Rotten Mango - #36- Sexton Family Cult Murders (Case of Eddie Sexton & His Incestuous Family)

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

They saw their dad as a "Half God" - the product of Lucifer mating with humans.  They followed his every command whether it was - marrying him, fathering children with his daughter, having sexual rel...ations with their own siblings, or even killing people who learned of his secrets.  He led the FBI on a massive manhunt that would ultimately lead to the unraveling of his secret cult.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:38 I demand it from you. I feel like family secrets are one of those things that's just so creepy. Like when you hear about it, you feel like you're invading someone's privacy. It just feels so startling and uncomfortable and you don't know how to respond. Because you can't just be like, oh, you know how families are. Yeah. Aw, forked up. Aw, forked up. Okay. And the reason that I get so into family drama is because there are so many threads on Reddit that says,
Starting point is 00:01:05 hey, please anonymously post your deepest darkest family secret here, and we will all judge you anonymously. And I scroll through that like three in the morning. That is the shit that I am on right now. Okay. And so one of the entries says, after my uncle died, we discovered that he had a second wife whom he spent most of his time with. Literally no one on either side of the family knew about this for over 25 years. He also has purchased the same similar layout house, same furniture, same everything, and the houses were almost identical, like mirroring each other and like what Brand Sofah was facing, what direction in front of the TV, with what decorations, what kind of pillows, and it probably helped him keep his story straight.
Starting point is 00:01:44 It wasn't until after he died that the two families found out about each other. Oh, so both families didn't know each other existed? No. Oh, that's pretty fascinating. Is that not insane? What if they both had sons and he named them both John? But then once in a while, in the true crime world, we will have cases where all the headlines say the most depraved family in America, the most disgusting family in America. Look, all of these things, right? And I feel like we're on the stage where we had that recently.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Man, how many years ago was it in California with the story of the family who had the 12 children locked up in their house? And it was this huge ordeal, right? And I might do that for a minute so, but today, oh today, I am talking about one of the most disgusting families in the history of my brain. Like, I can't even think of one family that's more nasty than this family. This family is so gross. I can't believe no one's doing like crazy deep dive psych... like psychiatric hospitals need to study their brains because it's insane. Now when I say family, I mainly mean the parents because I feel like they dictate what the children do and all of that. So this is the sexton family and their house of secrets.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Yeah, their name is the sexton family. SCX, T-I-N? T-O-N, yeah, it's just going to make it all worse, right? So do you guys know about in-breeding avoidance? So in-breeding avoidance, I did some research on this because I was kind of fascinated. I was like, what as humans makes us so repulsed to the idea of like seeing our siblings naked
Starting point is 00:03:17 or like seeing our parents do it? Because we all feel repulsed. We're all like, that's disgusting. I wanna die, right? But like, is there something in our brain is that the mechanism that we have, or is that just because maybe you know them for so long, that it's because it's nasty,
Starting point is 00:03:31 like what I feel the same way about a family friend? So it's called inbreeding avoidance, and it's something that your brain develops, and it's like literally in your genes. Did you know even plants don't like to do incest? Plants. So many plants have in breeding avoidance in their genetics where they will reject their own pollen or close genetic pollens.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And then interesting, they'll literally just like expel it from their system and not procreate with it. Okay. Rats and mice are also similar, so if you put them in like a big box, they are less attracted and less likely to mate with their close relatives. Which is crazy because you think rats are like a free-for-all. Have you seen them in New York City? Like you think that they have no morals, no ethics, nothing. But they're just like, oh, I can't fuck my sister. Come on, that's nasty. You know, which is crazy. So it's crazy to me that so many animals have this just genetically embedded in them,
Starting point is 00:04:27 but some humans are just like, yeah, incest, that's cool. Like what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't make sense. So what is it? Your brain just makes you feel gross? Yeah, makes you feel gross, and it also, oh, this is what's fascinating. They're doing studies about this, and I don't know how far along the studies are, if it's like a major priority, so maybe they're not even getting funded. But there's a study that if you are dating someone who's not your relative, but they have a close genes to you, like not even saying like your cousin, right? But someone who has very similar genetics, like I don't even know what they're called.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Okay. That's very similar to you. You're less likely to be happy in your marriage. Now, I don't know if that is a factor to anything. That's very similar to you. You're less likely to be happy in your marriage. Now, I don't know if that is a factor to anything. That's why I said this study is really weird. It seems like maybe you just don't like people with your same genes. Maybe that's why people say opposites attract.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Because they're like, there's no way you're my brother. Let's fuck. Like maybe that's the mind-clap of opposites attract. Like, I don't know. Isn't it so weird? There's also the opposite effect, though, that I was briefly reading about. So don't quote me on any of this, okay,
Starting point is 00:05:30 until we get into the crime. Apparently, if you were separated from a certain family member at birth, and then you later meet them down in the line, you might become obsessive over them. And that might, in your brain, trick you to believe that you were romantically in love with them. And that's why very sometimes rarely, we will see those stories about how a mother and son them and that might in your brain trick you to believe that you are romantically in love with them.
Starting point is 00:05:45 And that's why very sometimes rarely we will see those stories about how a mother and son were reunited after she gave them up for adoption and then they started getting romantically involved. Oh yeah. Yeah, but it's because your brain just somehow becomes obsessed with this person and you trick yourself into believing that you romantically love this person. But not necessarily true. But obviously with cases like incest, it's hard to get studies done because nobody is just like, oh yeah, let me just apply for this fucking incest survey. Cause usually,
Starting point is 00:06:14 you know, they're not trying to like tell the world. Okay. It's very odd. So Eddie Lee sexton, let me tell you about this motherfucker. So Eddie Lee Sexton, he was born May 12th in 1942 in a very rural area of Logan, West Virginia. He was the youngest of 10 children. His entire family was like a family of coal miners. They were really really poor. Like that was one thing that really irked Eddie's gears because Eddie was like I deserved to be rich and they were not rich And he was just bothered by it. He didn't like how people looked at him. He didn't like any of that And so his dad was a preacher on the side and his mom was particularly obsessed with him because he was the youngest son She would force all of the other children to go do chores around the house
Starting point is 00:06:56 And she would be like Eddie come here like sit on my lap and he would sit on her lap Like a full grown boy and he would just she would just like read in books would sit on her lap like a full grown boy and he would just she would just like read in books which is just really alarming and it makes me really uncomfortable okay while all the other kids are doing chores and so eventually the dad passes away and mom gets like a stroke so she becomes de-abilitated so she can't really do much so this made the whole family in financial ruins the rest of the children they had to go find work they had to go mine coal and stuff to support their mom and support the family. But Eddie never had to mine coal because he was a mama's boy. Yeah, the mom was like, not Eddie though. We don't want
Starting point is 00:07:34 him to get all dirty in that coal mine. So he would just stay home. And while he was staying home, he was just really upset that he was poor. So he would do these crazy activities. He just really wanted to be someone who had power someone who had money Someone who had influence someone who could make other people do things He was like full-on wanted to be a cult leader ever since he was like 13 years old Obviously he starts displaying these like psychopathic tendencies He started getting these clothing lines hanging them up and then hung chickens along the line upside down and would in a row cut off their heads with a machete. Yeah and that was considered his fun time.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Imagine what the dude does when he's like stressed. What's going on? He's... He just like really liked it. That's his entry of abusing animals. Yeah like was like, this feels good. This feels right. Like I finally have power. I am stronger than these chickens. I can dictate what happens in this chicken's life. Okay, okay. It's so interesting. I find people who are obsessed with power
Starting point is 00:08:37 to be very fascinating people. Like sometimes I understand the fascination with other things, like even maybe fame, I understand the fascination because it's like, maybe fame I understand the fascination because it's like oh like maybe the attention feels like love Even money I understand the fascination because maybe you have like this mindset of like guarding your resources, right? I get that but like power. I'm like, why would you want power? What are you gonna do with it? Like what's so fun about it? Like money you can buy food You know fame maybe you get free food.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Obviously, I'm a one track mind to food right now. But like, power, he was just obsessed with it. And so he would briefly went into the army and realized he didn't like it because the army is the type of place where you go in and you get yelled at. No one is like, oh my god, you're so smart. Oh my god, you're so good at that. They're like, fucking get up, cadet. And so he had six months there. He was discharged for bad conduct because he never worked a day in his life. Like, how is he going to survive in the army?
Starting point is 00:09:33 Now at 15 or no, 21 years old, he gets a 15 year old girl pregnant. Okay. Yeah. So then he marries her. The day after their little elotement, like the day after their wedding, he robs the gas station, but on his way out, he decides that he's gonna beat up the gas station attendant with a tire iron. He was just like, thanks for all the money, but like, let me beat you the fuck up before I go. So it was just a very weird situation. He was arrested, he went to prison for five years, and that's where he learned all of his skills. So in prison, he learned that power dynamics and manipulating people to get what you want is the most important thing in life
Starting point is 00:10:08 because in prison, that is the most important thing. In prison, if you don't understand the power dynamics, you're done. You're getting shivered. If you don't get people to do things that you want, you're just gonna have a boring time in prison. And so he learns all of this by force because he's trapped inside of this cell. And he also learns from his nice new prison friends, some way to get money. How to fake disability for government checks. After he got out.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Yeah, that was like a thing that they taught in prison. I think it was like a full-on class. I mean, it was really crazy because once he got out, he would get more than $50,000 a year in disability checks, which is a ton of money. And this isn't like the 60s. So it's a lot of money. So he gets out of prison.
Starting point is 00:10:50 His wife immediately divorces him and takes his son away because she's like, no, like you're a prison person. Like I need a real husband. And so he goes back to committing crimes and he finally finds his wife forever. Her name is Estella May. Estella May.
Starting point is 00:11:06 We're gonna call her May. That's what a lot of people call her, but I don't like her. Okay, she's a very pretty name, but I don't like her. So they decide to get married. They settle down in Stark County, Ohio, and they would have 12 children together. 12.
Starting point is 00:11:19 She was popping out of baby pretty much every single year that they were together. It was absolutely insane, right? So a lot of problems come with having 12 children. I'm sure there's a lot of health risk, health complications, but mainly a lot of money problems too because 12 children, that's a lot of clothing, that's a lot of food, that's a lot of education, that's a lot of space that you need, right? And Eddie despised hard work.
Starting point is 00:11:41 So he was like, how am I going to do this? How am I going gonna raise 12 children? Be the provider when I hate working. And so he would literally just fake disability checks. Like he would buy a hospital bed and buy a wheelchair and anytime government people came around, he would literally just like wheelchair around act like he can't walk.
Starting point is 00:11:59 He would say that he's blind. He would literally fake being blind. And he would get more checks because they were like, God damn, he's blind. He can't work, obviously. He would send government photos, like the government, he would send them photos of him lying in the hospital bed that he bought, like blacklisted, like a black market hospital bed. I don't even know if you can buy those legally, but he's like, I bought one, I put it in this room, he would like take a little selfie, like, look at me. And they just send it to government workers and they'd be like oh man, I need these sextons in the hospital again
Starting point is 00:12:31 Really crazy no Yeah, now when the government wasn't around he would do some odd jobs like a painter and a handyman He would get cash for these jobs He would set his house on fire three times to get insurance money. And on multiple of those occasions, his children were inside the house, because he needed to make it look real. So he would literally be like, hey, don't move,
Starting point is 00:12:53 don't leave this room, or I'll beat the shit out of you, and then set the house on fire. And then call 911. Like frantic, like, oh my god, what do I do? Wow. Yeah, he would fake burglaries. He would say would say oh my gosh this item was stolen from me he would get insurance money out of it but eventually he decided this isn't enough money I need more I need more money and so he decided to do what a lot of lucrative people do he became
Starting point is 00:13:19 a preacher. Can I say that? What do you mean? He was like, this is where the shmoney is at. I'm going to be a preacher. So like, obviously, his way of becoming a preacher was very much like a cult preacher type vibes. Like, he wasn't trying to like, really spread the gospel, spread the word. He was really trying to spread his pockets. So what he did is he got a mail order license, which is you apply and then you get a license to preach. I don't know that was the thing in the mail. And so obviously he didn't go through like a school, he didn't go through training, he didn't get a mentor
Starting point is 00:13:53 who is a preacher, who's just like, no, I'm just going to do it. And he started preaching at a local church. Now in the beginning, people loved him. People were like, wow, you are meant to preach. Like you're so charismatic, you're so good with your words you've got this big beautiful family and Wow you're a godly man right and then slowly slowly he started losing all of his followers because he started saying some shit that was very confusing So it went from literally just straight up textbook Christian right and everyone was like yes like, yes, the Bible. And then he was like, did you guys know? Hello Christians, did you guys know that Lucifer was not the only angel that was cast out of heaven.
Starting point is 00:14:32 So the story in Christianity goes as Lucifer was an angel and because he betrayed God, he was no longer allowed to be an angel and he was cast down onto earth, right? So the devil, something like that. I grew up as a Christian, but obviously I didn't pay attention. Sorry, please correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, so anyways, Lucifer was cast out of heaven.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Now, Eddie Lee's ex-dent was like, did you know he's not the only one? Did you know God actually cast out a bunch of other angels and they came to earth and they started marrying humans. And so among us, we've got these like half angel half humans that are walking among us and I am the son of Lucifer. And it was just like really. I was just like, yeah, and it was just a lot like I once like this story, he was
Starting point is 00:15:17 trying to tell his congregation that men can also be half gods, which then would mean that half gods are superior to just regular men. So is he trying to start his own coat? Oh yeah, yeah, this is like the setup, right? But it just didn't work. So he was like preaching a little bit of Satanism, a little bit of a pentacostalism, which is pentacostalism. I can never say it right. It's a form of Christianity and so every form of Christianity kind of has a different way of you know showing their faith right and Pentecostalism is when you have a direct experience and presence of God by the believers so they believe that faith needs to be powerfully experimental, experiential and not something that's like founded like rituals or
Starting point is 00:16:04 thinking. It's like energetic and dynamic and they's like found in like rituals or thinking. It's like energetic and dynamic, and they're like the types that like you need to feel the Holy Spirit, not just like read about it, right? So they're very not as much by the books in terms of like that, but they just like want you to be in the presence. Like that's their thing. I mean, they're really great people, right? And it's great idea.
Starting point is 00:16:22 It was very confusing for people to understand what the fuck are you preaching? Like, am I supposed to be worshiping Satan right now or my worshiping God? Because if I'm worshiping God, then I'm told that I can't worship Satan. Like, I don't understand any of this. So he claimed that he was a descendant from angels who were cast down and married men. He was the son of Lucifer, right? Now slowly everyone stops, everyone stops coming to this church because it was getting real culty. There was a little bit of Christianity,
Starting point is 00:16:50 there was a little bit of Satanism, there was a little bit of like sci-fi involved because he was like, so then like these angels come and then they like have sex with humans and it was just like getting really star wars to eat a little bit on the side and it was just so strange. And then there was like witchcraft,
Starting point is 00:17:04 everyone was just like This is not what I signed up for like I really just came here to read John 316 and now you are telling me that you were the son of Lucifer So it was a lot so as he's losing these followers He's getting really upset. He's like what the fuck like I need this power. I need people to listen to me Why aren't they listening to me Estella? Why't they listening to me? Estella, why aren't they listening to me? And Estella is like, well, shit, I don't know. And so she's like, but I believe you. And the kids were like, I believe you, dad.
Starting point is 00:17:33 And so he's like, okay, well, if I can't have a cult at church, I can make my own little cult. I can turn my family into the most intense cult, into a blind cult that will only worship me. So he starts heavily abusing his family. Their family mantra that he would, you know how like I said in the last podcast, everyone's got a slogan,
Starting point is 00:17:58 you know, all these insurance companies got a slogan, well, their family had a slogan that he would make the kids chant, which was until 16 you get the belt after that you get the fist. What? So like until you're 16 years old you get whipped by a belt if you don't listen to him and then after you're 16 you get the fist, you get punched in the face if you don't listen. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Yeah, that was like his thing and both of the parents would repeatedly beat the children on a daily basis. Yeah, it was confusing. It's going to get worse. Now, outside the house, they had something very interesting. They had a statue of Jesus. And it looked very holy. It looked like a nice little statue of Jesus.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And you're like, oh, this dude's Christian, right? But when you walked up close to it, they had cut off Jesus' hands on the statue, which I'm like, how is this not illegal? Like, it always feels illegal when weird stuff is done to religious things, right? I'm like, this feels really cancelable and incorrect and illegal, you know? And then he would just draw blood dripping from the, like, why would you even put that outside your door? Like, why is that even a thing that you do? Like, what comes to your mind where you're like, oh, let me do this, right? And then most of the time inside of the house they were only allowed to use candle light.
Starting point is 00:19:08 They weren't allowed to turn their lights on, so they would literally sit around all freaking 14 of them eating dinner around like one candle in the middle of that dining table. He called himself a warlock in the center of Lucifer and Estella was his number one disciple. You can thank me later, but I'm about to change your life. It's February, it's the new year. You're like, okay, I need to be healthy, I need to find work life balance right now. I need to improve my relationships. I need to eat healthier. But have you really thought about hair goals?
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Starting point is 00:21:15 Now does that mean Estella was living a stellar life? Sorry. No. So Eddie would beat his kids and one time he beat his daughter really hard and walked her into the closet. Then while she was inside of this tiny little closet, he grabs the local cockroach spray, the local, the one that was right next to him, okay, a cockroach spray. And he sprays it underneath the closet door until they could hear her pass out. Like she thumped against the closet door because she had passed out. And so he walks away. The mom
Starting point is 00:21:45 gets concerned, takes her out of the closet. And when he finds out that Estella took her out of the closet, he dragged his wife in front of all 12 of his kids and beat her up. So they constantly saw him beat her. One time he yelled a loaded shotgun to Estella's head and threatened her, right? And he would actually do this with all of his children too. So it was intense. The children and Estella firmly 1,000% believed that Eddie Lee Sexton was a descendant of God, had supernatural powers, could have telepathy with other descendants of God,
Starting point is 00:22:17 and had the ability to summon ghosts and spirits. So they've been so tortured and... Brainwashed. Yeah. So they fully believe it. Yeah. Wow. But that's not what it was happening. Like he would literally turn the kids against each other. So he would say, Hey, if anyone fucks up under this roof, then you have to tell me, right? But when he would go to punish that kid that allegedly did something wrong, he wouldn't tell him, Oh, your brother, Johnny told me he'd be like, the spirits came and told me. And they'd be like, how would you know that unless the spirits actually came and told you?
Starting point is 00:22:51 Because they're like five when this all starts, like four younger when it all starts, right? And so they truly, truly genuinely believe that he has these powers. So they also had a dead cat initiation where they all sat around at a candlelit dinner, they gathered around, and all the children were waiting for dinner, you know, because they're like, this is a dinner. But when Eddie walks into the room,
Starting point is 00:23:13 he's holding up a cat, and he tells them that in order for spirits to be happy with you, you need to keep sacrificing things to them. And he slit the cat's throat in front of all of his children. And then that day he made the children sign a contract in their own blood stating that they will go to hell if they ever disobey him, like a blood contract. Now when you're like six, I was scared to write my name in red ink because there's a Korean superstition that you're gonna die. And so imagine you'll sign something in your own blood and your parents are like, yeah, this is gonna happen.
Starting point is 00:23:50 There was also allegations of a fetus sacrifice. This is where it gets really dark. So there's actually a book out there that I recommend you reading if you've got the stomach for it. It's called House of Secrets, and it's about the sex and family and all of their crimes. And they had a fetus sacrifice. So Estella would have a lot of miscarriages, which I know that these days it's more open to talk about it, but miscarriages are pretty common, but it would be more common because
Starting point is 00:24:15 she was having a lot of children, you know. And so whenever she would have a miscarriage, she would take the fetus that was miscarried, chopped it up, boiled it, and made the whole family consume the fetus. Actually? Yes. And then he would ask the dead fetus to come speak to the rest of his children. And he probably said some shit like, hey, I'm dead,
Starting point is 00:24:35 but you better listen to your dad, or I'll kill you. Like some fucked up shit, you know, manipulative stuff like he always did. So the children attended public schools. Now, that is shocking because usually in situations like this they will completely pull them out of the school system, say they're quote unquote home schooling them, but really they're not in situations of like intense like cult like families. They won't necessarily let them go to school, but Eddie had a lot of rules for them.
Starting point is 00:25:01 So every single morning before they went to school he would give them one quarter each. Are you you're thinking lunch money? You're thinking ooh go to that vending machine, get a lot of rules for them. So every single morning before they went to school, he would give them one quarter each. Are you thinking lunch money? You're thinking, ooh, go to that vending machine, get a bag of cheeses, bitch, like it's your lucky day. No, he would say, if you ever see your siblings talking to a guidance counselor or a teacher by themselves, you run to the pay phone and you call me immediately. So they were all snitching on each other.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah, he also said that they were only allowed to have one friend each. They couldn't have more than one friend. They you could only talk to one other student ever the whole day. And that's it. Only one friend. And you're not allowed to visit that said friends house. And you're not allowed to let them come over. So it's just very odd. So like what's the point of having that friend, right? And then the abuse gets sexual. So both of the parents would force all of the children to perform sex acts on both of the parents and to the other children as well. So at the age of six he would force sons to perform Felatio on him. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:26:05 And afterwards he called it like tummy bonding time, which is really sick because I think there is another term for like tummy bond. I'm not a parent, so I have no idea. But I think it's called tummy time, where you put babies on their tummy when they're a certain age, so that they can like learn how to crawl. But like they have to be supervised.
Starting point is 00:26:23 So it's like there's a word for it. It's like tummy time, I believe. But he called this tummy bonding time, which is just a sick play on words, I think, where he would draw a smiley face onto his stomach and force his young sons to make out with that smiley face on his stomach, which I just don't understand,
Starting point is 00:26:41 but he would use the excuse that it was bonding. And so once his sons got a little bit older, he would start allowing them to get allowance. He would say, hey, do you want a dollar? Do you want a dollar? Do you want a dollar to go buy something from the vending machine today? And they would be like, yeah, I want a dollar. And so he said, okay, you can only get a dollar if you go and grope and suck on your mother's breasts.
Starting point is 00:27:03 And the mom was completely complicit. Now, you're not talking about a newborn, they're not breastfeeding, like these are like kids now, you know? And so what they were doing is definitely incest. It wasn't like, oh, you need to breastfeed and you won't breastfeed for some reason. You know, it's not a situation like that.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Not at all. So one of the sons, because he was learning from his parents about all of this sexual abuse, and kids just do a lot of very fascinating things with the information that they receive. And so he came up with this game called the Statue of Liberty Game. Now, I just want to phrase this well so I don't want to make it seem like this kid is evil because I think this kid really just took what he could from his environment because you're like constantly learning.
Starting point is 00:27:44 So one of the sons would stand like the Stat statue of Liberty in the middle of the room and he would force his younger sisters to perform Felatio on him. Now he was performing Felatio on his own father. He created this game and he thought that it was completely normal. I think it's so sad he thought he was like a child's game, like how you and I would play hide and seek if we were kids. You know, he thought, oh, like this is what people do like this is a game And so he came up with this game now one of the other sons had told the parents like casually like oh He's playing the statue of Liberty game. They're like what the fuck is that and so the son tells them all about it They start beating up that boy and they Eddie whipped him with a belt Estella clawed at him
Starting point is 00:28:25 like with her nails until he started bleeding which is such a weird way to punish a kid I mean physical abuse is never okay but like clawing at someone I just I feel like I haven't done a case like that And so he was whipped close to 50 times and the parents said sexual molestation towards your siblings is Okay, only if we order it. So like if I tell you to perform folatio on your sibling that's fine but you can't do it without my permission. Okay. Now especially Lana. So Lana was one of the younger siblings that was forced to perform folatio on her sibling but the dad, did not want anyone to touch Lana. She was specifically off limits to all of the siblings
Starting point is 00:29:09 because she was daddy's special little girl. What? He just really liked her, I guess, but not in a loving, fatherly way. Now, Eddie would also sort of mine his sons, which is like assault them in the rectum. And he would, yeah, it was just really bad. Now the mom, she would also abuse her children as well. So she would perform phalacio on her sons, yeah, like her like boy sons, like kids. She would perform
Starting point is 00:29:40 phalacio on them. She would digitally penetrate her daughters, which means, yeah, you know what that means. And then she would ask them to do the same to her. So it was really, really bad. So every Saturday, they had something called. A older day, I mean. It started since they were like young. But there are 12 of them. So let's say one of them is six to the other ones.
Starting point is 00:30:01 18. It could be like 12, 18. They, yeah, some of them were like adult children and still stood by the parents because they had been groomed since birth. Okay. So they had something called Saturday Night Dances where he would sit on an armchair
Starting point is 00:30:14 in the middle of his living room, turn on the music and make his daughters wear these short, tiny little dresses and dance sexually while he watched them. And he would critique them and like make them, you know, dance more sexually if he wasn't pleased with their performance. And then they also had wedding ceremonies. And there are pictures of this in the House of Secrets,
Starting point is 00:30:34 like they took family photos during these satanic wedding ceremonies. So that's what they called it. He would do this with every single one of his daughters. He would force them to participate. He would put a white veil on their head. He would dress them up and single one of his daughters. He would force them to participate. He would put a white veil on their head. He would dress them up and he would be the groom. He would put on a full suit.
Starting point is 00:30:50 The whole family would be there. And they would read satanic vows, exchange a mouth to mouth kiss. They would take a picture. And then the dad would lead the daughter upstairs into the master bedroom for their honeymoon to consummate the marriage. Jesus. Now, what makes it even worse is that Estelle May would oftentimes join. Yeah, so if any of you felt bad for Estelle May because you were like, oh, was she
Starting point is 00:31:15 was abused and she was probably terrified for her life? Like, yeah, maybe like the one time. But then after that, it's like you do have a duty as a mom and all of his daughters would go through this ceremony. One of them was only 12 years old when she quote unquote married her father and she recalled being molested by both of her parents while she slept with them in their master bedroom. Then the mother would do a lot of gross things. I feel like the mom was just so nasty. So Estella would tell the girls that she had to give them
Starting point is 00:31:45 breast exams and would just start fondling them while Eddie's watching. And if they were like, OK, this is weird. Please don't do this. She'd be like, I'm sorry. This is a breast exam. What are you talking about? So then she would also say that she
Starting point is 00:31:59 has to check for worms, and she would digitally sort ofize them and penetrate them, like assault them, fully, because she's checking for worms and she would digitally sodomize them and penetrate them, like assault them fully, because she's checking for worms. Now, let's talk about his first born daughter. So Estella Pixie, what Sexton was the first born daughter. So she has her mom's name. So people called her Pixie just to not get the too confused. So Pixie was the eldest daughter
Starting point is 00:32:23 and she was probably the most complicit in all of the crimes. She would actually help murder later on, and I think it really was because she was groomed. Like from start to finish, she was like the number one, like he was just really hounding in on grooming her. The way people describe their relationship is that Pixie genuinely was in love with Eddie,
Starting point is 00:32:44 but not as a dad So she genuinely like you know how they say in high school when you love a boy You think it's like the end of the world you'll do anything for them. That's kind of how pixie was with her dad She would constantly meet him in the basement so that they could do sex acts She could get raped. I mean it's it, it's so confusing because in a lot of sources, they make it sound like it was consensual, but I think that anytime it's a child, I just call it rape, you know?
Starting point is 00:33:12 So it's very confusing. And so they would constantly go down into the basement to do these activities, and it was just really, really intense. She was also known as like the family snitch, like she would tell her dad anything that her siblings were doing. She would also later go on to have two of his children. Geez. also known as like the family snitch like she would tell her dad anything that her siblings were doing. She would also later go on to have two of his children.
Starting point is 00:33:28 Jesus. So she, he was the grandfather and the father of her first two children. No. But is there even like father or? It gets even weirder. So even those two kids will, they have evidence of sexual abuse later. So it's just so sick and nasty and it's so confusing and heartbreaking at the same time.
Starting point is 00:33:51 And so they also had a favorite son. So if Pixie was like the favorite daughter, right? Of Eddie, he had a favorite son by the name of Christopher and he was allowed more opportunities to be normal. So he was allowed to participate in sports, especially football. He was allowed to participate in sports especially football He was allowed to like date girls call his friends using the home phone like he just was a lot Allow to do a lot more but in exchange for that he had to give up a lot So Eddie would walk around the house on days that he decided that Christopher owed him and he would say and I quote
Starting point is 00:34:20 I'm getting some butt tonight. It's time to get some butt. And so he knew this as his sign to go follow him upstairs to be abused. The mom would also soon come after and abuse him as well. Now at this point in high school, rumors of Pixie's pregnancies were kind of spreading like wildfire because it was a small town and this family was widely known for being a very just a closed knit never let anyone in. They're not like the type of neighbors that's like hey do you want to come over for dinner? The kids are also not the type that's at prom that's at these little school gatherings on the weekends like the kids are known to not be allowed out of the
Starting point is 00:34:59 house to not have friends not to be able to date not to do anything. So they're all wondering all of these adults, even, these faculty members are wondering, how the fuck does she get pregnant, not once, but twice. Like, she's not even allowed out of the house. So then, of course, rumors start circulating because it's, you know, high school, everyone's like, oh, well, she does have a lot of siblings,
Starting point is 00:35:18 like, oh, she does have this, you know, they're so weird, like, they're not allowed out of the house. So all of these people start talking about who the fork is the dad, like, who the fork is her baby daddy because she is not allowed to date. She doesn't have a boyfriend. None of this is making sense. So when people asked her, Hey, like, who's the dad of your kid?
Starting point is 00:35:35 She would say, Oh, it's my boyfriend, but he ran away to Mexico. And I know, I don't know where he is anymore. And so again, that's a really strange story. They lived in Ohio too. So it's not like a border town either. So it's just like, what? Like, that's really really strange story. They lived in Ohio too, so it's not like a border town either So it's just like what like that's really random like okay strange and so people started talking more and more to the point where administrators reached out to CPS oh Shit, they were like hey, you might want to check on this so CPS couldn't confirm any abuse was happening inside the house when they went to Investigate all of the other kids that the baby daddy ran away to Mexico too. So ZPS was like mother-forker ran away to Mexico.
Starting point is 00:36:08 What a horrible person. They closed their investigation and they're like, we do such good work and they pat their cells on the back and that was a good day for them. So that's it. Eddie though decides, oh shit, I'm not going to take any chances though because CPS literally just investigated our family about these kids. So I'm not going to risk it anymore. He would make every family member keep a daily journal of all of their activities and if they ever saw their siblings talking to anyone. Like if they saw fucking, I don't know, let's make up a name. Karen talking to someone at school, like you got to write it down in your journal,
Starting point is 00:36:41 write down who she was talking to, so they can trace it back to if word got around about abuse, who said it, who said what to who. So he made all of these kids keep a daily journal, nobody was allowed out of the house without him giving the okay, like not even in the backyard. Finally, finally, Eddie's like, hey, Pixie, I think it's time that you get a boyfriend, because these rumors are getting out of hand. You need to start dating someone, hopefully marry someone, and that's gonna be the game plan.
Starting point is 00:37:09 So Pixie is like, okay, well, I will do anything you say. So she goes and she meets a guy by the name of Joel Good, right? And Joel, he goes to high school with her, and he came from a really rough family. So both of his parents died when he was really young. So he moved to Ohio to be with his aunt. And he was, like, they were just to Ohio to be with his aunt. And he was like they were just pretty much parenting him, right? And raising him, he was known
Starting point is 00:37:29 to be... This sounds like horrible, just super sweet and overly trusting. In the book, it said that he's slow-witted and overly trusting, but he just was like expected the best in everyone. Like he was such a good guy You know how when you meet someone who's so nice that they can't even wrap their head around the idea that other people are mean or evil Like it just doesn't make sense to them right? He was one of those people and he really really liked pixie and he was like, I think you're really pretty He did find out that she was a single parent obviously and he was like that's okay like I'm here now You know he wanted to help her raise these kids that weren't even his and in high school
Starting point is 00:38:10 That's a big that's a big promise and so they start dating and they get married Full on married and eddie Lee sexton is the one doing the you know He's like I say, I don't know. I thought she's only married to Eddie. Yes, but he wanted her to marry him. Okay, so how do you explain that? I thought, yeah, so she was, he was like, it's okay. I'm married to everyone.
Starting point is 00:38:38 He was like, you need to do this for Satanism. Okay. For the son of Lucifer, you know, and so she was like, okay, so he married the both of them. And this is like Joel adopted the two kids. Like he signed their birth certificates. He was like, I'm marrying you now, so these are my kids too. And he was so happy.
Starting point is 00:38:58 His entire family just advised him against it. They were like, I don't know how, what, how, what this life is gonna be like for you to be a parent to someone where you don't even know the parentage of these two children. Like, you don't know who their dad is. It's just gonna be intense, but he was like, I love her guys. And so they get married and they move into an apartment
Starting point is 00:39:17 really close to the sexed and house. Mm, okay. So now Pixie is an adult. She is legally an adult, right? Keep this in mind. Now Pixie wasn't allowed by her dad to consummate the marriage So they weren't allowed to have sex What?
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Starting point is 00:41:05 25% off when you keep everything in your fix. That's StitchFix.com slash rotten for 25% off when you keep everything in your fix. Again, that's StitchFix.com slash rotten. So this is when the whole case starts to unravel. A girl by the name of Shelley, that's not her full name, but we're just gonna call her Shelley. So she is a sexed-in kid, and she went to her school Guidance Counselor's office, and she just unloaded everything onto that Guidance Counselor's desk.
Starting point is 00:41:39 She was like, yeah, I'm getting raped. This is what's going on in my house. And she was emotional. She was shaken. Like it was just a lot. She stated at that appointment that she was pregnant. And then she in high school middle school. I believe middle school. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:54 So she said she stated that she was pregnant, that her father and her brothers were attempting to kill the baby. And they're like, wait, why? What are you talking about? And so she said that, you know, her dad started beating her when she got home. And her brother attempted to kick her in the baby. And they're like, wait, why? What are you talking about? And so she said that, you know, her dad started beating her when she got home and her brother attempted to kick her in the stomach. And he had done the same thing to another sister when they had found out that she was pregnant with the dad's child. He had kicked her in the stomach
Starting point is 00:42:16 and it caused her to miscarry the baby. Now the guidance counselors immediately call authorities. They immediately call CPS. They take her away from the family, right? And they sent her to a doctor. There was obvious evidence that she was being abused in the household, but thankfully she wasn't pregnant. So whether she was feeling these symptoms because a lot of her siblings had gone through it, or because she was so scared of this that she just, you know, when you're so scared of being pregnant, you're like, I'm pregnant for sure, right? She was probably going through that moment, but like at such a young age, right? Now, Eddie at this point was freaking balls to the walls because now CPS is like, oh, no, no, no Like this is no longer about some kids where we don't know the baby daddy
Starting point is 00:42:58 Like this is about you raping your own children like we're fully on you. Like there is no if and buts or whats. And so they go full in on this, right? And so Eddie was no longer allowed to live in the family home. Like he was just kicked out. Like this was the only way. Otherwise they were gonna take away all of the children, like the minor children from the household. And so they decided it would be better
Starting point is 00:43:19 if Eddie was no longer legally allowed inside the house for the brief time that the investigation would take place, right? Now, at this point, Shelley is at a foster care system, so she's no longer in the house either. And Estella calls Shelley one day. And it's like, listen, mommy misses you so much. Mommy loves you so much. Mommy needs you to come home for one day. And so she was like, I'll call your foster parents and I'll see, like, if it's okay, because
Starting point is 00:43:43 you know, obviously, Eddie is no longer here and I just miss you as a mother. And so she was like yeah, I mean I guess I miss you too. And she was like okay, like my foster parents had yes, like I guess I can sleep over tonight. So she goes back to her family home, her dad's not there, she's excited, she, her mom's hugging her, acting like oh my God,
Starting point is 00:44:00 I love you so much, I'm so sorry, I couldn't protect you, you know, and so she goes upstairs to sleep. And in the middle of the night, she starts hearing some noise downstairs, some banging. So she goes to investigate and Eddie is sitting there. And he tells her to sit down next to him. And he says, if you ever say anything, I will kill you. I will kill you.
Starting point is 00:44:24 You know what they say about snitches? The best ones are dead. That was one of his favorite quotes, okay? So she returns to foster care, immediately calls the police and tells them that she lied about everything. Oh no. And that she will never testify against him because she's a liar. Now obviously, you know, she refused to go back to the house because
Starting point is 00:44:45 they were like okay well if he is a liar do you want to go back home and she's like no I'd love to stay with my foster family if that's okay and the police obviously knew that she didn't lie. Like they knew that she wasn't lying they were like okay like obviously something happened here where she is now changing her mind so they decided to still investigate. Now Eddie finds this out and he's starting to get really stressed out about this. He's like what the heck the judge is now changing her mind. So they decided to still investigate. Now Eddie finds this out and he's starting to get really stressed out about this. He's like, what the heck? The judge hears about this. They launch a full-on investigation. Six of the children in the house were miners. Three of them reported nothing. So they said, oh, I have never been abused.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Like nothing has ever happened to me. I've never seen abuse in this house. Three of them told the authorities, yes, I have been abused. And so they were taken away from the house and placed in foster care while waiting for the investigation to finish. Now Estella, the mom, she demanded to get custody back of those kids. So she filed all these court orders, but then she was in no show on the day that she was supposed to show up in court. So it was just kind of like, what, like what was all of this for? And one of the other daughters, she told her foster parents that her mom was also sexually abusing her They took her into the doctors and the medical exam showed vaginal scarring that was consistent with her stories
Starting point is 00:45:54 So that's when the start county took custody of all of the minor children Now this is where it gets confusing because somewhere along the way They like end up kind of kidnapping three of them back, it's just all sorts of weird, right? They start trying to attempt to slow down the legal process because both of the parents are trying to get all of their kids in check, like they're scrambling at this point. They're like, we need to talk to all of these kids and scare the living daylights out of them so that they don't talk during trial
Starting point is 00:46:19 because once trial hits, we can't have access to them and they're gonna spill all the beans. So they're trying to delay the process of trial that's impending so that they can, you know, scare these kids. Absolutely insane. They filed a motion to the court saying that they are Native American. So they need to be tried in tribal court. And they are just like, but you're not Native American.
Starting point is 00:46:42 And they're like, but we are. They're like, but you're not. But. And they're like, but we are. They're like, but you're not. But we are. Like it was just a shit show. It was like, what are you doing? Like you know you're lying. I know you're lying. It was like one of those lies where both sides are like,
Starting point is 00:46:54 really? Like you. What are you doing right now? And so that's when Eddie decides to film a three hour video on a VHS tape denying all the abuse charges against him, saying that he was a victim of prosecution against his brother, because his brother agreed to testify against him as well. And so he's saying it's all my brother, like he's always been jealous of me.
Starting point is 00:47:14 He also said that the Stark County authorities were holding a grudge on him because he is just a such a motivational leader, and he is someone who is moving the community to do better things. He would actually physically mail the copy of this video to President Bill Clinton and the Attorney General Janet Reno. Yeah, he was just like they need to see this. They need to see what an innocent man that I am. I highly doubted even landed on their office. This probably some intern was like, what the fuck? And just trashed it. Because what? What is this? So then he calls the local police station,
Starting point is 00:47:45 or the local news station. And he says that he's being harassed by the local government. He is barricaded inside of his house. He's armed, and he will kill any worker or police officer who approaches his home. So what does this news station do? They're like, go, we need to get footage of this. So they camp out outside his house. They call the police. They're like,'re like if anything happens we got to be the first one to get this right and so they're camping out
Starting point is 00:48:10 The police end up there was a standoff a full-on cult like standoff that was aired on TV channel five news So he's like letting it all go now. Yeah, just letting it all go, but that's not even the end We're only like how not even halfway in. What? Yeah, they go on the run. Oh my god. So at this point, he's talking to all the authorities and the judge and the judges like, listen, I'm gonna reason with you, okay?
Starting point is 00:48:36 I'm gonna reason with you and he's like, I'm only barricading myself inside my house because I'm so innocent because I have nothing to lose. You guys took the only thing I care about my children. And so the judge is like, okay, I'm gonna reason with you. Like, don't hurt anyone. How about I do two things for you? I am gonna have the case worker remove from the case. We're not gonna close the case,
Starting point is 00:48:55 but we're just gonna get you a new case worker because you keep saying that this CPS employee has it out for you, right? Has this whole conspiracy theory against you. And then we're not going to remove any more children from your house, okay? Like, especially your adult children, we can't legally remove them.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Like, we're not going to take away your adult children either. But you have to agree to surrender to the police outside. So he's like, okay, so he surrenders to the police, he gets arrested, and he immediately post $7,500 bail, and is released. Now, the judge said that this was her biggest regret ever because they won on the run. Three of their minor children, several adult children,
Starting point is 00:49:29 including Joelle Good and Pixie and her three babies. So she had another baby. Joelle Goods with them? Yeah, now people think that Pixie's third child named Skipper is Eddie's, but it gets complex, we'll get into it. So they had all these people cramped into a van. It was like 11 people at a time cramped into this van roaming around the country and it was intense. They went from Oklahoma to Florida like they were just doing all this crazy stuff. Okay now in one
Starting point is 00:49:59 situation they started forcing the children to engage and practice in paramilitary drills like full on cult full on cult This like full on reminds me of wake otexas situations, you know And so they just started practicing like these like how to shoot a gun how to do this? Which is never a good idea the children start drinking heavily and huffing paint Sniffing paint which I always think is like the most it's the most complex drug usage that I can't wrap my head around. Actually, it's just open a bottle of paint?
Starting point is 00:50:30 Yeah, so I googled it and apparently you literally just sniff household items that have toxic fumes. So paint. It's not like Elmer's paint. You know, like it's not like Elmer's glue. Some people call it snipping glue. Like it's got to be like home depot. Like that good, good.
Starting point is 00:50:46 I'm kidding. But like, you know, something more industrial. Not as, I mean, you can get it maybe sometimes with like bleach, I think. Am I giving you a tutorial? That's not good. But don't do it. It like kills all your brain cells like at once.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Mm. You know. So they're doing all that. To feel high, I guess. Now, sniffing paint is usually people do it when they don't want to pay for street jugs Just like real drugs. They're like well, you know bottle pleaches like what two bucks? Okay, yeah, so it's very strange. So they're all getting high now There was a woman who had been somewhat of a family friend to them at one point and she let them stay in her house
Starting point is 00:51:23 She was like of course course, like obviously, I don't know why you guys are on the run, but like I know that you would never abuse your kids. So she was like, please stay in my living room. I have a pull out couch. So she goes upstairs to sleep and she goes downstairs in the middle of the night because she's feeling thirsty.
Starting point is 00:51:37 She needs a glass of water. This is her home. She can do whatever she wants, okay? Now, she's walking down the stairs and she sees in the middle of the night Estella the mom down on her knees giving Felatio to one of her sons. And she sees the youngest minor daughter crawling all over her dad. So the way that she described it is really really just, I guess, but she said like a sex maniac
Starting point is 00:52:08 on drugs because she had been groomed like that. Like it was so alarming for her to see that because that's not how kids behave in any way. That's not even how adults behave, you know, but especially not kids. And so she was just so disgusted. They saw that she saw this. And the next day they were like oh, yeah I think we're gonna go we're gonna get out of your hair We're just gonna go back and maybe look for our cousins or something and stay with them and they left one single bullet on her kitchen counter
Starting point is 00:52:38 And she never said a word until after they were arrested She was like I guess not because they know where I live, they know who I am, and they're probably going to kill me. Now it's crazy is while on the run, nothing comes between Eddie and his money. So he would drive back to Ohio every single month to cash his disability checks. Yeah, that were mailed to his house, which is insane. It is because they were low priority arrest warrants. So they had arrest warrants out for them, but not really and because this was gonna be handled in family court The rules are really different so they try to protect the anonymity of the children So they don't put this out in the press like they would a regular criminal case So if a guy's like going around raping people they would put it out in the press
Starting point is 00:53:22 But if it is in family court it's a lot harder to deal with like the nuances of like okay this is like so detrimental to everyone involved and so it just wasn't getting a lot of people's eyes on it so it wasn't like all of the neighbors were like oh hey Eddie like I'm gonna take you to jail now because you've got a bond out for you and I want five thousand dollars you know there's a reward money out for you they were just like hey Eddie haven't seen you in a while because they didn't know. A lot of them had no idea. Now, they eventually get to Little Manatee State Park and they befriend a random dude by
Starting point is 00:53:54 the name of Ray Hesert. Now, he's going to become important later. Ray Hesert had retired after selling his very successful business and he had done a little bit with that money. He had bought it himself like this crazy luxury RV and he was just traveling across country by himself because he had worked his entire life and he was like, you know what, I deserve this, I deserve to see the world, you know, and so he's driving around and he meets the sextons and he's like, wow, these people are really nice. Now the sextons on the other
Starting point is 00:54:21 hand were like, wow, that's a nice RV. So they start coming up with a plan where Pixie would seduce Ray. Now by the way this plan Joelle, Joelle's there, like he's listening to this but he could have no say because all of the sexton boys would beat him up. Like he would regularly get beat up physically by Eddie Lee sexton, his father-in-law, but multiple of his brother-in-laws. So he's literally a prisoner at this moment. Yeah. He's getting chained around.
Starting point is 00:54:47 And it seems like the only reason he's even doing all this is because his son Skipper, that he has with Pixie, which a lot of people speculate is not even his biological son, but to Joel, that was his life, okay? And he saw all the things that's happening. Uh-huh. And so they're like, yeah, Pixie, you're going to go have sex with Ray. And in the middle of it, you're going to kill him.
Starting point is 00:55:08 And we're all going to come in. We're all going to strangle him together. We're going to drain his bank accounts because he's retired. And we're going to steal this luxury RV. And we're just going to run around town with it because look at that RV. That's a crazy RV.
Starting point is 00:55:21 So obviously, right, eventually, it's very suspicious of them. And he starts lying He's like yeah, I'm just gonna drive my RV to the local gas station fill up on tank and I will be right back And he didn't come right back. He was like I'm dipping out of here Like I'm leaving he he was like gone gone, but later There would be a whole trial for him because they attempted to murder him and I don't know why they were like Yeah, let's try him for that and not all the sexual abuse
Starting point is 00:55:49 So we'll get into it. So then there became the Joel and Pixie drama. So they're all cramped out in this van together all 11 of them. And Joel and Pixie just were not getting along. Joel was in love with her. He was trying to hold her hand. He was trying to kiss her. He was trying to be a family with her. Like, this is what he expected when he adopted the children, when he married her. And she just was kind of tolerating him barely, right? She was just like, ah, like you're kind of annoying, like I just want to make out with my dad. And it was just really intense, right? And so Pixie's son, Skipper, starts crying while they're at a campsite. Now, at this point, they were violating occupancy and the time limit rules. And the crying baby was going to get all of these neighbors probably to complain about them.
Starting point is 00:56:28 And then they would realize that, oh, wait, you guys are violating all of these rules. You got to get out of here. And it would be a shit show. So Pixie has always been evil with the baby. I'm just going to put that straight up. Some people make it seem like she was a good mom. She was never a good mom. She was a shitty mom.
Starting point is 00:56:43 She would slap that baby around. This is a newborn baby. And she would slap the baby around with the front of her palm, with the back of her palm. I don't know what you call that, but she would just do like constantly, you know, like you're just moving your hand in a slapping motion so that you slap them both ways. Like that's what she would do to her baby and every time her baby would get slapped, it would just be shocked into silence. Now, Joelle tried to show Skipper love, but he just could never protect the kid.
Starting point is 00:57:11 I mean, he himself was getting slapped around by the family. Now, eventually, at this point, Skipper, the baby was crying because the baby was ill. The baby could not hold down any food. He could not sleep. He was in a cold sweat. And the doctors later think that it's because Pixie would pour adult strength and nightquil down his throat every day so that he wouldn't
Starting point is 00:57:31 be an active baby. Oh my goodness. An active baby is a healthy baby but she was like no and she would just pour nightquil down his throat. And so the baby boy was sick, like he was sick, like he was going to die if they didn't get medical attention. And Eddie was like well sick. He was going to die if they didn't get medical attention. Eddie was like, well, obviously you're not going to the doctor. There are some allegations.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Some siblings say, Pixie never even wanted to take Skipper to the doctor. Some siblings say, oh no, it was because dad wouldn't let her take the baby to the doctor. I don't think it matters regardless. The baby is crying. It's stressing Eddie Lee's sex turn out. He tells her, silence the baby or else I will. So while she's in bed with Joelle next to her, she starts smothering her own son to death. She's starting.
Starting point is 00:58:17 She covered his mouth and his nose until he turned blue. Joel woke up the next morning, started screaming, my son, my son, and Eddie ran into the room acting surprised when he knew what happened, Pixie acted surprised, and Eddie said, oh, you know what must have happened? I know something, it's called sudden infant death syndrome, SIDS. That's what happened to your baby, terrible. I feel terrible. But oh well. So the dad and the daughter murdered the baby. Pixie would later say that she believed
Starting point is 00:58:55 that her dad could resurrect the baby because he has powers. Now I don't know if this was a defense. I don't know if this was like saving your ass afterwards because she's legally an adult I don't know what that was or if she truly did believe that her dad could Resurrect her baby. I don't know okay And so I mean it seemed most of the siblings that that pixie wasn't really sad about it She didn't seem emotional and they buried they buried the baby in a duffle bag just like on the side of the woods. So Pixie Kips telling Joelle like no my dad's right it's son and infant death syndrome but Joelle was just getting suspicious like throughout this entire trip on the run he's starting
Starting point is 00:59:35 to notice all of these crazy things about the family right and he's like I just don't feel like it was son and infant death syndrome like how could I know nothing about this and so they were finally like okay let's go read about it. So they go to the University of Tampa and they have a library, a public library. So they're like, we just need to go read up books about it and pick these like, okay, sounds good, I guess. Now there was a librarian there by the name of Gail Novak. Now Gail would later testify in court, so she's crucial to this story, right?
Starting point is 01:00:00 And so she's helping Juel find books about SIDS, and she's very compassionate. She's like, I'm so sorry for your loss. Yeah, like I can find you books about it. And that's when all of a sudden an angry man, Eddie, storms into the library super pissed because he did not give them permission to go to the library and he physically starts slapping them around in the middle of the library. Who?
Starting point is 01:00:21 Joel and Pixie. And Gale is just standing there like, what? And she's looking at this. So she's physically assaulting the couple. And that's when Pixie, you know, it's like dad come here like I need to talk to you. And so she pulls her dad aside, Joel is crying. And Gail is just witnessing all of this. And Gail is trying to eavesdrop on their conversation. And Pixie tells Eddie
Starting point is 01:00:50 Joel wants to go home. He wants to take Skipper's body to Ohio to have a proper burial Like to have a grave so that he can visit and he just wants to go back to Ohio Uh-huh, and that's when the dad looks at Pixie and he says he can return but only as a corpse and just walks out of there So the the librarian, Gail, is like, oh hell no. So she heard all of this. So she immediately calls the campus police and tells them everything. And they tell her, it's probably a joke. Yeah, it sounds like a threat.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't sound like, oh yeah, we're gonna take care of this. Yeah. And she was like, what? And they were like, yeah, I wouldn't really worry about it. Yeah. And she's like, what? And they were like, yeah, I wouldn't really worry about it. Yeah. And she was like, what?
Starting point is 01:01:25 Yeah. So my sister just had a baby, and now everyone's asking me, where's your baby? Before all of this, everyone would be like, don't you think it's your time? Your time is running out. You need to have a baby now or never. Now is the best time to have a baby.
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Starting point is 01:03:37 You're giving me a headache. And Pixie's getting sick of Joelle because she's like, stop talking about sids. I don't even care. And so that's when they start training one of the adult sons with a grout. I think it's what it's called, but it's essentially like this wire or string that you would attach to two things that you can hold. So it's kind of like a, it's not necessarily like a gun, like it's something that you can make at home kind of. So it's like a string and then you attach it to handles. So like think of like a cheese cutter.
Starting point is 01:04:06 I know that sounds really bad, but like one of those cheese wires has got the handles and it's got this really sharp wire that you put through cheese and it cuts it. But a lot of the times it's used to strangle people so that you can have a handle while you're strangling people. Oh, there's a strangling tool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Oh my goodness. And so, you know, Eddie is telling his adult son, who is, by the way, best friends with Joelle. He's the one that gets along with Joelle really, really well. And he's like, OK, Willie. Well, he's an adult son, so I can fully just out him. He's like, OK, Willie, you need to just put Joelle to sleep.
Starting point is 01:04:41 So you're just going to strangle him a little bit to put him to sleep. So he's like, OK, sounds good. Anything for you, dad. So they go on a walk together, Eddie, Joelle, and Willie, and that's when Eddie is like, do it now, and Willie starts strangling Chihuahuaal. And he falls to the ground, and he keeps going, and keeps going until there was blood coming out of Chihuahuaal's ears. Oh my God. And Joelle Joel's. But you say that's his best friend. Yeah. And so he's slumped on the ground and he's like, at he's telling William, like, it's okay. All you did is put him to sleep, right? Uh-huh. And then he's like, let go of him. So now Joel's laying on the
Starting point is 01:05:18 ground and he kicks his body and he moves a little bit. So now he's pissed. And he says, all right, never mind. I need you to finish him. And it said that William did this while crying because he did not understand that he just killed someone. But he had to follow the orders so he killed him. Now Pixie gets rid of all of Joelle's belongings inside the van and Eddie tells Willie
Starting point is 01:05:40 to chop off Joelle's arms so that no one can idea him. He was like grab the machete, cut off his arms, go full on, you know, Lawrence Singleton two weeks ago, podcast, go watch it, it's insane. And so he was like, cut off the arms so that no one can identify Joelle if they find him buried. But Willie tried, he couldn't go through with it. All topsy's later show that there was severe marks on his right hand with a sharp object. So that's probably when William was trying, but just like, I don't know if he freaked
Starting point is 01:06:09 out, I don't know what happened, right? And they eventually buried him very close to Skipper's body, and all of the children were instructed if anyone ever asks, you tell people, oh, I don't know, Jawelle took the baby Skipper and went back to Ohio. I don't know if he made it to Ohio safely. So at this point, Eddie keeps calling Stark County officials to negotiate the terms of surrender, which is kind of crazy, right? So he keeps giving these dates and he never shows up.
Starting point is 01:06:35 So this is just another situation where he was torturing the authorities, like he felt good about the power that he had. He felt good that these authorities were probably waiting at this spot that he said he was going to surrender himself in, right? He just got a kick out of it, but this would ultimately be his major downfall because they got the FBI involved. They were like, hey, this guy keeps taunting the local police department and we need you to help us.
Starting point is 01:06:58 So the FBI were like, oh, well technically he's a fugitive then. So they were searching for him because of his unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, which is against the law. And so they traced his phone calls to a phone booth near that lake in Florida. So January 14th, 1994, they start their stakeout. They're like watching this whole family. And their game plan was like, we've dealt with families
Starting point is 01:07:21 like this, we've dealt with cults like this. You don't want to ambush them. You don't want them to be inside, and you say FBI open up, because you don't know if there could be like this mass suicide murder that happens, right? And so they said we gotta wait. So they wait until Estella and Eddie,
Starting point is 01:07:37 just by themselves, drive to a local Windixi, which is like a grocery store, and they're literally arguing inside of the parking lot, like in the car, before they get out. And the FBI was like, we just got to do it now, and they just bust open the doors and arrest them. Nice. So they arrest them. Now at home in Ohio, there was Eddie Lee Jr., who was a full grown adult child, and he had
Starting point is 01:08:01 kind of, so a lot of these kids, once they were 18, they tried as hard as they can to distance themselves from the family, obviously. And he had some of the minor kids come live with him after the parents were arrested. And that is when some of these minor children tell their brother, at a Lee Jr., that two people died while they were on the run. And he immediately contacts the authorities and tells them everything. Now this is going to be a shit show for our authorities because all of the children are interviewed in question,
Starting point is 01:08:32 but it's just really intense, you know? Like there was just so much going on, so all of the children were very evasive or had contradicting answers. They all displayed major psychiatric problems, like PTSD, psychotic breaks, vivid nightmares. So it's really hard to distinguish, like, okay, which one's the truth? What is a nightmare?
Starting point is 01:08:52 What is actually what happened? What happened to you versus what happened to you? But also, like, what's going on? And then, like, at times, they just didn't want to talk or they just would be like, oh, I made everything up. Sorry. So it was just a lot of back and forth of like, how do we even do this without even further damaging
Starting point is 01:09:09 their mental health? And so they decided to do DNA testing on Pixie's two children, the two eldest children that she had before she started to enjoy, and there was a 99% likelihood that Eddie was the father from the DNA testing. Now, they wanted to do DNA testing on the third child, but they felt so bad for Joel's family. They just couldn't.
Starting point is 01:09:33 The authorities did not do testing on Skipper to save Joel's family the heartache because Joel's pride and joy was his son Skipper. They were even buried in the same casket together. And so imagine after the funeral, after the burial, they're like, by the way, that's not your son's son, or like that's not your, you know, family member's son. That's true. How devastating that would be. Yeah. And also to say, like, technically, maybe, you well died for nothing because, you know, I'm sure that thought would come up. Yeah. So they were just like okay we're not gonna do that. After Eddie Lee Jr. contacts the police about what happened to Skipper and Joelle, I mean it was a shit show.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Pixie and William were arrested, they were adult children, so they were arrested for the murder of Joelle and Skipper good. Now Estelle and Mae Sexton, she started pleading no contest, she was like ready. She pled no contest to two counts of rape, three counts of complicity to rape, one count of complicity to felonious, felon sexual penetration, two counts of gross sexual imposition, two counts of complicity to gross sexual imposition, three counts of child and danger,
Starting point is 01:10:38 13 counts total. Now, no contest is a little bit different. So no contest does not mean not guilty. So, that means she's not going to have a trial. So, no contest is not allowed in a lot of states. Like, you can't even plead it. Like, the judge won't even accept this plea. They won't even be like, okay, sounds good.
Starting point is 01:10:57 It just means that you're saying that you're not guilty. Like, you're not admitting guilt. But you're also saying, hey, like punish me however you want to punish me. Like I'm not going to try to put up a fight about it. So it's kind of like a weird place. Now a lot of people think that she did this very strategically. So if she had pled guilty, so a lot of the times, like states that do have the no contest plea,
Starting point is 01:11:21 they will also let you plead guilty. And prosecutors like it when you plead guilty, and they will even shave time off your prison sentence just so that they can get that guilty plea. Now, the reason is because if you plead no contest, it can never be brought up in another court case. So if you get arrested after you're released, they can never bring this up in the court of law.
Starting point is 01:11:42 They can't, you also can't get sued for this crime in civil court. And I think that's why Estella made played no contest versus because her children were probably gonna try to sue her. Okay. So if she played guilty, then in civil court, it's like, well, how can you take back your guilty plea now? You literally already said you did it.
Starting point is 01:12:03 But in no contest, it's like she'd probably get more time, but at least she can't get sued in civil court, which I think is really weird. So I mean that one was confusing. I had to look through multiple different sources for this one, but I don't know if you guys have more legal information about this, because I know it's also different from the Alfred plea too. So there's just a lot of different pleas you can make, or just stay home and make peace. That was a bad one. No, you know, it's not my day.
Starting point is 01:12:30 So she was sentenced to 13 to 25 years in prison. Now, she would later be sentenced in the state of Ohio, but that will get to that. So she was sentenced to two extra years for the abuse of Lana Sexton in particular, and then another trial she was sentenced to two extra years for the abuse of Lana Sexton, in particular, and then another trial she was sentenced for over a dozen abuse charges against her other children, and that she was sentenced to life in prison for accessory to rape. Now October 2017, she would die of natural causes at 70 years old in prison.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Now Pixie, she was sentenced to six years for manslaughter. She did not- Six years? Six years for manslaughter. She did not- Six years? Six years for manslaughter for smothering her child to death. This was in exchange for testimony against her father and in order to back this up, because a lot of people were pissed, you know, especially Joel Good's family, a lot of locals were pissed how to get six years for smothering your own child to death, a baby. And there was the defense that a lot of psychologists do believe
Starting point is 01:13:25 is that she was an extreme example of postpartum depression, saying that victims of abuse have a much higher than average rates of killing their own children. So this was, you know, you have to take that into consideration is, I guess, what they were saying. But a lot of people were still pissed that it was just six years because that's a really low sentence for murdering a child. And Willie Sexton, William Sexton, who strangled Joelle Good to death, he had been diagnosed with borderline mentally handicapped IQ, so also being functionally illiterate.
Starting point is 01:13:57 So he was illiterate to the point where he would not be able to function in normal society, like most people. Wow. The judge found him unfit to stand trial due to serious psychiatric problems, and he was ordered to a mental health facility for treatment. Later, he would testify against his dad and plead guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Now there would be two trials for Eddie Lee's sexed in. The first trial was the attempted murder plot against Ray Hesseur. And for that one, Eddie accepted a plea bargain and was sentenced to 15 years in conspiracy to commit kidnapping and murder. The second trial was the murder of Jawahal Good. Now William testified that Eddie ordered him to kill him, but Eddie's defense was trying to paint with Pixie and William as the murderers that they did this. They were conspiring together.
Starting point is 01:14:46 That was all that. And the judge noted that during this entire trial, Eddie continually looked relaxed and in control of the whole thing. Now the star witness was Gail, the librarian, who had literally heard him threaten Joel's life before Joel was murdered. Now all of the other children's testimonies were kind of all over the place because they were dealing with a lot of things going on in their life. And you know, Gail, she had no incentive to lie.
Starting point is 01:15:10 She was incredible witness. She was a third party who had no affiliation with this family. And so her testimony was probably the most important thing. And after three hours, he was found guilty and sentenced to death. He tried to appeal it and it didn't really work because his excuse was that he had a dysfunction in his prefrontal cortex, which means that he has this excuse that he has diminished level of self-control. He just can't control himself before he rapes his children, right? And the judge said, so he's no longer the son of Lucifer anymore?
Starting point is 01:15:42 Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. And so the judge says, that doesn't make any sense because your crimes show that you put a lot of considerable planning and concealment over many many years, which usually means that you've got impeccable self-control, dude. And so they were like, we're not accepting your appeal. So you sentence to death, but he died of natural causes in a Florida prison when he was 68 years old. He was never formally charged or tried
Starting point is 01:16:12 for any of the sexual abuse against his children. What? Why is that? It would be a lot of money and a lot of trauma because he was already sentenced to death, but to put his kids through that, to put this huge trial out and this jury has to witness this. And also, like all of the kids' testimonies, again, even to this point, were very inconsistent
Starting point is 01:16:32 because of the trauma that they had endured. It would be very difficult for prosecutors to sit down and try to sort things out, you know, and prep them to testify because, you know, the lawyers would, the defense attorneys would cross-examine them to hell. Yeah you know, the lawyers would, the defense attorneys would cross examine them to hell. Yeah, that's true. So it was, yeah. That's true. Now, I don't really like to end a podcast on a sad note.
Starting point is 01:16:54 So we're going in with a light incestory, if they can never be light. Let's get started in Motherfriaking Florida. Yes, Florida. So this takes place in Kibiskayne, Florida, which is about a 20-minute drive from Miami. And it's much more refined than Miami. Miami is a part of town. Kibaskein has like that gated community vibe to it. So it was, I'm described to be, a very modest but pretentious at the same time type of situation. So like, think about if they were people. If Miami was a person, they're wearing a Gucci shirt. If K people, if Miami was a person, they're wearing
Starting point is 01:17:25 a Gucci shirt. If keep a skin was a person, they're wearing a Gucci shirt without a Gucci logo. And looking down at the Miami person wearing a Gucci logo, does that make sense? Like, that's like the vibe. They're just like, we're rich, but like, we don't want to tell people we're rich, but we also want them to know that we're rich, but like, we're not going to tell them. There is an apartment there called the Governor's Lodge apartment condos and it's really intense. Like it's very exclusive to even live there, which I always find to be very fascinating. Like, what do you mean? If you've got the money, you can't live there.
Starting point is 01:17:54 And they're like, no, it's exclusive. We don't have open units. You got to be waitlisted. And so nothing ever bad happens out of place like this. They say plot twist, newsflash bad things happen everywhere, especially Florida. So it all starts with a woman by the name of Candice Mosler, which is kind of like a normal name, but because it was a normal name,
Starting point is 01:18:15 she was like, calm, a candy. So she went by candy, Mosler, her entire life, and everyone described her to be a full on real life Barbie. She was glamourous. she had this platinum blonde hair, and to make things even more intense, she kept her real age a secret from everyone in her entire life. There was not enough money that you could pay candy. There was not enough candy you could give candy
Starting point is 01:18:37 for her to tell you her birth year. She just refused. It was sad that even a lot of her relatives like forgot when she was born and then she would never tell them again. She'd be like, that's your fault. Bye. So like even her family members are like, with how old are you again? And she's like, oh, you don't need to know. So I mean, I feel like that was more common back in the day. These days, everyone's like, I'm old and I'm proud, you know? But back in the day, it was not like that. Now, the one thing that candy did have that was, like really bad was that she had these crazy migraines.
Starting point is 01:19:07 So you don't even know how old she is? No. How does she look? I mean. Is she in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s? Man, I can definitely tell that there's some Juvederm hanging out with her face, but like I feel like maybe 40 this maybe okay so she did suffer
Starting point is 01:19:27 from major migraines for most of her life and they were de-dehabilitating meaning like she would sometimes go to the hospital like she would drop everything go to the hospital this was not a situation where she's like I have a headache I need to tile an all like it was a major major migraine this is very pertinent to the story a little later on. So she had an occupation of owning like this model center. So she would train it was kind of like a finishing school if you guys watched the blood countess podcast. It's kind of like she would train these people on how to be models. She was modeling at one point and so people would come to our school and they would learn from the best, which was candy and keep her in Houston Texas
Starting point is 01:20:04 actually. And so she was a socialite, right? So her second husband, she hits the jackpot. She marries a man by the name of Jacques Mosla. Now I don't know if it's pronounced Jack, because that's what I read, that you pronounce this name as Jack, which would be very infuriating because that is a very fancy way of spelling Jack, but it's J-A-C-Q-E-S okay? Now he was a multi-millionaire he owned a lot of banks like a chain of banks that ran from Texas to Florida so he had a ton and his work ethic was insane so to give you a little bit about jack he is he came from a family that had nothing so his mom was widowed and she provided for her entire family by herself.
Starting point is 01:20:46 She was a single mom. He saw her just struggling day in, day out. And he was determined she is never going to struggle again. Neither is my future wife, neither are my future kids. Like I am just going to take it upon myself to be the ultimate provider. And that's exactly what he did. He started from scratch and he built this crazy empire. He was worth about 200 million dollars.
Starting point is 01:21:07 So, man's was rich, okay? So his first marriage he has four children and he was known to be like, this was when people saw a shift in Jack. So in the beginning they were like, oh my god, like this guy, all he does is work, how will he ever have a family? What's the point of work? If you don't have a family, they and then he got married had four kids and he just completely changed he was obsessed with his children he put his kids before work and everyone was like this is crazy you know he's always been a workaholic but of course things didn't go well and they got into a divorce and the kids went with their biological mom so they went with the mom right and he would kind of see the kids here and there and then eventually I believe they would move in with him later on but that's not until later So after the divorce he's just kind of like doing his thing go in a fun raising events doing what rich people do
Starting point is 01:21:52 And that's where he meets a woman by the name of candy who was also recently divorced and let me tell you candy was ambitious She was not just like a little because I feel like in a lot of different Articles it's almost phrased as if she was like this bimbo, like this blonde bimbo who just got really lucky and used her good looks. But Candy has always been a go getter, like after her first marriage, she was struggling, right? And so that's when she opened up her own business, the finishing school, the modeling school, she started making a name for herself.
Starting point is 01:22:21 And so people really thought that she was like, you know, a successful entrepreneur. It wasn't like she was like, oh, I just need to find a man with money. And so she was helping these fundraising events gather donations. So she was volunteering in her free time. So she was like full on socialite, okay. And that's how she meets Jack Mosler. And they start dating. Now, I don't even know if Jack knew her real age. We don't even know their age difference We just know that it was probably around 20 years that Jack was older than her by like 20 years But um, we don't know for sure Jack is probably in the 60s. Yeah, he was pretty old. Yeah
Starting point is 01:22:58 Yeah, yeah, so he proposes to her almost immediately and she like accepts she she's like so excited, right? And they had such a beautiful marriage, especially from the outside people, they thought they were Houston royalty. So they had this massive home in Houston, we're going to get to Florida, just you wait. And they got a 28 bedroom mansion in Houston, Texas. 28 bedroom mansion. How many people does it take to clean a 28 bedroom mansion? Not that it fucking matters to them because they're probably not the ones cleaning it, but like I'm just thinking like if I had a clean 28 bedrooms, how long would that take me? Literally you
Starting point is 01:23:34 could have people living in some of those bedrooms and not even know it. This is like literally a prime example of those stories where you're like someone was living in my attic and I had no idea. Like this is just terrifying. And so Candy is immediately thrust into this rich lifestyle and she settled in like a natural like she had no problems being rich. She had always had a taste for finer things. She was always a glamorous woman so this was like perfect for her. So they would start traveling between Houston to Keybiscayne, Florida where they had that condo and they were practically just Houston royalty. Now one day just to show
Starting point is 01:24:09 you how crazy rich these people are. One day Jack Mosler, he's watching TV in Houston and he learns about a guy on the local news who had suffered from like a manic episode and he killed his pregnant wife and the unborn child inside of his pregnant wife, he killed them in a fit of rage. He just, I don't know, something was wrong with him. Then he packed up his four kids that were alive into the car and crashed into the snowy bank's nearest house. His name was Leonard Glenn and he was arrested and now the four children are alive and now they're orphaned because, you know, their mom is dead and their dad is going to jail for forever. I mean, he murdered his wife. And so Jack's watching this and he was like,
Starting point is 01:24:47 I've got 28 bedrooms, I've got $200 million. I can totally take care of these kids. And so they adopt the kids that they saw on the local news. Was why? He felt bad or? Yeah, he felt bad and he loves kids. So he was like, totally, I've got all the money. Like, I'm just going to adopt them.
Starting point is 01:25:07 And Candy was excited, so they would have 10 children together. 10 children. So two from Candy's previous marriage, four from Jack's previous marriage, and then they adopted another four children, so they had 10 children. So I guess that's why they need 28 bedrooms. Actually, no, the math still doesn't work out. So like, let's say each kid gets their own room. That's 10. So the parents get a room, that's why they need 28 bedrooms. Actually, no, the math still doesn't work out. So like, let's say each kid gets their own room. That's 10, so the parents get a room, that's 11.
Starting point is 01:25:29 If that's 12 people, if each of them get two rooms, that's 24 bedrooms. That makes sense. And then there's still four left over. Guest rooms, obviously. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense, right? Two bedrooms each, yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:41 Yeah, that makes sense. I totally grew up like that for sure Weird so they had a huge family and of course after this adoption everyone was like obsessed with the Mosler family they were like look at how just not only rich they are but look at those family values Look at that now speaking of family values in comes another man by the name of Melvin Powers. Now this was Candy's nephew who was 24 years old at the time and he was a business man from Alabama. He had been arrested on multiple occasions, especially one in particular in Michigan, where
Starting point is 01:26:20 he was arrested for fraud and other contivities. He was just a con man, okay? And he had served 90 days in jail and when he was released, he was like for fraud and other contivities. He was just a con man, okay? And he had served 90 days in jail, and when he was released, he was like, Mom, what do I do with my life? Like I was in jail, no one's gonna hire me again. Like I was literally in jail for fraud. Mom's like, well, you know, my sister
Starting point is 01:26:35 just married this really crazy, powerful dude. And I'm pretty sure he can get you a job. If I can just ask, if I can just ask my sister for one small favor, I'm sure they can find you a spot somewhere in that massive company of his and so he was like okay fine I'll do I'll move to Houston and see if I can get in touch with her so he moves to Houston and he gets in touch with his aunt candy hello Valentine's Day freaks can I call you all freaks hello Valentine's Day
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Starting point is 01:28:43 rut his leftbookonline.com slash rut. And he gets in touch with his aunt, Candy. And he's not really expecting much. He's just like, Hey, can I please work for you? Like, do you have a position in your company for me? And Jack, being the amazing family man that he is, he was like, absolutely. I can totally hire you. So they meet in Houston for the first time. Candy had never met him really.
Starting point is 01:29:05 Like she just didn't really know that he existed that much. Like she was just like, wow, this is crazy. Like I can't believe this. Now to give you an age perspective, Jack was probably 20 years older than Candy and Melvin was probably 20 years younger than Candy. So again, I'm really confused by how old she is, okay? And so she's-
Starting point is 01:29:22 Well, that's kind of easy to figure it out. You're like 20 40 60 by So he was her nephew by blood. This is her sister's son. Just keep that in mind This is her nephew by blood But it was said that immediately after meeting for the first time that they had a sexual tunt son. The sexual tension was through the roof. That they just, there was sparks flying in the air. They couldn't help themselves. They would hug a little too long.
Starting point is 01:29:53 Who said this? Just all of them. Everyone who knew them were like, there was just so much sexual tunt son. And it was really, really intense until they just full on started doing it. They had full on affairs like they had sex. I almost said SEX like I'm five. I don't know why the husband has no idea. So at first that has been has no idea.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Now Candy has a defense. She says, well, whoa, before you think I'm like such a creepy and sesduous freak, just listen to me. It's because my husband I just found out that he's gay. So she said that Jack had gotten sick. And then all of a sudden, he was struck with a quote unquote mysterious illness that left him homosexual. Yeah. What? Yeah. That he like got sick. And then after he recovered from it, he got another mysterious illness and it left him homosexual. And she doesn't know what it is, but it happened. And now her life
Starting point is 01:30:44 is shattered. She doesn't know what to is but it happened and now her life is shattered. She doesn't know what to do. Her husband is no longer attracted to her because she is homosexual. She must fuck her. So she must do what's normal and natural and fuck her nephew. It makes sense. And so she was just torn up by it. So it said that Jack had suffered respiratory issues and he had traveled to Europe to get treated for it because you know as one does when you're rich. So he was like, I can't go to a Houston hospital, what the fork, I'm not a peasant. And so he went to like, I don't know Italy to get treated.
Starting point is 01:31:14 And he gets treated by this. Now when he comes back, people said that he was like a new man. Like he seemed younger. He kept saying that the ocean air is better for him. So he would start staying in a key best game more than he would stay in Houston, because he was like, it's just better for my health, it's better for my respiratory issues than I have saltwater air just pulsing through my veins. And so he would spend a lot of time in Florida, and it was said that he was kind of taking this time to explore sexuality. So a lot of people do think that when he went to Europe,
Starting point is 01:31:43 because Europe was a lot more like was a lot more woke I guess than America during this time that he had more opportunities or maybe it was just the fact that he was without his wife and kids That he was just like, you know what? You only live once like what it was I doing with my whole life And so she just became really close to Melvin her nephew and Living with them or not. Yeah, he was living in one of their 28 bedrooms. See, I think that's why rich people have so many bedrooms. It's like, well, you gotta move your mistress in
Starting point is 01:32:11 and I gotta move my mistress in. And then we got all these kids. Yeah. So, I mean, that makes sense. And so, Jack would slowly start spending more time in the Florida condo. And Candy believed it was like him saying, oh, I don't wanna be near you anymore.
Starting point is 01:32:24 So she really took it as like a personal dig like she was like oh really like you were really saying you don't want me anymore And so before her and Melvin get sexual she forced him to do multiple things like she was like making out with him She was like growing him, but she was like before we full on do it I need you to get some procedures done first of all I need you to get circumcised Second of all I need your ears pinned to the side of your head because you look disgusting. You look like a little while your ears like that boo-boo. Wait, what is it? You encycloplastic surgery? Yeah, I actually had a friend in high school who did it in high school. Like it just makes your ear more
Starting point is 01:33:01 closer to your face? Yeah, they like, I don't know what they do, but I just remember that her ears used to stick out a lot, like even through her hair. And so she used to hate it all throughout middle school that in high school, she got that surgery and she started wearing like bandages for a couple of weeks and then it was like fixed. Well, I don't want to say fixed, but like you get it.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Yeah. And so he had his ears pinned to the side of his head. He also had really bad skin. So she made him go through multiple rounds of facials before that they would actually have sex because she was like, it can't have sex with someone who has face pimples. That's disgusting.
Starting point is 01:33:34 And yeah, he would snore at night, so she had his tonsils removed so that he could in snore at night because she was like, you know, if you're living in my house and we're doing it, behind my husband's back. That's so weird. I know, right? That just goes to show how weird she is. So she was like, I know, if you're living in my house and we're doing it, behind my husband's back. That's so weird. I know, right? That just goes to show how weird she is. So she was like, I can't have sex with you until you do all of these things.
Starting point is 01:33:50 So he went and got all of these things done with Jack and Candy's money. I mean, I want to say Jack's money because technically Candy wasn't working. And so he gets it all done with Jack's money and then they start just full on doing it. So Jack had given Melvin a job as a trailer salesman. So Jack had a lot of businesses and one of them was owning a lot of trailers and he had this huge plot of land. So Melvin would go and he would sell them,
Starting point is 01:34:15 he would make commission off of them, right? Now Candy was in charge of helping Melvin with any finance related things to get that job done and Melvin was living in the Houston mansion rent-free. I mean, it was kind of crazy because Jack took on Melvin as like a prodigy of some sorts. He knew that he was gonna pass before Candy, and he wanted someone that he trusted
Starting point is 01:34:34 to leave the family business with, with Candy, so that she would always be supported, because, you know, the kids at this point were still too young. It's not like they could take over the companies yet. And so he was really training him to take over parts of the businesses. Like he really treated him like a son. And he put a lot of trust into Melvin Powers. And now who would assume that there's an incestuous affair going along?
Starting point is 01:34:57 Not I. Now, Melvin and Candy would eventually grow very, very sloppy. So Jack started noticing like something was off with his wife, Candy. He's like, okay, I can't really put my finger on it. I feel like she's cheating on me, but like, who could she possibly cheat on me with? Like, she's always home. She's always like, you know, at the workplace.
Starting point is 01:35:14 She's never really like going out anymore. I just don't understand. And then all of a sudden, a coworker approached Jack and said, uh, sir, boss, you know how I work with Melvin powers? Well, he's been like making out with your wife on the job. And so Jack is like, what? And he was like, yeah, so Melvin was telling me and all my coworkers that he has control over your wife
Starting point is 01:35:39 because he's so good at eating her out. And he was like bragging about it and how he's doing all of this so that he can be rich and that he's gonna Have money one day because you know he got that pussy power and he just like is controlling your wife because that pussy power And it's just really really crazy. Oh my god Melvin powers pussy power. Sorry. Anyways, so then Melvin tells his coworker all of these things And he's like bragging about how he's sleeping with his own Aunt his by blood relative and so Jack is immediately super Disgusted like this is this is not even betrayal. This is not even oh my god my wife is cheating on me This is like what the fork like who is this person? That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard like he
Starting point is 01:36:22 He I don't even think he was necessarily sad. He was just so overwhelmed by disgust, like most people would be. Yeah. And so he was like, okay, hopefully it's a lie, because this is probably one of the most outrageous things I've ever heard in my entire life. And so he goes and he looks for Candy's diary inside the mansion, which probably took like, I don't know, 20 hours because how do you even look through a mansion like that?
Starting point is 01:36:42 And he finally finds it. He reads it, and there's multiple entries detailing the passionate sex that she was having with Melvin. Oh my god. And so obviously Jack is disgusted. He fires Melvin immediately and he tries to kick Melvin out of the Houston mansion. Now Melvin, he's like, wait, no, I'm not trying to leave this Houston mansion. Like I could never afford it this mansion. So if I move out of here, I'm gonna get my own place and it's gonna be like a shitty little apartment and you just fired me So no and they even had to call the police to get Melvin as squirted out of the house now Melvin did scream back at the couple One day I will return as the owner of this mansion as he's getting dragged out by the police
Starting point is 01:37:25 will return as the owner of this mansion as he's getting dragged out by the police. Freaking crazy. And what was the wife's reaction? She was just like, am I good? Yeah. And so Jack was really scared of both of them. He was scared of his own wife and he was scared of Melvin. I this had really scared him. So he wrote into his own journal and he said, if Mel and Candace don't kill me first,
Starting point is 01:37:42 I'll have to kill them first. Yeah. Yeah. Now the relationship ends up going downhill from this point. So Candice said that he was cheating and that's why she started cheating. Candice literally got caught cheating with her nephew and so neither of them had any love or respect or trust for each other. And so they officially like separated, but neither of them wanted to be the one to file for divorce.
Starting point is 01:38:05 So there was a lot of reason. So the basic reason was that they were super popular in the community, and if he divorced her, Candy would could possibly out him, and back in the days, like if you were outed as gay, you could lose your entire business, because people would be like, I don't want to work with a homeless sick soul, because people are idiots, and he could lose everything. Now, Candy didn't want people to know that she was cheating on her husband with her nephew because there is no amount of platinum hair Blonde dye or anything that could get her out of a scandal like that like no one's gonna still be like But she's so inspirational, you know, like she's such a family woman. No, no one's gonna think that so if Jack He is a family woman
Starting point is 01:38:43 So if Jack- He is a family woman. Oh! So if Jack files for divorce first, he would have to split his entire wealth with her, and a pre-nump was signed to agree this. If Jack files for divorce, he's the one leaving, so he would have to give, like, it would be a regular divorce. Now, if Candy files first, she would only receive $200,000. Okay. So if Candy is the one to say, I'm leaving this marriage, she would only get $200,000. Okay. So if Candy is the one to say, I'm leaving this marriage, she would only get $200,000.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Now, there is like $200 million on the table. So that's a lot of money. There also the $200,000 in today's inflation and all of that is $1.7 million, you know? So it's not like she was walking away with like $200K, which still is a lot of money, but you know, she would be walking away like with close to $2 million. And she was like, that's not enough. I would be walking away with close to $2 million.
Starting point is 01:39:25 And she was like, that's not enough. I could be walking away with $100 million. And so she was like, fuck this. She's like, how would I ever live? I would have to literally clean all these rooms by myself. I can't do that. God forbid. And so Jack decided, okay, why don't we just wait it out and see who files first? So they move out. He officially moves to Keybiscane. And she's living in the Houston mansion. If anyone asks, she's like, oh, he's got business in Florida. She's not British, but I think all rich people
Starting point is 01:39:51 are. And so he's like, oh, well, he's just in Florida taking care of business. And Jack would provide candy with a weekly allowance of... Dun-dun-dun! $42,000 a week. And allowance. He was like paying the mortgage and everything, then, $42,000 a week. Damn. And allowance. He was paying the mortgage and everything, but he was like, this is just spending money. The man, for sure, has never been to a grocery store.
Starting point is 01:40:14 She's like, I need to go get some groceries. He's like, here's $40,000. It's like, what? How much do you think eggs are? Like, what are you doing? $42,000 a week. How do you think? Tell me eggs what are you doing? $42,000 a week. How do you- Tell me eggs cost 20k.
Starting point is 01:40:27 I believed her. She said it was like super organic or something. And so obviously they didn't really like each other during all of this, but the idea that the other party had damaging information at their disposal was really stressful. So if Jack files for divorce, he was scared that Candy would be like, oh, he's only doing this because he's gay, you know, if she filed for divorce, he would be like, yeah, because she's having an, you know, in a fair with her nephew, divorce with this much money on the table is always gonna get messy. So both of them were like dancing around the paperwork. And so Candy all of a sudden decides that she's gonna have a surprise visit to Florida. So she
Starting point is 01:41:03 brings all of her kids, all the adoptive children to Florida to see their dad. I believe some people said that she only brought her adoptive children and not any of their biological children, but I'm not sure, right? So I do know that they were there. And so they get off the plane, they go see the dad, the dad was just like living there and the kids stay for a couple of hours. And while they're in the keep of skin condo, Candy says, I've got a major migraine.
Starting point is 01:41:27 I've got a major migraine. And so she's like, I can't do this anymore. I need to go to the emergency room. So she takes her four kids into the car and she drives to the emergency room to get her head checked out. Now, after she leaves, almost immediately after, an intruder breaks in.
Starting point is 01:41:42 And when Candy gets back at around 4.30 in the morning with the kids, she finds Jack laying dead in a blood soaked blanket and the kids see all of this. She immediately calls the police. When the police arrived there to the governor's large condominium, they find that Jack Mosler was found stabbed, covered in a blanket. He had 39 stab wounds, the blanket that covered him had stab wounds in it. So like this person was fucking pissed. Like this was not a robbery, this was not just like a home invader, like this was a crime
Starting point is 01:42:15 of passion. He had his head bashed in and it was an intensely emotional crime. So the autopsy itself said that even the blow itself to the head could have killed him or any one of the stabs could have killed him Like these were crazy intense fatal wounds now underneath the blanket Jack was just wearing a white undershirt He had hair in the palm of his hands and there was like this vase that was broken that was like lying on the floor So they hear the killers here in his hand it seems like it yeah
Starting point is 01:42:43 And so they also had two glasses Like highball glasses one of them had like three cigarette butts in it And it was just like full-on crime scene mode so CSI comes in and they start getting all these fingerprints Now the only good print that they could find was a palm print on the kitchen counter Now this was like back in the day where you couldn't really do like DNA and all these crazy things So they're like okay, like get this palm print pom-print is everything now they interview all of the neighbors and Herbert He's he was an upstairs neighbor and he remembered that the dog was like put out on the balcony and he kept Tolering down hey shut that dog up because the dog kept barking on the balcony and then he heard a male voice say
Starting point is 01:43:22 Don't do that to me. And then it was silence. Now he said that he probably speculated that maybe like the dog wasn't listening to the owner and he was like, don't do that to me. Like, don't bite my leg, you know. And so he just like went back to sleep. Now Irene, who's the downstairs neighbors, she said that she had been woken up because the dog just kept barking and she peeked out the door later. And she saw a man going around the corner of the hallway and she followed him, looked through the window and he got into a white car. But she never got a good look at his face but he got into a white car. And so the police fit this information immediately. They're thinking, okay, like it's got to be
Starting point is 01:43:58 the wife. Like the student is loaded, it's always the spouse. It's always the spouse. But the kids and the hospital allegedly confirmed that she was at the hospital. So she couldn't have done it. Now they were wondering, okay, well, are there any more enemies? So that's when they realized that Jack Mossler was in the finance business and he was fucking ruthless. Like, he had no shame, he was not afraid. He was very quick to seize people's homes, businesses, cars, if they didn't hold down their part of the bargain. If they were laid on their payment, he was not someone who was lenient. He kind of ruled with an iron fist and that's why he became so rich. So people were like, what any number of people in South Florida and Texas and pretty much
Starting point is 01:44:37 anywhere else would have wanted to kill Mosler. So this was just making it really complex for the police. And then all of a sudden, Candy walks into the police station the next day, and she sits down with the detectives and she gives them a buttload of information. She says, well, on top of that, he was exhibiting homosexual tendencies. So maybe it was a gay affair gone wrong. They would often fight him in as many, many gay lovers, because, you know, he didn't want to publicly come out, he didn't
Starting point is 01:45:05 want to divorce me, and so they would constantly get into fights. So what did they do with that information? So they started investigating anyone who was close to Drac Mosler, who was a male. And one in particular was a guy by the name of Vincent Cal To Grown, and he was an employee of the bank, and Jack would frequently stay at his tiny little dingy apartment with him, which is not really a multi-millionaire thing to do, you know? And he had no alibi, nothing connected him to the murder though, but it started a lot of rumors at this point, like Candy just outed her husband that is now deceased.
Starting point is 01:45:37 And it was just a lot. So then the police were like, okay, well our only solid lead is a white car. They ideed the white car as a Chevrolet, and they checked if anyone in the company drove a Chevrolet because they're like, oh, maybe it was like a disgruntled employee because that happens often. And the company itself had actually recently repote a car, and they started talking to a guy by the name of Roscoe Brown. So Roscoe Brown is like the employee
Starting point is 01:46:00 that would know anything about repote cars. So the police bring him in to be interviewed, and he said that he had delivered that car to Candice about six days ago, a white Chevrolet. She had landed in Miami from a family vacation in the Bahamas, and she needed a car while she's in Miami. We had just recently repot this from a man who didn't make his payments.
Starting point is 01:46:18 And so I just dropped it off at the plane, or dropped it off at the airport for her, and she started using it. Uh-oh. Now, Candy claims and she started using it. Uh oh. Now Candy claims that she did use it but she returned it to the company three days before the murder. The company says there's no record of her ever returning it. So where's the car?
Starting point is 01:46:35 So the police put out a bolo which is beyond the lookout right and they find it at the Miami International Airport in just like the middle of a parking lot. So it's just getting really weird. Now at this point They get the Houston Police Department involved because they're like, hey, what if it's someone in Houston that traveled Florida because he has so many enemies in Houston. I mean, he was a ruthless businessman and so the Houston Police they find Jack's diary Inside of his house on searching it and they find all of the scary things that he wrote about Melvin like I am scared that Melvin and Candace are gonna kill me. Then they also recalled the incident
Starting point is 01:47:06 where they had removed Melvin from the house, and he was screaming threats at Jack Mosler, and now Jack Mosler's dead, like holy shit. So they start looking into Melvin powers, and when they do, they find out that he actually flew from Houston Miami, or Houston, to Miami the afternoon of the murder. And he flew back to Houston seven hours after the murder.
Starting point is 01:47:27 So it's not like he was in Miami to have a good time, to have a weekend trip, to like, you know, a business trip. It was like he was there to do one thing and one thing only and then he freaking dipped out, right? The airport employees even remembered that he was in such a rush. He just kept saying like, I can't miss this plane.
Starting point is 01:47:42 I gotta go get out of my way, like to other passengers and just like pushing them around. They also found evidence that he stopped by at like a bar that was between the Miami Airport and the condo like right smack tab in the middle. So he went right after the plan landed. He stopped at this bar, then went to the condo, then came back after midnight before his flight took off again because he had like some time to kill. Wow. Then came back after midnight before his flight took off again because he had like some time to kill. Wow. Yes, so they immediately arrest him and this led to more evidence. So the Palm Print was a match to Melvin.
Starting point is 01:48:13 Now the police though, they don't think Melvin acted alone. Yes. But Candy left Miami before they could question her again and they needed more evidence to you know, arrest her. And Candy had already hired the top defense attorneys for Melvin Powers with all of the money that she just inherited. And at the hospital, they realized
Starting point is 01:48:31 that Candy had received several phone calls from a male voice who was saying, hey, I would like to speak to a patient by the name of Candy Mosler. And the police probably think it was Melvin telling her that the deed was done, and she can go back to the apartment and find the dead bodies naturally. So they arrest Candy, they bring her into custody and she hired a whole ass like football team of attorneys.
Starting point is 01:48:54 Now immediately when you are suspected of murdering someone that you're now inheriting all their money, they're going to freeze your assets. So how does she pay for this crazy full-on Intense renowned legal team. Yeah, she paid her attorneys in diamonds and fur and jewelry Because those were gifts that she received in the marriage. So technically they didn't freeze those assets Like they could didn't confiscate it and so she would literally be like, oh, thanks for like helping me today And then just like take off her fur coat and give it to them like, oh, thanks for like helping me today and then just like take off her fur coat and give it to them. And they were like, thanks. So I mean, I'm sure there was like a contract that if they helped her win, they would get, you know, their repayment or something. The other half of the air.
Starting point is 01:49:34 You get one first. And that right there is $3 million. And so immediately there's huge press coverage. You're, you're talking about sex money murder Incess to like this is Americans fucking go crazy for this shit We love this shit. We're like give us more. What else happens in Florida? We need to know Yeah, and so the trial was a shit show So the first witness was a random dude who said candy and melvin had hired him for a hit and he never got the rest of the down payment So he didn't go through with it. Which like, I can't believe the prosecutors put him on the stand because I mean he just got destroyed by Candy's legal team.
Starting point is 01:50:13 Because they just were bringing up all of his criminal past and it just made him look like such a shitty testimony. Like how can you even trust this person? Like this person will literally do anything for money. Oh shit. So it just made it look like it was, it was dumb. A five more hitman testified saying that they too were approached. They too on cross examination were just obliterated by the defense team. And so the prosecutor proved that they had an affair because they traveled a lot together and kept showing the jury a bunch of pictures that they took. Nightclub skiing lavish places.
Starting point is 01:50:46 It almost looked like they were a couple. Like it didn't look like the kids, like you would never think that they weren't a couple. Like if you just saw the pictures, you'd be like, oh, what a cute little family. Yeah. And so that's really disturbing, right? And so they said that the motive is that they wanted to be together, but they wanted all the money, too. And at the time that all of this was taking place, Jack was actually planning to take
Starting point is 01:51:06 Candy off of his will. So if he had died, she would get nothing. Now the stuffed shirt bar employees also said that Melvin left with a coke can and empty glass bottle because they used to be sold and just glass bottles back in the day. And so a lot of people think that that was the heavy trauma on the head, not the vase. So like the vase had fallen off and like the attack, but he had a bonked, you know, jack on the head with this empty Coke bottle. Yeah. Coke bottle killer.
Starting point is 01:51:33 The Coke bottle killer. And I mean, I see the prosecutor's theory. So their theory is that because this dog knew Melvin. So, I mean, it was a big dog. I don't remember which breed it is, but it was a big dog. So it's kind of like one of those guard dogs. But if Melvin knocked on the door, this dog knows Melvin. This dog is comfortable with Melvin.
Starting point is 01:51:53 I mean, it's not going to freak out. What kind of other big dog would let another human that they don't know lead them to the balcony without trying to bite them or like feeling like something is off, right? So they believe that Melvin came in, led the dog out to the balcony, confronted Jack, who was wearing nothing but an undershirt because he was getting ready to go to sleep. Maybe when he heard the knock on the door, he had just draped a blanket over him and opened the door like that. And then he got bonked on the head.
Starting point is 01:52:17 He started stabbing him. He decided to go wash his hands in the kitchen sink because they were completely bloody. And in the process, he left a handprint on the counter. He slips out of the apartment, gets into a white car, and phones candy at the hospital and tells her it's safe to go home. Now, the defenses theory is that even if each stab wound was why one single person that would be 39 killers, but there would still be more people in Florida who wanted Mossler
Starting point is 01:52:44 dead. What kind of defense is that? Just saying that that are so many people who wanted to just kill a Mosler. And they were just saying like it was yeah, and these attorneys were really good. Like there was not one witness that they didn't completely eviscerate on the stand. So it was described by the press that the attorney ate him up and spat him out like a predatory animal playing with a dead rabbit. So these were really
Starting point is 01:53:09 good attorneys. I mean she had top-notch, top-dollar bests that you can buy. And the defense, because they get paid hourly, I'm kidding I don't know, they gave a five fucking hour closing statement to the jury. And they just said, hey we're just trying to raise reasonable doubt because yes they were having an affair but if you have an affair does that mean you're a murderer by consequence? like how can you draw that connection yet no one is denying the affair so the prosecutors had spent a great deal of time trying to prove that the affair happened and now the defense is saying will it happen but how does that make her a murderer?
Starting point is 01:53:46 Damn. They're good. They were really good. And the jury found them. Not guilty. Oh my god. God. The jury believed that they did have an affair,
Starting point is 01:53:58 but the affair did an 100% mean that they were guilty of murder. And the press just fucking, they lost it. They went bad shit crazy. They were balls to the walls. They were saying this is the most insane verdict ever. People saw candy as just like this murderous bimbo, this fucking gold digger who murdered her husband. I mean it was insane. And what she did afterwards made it even worse. She threw a celebration party where she had murder trial posters that were hung up around town All of the guests signed it and they framed it as like a souvenir. Oh My god. She inherited the entire state plus the banking business and she changed the name of the banking business to Candice
Starting point is 01:54:39 Mosler enterprises Like what kind of disrespect is that? She did end up growing out or she did end up growing the business a little bit after. So she did, I don't know if some people say that she like doubled the money, I don't really know. She didn't kill the business. So there's that, I don't know if that means anything when she is probably a murderer. I say probably I mean
Starting point is 01:55:05 She's dead, but like who knows who could sue me from this and so she ends updating Melvin for another year after this and they eventually split up She married another man by the name of Barnett and he mysteriously died of brain damage after falling from the mansion's balcony mysteriously Wow balcony mysteriously. Wow. Uh-huh. And she was later found in a Miami hotel room overdosed on her migraine medication. Some people say she was 55. Some people say she was like 65.
Starting point is 01:55:34 We don't really know. Now Melvin himself, he became a huge Houston real estate developer, and he had a fortune upwards of $200 million that he had lost. He owned, he was in the news because he owned a huge luxury yacht that was 142 feet and he decided to extend it by 23 feet. He was like, this isn't long enough. And he had broken a world record of having the longest yacht on the western hemisphere
Starting point is 01:55:59 at the time. Which is like, yeah, that's what they do. Yeah, like what fucking kind of record is that? Yeah, yeah, they like to see who's we we's bigger. Yeah, mine's longer. I'm gonna get mine extended by 20 to 8 feet, so fuck you. Like it's really dumb, right? And to be fair, he was in and out of bankruptcy,
Starting point is 01:56:16 so I don't even know, like was that yacht just like ruining it for him? And he eventually died at 68 years old and his cause of death was undetermined. And that is the story of the Moser family. And the Moser murder and just like, what the heck? This is probably insane because, I mean, we do have some cases where killers get off
Starting point is 01:56:37 and you know that they did it, but there's always like a legal loophole or they get like this crazy defense team or they frame someone else. But this is so just blatant and she inherits like this insane fortune and lives out the rest of her life and happy bliss. But she had a full-on love affair with her nephew. That's so gross.
Starting point is 01:56:59 Yeah. Now, what are your thoughts on this one? I mean, I feel like it was a little lighter than the sex to your family, but so dark. It's just like, you hear about the rich people and their wild in stature. What? What in the fucking rich?
Starting point is 01:57:14 Is this? No, like, okay. And then, even afterwards, it's like, okay, no, it's okay. Karma's going to get them. Karma's going to get them. She's worth $300 million. He becomes like a yacht owner And you're just like where the fuck is karma? Yeah, you know, I step on a crack once and I got karma
Starting point is 01:57:32 And you just get to murder people and then have the longest we we yacht in the western hemisphere I will never understand yachts Just won't get it. What are you not getting? It's just like a big boat. It just seems like a lot of money for what? Have you been to a yacht party? No.
Starting point is 01:57:56 Me either. I'm just not a big boat fan. I'm scared of water. So many people go missing on boats and yachts. Oh that's why rich people have yachts. They're like just fucking push them off. Wow rich people secrets exposed on today's Rotten Mango. Let me know your thoughts on these cases and I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast and I will see you in the mini-sode because we're doing mini-sodes now. Bye! in the mini-sode, because we're doing mini-sodes now.
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