus? This is the fair. So they hop onto the bus filled with those scum of the earth people that I just described. The 17 year old was like, oh, perfect, that's exactly where we're headed. So they get on to that bus. How many people? Six dudes including the driver. Now it would be seven because of Jody's friend, but I don't want to group him with these
Starting point is 01:00:23 people. And there's nobody else. Yeah, nobody else. So it's the five guys in the back and then the driver and they all know each other, but I don't even know if they knew that they knew each other when they got onto the bus. And so technically, total, you have seven men on the bus, one female, but the guy was with Jody, so we're just going to say six dudes on the bus. And at this point, they start of like harassing the couple.
Starting point is 01:00:46 So the first thing was that the friend was like, hey, the bus is actually not going in the direction that you guys said it was going into. So can you guys just stop the bus? We'll pay the fare and we'll just get off the bus, right? And the dudes in the back, the scum of the earth, they were just like, what's a nice couple like you doing that at this time? And it's like fucking 830 by the way. So I don't know what he's talking about. And they're like, what are a nice couple like you doing that at this time? And it's like fucking 830 by the way. So I don't know what he's talking about.
Starting point is 01:01:06 And they're like, what are you doing? Are you guys married? You're not married, but you guys are out together. Oh, so you guys are dating. Oh, are your parents okay with this? That's kind of nasty. And they're just like constantly making these like just nasty ass remarks to the couple, right?
Starting point is 01:01:23 So that's when the driver says that his brother had switched off the light in the back of the bus and an argument ensued because the friend of Jody was like, hey, just stop the bus, like we're gonna get off the bus, like you can take our money for the fare, like just get us off the fucking bus, right? So the five guys in the back, they jump the friend and they beat him with a metal rod, drag his unconscious body to the back and that's when they go towards Jody. So Jody is screaming for help and the driver kept driving around with no destination in mind,
Starting point is 01:01:53 sometimes just doing loops on the streets. He did not stop. Meanwhile, the five guys in the back, they proceeded to hit Jody with the metal rod, they dragged her to the back area of the bus and all of them took turns raping her. After all of them took turns raping her, which every single second of this assault, she was not unconscious, she was alive, she knew everything that was happening and we have evidence of this later on. She felt everything, she saw everything, she experienced everything and once all of that was done, they penetrated her with a rusty metal rod. And this must rusty metal rod would actually, doctors say, cost
Starting point is 01:02:37 a lot of internal genital and uterus damage. Because I mean, it's like imagine just like a metal rod. And then it gets crazier. The 17 year old Muhammad stuck his hand inside of her and pulled out something long and stringy. We later find out that it was her intestines, so he disemboweled her in the back of the bus. He disemboweled her and then he turns to the driver and says she's dead. Throw her out quickly. So first they try opening the back door but they didn't open. So they dragged her to the front along with her friend and they threw her out on the side
Starting point is 01:03:11 of the road. They just stopped in the side of the road and it was a pretty busy road and just threw her out onto the street of a busy road. There was literally a hotel right across the street. So they throw her and her friend, they were pretty much naked. Some reports say that they were partially clothed, but a lot of witnesses who saw them later, they were like, oh, they were fucking naked, right?
Starting point is 01:03:32 So the driver said that all he did was drive the bus, but the other men's state that they took over so that the driver could rape her too. So the driver to the last breath that he had, he was like, I never raped her, all I did was drive the bus. Have you ever heard of like, bank robberies? The driver is still fully up-fault, okay? Like, you can't just be like, all I did was drive the car. No.
Starting point is 01:03:53 I firmly believe that he did go to the back to rape her because that's how scum he is. But that's just my opinion. So after they drive away, after disposing of the two people, they start talking, wait, where's their stuff, where's their stuff, right? And the driver is like, oh, in the front seat, there's stuff in the front seat. And they just go through their stuff and they start putting on their jackets, wearing their watches, like whatever they liked from their stuff, they just like put it on. They're like, oh, I want to keep this.
Starting point is 01:04:16 What? Like, no fear. First of all, no shame, but second of all, no fear. Like, you shouldn't your main thing be like, how do I dispose of this so I don't get caught? Like, oh my god, my fingerprints, right? So they think the woman is dead? Yeah, they just like threw her on the street, went on with their life.
Starting point is 01:04:33 And the juvenile would even tell everyone, hey, don't worry about her intestines. Like, I got rid of the DNA because I had pulled out her intestines and cut a piece of it off. I wrapped it up in a cloth and I threw it out of the bus. So don't worry guys. And all the guys were like, okay. I'm so annoyed.
Starting point is 01:04:50 So they all go back home and they're like, okay, first of all, we gotta make some promises. Number one, we're never gonna talk about this again because that was crazy. That's how I think dumb people talk by the way. And also, if the police ever come around, we're never gonna give out each other's names. Which isn't gonna last very long. Cause they're dumb. Inside the bus, there was blood everywhere. There was blood on the police ever come around, we're never gonna give out each other's names. Which isn't gonna last very long.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Cause they're dumb. Inside the bus, there was blood everywhere. There was blood on the seats, the floor, just everywhere, and they had to clean all of it. So they started cleaning up all of the evidence. A lot of blood. At around 11 p.m., a passerby noticed that there were two victims inside of a bush
Starting point is 01:05:22 off the main street, and he was just like, what? So he sees a boy and a girl laying there like pretty much completely naked. He freaks out He goes to the hotel across the street gets them sheets and a bottle of water So he rips up the hotel sheet like the bed sheet gives half to the girl and gives half to the boy And they cover themselves up and at this point he said about 30 to 35 men had gathered and none of them tried to help He even asked please someone help someone call the police someone help me get the matter of the bush Nobody helped They're all men. Yes, they all stood there and watched Nobody set forward finally finally and ambulance was called and came and they were taken to the hospital
Starting point is 01:06:04 So at this point her parents were freaking out because they were like, oh, she was supposed to be home by now. We knew exactly what time her movie was like, why isn't she home? She's not picking up her phone. This is so unlike her. Then they finally get a call from the hospital. And at first, the first phone call that they got was like, oh, your daughter's been in an accident. Please come to the hospital. And then the second call that they got was like, oh, no one's told you she's been raped. And then the second call that they got was like, oh, no one's told you she's been raped. So at the hospital, Jody was alive and she was bleeding profusely from her vagina.
Starting point is 01:06:31 She was incredibly scared, she was fully conscious, she was sobbing. And the doctor says that Jody was not sobbing from the physical pain. Let's get that straight, okay? She was describing every clear detail of the assault. She remembered every slap on the face, every kick in the stomach. She had intense bleeding bite marks all over her face, lips, and her limbs. The surgeon said that I have been practicing for over 20 years and I've never come across a case like this. The system by which the human body functions is all gone.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Like we don't even really know where to start or how to fix her. The surgeon also tells the parents that maybe two, three hours, maybe max two, three days, we don't think she's going to make it long. Like she had intense internal injuries. They just didn't even know how to fix her. The doctors were like, it's very hard to believe that she's even alive right now. So the parents see Jody and she immediately starts crying and her mom's trying to tell her like,
Starting point is 01:07:31 it's okay, everything's gonna be okay. So within 24 hours, I mean, just chaos erupted. Not just regular chaos, just full on fucking chaos, okay? So within the first 24 hours, let's talk about the suspects. They were able to identify the bus because they were looking for all of the hotels in the area that she had been dropped off, like disposed of on the side of the road. And one of them had a camera pointing towards the road.
Starting point is 01:07:56 So they're studying all these buses, because she was like, it's a bus, it's a bus, right? And they see one bus stop at that location, but not only did they stop, but like 10 minutes earlier, they had driven the same road, which is a really odd thing to do, like why are you driving in circles? So they were like, let's identify that particular bus first. So they identify the bus, they find it on the side of the road somewhere, and there's two people inside. It was the driver and his brother, and they immediately jump out of the bus, and they
Starting point is 01:08:22 start running away. So the police impound the bus, they arrest the two and they start confessing and just like naming the fellow bases They're just like, oh, and then he was involved and then he was involved and then he was involved So like they're a little cute little promises. Yeah, it didn't last because they're a bunch of fucking cowards Okay, so they're like, oh yeah, and then my friend, oh, and then this one and then this one we were all there So this is the first time in and then this one we were all there. So this is the first time in Delhi history that they actually used dental forensics
Starting point is 01:08:46 to identify one of the accused with the bite marks on the victim. It was like a perfect match. So like his teeth and then the bite marks on Jodi. Now meanwhile that this was taking place, the protest, it was almost immediate. The minute that people had found out about this, this was probably
Starting point is 01:09:05 the craziest protest in India at the time. And a lot of it had to do with the fact that, you know, a lot of people were fucking sick of it at this point. So every 15 minutes a woman in India gets raped and most of the time it's not even reported, so it could be much, much higher than that, right? And immediately to the streets, there were just hundreds and thousands of people. So a lot of people who studied Indian history, they were trying to say that the cultural impact on this was a little bit different because first of all, it was in a capital city, Delhi, and then it happened around 8 p.m., which is not necessarily late at all by
Starting point is 01:09:41 any means. It was a young boy and a girl returning home from the movies. So this is all normal activity. So there was not one single soul in India who could say, well then maybe she shouldn't have been going to the bar. You know, like there was really nothing anyone could say. Like, okay, first of all, I don't agree with that statement. But anyone, even with those misogynistic views, couldn't even say that. Because it's literally normal human behavior so the bus driver said it. Oh yeah yeah cuz he's a fucking we'll get into it and so most people they were just like what this is such a normal situation that doesn't make any sense so there was
Starting point is 01:10:18 no argument by anyone a lot of men came out as well to protest but it was a lot of women who were just sick and tired of it. This was a wake up call for them. They were like, no. Like, what are you talking about? So up until this point, I think that there was a little bit of stigma from what I could read on like Reddit and like research articles.
Starting point is 01:10:37 A lot of people were saying up into this point, people were saying, like, it was so brainwashed into a lot of girls that if they hear about a gang rape they're like okay well now we can't go out at this time you know if they hear about this they're like oh shit okay like that that area of town is bad we shouldn't go there right yeah but now it was like a medical student who's 23 went to go watch life of Pi going home at AP and like it was like nobody safe nobody safe like even if you like parents try to tell you oh it's don't go at Hi, going home at APN, like it was like nobody's safe.
Starting point is 01:11:05 Nobody's safe. Like even if you, like parents try to tell you, oh, it's don't go out that time, don't wear this. Like it's like, no, nobody's safe. What are you talking about? And so it was just a huge wake up call. They had some crazy signs which made me tear up so much. So a lot of people were holding signs that said,
Starting point is 01:11:21 don't teach me what to wear, teach your sons not to rape. There was a lot of signs that said, you know, like, am I safe? Like a lot of women were demanding to know, am I safe? Like, how do I know if I'm safe? And it's crazy because the protests took place everywhere. Obviously it was heavily present in India, but I mean, just a lot of areas in South Asia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Paris even had a huge march where they marched to the Indian Embassy in Paris.
Starting point is 01:11:50 I'm like getting emotional. And there was this one man who was holding a sign that said, woman, take back your city and the police hated that. Like why? I don't even know why someone would be offended by that. Like one is saying women let's go shoot up all the men like no one's saying that it's just like women we deserve a place in this city we're strong we're powerful you know but the police have fucking hated that sign so they immediately stopped her and I don't know if this was the catalyst but it seemed to be one of
Starting point is 01:12:21 the many things this was after multiple days of protest the police just decided, yeah, we're not gonna fucking do this anymore And they just started throwing tear gas. They started just fucking up the crowds And this was a peaceful march for multiple days straight But finally the police were like, yeah, I'm sick of it. I'm like, I don't get paid enough for this So they just started fucking arresting them throwing women into vans. What are these vans? What are you doing? What is happening? They're literally following the law. They're not trying to do anything, but you're throwing them into vans. It just got really, really, really ugly very quickly, and it was a completely peaceful protest, but the police turned it into a war zone.
Starting point is 01:13:03 And a lot of people said that this was a historical reason. And honestly, I know it sounds crazy, but I just keep thinking about the Black Lives Matter protests because that I believe was also historical because this was the first time where a lot of young people got involved in India as well. And they didn't do it for a political party. They weren't saying, hey, I love this politician.
Starting point is 01:13:22 So they told us to march. It wasn't because one leader brought them together and was like, we're going to do this on this day. It was a bunch of young people who were like, I'm fucking sick of this. So they went out onto the streets and they made such a huge impact day by day. It was so intense that it forced the Indian government into setting up a committee called the Varmar Report,
Starting point is 01:13:44 which was a judicial committee who was literally just in charge of how to deal with the problem of rape in India. That was all they were to do. So there were expert judges put on the case. They went through 80,000 suggestions from the public on how to better the situation in India. And they made a number of important changes. First of all, things need to happen faster in the judicial system.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Like it's way too slow. If a sexual assault victim is waiting six years for her case to be closed, fucking too long, dude. Like what are you doing? Okay, we need to speed this shit up. The definition of sexual assault needs to be more broad. We can't just say, oh it has to be penetration done this way, right? Like no.
Starting point is 01:14:22 The language of modesty and shame needs to be removed from the judicial code of India, like not even from the mouths of judges and prosecutors, but from the penal code. You know, like take that shit out. Like why is the word modesty in there in the first place or shame? Like get it out of there. There was also even more things that they had to worry about because there's usually strong indicators of women being treated horrendously in certain countries. Okay, I just don't want to be that American that's like in America, we don't have that culture because I firmly believe women everywhere are in danger a lot of the times, right? It's what I was trying to say.
Starting point is 01:14:57 But in certain countries, you can tell by certain crimes. So in India, there was a high incidence of domestic beatings but also high incidences of acid attacks done by males to females, which is pouring acid onto someone's face so they will become disfigured, deformed, they will sometimes lose their eyesight, their skin will fall off, and so these are usually very sexist crimes. These are not just, oh like crimes of passion, like fucking murderous people out there, These are very, very sexist crimes. So they were trying to address those as well. Now what's even crazy is that the police had the nerve to go out to the public and say,
Starting point is 01:15:35 ah, this is a safe capital. It's as safe as any other capital in any other developed country. And then people were looking at him, so then he changes his wording, and he's like, safe in a general sense. And then he goes, even safe for women. And it's just like that is not good enough. Like what are you saying? That is not good enough.
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Starting point is 01:17:28 There was a lot of controversy about this because she actually collapsed on the way there in the helicopter or the airplane or whatever She was in because she wasn't fit to be moved a lot of people think that this was like a political thing that was happening Like she was literally being moved for politicians to like make a stance and spread. Like, it really wasn't for Jody. So there was a lot of anger towards that. But to be fair, it is one of the best hospitals in the world for trauma management and organ transplants. So she was awaiting a transplant,
Starting point is 01:17:57 but it would still happen in like three weeks time. That's again, why people were like, why didn't you just wait until she was a little bit stronger? You know, it doesn't make any sense. So she was in a lot of pain. She barely could talk. Her parents were by her side the whole time, but they said that it was devastating for them because they're right next to her.
Starting point is 01:18:13 Yeah, but they're so helpless. Like, what do we do? And her mom still thinks about that to this day, which is like, you just want to help, but you can't. You literally can't do anything. And her last words, Jody's last words, her mom was, sorry, my mom want to help, but you can't. You literally can't do anything. And her last words, Jody's last words, her mom was, sorry, mommy, I gave you so much trouble, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:18:35 And then December 29th of 2012, she passed away from her injuries. How many days is that? From the 16th to the 29th. So I mean this, this rape was so brutal. There really wasn't much that people could understand. And there was a lot of talks about why this one, because it wasn't uncommon for gang rapes to happen in India.
Starting point is 01:19:00 So why is this one becoming such a crazy movement? Not saying it shouldn't be, but why but why right she's gang raped by six people She was raped with a rusted iron rod and they disemboweled her like I don't think there's not one person Misogynist shit asshole or not that's like oh, that's normal human behavior like it just it was so hard for even the nastiest Most misogynistic pieces of shit to understand this Like it just made it so hard and That's when the juvenile came forward and he said well, I didn't disembowel her on purpose So here's what I did so Muhammad the 17 year old who disembowel her
Starting point is 01:19:41 He said I didn't do that. So what I tried to do was I wanted to put in a piece of cloth inside of there with a screwdriver because I need to get rid of our DNA evidence, you know, the cloth would soak up the DNA evidence, I would take it out. So I shoved the screwdriver inside her vagina, and then the cloth got left behind in there, so I was like, oh, damn it. So I put my hand in there to get the cloth, but instead I grabbed her intestines and pulled them out of her body. That's what he said. He's 17. And he's free now. I don't even want to know what kind of crimes he's committing.
Starting point is 01:20:15 I don't, I don't, I mean, I believe in rehabilitation of prisoners, but not this type. Okay, so the defense of all of these men, right? So six men are six gums are arrested. Now a lot of people are asking, what the fuck is wrong with you, you know? A lot of them were even getting beat up in prisons by other men, so they're just like, what the fuck, really dude?
Starting point is 01:20:36 Like what is wrong with you? And they all said, we don't wanna kill her or even hurt her, we just wanted to teach her a lesson because she was out late at night with someone who wasn't her boyfriend, her brother, or her wanted to teach her a lesson. Because she was out late at night with someone who wasn't her boyfriend, her brother, or her dad. What the... No, someone who wasn't her brother, husband, or dad. Like a boyfriend. So they just wanted to teach her a lesson, which is crazy because did you know most gang rapes
Starting point is 01:20:59 is a cultural thing where people want to teach women a lesson. That's the reason. So gang rapes happen because a lot of boys will get together and they want to teach women a lesson. That's the reason. So gang rapes happen because a lot of boys will get together and they want to either teach someone a lesson or it's like society pressure to be a man. Yeah, which I'm like, okay, for your fucking green pea brains, like what are you? Like what are you talking about? Are you a fucking worm? Like who thinks like that?
Starting point is 01:21:26 They also believe that she was alive, like when they disposed of her. They thought that because they had left both of them naked on the side of the road, they would be so shameful of what had happened that they wouldn't tell anyone about the rape. That they wouldn't report it to the police because they were left naked on the side of the road. Now here's what's crazy. Here's what's crazy. The logic stands.
Starting point is 01:21:44 At first I was like, okay, these fuckers are not only crazy, but they're stupid because naked on the side of the road. Now here's what's crazy. Here's what's crazy. The logic stands. At first I was like, okay, these fuckers are not only crazy, but they're stupid because like, if I, that was me, I would have reported to the, what are you talking about? Why would I not report it? Why would I not talk about it every single day until those fuckers get caught, right? But there's actually a culture of shame around rape in India. It's so bad to the point where to be raped was worse than to be dead in India. So there was a politician who even stated to the nation, rape victims should just die in the incident because if she lives, she will just be a walking corpse. Because nobody-
Starting point is 01:22:17 No, Sabah! A politician! Because nobody treats rape victims as survivors. They treat them as if they are just as dirty as the rapist, which is crazy. If not dirtier than the rapist in certain situations. Because it's like, well, you must have been like been doing some shit. Well, you must have been wearing some shit. Well, you must have asked for it. Well, you must have been this.
Starting point is 01:22:38 And the boy said, she just shouldn't have fought back then. So they find out that she was dead. Okay, they found out that she had passed. And the boy said, she shouldn't have fought back then. We would have just dropped her off after doing her. We wouldn't have hit her. All we did was hit the boy. So they were saying if she didn't fight back
Starting point is 01:22:55 during her assault, they wouldn't have beat her, like they did. And they would have just dropped her off after doing her. That was their direct quote, after doing her. That was their direct quote after doing her. So in-person. One of them immediately accepts guilt and he's like, I should be hanged.
Starting point is 01:23:13 And everyone's like, okay, cool, we agree. Like nobody asked. It's not really up to you. And then another one was badly assaulted by the other inmates and was kept in solitary confinement afterwards. And then Ram, the driver's brother who is kind of like the lead guy and all of us, he's the one that turned off the lights, he's the one that allegedly instigated everything, he was found hanging from a cell that he shared with three other inmates. The authority said it's inconclusive whether it was suicide or murder.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Let's talk about the Juvenile's case. So the Juvenile's case came first and his name is Muhammad Afraz and they tried to try him as an adult due to the brutal nature of the crime But it was rejected he was actually found to be 17 years old and like three months at the time that this took place So I'm just saying what try him as an adult. I don't understand so he was convicted of rape and murder under the juvenile justice act and given a maximum sentence of Three years in a reform house, not a prison, not a facility, a reform house. And the eight months he spent during the time before the trial was considered time served.
Starting point is 01:24:17 He was officially released December 20th of 2015. So he's free. He was given a new life, a new identity. He learned cooking and tailoring while he was in the reform house and the government granted him like $150 to initially support him in like getting his own sewing machine and shit. What is this fucking boarding school? What is this? So the parents were really mad. So Jody's mom was quoted with saying, if India law thinks it's right to marry a girl at the age of 12 or 13, then a 15 or 16 year old boy who rapes or harms a girl,
Starting point is 01:24:51 why can they not be punished? That is so good. That is so accurate. Because like, why? I don't understand. So then the adults trial came around. so Ram's dead now it's just four adults right? The defense was that the male friend was wholly responsible for the incident Jody's friend that was on the bus that they beat him till he was unconscious with the metal rod By the way, he survived he had some injuries, but he survived They said that it's all his fault. It's not us the rapist's fault or the murderers fault It's his fault because he failed his duty to protect the woman Yeah, fuck is I don't understand the logic and the fact that this is happening like I feel like there's not even a single gram of
Starting point is 01:25:36 Remorse yeah, there's not they they're and the thing is everything they say it sounds like they truly believe it Yeah, oh, it's her fault. It's his fault It's she shouldn't have done that she shouldn't's his fault. She shouldn't have done this, she shouldn't have five back, she shouldn't have done. Like there's not even a single grant of, yeah, I'm a shitty human. Like they, and they believe that. Or there's not even like a, like a little more shame,
Starting point is 01:25:57 like less shameful way. Like what if you could have been like, what we see this a lot, especially in that I keep thinking about the Chaudu's on case where they're like, we were drunk. Like that excuse. They don't even try that. It's not our fault.
Starting point is 01:26:10 It's their fault that they got raped. I'm like, what? You're not even going to, not saying that that excuse is something, but you're not even going to attempt something a little bit more. I don't know. Not so scummy. Like you're not even going to attempt. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 01:26:24 I was just so drunk and I blacked out and I did it. Like okay, that, nobody's gonna accept it. We still think you're scum of the earth and you deserve severe punishment, but it's a little more like, oh really, you're gonna do that one right now. But like this one is just like, what?
Starting point is 01:26:38 It's almost like everything you stay saying, just trying to make people more angry. Yeah, and they also claim that all of their confessions was coerced by the police department. And it's not actually them who did it, which is really odd. Because at one point, you're like, it's therefore for getting raped. We didn't rape them.
Starting point is 01:26:54 Like, what? What are you talking about? Let me tell you about the defense attorney for the rapist. This attorney is going to make you want to scratch your eyeballs out. If you guys watch India's daughter, you're going to want to punch her. I have never researched a case where I was so close to throwing my computer at a wall. And I am not that violent of a person. I'm like, I'm not one of those people who get so caught up in emotions and I like
Starting point is 01:27:16 throw my phone across the room. But this made me want to throw my entire computer out the window, like just throw the whole man's away, okay? He said, the moment that she came out of her house with a boy who was neither her husband, nor her brother or her dad, she left her morality and reputation as a doctor, as well as a little girl's morality still in the house. She came out a woman. Which is like people were like, what does that mean? So fine, she's a woman. So just like, women get raped.
Starting point is 01:27:48 Like, what are you saying? He said a female is just like a flower. It gives a good looking, very softness performance, pleasant. But on the other hand, a man is a thorn, strong, just tough enough. The flower always needs protection. If you put the flower in a gutter,
Starting point is 01:28:06 it will be spoiled. If you put the flower in a temple, it will be worshipped. There's like so many fucked up logic and thinking in that statement is unreal. Yeah, like I, yeah, I'm fucking real and he feel it sound like he feels like he's say something really Yeah, genius. Uh-huh. Oh, this is his words, right? The evil attorney. The girl was with some unknown boy who took her on a date in Our society we will never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6 30 or 7 30 or oh my god 8 30 in the evening with an unknown person. It was an unknown person. You idiot. The unknown people with the people on the bus What are you talking about? It is very important very necessary. She go outside then she should go outside with family members Like her uncle her father her mother grandfather grandmother. She should not go out in night hours with her boyfriend
Starting point is 01:29:01 Why why is he victim-shaming? I don't get it. Like what does that? I guess I was like the whole defense. That helps the case of the rapist. Yeah, so I think he was hoping that the jury would agree with him. Like they would also be fucking scum of the earth and they would be like, yeah, it's kind of a fault for going out. But like everyone in India was like, we want you to be hung to just saying. Yeah. Yeah. So he also said you are talking about friends with men and women. Sorry. That doesn't have any place in our society. A woman means I immediately put sex in his eyes. We have the best culture. In our culture, there is no place for a woman. He literally said that. He literally, and I was like, sir, do you
Starting point is 01:29:45 know what the fuck you're saying? Or is this like a language barrier? Because like if you knew what the fuck you're saying, then you sound like the dumbest person. And like, he said it with this full chest. People don't agree. No. I mean, okay, there are scum of the earth who do agree. But like, I would say majority of people anywhere in the world, India are not don't agree and they think he's scum. But like it's frightening that there are, you know, a small select group of men who are like, yeah. So March 2014, they were found,
Starting point is 01:30:15 each one of them found guilty of rape murder, unnatural offenses, destruction of evidence, and they were all sentenced to death via hanging. So they all appealed with the Supreme Court. In 2017, the Supreme Court rejected the appeal and they said that they committed a barbaric crime that had shaken society's conscience. And then finally, in January of 2020,
Starting point is 01:30:36 all of them sent a mercy plea to the president of India and said, please, don't let them hang us. Oh yeah, in the Indian law, at that point, they were just like, now you're gonna get hanged. So the president rejected it. So in the in law, started making some changes. So rape became a capital offense, which meant that you could definitely die if you rape someone.
Starting point is 01:30:59 And then in Indian politician, his name is Malayan, seen Yadav, I think it's important to note this. He said, boys will be boys, boys will commit mistakes. And he got roasted after he said that shit. He got lit aflame by international politicians. A lot of politicians, including a South Korean politician, came out and said, we need to drop the word, or the phrasing, boys will be boys. Any crime against
Starting point is 01:31:26 a woman is not tolerated. Like, what is boys will be boys? Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. The Oatsacity. And then, um, the UN Women's Division, they called on the government of India and Delhi to do everything in their power to take up radical reforms insure justice and reach out with the robust public services to make women's lives more safe and secure and the US State Department So they have like these awards and they gave the international woman of courage awards to Jody post humously. I always say that word wrong. So after death now at this time, female tourism in Delhi or across India had fallen by like 35%.
Starting point is 01:32:10 The foreign office of the United Kingdom even modified its travel advice and told women not to travel alone to India. And in 2014, the finance minister of India said, OK, I get what he was saying, but the phrasing, wow, really bad. What department? The finance minister said, one small incident of rape and deli, one small incident of rape and deli, advertised to the world is enough to cost us billions of dollars in terms of
Starting point is 01:32:41 lowering tourism. Okay, like I understand what you're saying. It's like kind of shitty when like a country internationally is known just for like one shitty thing that happened. But it's also like, you know, a lot of people were saying it's not just one time. It's a lot of times, but also maybe focus on fixing it instead of being one small incident of rape. You're talking about woman's lives.
Starting point is 01:33:05 Getting raped versus, you know, tours and money. Like, your priority is a little messed up here. You know, focus on fixing the country. It's like two birds with one stone. Fix that tourism will be fixed. You know, like people will be happier. Women will be scared. So what is he saying?
Starting point is 01:33:22 He's saying what? He was just saying like, it's just one small incident of rape, and now internationally, we're just known as like this crazy rape country, essentially, which I do know a lot of people were upset about because the way that I see it is, again, why I kept was trying to be a little bit cautious in this video, is a lot of the times some Americans specifically, we love doing this shit.
Starting point is 01:33:44 We love having the same problems in our own country, but we ignore the shit out of it, and then act like we're the only first world country out there, and then other countries do it, and we're like, oh my god. Culture difference is, oh my god. But in reality, one in three women are in severe danger in America. I believe close to 18 million women in America have been raped. So it's just kind of like, I don't know why we act like, we're like, oh my god, come here, we're safe.
Starting point is 01:34:10 Like, no. So that's, I think that's where their anger was coming from, which I agree with, but not really, because like one small incident of rape, like I'm sorry, that quote is just stressing me out right now, like I can't get over it, like really? What? So at this point, they also passed the juvenile justice
Starting point is 01:34:26 bill saying that anyone above 16 years old will now be treated as an adult in the court of law with such brutal crimes, especially rape. And when they told the rapist, before they were hanged, they told the rapist about how the death penalty will take place, you know, if people are caught guilty of raping people, and the bus driver, the scum of the earth rapist said, the death penalty will just make it worse for the girls because
Starting point is 01:34:51 they won't leave her like we did, they'll just kill her now. So before the death penalty and capital punishment, we would just say, leave her, she won't tell anyone because she's ashamed. Now, they'll just kill the girl. Death. That's what he said. He's getting so mad. And I wish I was mad.
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Starting point is 01:35:17 What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
Starting point is 01:35:24 What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Okay, so March 20th, 2020. So this year a couple months ago, they were all executed by hanging. They refused their last meal They refused new clothes prior to the exact execution. They were blindfolded and Three of them didn't resist. One of them, the nay. He had a breakdown and was like pleading with the guards to not hang in but they were like nah So they hung them and they were all declared dead after 30 minutes Other than the juvenile all of them are dead. The adults are all dead. How's the juvenile? He's free.
Starting point is 01:35:50 Last I could find of him, he was working as like a cook somewhere with like a new identity, very scary. And you would think that, okay, well this is a landmark case. This is the case that set the whole world on fire. But then on the two-year anniversary of Jody's case, December of 2014, an Uber driver raped a woman in the car in India. And it was a pretty brutal rape. And what the parents of Jody had to say is nothing in India has changed since December 16th of 2012. All promises and statements made by our leaders and ministers have turned out to be shallow.
Starting point is 01:36:27 Our suffering just gives them a moment in the limelight. The parents also stated, whenever there's a crime, the girl is blamed. She should not go out, she shouldn't roam around so late or wear those clothes. It's the boys who should be accused and asked why they do this. They shouldn't do this. And so with the Indian penal code saying that the victim's name can be withheld, right, the dad said to the British press, I want the world to know her name. My daughter didn't do anything wrong. She died while protecting herself. I'm proud of her. Revealing her name will give courage
Starting point is 01:37:00 to other women who have survived these attacks. They will find strength from my daughter. So Jody's friend, they asked if they wanted to make a statement and one of our friends said, you know, the law is going to punish these rapists and they must do it or else the rapists will become fearless. But if one monster is removed, does society change? No. The people of this society and their mindset need to change.
Starting point is 01:37:26 So some ending words from her parents. Our daughter's name is Jody. We have no problem in revealing her name. In fact, we are happy to reveal it. She has become a symbol. In death, she has lit such a torch that not only this country, but the whole world got lit up. But at the same time she posed a question, what is the meaning of a woman and how is she looked upon society today? And what's crazy is globally, one in three women are beaten, forced into sex or abused, one in three women globally. So it's not just India's problem, it's kind of everywhere. It's everyone's problem.
Starting point is 01:38:06 So that is the story of Jody, India's daughter and Mary even said. They call her India's daughter. This one was fucked up. I'm like having a rush of emotions at the end. I see why you say this is more worse than some of these serial killers. I know, like I hate, I don't want to be someone who categorizes crimes.
Starting point is 01:38:30 I think it's really toxic to be like, let's list the serial killers in terms of how crazy they are. But it's so much worse. Because it's, yeah, and you know, serial killer, you look at it, it's individuals. This does sound like a big societal issue. It's just so big, It's just so sad.
Starting point is 01:38:47 It's like a it's not one person. It's like a mindset of a lot of people. Yeah. And these people are everywhere and these people are at your grocery store. They're literally everywhere and that is why it is so hard to be a woman sometimes. I'm a gold cry and eat my fucking chocolate cake. Okay? I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast episode. It was so dark. I'm sorry. I just felt like I needed to get out there.
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