Rotten Mango - #34- The Dance Moms Murder

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

Cheerleading tryouts at this junior high school become deadly once a mom hires a hitman to literally "knock out" the competition.  What's a couple of dead people when your daughter has the chance to be a cheerleader?  We also cover the story of the Blood Countess. One of the most prolific female serial killers who has claimed the lives of over 600 victims.  She believed the secret to youth was to take baths... full of blood.  Blood baths.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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countises, blood countises, because listen, I have been sitting on this research for like months now. I have just been obsessed with this case. I will research it in my free time. And then I realized, wait a minute, nobody wants to hear about this. Nobody likes cases like this. This isn't really like true crime niche, I guess. And then I saw a TikTok, a TikTok of a woman who's sitting down. Now she's got all these like

servant girls who are brushing her hair, right? And then all of a sudden, one of the servant girls brushes her hair a little bit too tight. She slapped her across the face, blood squirts everywhere onto this lady's face. And she looks into the mirror and white sit off yeah from all really it was a crazy slap it was like a backhanded back and forth like how you would slap a pasta dough like something like that okay I mean I've never slapped someone like that and so then blood just splurts all over this woman's face and she wipes it off in the mirror and realizes it makes her look younger. And everyone in the comments of that TikTok was like,

oh my god, like what movie is this from? Like, wait, what show is this? And I was like, bits, this is from real life, and I'm gonna tell you about it. But first, I'm gonna tell you about something else because I'm really excited about this dance bomb's case. We've got two cases today, and it's got to do with two female killers because female killers are fascinating. I find them to be so strange. I find them to

be so just just really weird. Okay. Illegal. It's just illegal. So we're starting with cheerleading. This takes place in Texas. This is probably one of the craziest like dance moms cheerleader moms stories that I have ever heard and the fact The fact that it doesn't still get pressed to this day blows my mind because of just how that shit crazy This entire thing is so this takes place in Channel view Texas Which is a suburb outside of Houston, Texas now at the time that this takes place It was kind of like a suburban rule mixture feels more like a suburbs now I think but it was mainly working class community.

It was a very religious area. Mainly a lot of Baptists lived there, and they were preaching against, you know, the normal things aspiring to be wealthy as a sin. They were preaching against sex, and then eventually they started preaching heavily against cheerleading in Channel View, Texas, amongst the Baptist community. Now, maybe not for the reasons that you would assume right So we're gonna get started with a woman by the name of a Wanda Holloway. Oh, yeah, Wanda Wanda be really weird, okay?

So she's from Channel View and she absolutely hated it Like she just wanted to escape from the minute that she was born into the town of Channel View She was like fuck this town. So she always felt like people wanted you to be incredibly modest But also have modest dreams like it's the type of town where you say I'm gonna move to New York City and pursue modeling. They'd be like oh yeah okay. Like we'll see you in two weeks when you come crying back to us. A city like that is not for a small town girl like you. Like that's exactly what they would say. It was to the point where if little girls, like I would say high school girls,

they had Liz Clayborn purses, which is like a brand purse. It's like a fashion designer, but their purses are like $50. I know this because I had a couple Liz Clayborn purses. You get them at TJ Maxx, sometimes you can get them for like $35.99 on sale. Yeah, I really liked their purses at its point in time, okay?

And people would think that that's too flashy. Like people would look at your kid who has a $35 purse in high school and be like, wow, what are their parents teaching them at all? Just spoiled brats. Just fucking spoiled. Next thing you know, she's gonna be asking for a matching wallet. Jesus, Lord have mercy. God have mercy on that little girl's soul because she's gonna grow up thinking that the world

just money grows on trees. Like it was a town like that. And so parents would even question their kids because like I said, it's a suburb outside of Houston, Texas. So of course all these high school kids are like, oh mom, can I go to Houston, Texas? Like can I go into the city to go to the shopping mall?

And they'd be like, what's wrong with the malls that we have? Like they just kind of had Like a thing against even Houston, Texas, you know, even the major city right next to them They were like oh no, what do they have that we don't have nothing? What's wrong with the When mom says we have food at home What's wrong with the the shopping mall we have at home? Yes, we're like the

really mean ones. Like when mom says we have Ariana Grande at home, the pictures of like Ariana Grande look alike. I'm just like this is like a borderline bullying. And so all these kids especially Wanda, absolutely hated it. Now, how do people remember Wanda Holloway growing up? They said that she always dressed nicely, or she was always beautifully dressed, impeccably dressed, you might say, but that sounds like a compliment. Nobody said it as a compliment.

They all said it in a way that was just really freaking petty, honestly. I don't know what to say. They would always say things like, you know She always dresses like she's not from here. She always dresses like she's too good for our small town Like she always dresses up like what is she dressing up for who is she dressing up? That's kind of like reminds me how I grew up you know in school because they want you to dress uniform If you want to wear some like cute clothes and then you know

Okay parents or school is gonna tell you like why you want to wear some cute clothes and then parents or school is going to tell you why you try to dress up. Yeah, I think it's nice to put some context that you grow up in China. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a little bit of context. So I really, I get it. So I get it. Why do you want to be different?

So you think. Why can't you be like the other kids? So Juan is childhood. She lived on the Ruffer part of Channel View and her dad was a tester at a concrete plant and her mom was a high school cafeteria worker So this doesn't really align with what Wanda saw for her life She always felt like people looked down on her and she was the really like the epitome of having a chip on your shoulder She just didn't like the feeling of being from this small town and even in this small town She felt like she was looked down upon by other residents.

So she also had a brother, he was pretty ordinary. Yeah, that's all I could find out about him, he was just an ordinary dude now wand on the other hand, she was never an ordinary beets. Like she was always seen as the overt you were of the family, like she wanted to do it all. So her family, even though they had no money, they shelled it out so that she could, you know, take piano lessons. She could take business courses in high school and she excelled in that.

Like she, she could have started an LLC. Yeah, she could have totally done that after high school. She was full of energy. She was really into like networking and wanting people to like her, but she always wanted more and the one thing that she wanted was to join the cheerleading squad.

In high school? Yeah, she was like, give me a G. Give me a U. Give me an N. What is that spell? Babe! A gun! A gun! A gun!

What? Why did it take so long? That's it, a gun. A gun. But she was never allowed to join the cheerleading squad because her dad was like, you know, we don't like the outfits there. It's very horish, it's horrendous outfits. Why are you trying to wear stuff like that?

It's against our religion. I don't ever allow you to join the cheerleading squad. So at this point, let me give you the lowdown on Texas cheerleading because what I could find on the internet is that cheerleading is insane in the United States, but it's extremely insane in places like Texas. Cheer is everything. Now I don't know if you guys have watched Netflix this popular like docky series that came

out, which is called cheer. It's about a college in Texas and they are like going to the national cheerleading championships that are in Daytona, Florida. Every single year they're trying to get that championship name and it's intense listen any Sport that has cheerleaders. I just want to make it loud and clear cheerleaders are carrying the sport. Okay, I don't know I have never I have never seen a sport that is so underappreciated But with so much health risk which so much injuries with so much working hours like it feels like people look at cheerleading Like it's like this like cute little pom-pom,

he he ha ha, team power, right? But it's insane, like they have excruciating pain. People risk breaking bones because they don't want to let their coach or their team members down or even themselves down. You have to be like a certain body type of body shape. You have to like endure sexual harassment, body shaming, and you always just feel like, oh, you're just like

opening for the real sport. So is there like a career path for cheerleading? Do you go into? I think to like cheerleading squads from major teams, like the Dallas Cowboys are like the most infamous cheerleading squad, I think. But I don't know necessarily if it's even a lucrative career. I can't tell because this Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, they were taught, okay, well in terms of the lucrative part, I think it was the Raiders.

I don't know, there was a cheerleading squad who sued the team, the athletics team, I think it was a football team because the cheerleaders were only getting paid like $5 an hour for like a major team. And they only dance for five minutes. Yes, so they're like, so you're getting paid like no dollars. But I mean, obviously they get paid for like their practices maybe? I don't even know actually. How does that make sense?

Yeah, but they like settled this massive like million dollar lawsuit because they really were only getting paid like something close to like $5 an hour. It was absolutely insane for all of the work that they had to do. But that's not even the shitty part. It's like, okay, fine, chase your passionate. It doesn't have to be lucrative. But here's what's crazy. So a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader came out and said that if someone gets handsy with you

because I feel like there's such a lack of respect for cheerleaders in just the sports arena and the sports field in the industry, they teach you how to navigate it. Like any good job, you know What team is this the Dallas Cowboys one of the biggest cheer squad like this is probably the top tier like holy shit If you're a cowboys cheerleader, you've like freaking made it, okay? And they said that you're told to be very nice when you are dealing with sexual harassment from fans You have to sit this full grown adult down as if they're a toddler and say things like, that's not very nice.

When they just groped your ass while you're on the clock. That's not very nice, Chad, is it? That's not very nice, Chad. Go Cowboys! Like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Like, just. Just.

And so it's like literally the literally these industries behind these sports, like they would rather you be nice so that they don't lose one shitty fan, then like care about the sexual harassment that cheerleaders face. They're like, oh no, Chad is more important to us, sorry. What? What are you kidding me? So they're told to be sweet, don't be rude. Now another former NFL cheerleader, her name is Angelina and she's from Houston, Texas and she said that the body shaming in cheerleading

is absolutely insane. It's like one of those things that as we evolve as people, we evolve to be better and we're like more woke and like it's 2021, come on get it together, but apparently not in cheerleading. So she was literally duct taped into her uniform. Like they put her uniform on her and then duct taped her into it in hopes

that it would make her realize that she's skinny fat. That's what they called her quote unquote skinny fat. Or quote her team, they all called her skinny fat. Like she looks skinny but she's fat. Like what? What? So they would literally be little her, they would body shame her in hopes They all called her skinny fat like she looks skinny, but she's fat like What so they would literally be little her they would body shame her in hopes that she would lose weight Is I'm not insane? Yeah, damn yeah, so cheerleading is like a crazy thing They are so underrated. I think it's insane like if you just watch one YouTube video of people doing cheerleading I'm like how are you flipping around like that? How is this not like an Olympic sport?

How is this not a safety hazard? How is this not illegal? It looks crazy. And so obviously, Wanda wanted to join that industry. She really wanted to be a part of all of that. Now in Texas, it's a little bit different because they said, especially back in the day, for women to become cheerleaders,

for girls to become cheerleaders in high school, it paves the way. Like it's one of those things, like if you don't come from money, but you become a cheerleader in high school, maybe you become a cheerleader in college, you meet a nice boy who comes from money, you get married. Because back in the day, that was like everything, guys were just like, you're cheerleader. Oh my god. Let me put a ring on it. Like how flexible are you? You know? So she was just like, this is? Oh my god. Let me put a ring on it. Like how flexible are you?

You know? So she was just like this is not even just about cheerleading. This is about my future. And so she was just like, please dad plays. And he was like, no. So slowly her dreams start fading away. Now she ends up graduating high school and getting married immediately at 18 years old to a guy by the name of Tony. Tony Harbor is not from a wealthy family, but he was from a wealthy family than her own. So his family owned a couple of gas stations. His mom owned a mom and pop laundry and Tony worked at a modest job at a railroad warehouse. Now immediately after their marriage, she just kind of loses herself to the marriage.

Like she stopped learning about business. Tony didn't really want her to work, so she stopped working. She didn't really have plans. She just was like, okay, let me start having kids now. And so she gave birth to their son, Shane. Now four years later, she gave birth to another baby by the name of Shana, which by the way, this life path is perfectly fine. But there's

like a reason that it's kind of not fine is because it seems like maybe Wanda wasn't all in about it, you know, it seems like maybe Wanda did want to work, but Tony was kind of like, maybe you shouldn't. So that's kind of where the problems start. And so obviously, after they get married, they have these kids, then their finances start going up because Tony's like, oh my god, I got to provide for these children. So I need to quit my railroad job and I'm going to start my own insurance company and I'm going to call it Harpers Insurance and every insurance company has got a

mother freaking slogan. So his slogan was insurance with a personal touch, which is just like... Insurance with a personal touch? Yeah, I know, it's weird. I mean, like, I'm just thinking ahead. Like, I'm just thinking ahead. Like, let's say you expand the company. You've got a bajillion employees. One of them is undergoing like a sexual harassment lawsuit. Like, this slogan...

She's gonna be like a frickin meme, dude. Like, you're just meaming yourself for the future. I just, I mean, it's just such a weird... I don't know, this slogan doesn't make me be like, oh yeah, let me go get insured with a personal touch. Like this slogan makes me be like, oh I don't really like to like touch people, I don't know. It's just uncomfortable. Are you in good hands? That's kind of cool.

No, that's kind of sexual too. So they start spending that money that they got. They start buying some water skis. They got a pickup truck and they were doing really well financially, but their marriage, their marriage, their love was falling apart. They just weren't getting along. So they decided to divorce. Now, Wanda got the house.

She got most of the furnishings and Tony like took his water skis and his pickup truck and they just separated ways. Wanda also did get custody of both of the kids, but it seemed like Tony was still part of their lives. It didn't seem like Tony completely checked out and was like, bye now. And so after that Wanda has two more marriages. Now all of them were to older, wealthier men. She got a type, okay? Like she definitely has the type and that's totally fine. So her third marriage was with a man by the name of CD Holloway. Now he was probably the wealthiest out of all of the three husbands that she has had. So her third marriage was with a man by the name of CD Holloway. Now he was probably the wealthiest out of all of the three husbands that she has had.

And he had his own field service, like an oil field service company. I don't even know what that means. I just know oil is like money. That's what I heard, okay. Like oil money is a different type of money. And so he was making a lot of money. He was 20 years older than her.

He even bought her her dream car. Like she had been talking to everyone about how she wanted a Lincoln town car more than anything. He even bought her her dream car. Like she had been talking to everyone about how she wanted a Lincoln town car more than anything. And he bought her that. He was like, here's the car, Bats. And she was like, oh my god. Now, this is when all of the gossip surrounding Wanda Hallway really started amping up because

Wanda, she became a little bit different. You know, Wanda from the block was no longer Wanda from the block. Like Wanda would not come up and just talk about Channel View anymore. Suddenly, she would show up to brunch and be talking about the diamonds. She'd be talking about jewelry. She'd be talking about bracelets. She'd be talking about how she wants to move to River Oaks soon. Now, if you guys don't know, River Oaks is one of the best suburbs in Houston, Texas. It's like a really nice pocket of Houston, Texas.

Think Beverly Hills what it is to Los Angeles, like a really nice pocket of Houston, Texas. Think Beverly Hills, what it is to Los Angeles. Like a really expensive pocket in Los Angeles. They never ended up getting their lucky break because I think what the situation was that was that CD Holloway was looking for, like, to hit oil, to like hit strike, you know? Strike oil, like something massive was gonna happen. It didn't necessarily happen.

They never moved out of River Oaks. They just stayed in Channel View, Texas, which like nothing's wrong with that. But people were really upset because it's like, hey, we're all in Channel View. You're acting like we're all beneath you because you, oh, you're gonna move to River Oaks, you know? And so people just didn't really like Wanda after that. Now, there was another woman in in Channel View that was very popular. Her name was Verna Heath. Now she was very similar to Wanda like so similar. So they were both incredibly ambitious. They were really into cheerleading. They wanted their daughters to be cheerleaders. They wanted to be dance moms. They wanted to be stage moms. They just had a lot of plans for their kids. And Verna's daughter is named Amber and

she's in the same exact grade as Shana which is Wanda's daughter and that's how they met. So both of the moms sent their daughters to something called Alpha Gymnastic Studio which is Pasadena in Pasadena, Texas which is right next to Channel View and they had it was expensive but they had teachers that were certified by National Cheerleading Association that taught there so these are like the best of the best teachers that you could get in the area and they said that when you go to this gymnastics studio, the one thing that you will see is that parental sacrifice is 100% there. It is completely evident. It is a matter of fact like you just see it the

minute that you walk in. And it just means that a lot of the kids are better dressed than the parents. There is more tension in the viewing area than actually on the floor with all of the girls doing these cheerleading stunts. Like the moms are all sitting around like watching their kids. It's been said that there will be sons in the corner which is like such a plot twist from Asian culture

but there will be like sons in the corner that's like, mom, I don't know my math homework and the mom would be like, shh can't you see your sister's doing a fucking summer salt? And we'll just like hush their little son. That's so interesting. I know, right? What a turntable.

What a turntable. What a turntable. So why is that? What is it? Is it because just the culture there, they just emphasize cheerleading so much more? Yeah, like I've never watched a full episode of like dance moms, which is like magic girls. Like the same thing. But like pageant girls and their moms are like obsessed with them, So much more? Yeah, I've never watched a full episode of dance moms,

which is like, Patrick girls. But like, Patrick girls and their moms are obsessed with them, right? And but I have seen snippets where they also have sons and they just don't give a shit. I see. And just like your sister is talking,

which is so strange, because in Korean and Chinese culture, it's usually the opposite. Yeah. And then usually I'm the one being neglected in a room full of cousins that are boys I guess. Can you be quiet Stephanie? Yeah, they're like can you be quiet Stephanie? I'm kidding. It has nothing to do with my gender. I just talk a lot. So it's very strange. Do you guys have cheerleading in China? No. Like in high school? No. Fascinating. No. No cheerleading. No. Like in high school? No. Fascinating. No cheerleading.

No. Like then, okay, like a soccer game. Soccer games happen. You guys have football games? American football? Yeah. No, we call it soccer. Okay, what do you guys have any sort of like, like, you know how in American high schools,

like, there's lacrosse teams and then like, you have two high schools who play against each other and everyone goes and watch and then you've got the cheerleaders and then you've got all the kids in the stands. We have Olympic math. Shut up, you're in this troll. No I'm serious, no serious, school against school. American don't have that. I mean yeah, we have like, yeah, we have like math and math.

Math competition, but we call it Olympic Olympic Olympic math like Olympic Yeah, like I'll shoot like competition Yeah, I always represent our school. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, and then what okay? Okay, so you have math competitions But you don't have any sports or anything not really because I've like a debate team debate team now You guys don't have like a soccer to a basketball team. No. Okay. Yeah. What do you guys? You don't do any sports in high school? We saw math problems. I cannot tell if you're trolling me. Sometimes he will troll the shit out of me just because he thinks I'm so dumb And I'm just like you guys don have, like what do you mean?

We don't. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. College, I heard there are. Like college basketball, it's pretty getting big. But no, not in, not in middle school. You guys have middle school teams? Yeah, and then you like get ready for high school teams.

No, we just, no. So yeah, solve this math problem. You're making it sounds so depressing. You are making it. No, it's fun. It's fun. Okay, okay. It's fun. Oh, I was so good when I was in elementary school. Oh my gosh. You picked an elementary school. I picked. I was in third grade and I was solving fifth grade Olympic math problems that apparently seventh or eighth graders can even solve. Seventh and eighth graders. Yeah, and I was in third grade.

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So there is a junior high called Alice Johnson Junior High. And their cheerleading squad is the cheerleading squad to be a part of in that area. And so recently, when there was a cheerleading squad tryout, there was a bomb threat called in to the junior high school. And so people were like, what happened? Why was there a bomb threat?

The police couldn't figure out who did it. The police couldn't figure out if there actually was a bomb. There was no evidence of a bomb. And all of the speculation in the area is that a mom was worried that her kid was not ready for the cheerleading tryouts and called in a bomb threat. Oh, she thought her kid gonna bomb it. No, oh no! Oh, honey!

Can we make bomb jokes? I don't know. But, exactly, yeah. The mom was like, my kid's gonna bomb, so bomb threat. Oh god, this feels really inappropriate. Okay, I'm leaving. And so Wanda and Verna were really well known moms in this arena.

Each had their reputation of just going balls to the walls for their daughters. Like that was what they were known for. Like if you needed a mom who would do anything to get her daughter on a cheerleading squad, Wanda and Verna were those moms. So Verna's kid, her name is Amber and she's got this brown curly hair,

she's got these pale blue eyes. She had already won three twirling competitions since she was like three years old. What's twirling? So twirling is like, you know, when they have the batons, it's very gymnastics from reminiscent. I know when you think twirling, I thought ribbon dancing because I did that in church when I was young. I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna go to the Olympics. That never happened. But it's like when they have these batons that they throw into the air, they do like all these crazy flips

and then they catch the baton at the end. And then you're just like, I mean, how was that even up there for that long? Like how does gravity work? It's just all very confusing, but it's very magical. And so Shariari won multiple twirling competitions. She started when she was three years old. She was also not only very good at She started when she was three years old.

She was also not only very good at that, but she was a yearbook star. She was voted friendliest, most spirited, and she was an honor-roll student, which is insane. Now, Wanda's kid, Shana, she was also an honor-roll student. She was incredibly popular. She was talented. She was vice-president of the eighth grade. Now, she was only vice-president because Amber was the actual president of the eighth grade now. She was only vice president because Amber was the actual president of The eighth grade now to be fair they did not compete for those two offices They ran for different offices and then that's like the position that they actually wanted So you know, it's not like Sean a lost and became the vice president and they were friends

They were actually really good friends because they were so much alike they had the same struggles They were like oh my god. We go to the same studio like we go to the same school everything's like the same Everyone thought that they were good friends, but But Shauna's best friend was her mom Wanda now this is gonna sound very dance moms because it is so Wanda would buy these mother daughter outfits for her and Shauna to wear And they would just be like cheerleading outfits like she would go and buy cheerleading outfits and she would like wear them. And then Shana would have the matching set. Cute.

That's a little weird. Oh, weird. I mean, I feel like matching outfits is cute, but like in the way that Wanda was doing it was almost like if she was living vicariously through her daughter, which is always very unhealthy, you know? Yeah. So like in a very creepy way. Now, the daughters were friends, the moms were okay. Like Wanda and Verna, they were both super ambitious in their own

rights. So they just didn't have time to have friends. Like they didn't have time for each other. They also were pretty competitive. They were the ones bringing competition into this competition. It wasn't the kids. Now the first real big issue between these two women started for the first cheerleading scryops, tryouts. So both of the kids went to a Christian private school for elementary school, but by the time cheer tryouts came around, they wanted to go to the public school, which is Alice Johnson Jr. High, because it has the best cheerleading squad. Now you can't be a part of the cheerleading squad unless you're part of that school. Junior high is middle school? Yes. Yes. And so Wanda had transferred

Shana to the public school from private school so that she could try out. Now Verna had not transferred Amber. So in Wanda's head she was like, oh, obviously Amber is just going to stay in this private school up until high school and then maybe eventually in high school she's going to try out for the high school squad, right? But the high school squad is harder to get into unless you're already part of the Alice Johnson Jr. high school squad. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense to like be like, hey, ninth grade cheerleading squad, like, by the way, I've been doing cheer for like the past three years, right? So it would be easier. So that's like the whole plan Wanda had. But Wanda had no idea that Verna had actually gone to both

of the principles at both of the schools, the private school and the public school saying, hey, do you mind if my kid tries out for this public school's cheerleading tryouts? If she makes the team, I will completely transfer her. And both the principles were like, yeah, we've got no problem with it, go ahead. What a serious, complicated commitment process. Listen, if I ever become a parent, my one goal is to avoid principles at all cost. I'm like, I'm not going there.

I'm not talking to them. But like this person is like, let me go talk to them. Let me go give a little chat. Let me get some exceptions. It's crazy. And so she got the exception for both principles to have Amber try out. Now, Wanda had no idea about this.

Now, Wanda gets really upset because there's only two slots available and three girls were competing for those two spots. It's pretty big chance of getting them out. It's like two out of three. Okay, it's not like two out of, I don't know, 50. There's only three girls. You just gotta make sure you're better than the worst person. You just have to be second, and then you'll be second best. Yeah. And so there was only two slots available. Three competitors. Now Wanda's getting nervous when Amber comes to the trials because she was like,

I wasn't expecting this. Like, I was expecting two girls for two slots, which means 100%. My daughter's gonna be a cheerleader. So now, now this son just pissed me off. Like, she's getting riled up, she's getting mad about it. So they do the whole competition, and Shana does not make it. Amber and some other poor girl makes it.

I say poor girl because I'm sure she was terrorized by Wanda after this, okay? So they make the team, and Shana did not. Now, Wanda immediately is so freaking pissed She went around telling everyone how did we let this outsider join our squad and she's talking about Amber the daughter What do you mean our squash? She's not even part of the squad. I The squad squad. She's not even part of the squad. Okay, but like what do you mean? She's not even part of the squad, okay? But like, what do you mean?

I mean, well, it's very Virginia George of you, I like it, okay? This is like, how did we let this little out? This is your dinner. The movie Mean Girls. Oh. She's like, how did we let this little outsider into our squad? And she's talking about like a little kid, a little teenage kid. And Wanda felt like if Amber wasn't allowed to try out

Shana would have gotten the spot. So she threatened to do what every Karen does, and she's like, I'm gonna get an attorney, and I'm gonna sue. I'm gonna press charges on this entire school. The entire Board of Education, this school system, the curriculum, every single person. I'm gonna sue all the fucking students too. Like she was just going on a little Karen rampage. Now her husband on the other hand, CD Holloway, the powerful man of channel view, he was on the board of the channel view band. Now I don't know what that means, but apparently he could make some rules.

So he made the rule that potential cheerleading candidates would have to spend at least one semester in the system before trying out. Now it seems like he made this rule just so he could shut Wanda up at home. But Wanda wasn't happy because she was like, did that get Shauna on the cheerleading squad? No, it didn't.

So shut up husband. You know, like they were just fighting about it all the time. So this really seemed like he was just trying to get some peace at home, but it didn't really work. Now, next year tryouts happen, because every year there's tryouts. So a full year passes and Wanda has been fuming this entire year.

It has been a sleepless year for Wanda Holloway. And she's like, this year, we'll make it happen. She's gonna get on that cheerleading squad, okay? So this is when the ruler incident takes place. Wanda wanted to get Shana elected onto the team so badly that she calls her ex-husband Tony and says, Hey, I wanna do something special to guarantee a spot for our daughter on the cheerleading squad.

And so Tony's like, okay, well how about, oh yeah, how about we do this? I read somewhere that people are like handing out wood and rulers and number two pencils with their names like inscribed onto it like vote for Shana Harper. Like you know those fancy number two pencils that like say shit like that. Fancy number two pencil. Don't be bougie. Like you could like have your name on there. I was like, will you

go to prom with me? Yeah, I've seen it in those like high school movies. So vote for me. Yes, yes. And so that's what they did. They special ordered all of these pencils, all of these wooden rulers that said vote for Shana Harper for cheerleader on it. And they thought it was a really, really good idea. So finally So finally before the tryouts they start passing it out and then all of a sudden the vice principal Confid skates all of them because it doesn't comply with election rules You can't just be bribing students, okay? Like you can't just be like hey if you vote for her I'll give you a fucking free pencil because you know how many kids Forget their pencils at home. So now they're voting for you just because they're like oh shit

I forgot my pencil. Yeah, let me get a pencil. So they're like, you can't, you can't do this. So he compensates all of the freaking rulers and the pencils and wanna go home. She calls Tony crying. She's like having a whole thing. She gets more pencils, more rulers. She comes to school the next day. She starts handing them out again. She's breaking the law at this point. She doesn't care. She's a bad bitch. So she's like handing them out again. She's breaking the law at this point. She doesn't care. She's a bad bitch. So she's like handing them out. Then the school decides, OK, this lady's crazy. Like, this lady is a full-on Karen.

We need to do something. We need to set the record straight so that no other Karen's can do this. So they have a Karen meeting. It's a public meeting for all of the cheerleading moms. They will come together. Karen's, we're going to talk about this Karen. And so that's when they decided that Shanna was officially

disqualified from this year's tryouts Wow, that is really embarrassing Embarrassing y'all so bad now wandah goes home. She's in tears. She's tumultuous She is emotional. She acts like her whole world is ending Shana on the other hand is like listen dad I don't even want to be a cheerleader anymore like it's really not that big of a deal like I'm just self-recognitive Paris like I I can join debate team honestly like I don't need to do this in my life And one is like no, don't you ever speak such blasphemy in my house? Why is one that's so obsessed? She's like if I couldn't be a cheerleader at least my daughter can be a cheerleader

And I can still somewhat be Connected and associated with this group of people. It's like if you didn't become, I guess the Asian version would be like, I'm not a doctor, so you must be a doctor. And so Wanda's not ready to give up. She's like, we'll try again next year.

So for the next year, Wanda's filming, more sleepless nights. She's going crazy. She's like literally pulling her hair out over next year, Wanda is filming more sleepless nights. She's going crazy. She's like literally pulling her hair out over next year's tryouts. So finally, the tryouts happen, but this time, Wanda's getting smart. Wanda's like, listen, I'm not doing no cute little pencils anymore, I'm fucking going all in.

So she planned months in advance and she infiltrated the network. She got a job doing clerical work at the high school band director's office. She has infiltrated the network. She got a job doing clerical work at the high school band director's office. She is infiltrated the office. So she's doing all this clerical work and that's when she starts asking all of her little co-workers at the band director's office.

Hey, so, I suppose someone wanted to go on the cheerlings, but what would be the best way to go about it? Could I like cozy up to a sponsor? Is there, I guess what I'm trying to say is, is the best way to go about it? Could I like cozy up to a sponsor? Is there, like, I guess what I'm trying to say is, is there any way to get another girl, another competitor disqualified? What?

So the squad, I mean, not the squad, the band has to try all every year. Yeah. So you get taken off if you're not good? Yeah, every year. Wow, competitive. Competitive. Isn't it so stressful?

Yeah. Imagine if we did that with like everything like marriage, or she's like, I'm gonna try out, propose again. It's a bad idea, huh? It's a really good idea. Yeah. Every year we have like a little assessment, we sit down, do like a six month work assessment. Yeah, this year I choose John

Whoa Oh, no, this is not good And so this is when everyone's like um Wanda you need to tone it down There's no way that you can get a little 12 year old girl disqualified from the cheerleading competition Like what are you talking about? Why are you acting like the Joker? Like, this is not some movie. Like, you're just a cheerleading mom. Like, stop taking life so seriously.

Like, they get for the whole spiel. So, Juan de Goes home and she immediately calls a man by the name of Terry Harper. Now, if you remember the last name, it's because this is her ex-husband, Tony Harper. It's the father of both of her children, his brother. So, this is like her ex-brother-in-law, okay? So she calls him up and he has a very interesting past, so he was probably not the star child of the Harper

family. He was married several times. He had minor brushes with a law. He had a DUI and at the time he was working as a construction worker, right? So Wanda calls him one day and she's like, I need to talk to you about something serious. He's like, okay okay, well do you want to come over to my house or do you want me to go to yours? And she's like no, not at home. We got to go do it in the car. So she's like I'll pick you up. She picks her up, he gets into the car and she just goes on and on and keeps asking him, how much do you love your niece Shana? I love my niece Shana. How much? I love her a lot. I mean, she's a good girl. Like, she's a good niece. She's good.

She gets good grades. She's nice to the family. I like her. Well, how much? Because I need two people taking care of, and I don't care how you do it. He's like, what do you mean? I need two people dead, and I don't care how you do it.

You need what? You need two people dead and I don't care how you do it. You need, what? You need two people dead? Dead. I don't care how you do it. So he's like, listen, I don't do anything like that, but like, who are you trying to kill? Cause he's curious. It's like family gossip. He's like, who are you trying to kill girl?

And so she's like, I need Verna Heath and her 13 year old daughter, Amber, dead before the cheerleading tryouts. And he's like, listen, I really don't do anything like that. And I don't know anyone who would do that to a 13 year old kid. Like, what is wrong with you? But he just really wanted to get out of the car. So he was like, okay, yeah, like, let me look for someone from my criminal friends. You know, I'm just going to go look. Now, the reason that she reached out to Terry Harbor, which I think is so fascinating.

And police, like like they were interviewed they gave the whole psychology for this is because when you come from a suburban suburban family right you are just fucking as suburban as it gets which like nothing's wrong with that I grew up in the suburbs right you don't really know that many hard seasoned criminals like if you are looking for a hit job like you're not gonna go straight up call the cartel you're not gonna call a mafia, like you're not gonna go straight up call the cartel. You're not gonna call a mafia boss. Like you're not gonna be like, hey, get El Chappo on the phone. Like you don't know these people. It's too scary. Why would you get involved with these people? You call the person that you think has the most criminal record in your inner circle.

Now if you live in the suburbs, most likely you're talking DUIs, you're talking minor, minor misdemeanors, okay? You're talking maybe petty theft, you're not talking full on murders. Like, you're not going to just have them laying around in your circle of friends. Like, you're not going to be like, hey, anyone know a murderer at your PTA meeting? And so she calls up her most seasoned criminal in her life, which is her, you know, brother-in-law. And he had a DUI on his record. And that's just as good as a hitman. She's like, he's gone to it. He's a criminal. He's gonna do it for me. And so she genuinely believed that he had connections with Hitman. So she's like, yeah, yeah, go on. Go get me some Hitman. And so he leaves. He's like, what a weirdo. And he never calls her back, because he's like,

no, I'm not gonna deal with that. Now, he doesn't hear from Wanda again until Christmas Eve comes around. And he goes to his parents house with his family now, because this is his niece, Tony was there, his brother was there, and Shana was there. Now, Wanda wasn't there because it's like, oh, this is like her ex family, right?

So she's probably spending it with her new family, or like her current husband, not her ex-husband. And so Shana comes up to the uncle and is like, hey, I don't know why, but like mom wants you to call her on this number. And it was like a piece of paper with like a burn phone number on it. Like one of those burn phones that you get at Walmart.

And so he's like, okay. So he's like, okay. I know when I call her, she's just gonna want one of two things. Either she's gonna be like, hey, I don't know what I was thinking, like just forget that happened. Don't tell anyone because it sounds crazy. Just please don't make a big deal out of it. Like I'm not looking for a hitman. I was just

I was just strong out on coffee or second of all she's going to be like, hey, did you find someone? So he's hoping obviously it's the first option. So he calls her up on the phone and she's like, hey, did you find someone? And he's like, God damn it. And this is when he asks the ultimate question, the question that we all want to ask, which is, um, why do you need a hitman? Like, why not just like, Sean to try out and if she doesn't get it, she doesn't get it. And she said, I don't get it. Yeah, she's like, I don't, what do you mean? That's, I don't understand the logic in that. Okay, you're dumb, but where's the hit man? So she's like, no, she will be too devastated and never try out again. So she's saying, if Shana gets rejected from the squad for the third year in a row,

Shana will never try out for the cheerleading squad ever again, which is not what she can do. So she's like, you need to find someone. So Terry is like, okay, I'll find someone and he hangs up the phone and he immediately tells Tony because this is when he realizes that Wanda is serious about killing a 13 year old and he's like, I need to tell my brother. So he's like, Tony, hey, bro, I need to tell you something. I don't know why I think Terry Harper sounds like that. I'm sorry. So he's like, I need to tell you something. Now, Tony is like, you need to go call the cops. So like, you need to immediately tell the police because if she is serious, she needs to,

she needs to go to jail because that's insane. I don't want my kids to grow up with her. Like, I don't want my kids to be under her influence. Who knows what she'll do. So Tony's like, okay, let's go together. So Terry goes to the Sheriff's Department and they immediately were not interested in the case. So to give you some background, this Sheriff's Department had recently just done a hitman case.

Conspiracy to commit murder, like one of those murder for higher type situations and a husband had paid $5,000 to a hitman to get rid of his wife, had literally transferred $5,000. There was a transfer of payment done, which is literally the last step before the police arrest you Okay, and he had given the money the police arrest the husband the wife she's shopping at Kroger They go to Kroger. They alert the wife. Hey, you were about to be murdered We just saved your ass and she's in tears. They go to trial the husband gets probation no jail time and the wife Stayed with the husband to this day.

They're still married. And the police are clown emojis. The police are clown emojis, and they're like, why did we do all of that? For what? For what? So they're like, we're not trying to do that, and we don't even believe you. A clown can't be clowned again.

Fumi wants, wait, I'm just gonna to go find Fumi wants clown on me. And so they're like, no, we don't even think it's real. Like this doesn't exist. Okay, like the husband and the wife is more common, but really a cheerleading mom trying to kill another cheerleading mom. Yeah, like you're trying to clown us. You're just trying to make us look dumb and Terry's like, no, I swear. I swear. And so they find, they're like, okay, fine. Then trying to clown us. You're just trying to make us look dumb and Terry's like, no, I swear. I swear.

And so they find, they're like, okay, fine. Then why are you tap your phones? We're gonna teach you how to record all of your phone calls with Wanda. And if she's serious, you can come back to us with all of these recorded audios and we'll investigate. So he's like, okay, fucking fine.

So he goes home, he starts recording all of his phone calls with Wanda. And Wanda was upset because this fake hitman that Terry was making up was trying to charge Wanda $2,500 for the hit on Verna and $5,000 for the hit on Amber. And she just was talking about it as if it was like a car. She's like, you know, it's just a lot of money for me, you know, like it's just a little too much. Like, can we meet somewhere in the middle?

Like, can we bring that number down? Like, what's the bottom line here? like she was genuinely so casual about it and so finally she decides to just go with the hit on Verna she's like you know what I feel like five thousand dollars is too much to pay someone to kill this 13 year old kid so I'm just gonna kill her mom because if it's right before the cheerleading tryouts obviously Amber is gonna be too emotional because her mom just died that she can't compete. She's like, not because she's 13 and she's a kid and she has a future in front of her. Because, you know, like I can just get, take care of the situation, you know, we're just

the mom. Two birds, one stone and I could probably still buy a dive in bracelet with the rest of the money. Like she was really going in. So, Terry's like, okay, sounds good. So, the police are finally like, oh, damn, like she's serious. Like, she's negotiating the price. Okay, but let's arrange for the payment day to happen. So, that day that they arranged, the police are in on it.

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you're about to get murdered. We saved you. He-he-he, thank us, you know, the police. They're really cool about it. And so this obviously became an absolute media show. It's got a lot of things that the press is obsessed with. It's got Texas, it's got crime, and it's got cheerleading, which is just like an explosion case.

They called her Pompom Mom. Pompom Mom. Murderous Pompom Mom. Listen, if I ever go down for a crime, I don't want to go down as Pompom Mom. Movie companies were reaching out to this tiny little town for anyone, anyone that was involved in the story to be like, hey, do you want to be part of a movie? It would be like the janitor of the cheerleading squad trials and they were like, do you want to be part of a movie? Like they were just insane. TV shows were sending representatives to motels, including press networks to try to get some more

information on this case. They would even hustle the kids. Or maybe the kids were hustling the journalist. I'm not sure. So these journalists would approach these kids that went to the same school as Shana and Amber. Like imagine how traumatic this experience is for everyone involved, especially all of the kids involved, right? And now the school yearbook would usually sell for $15 a pop.

$15, you get a school yearbook. A pop. The pop. Now, if you had a school yearbook that had Shana or Amber's picture in it The reporters were buying it off of you for $50. These kids were fucking hustling. They were hustling the press They were hustling these journalists. They were making shmoney. They were flipping yearbooks. They were flip or flop Like they were just going in right there were so many good punchlines

I mean when I say good punchlines, I feel so bad for saying that but like I mean nobody was murdered I know there's trauma involved but like okay just listen to it and then you tell me if it's good or bad Give me a G Give me a you Give me an N what is that spell? Give me a good Give me a good Insane they had to keep the press out of the cheerleading tryouts because these journalists were literally trying to pay the school kids like Hey, what time is your cheerleading tryouts?

Like imagine how creepy that is these full-on adults with like little cameras They're like what times your cheerleading try out and they're like whoa this is insane They have to have all of the faculty stand outside of the gym dorms as if they were part of the fucking secret service to try to keep press out. Like it was insane. Now Amber did make the team. Shana however did not try out for the team because I mean, well I can understand why she didn't. So Shana and Wanda were getting bullied in the press like non-stop. Shana was getting bullied in real life so between all of her peers.

Now this was really sad. So Shana, she said that her only way of coping with what her mom had just done because she had no idea about this. You know, she would not agree to this was she just acted like it didn't happen. Like that was her coping mechanism. Like her brain, she's like 13. She didn't know how to process this. She was like, okay, I'm gonna act like this event did not take place. Now she started getting bullied at school because everyone was like, how are you just gonna act like nothing happened? Now what made it even worse is that everyone was treating Amber as if she was this victim, which she was. But in this situation, I think both girls were victims,

but they were treating Shana as if she was just as bad as Wanda. When in reality, Shana was just as much of a victim as Amber was, you know. But that's not how they were treating her. And so she was getting bullied. She got anxiety and depression from all of this. She had a lot of trouble through school for the rest of this. Now Wanda, on the other hand, she's been arrested. She refused to get counseling for her children. So she had to like sign off on it because they're underage and she was the soul like guardian of them. So she had to sign off like, yes, I give permission for my underage children to go to therapy with this specific therapist, right?

And she's like, they don't need therapy. So that's when Tony, the biological dad sued for custody of the kids. And they use this in court to their advantage. So one does attorney is like, oh my god, he just sued you for custody. So they come up with this crazy freaking theory that Tony and Terry set up Wanda for custody of the kids. They were like, obviously, if she's sitting in jail, custody is going to be easier to get. So we're going to set up this crazy whole scheme about like baiting her into like admitting

that she wants to murder people. And then we're going gonna sue her for custody That was the defense wand is attorney used in in court They were just like yeah dead ass now what didn't work with this is that Tony had never sued for custody prior to any of this And it had been 11 years since their divorce So it's kind of like I mean he should have probably done at least once or twice before the 11 years Like who waits 11 years and then suddenly is like now that I've waited long enough We're gonna set them up for a murder for higher plot like it's just that doesn't make any sense

Yeah, now what made it even worse and really worse for Wanda is that Shane liked his dad a lot more to begin with And all of the money that his dad and Wanda had saved up for his college tuition was now going to Wanda's defense attorney. Wait. Shane, yeah, there's a Shane. Shane is son. They're eldest kid. So son helped pay for it.

Helped too. I mean, he didn't have a choice. So Wanda and Tony had, say, like, set aside money for his college fund. Oh, they both just took his money and you're setting for a battle with that. Yeah, because the attorney had to get paid, you know. Oh, wow. And so they were like, we're out of money. Like, do you need, like, we can't have your mom sit in prison forever. We need to pay this attorney. And it sucked because he was an honorable student and he worked his ass off in high school. And he was like, this is going to make it so much harder for me to go to college. And I may be not

even be able to go to the college that I want to because of this Well, this stupid mom just ruined everyone ruined all the kids' lives Yeah, and she's like I didn't fit the kids. It's like really Wanda you did it for you, but it's and so he was like Yeah, it all went down the drain for nothing and she was convicted of and she was convicted of solicitation of capital murder and sentenced to 15 years in prison. Now, the first conviction was overturned briefly because they found out a jury member, a juror had a drug-related felony charge

and she didn't have been allowed on the jury. So a mistrial was declared. Then the second trial happened, and this time she pled no contest. They negotiated a plea deal, and she got 10 years in prison with a $10,000 fine and she was also sued in the civil court system for against the victims and she settled for $150,000. Now here's the crazy plot twist of it all.

Pom Pom mom only serves six months of her 10-year prison sentence. She was released March 1, 1997. The judge ordered her to serve the remaining nine and a half years on probation and complete a thousand hours of community service. A bit served six months of a 10-year sentence. Six months. What? Now, Shana, she, I mean, there was just a lot going on.

So Shana was plagued with depression. She had anxiety attacks. Now, her best friend had just been like taken from her. Like, imagine the betrayal. She was so close to their mom. Now, her relationship was essentially non-existent when her mom got out. And she said, it's getting a little better now.

So now, Shana is a teacher. She's a mother of two. And she doesn't push her kids to do anything that they don't want to do, obviously. And she's getting closer with her mom, Wanda, because they kind of bond over her children. I think it's helpful also. I believe both of her children are sons. Imagine she has a daughter in Wanda's like, my grandkids gonna be a cheerleader! I'd punch her! And that is the story of Dance Mom's Gone Wild. I don't know what to say other than the fact

that this story set back cheerleading for so long because this is literally the stereotypical what people think of cheerleading and how toxic it is, but it's like cheerleading is such a good sport. Did they make a movie or anything other? They made like a lifetime made for TV film from it. I think there was a couple other things that came out of it, but it just was so weird. Yeah. Yeah, so strange. Embarrassing. Embarrassing, yeah, for sure. Now this next story, oh god, this is the one

I was waiting for. I know. I don't know how to do a short podcast. I'm sorry. I know. Eventually, I'll have some short podcasts, but this one's so good. Okay, so I'm going to try to make it as brief as possible, but oh god It's so good now here's the reason that I never talked about this even though I have been sitting on this case for like months now It's because it happened in 1560 and I always felt like people don't like stories that even happened in the 90s I feel like people are like I can't relate like why couldn't they just like bring out their cell phone and call 911 And I'm like because they had pictures like why couldn't they just like bring out their cell phone and call 911 and I'm like because they had Pagers Like I didn't grow up in that area, but like they had Pagers, you know

So it's like kind of maybe harder to relate to the victims or relate to the situation because you're like I don't get it why can't they just post it on TikTok and try to get a viral case so that people could help them out, you know It's a little different now in the 1560s. It's even more different So it even feels like just like a fake story. And it's hard because a lot of this, it's like, it's a telephone game. It's like what we learned through history, but how can we know the first show that this happened? Now do you know that whole stereotype of how women are so obsessed with staying young,

were so obsessed with being wrinkle free that we will do anything, anything such as put blood onto our faces. Like the Kardashians. Like the Kardashians, yes. So that there's a blood facial that's really popular, and they take your own blood. So they take blood out of you, and then they put it into this crazy container, I'm like, Tuberware, like this machine, and it takes the plasma out of your blood apparently, and then you put the plasma back onto your face.

It's like plasma. But I know like a bunch of other celebrities do like placenta facials. They do like, what do you call it? I know Sandra Bullock, apparently, I don't know if she was kidding. She said that she had taken the foreskin of a child, like, you know, how boys get circumcised? That you can buy those skin and then like rub it on your face. I don't know if she's being sarcastic, but she do be looking young for her age, so I don't really know.

Yeah, so like there's all of these crazy things. Now I believe that a lot of these conspiracies about blood and this eternal youth start with this woman because she was known as the original blood countis, the original Dracula, and it was said that she took blood baths. Baths, you know how we fill up a tub of water, put in a lush bomb and we're like, ah, self-care, right? Yeah. No, she used to literally take like nine to 15 girls. She liked virgin girls, so they were like 10, okay?

She would drain them of their blood into a bathtub and she would soak in young virgin blood. She would murder them for their blood. Gratitude. No, that is what's said about her. Now, I don't know if this is necessarily true because she was convicted for murdering 80 people, but it's suspected that she killed upwards of 650 people. Now, to do some math, it would take about 9 to 15, somewhere along those lines, let's average it out to like 13

little girls full blood contents to fill up a standard bathtub. So it's kind of up in the air. It has never been a thousand percent confirmed that she took blood baths, but she was doing a lot of suspicious things with the blood. She was making some blood facials, doing some blood toners, like she was putting that shit in bottles, and she was like, ooh, skincare. Like she was doing all of that. So let's get into the story of one of the most richest prolific serial killers that happens to be a female. So she was a Countess. Her name is Elizabeth Bathory, and she was born in Hungary to one of the most powerful Protestant families in existence.

This was 1560. Her dad was Baron George Bathory, and I'm like, oh, Baron, what a cool name. No, that's like a title back in the day. And her mom, her name was Baroness, and Bathory, and they were both Bathory's at birth. So you know what that means, right? They're probably like fucking cousins. They're literally cousins that are fucking. They're fucking cousins fucking.

What? Yeah, they were, yeah, they're like cousins or something and they got married because they were like number one fans of keep the bloodline royal, keep it in the family, blood is thicker than water. Like we just need to be doing all of this. And so there was a lot of inbreeding, which is very pertinent to the story because this also impacts how Elizabeth is born. Now they were extremely rich, their social standing was intense, to like understand how rich they are, because I couldn't like quite put my finger on it because they didn't have like four abs back in the day,

so it's not like they were on like a Forbes list and I could just Google it. Her uncle was the voivod of Transylvania. The fuck? Okay, so the voivod of Transylvania is the highest ranking official in Hungary. Think like the fucking president of Hungary, but back in the day, when presidents were the richest people alive. Her grandpa on her mom's side was another voivod of Transylvania. So they just came from a family of wealth and power and inbreeding. And Elizabeth's uncle was Stephen Bathroy, and he was the king of Poland.

He was also the grand duke of Lithuania, of the Polish Lithuanian common wealth and the prince of Transylvania, like imagine giving an intro. Titles on titles on titles. Titles on titles on titles on titles. Here's the here's the the king of Poland,

Grand Duke of Lithuania, the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and the prince of Pennsylvania. All stand. You know, like it would just be a lot. And so the Bathroom family was just going through it at this time. I mean, this is straight up game of Thrones.

If game of Thrones was not inspired by this case, I don't know what they were inspired by, okay? Because this, they were divided. So the Bathory's had two sections of their entire massive inbreeding house, okay? So they had this section that was like, no, we have the rightful heir to the throne. And then this other section was like, oh no, this is the rightful heir to the throne. So they were just competing. Now Elizabeth, she had her fair share of issues other than the fact that her family was

like in a tumultuous, violent fight. She had a lot of issues and it usually comes within breeding such as she had epilepsy. So back in the day, it wasn't a fairly called epilepsy, but she had intense and frequent seizures ever since she was a kid. So this is common for children of the inbreeding. Doesn't mean that everyone who has epilepsy is a product of inbreeding is just more common in terms of inbreeding, right?

And now there's not a lot of medications back in the day, like at all, especially for something like epilepsy. So they, the doctors, the most renowned doctors of Hungary would come in and they would say, okay, royal, here's what you do. You get the blood of a non-suffer, a non-epilectic person, someone who doesn't have any seizures, and you smear it all over yourself, especially your lips, like a fucking lip tint. And so they were like, okay, which by the way, medical treatments back in the day, a fucking gnarly. Okay, if I could do a whole last podcast

on just medical treatments back in the day, I would just have the time of my life. Okay, okay, just a small one. So if you had malaria back in the day, this is what they would tell you to do. You know the word abracadabra, they would say find a piece of paper and write abracadabra on the first slide.

Then you write abracadabra on the second line. So every line, you take one letter from the end of the word abracadabra on the second line. So every line you take one letter from the end of the word abracadabra until you're left with just a capital A at the bottom and it's kind of in like this triangular shape, you know? So you'd go from abracadabra to abracadabra to abracadabra, you know, and then so on and so forth until you get to A. Then you tie this piece of paper around your neck for nine days. And then you go find an East running river and you toss the piece of paper into the East running river. And your malaria will be cured.

Abercadabra beach, it's gone. Science, so good. Now if that doesn't work, they're like, don't fear. That should have worked. 99.9% of the time it works. But if it doesn't, you just go find a lion, take off some of their fat and rub it all over yourself. Lion fat. Do you have asthma? Smoke cigarettes. It's the only cure to asthma, smoking cigarettes.

Do you have seasonal allergies? Cocaine, cocaine up the nose, cocaine for indigestion, fatigue, eye pain, hemorrhoids. I'm like, does everyone in LA have seasonal allergies? Do we all got that indigestion? We're all doing medieval medical treatments for this, because cocaine was legal and it was a medical treatment. If you had chopped hands, like, you know how it's like winter time and your hands get really dry, they said to put sour cream into a piece of cloth then you go bury a hole you go dig a hole in your backyard you bury the cloth of sour cream into your backyard you cover it with dirt overnight you wake up the next morning you go and you dig it back up and then you apply the sour cream on the next day like you can't apply the sour cream right away do you have pink eye honey

do you have pink eye do you want to know how to fix pink eye i can tell you So like if you have swollen eyes or pink eye you go to the beach and you find a live crab okay. Now you cut out its eyes while it's alive and then you toss it back into the water because we're not savages. You don't want the fucking crab to die. You just want to literally gouge its eyes out while it's alive and then you rub the crab eyes onto the back of your neck out while it's alive, and then you rub the crab eyes onto the back of your neck until you can see again. Cut down. Yeah, it was a lot. So, these were just some of the medical treatments I had back in the day.

So another epileptic treatment that the doctors for Elizabeth Bathory had prescribed to her was to get a concoction of blood of a non-suffer and a crushed up piece of that person's skull mixed it into a smoothie and drink it so that you can cure your seizures before they even come. Like a preventative smoothie, like a green juice. Kill a person. Yeah, like kill a person. So they prescribe this or what how does that work? So we think the way that they would do it is like if someone's already dying,

right, or maybe they would kill a person, I'm not sure the method on like that they would do it is like if someone's already dying, right? Or maybe they would kill a person. I'm not sure the method on like how they would rank this. Is it like consider murder or this is just? No, I think it's like considered like just medicine. Like a type of diet. It's like being keto. Okay. So they don't get in trouble.

Yeah. Okay. Especially not if you're a bathroom. No, no, you'll never get in trouble. And so she was dealing with all of that. She was dealing with like rubbing blood on her lips and drinking blood every day. And mental illness was running rampant in the family, which again has a lot to do with inbreeding. So they were also seeing not only where they were born with it, but they were seeing and witnessing a ton of violence and brutality growing up. Because this is not,

you know, today where we're like, oh no, don't show our kids these things because it's gonna influence them. Video games are bad for the kids. Back in the day, they were like, the kid is gonna be King one day. Behead everyone. Like, it was, I mean, they were fucking balls to the walls back in the day. Just like Game of Thrones. Just like Game of Thrones. The one takeaway from the olden days, such as the Game of Thrones days, other than the brutality and the craziness that we're talking about, is that sometimes romantic gestures were insane back in the day. It was grand, it was meaningful, everything had such a flare to it, everything was customized and special to the person that you're giving it to,

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They would cut open the stomach of the dying horse, put the peasant inside the horse, and then sew the horse back up, while the peasant was still alive. Which is a very complex strange. just feels like a lot of labor type situation to kill a peasant. But I looked it up and I think that the main reason that they did this was not because they were so bored out of their minds, which I'm sure plays a part in this, was because when the horse dies, typically within the first 24 hours, maggots will

start forming inside of the horse. And typically, the peasant will still be alive, because it seems like they had let like little spaces of that peasant to get air. I keep calling it a peasant, because that's what they call them back in the day. They have let out little spaces in the sewage to let the peasant get air. So without food and water,

the peasant will probably die within three to four days. But if the maggots start coming within 24 hours, he stuck in this enclosed horse that's dead with maggots probably eating him alive. Oh, hell no. Exactly. So back in the day, they were really game of thrones. Like they were crazy.

And so it set that up this time, young Elizabeth. She's like, fucking five years old. She couldn't stop giggling. Like while they're sewing this peasant inside and the peasant is begging for mercy, she was just giggling on the side like a horror movie. Just like, ehehehehe. But could you imagine? And they were just like, she's ready to be queen.

Like what? Cersei Lannister get out of here. She also witnessed multiple executions. One of them was incredibly bad, so there was a repel leader of a group of peasants who are rising up against the New ability because they're like why do you guys get to just like do whatever you want just because you're born into this family like this isn't fair We need equality, okay, and so these peasants are rising up. They captured the rebel leader of this group of peasants They also captured some of his followers and they decided to kill him but put on a show so that if any other peasants are out there they get word of this they will never act up against the nobility because I mean think about it do you want to be burnt alive do you want

to be roasted like a freaking pecking duck alive so what they did was he made they made the guy completely strip naked they tied him to an iron throne oh yeah an iron throne they put hot coals shoved underneath the throne to heat up the throne, and they placed a red hot metal crown onto his head because he wanted to be king so bad. So it's supposed to be symbolic. And so he's literally roasting to death. Like he wasn't immediately dead. He's not completely in fire, but he's roasting like a fucking rotisserie chicken to death.

While all of his followers are being tied up and Stabbed as their force to watch their leader being roasted to death now what makes it even worse is that while their leader is being roasted to death these Court I don't know what you call them like the little soldiers that work for the court They would go up to the rebel leader and they would just slice off pieces of his flesh like it was beef jerky because he was getting roasted and they would force it down the throats of his followers. They would force cannibalism down the throats of their followers to eat their leader. And Elizabeth was just like Ehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe She was fluent in Hungarian, Greek, German, Latin, and Slavic. So she was very, very, very, very educated. She was incredibly smart, maybe too smart for her own good. And most people at the time, especially women, were illiterate.

So she was considered to be like this crazy, powerful person. Like, there were so many men in power that were terrified of Elizabeth. Because you just don't see women that are that educated that rich and that powerful It's just isn't a thing that happens back in the day, right? She was really into the sciences, so she was really into like biology astronomy all of these things But she was also very fascinated by black magic and witchcraft Which becomes very important so at 10 years old as one does she gets engaged to 10 years old. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah 10 years old to a 16 year old dude by the name of count

I want to call him count nasty, but he's count Nodesty. Okay, but he's nasty. Okay, so count Nodesty. He's 16 years old and obviously this is an engagement of Political bonds and alliances. This is not love like they haven't even met each other by the time that they get engaged He would later become the chief commander of the Hungarian troops in the war against the Ottomans So the dude was powerful too. So before the actual marriage though some shit goes down Elizabeth is 13 years old. It's about a year away from her actual wedding and she gets pregnant She barely hangs out with Count Nodesdi. They haven't done it yet. So she lost her virginity, which is absolutely insane for back in the day. And so her family is like, who did you get pregnant with? Like what happened? And she says, oh, like I was fucking this peasant

boy, okay? And her family was so pissed. So it was a peasant boy who worked for the royal family. And this child could ruin the entire family. If people found out that she had a kid with a peasant boy who worked for the royal family and this child could ruin the entire family. If people found out that she had a kid with a peasant boy, it's all over. If this kid found out that you are the son or the daughter of a batheroy and a peasant, like it's over, like this, what in the bastard is this? You know, back in the day, they cared about stuff like that.

This is like John Snow, okay? And so they were pissed. So what did they do? They move her to a secret location and they have her give birth so that she could have this child in secret. And the family gave the baby away to a local woman that was really trusted by the family. People last, they also liked threatened her and her entire family and all of her loved ones. And they paid her some money to take care of this kid and Elizabeth like never met the kid again. And that was it. They were just like, get rid of this baby.

You know, obviously we can't kill the baby. Just get rid of it. And so nobody knew about it, but count Nadeshi. He knew about it. And he was mad, not at Elizabeth, but at this peasant boy. So he decided to track down the peasant boy to punish him. And he did this by castrating him and then letting a pack of wild dogs shred him to pieces at 16 years He was like, let me see this shit now Elizabeth when she hears about this you're thinking K drama

You're thinking she's gonna be like no Counted nasty how could you but she was like he did what? Tell me about the castration. Like she was so fascinated by it. She was really into like, whoa, that's crazy. Was it bloody? Was it disgusting? What are the dogs do? Who ate the peen? You know, like she wanted to know all of these details in like a sick and twisted way. So obviously, something's wrong with Elizabeth. Like she was like, wow, Sadie's donament. Like she just was so into it. So then they get married, they have this huge wedding, and there was some really just strange ritual

that was also involved. Like again, these are things I would love to do a whole separate podcast on. So Nadeszi, he had to show his loyalty to Elizabeth. So what they did is they had all of these girls just parade around dressing in Elizabeth's clothes, and he would sit in the middle of the room on like a stool, all of these girls would come sit on his lap and they had a veil covering their face and they would be like I'm Elizabeth don't you love my little booty on your

lap like I'm Elizabeth and then he would have to choose which one is the real Elizabeth and that if he didn't do it I don't know if the marriage wouldn't go on But for some reason he was able to choose his actual bride So he passed the test what a loyal aspects, you know That is the ultimate loyalty, okay So 4,500 guests attended this royal wedding. This was insane. No Yeah, what makes it even interesting is that Elizabeth had a higher social standing than her new husband Yeah, what makes it even interesting is that Elizabeth had a higher social standing than her new husband. So both of them took the last name, Bathroy. So she didn't become an adesty, he became a Bathroy.

And their wedding gifts were insane. You know, he gifted her his family castle. He was just like, here you go, wife. Wow. Yeah, now the castle was filled with servants as well. And this is where they would live. And this is where Elizabeth would live for the rest of her life. And the couple was known for being particularly evil with the staff, like super evil.

So most courts is what they call it, like most royal families were evil with their staff. Like they're just not nice people. They're not gonna be like, oh, like you want, you want hours off today? Like let me go call HR. Like they were just evil people, you know, but these they were Especially evil people hated them. So four years into their marriage. There was a war a war happens, okay? So count Nadeszi is like I got to go to war babe and it was called the long war against the Ottomans and it was long He was the chief commander and it was the 13 year long war. So he was barely home at this point and he was sick and nasty at war. So he was known for being this crazy war commander. He would capture people in war. He would dance with their dead bodies. So like if he killed someone in the battle, he would literally dance with their dead bodies and then plop them onto the ground. Then he would sever their heads and he'd be like,

Hey, Kevin, you want to play catch with this ball? And it would be a severed head. He would play football, he'd play kickball with severed heads. So like, he did not rule with grace and, you know, compassion. He ruled with just fucking fear and nastiness. He was away a lot. So Elizabeth was running the castle and all of the land surrounding the castle, which she like, oh my god, like a garden.

No, it was like 17 towns, it was like 17 fucking villages that she was literally ruling. She was like, I am the ruler, Bayots. She was in full power, and she went full on CEO mode. She was like, expansion, expansion, expansion. Like, I need more servant girls, I need more servant girls, I need to, I need to have all these girls working for me so I can save my time. Like, she was full on all of that Right? So all of these people that are we're already working in the castle

They were sent out into the local villages approaching all of these peasant families saying hey Do you have any peasant girls that you would like to send to the castle and all of these families? We're so excited to send off these girls with them because they're all from poor families Elizabeth promised that she would give these peasant girls a quote-unquote finishing school, which essentially is a school for girls to learn how to be ladies. Like most of the time peasant girls back in the day, they'd be lucky to go to a finishing school and they would never even dream of going to like an actual school. So like they just need to learn how to be ladies, they would make some money back, they could bring it back to the family. But most importantly, they would meet people in their time in the castle. And hopefully, one of these people will marry them. And that would be the ultimate, you know, goal. So they were like, yes, take my daughter. Now, Elizabeth's right hand woman. She had

a right hand woman. Her name is Anna Darvolia, and she is this old Croatian woman, and she was known to be a witch. So she was kind of like a council member, a mentor, like an advisor through Black Magic for Elizabeth. And they were really into it. It's suspected that they were actually secret lovers at one point, so it gets really complex. Elizabeth also had three other people that would go out into the village with Anna, recruiting these young

girls to come work in the castle. But during all of this Anna was like her main right hand woman, right? So Anna's favorite way of torturing people. So torture was firmly associated with black magic in Anna's world. She said, if I torture people, I can make spells happen. So if I need to make a spell to become rich, I need to torture someone so that I can use their blood and use this experience and the energy that this torture creates to cast my black magic spell. Because I'm using black magic, it's not fucking cute little flower magic where I go pick p&es in the fields, I need black magic, I need blood. And so her favorite torture that she felt was the most effective in black magic was beating someone repeatedly until they just spontaneously died. And when I say spontaneously, it was usually after sustaining close to 500 separate injuries such as stab wounds, burn wounds, you know punch

wounds, beat wounds, all of that. Do people know about this? They do later. So everyone in the castle knows about it. Because it's not like they're doing it in secret. Yeah. So she advised Elizabeth to only take on peasant girls that haven't tasted the pleasures of love, meaning virgins. So she was like, OK, now one day, Elizabeth writes to her, her husband about Anna and is talking about how amazing she is. And she's just talking about how important it is to smear blood on your enemies.

Like if you smear animal blood like a black chicken, they said a black hen, if you get their blood smeared on your enemies, your enemies will die. They'll just come back, they just won't be able to do it. And so there was a lot of emphasis on blood. So Elizabeth, what she would do to get blood from these peasant girls is she would bite them, she would bite flesh off of their arms and their face like incredible bites It's so strong. I don't even know how strong her jaw muscles are. I don't even know like it's insane Yeah, she was like the fucking crimson chin, okay?

So she there was this one girl a peasant girl who had her entire breast bitten off Elizabeth, and then Elizabeth forced her to cook it and eat her own boob. She loves sticking, you're gonna die. Pins and needles underneath fingernails. Oh, that's so right. As a former torture, yeah, and she would just giggle while she did this. She branded her victims with red hot irons, coins, and keys. She would light them on fire and then just place it onto their skin, especially on the genitalia. She loved genital mutilation, like a just a full-on regular serial killer. She loved that shit. She would make assistance cut beat with these women that she wouldn't stop

until there was enough blood to scoop up from the floor with your hands. Like you could get like a bucket in a mop and you could scoop up the blood. Like it was like droplets. It was just a pond of blood. Now she would use it. Some people speculate it was for baths. A lot of people speculate that she would place it into little bottles and use it for like skin care, use it for drinking, use it for all of these other things. It seemed like it was like part of her routine.

Jesus. Yeah. It was so bad that she would a lot of the times during her torture sessions would have to go change dresses halfway through the torture. Now you're probably thinking, that's not that big of a deal, like her blood, that her dress has blood on it, she just goes to enter her closet and she changes. This is the 1500s.

Have you ever seen any movie from the 1500s? It takes like 25 fucking bitches and like three hours to put a countess into a dress. So she'd be like, hold on tight, little girl that I'm torturing, make sure she doesn't die, and she would go upstairs, get herself washed with another 10 servant girls who just witnessed the whole thing. They're like wiping the blood off of her,

putting her in a new corset and a new dress and shit. What? And then she would just like come back down three hours later, like, okay, back to torture. She would deprive them of water and she said, oh, if you're that dehydrated, urinate, catch it with your hands, and then drink it. And she would watch all of this go down.

Like, she was just, I mean, I don't, I feel like in some ways it's phrased as if, like, this is the olden days, but she's just full on a creepy serial killer. Like, this is like the same shit that we talk about all the time, which is regular serial killers. And then she would shove hot irons into vaginas of virgins. So this is what happened when the serial killer has power and money and can do whatever they want.

Yeah. So they instead of go out there and hide and hunt, they just like, come here, let me experiment. Exactly. So serial killers these days, their favorite is to go usually use highways, at interstate highways, and target sex workers. And so, but imagine if these people had more power, people cared less, I mean, even though police cares,

so little bot sex workers, I don't agree with it, but you know what I'm saying, right? But imagine if these serial killers just had all the money in the world could get away with it, you know? And they had a castle to do this in. To be like, hey, go bring me victims into my castle. And then all these victims were like,

I was invited to the castle. Of course, you know? What the heck? Do you guys remember that torture episode that I did with Kellyanne Bates, the case with Kellyanne Bates, and Suzanne Kapper? Well, Elizabeth Bathroy was one of the beginners of winter torture. So she would take girls out in the dead of winter, completely naked, make them lie in the snow, poor cold water on them, watch them freeze to death, and just leave them out there in the snow. Because she thought it was he-he-ha-ha, and like the wolves will get them.

And then Nadeshi would come home for these short visits, right? And you're thinking, okay, like during these visits, they're gonna just like be in their room, make and love, like doing all this cute shit. Like, oh my god, he's been gone for so long, right? No, he would be like, hey, do you want to know what I did in war? Bring me some servants and I'll show you exactly what I did. And so servants would come into the room and he would literally torture them. As he did in war and he would show a list of it, and he's like, this is what I learned in war. It's like, you know what happened today at work? Yeah, let me show you. Yeah. Yeah. And so Elizabeth would continue torturing with the desi and during the spring time, he taught her to cover the servants and honey completely naked, tie them up outside

and insects would swarm the body. And if the girls would pass out from all of the pain of that because you're talking bees, you're talking all of these crazy animals come out, how do you wake up girls when they're falling unconscious because of pain? Well, this is what you do. You get oiled up pieces of paper. You light them on fire and you place them in between the toes, the webbing of the toes of the girls. And they will 100% wake up if they're unconscious in pain. What? Yeah. Yeah. Because they wanted reactions from the torture. They were sadistic. A lot of these

girls were left outside, eaten alive, and eventually seasonal was just too little time. Like she was like, okay, so in the spring, I need to stock up on honey and then, you know, in the winter, it's so cold. I have to watch these girls freeze to death, but I'm just so cold. And so Elizabeth was like, Count Nadesting, my wonderful husband. Can you build me a torture chamber? It means like absolutely anything for you love. And so in the basement of the castle, he let her have any device, any piece of furniture, anything she wanted for her torture chamber.

This was like HGTV, Oncrack, Torture version, serial killer, interior designer, architectural digest. Crazy. Okay, so she would do crazy things in there. She would literally so servant mouths shut. Like servant girls, so she would do crazy things in there. She would literally so servant mouths shut. Like servant girls, she'd be like, did you just breathe on me? Let me sew your mouth shut. She would shove things into the fingernails of the girls. That was her favorite. She had this metal ball cage

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I just don't understand! She would give birth to multiple children. They were all presumed to be her husband, but Elizabeth was known to have a lot of extra marital affairs, so she was allegedly having an affair with Anna, her right-hand advisor, and also a bunch of other men, so it got really confusing. Now, there was one instance where, you know how I said Elizabeth only really killed Virgin girls? Well, there was this one older woman, probably the oldest and one of the only old women that Elizabeth would kill that would happen to do with torture. So Elizabeth would kill a lot of people in court. As a ruler, she'd be like, oh my God,

you betrayed my law, killer, right? So that was a little bit different. That was her just being like a fucking judge. That was her just being like a fucking judge that was her just being like a ruler. So killer in the name of justice. In the name of justice in the court and you know her family but she was also a killer on the side she was a side hustler so this was one of those situations so there was an older servant this was actually one of Elizabeth's favorite employees like a very trustworthy older woman.

You could always lean on her. She was good at her job. She would train servant girls. She was just the best of the best. Now, I guess all of the virgin peasants were like outdoing shit. And so Elizabeth is getting upset. She's like, where are all my little virgin peasants? I don't understand.

And so she had this employee walk into her room and she said, hey, old woman, can you act like a virgin for today? Uh-huh. Now, the older woman, she's, hey, old woman, can you act like a virgin for today? Now, the older woman, this is her boss. So she's like, my countess, I don't know how I could possibly do that. I have kids and a husband and I haven't been a virgin. Oh, God, so many years, you know? And this is when Elizabeth took that straight up rejection and got so pissed that she dragged her body hair out into the woods, made her get a small log, forced this old woman to put diapers onto the log and carry it around

the castle with her. And she said from now on, that is your kid. And it got so weird to the point where Elizabeth would wake up in the middle of the night, walk herself down to the servant chambers, and violently wake up this old woman from her sleep and say, you need to breastfeed your child and shove this piece of wood into her face non-stop. Like, you need to suckle your child, you little whore. Like, she would just constantly do this. And that was it, the torture? She would constantly do this and then eventually she physically started torturing her and it was a slow and painful psychological plus physical tortured death. But why did she make do all the the the woodlocked? I don't know. She's just a sadistic crazy person. It seems like she just really really loved when people were in pain and suffering. Now that's when Nadeshi dies. So they were married for about 25 years and he left his children

and wife in the care of someone he trusted which was Elizabeth Cousin, the Count Palatine of Hungary. And her husband's death was interesting so he had an unknown illness. He was suffering from a lot of pain and at the end of his life he was unable to even walk. So I don't know if something happened during war. Some people speculate that Anna had to hex him, like had put some black magic on him because she wanted to be the only person in Elizabeth's life, but I'm not entirely sure.

But what I do know is that Elizabeth was obsessed with Nadesdi, like she loved her husband. This was one of those situations where I think because Elizabeth was very depressed in anxious at a young age, Nadesdi was like the one constant person that she could be like, oh, well this is my husband, he can't leave me like we're together forever. And so she was really, really sad about him leaving, and she didn't have anyone else to torture people with. She was like, oh my god, I thought he was

going to retire from the war, and we would just go on and torture everyone for the rest of our lives, and happy, marital bliss. So it was just a shit show. Soon afterwards her older brother dies, so she's like, oh my god, everyone's dropping dead like flies, what the forks going on. So she had to travel back from her current castle to her family's castle, you know? So she gets into the carriage, she's got like this little driver, like an Uber, and she's got all these servant girls in the carriage with her to take care of her during this trip, to emotionally support her, do anything that they need to do for her.

And during this, she was so anxious about seeing her family again, that she tortured all of the servant girls that were with her during this trip till they died. And so she would stop, like miles along the way, on the way to the next castle and she would say, just driver, stop the carriage, and they would bury the servant girl. They would keep driving. Driver, stop the carriage, and they would bury another servant girl.

God damn, just this. Yeah. The psychological trauma, I mean, I even trauma, like knowing that you're just gonna die just by being around this woman. Like, you see it coming, you know it's gonna happen. But like, what can you do? She would literally kill you for just like breathing. Okay, so she would kill girls just because she wanted to kill girls.

But sometimes she would even kill you just by accidentally being a tiny bit clumsy near her. It's like the tiktok easy. Yeah, like if you... Yeah! Is that not crazy? So she would do this multiple times because she would have multiple trips outside of her castle after this. So she went to the coronation of King Mateus,

who was the new king of Transylvania and Hungary, or the new king of Hungary, right? So she went to go CMB, crowned, and I guess like this gave her a lot of stress because she would torture people, like her servants along the way. So a lot of psychologists believe that she had anxiety and stress of social events.

So she would heavily torture people because she was a sadistic killer. So it would ease the stress. So in modern day comparison, it's like when you see serial killers have tumultuous lives and like something big happens in their personal life and they go on a killing rampage. So it's kind of like that connection,

but like seems normal back in the day. They like made it sound so normal. They're just like, she's just like a socially anxious person. What? So this is when the blood as a youth serum evolves, okay? So one day she's sitting on her little chair and her servants are brushing her hair because she doesn't brush her own hair. And one of the servant girls brushes her hair too hard. She's not even thinking about torture at this point. She just gets pissed. She's like, how dare you brush

my hair a little too hard. So she grabs her hand, slaps her across the face so hard that this servant girl, I think she had like a tooth fall out or something But she's bleeding out of the mouth and it splurts onto Elizabeth's face So all of the servant girls are like, oh fork we're all dead now, right? And Elizabeth calmly looks into the mirror and she's angrily about to wipe the blood off of her face While she's thinking about the next move,, do I bring her into the chamber? Do I fill her up in a bath tub? Like, what am I gonna do now, right?

And she sees, wait a minute, I just wipe the blood off of my face, but my skin appears to be smoother there. So she looks back up at that young servant girl and she decides young blood is what she needs to stop the aging process. So she just started smearing blood all over the place, like all over her. I can't even imagine what that castle smelled like because like you know how we talk about

modern day crime and we're like, this smell of decomposition, you could smell it a while away. They knew exactly what that smell was. I'm like, what did this castle smell like? Like she just says blood everywhere. And they didn't even have like crazy cool vacuums back in the day. So like, how could you even get that out of the wood? Yeah. It'd be insane. And so I mean, the torture would be prolonged. So one day Elizabeth is so sick, she doesn't die unfortunately, but she's so sick that she couldn't even get out of bed. So she gets

one of her little servants to grab another servant, forces her to hold her down next to the bed, and she just started munching on her, like literally taking bites out of her shoulder, her face, her neck, her arm, and just chewed on her breast, and she was bleeding everywhere, and she would just like smear her face onto that blood, like she would motorboat the blood. Like it was insane, so she would bring girls in by like it was insane so she would bring girls in by like 10 girls at a time and make them lay down in her bedroom and they would just torture cut them bite them until their blood was covering all of the floor and then she would just like roll around in it because it's like a

youth serum. Oh my god. Now where does it all fall apart? Well one day a young servant girl dies in the middle of the night and her body was placed into a casket, right? So the local pastor was called to come and get the casket. Now you're probably wondering what about the other like allegedly 650 victims that she has killed. So this castle was filled with dead bodies. Like they had dead bodies shoved into the chimneys of the castle.

They had dead bodies buried in the backyard. They had dead bodies buried around theneys of the castle. They had dead bodies buried in the backyard. They had dead bodies buried around the land of the castle. They had literally a room in the basement where there was just like dead bodies in there. Because the Elizabeth was like, I'm killing them faster than I can get rid of them. And I can't even get people to get rid of them because I'm killing all my servants. So it was just like kind of a shitcho. She was like, I mean, I'm killing my servants, but then I need servants to get rid of the servants that I just killed. But then I'm like so busy trying to kill them. But it's like getting so complex, you know?

And she's like, I need to think of a better way to dispose of these bodies. So she calls the local pastor and is like, hey, you need to come get the servant girl, like girl, she's dead now, right? So the pastor comes, this is very normal. It can be called into the castle to get dead bodies. So he's expecting the normal setup, which is the servant girl would still be in her servant bed. And he would pray for her, he would bless her, then he would place her into the casket because what kind of royal is like, oh yeah, let me do it myself, you know? Nobody, they're just like take her away. And so he comes, but she's already in the casket and the casket's been nailed shut.

So he's like, okay, that's a little weird. And so he asks her, hey, is there any reason that she's already sealed in the casket? Because I can't really pray for her right now. And she's like, oh, yeah, she has the disease. It's cholera. Cholera. Cholera. It was the disease back in the day.

That was highly contagious. The vid in the 1650s, OK? And so she's like, yeah, well, she had that. So I didn't want it to spread. So I had some servants put her in the coffin. He's like, okay. So a few days later, he gets called back again. And it was said that it was another servant girl with the disease.

And so, but this time, the casket was huge. I mean, it was huge enough to fit like three full grown men. So he's like, I mean, is there any reason that you do you guys just have like only huge caskets in this castle? Like, what's going on? And he starts walking around the castle and he could hear these little whispers. Everyone's like, did you know that there's like three girls inside that casket over there?

There's like three girls in there. And he's like, huh? So he goes up to Elizabeth and he's like, Hey, countess, I don't mean to bother you, but how many girls are in that casket? It's just for prayer purposes. And she says, two, two, why are they are in that casket? It's just for prayer purposes and she says two, two? Why are they in the same casket? Well one of the girls died and another one was close to death so we waited it out and put them in the single casket because we're all about sustainability. So he was like oh so it's for financial reasons you didn't want to use another casket?

Okay okay with that I guess that makes sense I mean you know obviously beggars can't be choosers I'll just take the casket and so he takes the casket but he was suspicious now at this point when he gets back into the local village he's telling everyone like guys I think something weird's happening and there's something very very strange is happening in there and that's when all of the peasant families were like I've been fucking telling you guys, I've been telling you, my daughter has not come back and I'm pretty sure she's dead and no one wants to listen to me because I'm a pe- I'm a peasant with this pastor, suddenly it's like some shit's going down and now everyone's like, oh my god. So even the nobles, like the low ranking nobles who were living in the

nearby towns, they were hearing these whispers about you. So everybody thought nobody has died. Yeah, because they were like, who really trust these peasants? You know, we're not going to go and bring these allegations forth against accountists because of peasant family. Oh, you know, back in the day it was really weird. And so eventually she ran out of peasant virgins to go through. So these peasant families were no longer giving their virgins up to Elizabeth, because they're like, no, like we'd rather just make money on our own,

because you're going to kill our kid. So she starts seeking noble blood. She's like, well, if I can't get peasant, what's the next level up, which is noble blood. So think like middle class people, I guess. And so she's like, let me go get them middle class. And so she would send out her little assistance to all these Noble families the lowest ranking noble families and say hey, so you know countis Elizabeth

Was she just opened up an exclusive Finishing school and it's absolutely prestigious. It's gonna be the best one in Hungary and you are gonna learn how to be you Are gonna learn how to be a woman you're gonna learn how to make connections with powerful men, and hopefully you too, will marry a count one day. And so all of these noble girls were like, oh my God, I need to go, I need to go to this finishing school, mom, did you hear? They're gonna have counts come.

I'm gonna meet a Lord one day, I'm gonna marry, I'm gonna get married to a king, oh my God. And so all these noble families were like, wait a minute, but we've been hearing some weird ass rumors. So before we send our daughter, we're gonna go ask the king of hungry, king Mateus. And so they approach king Mateus and they say, hey, is everything okay in that castle? Because we've been hearing some really crazy shit, okay? And so king Mateus immediately decides to send people to investigate. Now does he do this because he's an amazing king

because he just loves noble families. He loves people, he loves peasants. No, it's because King Mateus was looking to take down Elizabeth. Elizabeth had landed his court, the crown, a lot of money, a lot of money a lot of money so King Mateus was power rich but like cash pour and you know Elizabeth Bathrey she comes from a line of just fucking cash loaded bitches okay yeah that's

exactly what they were called historically speaking cash loaded bitches and so she was like yeah I'll loan you some money so she would loan the money he owed her a ton he was indebted to her. Not only that, remember when I said, a lot of men, especially back in the day, are highly offended and scared of powerful woman. It just wasn't common in the 1500s. And she was, she had more power than most men in power.

So he was like, I'm gonna take down that hoe because I just don't know. I just don't know what a woman in power is like. I can't have it, not in my land that I will. And so he was like, yeah, yeah, go investigate. So they sent Elizabeth's cousin, the one that was actually like, you know, supposed to take care of her and the kids.

And so he goes to the castle and he, like, Elizabeth is smart, like I said. She knew some shit was going on. The minute that he came, she was like, oh my god, King Matthias is probably investigating me, right? So immediately, she starts talking to him of some weird stuff. Like, they will sit down for some little high tea and she's like, let me tell you something crazy, cousin. And he's like, yeah, what? And she's like, well, you know how I started a finishing school for noble girls? Well, one of the

noble girls was just so jealous of the other noble girl that she went into a jealous rage and murdered all of the girls. It's just such an inconvenience. Like, what is that story, you know? And like, he didn't believe her, so he's like, okay, that doesn't make any sense. So she knew, she's pretty good at this.

She's like, okay, like obviously he doesn't believe my dumb ass lie. So she starts making arrangements, She writes a will she be queets everything to her three children The only thing she wanted to keep was her wedding dress which she would be buried in so she does all of this and Suddenly as the cousin is investigating all of these witnesses start coming forward to testify and they're like oh my god I've seen some of the torture inside these walls some of them are like oh, yeah She even made me torture some people like some people are like I fell on partoken this I was you know an accomplice in this it just was intense and they always said the cause of death for most Servant girls that died in here was torture. It wasn't a disease. It wasn't anything. It was always torture

She loves torturing people and that's when he starts seeing bodies just coming up left and right. Fucking in the chimneys buried outside in the local graveyard around the castle inside the castle. He opened up a door. He literally wrote a letter to his wife and was like, I, it felt like I walked into the castle and tripped over dead bodies. Like I just just everywhere. Like I, what? And what made it even worse is that some of the nobles, like some of the noble girls, they weren't even- They weren't even trying to go to the finishing school. Some of them were straight up abducted, abducted, he learned,

that these women would go to these noble's houses and be like, we'd love to talk to your daughter outside, and then we just fucking knapper. And then bring her to the castle, and they would just kill her. They would just torture her. So it was really bad. So obviously, he turns her into King Mateus. Now at this point, Anna, the rumored Elizabeth Secret lover slash witch slash right hand advisor,

she died right before the trial of natural causes. So she couldn't testify in trial, couldn't do anything. So all of the other complices, the ones that had told the cousin like, hey, I saw an eye took part in it because she forced me to. They were all tried and they were convicted for the murder of at least 80 girls, speculated to be 650 girls. And all of them were executed. Now is that the end of the story? No it's not because Elizabeth

was never tried. Elizabeth's alive. So during all of this they also found Elizabeth's diary and it was turned in by a servant girl who was cleaning and found her diary, turned it into the cousin and it was a diary of a list of all of the names belonging to all of the victims. There were upwards of 655 names in that diary. What made it even worse is that she would write shit next to the diary about how they died and one of the like girls she wrote written next to her, she was too small, couldn't handle the torture, really annoyed that she couldn't live longer. Like something along the lines of like, I'm so frustrated that she died so quickly, because she couldn't handle the pain.

Now the reason that Elizabeth was never tried was because she is a noble family member. Now it was against the law to try anyone that was a noble. So like imagine if we're like, it's against the law to try anyone that was a noble. So imagine if it's against the law to try rich people. Like what? Yeah, because rich people said the law. Yeah, and they said we can't make an exception. So all of the nobles, they could obviously come together and say, oh no, we will make an exception.

But all of them said, fuck no, don't you dare try her. Because obviously if we make one exception, it's gonna be another exception. And do you know how many people I've got in my castle that are dead? No, no, not today. No, today, I'm not going to court for nothing. So all of them were like, nope, we can't have that. We can't have any of these peasants thinking that nobles are bad

or beneath the law that we have to follow the law just like that. No, we're different. We're not like you and me, right? So they were just really, really mad. Now on top of that, Elizabeth had lent King Mateus a lot of money, like I said. And so he decides to come up with this genius plan that really benefits him, which is that she wouldn't

stand trial, and he would cancel her debts. So he doesn't owe her any money. What? In return, she doesn't have to stand trial for this. She won't be tried as a noble, but she would have a very specific punishment that is literally house arrest. So there are a couple different sources, so some people say that she was literally just locked into her bedroom.

They boarded up the windows, they boarded up the door. There was only this small little slot that food would be administered to her every day, and then other sources say that she was literally allowed throughout the entire castle. So she was just on like house arrest. She couldn't go visit other castles, but that was it. So she's back in her torture chamber? Yeah. She never really left her castle to begin with because she has social anxiety.

Uh huh, yeah. Yeah, but like, she was like, how's the rest? Yeah. This is a make-ady sense. Yeah, made no sense. And she died quietly. Yep. She just died.

She was like, 50-something. Now, a lot of people afterwards even were concerned because, you know, how she kept using blood for youth. She lived a lot longer than a lot of people during that time. She was like, 50-something or something like that. Also, people were saying. People were like, a lot of people during that time. She's like 50-something or something like that. Also people are saying. People were like, a lot of nobles were raising their eyebrows like, fascinating.

Very weird. Now, to be fair, if you guys have watched the fifth season of American Horror Story, it's loosely based off of Elizabeth. So they have a character by the name of Countess Elizabeth Johnson, who was played by Lady Gaga, and she would slit the throats of victims in order to drink their blood and remain eternally youthful. So I mean, I feel like Elizabeth Bathory is the sole purpose and the reason that all to this day there is like such a weird connection between blood and youth. Isn't that very dangerous to consume blood?

Yeah. Disease and illness. There's so much disease and illness in blood, yeah. Oh, it's a miracle that she lived till 50 something. Yeah. I think that she was bathing in it more maybe. Oh. Like she was really just smothering it on her face,

like a toner. She's like ooh serum. Yeah I wonder how many more you know these people who are just killing torturing people because it was it lesbian and His freaking husband her her husband are doing this. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I mean every castle is filled with dead people. I think so. That's why I think a lot of castles are probably haunted. Also, a lot of people speculate, like, you know, they were convicted for 80. How do we know it's 650? But back in the day, especially,

there was no incentive to try to get no deride for murder. Like, that's not what Elizabeth was trying to be known for. She wasn't doing this for attention. So I highly doubt that this number was just created out of her Ask because she wanted people to like be like, oh my gosh and remember her forever because likely because of her social Standing and being a battery she would be in history books. She would be remembered forever regardless of whatever she did. Yeah, so I just can't imagine because some people are skeptical about that number because it seems insane and today's Standards, but I think back in the day really it's not too crazy, which is so sad. Yeah, so casual and not

But also people really had no voice. There was no TikTok that you could go on and be like, oh my god Yeah, my kids been kidnapped. I mean let me know what are your thoughts on this case? And you guys like these older cases because I find them so fascinating. I mean obviously It's not gonna be as relatable as crimes that happened, you know yesterday or this year, but it's just insane I feel like it's more insane back in the day because they can get away with it for so longer like no CCTV No fucking social media, no no DNA. So let me know in the comments, no comments. Let me know and I hope you guys enjoyed and I'll see you guys next week. Bye!

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