Rotten Mango - #332: What Really Happened On Jeffrey Epstein’s Private Island? Secret Sex Parties & Rituals of Ultra Rich

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

Be like Barbie, Nina thought. She pushed her chest out and applied bubblegum lip gloss as she arrived at the seaside mansion for the first time. The last thing she wanted was to look like a child. But... to Jeffrey Epstein, that was absolutely what he wanted. In fact, quite possibly the only thing he desired at all. What do rich men desire when they know they can buy almost everything in the world? They want what they can’t have. For Epstein that was young girls, illegally young girls, inexperienced young girls—his desires weren’t uncommon by any means either. Epstein was a multi millionaire rubbing shoulders with princes, socialites, tycoons, magnates, all over the world who had exactly the same desires. How far would the rich go to get something they couldn’t buy? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:31 Barabin Barabin If you want to live near the billionaires in Florida, you move to Palm Beach. The median home price there is $4 million and most of these homes, they sit empty for three seasons out of the year. These are like the second, third, fourth, fifth family homes for the ultra-wealthy. They're not even primary residences. So even from an early age in this type of area, it is utterly clear. Who's got it and who doesn't have it?
Starting point is 00:00:59 They say that there's two types of high schoolers in Palm Beach, the ones that played with American Girl dolls and then the ones that played with Barbies. American Girl Dolls, if you don't know, they look just like a regular doll. You would not even know that it's an American Girl doll. They're iconic for having big doll heads and a little bit more on the shorter leg side compared to Barbies, but they can easily cost upwards of $100 for a singular doll. A single doll. I don't even think it talks or anything, it's just a doll. So it's a high-end doll.
Starting point is 00:01:27 Exactly, Barbies, you can find for less than $10. Nina went to a school where even Barbies, they were passed down. Most families at her school couldn't even afford more than one Barbie. Most of the students at Nina's school, they're on a discounted or free lunch program that's funded by the government.
Starting point is 00:01:46 So they don't see that side of Palm Beach. They get a different side of Palm Beach. They don't have American Girl Doll Money. And 14 year old Nina was one of the kids that didn't have it. I mean, at least for now. So her plans, she's gonna stay out of drama in school. That's her number one goal.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Work a part-time job, make money, graduate with good grades, go to college, work hard, live near the water. That's the ultimate plan. She doesn't even have to live next to the billionaires, maybe the millionaires. But sometimes when you avoid something too much, it comes in and it finds you. Nina finds herself sitting in her principal's office with her hair all frizzy, her eyes are red and the principal is screaming questions at her and the girl next to her who looks like she's in just as bad shape if not worse and the principal is screaming
Starting point is 00:02:28 what the hell are you guys thinking? We have strict rules against fighting. No physical violence is ever allowed on campus. Nina's looking at the girl next to her. She's rolling her eyes and the two girls they had fought over Nina's boyfriend. I mean this has been going on for weeks now. They were starting rumors about each other, shit talking, trying to flirt with the boyfriend in front of each other, and today was just kind of a particularly bad day. They bumped into each other in the hallway,
Starting point is 00:02:54 called each other all sorts of names like whore, skank. One student in the hallway screamed cat fight and everybody started joining in and now both the girls' parents are called to the school and one of the girls has a bloody nose. Which, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Things happen, it's high school. But the principal decides to go through both of their backpacks and in Nina's wallet they find $300. Nina goes to a school where most students are on a discounted lunch or free lunch program. Where did she get $300? This is not a high school near the water where kids are given that allowance for the weekend. This is a school with a C rating. So the principal straight up asks Nina, where did you get this money?
Starting point is 00:03:40 Nina doesn't respond. She keeps her head down. Nina was way too young to be stripping, that was clear. Besides, the $300 they were in crisp $20 bills, not crumpled up lotion covered ones or fives. Drugs? And she's 14? 14. Maybe it's drugs? Nina's parents are like, well, it's definitely not us.
Starting point is 00:04:01 She didn't get it from us. We didn't give her $300. We don't have $300 to give So Nina's parents get to the school and they keep begging her to just tell the truth. Where did you get this money? It's okay You're not gonna be in trouble they wait and they wait for Nina to respond She's crying and the words are starting to come out of her mouth And it's coming out faster than she can even think and they're all kind of jumbling together I gave this old guy a massage and he paid me for it. It was weird and scary. He was really old. He had
Starting point is 00:04:26 this white hair but he was really fit like some sort of jog and he was fully naked and I saw his wee wee and everything and then he just kept asking me to get naked and I told him no and then he wanted me to get on top of him and massage him and he just kept rubbing his wee wee on me. Everyone is like who? Because Nina's 14. They heard middle-aged man naked. Wee-wee, who are we talking about? Who did this to you? Who gave you the money? His name is Jeffrey Epstein.
Starting point is 00:05:20 We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support RAIN, the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. They've created and operated the National Essay Hotline and all resources will be linked in the show notes as well as the description. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team of dedicated researchers and translators. We had, I mean, we didn't have translators on this case,
Starting point is 00:05:40 but we had like 10 people working on this in tandem. It was a very, very intense effort. We would also like to thank you guys for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates of these causes. Now, as always, full show notes are available at rottenmanglepodcast.com, but a big thank you to James Patterson, John Connolly, and Tim Malloy, the co-authors of Filthy Rich. That sounds like I know them, I don't. This book was a big source for the information that I was researching for this case. We would also like to say thank you to Vicky Ward for continuing to spearhead coverage on this ongoing development of all the court docs coming out.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Victims' names, identifying information, and dialogue have been all changed for privacy. Due to the ongoing lawsuits for legal and professional reasons, we will be using the word allegedly frequently. Now even if authorities or the general public believe something is a fact, for the reason that there are ongoing legal disputes, we will be saying allegedly. However, our intention is not to cast down on victims' testimonies. In fact, some victims have bravely given first-hand public accounts that can be found online if you would like to read the victims' testimonies. In fact, some victims have bravely given first-hand public accounts that can be found online if you would like to read the victim's testimonies from themselves. Any and all theories mentioned in this entire episode are purely my speculation, netizen
Starting point is 00:06:55 speculation, and things gathered from the internet. Now with that being said, I also would like to make it very clear that all the details of today's episode can be found online. We are not investigative journalists and we have not gone directly to the victims or the sources. And if you ever feel in any episode that something was miscommunicated, misrepresented, or have any additional information you'd like us to know,
Starting point is 00:07:16 please leave it down in the comments. With that being said, let's get started. The Metropolitan Correctional Center has a bit of a problem. I mean, the name sounds neutral, almost minus the correctional part, but the nickname for the building is Guantanamo of New York, federal prison located on the island of Manhattan. But that's not the problem.
Starting point is 00:07:38 The bad marketing of being the Guantanamo of New York doesn't even face them. They don't care. It was the plumbing that was the issue. There was always a toilet in this prison that's overflowing with urine and fecal matter, sometimes straight into the prisoner's cells. It was never cleaned up properly because no one wants to clean up a prisoner's cell like that, so the entire building is just stinky. It's infested with rats and cockroaches. It's dark, it's humid all the time and the smell makes your eyes water. Prisoners would show up to court.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Your honor, a rat ate my paperwork. They weren't even lying. The attorneys would be like, no, really, there is a rat problem and the rats are eating our client's paperwork from that prison. And in the south wing of this correctional facility, the setup was two inmates per cell monitored every 30 minutes by two guards who do rounds. These inmates get to shower once every two to three days.
Starting point is 00:08:32 They have a singular hour of recreation time per day. That's it. And it's not like general population in prison where it's probably, I would say south unit is more similar to maximum security. In the south unit, there's only eight cells per tier and six separate tiers for the unit. Now the inmates in South unit, they're heavily watched, but you can just never be too safe. You can never be too sure in prison. August 10th, 2019, there was a problem in that prison. Inmate 76318054 refused to eat breakfast. At around 6am, two guards, Noel and Thomas, they're going down the cold hallway pushing breakfast into the cells.
Starting point is 00:09:13 So they'd have this little dim sum looking card and they'd push the breakfast in and then go on to the next cell and the two guards they stop at this one particular cell where the inmate is refusing to come to the door and grab their meal. Hey, come to the door! Come to the door! Hello! No response. No movement. The guards they look at each other and they decide, okay we got to go in. They unlock the cell door, they rush in and they see inmate 76318054 suspended from the ceiling. Thomas starts lifting the inmate from under his054 suspended from the ceiling. Thomas starts lifting the inmate from under his arms, dragging him down to the corner of his cell.
Starting point is 00:09:50 He lays him on the ground, starts performing CPR. He's like, breathe, breathe, you gotta come on, we're gonna be in so much trouble. Noel stayed near the door about one foot away from the cell and activated the medical emergency alarm. The radio start calling out throughout the entire prison, body alarm on South, body alarm on South. Jeffrey Epstein was pronounced dead at 7.36 a.m.,
Starting point is 00:10:13 August 10th, 2019, after spending 36 days in prison. The official answer is that Jeffrey Epstein's sex offender with dozens of allegations of child sex trafficking against him could not handle the sound of the broken toilets and his impending future as a prison inmate, so he self exited. But people online, they have different theories. One theory is that someone powerful on his so-called list of important industry and world leaders that he kept close by, they wanted him to die with their secrets.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Another theory explores the idea that that's not Jeffrey Epstein at all. The man's almost worth a billion dollars. If he wanted to fake his death in prison, he could fake his death in prison. There are a lot of theories surrounding the very suspicious death of Jeffrey Epstein and a lot of questions. Who would want him dead? How would they even kill him if he's in prison? Was he running a trafficking ring for the wealthy?
Starting point is 00:11:09 Were the ultra-wealthy sacrificing children in rituals? And for some reason, all roads lead back to Epstein's private island. The ones that locals call pedophile island. People always joke about living in broom closets in New York City. I mean, how you can sit in your bed and then wash your dishes in the kitchen sink
Starting point is 00:11:30 without getting up from your bed. That's like the running joke. But Jeffrey Epstein didn't live like that. Not in the Upper East Side. In the Upper East Side, there is a nine floor townhouse that's 51,000 square feet. And at the time, it was valued to be over 51 million dollars.
Starting point is 00:11:48 51,000 square feet? It was one of the largest private residences in all of New York City. The minute that you walk past the 15 foot oak door, you are in fantasy land. You're not in New York City anymore. You're not in Manhattan. The entryway had these frames that were lined up on the wall just hanging. Each one was an eyeball individually framed. What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:12:12 Like actual eyeballs? I believe they were synthetic. Yeah. Each one imported from England eyeballs. Or I don't know if there were trims. Wait, so that's artwork. Yeah. As artwork, just eyeballs displayed.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And you know how people say rich people are so eclectic. This is probably the embodiment of that. If you keep trudging forward in this massive Manhattan mansion, if you go a few steps, you stop, you look up, there's a giant sculpture in front of you, probably two, three times your size of a naked African warrior.
Starting point is 00:12:45 It's a choice. Welcome to Jeffrey Epstein's world. And it said that he was a very particular man. It said that his morning was absolutely to the team meticulously organized and very routine. Every single day this was his morning routine. He would wake up exactly 6 a.m. He would spend 25 minutes in utter silence. All the house staff assistants, they all hold their breath.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Shh silence until approximately six 25 a.m. Which is- Wait, what is he doing in that 25 minutes? Pondering his life in silence, meditating. And then he slowly consumes his breakfast, a guava, a banana, a muesli, which is basically just a fancy oatmeal. Then he calmly gets up and walks a third of a mile, precisely, 1,760 feet or 666 steps, in his monogram $700 handcrafted slippers from Stubbs and Wuton.
Starting point is 00:13:39 When he's done, he walks back home to his castle-like mansion in the middle of Manhattan, and he's got these little brass letters at the top of his door and it reads J.E. He's got a thing for buying very expensive things and then making sure that everybody knows that he's the one that owns it Sometimes he'll take these contemplative morning walks with two women two very young beautiful woman Maybe 19 years old the man's in his 50s. They'll be walking behind him a few paces back. If he stops to take a big old breath of air, they'll pause and just stand behind him.
Starting point is 00:14:15 They never walk alongside him. It's always behind him. It's like they're waiting for him to hold out his palm and they'll hand him a eucalyptus scented towel or feed him grapes if he opens his mouth during his walk. That's the energy. Then he comes back home to one of the largest private residences in all of Manhattan, takes a shower, he doesn't drink any alcohol throughout the day, he doesn't smoke, he cares about every little thing that his body consumes and how sharp his mind is the entire day. He sits down at his desk, which allegedly J.P. Morgan himself used to own and gets to
Starting point is 00:14:46 work. Whatever work is for Jeffrey Epstein, though, nobody really knew what this man did for a living. What kind of work? But that particular day in New York, he had a very interesting meeting with someone, a journalist named Vicky Ward. She was scheduled to come over and talk to him about a profile that she was doing on him for Vanity Fair. He arranged for her to be sat down in the leather room.
Starting point is 00:15:10 It's his tea room. The walls are lined with this leathery fabric. The chairs are leopard printed, and he's got all these weird art. Yeah, there's like a woman that's, I believe she's naked, touching a lion's skin. He's got very fascinating art choices. that's I believe she's naked, touching a lion's skin. He's got very fascinating art choices.
Starting point is 00:15:27 And he wants to have afternoon tea with the journalist. The established, the very experienced Vicky Ward, who has assigned this piece on him. Now, news had broken that there was a very, very wealthy mysterious man who had taken a private jet ride to Africa with Bill Clinton. So everyone's like of course we want to know who's on the plane with Bill Clinton why is this man on the plane with Bill Clinton? Vicky was sent out here supposedly to find
Starting point is 00:15:55 out everything that she could about this mysterious wealthy man for an alleged reported billionaire who only hangs out with other fellow billionaires, presidents and powerful families, dynasties. Nobody knows anything about this guy. He's not at Gallas. He's not at the Grand Prix or Art Basel. Like nowhere. He's nowhere where rich people usually congregate. He doesn't even like eating in restaurants. He says eating in restaurants is like eating on a subway. Whether that means it's too cheap, too public, too vulnerable, or all of the above, it's very unclear. Epstein and Vicki Ward sit together in the leather room and these man servants wearing white gloves
Starting point is 00:16:33 gently place finger sandwiches and cups of Earl Grey tea on the table. Vicki is visibly pregnant with twins at the time of this tea party that she's investigating Epstein and she's heard all these stories about this man, of him being a ladies man, all the women in New York are throwing themselves
Starting point is 00:16:49 at billionaire Epstein, a true gentleman. One of the last good ones, how he's so smart beyond people's imaginations. He's the type of smart man that's not just good at business, but he can hold a conversation with Stephen Hawking. She thought it was an interesting description for a man who sat there and ate every single piece of finger food that was there for the both of them.
Starting point is 00:17:09 They sit down, he has his man servants, serve them finger food, he eats every single piece. It's stated that on his office desk right next door to the leather room, Jeffrey Epstein kept a copy of The Misfortunes of Virtue, which is a book. Now it's written by the same guy who wrote 120 Days of Sodom that we've talked about. It's a book about a literal 12-year-old who gets essayed and is held captive in a monastery
Starting point is 00:17:37 at one point and is abused by groups of sadistic monks. It's very, very strange read. I'm sure there are groups of people out there that can argue that there is a lot of philosophical meaning behind books like these and maybe I am just not able to grasp such intense big concepts but it's seemingly dark for no reason. I read a good chunk of it to get a grasp on what it was about and I have many regrets. It's just the story of a girl getting essayed over and over and over again and it's just, I mean it just feels like, it feels like torture explicit material. There's no
Starting point is 00:18:13 purpose other than to get off on the torture I guess. I don't know, I mean these monks, they were tying her up suspending her from the ceiling stabbing knives into her arms and then catching her blood in buckets. For pleasure. It's a lot. There's a quote from the book that reads, A woman can have no other relationship with her husband than that of a slave and her master. She certainly has no right to pretend to have any higher status than that. So that's the book that the journalist noticed.
Starting point is 00:18:42 It's interesting because this was the only book that was out in view for the journalist when she walked in that house. There were no other books left out, so it's not like, oh, she saw Jeffrey Epstein's massive extensive collection of books, literature, and this is a book that she picked out to prove a point. He left it out on his desk,
Starting point is 00:19:00 and that was the only book she saw. Interesting. Interesting, very interesting. Jeffrey Epstein also had a stuffed dog, a stuffed black poodle, dead and stuffed. On top of his Steinway grand piano that likely cost over $100,000. Oh, so it's like a real dog that passed away.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Yeah, and then stuffed. I mean, who is this man? He owned the largest private residence in Manhattan. He owned an $18 million ranch in New Mexico that he called Zorro. It was 33,000 square feet. He owns a mansion in Palm Beach, an upscale condo in Paris, a house in Ohio.
Starting point is 00:19:39 He owns a helicopter, a total of five planes, including a Gulf Stream, a Boeing 727, which has a trading room apparently. This is where President Clinton flew to Africa in. Two Escalade 6 Suburbans, two Ford F-150s, two Harley Davidson bikes, a Land Rover, a Hummer, a 34 foot boat, a 35 foot power boat. I mean Epstein was known for throwing these crazy private parties where already famous, influential, powerful people would be in attendance and they would shake hands with someone in Epstein's known for throwing these crazy private parties where already famous influential powerful people would be in attendance and they would shake hands with someone in Epstein's New York City townhouse.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Oh, I'm Andy. Nice to meet you. Andy is Prince Andrew from the British Royal Family. So everyone's like, how? How does Epstein know Andy? I mean, Jeffrey Epstein seemed fake, like a caricature of a terrifying but weird billionaire. It's stated that Epstein would be seen around town going to movie theaters. He would take three to four girls with him each time and they would take turns massaging him.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Not just his shoulders, but like everywhere. His arms, back, legs, just in the middle of the theater, in the middle of dinner, wherever. According to one source, Epstein would brag about going into his insane asylums because he quote, like to fuck crazy woman. We don't know if this is true, but he bragged about it. So needless to say it was going to be a very interesting meeting between the two, the journalist and the supposed billionaire. Previously, one reporter received three threats from Epstein while they were working on a piece on him. The message being, I better like the piece and if I don't, things are
Starting point is 00:21:09 going to happen to you. A close friend of Jeffrey Epstein once said, Jeffrey has the unusual quality of knowing when he's winning, whether it's in conversations or negotiations, he always stands back and lets the other person determine the style and manner of the conversation or the negotiation, and then he responds in their style. Jeffrey sees it as chivalrous. He doesn't pick a fight, but if there is a fight, he's gonna let you choose your weapon. Jeffrey Epstein wants to play chess with journalist Vicki Ward, not figuratively, literally. You be white.
Starting point is 00:21:43 You get the first move. It's like he's letting her pick her weapon. While playing, he probably had plans to talk about his love for science and how he's so close with Stephen Hawking. He's friends with Nobel Prize winners, creators of virtual reality, NASA scientists, those are his closest buddies. He would like to talk about how he's a philanthropist that's donated millions to Ivy League institutions to study the mysteries of our brains, how he believed in transhumanism, the science of
Starting point is 00:22:11 improving the human population through technologies like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. Side note, that sounds really fancy, it's not. Critics believe it's just modern day eugenics, which is controlled breeding of a population or species to modify their traits and strengths. Epstein, behind closed doors, would talk about how he wanted to bring in shipments of women basically to his New Mexico ranch, impregnate them with his seamen, and force them to have his babies. Well, I think the way that he phrased it would be that they would be more than happy
Starting point is 00:22:39 too, because he thinks that his gene pool is very strong. In a session at Harvard, Epstein said, he was hypercritical of efforts that were aimed at reducing starvation and providing health care to the less fortunate, because he believes that that would just lead to overpopulation. He's basically saying, let them starve to death. He probably didn't want to talk about all that with Vicki though, okay? It would be a lot more fun to talk about how former President Bill Clinton's
Starting point is 00:23:03 spokesperson had said about him, "...Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and in-depth knowledge of 21st century science." Or about how former President Donald Trump stated about him, "...I've known Jeff for about 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be around. That sounds like the type of thing Jeffrey Epstein would wanna focus on.
Starting point is 00:23:28 And I know that hindsight is 20-20, but if I were there, I would just wanna know about what really goes on on his secret private island? Little Saint James, that's Epstein's Island, but he likes to call it Little Saint Jeff's, but the locals all call it Petifal Island. It's a 70-acre island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, which is south of Florida. It's about a three-hour plane ride from Palm Beach, Florida, if you have a private jet,
Starting point is 00:23:56 because I don't think that there's any direct nonstop flights from Palm Beach to that area. And it makes Jeffrey Ebstin one of the very, very small group of incredibly wealthy people that own private islands, which buying a private island is kind of a headache. There's a professional agency called Private Island Inc. that specializes exclusively in selling and renting out private islands around the world. But it's not even just buying the island itself that's expensive. If the island has no wastewater treatment systems, working power lines, reliable source of fresh water, if there are no buildings on the island or if you are renovating said buildings, you can estimate to spend at least two times the cost of that building that if
Starting point is 00:24:38 you were to build the same structure on mainland. And that's if your island is easily accessible. Some private islands you have to build a dock yourself or even a runway for a private jet or a helipad. These are not affordable things. To put it into perspective, Richard Branson, founder of Virgin Airlines, spent about a million dollars, calculated for inflation on a private island, and then he spent over ten million dollars so far to make it up to his standards.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And actually a place that he wants to visit. The Red Bull owner bought a private island in Fiji for $10 million, and then he had to invest $30 million to make it more habitable. Like you have to have an entire team of staff that reside there just to make sure that it's ready for the very few days out of the year that you're actually there. They're going to be in charge of making sure the pantries are stocked because guess what?
Starting point is 00:25:31 You can't just go grab milk if you're on a private island. There's no grocery store. Some islands even have a doctor live there full time, even if the owner only comes every one to two, one to two days a year. Because on a private island, there are no hospitals. In case of an emergency, you're gonna want a doctor nearby. And as with any property ownership, there's still a ton of maintenance costs that are gonna add up. Epstein bought Little St. James for about $15 million, which is calculated for inflation. He immediately went in there and
Starting point is 00:26:02 started scrubbing the place. I mean, he's getting rid of all the native vegetation, started importing in 40 foot tall palm trees, which these are tall, matured palm trees. They can cost upwards of $5,000 per tree. And that's not including import and planting. That's per tree. He bought a ton of these palm trees. And at the time, the island already had infrastructure. There was this main house. Now at the time, the island already had infrastructure. There was this main house. Now, side note, the main house would reportedly be renovated by the same designer that did all the Amman resorts, like the ones that all the celebrities go to that's like $5,000 a night. So we can imagine quite a bit of money was poured into the renovation. By 2019, the island's value was listed to be around $64 million.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Besides the main house, the island has three guest cottages, a caretaker and a ground keeper's cottage, a private water filtration system utility building, a helipad, a dock, multiple swimming pools, tennis court, an enclosed lagoon, golf carts to take guests from place to place, a staff of 70 to cater to every guest's needs. You can tell who's staff, because they're forced to wear black or white polo shirts and they're told to stay out of everybody's view when they're working, like don't be seen.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Work hidden. But the most interesting building is a square box building on the isolated part of the island. It's the weirdest building I've seen, okay? Imagine a square, but it's blue and white stripes. It's got a gold dome at the top with two gold statues of what looks like, almost like eagles or some sort of phoenix sitting there.
Starting point is 00:27:36 It looks like a temple. And that's what Epstein calls it, his temple. It was on the most isolated part of the island. There are rumors circulating that he conducted sacrifices in there. That's where the children were taken for essay or to be killed. It stated that it was Epstein's private study and music room. One contractor said, actually guys, it's not a weird sacrificial room. It's just a gym. But a lot of netizens don't agree. They theorize that this is
Starting point is 00:28:02 either a sacrificial spot where rituals were performed, some sort of underground lair, or even an altar for an Egyptian deity. Because next to that temple structure is this enormous sundial. It's probably the size of multiple swimming pools. It's a giant circle. And obviously, it only adds to the theory that people are being sacrificed on this island. Now, one thing that we do know is that we don't know much about this island other than that. It is incredibly private. I mean there's only one island near Petto Island, Little St. Jeff's, whatever you want to call it, but it's mainly empty. Nobody really lives there. Epstein would later buy that island too for 22 and a half million dollars, which means this is either a man who really values privacy or he really does not want
Starting point is 00:28:47 anyone to know what he's doing on his island. I think it's more of the latter because like some sort of bond villain, Epstein purchased a ton of sea urchins. You know what sea urchins are, right? They make uni. They look like black balls with these incredibly sharp spikes all around them. He bought a bunch of these.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Scattered them throughout the edges of the island. It would be physically painful for people to get to his island or leave his island without him knowing about it and helping facilitate it. Allegedly. But that's just the island. That still doesn't tell us what the hell happened on the island. Especially when it's been reported and debated about how many powerful figures have been to that island. Names like Stephen Hawking, Leslie Wexner, owner of Victoria
Starting point is 00:29:29 Secret and Limited Brands, Naomi Campbell, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, their names have all been brought up and debated countless times of whether or not they have gone to the island. If they all went to the island, what are they all doing there? What do these people even have in common other than they're rich and powerful? We are in the process of starting a new business, which I'm very nervous about, but I have a lot of hopefully incredible ideas that you guys will enjoy. But sometimes I go and I read these books on business and they're always like, did you know about 90% of startups fail or one of 10 new businesses
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Starting point is 00:33:49 visit betterhelp.com slash rotten today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash rotten. Epstein would host these scientific conventions on the island. One of them was called Mindshift, and they would just discuss neuroscience, artificial intelligence. Another private island convention was called Confronting Gravity. He was going to bring in 20 of the top physicists from around the globe, including three Nobel Prize winners winners and they would, through the conference, confront gravity and explore fundamental questions in physics.
Starting point is 00:34:29 They wanted to determine what consensus, if any, is there for defining gravity. What? Either I am too dumb or maybe too smart because I thought gravity was not a debatable thing Epstein said about the conference there is no agenda except fun and physics That's fun with a capital F Side note Stephen Hawking does show up a lot in newly released court documents that we're gonna go in more in-depth on in the next episode On Sunday, but it seems like Epstein was obsessed with Stephen Hawking He loved everything Stephen Hawking stood for. The fact that Hawking theorized that the universe
Starting point is 00:35:07 would stop expanding and collapsing, at which point time itself would start running backwards, he loved that. He loved it so much that Epstein gave Stephen Hawking the best gift of all, a submarine that was modified to fit Stephen Hawking's wheelchair, which was the first time Stephen Hawking was able to go underwater.
Starting point is 00:35:31 James Patterson states it was one of the most romantic, generous gestures that Jeffrey Epstein has ever made. Stephen Hawking would be in the release court documents where a witness stated Stephen Hawking allegedly requested and stated that he wanted to watch people of short stature solve complex math problems on a very tall whiteboard that they could not reach. Okay, what else was going on in that island? Are we really supposed to believe that they spent all their money to find one of the most secluded islands that money can buy so that they can debate the concept of gravity and pin up whiteboards a little too high on the wall, I don't think so. There was no runway on that island.
Starting point is 00:36:10 It was too small for a private plane to land. So Epstein would have to land his private plane at a bigger airport, his Gulfstream on St. Thomas, then take his helicopter to his private island. Some locals on the main island would whisper that Epstein's private jet should actually be called the Lolita Express. Every time that they landed to go to Epstein's private island, they said that Epstein was just surrounded by children, female children.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Another local stated, there would be girls that look like they are maybe in high school. They looked very young and they were always wearing college sweatshirts. It seemed like they were wearing it as camouflage. To be like, I'm in college, I just look young, but they're definitely not college age. They're definitely not old enough. So they're not even college, but they're trying to be- Yes. Pretend they're in college. Yes. Wow. Another local said, I compare him to a serial killer in broad daylight. I mean, I just think
Starting point is 00:37:04 he has the face of evil. And it's like he was flaunting it, like hanging out with all these underage girls just so blatantly. Other locals stated, the young girls look like they stepped out of an underwear catalog. They would walk around with very few clothes on
Starting point is 00:37:17 or lounge by the pool with nothing on. And it's like, they were like that the most of their time. And I was concerned because of their ages. And a few of them looked very young, and I couldn't help but wonder, do their mothers know where they are? It has been alleged by a victim that the island was just step one of a web of sex trafficking
Starting point is 00:37:34 for wealthy clients. It wasn't just the island. Girls were sent to London, Paris, Spain, everywhere around the world, and on that island, girls were forced into sexual acts by Jeffrey Epstein and his right hand woman, Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, if you guys have ever heard of Epstein's case at all, you've heard of
Starting point is 00:37:49 Ghislaine Maxwell. I mean, the two go together, like they did everything together. This episode is focused mainly on Jeffrey Epstein. The very next episode that we're going to be uploading on Sunday is going to be focused on Ghislaine Maxwell and how she was basically called his madame of this whole alleged trafficking ring because she actually was very involved and very allegedly abusive with many victims. She is said to be a ruthless woman. The victims stated they were forced to have intimate relations not just with Epstein but allegedly with other wealthy men from all different industries.
Starting point is 00:38:24 It's been stated that some of these victims were just as young as 12 years old. Allegedly Epstein would try and get the girls to be his little spies. He wanted intel and blackmail, not just on the girls, but on the other wealthy men that they were forced to sleep with. It's rumored that every inch of that island was being watched. There were cameras in Cabanas in the buildings, out on the patios. It was said that you weren't safe, not even in the restrooms. There were cameras in the restrooms and if you try to escape, which we're going to cover in the next episode, someone tries to escape, the island. Very, very bad things happen to you. There are a lot of theories about
Starting point is 00:39:00 this island. Satanic rituals, sacrifices, underground tunnels, and all of these theories will be fully explored in part one and part two. But just remember, this is the tip of the iceberg. A close friend of Epstein told Vicky Ward, the journalist, that honestly tried to warn everybody about Epstein from the get-go. They told her, you think you know Epstein, and then you peel another ring off the onion skin, and then there's something else extraordinary underneath. He never reveals his hand. He's a classic iceberg. What you see is not what you get.
Starting point is 00:39:33 The tip of the iceberg started melting September 2005. The police pull over a young driver, a girl named Aria. This is a fake name. She has weed in her car. It's not a lot. It's not like she's the next El Chapo of Florida, but possession is still very illegal in Florida, so the police have to book her. Now they're thinking this is going to be a very routine arrest, but at the police station, she starts talking and she wants to talk to somebody higher up. They're like,
Starting point is 00:39:58 why do you need to talk to somebody higher up? It's just weed. I have something that I think people would be interested in knowing. It's about a man named Jeffrey Epstein. Arya tells them that she knows Jeffrey Epstein, that she's been at his Palm Beach estate and she knows what goes on in that house. To get into Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach estate, you have to get past the gate, past the guard. So this is not his New York City estate with his eyeballs on the wall. This is a completely new house in Florida. To get into Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach estate,
Starting point is 00:40:26 you have to get past the gate, past the guard, enter through the side door which opens up to the kitchen. Usually there's a housekeeper doing dishes there. Then if you wanna go upstairs, you take the winding staircase with pink carpets and you head up. Upstairs, the hallway is lined
Starting point is 00:40:42 with photographs of naked women. And again, because it's a very expensive house, like $18 million, I guess you could say it's eccentric and not weird and serial killer-y. It's up for debate. But it just has this, um, the house itself has this weird edge of coldness. Not in the billionaire, lair, evil Tony Stark kind of way, but some parts of his house seem like a hospital. Some guest rooms almost look like doctor's offices. Then perhaps you walk straight into Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom. The whole room seems off.
Starting point is 00:41:11 There are these hospital looking machines next to his bed. It's likely for sleep apnea, but they look intimidating. You've got a massage table in his bedroom. There's this wooden cabinet on the side that's filled to the brim like bursting with rubber Toys and just adult toys the whole cabinet next is bed Jeffrey Epstein has peach flavored joy jelly Lube in the bathroom. There's soaps shaped like private parts of yeah all the different private parts There's more bottles of joy jelly peach flavored
Starting point is 00:41:43 private parts, there's more bottles of joy jelly, peach flavored, mango flavored. You open the door into his closet and inside his dressing room, there's more photographs of women, of girls that all came to his house. They all look incredibly young and most of them are nude. He's got DVDs, strictly B-list movies for some reason,
Starting point is 00:42:00 stacks of UFC fighting tapes, books from Amazon, one is titled Slavecraft, Road Maps for Erotic Servitude. Which is otherwise, I'm sure, a perfectly fine book, but it's Epstein, so I'm not sure he's using it as intended. There are two secret cameras hidden in clocks on the first floor in his office. Most of the girls in that house don't even know about it.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Jeffrey takes pictures of them through those cameras and keeps them on his hard drive, and the whole place has this overwhelming, sickly lavender smell to it all. The first time, most girls are led into a room that has a green and pink sofa. Next to it is another giant wooden cabinet that's filled to the brim with toys.
Starting point is 00:42:39 There's a mural of another naked woman inside the room. A massage table is in front of the couch and most girls are led up there by another young woman inside the room. A massage table is in front of the couch, and most girls are led up there by another young woman, an assistant. Just wait right here, he'll be up in a minute. There's a sense of fear and nerves when it's the first time because it's just a massage, right? Like you just give some guy a massage
Starting point is 00:42:58 and you get paid for the massage. I mean, everything in the room clearly indicates that it's not a massage though. There's photographs of young woman posing naked. I mean, one of them shows a girl that's clearly not of age, and in the photo clearly indicates that it's not a massage though. There's photographs of young woman posing naked. I mean, one of them shows a girl that's clearly not of age. And in the photo, she's smiling, but there's this strong undertone of anxiety on her face and she's pulling off her undercarments
Starting point is 00:43:15 while smiling at the camera. It's just weird. Aria was starting to feel a little bit on edge. It was her first time there. She was honestly just there because Hollister's pay is not great. Hollister pays like $6 an hour. And she had all these plans to go camping
Starting point is 00:43:30 with her friends this summer and she was telling her coworker about it. And the coworker is like, oh, you're trying to get plane tickets? You're not gonna get that adhered $6 an hour. I can get you a plane ticket like that in two hours. What are you talking about? Oh, you just go give this guy a massage
Starting point is 00:43:46 and he'll pay like $200 for 45 minutes to an hour. She didn't give Arya any other details. That was it. But Arya was not naive enough to think that someone would just pay $200 for a massage. She said, you know, like this guy's not gonna pay you money for not doing anything, not letting him cop a feel or nothing, you know?
Starting point is 00:44:03 But he could try all he wanted. I mean she would just turn it down. She thought if he tries to do something that I have a problem with, I'll just leave. Simple as that. And if not, if he doesn't do anything, then I make $200. $200 is $200. Arya went with a friend from Hollister. She was brought into the kitchen where she met Sarah, who she later found out was quote, like one of Jeffery's slaves, end quote. Jeffrey Epstein would pick a few girlfriends to live with him and they some,
Starting point is 00:44:33 it really depends on, I guess, how you look at it. I've seen some victims and some sources depict these women as perpetrators. And then I've seen some depict them also as victims who ended up becoming perpetrators, but probably because they were already victimized to a degree. So it's very complicated, but a lot of the girls would say they're like his slaves. So they would live in his house and they would do everything for him.
Starting point is 00:44:59 They would walk behind him during his morning contemplative walks. They would never really look up or talk without being asked. Yeah, it was a thing. The woman tells Arya, he'll be ready for you in a second. Arya was let upstairs, passed the strange paintings, and into the primary bedroom, where there was a couch in the bathroom,
Starting point is 00:45:18 and she's like sitting in the bathroom couch. I mean, it was huge, the bathroom. There were bottles of lube, massage oils, weird medical looking devices that you would normally see in like a dermatologist's office. It's just creepy. It was not a place that you would wanna be alone in, but Arya's not alone.
Starting point is 00:45:33 She's got her friend from Hollister there. Then a middle-aged man walks into the room, walks over to Arya, shakes her hand. Hey, I'm Jeffrey. Then he turns to her friend from Hollister, hands her a wad of hundreds and Aria is pissed. Her friend was getting paid to bring Aria here. Worse is that her so-called friend is leaving her.
Starting point is 00:45:53 She tells Jeffrey, great I'll wait for you downstairs. Turns to Aria, see you in a little bit and runs downstairs. Wow. Wait so the friend was getting paid? Yes. Hundreds of dollars. friend was getting paid? Yes. Hundreds of dollars. Like $200 for each referral. Aria feels like she's got no choice but to give this guy a massage.
Starting point is 00:46:11 So she starts massaging him with the massage oils and he just keeps whining, take off your skirt. She's like, no, but he keeps going. Come on, you're not showing anything just by taking off your skirt. He ends up pressuring her into it, which is illegal because she's 16, but regardless, he talks her into it and she takes off her skirt. Then he forcibly starts touching her. She tries to tell him to stop, but he keeps going and demanding that she now take off her shirt. In the end, Arya felt pressured to undress,
Starting point is 00:46:38 but she kept her undergarments on. He kept groping her chest area then finished by wiping himself off on a towel. So he was like self, he paid her $300 and she went home after 40 minutes. And just to put a quick disclaimer here, I'm using words given to the officer by Aria, but I don't think that he talked her into it or convinced her. I would consider it straight up force. She's 16. He's a middle-aged man. It's illegal. So even if he quote talked her into it, it's still illegal. Second, $300 for 40 minutes. In many professions, that would be considered an incredible job, but this is not a job, this is illegal.
Starting point is 00:47:15 And the girls were way too young to realize how traumatic those 40 minutes would be and how it would stick with them for the rest of their lives. But he knew that, he exploited that. Arya was 16. From there, Aria told officers that she frequently visited Epstein's mansion and gave him massages.
Starting point is 00:47:31 She stated that she was there every day that he was in Palm Beach and she had been there at least hundreds of times. She had some rules that she set with him. And again, none of this matters because she's underage. So even if she's setting rules, this is illegal. Aria stated Epstein told her that she was his favorite. He ended up buying her a new car, bought her plane tickets for trips, gave her shopping money. Sometimes she would go over to his house and there would just be a giant bag of lingerie from Victoria's Secret just waiting for
Starting point is 00:47:57 her. Like $1,500 worth of stuff. He even asked if she could ask her parents to emancipate her so that she could come live with him. As a girlfriend? The police ask. Sex slave, whatever you want me to call it, yeah. But it escalated. He just increased my pay as long as he could touch me. She said, I used to go there every day. Like, I don't know how many other girls he was saying, you're my favorite too, but I want you to live with me. But I was in as deep as you can get. She stated, the underwear I'm wearing right now? He gave me. saying you're my favorite too, but I want you to live with me, but I was in as deep as you can get."
Starting point is 00:48:25 She stated, The underwear I'm wearing right now? He gave me. Authorities asked and clarified, and for some reason we have very, very vivid details about his private part. Arya told authorities because they kept asking, Oh yeah, I'm 110% sure he circumcised. As a matter of fact, he has some sort of birth defect on his...thing?
Starting point is 00:48:44 I don't know what it is, I've never really looked into it because I've never done anything as a matter of fact, he has some sort of birth defect on his thing. I don't know what it is, I've never really looked into it because I've never done anything where I had to touch it. Out of the whole time I worked for him, I never touched his thing. I'm pretty sure he rubbed it against me, but I've never been like, okay, I'm gonna let you do this or okay,
Starting point is 00:48:57 I'm gonna do this now. But it's really weirdly shaped. I don't know, do you want me to tell you about it? Yes. I'm really embarrassed, but it's me to tell you about it? Yes. I'm really embarrassed, but it's like a teardrop, like a drop of water. It's like really fat at the bottom and really skinny at the top where it's attached
Starting point is 00:49:13 and never is like fully stiff. Like I could just tell by looking at it, I don't know. Like by looking at it, you can obviously tell if it is, I could tell that he wasn't. Aria told authorities that sometimes Jeffrey Epstein would call her over to the house and ask her to be completely naked while he worked. So she would be paid to just sit on his desk while he worked completely naked and watch TV or read a book or just be naked in the room.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Other times he requested that she be naked in bed with him while he watched the news, or other times he would just have her join him for dinner. It wasn't always a massage, but Arya said she would never be in that house if there wasn't money involved. Then one day, he forced her over the massage table and forced himself on her. She said that she quote, freaked out and stopped him, but he R-worded her even if it was just for a moment. Now, side note, I want to clarify that she clarifies with the police that she quote freaked out and stopped him, but he R worded her even if it was just for a moment. Now, side note, I want to clarify that she clarifies with the police that she never had intimate relations with Epstein and she did not.
Starting point is 00:50:12 But he did try to R word her even if for a moment or two. And I say that because he was victimizing her. I think she was so young when she was giving her statements to the police. I don't think that it settled in yet because there was a really heartbreaking part of her questions with the police where she just kept asking, wait is this like our word? I mean it's just my opinion. I think he's just a raging predator. Now side note, Jeffrey Epstein knew Arya's real age as well. She
Starting point is 00:50:45 told him that she was 16 and he told her, don't tell anybody, don't tell anybody your real age. And from there, things just started escalating. Epstein would pay Arya to have relations with another woman, one of his girlfriends that lived at the house, and either they were all underaged at the time or she had just turned 18, it's uncertain. He would watch as they had intimate relations with each other. Sometimes he would join in by doing things to the two of them. Arya stated that there was a lot of usage of strap-on devices and other large rubber objects. He had a whole cabinet at his disposal of things that he would use during these massages. She stated Jeffrey Epstein was a mastermind
Starting point is 00:51:25 at getting people to do what he wanted. She stated, he's a very hard guy to say no to. I don't know if you guys ever talked to him, but if you talked to him, I mean, he straight up tries to control the situation. Every word that comes out of your mouth, it seems like he knows what you're gonna say. Like, that's his job.
Starting point is 00:51:41 That's how he makes his money. Knowing what people are gonna say and what people are gonna do, the only reason that I held on for so long was because he promised that he would get me into NYU and that he would pay for it. So I waited and I waited and I scored great on my SATs. I had a 4.0 GPA. I did really good in school. I gave him my application three times. He never submitted it or checked it. And that's why I stayed so long because my dream was right in front of me, you know? Did he ever hurt you?
Starting point is 00:52:08 Sometimes it got violent, yeah, he would pick me up. Like if you pick me up and throw, obviously it's gonna hurt. I mean, there's been nights where I walked out of there barely able to walk from him being so rough. So to recap, Arya was pulled over, arrested for having weed in her possession, brought into the station, and the police thought this was a routine arrest.
Starting point is 00:52:27 But now they've uncovered that Jeffrey Epstein, one of the richer men of all of Palm Beach, is actively seeking children for sex work. Arya looked at the detective near the end of the interview and she said, Jeffrey's gonna get me. You guys realize that. He's gonna find me. He's gonna figure this out and he's gonna, I'm not safe now. You understand that, right? I'm not safe. Do you know what the golden rule is? It's very simple. He who has the gold makes the rules. And in Palm Beach there's a lot of rule makers. To give you an idea, their local newspaper, the Palm Beach Daily News, the front page news for them is
Starting point is 00:53:03 usually the most recent charity ball, or equestrian horseback riding event, or some sort of gallery opening. It's a place where nothing really happens and everything happens. And there is a busy time even for the police. They call it quote, the season. Winter time in Palm Beach.
Starting point is 00:53:21 That is when all the rich billionaires with their fifth vacation homes come into the town, they leave snowy New York, rainy Paris, come to Palm Beach where the temperatures sit comfortably in the 70s, and they throw parties. It is the season. The billionaires come in, fly in on their private jets, fly in all their friends from around the world. They throw these over-the- top parties and this bottles of Dom,
Starting point is 00:53:45 the ones that cost like hundreds of dollars per bottle. There's shrimp towers, hired entertainment, noise complaints. Someone hung over, believed to be dead. There's a 911 call. Cocaine usage through the roof. And once these parties are over, the workers come in,
Starting point is 00:54:00 clean up the billionaire's mansions, leaving it completely spotless, even though they know and the billionaires know, that they're just gonna do it all over again tonight. And everything, all that trash ends up at the landfill that the sanitation workers call Mount Trashmore. Everyone's trash, except Jeffrey Epstein's. His trash was being secretly pulled
Starting point is 00:54:23 by the Palm Beach Police Department after Aria and after Nina's reports. It's called a trash poll, where authorities secretly work with sanitation workers and have a special place for intaking a suspect's trash like all of it, and it goes to the police station and sorted through for important evidence. In this case, they're looking for anything that has DNA, toothbrushes, condoms, half eaten pizzas that can even place underage girls in the house or any other incriminating evidence, notebooks, journals, pieces of papers with names, phone numbers, dates, anything that can connect ARIA
Starting point is 00:54:56 or any other underage girl for that matter to Jeffrey Epstein, billionaire or not, the police are determined. They're gonna get this guy. They just need to make sure that the investigation is kept tight under wraps. The door to the police station swings open and a silver-haired man walks in.
Starting point is 00:55:14 It's Jeffrey Epstein. And behind him is a beautiful but very young woman, 19 years old, barely a woman, and she's walking behind him a few paces back. The other girls call her another one of quote, one of Jeffries like slaves. End quote. She's one of the girls that lives in his mansion. She's walking behind him head down staring at the ground and all the officers are staring
Starting point is 00:55:37 because it's such a strange alarming sight. It looked like she's used to not talking or even making eye contact unless she's addressed, which can never be a green flag. Jeffrey walks up to the chief, chief writer. He introduces himself as a local Palm Beach resident Jeffrey Epstein. He does not introduce the woman behind him. It's like she doesn't exist. And he hands the chief a check for $90,000.
Starting point is 00:56:02 A donation for a firearms simulator, which kind of if you guys don't know what that is, it looks like screen golf, but instead of a golf club, you use a replica firearm and you practice your aim, reflexes and stamina. A lot of wealthy Palm Beach residents donate to the local police department because they have a lot that they want to protect and they want to make their already safe town even safer. And they think this is the best way to do it. I didn't know you could just walk into a police station and hand them a check. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:31 And not be arrested for bribery. Oh yeah. Like that's insane. We should just hand them a dollar check and test it out. It's crazy. That's not a conflict of interest? Like what? That's definitely not bribery for sure, right?
Starting point is 00:56:46 But even for one of the wealthiest zip codes in the state, $90,000 in a donation is a pretty big deal. Chief writer, he'd been a cop for more than 24 years. I mean, he was trained for anti-terrorism at the FBI training headquarters, Quantico, but he's also a family guy. And he could just tell, he could just tell that something is off about Jeffrey Epstein and $90,000 was entirely not enough to make him feel differently.
Starting point is 00:57:15 The authorities have a report of something that sounds very much like the R word from ARIA, but it's not enough to get someone of Jeffrey Epstein's caliber. I mean, we hear about normal people getting away with essay all the time. Now, at a few hundreds of millions of dollars, if not a billion, into the mix,
Starting point is 00:57:30 Jeffrey Epstein is practically untouchable. Chief writer even warned his squad, "'Cross your T's, dot your I's, Epstein's attorneys can eat us for breakfast, lunch, and dinner if that's what they wanna do." And if you're going up against someone like that, which is what the police have every intention of doing, you have to know everything about your opponent. You don't go into a fight blind and they know nothing about Jeffrey Epstein.
Starting point is 00:57:53 For a very rich guy, he's incredibly mysterious and private. Nobody even knew what he did for a living. I mean, yeah, the police can figure out through tax filings, but what does that even mean? What does he really do for a living? He has a corporation, he helps rich people, that's all they know. How does Jeffrey Epstein make his money? According to some people, Jeffrey Epstein would go around telling people that he was a brain scientist. Is that even a real job? He would say, it's my job to know how people's brains work. So yes, it's all very elusive. But one thing is for certain, it is highly
Starting point is 00:58:27 unusual for animals that big to not leave any footprints in the snow. Only problem is, Jeffrey Epstein was born with very, very small feet. At least in the finance world. Jeffrey grew up in Brooklyn where his dad was a landscaper, which I just want to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It does appear that he comes from a loving home, which I just want to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It does appear that he comes from a loving home, but it is a world away from the upper east side and the old money New Yorker societies that he wants to be a part of. But Jeffrey Epstein is, unfortunately, very smart. At least on paper. He skipped two grades. He was a genius with numbers, they said. He played the piano.
Starting point is 00:59:07 His friend said, he was advanced. He's brilliant. He's a diamond in the rough. He's got a gift for recognizing opportunities very quickly. Interestingly enough, Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of friends growing up and they would call him Epi. His parents would call him Bear.
Starting point is 00:59:21 At school, they'd call him Epi. Apparently he was very likable. So they said, you know, have you ever heard someone who laughs like ha ha ha ha ha or they just kind of laugh like that noise. They said Jeffrey Epstein laughed like he he in a very high pitched voice. Like you would have a he he laugh,
Starting point is 00:59:38 which honestly is a little creepy. Not that I think about it, but a lot of kids, you know, when you're young, they thought it was cute. They thought it was enduring. Jeffrey Epstein was described to be chubby with curly hair and an obsession with his prized stamp collection and his grades. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein goes from Brooklyn to the Upper East Side at least Monday through Fridays, and he starts teaching at a prestigious private school in New York City called Dalton School.
Starting point is 01:00:05 This isn't even a university. Dalton is a K through 12 grade school. The tuition per year is $61,000 a year. This is not even a private university. Epstein doesn't even have a college degree and he ends up as a teacher of math and physics over at Dalton. And nobody was taking parent teacher conferences as seriously as Epstein was, because that is his chance to be in the same room with these rich, powerful, well-connected parents
Starting point is 01:00:35 without formally pitching himself and annoying these influential families because I'm sure they get that all the time. I'm sure they get shark tank pitches on a daily basis. Epstein shows up to these teacher conferences and shows them exactly how valuable and brilliant he is. And it works. One of the dads leans over during a parent-teacher conference. Have you ever heard of Bear Stearns?
Starting point is 01:01:01 Bear Stearns was a massive investment bank trading and brokerage firm. By 2008, it was the a massive investment bank trading and brokerage firm. By 2008, it was the fifth largest investment bank in Manhattan. It did collapse that same year, so I don't know what that means anymore. In 2006, they did 9.2 billion in revenue.
Starting point is 01:01:18 They had a giant 47-floor glass-down skyscraper in the middle of Manhattan. The traders did lines of cocaine in the bathroom. I'm not even making that up. There was a guy from Bear Stearns who had a cocaine dispenser that had the emblem of Bear Stearns. I mean, the firm clearly operated in very interesting ways. Even when hiring traders, the partners were not looking at resumes and diplomas.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Some of the partners would straight up say, I'm looking for PSDs. Poor, smart, determined kids. PSDs. Jeffrey Epstein was a PSD when he joined Bear Stearns. He starts trading and sleeping with one of the partners assistants immediately and he is exposed to a whole new world of money. At these firms, money is no longer even money. It's just numbers on a screen that go up and down. When it goes up, you're happy. You make money. When it goes down, you're sad you do another line of cocaine and you get back at it. After five years there, Epstein takes his $250,000 bonus that year, resigns from the firm conveniently right before the SEC starts an investigation into Bear Stearns,
Starting point is 01:02:19 which is suspicious to say the least. He was questioned multiple times by the SEC. And from there, Jeffrey Epstein finds himself being a bounty hunter. Recently, there was that whole trend on girl math about how if you buy something and then you return it, you actually made money. Or if you purchase something in cash, then it's free. I'm going to introduce you to my favorite version of GirlMath and I will admit the math here it definitely checks out and it is Rakuten. My sister actually introduced me to Rakuten way back when it was known as Ebates and
Starting point is 01:02:57 she said you know Stephanie there is this website where you get cash back anytime that you make a purchase online. It is free to use. And I was like, that doesn't even make sense. Why would they do that? Is that even legal? This was way back before I knew what cashback meant. I just knew that saving money while I'm spending money was kind of a mind blowing concept. And now after years, I have easily saved thousands of dollars thanks to Rakuten. When I started using Rakuten, they were only compatible with a few hundred online stores, but today you can get cashback on over 3,500 stores. You can see the full list of stores on Rakuten's website, but truly, you can shop for anything
Starting point is 01:03:36 on Rakuten. I get cashback on all of my makeup and skincare if I shop at Sephora or Ulta. You can use Rakuten for clothes at Nordstrom, Netaporte, Free People, Mango, Urban Outfitters, Uniquelo, I mean you name it. You can even finally buy a Dyson and get cashback through Rakuten. It's not even girl math because you are actually saving a lot of money. It's kind of insane but Rakuten has 17 million members and they've earned over 4.6 billion dollars in cashback.
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Starting point is 01:04:45 I mean, my house is like the unofficial hangout spot for my entire family. So I wanted to feel as welcoming and as comfortable as possible. We always make sure that the pantry is stocked. We always have a place ready in case that someone needs to sleep over. But most importantly, my house is a place where I try to make sure that all my family members feel safe, thanks to our Simply Safe Home Security. Simply Safe is the whole package in terms of home protection. They equip your house with HD outdoor and indoor cameras.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Sophisticated motion sensors are set up on doors, windows and rooms. For less than a dollar a day, you can even get around the clock 24-7 professional home monitoring for fast emergency responses. Usually when we think of home safety we think of burglaries or home invasions, but the truth is a lot of things can endanger your home, leaving your heater a little too close to the curtains, forgetting to turn off the stove after dinner, or recently I saw a bunch of TikTok videos of batteries for electronic bikes and camera batteries like lithium batteries blowing up while being charged, or like the LED lights that for some reason were catching fire. I don't know the
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Starting point is 01:07:18 It's not enough. He actually blew through it so quickly that he had to stay on people's couches. He didn't even have a place to stay. His first real taste of money was through a woman named Anna Obregan. And she's this beautiful Spanish actress model, socialite, and normally very, very wealthy. But her dad was about to be out hundreds of millions
Starting point is 01:07:38 of dollars, potentially. We don't have an exact figure, but Anna's dad invested in a scheme. And now his money is at risk of being gone forever. So Anna reaches out to Jeffrey Epstein and is like, hey, I heard you're good with numbers. I heard you're good with tracking things down. I need you to help my dad.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Hunt down my dad's money. If you recover at all, I'll give you a good chunk of it. A bounty hunter. Epstein worked with the SEC Fraud Task Force, probably the same task force that investigated Bear Stearns and Jeffrey Epstein by default. And now he's on their side, trying to get Anna's money backed.
Starting point is 01:08:13 And it worked. He found her family's money being held in a bank in the Cayman Islands, and it's unclear how much money he recovered, but it's suspected that Anna gave him a hefty commission, likely in the seven figures. This is Jeffrey Epstein's first taste of big boy money, and he's not going back. It's argued Epstein did have a way with numbers.
Starting point is 01:08:32 He was really good at it. He would use it to find ways for the ultra wealthy to not pay taxes. That is what Epstein genuinely did. Tax evasion. His whole business model was pay me $50 million or pay the IRS 10 times more than that. So I'm going to find it's not tax evasion. I guess they're legal loopholes. Jeffrey Epstein seemed to have this lifelong habit though, where he would promote his girlfriend's. He would somehow date some of the most beautiful women in the world, not even subjectively, but literally objectively, he dated Miss Sweden for a while. He would somehow date some of the most beautiful women in the world, not even subjectively, but literally objectively. He dated Miss Sweden for a while. He would date
Starting point is 01:09:08 these incredibly beautiful women. I mean, they're completely out of his league. And then he would promote them to be his friend. He would break up with them. But he always told them, no, no, no, no, no, think about it like this. You're going up the ladder. You're not going down the ladder. You're graduating to a better tier. You're moving from lover to friend. That is better. Relationships are nothing. There's beautiful hot woman all over this island.
Starting point is 01:09:32 Friendship is precious. That's how he always framed it and it worked. Epstein would remain close with all of his ex-girlfriends. One of his ex-girlfriends stated, there is nothing but nice things that I can say about this guy. Even an old high school girlfriend remembers getting a call from him out of the blue.
Starting point is 01:09:50 This is both when they're in their 50s. They dated like what, 30 years ago in high school. He calls out of the blue without talking to her for decades and he's like, you know what? You came up in a conversation recently and I was just thinking about you. He's like, yeah, it was my birthday party, my 50th birthday party and I had all these pictures of me when I was younger and you know just thinking about you. He's like, yeah, it was my birthday party, my 50th birthday party,
Starting point is 01:10:05 and I had all these pictures of me when I was younger, and you know, because we dated, I had a picture of you on the beach, and my friend was pointing at your picture, and I thought, I bet she's got a big ass now. You wanna come over? And after decades of not talking, she went over to his Manhattan mansion,
Starting point is 01:10:23 and it's like nothing had changed Friends forever now one of Jeffrey Epstein's longest relationships though was with a man named John A This is a fake name He was Jeffrey Epstein's house man for 11 years as the main house man John was also the house manager the driver the house maintenance person He mainly stayed in the Palm's Beach house. And his job was to make sure that anytime Jeffrey was at home, it was ready for him.
Starting point is 01:10:50 If anyone had a firsthand look into what went on in that house, it was gonna be John. He said, yeah, I mean, I think Jeffrey was probably very sore, because he received three massages per day. Three massages by three different women per day. And every year those masseuses, they got younger and younger, and they would always be led up to Epstein's room or bathroom where he would have a massage.
Starting point is 01:11:13 But sometimes John would go in there afterwards and find these long rubber devices or massagers that would be in the sink that he would have to wash off and put back into the wooden cabinet. Now, in comparison to all of that, this new errand that he was sent to run, it seemed very easy. All he had to do was drop off flowers to one of Mr. Epstein's girls. He thought it was gonna be the easiest task in the day
Starting point is 01:11:35 until he found himself with a bouquet of red roses in his hand standing in front of a high school. Red roses for 15 year old Nina. Nina, from the beginning of this story with $300 in her wallet, she had to sit on her hands on the way to Jeffery Epstein's mansion. She was wearing a white pair of skinny jeans
Starting point is 01:11:57 and she did not wanna get it dirty in Wendy's truck. The seats are grimy. I mean, honestly, this whole situation felt grimy, but it's not even- I'm so sorry, who's Wendy? Wendy is the girl that's introducing her to this rich man who takes massages. Her friend, I see.
Starting point is 01:12:11 Wendy is actually her boyfriend's cousin, and she's sitting on her hands in the back, and it's just not a pleasant situation. But if someone asked you, would you rather work part-time at a fast food chain, sweating over burgers in the back, getting greasy, your hair is all sweaty to make $300 you smell when you get home, or would you rather close your eyes, massage an old rich guy for an hour and make that
Starting point is 01:12:33 same amount of money? When you're 16, 15, 14, I mean, even when you're not, it seems like the choice is kind of easy. Nina doesn't really have a choice now. She's in the back of Wendy's car, hands numb, the GPS is leading them straight to an $18.5 million dollar mansion overlooking the water in Palm Beach, and Wendy, her boyfriend's cousin, the one that's introducing her to the man, is glancing in the rearview mirror. Nina, remember when he asks how old you are,
Starting point is 01:13:00 you say 18, you got it? Nina's kind of confused because nobody in their right mind would think that she's even 18 or 17 or 60 she's 14 14 or 15 she's 14 sure I'm serious when the man asks your age you say 18 yeah I got it Nina smiles at Wendy in the rearview mirror and the car pulls up to the front gate it opens up for them they park in the driveway view mirror and the car pulls up to the front gate. It opens up for them, they park in the driveway and they walk up to a guard. Wendy's acting like she's doing a drug deal. We're here to see Jeff. He nods and they follow him over to the side door
Starting point is 01:13:35 that leads into the kitchen. Nina steps inside and there's just like a group of adults staring at her. No introductions, nothing. They're just staring up her up and down. One of the house guys, I guess one of the house staff looks at her. No introductions, nothing. They're just staring up her up and down. One of the house guys, I guess one of the house staff looks at her and says, do you want milk and cereal? I'm good. Wendy's just standing there staring at the man leaning up against the kitchen island. He's looking
Starting point is 01:13:56 Nina up and down, and then he just nods. Wendy follows him out of the kitchen, and Nina's so confused like what the hell is happening. I mean, clearly they're analyzing Nina, they're looking for something in her, and when he gets back, the middle-aged man, Jeffrey Epstein, tells his assistant, you can take Nina upstairs. Nina was taken to the Godforsaken room with the pink and green couch where she waited,
Starting point is 01:14:19 and she's just staring at all these naked pictures of girls that look way too young, and there's this wooden cabinet with toys inside and it's just a freaky experience. The door swings open and there is Jeffrey Epstein standing right behind her and nothing but a towel. It was freaky. It's terrifying, but she's also 14, so she's thinking well technically that's how massages work, right? So even though Nina is not a licensed masseuse because in the state of Florida you have to be 18, she's thinking this is normal. He's maintaining eye contact with her while he takes off his towel and he is standing there in front of her completely nude. She looks down and his wee wee is very tiny. Side note, the word wee wee was used with authorities,
Starting point is 01:15:01 so that's why I'm using it, but also it emphasizes how young these girls are. Epstein had a very stern voice, like an angry dad or like a scary teacher. It's a voice of authority. You wouldn't even question it. It sounds that scary. He tells her, take off your clothes. Nina's so scared she takes off her pants, and then he lays down on the massage table on his stomach.
Starting point is 01:15:21 He instructs her to get on top of him to massage his back. And at first it was as normal as a type of massage like this can get, I guess. Like she's massaging his back with massage oils. But then Epstein turns to his side and starts rubbing his privates on her body. He grabs a device, uses it on her private parts, and then it was over. He grabs a towel to wipe himself off down there and gets off the table. So he did not fully essay her but it's still essay, you know. Nina was paid $200 for the first time and unfortunately Nina was just one of the many victims Epstein had. He had a few ways that he would recruit underage girls for what I feel are assaults but he calls them massages. The first way was to have girls recruit other girls, children recruiting children under Epstein's force and guidance.
Starting point is 01:16:09 So Wendy, the one that brought Nina to Epstein, she told authorities that just after she turned 17, her friend asked her to come to Epstein's house. That's how she got roped into this. Well, actually her friend asked her, you want to make some money? I mean, who says no to a question like that? So she said, yes. Okay. All you have to do is give this man a massage and you're going to make $200 in like an hour. Wendy goes and just like Nina, she ends up meeting with Epstein in the kitchen of his Palm Beach house. And once he
Starting point is 01:16:36 gives her the look through and the go ahead, she's escorted to his bedroom. She sees the young assistant Sarah set up the massage table, cover it with the sheet, lay out the massage oils, and then she leaves. Well, Andy's looking around, confused, the door swings open and comes Jeffrey Epstein with nothing but a towel. He drops it, he's completely naked, lays on the massage table and calls Wendy over. She said, he tried to touch me. I stopped him.
Starting point is 01:17:01 I told him, I'll massage you, but I don't want to be touched. Wendy did get naked for the massage, and at the very end he paid her the agreed upon amount of $200. When he realized Wendy wasn't comfortable with doing more, he offered her a new position to work with him. Bring him girls to massage him. Each time he will pay her $200 for the first time. Just once. If the girls keep coming back, you don't get that referral fee anymore." Wendy told authorities, so that's what I did. She brought over girls who they all kind of knew what they were getting into. I mean, maybe not the full extent terms and conditions and all of that, but apparently Epstein made it a point that he did not want the girls to be super surprised when they were in the room. And each time she brought a girl between the ages of 14 and 16,
Starting point is 01:17:43 she was paid $200. Wendy worked with him for a year and I don't have an exact figure on how many girls she personally brought to Epstein, but she would say, it was kind of like a train. It's like I introduced him to all my friends and then they introduced him to their friends and it just kind of went on and on like that.
Starting point is 01:18:01 Out of all the girls that you introduced, how many of them were under 18? Under 18? All of them. All of them? All of them. Did Epstein know anybody's real true age, or he didn't care? I don't think he cared. He told me the younger the better. Let me just put it this way. I tried to bring him a woman who was 23, and he didn't really like it. Didn't go for it. It's not that he didn't go for it, he just didn't care for it. And he likes girls that are between the ages of like 18, 20 I think, some of them. But I think most of them lie about their age. I mean I know that when I started off young I think he knew better than to believe me.
Starting point is 01:18:38 I think he knew that I was younger, like 17, but when I told him I was 18, it was fine. Most girls would lie when they go in there. And for the girls being victimized by Jeffrey Epstein, I guess there wasn't really a standard rate. Wendy would tell authorities, the more you do with him, the more you make. Basically, if you take off your clothes, you're gonna make more.
Starting point is 01:18:55 If you let him do things to you, you're gonna make more. I heard about a girl who apparently slept with him and was making like $1,000 each time. Do things? You mean like touch you? Yeah, touch you in inappropriate places. Wendy told authorities that she never blindsided the girls that she brought over.
Starting point is 01:19:13 They at least had an idea of what was going on and she would kind of know how much each girl did with Epstein by how much they walked out there with. So there was one girl on her first massage walked out with $300 and Wendy stated, she walked out of the house with $300 so she obviously and evidently let him do a little bit more. According to James Patterson's book police tried to make Wendy understand that she just implicated herself legally in Epstein's crimes and she had been doing this for a little over a year now
Starting point is 01:19:40 so she was of age she's 18 now and she didn't get it she just joked I guess I'm like Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Fleiss is a super she was the madame of Hollywood she ran a super illegal sex work ring in LA that catered to the Hollywood elites. So she doesn't understand the severity of what she did? I don't think so I do know that some people try to, it's complicated because a lot of people do try to demonize her in some sources. And I'm not gonna say that she didn't do anything wrong, that she didn't help create victims,
Starting point is 01:20:13 but she's also so young. And she, like he has a way of picking girls, especially the Palm Beach girls, the victims there, of just picking the most underprivileged. Like he knows how to spot vulnerability. This is a very smart man, you know? That would be the first way that he recruits victims. The second way Jeffrey Epstein would recruit girls
Starting point is 01:20:36 was through Victoria's Secret. So remember that meme, what is Victoria's Secret? Some people would say it's, oh, the founder was a guy named Victor who loved dressing in more feminine lingerie. Others said, no, no, no, it's about the British monarch, Queen Victoria. She was always so prim and proper when she presented herself to the people, but she was known to be secretly very nasty, freaky, dirty, wild in her intimate life and that is Victoria's Secret. Whatever the secret is, the secret was owned by the richest man in Ohio, Leslie Wexner.
Starting point is 01:21:07 He owns limited, well, he owned limited brands, which included Victoria's Secret, Express, Bath & Body Works. I believe they either own or heavily invested in Abercrombie and Fitch as well. I mean, it's a huge corporation. Leslie Wexner is worth $6 billion and has one of the largest privately owned yachts in the world. Well, he did at the time. It was 315 feet long, which, you know,
Starting point is 01:21:31 I was like, that's teeny tiny weeny boat. Not that I own any sort of water vessel, but it didn't sound insane until I realized the Statue of Liberty is 300 feet tall. Big Ben is almost exactly as tall as Leslie Wexner's boat is long. Now, Jeffrey Epstein is rich. Leslie Wexner, that's a different league. Leslie Wexner hired Jeffrey Epstein to manage his money, but Epstein did a lot more than that, allegedly. He was kind of like Leslie Wexner's dog,
Starting point is 01:22:00 so Leslie Wexner would buy these antique pieces of art for his house. Jeffrey Epstein would invite his former friend, Stuart Pivarova, who is this renowned art collector to come authenticate the pieces, which Stuart would later say they were mostly cheap knockoff. So like it was bad. It wasn't even a good knockoff.
Starting point is 01:22:17 When Leslie Wexner wanted to break up with his long-term girlfriend, a woman who had uprooted her life, moved all the way to Ohio, converted to Judaism to beat with him to make him happy. Leslie was like, I can't do it. Jeffrey, go break up with her for me.
Starting point is 01:22:31 He would send the dog. He would send the dog Epstein. Allegedly, when Leslie wanted to see cats, the musical, but he didn't have time to go watch the musical, Jeffrey Epstein called up the cats, flew them to Ohio, and had them personally perform for Leslie. When Leslie finally decided to get married, allegedly Epstein forced Leslie, soon to be wife, to sign a prenuptial agreement. Had her sign it alone in her law office, then he had Leslie sign it in his office, but he
Starting point is 01:22:57 brought along a sports illustrated swimsuit model to show Leslie, remind Leslie, don't worry, there's always an endless supply of beautiful women in this world. And he had Leslie sign the pre-nump agreement on the model's belly. She laid down on the desk, they put the papers on top of her belly, and then he signed his pre-numpial agreement
Starting point is 01:23:15 for his marriage to not the model. Yeah, but Epstein doesn't do anything for free or even for cheap. In return, he's likely getting paid fat sums of money for managing Leslie's money and his life, but also in return for being this paid bully, really, he's getting access to Victoria's Secret models. Or sometimes people with dreams of becoming one. Epstein starts working with a man named Jean-Luc Brinnell, a modeling agent. And the two allegedly used
Starting point is 01:23:46 Brinnell's modeling agency to bring in underage girls from out of the country by promising them modeling contracts. Allegedly, the girls would stay in Epstein-owned properties, they would get visas, and very slowly, they would just be exposed to the world of quote, high end escorting. It's likely that Epstein used his known association in the fashion world to Leslie Wexner as a way to be like, see, I'm not a scammer, nor am I trying to take advantage of you. I'm actually best friends with the guy that owns Victoria's Secret. There is some proof of this. In Santa Monica, California, there is this very expensive hotel called Shudders.
Starting point is 01:24:19 It's a smaller, intimate, upscale hotel. It overlooks the water, has this giant pool. It costs $1,000 a night to stay there. Will the Santa Monica Police Department get a call from that hotel one late summer evening by a young woman named Clara? She's frantic. She's calling to report that she's just been assaulted. She's trying to tell the authorities everything that's happened. She's a small actress.
Starting point is 01:24:41 She did some minor roles in Baywatch and General Hospital. I mean she's new to the industry and everyone is referring her to this guy named Jeffrey Epstein. They told her, send him your headshots because he picks the girls that are going to be in Victoria's Secret catalogs. Maybe not the fashion show yet because that takes time, but the catalogs? That's your foot in the door. So that's what she did.
Starting point is 01:25:03 He reaches out to ask, do you want to meet me at a hotel? Clearly Clara thought this was weird because who meets up at a hotel for an audition but she wants this career and maybe he's just so busy that the only time that he can squeeze in to his schedule is she comes to the hotel, he does a little audition and it's done. Clara shows up in Epstein's hotel room at the Shutter's Hotel and he tells her to undress. He walks over and starts ripping her clothes off of her almost, saying things like, let me manhandle you for a second. Then he walks around her, doing circles, pretending to evaluate her measurements in person, but
Starting point is 01:25:36 he just keeps groping her the whole time. She stops him, grabs her clothes, runs out of the room, reports it to the authorities, who do absolutely nothing. They did nothing about it. They told her, yeah, well, it is your word against his. Clara was terrified of going public with everything when Jeffrey Epstein had all the money and the power and she's just another small model in the industry.
Starting point is 01:25:58 She didn't think anyone would care or listen. This would be the second way Epstein would recruit girls. But Jean Brinnell vehemently denies being part of any of this. Brinnell would actually go on to sue Jeffrey Epstein and state that his friendship and association with Epstein had cost him irreversible damage to his reputation and career. He stated, parents don't want to send their children to work with me because one of the first things that pop up when you Google my name is sex trafficking. Yeah, well he's dead now. Police tracked down- Wait, wait, who's dead?
Starting point is 01:26:29 Jean-Bernel. Huh, he died too. Yeah, lots of people died. Wow. Now, in 2005, police tracked down yet another woman who gave Epstein massages and it was so clear Epstein had a type. When police were investigating trying to find anyone
Starting point is 01:26:44 who had been victimized by Epstein, they came across a real masseuse. Now interesting thing to note, she only got paid $100 a massage and she gave actual deep tissue massages. When police asked, did he ever try anything with you? Did he try to grope you to ask you to take off your clothes? No. She said, I'm not his type. He goes for young, thin, and girls with no tattoos. The real masseuse said that she knew Epstein didn't like her tattoos because she had them visibly showing and Epstein would tell her multiple times to her face that he didn't like her tattoos. This whole investigation was really rough for Nina.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Her dad told authorities that they had a PI stalking their house, taking pictures of them, chasing visitors away. It was terrifying for Nina. I mean, her dad told authorities that they had a PI stalking their house, taking pictures of them, chasing visitors away. I mean, it was terrifying for Nina. She knew that Epstein was powerful, well-connected. Who knows? Who knows what he's gonna try and do to stop her from testifying against him? Even during the police investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, the Palm Beach police force
Starting point is 01:27:39 felt like they were being investigated, which they absolutely were. They were. It's believed that Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys hired private investigators to look into the investigating detectives, which I believe is not illegal at all, like they're entitled to do that, but allegedly, just as how Chief Rider went through Jeffrey Epstein's trash, allegedly Jeffrey Epstein's private investigators went through the chief's trash. What, like they're trying to look for blackmail material?
Starting point is 01:28:06 Yeah, something to discredit them. He's clearly capable and Jeffrey Epstein is one to play dirty. Epstein's attorneys provided prosecutors with evidence, pages from Nina's MySpace page, specifically her About Me column. Under best physical feature, Nina had written ass in eyes.
Starting point is 01:28:25 Ever drank? Ever smoke pot? Yes. Ever shoplifted? Lots. Ever skinny dipped? Yeah. Do you want to lose your virginity? Already lost it. Epstein's attorneys were trying to use this to discredit her story, which none of it should matter at all. But it worked. The prosecutor brought these pronounced to Nina Nina, shoved them in her face and started accusing her of all sorts of things, and it just felt like to Nina they were on Epstein's side. Epstein's attorneys basically argued that Epstein was just passionate about massages. They said, the massages are therapeutic and spiritually sound for him. That is why he had so many massages.
Starting point is 01:29:03 This is crazy. By the way, Epstein's legal team was insane. I mean, talk about a dream team, not morally, ethically, I think that's up for debate, but talk about on paper a dream team. This was it. He had the attorney who represented OJ Simpson. The grand jury recommended Epstein be charged
Starting point is 01:29:23 with one felony count of solicitation of sex work Nothing about underage women Epstein was released within hours on a $3,000 bail and by that point investigators had found 30 victims They have 30 victims, but they couldn't charge him anything more severe. Is that what we were saying? Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous No now the DA's office went a step further Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous, no. Now, the DA's office went a step further. They gave Epstein a non-prosecution agreement basically known as a sweetheart deal, where they stated that he would not be prosecuted
Starting point is 01:29:51 in the Southern District of Florida for felony offenses involving abuse of underage girls, so long as Epstein pled guilty to state felony offenses for solicitation of sex work and procurement of minors for sex work. And in this particular district, any of Epstein's co-conspirators would be immune from prosecution for those crimes. In this instance, Epstein was facing more than a decade in prison. But with this sweetheart deal
Starting point is 01:30:14 that none of his victims knew about before he signed it, he would get out in 18 months. And because he didn't get much time, there was split reactions from the public. A good chunk of the public, including friends of Epstein, immediately cut ties with him. Whether they did that because they think this guy is horrible and he's been accused of doing heinous things, or because they don't wanna be associated with someone like that for their own image, it's unclear. But a big group started hating Epstein after this.
Starting point is 01:30:41 But some, some people felt like, well, because he got so little time compared to what he was being accused of, it was almost a feeling to people of, maybe we don't really know what's going on. Like maybe there's more to the story, or maybe he's guilty, but he's not that guilty. Epstein's old friends from high school
Starting point is 01:30:58 still defended him and one said, you know, this is, by the way, this is when you're 50-something. How the hell do you know what your high school buddy is up to and what they're like now? But he said, Jeffrey's a brilliant and good person. He's also incredibly generous. The problem in Florida, as I see it, is he got carried away. Perhaps he was hanging out with the wrong people.
Starting point is 01:31:17 Yeah, he was hanging out with minors. Another friend stated, I have a son who's dyslexic, and Jeffrey's gotten close to him over the years. He got him into music, bought him his first piano and then as he got to school and had difficulty in studying, Jeffrey got him interested in taking flying lessons. Which yeah, is very typical. Predatory men who are usually only dangerous to those that they see as prey and in this situation it was women and children and not those people who are trying to be his character
Starting point is 01:31:44 witnesses. It was women and children and not those people who are trying to be his character witnesses at this point after the very first sweetheart deal There's mixed reviews on Jeffrey Epstein. He was not publicly seen as the Jeffrey Epstein that he is seen as today I think over the next 10 years the public will shift But immediately in like 2008 it wasn't like that that. In an interview with New York Magazine, the reporter talked to Epstein about his whole quote, legal ordeal, that's what the journalist called it. You're a legal ordeal, not your sex crimes,
Starting point is 01:32:12 you're legal ordeal. And the journalist said, you know, it's kind of like the Icarus story, someone who flies too close to the sun, which is already kind of a bold statement, but Epstein responds, did Icarus like massages? Jeffrey Epstein alluded to the idea that his playfulness had unintended consequences, and he said, this is what happens with wealth.
Starting point is 01:32:30 There are unexpected burdens as well as benefits. I'm not blameless. Since then, since his sweetheart deal, Epstein told the journalists he hired a board of directors, his friends, who would counsel him on his behavior. So kind of like a board of directors for a company, but for him, he also hired a full-time masseuse, a man. While in prison, if you tried to email Jeffrey Epstein,
Starting point is 01:32:52 he had an automatic reply setup that would read on vacation. Now, Epstein could have paid for the bail for every single inmate in the prison that he was in, but he didn't because he was very busy running the prison. It's stated that Epstein's prison was so relaxed, he basically got a whole wing to himself. His cell door was never even really locked. He was able to move freely about in the common areas,
Starting point is 01:33:15 watch TV, and within three and a half months, he didn't even need to stay in the prison anymore. He was free to leave for quote, work release, meaning he could leave the prison for 16 hours a day, six days a week. He was allowed to have for quote work release meaning he could leave the prison for 16 hours a day six days a week He was allowed to have visitors women girlfriends female assistants that were allegedly involved in everything. It was bizarre Why is that is it just a very like relaxed? Yeah, for rich. Yeah, okay. He only stayed there for 13 months
Starting point is 01:33:40 He was released with an ankle monitor which sounds okay at least you got an ankle monitor right no He was still allowed to take his jet and go on work trips to all of his different homes and even to his private island For exercise. He was allowed to take long walks around Palm Beach even in busy shopping centers for exercise So I don't know what that ankle monitor was doing His like legal team just did all of that for him. And he's basically free. He got nothing. I mean nothing. The only quote annoying thing he had to do
Starting point is 01:34:11 if you could even call it that was register as a level three sex offender which is the highest level and is categorized as high risk of reoffending. But it's Jeffrey Epstein. He's loaded. What does that mean to him? Nothing.
Starting point is 01:34:23 And oddly, he's not allowed to watch X-rated videos on the internet. I don't know. That's like part of his probation. Jeffrey Epstein was a free man again, July 22nd, 2009. And for a decade, he would live his life as normal, flying between his private residences, mingling with the ultra elites of society, his private island and creating more victims. He made victims after his first prison release. He would meet women and victimize them. He would meet girls and victimize them. He would also hang out with Prince Andrew afterwards.
Starting point is 01:34:57 And for 10 years, while he's free, the public is starting to slowly get more and more intrigued by Jeffrey Epstein in this case. A big part of that was one of the house men more intrigued by Jeffrey Epstein in this case. A big part of that was one of the house men that worked closely with Epstein tried to sell a list, a little black book of clients if you will. He stated that in this list, named all the underage girls in places where Epstein had taken all the underage girls, he also alleged the papers included a list of high profile famous individuals like Henry Kissinger, Mick Jagger, Ted Kennedy, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton alluding to the idea that they are doing disgusting things
Starting point is 01:35:31 allegedly. The house man tried to sell it for $50,000, which he was arrested for it because you can't sell stuff like that. And he got 18 months in prison. Ironically, the same amount of time that Epstein got for his crimes. You're insane. I mean, I will say that it's pretty messed up for him to try and sell it because the girl's names are on there, but the fact that he got, his crime is, it's hard.
Starting point is 01:36:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. This is so crazy. And all of this would happen until almost exactly 10 years later, Jeffrey Epstein would be found dead in his prison cell. He would be re-arrested and found dead with theories circulating of if he actually self-exited or if someone powerful killed him or how much did his right-hand woman nicknamed his madam, Glein Maxwell. How much did she know about all of this? How much was she involved? Glein Maxwell, the link in all of this that is she's still very much alive and apparently she's writing a tell-all
Starting point is 01:36:38 book in prison right now and she is a fascinating character. Some victims seem to hate her more than they hate Jeffrey Epstein. And we will be getting into Ghislaine Maxwell and more on the island, the pedophile island, on Sunday's episode. So in a few days, we're gonna be covering the crimes of Epstein's island,
Starting point is 01:36:57 more victim stories on how they were, quote, trained on the island, what happens when you try to escape the island, and how Ghislaine Maxwell was Jeffrey Epstein's secret weapon. So stay tuned for part two, please stay safe, and I will see you guys on Sunday. Bye.

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