Rotten Mango - #45- Korean Manson Cult (Case Jijonpa Family Cult)

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

A cult in Korea heard the saying “eat the rich” and they decided to do just that. Literally. They turned their victims into side dishes for their Korean BBQ. Is this about the ever-growing weal...th gap or are they just a sinister cult looking for blood?  Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:31 Butterbeam, butterbeam. It's mini-soed. Okay, I just have to put this out there. I bit my tongue. I bit my tongue so bad. I don't even know how to describe it. It's swollen to the size of what I imagine a cow's tongue to be. And do you know how difficult it is to talk when your tongue is swollen to the size that it's not normally supposed to be? I didn't even know that it would make such a difference. But now I just got this foreign object like this little slimy tongue just wobbling around inside my mouth. And I don't know what to do with it. Why is it so swollen? You tell me. I don't know how tongues work. So this week's podcast, it's gonna be a little tonguey.
Starting point is 00:01:05 It's gonna be a little weird. There's gonna be a lot of, just big tongue mood. That's it. I don't know what else to say. So quick disclaimer. Now this week's podcast, I'm so excited about it. And I just wanna give a big shout out to my mom because she helped me translate a lot of these.
Starting point is 00:01:21 I wanna thank my mother. I thank my mom for this award. Because she helped me translate a ton of these. And this is a Korean case about the Korean Manson family. No, it's not like a little section of the Manson family. Now they're in Korea. This is what Korea describes as their version of the Manson family. It's a Korean cannibal cult.
Starting point is 00:01:40 There is no correlation. I mean, I guess there's not really anything that they have in similar other than the fact that they are Colts and they went on to murder people, but you know go off. So the Korean manson family otherwise known as Chijonpa. Yes, that's the name of the code or the dude? That's the name of the cult Chijonpa. Chijonpa. What does that mean? I think it's supposed to mean like Chijon family, but Chijon's not even his last name. Chijon's not I think it's supposed to mean like Chijon family, but Chijon's not even his
Starting point is 00:02:05 last name, Chijon's not even his name, it's his nickname. So it's like me being like, being family. It's my cold name, Garbanzo being family. So Chijon Pa, we're going to get started on the Chijon Pa Cult. And this one's weird. I mean, you know that saying, eat the rich. This has become a very popular saying these days. Well, this cult, they said, okay, that's a really cool saying. We're gonna do that. We're
Starting point is 00:02:27 gonna do exactly that. We're gonna do that literally. We're gonna cannibalize the rich. We're gonna fucking cook them up and make them into side dishes. They turned rich people into punten. That was their whole ideal. Sorry, that was really graphic. The way that they got their little hit list. They didn't even make a list of like, you know what? My neighbor's kind of rich. You know what? Jeff Bezos do be the richest man on earth. We're gonna target these people. They didn't even make a list of like you know what my neighbor's kind of rich You know what Jeff Bezos do be the richest man on earth. We're gonna target these people They didn't even do that. They went to a department store this massive mall called the Hyundai mall Well, there's mobile cars Hyundai the car, but the car company also owns malls
Starting point is 00:02:57 They go to this Hyundai department store and they bribe a disgruntled employee they say hey you just got fired You hate this company. You hate Hyundai. You want them to burn. So why don't you just go and ask a friend who works there to illegally print off the list of 1,200 of the top spenders at this department store and give it to us? Because you know these department stores, they ask you for your address.
Starting point is 00:03:21 They ask you for your name. They have your credit card on file a lot of the times. So they said, give us the list, we're not going to go and steal their credit cards, we're not trying to go buy stuff, we're trying to kill them. And he was like, okay, so he gave them the list and that became the group's hit list. So in order to get a full understanding of this group, we need to start with none other than the leader. So the leader's name is Ki-wan Kim. Now Ki-wan Kim, we're just going to call him leader Kim and he was 27 years old when he got arrested. So the leader's name is Ki-wan Kim. Now Ki-wan Kim, we're just gonna call him leader Kim,
Starting point is 00:03:45 and he was 27 years old when he got arrested. So this group is entirely young. It's made up of he's the oldest, then there's maybe like a 23-old, and then the rest were like 2021. So insanely young. Now I couldn't really find a lot about his entire childhood. Like there's no evidence that it was abusive. There's no evidence that it was violent. There is evidence, however, that he was born incredibly poor, but that is common with a lot of families in South Korea, then and to this day, but he had really, really big ambitions. That was his thing. He was every single year.
Starting point is 00:04:17 He would rank the top of his class every single year. And some of the kids that he went to school with, I mean, they weren't rich, but they had enough money that the parents were like okay I'm gonna get you a tutor on the weekends you know but he would rank top of his class a lot of the times even when he was ranking top of his class he'd be working at night so it seems like he's got this whole world set up for him it's like okay you're gonna excel in school you're gonna get out of poverty you're gonna go to college all of these things and that was his plan he was like I'm gonna get out of
Starting point is 00:04:43 this shit hole I don't want my family starving anymore I don't't want to see them hungry. I'm gonna go to college. I'm gonna be the first in my family, get to college, and I'm not gonna work a manual labor job, and I am gonna work in an office, and I'm gonna pay for shit, you know? He was excited. So any time that they would have these like academic events, so the one that he excelled in the most was, you know, the Japanese version of chess, they call it go, I believe, where it's the black and white marbles. Yeah. Which is a strategy game, just like chess. He ranked number one in the district multiple times. So this kid is really hard.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah, so this kid is academically smart. Now, what makes it even crazier is that he actually skipped a lot of days in class. Like, he wouldn't even show up every single day because his family was fanciing financial trouble, so he'd be like, okay, well, I can't kind of class this entire week because I gotta go make money. Like, we don't have food on the table. So I gotta go, I don't know, do some shit to make some money so that we can eat.
Starting point is 00:05:35 He had a bunch of siblings and he's like, we gotta eat something, but he was still top of the class. Now, he ends up dropping out at the seventh grade, even though he was top of his class because his dad ended up dying. Now, the dad, he was working a bunch of construction jobs. He wasn't making a lot of money,
Starting point is 00:05:51 and now that he's dead, nobody else was making money. So these kids, they were forced to pull out of school and just start feeding themselves. So he starts moving to different cities in South Korea. He first moves to Busan, which is, like, I believe it's at the tip of the peninsula, and he starts working on a shoe factory's at the tip of the peninsula, and he starts working on a shoe factory there, just tons of factory work, like hard labor for
Starting point is 00:06:09 a seventh grader, like an eighth grader. And this is in the 90s, I mean, I don't know how it works today, but like I can't believe they just let them work. Well, yeah, back in the days, I think. Yeah. A body is a body. A body is a body, but I guess, I mean, worse to say no you can't work and then no and also like Even in China too like in the poor areas. Yeah, as certain age you just have to work and
Starting point is 00:06:34 Feed usually you know you can't afford everybody to go to school So usually one or two get to go to school and the rest will just work. That's so sad Yeah, a lot of time it's just you just make that sacrifice even though you really want to go to school. You're like, okay, I'm gonna work, so my little sister, usually my little brother can go to school. Usually, bit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, so yeah, he works at the shoe factory. I mean, really sad, right? Then he starts moving to different parts of South Korea, works at like a plywood factory, which I'm sure, I don't know why that just sounds so dangerous. Then he moves to Seoul, which is the main capital of South Korea,
Starting point is 00:07:12 and he does more manual labor jobs. And he was always described as someone who is diligent. He's got this crazy work ethic, like you could not make this kid stop working. Like it's insane. Most kids, they just lay around and do what I do, like scroll on TikTok and he's working in factories. Like this is a lot of biting spirit is what they called him.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Now I don't know if that's a common thing to call someone in South Korea, but this kept coming up in like so many different articles. A lot of biting spirit. What? We have sayings like that. Does it just mean like by the books type of kid? Like just a nice member of society. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And it's important. It's very important to be that. Like that means you're a good person. Oh, if you abide by the laws. Yes. Okay. That makes sense. I mean, I can kind of get on board with it.
Starting point is 00:07:58 So he's described as someone who's just a hard worker. Overall, that's just what he called him. And now while he's working in the main capital of South Korea, that's when he starts noticing some shit. I don't know if he noticed this prior, but he said when he went to Seoul, this is when it got so crazy. I mean, the amount of rich kids that he saw. He said it was insane.
Starting point is 00:08:18 I mean, these rich kids that are the same age as him. He's working in a factory. He's leaving sweaty. Just soar all over the place, and these rich kids just decked out in his year salary in clothes. Just wearing these Gucci flip-flops. I guess it's also at this same age.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Yeah, it's really just annoying, no? Shocking. It's shocking, and I think the 90s was really important in South Korea. So this takes place in like 1993 to 1995, and during that time, there was this was really important in South Korea. So this takes place in like 1993 to 1995. And during that time, there was this major economic boom in South Korea. So you've got the rich getting richer. You've got lots of corruption in politics,
Starting point is 00:08:53 lots of corruption in major companies. And then you have the poor who either stay the same or they get poor because the rich keep getting richer. And they're like, well, we don't really care about you. So we're just going to jack up prices because we kind of like this lifestyle. This was like the first influx of tons of just foreign stuff coming into the country. I'm talking like, you know, designers, I'm talking foreign cars. So now you can visually see it. I think to this day, I mean, there's so many foreign cars in South Korea now that if you go, you
Starting point is 00:09:19 won't really bat an eye if you see a bunch of Maazirates on the street, right? But I think back in the day because it was just starting. It like oh my god is that what is that car yeah like what is this 18 year old doing driving that fucking car it's just kind of like this shocking thing of like whoa I know you didn't earn that money probably you know you're 12 like what are you doing so he would constantly see these things in the streets of Seoul, and then when he would go home, he would watch the news, and the news would start talking about it.
Starting point is 00:09:49 They'd be like, can you believe it? These rich kids, they would spend money like it's water. Do you guys see this? Like it was flex culture on crack. They're like, look at them, and they're you know, foreign cars. Look at their sweet 16 birthday parties. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And a lot of them were getting into a lot of trouble for using money to get out of legal trouble and or get into colleges. They had an explosive insane college entrance exam scandal during this time. I know that we recently had one in the US and it was explosive, but that was happening in the 90s. So he's reading the news. And this kind of strikes a chord with him.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Like he gets really pissed off by this because he dropped out of school in the seventh grade not because he was failing, not because he didn't want to go to school, not because he didn't try hard, but because he couldn't afford to stay in school and feed himself. So he's like, you're telling me this little bitch, this little rich bitch in Gucci just like got into the school because money like mommy has money, like that's insane. And they actually had a name they were known as Yata. The rich kids. And I'll tell you why.
Starting point is 00:10:49 So I was really confused right this because I was like that's not a Korean word. Like where is this word coming from? Yata, right? It doesn't sound Korean at all. And it means, Yata, which means hey you get in, get in the car. Like the mean girls, get get in bitch we're going shopping like straight up that's how the name came apart who say that yeah you the rich kids will always say yeah you so the rich kids were known for especially the rich kid boys
Starting point is 00:11:15 getting these foreign cars mazerotti's Mercedes Benz that's the same shit you know all of these rich people cars And they would drive around the streets of solar. They would see a pretty girl. They have no idea who this girl is. They would grab a lot of cash to implicate. Like, oh, this is how much I can pay you to hang out with me for the day. And they would just say, yeah, like you get in. Shut up.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Yeah. Oh my god. And all of these adults are looking at this. Like, what is going on in our country? Like, I'm literally coming home from a nine to five job. My feet are sore. Like, I got to put food on the table. And this little 18 year old is like, hey you, get in.
Starting point is 00:11:53 You know, it's like, I mean, I would want to smack them too. Come on, let's be real. Like, it's pretty annoying. So they were called the Yatas. So they just skirt, skirt, yeah, ta. Now, Yaya is also kind of a mean way of saying like you, especially if you don't know someone in Korean culture. It's like, hey you, it's good.
Starting point is 00:12:10 They're all little brats. Yeah, like they're very bratty, right? So, you know, he was reading about this. He was watching it on the news. He's experiencing in real life. And he moves back to his little small town at that point. He's like, okay, I'm done with this. Maybe I can like set up a farm.
Starting point is 00:12:24 I just need to find what the next thing I'm gonna do is, and that's when he gathers up all of his friends that he met while he was playing poker. He's like, hey, you get in and you bring a friend and you bring a friend and most of them had a criminal history. So they're all sitting down together and all of them had worked manual labor jobs
Starting point is 00:12:39 and they were sick of it. That was the one thing that they bonded on. Like this freaking sucks. Have you seen the news? Have you seen that the yacht taz are just spending all this money? And we're just, what are we doing? We're just breaking our bones and sweating all day for what? For what?
Starting point is 00:12:51 For the Yacht Taz. That's who we're working for. We're working for a company whose kids are just living life like this. Like this is insane. And so they sit around and he says, listen, we can get back at them. We can do something about this. We don't have to live this life, you know? I mean, this is weird, don't you think? And they're all like, yeah. 이는 우리의 So 22, yeah, it's complex, okay? So the eldest was 22 and he's 27. And in Korean culture, you have to show respect just because of their age.
Starting point is 00:13:29 This is really important. If you are two years older than me, there is a different, almost like a different way that I talk to you. Like almost like a different language. It's a very respectful tone. I can't call you, you, I can't say hey you, you know? And so because of that, they were just like,
Starting point is 00:13:44 oh yeah, absolutely, that's what you call them, like an hey you, you know? And so because of that, they were just like, oh yeah, absolutely, young, like that's what you call them, like an older brother, like absolutely. I totally agree with what you're saying, right? So they're like, let's come up with a gang. We don't even know what we're gonna do yet, but we're gonna come up with a gang. So we should we name our gang.
Starting point is 00:13:56 So they're all sitting there, they're drinking their little soju's, and they're like, you know what? Mask on. We're gonna call ourselves mask on. Oh, right. Now you're probably like, what's mask on? I have a guess mask on oh you're probably like what's mask on I have a guess what mask game okay no you said mask on COVID no they said mask on is a Greek word for ambition now in hindsight it's a
Starting point is 00:14:22 little funny because no one can find a similar meaning or pronunciation for that so I don't know who told them that mask on was the Greek word for ambition. Now in hindsight it's a little funny because no one can find a similar meaning or pronunciation for that. So I don't know who told them that mascan was the Greek word for ambition because it's not. So they're like that's what our group is going to be called. And then eventually they were like now we don't really like that name like we should stick to our Korean roots. Like what's your nickname? What's your nickname? And the leader was like you know they call me Chijoon. So why don't we call this Chijun Pat, Chijun Family? Is Chijun just a regular name? So the Chijun is not a regular name. Thank you for asking. It's actually his nickname from a Chinese movie called Chijun Muzang.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I don't know if that's how you pronounce it in Mandarin. Absolutely not. Casino Raiders. I showed you the picture the other day and I said, Hey, how do you pronounce this? you said why and I said never mind The casino raiders so it's a Hong Kong-based gambling movie So it's just about this gang who comes together to gamble and try to like outsmart the system I mean there is just an intense obsession with money in this entire group They hate the rich, but they also really have a lot of emphasis on money They don't hate the rich for corruption, they don't hate the rich for
Starting point is 00:15:25 being these nasty people, they hate the rich because like that's so annoying that you're like driving around in these foreign cars, like that's really annoying to me, you know? Yeah. So he really loved this gambling movie, he watched it over 30 times and he started idolizing just the gang life, getting rules, primarily loyalty, allegiance, making money together, getting revenge. Those were all very prominent themes inside the casino raiders. So now he's like, all right, we're going to be Tijon Pai. And that's how we're going to run things. We're going to get this crazy gang. And you know what? Let's read this book together. No straight up. I know it sounds crazy. But he's like, let's sit down and read this book together.
Starting point is 00:16:01 And it was called Yayan, which is a Japanese book about betrayal. And what do you do to someone who betrays you? That was like a theme in the book. And there's a part where someone gets betrayed and they push the betrayer off a cliff. And this is pertinent to the story later. Now this isn't a gang that just like reads books and watch movies together, okay?
Starting point is 00:16:20 That's like the type of gang I want to be in. But this isn't that type of gang, okay? They've got goals. They hate rich people, and they literally want to eat the rich. So they put together a list of rules, and the rules are this. We hate those with a lot of money. You have to hate anyone who's rich. It doesn't matter if they're the nicest person in the world. You have to hate them.
Starting point is 00:16:38 A traitor to the group must be killed. Even if they apologize, even if they had to, you to you know betray you they got to be killed number three This is a not one do not trust a woman not even your own mom Weird one Yeah, so they're just like through that in there. They were like you know what murder eat the rich Misogyny we took you can't forget misogyny. Don't forget that one. That's a big one So they have all of these goals and they just felt personally attacked They would sit around and share these stories about like how much they hate
Starting point is 00:17:07 rich people. One of them said, you know, one time I got beat up by my teachers because I wasn't able to bring crayons to class because I can't afford crayons. Now in the 90s, Korean teachers did beat the kids, so this is verified. And he was like, you know, I can't afford crayons and I would get beat every day because they'd be like, you forgot your crayons again. Like how can you forget crayons? Like that's the one thing you was supposed to bring today are the freaking crayons You never learned anything you're so busy like going out playing with your friends that you forgot your crayons And he would get beat constantly until one day He stole a box of crayons from the store brought them the next day and the teacher was like good you finally learned
Starting point is 00:17:38 So he's saying like you know this is putting the connection in my head that in order to do something good and not get in trouble I'm gonna steal from the people who have it. And I don't feel bad about it because if I don't, I get beat. So he's, you know, talking about that, they kept talking about how rich people never have to lift a finger, but they complain all the time. So these are from like their letters that they wrote. They also said that poor people fade away working like cows and horses. They said society is set up that poor people never become wealthy, which isn't fair. And why do we work so hard? You know, if they're like the rules of the
Starting point is 00:18:09 game are written against us, pretty much that's what they're saying. So their plan going forward, how do we fix this? You know, do we become activists? Really? Do we, do we become activists? Do we try to do something about it? They said, we're going to kidnap the rich, we're going to take their money, and we're going to kill them. That was their plan. It's like a bunch of five years old. Come over to the plant. We hate it. We want it. Let's kill them.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Yes. Yeah, which is like, this is why it's such a complex thing to talk about because you can feel for them, you understand them, and you think that there is an issue with the wealth gap, but then at the same time you're like, but you really shouldn't kill anyone. I just don't understand. Like you're worse than them, you know? And they did really intense training
Starting point is 00:18:52 for these killing sessions. They started hiking the second tallest mountain in South Korea called Cheedeisan. So they would hike up there. They would all wear the little headbands, like you know, the Nike headbands that are in style right now, but they would say a Chee-jongp Pa on it, and they would just hike up there
Starting point is 00:19:06 and they would stay up on that mountain for two weeks. Like this is cult training, that's what they do, they're like we got a train for this shit. They put up all their money together, they raised all their money, all the savings that they had from all the construction jobs, they went around and stole money, they did a lot to gather this money, and they started building a house. And this would be known as their murder house. And they built it brick by brick. And it was the strangest thing
Starting point is 00:19:30 because it's the cutest little house. It's like this pink and light green colored house. And I'm sure they painted it that way. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, so that no one would assume that they're killing people in that cute little house. But it's like pastel pink, baby pink, sage green. Like it just looks like an Instagram worthy spot.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Uh-oh. Yeah, and so they painted it. And now in the basement of that house, they had a jail cell to hold rich people. They also had a giant oven where they would incinerate these rich people's bodies. They said we're gonna stick them in the oven so that they would, you know, we can get rid of their bodies.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Oh, okay. Yeah, now this isn't like the country side of Korea. So this wasn't like straight up in the metropolitan area. This was dense, dense, dense country. The village at this point was known to have zero crimes. No crimes, nobody was stealing anything. They only had about like 19 houses nearby and 16 of them were like the same family.
Starting point is 00:20:20 They were somehow all related. So it was like just one family and then like maybe a couple other people. So this is not like a densely populated area. So this was just, no one was really paying attention to them. They're like, oh, they're just a bunch of weirdos. They just like want to live out in the countryside, okay? Now inside the house, they had that giant oven.
Starting point is 00:20:38 They had two cars, a big truck and a small car. They had walkie-talkies. They purchased a lot of dynamite. They had 17 weapons, including six rifles. A summer, I wanna call it a small car, they had walkie talkies, they purchased a lot of dynamite, they had 17 weapons, including six rifles, a summer, I wanna call it a submarine gun, but it's a submachine gun, I don't know what that is, a pistol, a BB gun, military swords, hiking swords that are disguised as hiking sticks.
Starting point is 00:20:58 So someone had magiverted, and it looks like one of those sticks that the Korean grandpa's used to like hike up a mountain, but then you you unroll it and it's like this nice pick That you can just stab people with now. I mean it gets really intense The first thing is the initiation every gang every cult There's got to be some sort of initiation it's a moment You know in America a lot of it involves drugs and you do LSD and you're like I've been initiated I saw Jesus, you know, but in this situation, they were like, we got a gang rape someone.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Yeah. So now it's where it gets really serious. So the first kidnapping, they kidnapped a woman coming off the bus. Now, was she rich? No. She was actually the daughter of a farmer. So she came from like just very similar background as them. They didn't have money and she comes off the bus. They kidnapped her, they take her into the mountains, close to their little murder house, and they gang rape her. Now the purpose of this gang rape, I'm certain is probably for bonding, for power purposes. They call it like kinship is what a lot of people refer to it as, for them to like kind of like form a brotherhood, I guess.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So six men. There were six men? Yeah. So they rape her and then the leader looks at the crew and says, Hey, I'm gonna, well, it's actually seven men at this point. It'll be six later. And he says, I'm gonna show you how to kill someone. This is how you do it.
Starting point is 00:22:19 And he starts strangling her. Now, I couldn't find any record if he killed anyone before this. I know that he had run ins with the law afterwards But I mean there's no record that he ever had a run in with murder like he didn't murder anyone There's no him saying oh this wasn't my first murder So it's kind of odd that he said this I think maybe it was him trying to like establish his position inside the gang like oh I'm gonna teach you how to do it
Starting point is 00:22:41 So he starts strangling her and the gang members even they said it was a little strange. They said it was kind of like a messy killing. It wasn't done strategically, skilled or in a smooth way. He just like was struggling to strangle this woman to death. Then she dies and they bury her in the mountains. So their first victim is not even who they hate, which I think is so messed up, not saying that it should have been someone else Or you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I mean Now before the gang gets caught she's found and they find that she's the daughter of a small farmer Like what is the motive like we don't understand they start investigating all of the loved ones everyone that she knew Like they investigated sex offenders nearby and there was nothing so it became like a closed case like they were like We can't find out who murdered her and buried her in the mountains
Starting point is 00:23:25 This is insane. So after the first murder what are the gang members completely falls off the radar? Just one of the gang member. Yeah, he just completely fell off everyone else was like, you know, still with him He just like ran away. Okay, and they were like what happened in that gang member, right? I originally thought it's got to do with he's scared like he doesn't want to be a part of this He doesn't want to murder people like seeing that is a wake up call, like he's like, no, I don't wanna murder people, you know? But it's not really the only reason. He had lied about being 23 years old.
Starting point is 00:23:53 He was actually 18 years old. When he joined the gang, the cult, he showed his ID, but it was his brother's ID, his older brother, that's 23. And they were like, oh my God, you're 23. So all of the rest of the gang, they started calling him Young which is the respectful term of older brother and because he was the second oldest in the group
Starting point is 00:24:11 He was given more extra duties because Korean culture is all about age like seniority and age is super important And so because of his age he became the accountant He started managing all of the funds and all of the gang members They would have to give all of their money to the fund So he ran away with the money? So he stole a little bit of the money He stole three thousand dollars of the money and he ran away So the gang they find him. Yeah, though Chi-jongpa they find him the cult finds him and they tell him
Starting point is 00:24:40 It's okay. You were probably shocked about the murder That's the only reason you would run away from us. I mean, it was your first murder. It's always so intense. It's a hard pill to swallow. Don't worry. Nothing's wrong with you. Like seriously, it's gonna be okay. Like, we accept you for who you are. It's fine. Not everyone's built to murder. So just come back with us and maybe we can talk things out. And you know, he's like, are you sure? Like, I'm really scared. Like, I mean, I know that I really messed up. Like, I know that you guys know about the missing money, but I just felt like I needed some money to go on the run because you guys were gonna find me and, you know, I'm a trader. And they're like, no, you were just
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Starting point is 00:27:53 dog is tied up like they have a leash on it now or a makeshift leash. And they're saying, okay, well I'm going to show you guys what we're going to do next. So, leader Kim, he grabs a knife and a pickaxe and he starts killing the dog, the stray dog. And he says, this is how you brutally murder someone who betrays you. And it was a vicious blood bath. I mean, the dog was brutally killed. And then he said, this is what we do next. We're going to consume the flesh of the dog. Listen, we talk about so many. What is the other guy doing? He's just tied up watching this. Watching this?
Starting point is 00:28:27 Yeah, and I know that we talk about so many serial killers in the making, Richard Chase ate so many animals. Don't come for this Korean, okay? Because we're Korean. Okay, but like you can come for them for eating the dog, but don't make a racist joke, please, thank you. And so they ate the dog. Now, after they do that, the gang member member is like now you guys try with this gang member
Starting point is 00:28:48 All of you guys kill this shamed gang member who's a traitor He stole our money. He refuses to work with us He doesn't sit with our ideals anymore like we need to kill him Uh-huh And so the rest of the gang kill the gang member and the leader doesn't touch him Yeah, the leader doesn't even touch him the leader is like yeah, well, I showed you how to do it on the dog Now you guys go ahead so they murder the traitor and then the leader gets arrested so you're thinking okay Finally justice for the victims like they found the the connection between the woman that was gang raped
Starting point is 00:29:20 They found the connection between the traitor and now they're all gonna go down and that is the end of the story. Nene, no sir, because he actually gets arrested for raping his friend's niece who was in middle school. So she had reported to the police like a couple months ago, this old man, this dude, that he's like 30 now, he raped me, he's my dad's like my uncle's friend. So the police were able to trace him down, they arrest him, they have no idea that he just committed two murders and they arrest him for rape. And he was only sentenced to five years in prison, even though she was in middle school or he was in his thirties. And this was a brutal savage rape. Okay, so he was gone for five years? So yeah, so now he's in jail. Now you're thinking, okay, like the group is without their charismatic leader. The cult without the leader, like that's no longer a cult. They gonna disband. It's gonna fall apart. It's just gonna be a shit show
Starting point is 00:30:07 No, no who knows who's the leader now. There wasn't even an established rank between all of them yet So it wasn't like you are the vice president. You're the second-in-command You're the accountant. You're the treasury. They didn't have any of that like it was too soon to know So they don't they have no idea who there's supposed to report to. So you would think that the gang would disband, but instead they start visiting him in the local jail and take orders for him while he's sitting in jail for the rape of a middle schooler. And he tells them, that was just the initiation. That was practice.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Now we've got to start killing rich people. Now's the time that we kill rich people. So they said, okay, what do you think we should do? How do we spot out these rich people? So at this point they didn't have that Hyundai Supermodel list yet, so they didn't have these VIP clientele lists So they're like how do we know if someone's rich? And they're like, you know what car screams rich to me the Toyota Granger It was like this new model that came out
Starting point is 00:31:01 Well, they had some old versions, but like the new newest model is pretty expensive. Is it just like a camera or something? Like a little bit better. I think is what they said. I think it's a discontinued one or maybe it was only released in Asia. I've never heard of a Granger. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So long ago. So they're like, yeah, the Toyota camera. Yeah, camera. The Toyota Granger. It was the newest 8-car. So if you're riding around in this car, I mean you must have money. You must have shmoney and you must be killed. So the third and the fourth victims, they find sitting in a Toyota Granger, they were driving around and they were both musicians. So one male who, so it creates interesting because they don't like to release victims names.
Starting point is 00:31:41 So we just know his surname. So it's the musician Lee is how people refer to him that's just how they do it right so there's a male 37 a female 27 and their bandmate so they play you know musical instruments together and they're driving around just having a good time and they see a Toyota grandeur drive by the cult they're just scouting the streets and they see that Toyota so they're like all right we going to kill these rich motherfuckers. Like they don't deserve to live. Now here's the sad part about this. This was a used older model that actually
Starting point is 00:32:11 wasn't that expensive. So these people didn't even have money. But they were like, because they're driving this model and make, we're going to go kill them. So they start driving with the car. And they're driving right next to the grandeur behind the grandeur. And then eventually one of the cars of the cult so they're in two cars right the main
Starting point is 00:32:27 truck they drive in front of the granger and then the back one traps the granger and they just both stop so now this car this Toyota is in the middle and they're like okay well now we can't really do anything like we're stuck in between these two cars so they get out and they're like hey what's the problem like did something happen like this is gonna be an accident and they grab a gun they grab a knife they go up to the two people inside the Toyota and they say all right like you're going to get into our cars now and we're going to take your car. So it felt very much like a car jacking so they get tied up a couple times they were
Starting point is 00:32:55 stabbed here and there they were I want to say like superficially stabbed but I'm sure it was incredibly painful so that they wouldn't they'd be scared they would be too scared to try to make a run for it. So they put them into their vehicles, one of the other cult members, they start driving the Toyota and they take them to the murder house. Now when they get back to the murder house, they gang rape the female. And we're going to call her Susie because Susie is a big part of this story from now on. So they gang rape Susie and they ask the musician, hey, pay me money. Like we need all of your money I know you got money you and your stupid ass Toyota Granger give us your money And he's like what do you mean? I have no money like I seriously don't have any money like I was struggling
Starting point is 00:33:33 Musician I can barely get work right now. I just started producing music and I just I wanted to make it big And I gave up everything to become a musician. I have no money like what do you mean money? And it turns out he was right he was able able to show, he was able to call bank accounts, and they were like, yeah, your balance is like $3, you don't have any money. So they're like, okay, like what do we do? Now that we kidnapped someone who doesn't have money, the whole point of this was to get money from them and then kill them. So they're like, okay, let's think about it, let's think about it.
Starting point is 00:33:59 So as they're thinking about it, they're like, we're just gonna have to kill them. I mean, tough luck. Like, we can't let them go. They saw our faces. We gang raped the female. They can't live. Plus, we don't really care about them. So they said, I'm gonna kill you the right way. I'm gonna kill you in a way that's not painful.
Starting point is 00:34:14 So they start force feeding the male alcohol, just shoving Soju down his throat. And they tell the girl, if you don't kill your friend, they tell Susie, if you don't kill your friend, I'm going to kill you. They want the girl to kill him. Yeah. And she's crying. And she's like, then I guess you have to kill me because I'm not going to kill my friend.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah. And so they said, okay, well, if you insist and they put a plastic bag over the male musician and they start suffocating him and they grab Susie's hands forcefully and they push her hands on his mouth. So she is now an unwilling participant in her own friend's murder. And she's like crying. I mean, I'm sure she's like really torn up about this. Now this was, they said it was like a brainwash attempt.
Starting point is 00:34:56 They wanted to make her feel like she's part of them. Like she's one with them. Like maybe this is a bonding moment for her. Maybe this will make her feel like, well, now I'm like part of this cult and maybe they can teach her about the ideologies afterwards And then she'll be like, you know what? You're right like I can totally see why you just murdered my best friend And so she was forced to kill her best friend with them And I think they did it for a secondary reason that now she can't really go to the police. She's an accomplice Why don't they killing her? Well, it seems like one of the gang members likes her. Well, happened to ruin the members. I know three. So
Starting point is 00:35:29 the other gang members, all of them were saying, we've got to kill her. Like, she's crying, like, she's doing the most. She didn't want to kill her friend. She doesn't have what it takes. She doesn't want to be part of our cult. Like, she's not going to be a good cult member. We can never trust her. And there's this guy named Kim. We're going to call him Kim. So there's leader Kim, who's in jail jail and then this guy's Kim, okay? Now Kim, he was like, no, the Okay, yeah, that's like a cult name K. Yeah, K jewelers. Sorry So they're like K, you know, K is like listen
Starting point is 00:35:58 She's only been doing this for like two fucking days like we need to give her some slack like she just got here Come on. She's gonna get with it. I'm gonna teach her about her ideologies and she's gonna be like, yes, eat the vegetables. Go kill them together. She's got this. So I mean, it seems like Kay took a liking to her. It seems like Kay was interested in maybe dating her. Like I don't I don't know what Kay's intentions were, but he just really, really liked her. He was the one advocate for her not dying. That was it. Everyone else wanted her dead So they start forcing her to do very culty things. They start forcing her to read that Japanese book about revenge and stuff and That was like I said very pertinent to the story because now they have to give rid of her musician friend's body the third victim
Starting point is 00:36:39 They're like, well, what do we do? We don't really want to incinerate him because well now we've got his car And it's like this whole thing and like his family probably loves him So they're gonna you know look for him and man, man, what do we do? What do we do? We don't really want to incinerate him because now we've got his car and it's like this whole thing and his family probably loves him so they're going to look for him and man, man, what do we do? What do we do? Alright, that Japanese book. We're going to make it look like it's an accident. We're going to get his car. We're going to drive it to a road on a hill and we're going to use a different car to make
Starting point is 00:36:59 skid marks on the main road and put the musician in. He's wreaking of intense alcohol, right? He's dead at this point and they put him in in he's breaking of intense alcohol right he's dead at this point and they put him in the driver's seat and they push him and the car off the hill now Suzy sees all of this so I can only imagine the terror and the trauma and then after all of that they take her back to the murder house and they gang rape her again so the musician's family they start asking questions they're like what's going on with my son he was supposed to go like he was supposed to be home at this day, like, I can't reach him. I am freaking out.
Starting point is 00:37:27 They go to the police station, they file a report. And eventually some construction workers, they find the body and the car at the bottom of this hill. He's still reeked of alcohol. There was so much alcohol sent coming off of his body. There were skid marks on the road. Nothing was stolen from the car, so the police deem it a death by accident. Death by drunk driving. Now, this is the part that makes it crazy. He had stab wounds, he had bruises, he had contusions all over his body. So the police were like, maybe he got into a fight
Starting point is 00:37:55 and then he started drinking some alcohol and then he drove and then he died. So the police department, this specific department would eventually get a ton of backlash for this because they're like, what do you mean? He was obviously stabbed. There's no denying it. He was stabbed. It seems like he was tortured and you're just drunk drivers. You know how they be.
Starting point is 00:38:15 So the cult, they start looking for their next victim and they start driving around. They took Susie with them and they spot another Toyota Granger. And this belonged to a married couple in their 30s and 40s, and they were actually at a grave. So they were prepping for Chuseok, which is like a Korean Thanksgiving, I guess you could say. So you have to honor your ancestors. It's like a whole celebration. So they were cutting grass at their family's gravesite.
Starting point is 00:38:38 So they're trying to tend to their loved ones' places, and they had a Granger car. So they're like, okay, did you see that car? Did you see that couple? They must be freaking loaded. So they are like, we gotta kidnap them. They kidnap them using their little knives, using their guns and they weren't even that rich.
Starting point is 00:38:54 So they had like a small factory that wasn't really rolling in it because they had just inherited it from another family member and they were just trying to fix it up. So most of the money was going into the employees and to the actual factory and they the couple they barely had any cash so they get trapped in the basement and while they're trapped in the cell the you know the dad
Starting point is 00:39:13 he's just like they call him Mr. So Mr. So is like please just let us live let us live like I'll do anything please let my wife live anything for my wife like just let my wife live and so the cult cold's like, all right, give us $100,000. And so he's like, I don't have $100,000. Can I use my phone? I can call someone. I can try to get as much money as I can. I can borrow money. Like, please, please.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And so like, okay, Kai, use your phone. So they give him the phone. They're like holding guns to his face. He starts calling all of his coworkers. And he says, it's been in a car accident, and I really need some money, please. I will pay you back, please. I really need some money.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Now, a lot of them didn't have money, a lot of them couldn't help him. But one of the people that could was the manager of the factory that he was running. And they said, well, I don't have any money, but we have this $80,000 that we've saved up to pay the factory employees for this amount of months. That's all I can think of.
Starting point is 00:40:11 I don't have money. You don't have money. What do we do? And he says, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's good. That's good. Can you meet me? Can you meet me and give me the money? At this bus stop.
Starting point is 00:40:20 And so the co-workers are like, yeah, yeah, I can do that. So the gang is like, $80,000? Not $100,000. And he's like, please, please 80,000 now. I can come back and give you more money. I just all I have is 80,000. And they're like, I'm just messing with you. That's fine. That's good. That's a good amount of money. So they drive him just the husband to the bus stop. And they said, listen, if you don't give us that money or if you go to a police station or you tell your little friend anything, we're killing your. She's gonna be dead and we're gonna go kill your daughter too because we've got your address We're gonna go kill her you want your kids dead. So he's like okay So he goes he gets the money and the crazy thing is the bus stop that he met his coworker at to get the $80,000 of cash
Starting point is 00:40:59 There was a police station like two feet away like it was right there and he was like nope I'm not risking it like this is my wife we're talking about, right? So he gets the money and he whispers to his coworker, help me. And the coworker immediately knew. His entire just vibe, this is not the type of guy Mr. So never asks for him enough money. He's just not that type of person. And now you're just saying, I need this money in cash. Right now, meet me here.
Starting point is 00:41:23 It's weird. So his entire face, his right now, meet me here. I mean, it's weird. So his entire face has entire emotion. I mean, something was off. And he says, help me. So he gives him the money. He acts normal. And he immediately leaves. Now the coworker immediately goes to the police station.
Starting point is 00:41:37 And the police station said, what? Wait, where did this happen? At the bus stop? Oh, that bus stop. OK, so you came to where you live, because this is near your apartment, I guess, so you stopped by this police station. But if you had a police station right in front of the bus stop,
Starting point is 00:41:56 like that's their jurisdiction, so you got to go and tell those people what happened. Like, we can't really do anything. And so he gets sent to the other police station. So he goes to the right one and they tell him, who sent you? Why are they sent you? That's kind of crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Oh my god. So you know those moments? OK, I have worked my entire life in customer service before being like a rotten mango person. And I hated those moments. We're like, sometimes you go to like a hospital and they're like, oh, we don't take care of this. Like, you've got to go to this department.
Starting point is 00:42:26 You go to that department and they go, I don't know why they would send you. And you're like, I don't know that they just want me to come here. And they're like, well, I don't know why they would tell you to come here. And you're like, well, I don't know either. Sometimes when they fucking shift the blades,
Starting point is 00:42:37 oh my god. And then the whole time they're like, okay, well, I guess I'll do it. And then they're just like, oh, I don't know why they would send you. And you're like, I don't know either. I don't know what they're doing. So that's pretty much what they were doing.
Starting point is 00:42:49 They were just like, what do you mean, it's not their jurisdiction? That's what they said to you, that it's not their jurisdiction. That doesn't make any sense. So you reported it with them and they're like, come here. I mean, what do they think that we can do? They can do the same stuff.
Starting point is 00:43:01 It's technically we have the same jurisdiction. And he's like, can you just help me? I think my boss has been kidnapped. Like, what is your deal? And he was like, who's your boss? You know, Mr. So, and we work at this factory. Ah, that factory. Well, okay, here's an idea.
Starting point is 00:43:17 That's really cute. I think your boss, the factory is probably not doing well. I heard about that factory. It's not doing well, huh? And now this is probably like a little scheme that you guys have to just take the $80,000 insurance Oopsie. I lost the money. Oopsie. I've been kidnapped so yet take your ass home, dude. No So the police refused to do anything seems like a universal thing sometimes in turn cases, okay? So they just don't do anything and you know, Mr Mr. So goes back, he gives the gang the money
Starting point is 00:43:47 and he puts them back into the cell. So this is when he's realizing like, they're not gonna release us like holy shit. So he writes a three page letter, he asks for pen and paper, and writes them a three page letter to the cult. The first page, he draws up the location of his factory. He gives all of the details of how many employees he has,
Starting point is 00:44:04 how much money he has saved, how many loans he has, everything. And he says that the business, he inherited it recently, he's working hard on getting it in good shape because it wasn't given to him in good shape. And so he's not really, he has no cash really. And it's just all of it's going back into the company and paying these employees. And in the second page, he says, eventually maybe I can take out a loan and I can get you another $43,000. I promise as I run the company, I'll get better and the company will grow and I will keep supporting you guys. I understand what you guys are talking about because he had heard some conversations. I mean, when I was young, I didn't have money and I have memories of stealing food when I was growing up and all of these things.
Starting point is 00:44:40 So trust me, I want to support you guys. I will pay you guys once you release me consistently. Like, you know, like maybe like a gang relationship. Like how gangs have certain territories and they make the businesses pay them a certain percentage for protection. And he spent a whole page begging them not to kill his daughter and his wife. Just begging them. Like, it doesn't matter what you do to me. Like, please don't kill my family. I mean, they had his address at this point, like they knew where the kids lived, and he was just so terrified.
Starting point is 00:45:10 And he said, please, please, please, like, I won't call the police, I will continue to support you if you save my family. And they read that letter, and they said, all right, it's time. And they said, listen, you guys gave us $80,000. So that's kind of nice of you. So we're going to make the death as painless as possible.
Starting point is 00:45:28 And they start force feeding both of the couple alcohol. Just soju down the throat, just shoving alcohol down their throat. And then they grab Susie. They grab Susie and they say, you need to kill him. This is your last test. And if you can't kill him, then I guess we can't trust you. So then we're going to kill you. So she takes the gun and she's freaking nervous.
Starting point is 00:45:49 So just a little side note about South Korea. You have to jump through hoops to get a gun license as a civilian. So obviously these guys got it off the black market. Like they weren't going to the cops and getting a gun license. Hunting guns and BB guns are usually the main ones that they will give to citizens and very rarely. Like especially now in 2021, it's like nearly impossible for a citizen to get a gun in South Korea, right? Now, if you have a hunting gun or a BB gun license outside of hunting season, you have to store it at the police station.
Starting point is 00:46:15 You can't even keep it inside your house, so they're crazy. I mean, it's insane. So, this, she's probably never held a gun in her life. Did you know most cops in Korea don't even have guns? And if they do have guns, it gets stored out the police station and per person, like you can only bring a certain number of guns. So when they raid places, if there's like seven cops, they can only bring like four pistols.
Starting point is 00:46:35 They can't bring seven pistols or 14 pistols. Like they're really crazy about it. And so you know, she's probably never seen a gun in her life, never held a gun, never shot a gun in her life. And so she's freaking out, she's nervous. and also she doesn't want to kill these people. Like, this is a victim here, right? And she's like, I don't want to do this, but she's like, do it, do it, do it. So she shoots a gun and misses. And so Kay walks over and wraps his finger around her and shoots both of them.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So helps her pull the trigger. And then they dismember the wife's body and they use the meat from her body to make side dishes. Shut up. Yeah. And then the rest of the body that they did, oh, as they're cooking the wife's body and making these side dishes, they force Susie to eat the raw liver of the wife that she just unwillingly participated in the death of.
Starting point is 00:47:24 The raw liver. So then after they dismember both the bodies and they take the parts that they want to cook, they put both the victims in the incinerator and they start baking these victims to try to like turn them into ash, you know. And the smell is really intense. Now this is a small village. No one's probably going to be concerned about this scent, but they just wanted to cover it up.
Starting point is 00:47:44 So they go to the grocery store. they get a bunch of, um, time get outside, which is pork belly, and they start grilling it outside the house. And they're just having a good time, they're drinking, they're eating this pork belly and the side dishes that they cooked with one of their victims, and they start inviting a people from the village over. They're like, hey, come like you with us. So all of these unsuspecting villagers and neighbors sit there and eat the pork belly with them, share some beer with them, and even ate some of the side dishes.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Yeah. Meanwhile, there's two bodies being cooked downstairs. And all the unsuspecting villagers are outside. Which side note, this was really sad. This is an incredibly small poor village that never had any crime and then after this No one wanted to go to that village anymore They were just like now that village is full of crazy people even though these people weren't
Starting point is 00:48:32 Yeah, so after this so like you know what we need to hit more big people like that $80,000 was nice But we want to get like millions of dollars So they knew someone who had recently gotten fired at the Hyundai Mall and they said, hey, if you can't, if you want revenge, let us know because we can pay you like a couple thousand dollars, just get us a list of the top VIPs of the mall, the biggest spenders. So he comes with a printed list of 1200 names and this officially became their hit list. And that has their address on there? Yeah. Wow. That just makes me think of like anytime I shop somewhere, they're like, what's your address?
Starting point is 00:49:07 I'm like, wait a minute. No. Even though it's only $5 and I'm not on the VIP list, no. Okay. No. Seriously? They're like, this is a McDonald's drive-through, ma'am. I'm like, no.
Starting point is 00:49:23 So yeah, the day after the murders, they start practicing some stuff. They start practicing throwing dynamite. Yeah, straight up, which is a really strange thing to do. You're not even from a black market arms dealer who will then get arrested. He just sells a bunch of guns to people, yeah, off-market. So they start throwing dynamite, which I thought, okay, that's really strange. I understand people practicing shooting guns, maybe using like knives, but like dynamite is such a dangerous explosive, like why are you practicing it?
Starting point is 00:49:51 And typically, like, you would just throw it and run the other way, isn't that the protocol, like what do you mean, practice, right? Well, the whole thing was, they wanted a prison break. They wanted a prison break, their leader, out of prison, so they have to practice throwing dynamite and make sure that the wall explodes so that they can get their leader out of prison so they have to practice throwing dynamite and make sure that the wall explodes so that they can get their leader out. Not only that they wanted to throw dynamite into the police station and they wanted to take all of the weapons that the police had inside the station and get access to a radio. You know how police they have like their radio lines and they can
Starting point is 00:50:18 broadcast stuff and they wanted to tell the world who this group was and what they stood for and talk about how rich people suck and we need to eat the rich and we need to have a revolution start a movement, aka a purge because like a movement is very different from mass murders, you know? and so they were like we need a start a movement and they genuinely thought that they were heroes in a movie like they genuinely thought like this is good all of Korea is gonna rise up and kill people with us. So as they're doing this, K, he burns himself. He burns himself on the arm and 한국에 대한 the crush on her and she was just saying like I think it's you know I don't know if it's safe for me to be here with all the other members because you know they've been voting to have me murdered since day one and it's like my eighth day here and I don't think their feelings have changed so like can I go to the hospital with you and he was like yeah sure
Starting point is 00:51:14 get in the car so they hop up in the car they make their way to the hospital and he I don't know what was going on in case head but he hands her his cell phone and $50 and says, all right, just like stay in the waiting room while I go. I think maybe he was worried that if the nurse got his phone for whatever reason, it would be like this whole thing. I don't know why he gave this cell phone to her. Maybe if someone called, I don't know. So he's like, hold this while I like go get my little hand bandaged up.
Starting point is 00:51:41 So she's sitting in the waiting room and she's nervous. She's like, I know this might be my only chance to run but at the same time like, I've never been in this village, I've never been in this town, like I don't know if all of these people know him, I don't know if they're all part of a gang or if they know the situation, that they just cannot people and try to extort them for money, like what's going on, like how much of this, you know, you start getting paranoid. So she's like, you know what, I just got to do it. So she runs outside while he's in getting his little thing bandaged up and she runs into a taxi immediately in this old Korean adjushi, this old Korean man
Starting point is 00:52:13 picks her up in a taxi and she's like, start the car, like keep driving. And then she's like, I big hit that for the past couple of days, I need help and you're gonna go to a police station, I don't know what to do and freaking out. And the Korean adjushi, this Korean man, he turns around and he says, what?
Starting point is 00:52:27 I know everyone in this town. Who, what do you mean you begin at? And she's like, oh my god. He's in on it. Like he's going to know if I see the gang name. And then he's probably being like, he's probably paying the gang or the gang is probably paid him or like, there's an association. And he's going to give me back to the gang and then for sure they're going to her me. So she's like nope. So she runs out of the taxi. She's
Starting point is 00:52:48 like hops out. She's like bye, leaves the taxi and runs to a nearby grape farm. And she begs the owner. She's like I just really need a rental car. I live you know in the city and I can come back and I can give you you know three times the money I can give you four times the money. Like please just let me get a rental car. And so they get her rental car and she drives from that village Seven hours to the outskirts of Seoul Seven hours she leaves the rental car on the outskirts of Seoul gets a taxi Because I think maybe she's thinking okay, maybe they can like trace me to Seoul and I don't want them to know that I went to like the main city
Starting point is 00:53:23 Maybe they'll think I'm in the outskirts. They'll start searching the outskirts, you know So she takes a taxi in to Soar now you would think okay She's gonna run straight into the police station. She's gonna be like oh my god. They kidnapped me, right? Yeah, when she was thinking that but she was so scared for her life because that's what she thought that they would think if she ran away She would go into the city and she would go to the cops So what is they they meet her there? Yes. So she's like, I'm not going to do that. So she stays the night in a motel and she calls one person, just a male friend that she has just one person and tells them everything and he immediately goes to the police station, reports it and they're a little confused. They're like, yeah, we don't really believe that. Like,
Starting point is 00:53:59 your friend told you that your friend that's not here? Where's your friend? You know? What do you mean? Your friend told you that they're kidnapping you. All right, get out of here. And so yeah, so the next day she's like, okay, I have to go to the police station and tell them what happened because they don't believe him because obviously I'm not there to tell them what happened, right? So she immediately goes to the local police station in tow and they think she's on drugs. She's like telling them this crazy story and all the police officers are just checking her arms for needle marks Like that was it. They were not even listening to the story and she's like listen. I'm not on drugs This is serious people have died and they're gonna keep dying. You don't understand They're gonna target a bunch of rich people. You just don't understand. There was they just killed this married couple and
Starting point is 00:54:41 It's so annoying like they just they killed them. They ate them. They made me eat them and they're like married couple and so annoying, they killed them, they ate them, they made me eat them. And they're like married couple. Yeah, they're like in their thirties, they're like, oh, no factory or something. And the police, they knew about this missing married couple, but they didn't tell the news or the press about it. So there's no way that it was all over the news. There was no way that she saw this in the newspaper and came to the police, you know, drugged up.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Right. This is confidential information. Yes. So they're like, what? So they trace the so families phone and it led to finally took a serious. Yeah. They finally were like, oh, yeah, you're right. So they trace the so family phone and it was located in the vicinity of where
Starting point is 00:55:20 Susie said the murder house was. Now the gang on the opposite hand, they actually called her while she was going through this excursion because she had a case phone. And they called a case phone and she picked up, she didn't say anything, but they just kept saying, hey Susie, hey Susie. And then they hung up. Well, like her name, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:38 So she's like, okay, like what's going on, right? Now, the gang already thought that she would go to the police. So they actually stayed outside of the local police department in their village area for three days there was no action she never showed up the local police department wasn't looking for them there was nothing going on out of the norm so they felt confident that she just ran away didn't call the police because technically in their heads they're like well she participated in the murders so that must mean you know she's in a complex why would she go to the police after this and then just like the trauma of over a week with them and the assaults like I mean I can understand why
Starting point is 00:56:11 if she didn't go to the police you know but I'm glad that she did now meanwhile in total they're putting together a homicide team now this is gonna be criticized a lot but they only sent nine police officers even though Susie was like they've got dynamite they've got machine guns, they've got all these pistols, and they're like, okay, I just sent some nine people and sent them four, I think they went with four pistols. They were like, nine people, four pistols, and they're like, we're good, we're gonna go raid this place.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Meanwhile, we've got like, Waco, Texas, the whole situation with the FBI and the whole standoff with that cult, and they're just like, no, nine police officers. I mean, that's insane. Yeah. So there's a lot of criticism on that. They were shocked. They said that when they got to the village, they weren't expecting such a cute little pink house, but they started staking out the place. They watched one of the gang members get into a truck to go by groceries. So they immediately arrest him while he's outside of the house and he just confesses to everything. He's like, oh yeah, like we were trying to kill rich people. Like we already killed this many people. Like we gang raped Susie. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Like we totally did all of these things. So they're like, okay, like what do we do? And the guy that they arrested the first guy, he was like, oh yeah, also be careful. There's so much dynamite in there. And like we have an oven. So just, just so you know, so they're like, okay. So they call the local police department and they say, hey, can you call the people that live at this residence and just like make a polite? We want to get them out of the house. We don't want them in the house with all the weapons. That's not a good situation.
Starting point is 00:57:36 So the local police department, they call and they say, hey, you know that friend, the one that they just arrested, they said, you know that friend, well, he just got into a car accident and we need someone that knows him to pick up his car and, you know that friend? Well, he just got into a car accident and we need someone that knows him to pick up his car And you know, I think he had some cash on in like a couple thousand dollars We can't just like keep it in our office and we can't give it back to him because he's in the hospital right now Like I just need you to pick it up. So three gang members they get into the car and they go to the police station now When they get there one of them gets out of the car to the police station to pick up everything and he gets arrested And the other two are waiting inside the car and they're starting to get suspicious.
Starting point is 00:58:06 They're like, what do you mean? Why should it be taking this long? So they start realizing, uh, it looks like people are looking at us, doesn't it? So they take the car and they just drive off. They leave their friend. They're like, by friend and they leave and they actually get into a car accident later and that's how they were caught. Huh.
Starting point is 00:58:23 So then the rest of the gang, that's inside the house. They start hearing about their arrest. And they're like, what do we do? Let's run. So as they're running out of the house, they get arrested. So eventually, the whole thing took like, it wasn't just nine police officers. They had 20 more call does backup later on.
Starting point is 00:58:40 But I mean, everyone was arrested. They did take control over the murder house, but overall, just a really bad situation. They got a lot of shit for it, a lot of people said, you know, it was luck, it wasn't skill. Like this could have happened in such a bad way, there could have been so much collateral damage, there could have been so many police officers or collateral damage, or just the people themselves that ended up dead that day, like what were they thinking? And here is why they did that. It wasn't just because they didn't care It wasn't just because they didn't have more people because they did It was the fact that in the 90s Korean law enforcement here's a fun fact if you were trying to arrest a big group together
Starting point is 00:59:14 You actually didn't want more police officers because it doesn't matter who karate chopped you and kicked who down and you know Strangle to okay strangle to his bad word, whoever knocks him down and caked them and punched them and then as a physical altercation, the police officer who put the handcuffed on the criminal is the one that gets the recognition, gets the credit, gets the promotion. It doesn't matter if you did all the work, it doesn't matter if you tracem down,
Starting point is 00:59:42 it doesn't matter if you fought to the death, that one police officer, that one mall cop that comes at the end and just his handcuff on. That's the guy that gets praised. So the chief looked it around in his office. He say, which nine lucky motherfucker today? And they were like, we don't need any more people. How many people did you say they had six? We got it. We got it, bro. it bro, we got it. They didn't want backup, they wanted to get all the praise and they wanted to get the promotions.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Sheesh. So they arrest all of them successfully. They actually arrested one of the gang members, girlfriend, who tried to help them escape. So she was arrested for like negligence, but not really murder or anything. She didn't participate in any of that. And they had interviews with the killers.
Starting point is 01:00:27 And it's insane. So the leader said, I'm angry that I couldn't get. The leader Kim. Leader Kim said, I'm angry that I couldn't get rid of all the rich people who ignore the lower class. Another gang member outside of prison said, those rich bastards that live in Apgujeong, which is like maybe Beverly Hills or the Upper East Side in America's Standard, right? Those who ride an expensive, granger cars, I'm so angry I couldn't kill them all. Please put this on TV.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Another member said to the people who ignored the poor, every single rich person in Apgujeong, I regret not getting started on killing them all. Now of course, because when Kay gets interviewed, it's like the fucking bachelor,. We're all like did you give your final rose to Susie? Did you love Susie? All of the questions were like where you in love with Susie? Is that why she survived? No straight up. They were like did you love her? And he said no I did not I wanted to make her strong in order to make her a member. We can't love we can't date As a gang member people think he liked her I mean he's just trying to be tough after the fact, because she's the one that brought this all down, right? And he says, he is upset that he couldn't kill the people he really wanted to kill.
Starting point is 01:01:33 Everyone who is rich. The people who are born rich always ignore the ones that are not. Honestly, people who never had anything are never able to get anything. It's difficult for common folks like us to even make $100 a day, but there are so many people who spend that much every single day. So all of this makes sense, but a lot of people in Korea didn't buy it. And a lot of it has to do with that, most of their victims were either middle class or financially struggling. So it's like yes, we understand what you say. Like, yeah, economic disparities real eat the rich. Everyone can usually get on board.
Starting point is 01:02:07 And like when people say eat the rich, they're not saying like, oh, eat your grandma who saved her entire life and worked really hard. We're talking about like billionaires, where there's like corruption involved, there's exploitation involved. No one's saying like, hey, your neighbor's got a boat, fucking kill him, you know?
Starting point is 01:02:23 So like, it's just, people were kind of like, it just seems hypocritical. Like, how are you gonna say, eat the rich, they don't care about us, but you didn't give a shit about any of the middle class people that you just killed. They get arrested. The guy who sold the Hyundai list, the VIP list, he gets arrested. The guns broker gets arrested and he revealed that they actually recently placed an order to get multiple automatic weapons and rifles.
Starting point is 01:02:47 So I think they were really trying to amp up and target that Hyundai list. And a lot of the initial officers, they were, they had a resign or they were fired because what are you doing? Like it was just a moment of like what? So November 2nd of 1995, all of them were sentenced to death. And they moved quick. All within 25 days of being arrested, they were all sentenced to death.
Starting point is 01:03:10 There's like a conversation where people say that the president and power was losing his political power, so he thought maybe this would give him a push. Maybe this was like a statement that he could make and his followers could get back on board with him. So yeah, there was a lot of corruption and a lot of weird stuff. 25 days is fast.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Yeah. And I mean, until the day of their death, their execution, there was no remorse. One of them stated that, hey, I'm only dying 40 years earlier than I was supposed to, so it's not really that big of a deal. And the families were horrified. All the families. I mean, I think everyone in Korea was horrified,
Starting point is 01:03:43 but particularly the families of the killers too. Because they were like, what? Like we all grew up poor too. Your brother's not a serial killer. You know, we literally live the same life as you. What are you doing killing these people? One of the families refused to even take custody of the body after the execution. And interestingly enough, the police officer, one of the arresting police officers, their wife took the body and had it cremated, and she scattered his ashes. And I was questioning this, I was like, why would she do that? But a lot of people
Starting point is 01:04:15 said, you know, you just cops don't really feel that good about arresting someone, especially when it leads to their execution. So maybe they were just like, I mean, I'm glad that nobody else died and these people did deserve to get punished, but it's just a weird feeling, I'm sure. Sure. So she took the body. Now, Susie obviously wasn't charged. I'm crazy, because there was actually a couple of, it seemed like some people were debating the fact that she wasn't charged. That's what my mom told me, weird. And she had heavy loads of PTSD trauma. She says that she takes a ton of pills just to be able to fall asleep at night and depression has been really hard
Starting point is 01:04:50 because she doesn't know what she is. Is she a killer or is she a victim? And it just constantly flip flops. And then to make things worse, she was recently diagnosed with cancer. And it seems like she just hasn't been able to live a normal life. And that is the story of the Korean man and family, otherwise known as Chijoonpa.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Just kind of crazy. Yeah. So let me know what are your thoughts. I know this one got a little political, but listen, I don't care what your politics stand or what you think about other people, but don't murder people. I guess that's the only thing like I'm all on porn I'm like, you know what? That's it. That's you're right. Like something could be better here But then the minute that you like we should kill them all I'm like I gotta go bye
Starting point is 01:05:34 I can't so I hope you guys enjoyed and I'll see you guys on Wednesday. Bye. Bye Bye.

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