Rotten Mango - #46: The Candy Man Part 1 (Serial Killer Dean Corll)

Episode Date: March 11, 2021

The “CandyMan” is what all the little boys called him. He was a candy factory owner who passed out free candy to all the kids.  In the same small town of Houston Heights 29 boys go missing in t...he span of a few years…  At a time where it felt like nobody could be trusted - the CandyMan seemed like a wholesome adult figure. But you know where this story goes. Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Butterbing Butter Boom! Welcome to today's chaotic episode. I don't know how to preface this, but I do want to put a quick disclaimer. It's going to be chaos. It's just pure chaos, a dumpster fire burning to the depths of hell type of chaos. And it might be a two-parter. It might be my very first two-parter ever. So we are talking about Dean Coral today, who is a serial killer that is known as the Candy Man. Literally, the Candy Man that they're known for. Is it?
Starting point is 00:00:58 No, I know there's an urban legend where you go in front of a mirror in the dark bathroom and you say Candy Man five times. There's a movie coming out next year about it. And then this like, man, what's the white space? No, no, no, no, it's actually based upon like a weird book, but this is like a different version of the candy man. This is the version of, you know, that stereotype that we have of like pedophiles inside their white vans, their windowless vans, and they're just driving around, they see a kid, they skirt, skirt, stop, and then they're like, hey kid, you want some candy? Get in my van! You know that? This is that guy! And it's not because he's known as the candy man because he liked some Skittles,
Starting point is 00:01:30 because he liked Snickers bars. It's literally because he was a candy man. He had a candy manufacturing little factory. He had a candy business, he had a candy store, his entire livelihood at one point was his candy company. Straight up! Welcome to the candy shop! 50 cent, all of that! Okay, got a little too passionate there. So, I do want to mention that a lot of my source came from an article that I'm going to link in all of the source notes but a book by the name of a man with the candy,
Starting point is 00:02:01 The Houston Mass Martyrs by Jack Olson. Surprisingly enough, there are not a lot of docuseries, a lot of documentaries about Dean Coral, even though I think in my opinion, he is one of the most disgusting, savage serial killers out there that I've ever researched. So I'm going to drop you into the middle of Dean Coral's childhood. So the whole family set up, I'm going to give you the rundown. The dad, his name is Arnold Edwin Coral, and he was incredibly strict with the kids. I couldn't find any evidence that he was abusive or violent, but it just seemed like he had a way about him. He's like, okay, if you do this, I'm going to punish you and that's just the way it is. That's how you raise a man. He seems like the type to say that.
Starting point is 00:02:37 Whereas the mom on the other hand, Mary Emma Robinson, very intense name. She's an intense woman and she was super protective of both of her sons. So Dean is the eldest, he is a younger brother by the name of Stanley. That's the whole family situation. And the mom treated the kids like they were just like the apple of her eye. She is the type of person where her kid will go and punch someone and she would be like, oh well you know, boys will be boys. That's the type of mom that Mary was. So there was a lot of just differences in his parenting. Like, um, his dad was one way, his mom was one way, and then they would always fight each other on how are they gonna raise these kids together. So a couple of notable instances, for example, is that Dean
Starting point is 00:03:15 when he was young, he wasn't tall enough to reach the bathroom sink faucets. Because, you know, you got to like lean up, you got to turn on the sink, then you can wash your hands and the water. He wasn't tall enough. So he would do this thing where he would get up onto the toilet stick both of his feet into an open toilet bowl I'm talking ankles deep in toilet water. I'm hoping that he flushed and then he would get up on there And now he's able to reach the little faucets. He would turn it on Watch his hands inside of toilet inside of the toilet like ankles deep in toilet water Okay, and so the parents are looking on at this.
Starting point is 00:03:45 What is he doing in there? Washing his hands. Yeah. Oh, okay. So he's like, let me put my foot in poop water so I can clean my hands. Yes, because my hands have germs because I just pooed. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Exactly. You're onto something. And so the parents will be looking at at this and Arnold the dad, he's like, okay, well, obviously we need to punish him. If he keeps doing this, he's going to get more toilet water onto the bathroom floor. I mean this is just not a good habit What if we're in a public restroom? He's like hold on. Let me just go wash my hands daddy and just sticks his feet into a toilet bowl You know we can't have that but the mom on the other hand Mary's like this is freaking cute I need a I need to take a picture. I need to send this to my friends
Starting point is 00:04:22 I need to put this in my little Facebook group. They didn't have Facebook back then, but she would have totally put it in her little mommy Facebook group, you know? It's one of those TikTok videos. Yes, it is. Oh no. Tell me why you... What is that?
Starting point is 00:04:35 Like... Tell me that you have kids without telling me. You have kids. And so because of this, the parents just could not stop arguing. so they decided to get a divorce. Now they end up getting remarried again and then divorced again so that whole situation is just kind of a shit show in itself. Now Mary lets really talk about the mom because most of Dean Quarles childhood is from the
Starting point is 00:04:57 perspective of mother Mary. Now Mary, like I said, she is obsessed with her voice to the point where after all of these zero killings were exposed, they were brought to light. She claimed that Dean is innocent, not my baby boy. So I'm sure that there are tons of things in his childhood that she is just conveniently leaving out. She's like, I don't remember that. What are you talking about? So I'm just going to tell you what Mary said about Dean's childhood. So take it with a grain of salt. She said that he was constantly alone.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Like that was his thing. He was a recluse. He liked being alone. He's an introvert. He didn't like going out to hang out with friends. He didn't like it because one time he went to a birthday party and he got his feelings hurt. He was six years old.
Starting point is 00:05:34 He went there and you know, they're everyone's playing these little games. Everyone's winning these prizes. You get the little hoops in the little cone thing. You win a prize. He was trying and he couldn't win a prize. And so his feelings were just immensely hurt. And so from that point forward, he's like,
Starting point is 00:05:49 I'm not going to nobody's birthday party anymore. I'm not hanging out with anybody anymore. Like this sucks, I never win any prizes. So she's like, yeah, from that point, he just put his guard up and then never put it down. That was the pivotal moment, a six year old birthday party. This is why I'm so scared to have kids because I don't even know what's a turning point in childhood memories, you know, in childhood trauma. I think that's why we have participation awards now.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Maybe, I don't know. But like, that's kind of sad. If I was having a birthday party for my kid and there was a kid who didn't get a prize, I would give them a prize. Like, your kid comes back saying, Mommy, I got a participation award. What do you say? I would say congratulations. I got a lot of it. I got a lot of it when I was young. Oh, really? I love America. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:37 All right. And so she says that he grew up just worrying about others. He would be frantic if people didn't come home the time that they said they would come home. So if his little brother is like, hey, I'm going to go play with my friend and then didn't come home in an hour. He would call his mom and be like, Mommy, I don't know what to do. Like a freaking out.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Our little brother is not home. Like, what do we do? What do we do? Should we call the cops? So she just claims that he was incredibly serious. That's the whole gig. He's just a serious ass kid. He just thinks-
Starting point is 00:07:03 I've never heard somebody describe that kid. My kid? Oh yeah. He's serious. He's just a serious ass kid. He just thinks- I've never heard somebody describe that kid. My kid? Oh yeah, he's serious. He's very serious. Little businessman. Serious motherfucker. Like, I feel like other people look at that kid. I probably say some different words.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Yes. But she loves her kid, so she's just like, he's serious. Yeah, like I think maybe people would look at them and be like, maybe there's some- He's haviour and shoes. Maybe he's quiet, he's serious. Yeah, like I think maybe people would look at them and be like maybe there's some He's maybe he's quiet. He's shy Like he doesn't like to hang out. Yeah, but the mommy was like my kid Serious he's a serious. That's good And so he starts developing some medical issues early on
Starting point is 00:07:41 So when he's seven years old He gets undiagnosed case of a fever that was going around and it involves the heart, joint skin and brain. No one found out about it until he's 11 years old and he gets a heart murmur and that's when they were like, oh shit, you probably have this for quite some time and now you can't play PE. So it wasn't that serious that he needed any surgeries or anything but they were just like, you can't hang out with your kids. You can't go around and run around and play football. And so he's physically weak. A little bit, but he actually becomes incredibly strong. It's very good news.
Starting point is 00:08:11 I'm telling you, it's a chaotic story. Like this man is weird. And so they're like, hey, you need to avoid P. at school. He's like, OK, that's fine. So the same year that he gets diagnosed with all of these things, his parents try to get back together. And they relocate the entire family to Texas. Now, when they get to Texas, that's fine. So the same year that he gets diagnosed with all of these things, his parents try to get back together, and they relocate the entire family to Texas.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Now, when they get to Texas, that's where things start getting weirder. So there is record that Dean Coral, he would not necessarily abuse animals. This is what makes it so strange, and I think it has to do with the fact that his mom is telling this story. There is no evidence of animal torture, animal abuse, animal murders. There's no torture of wetting the bed abuse, animal murders, there's no torture of wedding the bad, setting fires, all of these things that we commonly see in a lot of serial killers. But he did this thing that I kind of consider animal abuse.
Starting point is 00:08:52 He would catch squirrels. He would catch them in these little squirrel traps. And then he would tie them up like a necklace and wear them around his neck to school. I don't know what's more questionable. The fact that he did that, or the fact that the school and everyone at school was like, this is completely normal behavior. And the mom say there's no animal abuse. Yeah, she was, I mean, she didn't say there was no animal abuse, but she was just like,
Starting point is 00:09:14 I mean, that's just what kids did back in the day. Like, boys will be boys. Like that's pretty much how she explained the situation. If the mom just gets all the mom say, and you take it with the grain of salt, you can't imagine. It's much worse. You probably did some shit. And I just don't know why the school didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:09:30 I don't know why anybody didn't call the cops. It just seemed like this is it. This is completely normal. This is show and tell. This is a weird part of Texas. This was Vydoar, Texas, and I don't know if you guys know anything about it, but apparently it's very, very, like a small town that is known for being incredibly racist from what I can tell, that's what the book told me.
Starting point is 00:09:49 I've never been to Vidal or Texas. But this is all, yeah, so it's probably even worse than, at this point, they get a divorce. So Mary and Arnold, the two parents, they get into their second divorce and Mary immediately meets another man by the name of Jake West and she gets married to him. Now, he is a traveling clock salesman and he's a very interesting character.
Starting point is 00:10:07 It seems like Mary was the peacemaker of all of them. So Dean and Jake didn't get along, Stanley, her other son, and Jake probably didn't get along so she just kind of in the middle trying to make this work. They also have another sister who's born by the name of Joyce. So we've got Dean Stanley and Joyce. Now mind you, Stanley and Joyce are gonna be not really part of the story at all. Even after everything comes to light, they don't want to do any interviews. They were just like, okay, bye, like this is insane. So a Picon nut salesman walks by one day. I'm telling you this is the can. Picon nut salesman. A Picon. I'm pretty sure it's Picon.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Picon. He said a Pcan. No, he said a Picon. He's just walking around. So we've got the clock salesman. We've got a pecan nut salesman There's just a lot going on. Okay, a lot of salesmen So he's going through Vidore, Texas and he realizes that Mary is making a bunch of these little candies with the pecans that she's buying from him And he's like, wait a minute. These are delicious. These are amazing and did you know Mary pecans are going to the moon? You should start your own business with pecans. I mean, I am making so much money traveling around Texas, just selling fucking pecans.
Starting point is 00:11:09 I mean, it's lucrative. So Mary is like, you know what? I might just do that. So she starts a company by the name of Picon Prince. So Dean works there after school. I mean, immediately after school, that's where he was all night. He was still attending school working their day and night,
Starting point is 00:11:23 running the machines, packing the products, and then Jake West, this traveling clock salesman, now turned candy salesman, he would go from town to town, he would mainly go towards Houston, because that was like the major city nearby, and that's where most of his sales were. So during his high school life, it seems like because of all of those pecans that he's making at night, because he's just not really a sociable person, he becomes a pretty big loner. Now there is no evidence again that he's been bullied, that people hated him, that he was weird. It just seems like he really just kept himself, he had satisfactory grades. And his mom says he did what he was told to do, everything he was asked to do and always
Starting point is 00:11:57 neat and polite. So like a little bitch baby, I think is what she's trying to say. Like he just, you know, okay, okay. So he dates a few girls here and there, but really his only interest in school was playing the trombone and pecans, the band instrument. So he freaking loved the trombone. They said that their football team, which by the way, Texas is all about football,
Starting point is 00:12:17 they said their football team in high school was shit, but their band, their band was bullshit. So they would go out of town to perform and Dean would pack little, you know, Pacon candy's for everyone and it was like this whole ordeal. So again, it just seems like kind of a wholesome
Starting point is 00:12:31 chaotic childhood, right? Then it gets weirder. So after high school graduation, they moved closer to Houston, Texas to be closer to their clientele, right? And that's when grandma becomes widowed. Grandpa dies. And now Mary's like, listen, my mom is now a widow. I don't know
Starting point is 00:12:45 what to do. She lives all the way in Indiana. She's got this big old farm to herself and I need someone to go and take care of her. I'm running this pecan business. My husband is running this business. Dean, you need to go. Now that you're 19 years old, you need to go take care of your grandma for about two years. Get her back on her feet, help her on the farm and maybe this is good for you because you keep fighting with my husband and it's just a lot because I'm the middle the middle peacemaker you know and so he's like okay fine he goes to Indiana and this is where he starts doing some weird shit he was obsessed with astronomy and he gets it from his mom so mom Mary she loves astronomy she loves psychics she loves reading birth charts like she's all about that so in the little barn room that he has, he's got these star charts all over the walls.
Starting point is 00:13:26 He's got a 600 power telescope to look at the stars. But Grandma said that instead of looking at the stars, he would spy on the neighbors a lot. He would just stare at the neighbors. And there's no indication that he was watching the neighbors inside their house, I'm assuming, he was at night. But he would spy on them and the grandma would be like, what are you doing with that telescope? And he'd be like, come look grandma look grandma
Starting point is 00:13:47 And she would look and he's just watching them like feed their own livestock because this is farmland, you know Uh-huh, and she's like, well this is crazy like what are you doing? She just thought it was weird He also made these little mockumentaries, so he would get this movie camera He bought a moving camera and he was obsessed with it. He was moving cameras Yeah cameras. I guess like a digital camera right like a not a digital camera like what do you call those cameras a camcorder Yeah, yeah, like a camera and he was like this is amazing First of all, I'm gonna make these little movies. I'm gonna be the next Jesus, I don't know any movie producers
Starting point is 00:14:24 So he's like I'm gonna be the best, right? And he gets all of these neighborhood kids to come around and they started producing movies. It was kind of like Grey's Anatomy, so they would get these chicken livers and they would have a girl lay down on the counter and they would pull out chicken livers from behind her. Like an optical illusion with these tongs. And they'd be like, clear, we've opened her up, scalpel. Like they would just play, graze anatomy straight up. It's like little kids play, play house. Yes, but he's like 20.
Starting point is 00:14:50 And these are kids? It seems like they were like high school age or younger. Yeah, so it was just a little, little odd. So he said that it was supposed to be a comedy. It's just supposed to be funny. He, he, he, ha ha, chicken, livers. But grandma didn't really think it was that cute. So eventually, after about two years, he moves back to Houston to help with the candy business
Starting point is 00:15:07 because at this point, Picon prints, oh yeah, it's a boom in business. Uh-huh. They're making money. So at night, he would be second in command in the candy business. He lived in the apartment above the garage where the candy was being made. And this time, he would finally get paid for all of his hard work because he didn't get paid during high school. Then he gets enlisted to the army
Starting point is 00:15:26 So 24 years old the army is like hey, we need you to come we need you to come like this is a whole thing We're going to war so he goes to the army and he went to Louisiana for basic training Then he applied to be discharged because his family business needed him and his charge Yeah, it's insane because his mom actually wrote a letter to the army and was like, I need my little baby boy back. I need my son. And they say, okay, fine. Here you go. Yeah, so they gave him an honorable discharge within 10 months into his service.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Very interesting. Now that that army service, 10 months, is going to be really important later. So when he gets back home, he actually starts talking to a woman and this is kind of pertinent because, you know, Mary, the whole time she's been a girlfriend you need to get yourself a girlfriend like you need to make a family of yourself and we all become these pecan empires right like we need to do this and he just was never interested in anyone he just didn't like woman it seemed so he meets a woman by the name of Wanda now she had no oh yeah Wanda mission were obsessed so he had known Wanda from the Indiana farm where he was staying at when he was like 1920.
Starting point is 00:16:26 They were talking on the phone, they were sending each other tape recorded letters that he would ship her cakes, like full on cakes shipped to Indiana. He would ship her candy and it was just a super sweet relationship and Mary was really ecstatic. She was like, oh my gosh, he's going to marry this sweet little girl from the farms and ooh, we're just going to gonna have the perfect little family. She's gonna come over to Texas and she's gonna become a little pecan princess. And then one day, the telephone rings and it's Wanda.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And she says, Dean, Dean, are you sitting down? He's like, no. We'll go ahead and sit down. Okay, I'm sitting down now, Wanda. Dean, I'm getting married. Who? To who? To you! And he immediately hung up the phone and never freaking called her back.
Starting point is 00:17:11 We would the fuck it's happening. So I think D- I think Wanda was trying to give Dean a hint like, hey, like are you gonna propose to me soon? Or maybe this was her proposal? Or maybe this was just a joke? But ever since that phone call, he just straight up hung up on her beep and never called her back. Never freaking talk to her ever again. Huh, okay.
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Starting point is 00:19:14 Now someone from the army that had spent time with Dean said that he turned into the F'sler while in the army. Literally that's what he said, point blank and he said, I guess that's the only way I can say it. Turn into what? The F'sler F A G. Yeah. And it's like, and then he follows it up with, I guess that's the only way I can say it.
Starting point is 00:19:35 There are so many other ways that you can say it, sir. I don't know what's wrong with you. So the people in the army claim that he realized that Dean realized that he was homosexual while he was in the army and he had his first gay experience there. And then, and I quote, then it just got worse and worse and worse. The end is gonna get even worse, because Houston Police are just gonna go off the radar, off the wires, just balls to the walls with this homophobia thing. So at this point, Jake and Mary's marriage is not going well.
Starting point is 00:20:01 This is her third marriage. It's going into the shitter again. So they keep arguing. And one day day Jake threw Mary out of the shop and was like just go home like I'm done with you like I'm sick of you. So she leaves and Mary being the strong woman that she is. She says listen, I'm not gonna sit around while this little boy bosses me around. Who does he think he is? Like my husband is not the king of my life, you know. I'm gonna do my own thing. So she opened up her new candy shop called Coral Candy Company while she was still married with Jake. So Jake is now running Picon prints
Starting point is 00:20:32 and she's running Coral Candy Company under the same household. Wow. Yeah. So after one argument, it became a two candy, one family household. It's just really intense. So while they're still married, Jake goes around telling everyone, oh my gosh, guess what?
Starting point is 00:20:48 You'll never guess it. Someone stole my recipes and someone stealing all of my packaging ideas. I mean, this is absolutely bonkers. Who could it be? Meanwhile, Mary is just going around door-to-door being like, hey, I opened up my anew company and it was the same packaging as Perconference.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Was her here, no idea? No,con prints. So he had no idea? No, he knew. And he was trying to sabotage her business. And was trying to make people feel like, oh, Mary West, to stole her husband's recipes and is trying to start her own thing. So we've got a boycott her company because she's stealing. She's stealing from the original Percon prints.
Starting point is 00:21:21 And back in the days, it's weird. Yeah. So he starts giving out tons of candy So that you know coral candy company will just go down the shitter and Picon Prince will be strong And then she'll eventually come running back to him like Jakey. I'm sorry like that was my bad, right? They're still married during this point. I mean that's insane So obviously we can tell it's gonna get bad They eventually get divorced and she decides that she's gonna open up a new location across the street from the Helms Elementary School.
Starting point is 00:21:48 That was like where the factory was gonna be, she was gonna have this little shop and it was the Candy Coral Company. The Coral Candy Company, you get it. Now that is when the rivalry between Picon Prince and Coral Candy Company got so intense. So Jake started writing on all of the packaging, the original Texas Picon Chewy created by JJ West. So then Mary, she gets pissed off and she's like because that was my idea. The Picon nut salesman told me to start a company and I started the Picon Prince and now you are running the Picon Prince acting like you started the Picon Prince. She was pissed. So she wrote in the same writing, the same type of
Starting point is 00:22:25 inscription, Coral Candy, new and proved, but with a woman's touch. So I know. Forget about Apple and Sansa. This is the ultimate comment. Let's talk about the candy. So it was a very intense competition. So Mary hates Jake and kept telling her sons, especially Dean like I hate him I hate him. We got to put him out of business. He's disgusting. He's evil. He didn't treat me right He treated me dirty. We're gonna run into the ground. So Dean He just did anything that his mom told him to do and his mom even said and I quote Dean did whatever I asked of him and never Complaint. I don't know if that's really a brag, but okay fine, go off lady. So meanwhile, she's doing her thing.
Starting point is 00:23:08 This time she's in her 50s, she's a nice looking lady, that's what everyone says, she's got this good figure, and she just really wanted to remarry. Like she wanted to run Jay, her ex-husband out of business, but she also wanted a new husband. So she wore tons of makeup, she had these extravagant sweaters, fur coats, things like that, and she would just drive around in a new station wagon looking for men. A lot of people in the town of Texas, the town of Texas, a lot of people in this town of Texas said that you kind of get the impression that she's trying to hang on to her youth.
Starting point is 00:23:36 That's kind of what they thought of her, which by the way, there's no shame in that, but that's just the kind of thing. Probably odd back in the day. Yeah, definitely odd back in the day, right? And the mother and son relationship was incredibly weird people said that it wasn't Insustee, but it was odd so he would scold her in front of other people So it was almost like she is the daughter and he is the dad Dean the very serious kid is now the dad and maybe it has to do with the fact that you know
Starting point is 00:24:00 They got divorced when he was young He maybe he felt like he had to fill the man's shoes as as they say, and be like the man of the house back in the day that was really important. So he would constantly be like, oh, mother don't. And shake his head and disapproval while his mom was like doing something. And people were like, this is just so weird. Like the, this whole thing, the vibes are off. Now, Dean, he was keeping this candy company afloat. Like this guy, the only thing I will give to him and the only thing people give to him is his work ethic because he would come up with innovative recipes.
Starting point is 00:24:31 He almost put Picon prints completely out of business. So Picon prints, they're candy's good. The recipes are good, but Dean was always working on new recipes, you know, perfecting current recipes. He was a hard worker and girls at the factory just kind of went wild about him. They were like, oh my God, like this is a man's man. Like this man works so hard.
Starting point is 00:24:50 He, if I marry this man, he will make sure that I never go a day wanting food, you know? Like he's gonna put food on the table. Like this guy is a go-getter. Like it would be over a hundred degrees in the candy making building. And there's like mixtures of just six syrups on the pot all the time,attering splittering everywhere and he would get burnt all the time never
Starting point is 00:25:09 Complaint nothing like that was just what he was doing in all of his 20s never complain never went on dates never really went to party like this was his job So he was really popular amongst kids not just women but kids So like I said this was right across the street from Helm's elementary school, right? And they called him the candy man because he would always give local kids free candy, like the samples of new recipes that he's trying out or maybe like the ugly ones that he can't sell.
Starting point is 00:25:35 So he would constantly give these kids candy and no one thought it was weird. He'd they said that he didn't do it in a creepy way. He wasn't like a petta, he wasn't like, hey kid, sit on my lap. And Santa, think about it. Santa's a little creepy sometimes, okay? But like, you know, he wasn't very creepy about it. They said, it's almost like a scout master.
Starting point is 00:25:52 I kept reading the word scout master in all of this research. It's almost like, you know, he's just a big brother. He's just trying to teach them the rights and wrongs of life. And he's trying to put them under his guidance not in a creepy way but very like a mentor, like a gentleman. That's what people said. The principal even called the candy factory and said, um, can you guys please stop encouraging the kids because they're crossing the street to go get free candy? And that's really dangerous and they're just little kids and they're crossing a major road. And even the parents are complaining like, can you please stop giving out free candy?
Starting point is 00:26:23 Because it just encourages them to come back more. And Dean didn't give a fork, he would still give out the free candy. And I quote, someone said, I've never seen a man that loved kids like Dean. Oh no. Oh no. I've never seen a man that loved kids more.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Yeah. That's the creepy as saying. That's the creepy thing. That's the creepy thing. Put it to today's age, time and age. Yeah, today's time and age is really intense though. But at which I'm glad I'm sure it's protecting a lot of people. But even me, when I walk by a kid, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:26:51 I'm not even looking at you, dude. I'm scared. I'm scared to even look at people now. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I guess it was acceptable back in the day. People just thought he was a little scout master. Now, they had a lot of employees.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Now a lot of them would be local teenagers that were male, that would work at the candy store or the candy factory. And Dean was a cool boss. A very cool boss. He installed a pool table at the back of the factory and he would hang out with all of these teenagers. And you know, some might say that he was super flirtatious
Starting point is 00:27:23 with the male employees, which in any other setting, this would be completely fine, except the fact that he is older than them, their underage, and the power dynamic of him being the boss and them being the employee. So if you take all of that out, it has nothing to do with him being gay. So he would kind of flirt with the male employees a little bit, and a lot of teens would also say that he's super nice to them. He's almost like a brother and never tried anything weird with him. They didn't think that it was out of the norm and when little kids would come around, he had this little motorcycle in the back and he would let them on the back and he would ride them around a little lot and they loved it. He's like sounds really cool. Yeah, sounds really cool. So when people ever questioned it, Mary's entire explanation was, and I quote, he had a lot of young friends. They latched on him, he didn't look for them.
Starting point is 00:28:08 One would bring another, and he would let them use the tape player, teach them how to use it, let them come in anytime they wanted, really make them feel at home. So it sounds like he's feeling like he's doing like a community service. And you know how kids can be, they will bring their friends and stuff, and he's like, oh, maybe you're like neglected at home.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Like maybe you've never seen a tape recorder. Let me just be the big brother that you never had. Type of vibe. So he also had this truck. Now, the original truck design that he had was very pit my ride. It was a cool ass truck. He had a movie theater in the back. He put a blue carpet in.
Starting point is 00:28:40 He had an old couch in it. Yeah, he put carpet in the back of his van. He had a blue couch in it. Yeah, he put carpet in the back of his van. He had a blue couch in it He had a stand for surfboards like you know how you can hang them sideways Horizontally on a van. Yeah, yeah Like a van life a van life so that he could drive kids to the beach in South Texas And they would just surf together He had a TV set inside of his van so that they could watch movies
Starting point is 00:29:03 Inside the van The van with the they could watch movies inside the van. The van with the candy with the candy van, the van, the pet, oh, okay. So the employees noticed how flirty that he was. So if a guy would walk by, he would reach out and kind of like pinch him. Like he would do these small flirtatious gestures. Now, someone was quoted with saying he didn't try anything fruity in front of us, but it became very obvious what he was implying that they all knew that Dean was gay. They just said it in such a disgusting way. A lot of them are confused about how Mary had no idea because during all of this, all of these employees and you know that candy factory they had lent out some space to like a candy apple shop so there was multiple different companies operating out of that factory.
Starting point is 00:29:41 They all knew that Dean was gay and they were confused how Mary had no idea. During this... Shots today, no. Yeah, with women. I see. She's just like, what about this girl? What about this girl? And everyone's like, oh, Mary, get the, do you not understand what's going on?
Starting point is 00:29:56 And all of the employees say that we just kept quiet about it because she was such a nice decent person. I don't know what that means. Again, very controversial statements from, wow, what the heck. Now, there were a couple of things that were very strange, right? So reportedly, he had a really, really bad temper, and they think that it was tightly controlled. So anytime he was making candy and doing his little thing, all these employees are around, he's playing pool with these boys, right? And someone would come and say, hey, this order
Starting point is 00:30:23 got canceled or this batch got ruined. He would get really angry, but it would never show on his face his ears would turn bright red, and he would quickly run to the back of the factory where he had a room. And they called it his pouting room, because he would just disappear in there.
Starting point is 00:30:39 And people said, he looked like a little kid, like he would just go in there, and he would pout. And he would just sit there, and be grumpy, and pout. And and he would just sit there and be grumpy and Pout and then he would immediately come back out as if nothing happened and he would just be like I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing That's what I'm saying. I'm wondering if maybe it's kind of a good thing because you are the boss and you don't want to discourage your team You're like I think maybe it was just done in a really weird way because I mean the technically the self-control like that's a lot of self-control
Starting point is 00:31:04 Right you got walk away from the situation manager done in a really weird way. Because I mean, technically the self control, like that's a lot of self control, right? You got walk away from the situation, manager, emotion, emotion, and then you come back. And then handle a problem, yeah. Which you're like too mature. I feel like I read this to like leadership books. And then suddenly we're like, fucking serial killers, dude. They do some weird shit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Now the only major red flag that I could find was that there was an employee by the name of Jimmy and he was a teenager and he was really scared of Dean. There was no explanation, he just was consistently defensive towards Dean. He didn't act like he hated him, he just really acted like he didn't want to be alone with him. So he's supposed to come in and clean for the candy apple crew, right? So a different company and he said, can you just, can I wait to do my cleanup till everybody else is in? Like I promise I'll clean fast before you guys get started in the, the making of the candy apples. And they were like, why? Like what's going on? Like it's, Dean's going to be here. You're not going
Starting point is 00:31:56 to be alone. It's not spooky. And he was like, please, can I just come when everyone else is in? Like I promise I'll clean fast. And this information was shared by the other company. The candy apple company, yeah. After the fact. And they were like, why? What's wrong? Like, are you afraid to be alone with Dean? And he just dropped his head.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Like he just hung his head. How old is the dude? I think he was like 15. Wow. So he just drops his head. And I don't know what came about it. I don't know if they were accommodating to his schedule, but we don't really know now This is where it starts getting even more chaotic Dean had a phase
Starting point is 00:32:31 You know how everyone goes through a phase maybe your boss goes through a phase where they're like oh Starbucks on me or we need 25 coffee machines Dean had a phase where he would shovel He would go out there and he would just dig Dig in the back of the candy store all night long. Yep. The rear wall of the factory and the railroad spread that ran along the back. He would just dig. He even dug in his powder room. Wait, what? Yeah. He's digging a grave or something?
Starting point is 00:32:58 Maybe. So you just go and dig and dig and dig. He dug in his powdering room, he boarded it over and he laid fresh cement on it. Nobody asked. Inside of his powdering room, he had a big roll of clear plastic, sacks of cement, and again, nobody asked what those were for. They were like, it's just Dean. He would also dig in like this wooded area that later became a parking lot and people would be like, hey, like, why do you constantly go out at night and dig?
Starting point is 00:33:23 Like I drove past and I saw you digging again. Like, where are you digging? It just doesn't, it's not a normal hobby. No one just picks up digging. Like you pick up tennis or something. It was like, I just fucking love it. It's a really good cardio. Like, my soul training. Like, it's just weird. Like, why do you keep digging? And so once they started bringing up these questions, he answered them. Hey, lift it. Discarded candy apples, they, they just bring a lot of bees, like so many bees. Spoiled pecans, they're infested with bugs, and if we get them into our fresh pecans, then it's just like this whole thing that I have to deal with. So the best way to avoid insect pests is to bury all of the contaminated stuff. And they were like, okay, well that makes sense. So they would just watch him dig all night long
Starting point is 00:34:02 without any complaint. He was just digging. All day, all night. Just that was a face that he went through digging. So then good old Mary, she gets onto a computer and yeah, okay, there's computers back in the day, so he's shook. There was this matchmaking site where they had this giant computer and you sit there and you fill out a questionnaire and they run it through the computer, but I guess maybe it's not really a computer at that point and they will literally find you who is your match based on the ways that you answer your questions. So like the first match making service, the first Tinder, you know, you get it. So, marry me to a guy by the name of Walt and this is going to be her fourth marriage with the third man. Walt is a merchant seamen and he is, he's not
Starting point is 00:34:43 really a good person, so they only knew each other for about a month They get married a very rushed decision and they started honeymooning in Mexico City and that's when Mary realized this guy is in fork in violent like he's so violent He would raise hell with a cab driver and just would start screaming at him for no reason Like maybe he had forgotten like five cents of the change and she he would just blow up Everywhere he went on their honeymoon. He's just yelling at strangers and she's like okay like this is weird So she does some more digging when she gets back to Texas and his previous wife had hung herself And he took off the rope from her neck before he called the police
Starting point is 00:35:19 So there was a lot of suspicions in the community that he had actually murdered his first wife And she was like okay, maybe I should divorce him. So she divorces him and then remarries him again. So she goes into her fifth marriage with her third husband. Yeah, it's very interesting. Now Mary keeps going to her psychic during this time because she's really confused. She's like, do I love Walt? Does Walt love me? Like, what's going on with our relationship?
Starting point is 00:35:43 And Walt had brought up some really intense concerns with her. He said, hey, do you know that your son is gay? And I said, Walt, what do you mean? And Walt's like, you know, the number of young boys invites over, like that's just not normal. Like, why does he give out all this free candy that can't be good for your bottom line? Like, I'm pretty sure your son is gay. And Mary is like, no, my son is loyal, obedient, helpful, loving, and just a good, normal
Starting point is 00:36:08 boy. And she had science to back it up because she went to her psychic and the psychic told her astrologically impossible for Dean to be gay based off of his birth charts, his star charts, his moon charts, his butt charts, like I don't know all of that jazz. She was just like this is impossible like my psychic told me that my son is not gay. It just doesn't match. The universe didn't have it in its plans, okay? And so while it's like, okay, I mean, I guess,
Starting point is 00:36:33 but why doesn't he have a serious girlfriend then? And that's when Mary's like, okay, well, it's because I've been through so many broken marriages. Like, he just doesn't want to get hurt. Like, you know, he's seen me go through so many men. He's seen me go through, you know, so many different failed relationships. He just doesn't want to be a part of that. He doesn't want to get hurt. Like, you know, he's seen me go through so many men, he's seen me go through, you know, so many different failed relationships. He just doesn't want to be a part of that. He
Starting point is 00:36:48 doesn't want to get his heart broken like I have. So he's like, this mom is really living in her own world. Yeah, like truly, truly, truly, and I think that it will, it'll show at the end of the story too. It seems like she was so busy doing her own thing that she refuses to take any sort of acknowledgement because that would mean that she was a shitty mom. Like she was so busy doing her own thing that she didn't raise her kid right and then he turned out to be a serial killer. Now I'm not blaming all serial killers parents. I'm just saying, you know, in this situation, I think maybe that's why she's deflecting
Starting point is 00:37:22 so much. And so the dude was insane. Walt is insane. He would do these crazy things that he would go to work in Boston and he would fly back to Houston without telling anyone because Mary didn't come to the phone. She didn't answer the phone. So he's like, you know what? I'm gonna fly to Houston again and see what the fork is up. He would rent a car so that Mary has no idea that it's his car. Sit outside in front of the house for two nights in a row, all day, all night,
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Starting point is 00:38:57 rotten. That's upstart.com slash rotten. Don't forget to use our URL to let them know that we sent you. Also, loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application So what were time for the people in the back go to upstart.com slash rotten So wall is just sitting out there waiting for Mary to screw up and finally he decides you know what I'm done waiting I'm gonna call this house so he gets his phone He calls the house and he called the wrong number, and a man picks up. Because it's not Mary's house, he called the wrong house.
Starting point is 00:39:30 And he thinks that he called the right number, so he's like, what the heck, why is there a man inside this house? Like Mary said that she was gonna be at work, Mary said that she was gonna be at home, doing some laundry, doing some cleaning. But now there is a man inside the house, so he buss through the door. Like I'm talking, shoulder to door, just tackled it. And he sees Mary sitting in the living room completely alone, sewing. Just sewing a sweater.
Starting point is 00:39:54 And she's like, what is wrong with you? So that was like the initial problems. Then it got even stranger. He would start stealing things from around the house. Like he'd be like, oh, this is a beautiful candle that you have. And then it would just completely disappear the next day. And she'd be like, hey, I know this is a really weird question to ask But did you steal my candle? Like did you just take it because you were looking at it and now it's gone and I mean Where would I even take a candle and he's like, oh, I'm sure it's your son Dean your gay son Dean stole the candle because that's what gay people do
Starting point is 00:40:22 Like Walt was very homophobic okay and so Um, she's like, but I don't think it was my son Why would my son steal my candle like he has been such a good son? And so she would ask Dean and Dean would get upset and he'd be like, why would you accuse me of stealing your candle? I don't want your candle mom and so Dean eventually stopped coming to the mom's place He was just like I'm so done with this. I don't want to get involved I was just so hurt with you accusing me of stealing all of these crazy things and it's all because of this stupid ass husband that you have. So their family life was just all over the place. So Walt keeps telling Mary, listen, it's not me. I'm doing all of these weird things,
Starting point is 00:40:55 like I'm, you know, flying from Boston to Houston and tackling down your front door and yelling at you and, you know, becoming abusive because I'm a paranoid schizophrenic and that's just what it is, that's just the life baby. And so she was like, okay, well, if you are, then maybe we can get you some help. So she had him admitted, because they were legally married, and she could do that. And the county hospital didn't even keep him for 24 hours. It was just like, you're fine, release him.
Starting point is 00:41:18 So he goes up to marry, and he tells her straight up. Now that I've had my check up, it's about time that you have yours, but not at a county hospital. I'm gonna take you to a private hospital, a private institution, and you're not coming home until you've had your shock treatments. What is happening? So Mary's like, okay, I don't wanna get shock therapy.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Like this is terrifying. Like this man is evil. Like what is wrong with him? So she moves out of her house and she starts hiding in the candy shop for Six-week straight the candy company became a fortress they would put up these like crazy Salt bags like these sugar bags in front of the door because they thought that Walt was gonna shoot through the door Okay, yeah, so during all this Walt would constantly call pulling thread say I need my wife back
Starting point is 00:42:04 I need this back But he would also be going on dates during all of this time So Walt is not only homophobic, but he's a cheater, but he's also like a hundred percent fucking audacity Like that's all he's got going on, right? And so, you know, mom and Dean, they would talk on these walkie-talkies They would make sure that she's safe, like I'm telling you this is so chaotic Yeah, they would talk on these walkie talkies. They would follow Walt around to see him.
Starting point is 00:42:28 So it seems like Mary was upset that he is so scary and violent and abusive, but at the same time, like she was upset that he was going on dates. So they would spy on him. They would get into the van. They would have these walkie talkies. They would follow him around watching him go on these little lunches, these little dinners
Starting point is 00:42:43 with these other girlfriends, and she'd get so pissed off. But at the same time she's like, I don't want to stay married to him so I don't know what to do. So Walt eventually keeps trying to break into the candy factory. They go to the Houston Police Department and the police department, ta-da, does nothing. They were just like, why don't you go buy a gun if you're so scared? So they did. They went and got a pistol. The police said, get a weapon. Yeah, the police said nah I really want to do my job so like everybody just get guns It'll be a better world. They said
Starting point is 00:43:12 So they get a pistol now one time wall comes and he starts banging on the candy factory door He's like let me in you're gonna let me in and he starts calling Dean some crazy ass names He's like you're a queer and just just so he starts calling Dean some crazy ass names. He's like, you're a queer. And just so many homophobic slurs, right? And so Mary's just yelling at Dean. Get the gun, Dean, just kill him. Get the gun, get the gun, kill him, kill him. Kill him, do something.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Shut up. No, straight up, yeah. Ha, ha. She's so chaotic. Do something. We have to get rid of him. Get the gun, get the gun, kill him. Just kill him, Dean, kill him.
Starting point is 00:43:46 And then? And Dean was like, Mom, no! Okay. Jeez Louise, and he shook his head and disapproved well, you know? That was the whole gig, and so the candy business, it starts falling apart because, I mean, the whole time, they're not making any more candy, they're just following around Walt and their van with walkie-talkies. You know, she's threatening to kill him, and it's just this whole ordeal, Mary's mental health was probably in the gutter at this point. It just was a lot, so Dean gets a day job at Houston Power.
Starting point is 00:44:12 So the power company in Houston, and he would come in at night to make more candy, and it was just a lot, like, it was just intense. Mary ends up divorcing Walt, and she goes to her psychic, the same one that she always goes to the one that said it was Astrologically impossible for Dean to be gay because of his birth charts and she tells her Hey, this is really good that you divorced your husband He was quite abusive But you need to get the hell out of dodge like you need a freaking leave like I don't know what's gonna happen to you
Starting point is 00:44:39 If you stay you need to go as far away as possible So she ends up packing all of her things on the advice of this psychic and literally moves to Colorado She's like bye now. She does take Joyce with her I do believe Stanley at this point goes to live with his dad and now Dean She's like okay, we'll pack your stuff Dean like we're gonna go to Colorado. It's gonna be amazing and he tells her mom I kind of want to stay in Houston. I kind of want to figure life out for myself. And she's pretty pissed. Like, she's like, what do you mean?
Starting point is 00:45:09 Like, what is there in Houston? We don't even have the candy company anymore. Like, what are you gonna do in Houston? It's like, I've got this figured out. So I got a full-time job at Houston Lightning and Power. And I got my own apartment. I think maybe it's good. Like, I'm 28, mom.
Starting point is 00:45:22 I think it's okay that I kind of figure out how to live on my own. So she's like, okay, well you have to call me every single day, three times a day. I don't know if she said that, but probably. And he's like, okay, fine, you move, it'll be great. I'm gonna do my own thing. Now, a couple of things that people notice
Starting point is 00:45:36 is that by the time that he's 28, everything else about Dean seemed so completely normal. I mean, yes, he did flirt with teenage boys. That's alarming, but back in the day, I I guess not that alarming not as alarming as being gay probably which is weird because that's that's what people Were so shocked about in all of these interviews. They're like, you know, it's crazy. He was gay and it's like that That's what's crazy in this story like that's the part that you're gonna be like fucking who would have known? This is crazy. Yeah, so the only thing other than all of that that they thought was weird is that you know Dean's 28 and anytime anyone asked him like hey, how old are you? How long has it been he would say?
Starting point is 00:46:13 Oh, it's you don't need to know really how old are you? I knew you since you were what I was 28 you were 14 and now you must be Oh, you must be like 28! And he would get incredibly sensitive. He'd be like, what, why does it matter? Like he would just get so defensive if people found out that he was, you know, itching on 30. A lot of people didn't think it was that strange because, you know, like I said, Mary was also the type of woman that wanted to look a lot younger than she actually was. So they thought it runs in the family.
Starting point is 00:46:41 They're all just kind of weird. They all just want to be super super young just like that. So Dean gets his first place and it was definitely a first place. A lot of people call it a shed, not so much an apartment, not so much a house. So he has this little shed and he really decked it out like he pipped my shed. Remember that van? He did the same thing with his shed. He got rugs. He got TVs all over this shed. I can't imagine how big the shed is, but he had TVs all over the place. He freaking loves TVs, he loves stereos. He had black lights installed, he had an air conditioner unit installed so that during
Starting point is 00:47:12 the Houston hot summers, all of these teenage boys would find comfort in his wonderfully air condition shed. Oh, it's about to get bad. So he made a place cool for kids. So cool. Like if a 30-year-old was living in a place like this, this is the type you'd be like, man, did you gotta get it together? Like you're 30.
Starting point is 00:47:32 But he was like, I'm gonna make this like a teenager's dream. Interesting. He also had this little light in his room that would alert him if anyone was outside, which I thought was weird, so it seems like he's a little bit paranoid. Now, Dean did move about 5 to 6 times a year, so I'm not going to take you on this whole last U-Haul tour of Houston, but just know that every time there's something else happening, he's probably in a new place. Now, a lot of people were very, very confused right this.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Why do you move 6 times a year? Like, your lease isn't even over yet. Like how does this even make sense? A lot of the neighbors said maybe it has to do with his constant parties that he was having with all these teenage boys. They would come over. They would have paint. They would drink alcohol under a drinking. Just get, I mean, they would rage on. They would play that stereo and those 10 TVs full on, full, full sound. It's just crazy. But Mary, Mary had a different reason Mary the mom she said oh no that's not why he moved so often do you really want to know why he moved he moved because kids would follow him home they'd be like you're the candy man and they would
Starting point is 00:48:38 follow him to his shed and they'd be like give us some free candy can we hang out in your place oh wow it's air-conditioning. Can we watch TV? Can I listen to your stereo? And Dean was so kind. And he was such a good big brother that he couldn't kick these kids out. He couldn't say, hey, listen, I'm 30. You're 12.
Starting point is 00:48:56 This is wildly inappropriate. You need to get out of my house. He wouldn't even say, hey, I've got to go to work. So you need to get out. You need a skiddattle. He would just pack up all of his things and move because he did not want to hurt these kids feelings Freakin Mary She just comes up with a wildest excuses. No now that his family has gone
Starting point is 00:49:16 Dean really just embraces his wild side like he just feels like he can do whatever he wants He starts doing more beach trips with these teenage boys He starts going on longer trips, like day trips, night trips to South Texas beaches. I mean, that was like his favorite thing. He just hung around these teenage boys. Now, enter in a teenage boy. So we're gonna briefly talk about David Owen Brooks
Starting point is 00:49:39 before he gets injected into Dean's life, right? Now, David Owen Brooks had a very tough upbringing. Like, it was just a shit show. So his parents were divorced and he would go back from his mom's house in Beaumont and his dad's house in Houston, which is another city, right? Beaumont, and he was bullied a lot,
Starting point is 00:49:55 like from everyone, like from the kids at school, his teachers and his own dad. Like, his dad really, really hated him. His dad thought that he was, and I quote, said, you're no son of mine. That was like his favorite thing to hated him his dad thought that he was and I quote said you're no son of mine That was like his favorite thing to say to his son You are no son of mine and all of this was because David was a little bit weak He was a little bit frail and he wore hippie glasses He wore glasses because he couldn't see it wasn't even for style
Starting point is 00:50:19 He was like I can't see I am visually impaired that he would put these glasses on so that that was like you're not a man He said you're a little sissy. That's what he said because you can't see. I am visually impaired. Then he would put these glasses on. So the dad was like, you're not a man. He said you're a little sissy. That's what he said. Because you can't see. Yeah, so this is like back in the day in Texas where like if, and I'm sure all across the United States too, but like back in the day dudes like dads would be like, listen, if you were not tackling 25 people on the football field
Starting point is 00:50:40 and telling me about how many bitches you're gonna fuck, like you're not a man. Yeah, like it was a Weird time back in the day. It's truly weird. It's truly so weird. He would constantly call his own son You little sissy like what's wrong with you? You're no son of mine and anytime he would come over He would be very very abusive. So David all of his friends were saying hey you hate your dad some of us hate our dad We go to this other dudes house. Oh my God, so fun. David's like, what?
Starting point is 00:51:07 Yeah, this is a guy named Dean. He used to have like this candy shop and I would get free candy from him. And now he's placed. Like, he's got TVs, he's got stereos, and he lets you have paint. Yeah, he lets you have paint. And so David's like, I wanna go.
Starting point is 00:51:19 What do you mean? I wanna go there. I wanna have paint. What's having paint? I wanna do it. And so 12 year old David, that's when he meets Dean Coral. When he's 12 and Dean is 28. So huge!
Starting point is 00:51:33 Age gap. Now, they start getting super close. They would constantly go to beaches together. David and Dean were always seen together. If David needed cash, Dean would straight-up give him cash. Like, it's not even free candy. He'd be like, here is some free dollar bills. Like, here is free money.
Starting point is 00:51:49 And David would go around telling everyone, Dean's like a father figure to me. Like, he is the dad that I never had. He would stay at Dean's place. Dad didn't even care. David's dad was like, okay, fine, Sissy. Bye. Really rude.
Starting point is 00:52:01 That's grooming, isn't it? Yes, straight up grooming. And it worked. I'm not saying like good, isn't it? Yes, straight up grooming. And it worked. I'm not saying like good, but like, you know, it worked for Dean. His sick, twisted grooming worked because within two years of knowing each other, now at this point, David is like 14, 15 years old and Dean is like 30 years old. Within two years, their relationship turned sexual and Dean started abusing David. It will all start with, here's some cash, here's a gift, and now take off your pants.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Like, that's literally how it went. And so Dean would start performing oral sex on David, and it just kind of escalated more and more, and it seemed like he was holding this money and all of this over David's head. Now, it's really, really difficult because towards the end of the story, you're gonna develop a lot of hatred for David,
Starting point is 00:52:44 and so did I, but it's just never gonna be as intense for the hatred for Dean because David essentially was truly in the full extent groomed. Like, I don't even, I mean, it's insane. Think about it. His dad doesn't even care to give him food. His dad doesn't care to make sure that he has clothes that he has, you know, to just live life,
Starting point is 00:53:04 not even to live a successful life, but like, you need food, you he has, you know, to just live life, not even to live a successful life, but like you need food, you need shelter, you need clothes. But Dean, now he's coming in just giving a Tim, never making fun of him, never saying, what's up with those glasses, you little sissy? Never, he just treated him like an equal. And so David, it's like, I found my person, like this is, this is my dad really. And he just started treating him like a dad. And if dad tells you to do something,
Starting point is 00:53:25 a lot of the times, what do you do? You do it because your parent tells you to do it. So I mean, he was a father figure over David, financially, emotionally, mentally, physically, even, because David would go to his place to stay when his dad was being abusive. And he just had David wrapped around his finger. Now, Dean is a man who is very, very busy. Meanwhile,
Starting point is 00:53:46 while he's grooming David and grooming all of these other boys, he actually around this time kills his first known victim. So his name is Jeffrey Cohnet and he just vanished one day. He just up and vanished. So he went hitchhiking. He's a student from the University of Texas and he was like, I need to get home to Houston. Like, that's where my parents live. I need to go. So he starts hitchhiking from there. He gets to Houston. He gets dropped off at a specific corner. And people remember this. And then he was like, okay, well, now I need to get
Starting point is 00:54:13 to my family's house. So nobody knows exactly what happened, but the speculation is that Dean picked him up because he actually lived really close to where Jeffrey was dropped off in Houston, like around that corner. And he picked him up and was like, hey, I can take you to your parents house,
Starting point is 00:54:26 totally no problem. He was sexually assaulted. He was strangled by a cloth being placed inside of his mouth. He was bound on his hands and his feet. And when the police found his body, get this. He was covered completely in lime. So not like the fruit, but the lime that you get from like home depot.
Starting point is 00:54:42 It helps conceal the odor of decomposition and usually it's used for like animals and maybe some construction stuff, listen I don't know, I don't really go to Home Depot a lot. But like I know a lot of people use it for illegal stuff. So he called lime. Yeah he was covered in lime, wrapped in plastic. And so nobody, I mean the police find his body like this and they're like, this is weird. This is professional. Yeah, this is professional. Like all the other serial killers that we've talked about, I mean, their first murders were messy.
Starting point is 00:55:12 There was no system, there was no, you know, cohesive thought of, I'm gonna get the one, I'm gonna get the plastic, I'm gonna bind them like this, like this seemed like too experienced. So that is why even though Jeffrey is his first known victim around this time, it's speculated that he probably had a lot more victims prior to this. Yeah, because you're saying that he was digging and digging. What was he digging now? Nobody knows. They didn't even dig that part up later.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Is it that crazy? Oh, man. So there could still be people in Houston that are just okay like what's going on now he's doing this He kills Jeffrey Conan He's still grooming these boys and he develops an intense relationship with David now David at 15 years old He sees something shocking He walks into Dean's apartment one day because he's like listen my dad sucks I'm gonna stay here for the night. He walks in doesn't let anyone anyone know, and he opens the door to Dean's room, and Dean is butt naked in bed with two naked boys
Starting point is 00:56:08 tied up to his bed, and he was actively molesting them. So David's like, what is happening? And Dean turns around and is like, what are you doing here? So David, he's like shocked, he's scared, he immediately dips out of there, he runs, makes a U-turn, gets out of there.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Now a couple days later, Dean comes back to him and is like, hey, listen. Let's talk about what you saw, because that was weird, huh? David's like, yeah, that was fucking weird. He's like, come back to my place. Let me just explain, because I've got an explanation. Like, it looks strange, it looks illegal, it looks weird, but I can assure you it's none of those things. So David goes back to his place and they start talking and Dean's like, listen. I'm part of a gay pornography ring. That's what I'm doing. This is all for gay pornography. So I pay these boys in Houston and we produce some gay porn and then I ship them to California and they're
Starting point is 00:56:55 going to produce gay porn against their will. They're going to be like sex slaves to gay porn. And David's like, yeah, you're right. It's definitely not as strange as I thought. But he just was like, okay, he accepts the idea. Now, a couple days later, Dean comes coming back and he's like, hey, I want to talk to you about that gay porn thing. So David's like, oh yeah, let's talk about it. I mean, it wasn't that weird to like what's going on. And he says, so I kind of lied about the gay porn thing. That's not actually what happened. And David's like, oh, okay, well, what happened? Yeah, I didn't send them to California because I killed them. And then I buried them in my storage shed. Are you mad at me? It's just straight up. I killed them. The two boys.
Starting point is 00:57:35 What's David's reaction? And David was like, hey, I think I should drop out of high school to spend more time with you. No, but straight up. That's what happens. I don't know what his immediate reaction was because he never mentions. but the next step is like, when David just turns into somebody else. So I rarely get called to genius, and when I do, I take it and I run with it, I run all the way to town with it, and I'm going to tell you about where people call me, a genius. It's with threat up. So I have this thing where I decided that I was gonna start thrifting in the middle of a pandemic and I couldn't go to these thrift stores,
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Starting point is 00:59:26 So Dean tells him the truth. He has this storage shed. He buried the two bodies there. To this day, those two victims have never been identified. We don't know who they are. But they define remains. Yes, so it's kind of like, okay, you know? It's a little interesting.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Now, David drops out of high school to spend more time with Dean. And for David's 16th birthday, Dean's like, listen, I got you. This is your sweet 16 and he bought him a green Corvette. Corvette, Corvette straight up. Wow. What were he getting all these money from? I don't know. He's not doing candy shop normally.
Starting point is 01:00:03 He's doing the Houston Lightning and power lightning light and power Okay, and so I mean it obviously made everyone at school super jealous because David is now driving around in a vet But that's grooming right you're using money and buying them toys and it's also like kind of like organized crime like buying silence Yeah, but it's not buying silence. It's like he's like basically manipulating her. Yeah, right. Especially when you're 16 who doesn't want a green Corvette and everyone was jealous and they said that David just rode up and down in his car. He wasn't somebody that anyone hung out with or wanted to hang out with because he wasn't really that nice. He didn't really talk that much. You just see him driving around the neighborhood in his little green vet. That's what people said.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Sounds a little jealous to me, but we'll continue on. So at this point, he offers to pay David. He says, what do you think about a salary, David? David's like, that'd be nice. I mean, I dropped out of high school, I don't have a job. Like, yeah, I want a salary. He's like, I will pay you $200 for any boy that you can lure into my apartment. So in today's money, that's about $1300. So $1,300. That's a lot of money to a lot of money. 16, 17 years old. Especially David was from an area called Houston Heights, which is not really the best area at the time.
Starting point is 01:01:21 So they came from poverty. His family wasn't that rich. So this is a ton of money. So the first murder that David participates in are two of his friends. He brings in Jimmy Glass, who is a son of an engineer, a really popular kid actually. He was known for wearing leather jackets with like fringes on the sleeve and everyone really loved him. He had this like thick long hair styled and girls just like went crazy over that long hair. They were like, your long hair is so cool, Jimmy. And he had another friend by the name of Danny Yates, who was the son of an electrician. He was also popular. He had a girlfriend named Betty, and Betty said that she still keeps a picture of Danny in her jewelry box.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Even though she's remarried, she's like an old lady now, she's got kids, because this was like her first love. And they had their first kiss in the laundry room of the apartment complex that they shared, and it just, you just don't forget a moment like that. That's what Betty said. So these two boys, they get lured in by David, they're 14 years old, and they were at a church, and they just got up in the middle of the service, walked on the aisle, went to the restroom, and I think maybe they had left the church, and maybe David and Dean had driven up in their little court vet, and was like, hey, you want to get in the car? And they went to Dean's place.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Now immediately, when Jimmy and Danny ran away, I mean, these are not troublemakers, not that that would matter, but these are 14 year old little boys. So they immediately go to the police. The families are like, look, police, You need to help us Houston police department like do something. What do we do? What do we do? And the police said, I really think that they are runaways because we looked into it. We asked some people and Jimmy, Jimmy, the one with a long hair, right? He had arguments with his dad. Is that not true? We heard
Starting point is 01:02:59 from a lot of sources that you guys fought over his hair all the time. You wanted him to cut his hair, but he never wanted to cut his hair. So he probably ran away the time. You wanted him to cut his hair, but he never wanted to cut his hair. So he probably ran away so that he didn't have to cut his hair. And you know, Danny, as someone said, that they saw him at like a little shed, abandoned shed that nobody goes to, like a runaway place for rebels to go to.
Starting point is 01:03:17 So pretty sure that's an accurate source. I mean, it was an anonymous tip, but it's pretty accurate. So we're just gonna go with it. We're not gonna investigate They like what do you mean? You're not gonna investigate. I mean, there's just no sounds of foul play. They left from a church They left together. I mean Come on guys now at this point Danny's older sister remembers that they were talking about a man who gave them rides to a movie theater And bought them tons of beer and they were kind of like talking about it. Like, isn't that crazy?
Starting point is 01:03:45 Like, he's over-aged. Like, he's, you know, 30 and he's buying us beer. Like, ooh, free beer. And later she realized the description matched Dean Coral. But that's not during the time of investigation. But even when she told the police, like, there's some guy who would like bought them beer. They're like, okay. That just confirms that they're the types to run away.
Starting point is 01:04:04 They're underage drinking. 14-year-olds drinking beer. I mean, what kind of family is this? So how are you raising your kids? So the police would constantly tell the family. They probably hitch-tiked to California to, like, join a cult. Like, that was big back in the day. Like, the hippie-movement cults. They're in a cult in California.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Call Charles Manson. Like, we don't know anything about your son. And the families were like, what? What do you mean? That's it? Yep, that's it. If we ever see them, we'll tell them to go back to school. They didn't even say, we'll call you.
Starting point is 01:04:31 We'll tell them to come home. We'll bring them home immediately. So the families, they start falling apart. They started posting flyers every single day. They placed ads in the paper, writing directly. So Jimmy's family wrote directly into the newspaper saying, Jimmy, we will buy you a motorcycle. If you come home, please Jimmy will do anything that you want. If you come home, Danny's dad got a random tip that Danny was in Mexico and drove all the way to Mexico
Starting point is 01:04:56 and just searched around in a country that he doesn't know because he was like, I heard my son's here. Danny's sister said that Danny's dad eventually just fell apart. Like he believed he ran away because he was too hard on him and he was like, I shouldn't have yelled at him for this or that or this. And like side note, it gets really sad because the parents of Jimmy, they identify him initially because he was buried right next to his beloved leather
Starting point is 01:05:21 jacket. And he was decomposed too much to actually get it like a facial ID. So those were the first murders that David participated in. And then a few weeks later, there was Donald and Jerry Waldrup. So they are brothers and Dean and David were just driving around and they spot these two brothers. So Donald is 15, Jerry is 13 and they were on their way to a boiling alley. And Dean was like Dean was like hey like let's get in the car Like I got some weed. I got some we can have paint. We can do all of these things. I'm gonna have a party at my house So typically that was his like whole gig
Starting point is 01:05:51 He would offer them a lift either to a party or to get them some illegal substances and he would drive them to his house Now I'm gonna give you Dean's mo right now So this gets really really brutal if you just want to skip ahead because if you don't like torture Especially torture against children. This is not going to be a fun time. I mean, it's not going to be a fun time either way, but you get the idea. So once they get to Dean's place, the M.O. is this. They're either given tons of alcohol or end or other drugs, and they pass out or they get tricked into wearing handcuffs. How, how you ask? Just like John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy actually said that he was inspired
Starting point is 01:06:24 by the Houston mass murders. By this guy. Yeah. John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy actually said that he was inspired by the Houston mass murders. By this guy. Yeah, John Wayne Gacy gets caught like three, four years after this guy. And he legit say I was inspired by this dude. Mm-hmm. Wow. So he would do the handcuff trick,
Starting point is 01:06:38 which is he would show himself putting on his handcuffs and then he had the key in his pocket. He would take it out and undo it and no one would know because it's behind his back and then he'd say, hey kid, isn't that so cool? Like I just magically took the handcuffs off. Why don't you try, I'll teach you how to do it, how to get out of handcuffs without the key, so then the kid unknowingly would put their own handcuffs on their own hands, bind themselves, and now they're like, how do I do it, how do I get out of these handcuffs? And now you just handcuff this kid. Then he would drag them to his bed and tie them up
Starting point is 01:07:09 because he had one of those like posterboard beds. Do you know what I mean? With the sticks at the all four corners. And he would either tie them up or he had his infamous torture board. It was an eight foot long two feet wide with holes in each corner and handcuffs. So the hands would be cuffed to the holes on the
Starting point is 01:07:25 corners. They would just ply wood, like the wood that you get at home depot. Just a tall wood? Yeah. Okay. And your hands would be cuffed to each corner. Your feet would be tied up with nylon rope through the bottom holes of the corners, so you would just be like an X symbol on this torture board. And sometimes, well, a lot of the times, he would have two victims at once and he would tie them to the opposite sides of the torture board. And they would be sexually assaulted, beaten, and tortured, and a lot of the times he would torture them for days. One of his favorite methods of torture was he would like to pluck pubic hair from these young boys, one by one. So either using his fingers or pliers, he would individually pluck out the child's pubic hair.
Starting point is 01:08:05 That's insane. What? Yeah, some reportedly passed out from the pain, but a lot of the times most of them were entirely awake for this super slow, very strange, very torturous procedure. That's insane. That sounds like... It's sadism, yeah. Yeah, he's getting a lot of those... Ah.
Starting point is 01:08:23 And then it gets worse, the glass rods. What is it? So the police found a ton of little glass rods, and when they talked to the accomplices, they found out that he would insert glass rods into the urethra of the victim's penis. It's a long thin glass rod, and then once it's inserted, he would smash it. So there would just be glass inside, just like smashed glass. And allegedly, this was his preferred method of torture.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Police also found 18-inch double-sided dildos inside of his place. It was said that he was inserting objects into people's rectums as a form of torture. Now, according to one of the accomplices, one victim upset Dean so much that he nod off his genitals while he was locked up on the torture board. They later did find in the boat shed two plastic bags of a severed penis and testicles in each one, and they were almost perfectly preserved for whatever reason. And the torture was bad.
Starting point is 01:09:23 When they found the victim's bodies, one of them, the victim's mouth was open so wide that all of their upper and lower teeth were visible. And all of the corners were like, okay, well, how could this be? Like, how do you find yourself passing away in this exact situation, right? Where they tied up like that. And investigators came to the conclusion that the boy had died while screaming. So he also had a torture van. So the torture van, the rear windows of the boy had died while screaming. So he also had a torture van. So the torture van, the rear windows of the van had these thick blue curtains and inside he had rope, he had a pegboard of a wall, you know, inside the van.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And that was rigged with several rings and hooks. So it looks like straight up an abduction van, like he could tie people up to that pegboard. He had a wooden crate with air holes drilled and a beige rug covered in soil stains. So the wooden crate, a lot of people said that it was two transport bodies to their burial sites, but there's air holes. So the police theorized that the kids were tortured inside these crates too.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Maybe they were locked up there and then he would take them out to torture them and then place them back in these crates. He had binoculars, like the things that you look far from, binoculars. He had a portable two-way radio and Inside of his home. He had another torture box This one was smaller than a coffin and they just found a bunch of nylon rope inside with air holes and a bunch of hair
Starting point is 01:10:36 Like victims hair some of the accomplices hair So he probably did keep his victims alive for prolonged periods of time now his Now his next demo would be that he would make these kids write letters back home before he kills them. So they would usually say things like, I'm running away, like I don't really love you, or they would say things like, oh, I found a job in Austin, and I'll be back in a couple of months.
Starting point is 01:10:56 And then eventually they would be murdered. So they were either strangled or shot. So the accomplice said that he liked strangling. It was his preferred method. It was slow and painful That's what they said the gunshots he would leave them to bleed out a lot of the times They would not be shot in a way that they instantly die So he would just sometimes leave them in the bathtub to just bleed out and oftentimes he would continue to molest them while they bleed out from their gunshot wound So this is why I'm confused. He's not talked about. I know it's like really intense details for a lot of people to swallow, even for me,
Starting point is 01:11:28 and I've been so into true crime for so long. But I mean, it's crazy that so many kids fall victim to this evil man, and we're just like, but like, what are the nights, stalker? Not comparing, but it's just, it's crazy how no one really talks about this case so much. So let's go back to the wall drop dad so both of his sons are missing and he starts freaking out he's like you know both my sons are gone like what do I do what do I do where's my sons now David testified to seeing coral strangle both of those boys and they were later buried in the boat shed so they had passed they've
Starting point is 01:12:01 been murdered now the wall drop, he's a construction worker and he starts freaking out, he goes to the police station and here's the crazy thing, the boys lived half a mile away from where Jimmy and Danny disappeared. So you would think that the police would put two and two together but they were like, oh, your kids are runaway. They told him that your kids both collectively ran away together.
Starting point is 01:12:21 So the dad camped outside the police station for months. He said that he was there as much as the chief was, and the chief would always look at him and say, why are you here? You know your boys are runaways. Insane. So later, the wall drop family, they get a call. And it was like, hey, I don't know if this has anything
Starting point is 01:12:38 to do with your sons. I heard you guys were looking for your sons, but I saw someone who looked like, God, what's his name? The guy that had the candy shop? With his mom, the weird mom, the one that always wore for it. Yeah, I, he was like bearing something in like a boat shed that he has and someone said it looks like my kids said it looked like bodies, but, you know, kids, they're weird, but maybe you should look into it.
Starting point is 01:12:58 So they immediately called the police department and they're like, we think we know what happened to our sons. And they do just a super stupid search. They go out to the boat shed and they just look around and they say, eh, it's nothing. It's a hoax. That's what they said. A question if they even went right here. When I don't even think so. Yeah. So then Randall Harvey disappears. Now this is the eighth victim. He's 15 years old. He's riding his bike to work at a gas station. And David knew Randall. They were friends and probably persuaded him to get into Dean's car and ride with them to
Starting point is 01:13:28 Dean's place or maybe he was going to take them to the gas station, but he was taken to Dean's apartment where he, you know, was tortured and placed into Dean's storage shed. Then there was Mally Winkle. So these are two boys walking to the neighborhood swimming pool and this gets really intense. Gregory Mally Winkle, he goes by M boys walking to the neighborhood swimming pool and this gets really intense. Gregory Mally Winkle, he goes by Mally, he's 16 years old and he actually used to work at the Carroll's Candy Factory. He used to be an employee there. He only had amazing things. He wasn't like Jimmy where he's like, oh, I'm really scared of this guy, right? Like he only had amazing things to say about his former boss. His mom used to work there too. Isn't that insane? Like she had a part-time job there.
Starting point is 01:14:04 And Mally was a super sweet kid. So for Mother's Day, I mean, their entire family is struggling. He would grab, he would save up all of his money, and he wrote her a card for Mother's Day, Dear Mother, this $10 bill. Well, five of it is for your Mother's Day gift. Not for bills, but for something that you want. Spend it on yourself.
Starting point is 01:14:22 This $5 doesn't come out of the money that I owe you. I still owe you $25. This is your mother's day gift. PS, I didn't know what to buy you. I love you. That's shared by the mom. And he was with his best friend, David Hillinggeist, who is 14 years old, and he actually went to the candy store
Starting point is 01:14:39 a lot. His mom actually had to go to the candy store multiple times to be like, stop hanging out here. This man has worked to do. Like you're intruding on people's business. Geez, I'm so sorry Dean. Like, I'll take care of it. And she would drag her son David away.
Starting point is 01:14:54 And they too were strangled and buried in the shed. Now the police, the police don't investigate this disappearance at all. So Mally Winkle, he actually called his mom the night that he disappeared police the police don't investigate this disappearance at all so malle winkle he actually called his mom the night that he disappeared and let her know that she was he was gonna go swimming with some friends at a local beach town and the police were like well that means he ran away to the local beach town oh my why would he call you if he's getting kidnapped I mean obviously if someone killed him or someone kidnapped him or any sort of foul play he couldn't call you could
Starting point is 01:15:24 he so David H's parents were really confused because they were going on or someone kidnapped him or any sort of foul play, he couldn't call you, could he? So David H's parents were really confused because they were going on vacation tomorrow. And David H was looking for it. He packed his clothes, he took out his allowance, he took out $20 and he was like, I'm gonna spend this on the trip for whatever I want. Why would he run away?
Starting point is 01:15:40 Like he all he did for the past month has been talking about this vacation. and now you're saying he ran away So both families they printed tonnifiers. They put up a $1,000 reward for anyone who knows the whereabouts of these children and David H's parents the Hill and Geist They buy our money to hire a private investigator and the PI did some digging and they told them that They were adopted by a guy by the name of Chikin Jo. And it's Chikin Jo is a guy who provides male prostitutes to male clients. And he has kidnapped the two boys and is trying to sell them, you know, make them, like, pimped them out essentially. David H's mom gets another tip from someone that they saw David H get into a Plymouth GTX once and maybe who was friends with the owner it looked like he knew the owner.
Starting point is 01:16:30 They even have the license plate so they gave it to David H's mom and she gives it to the police. If they looked into it she would have realized it's Dean Coral. So looking back in the memory if they had known if the police had known that this is Dean Coral's vehicle David H's mom would have had red flags go off because she distinctly remembers one point where she asked Dean if he could just kick David out. Like David H out of the candy factory because she just doesn't feel comfortable that he's always here and he said, oh, it's probably because, you know, his best friend is Mally and he works here and so does Mally's mom and he just probably wants to hang out with his best friend.
Starting point is 01:17:05 And she just thought it was weird. She just doesn't know how to explain it. Just thought it was a little weird. Now, David H's family, they spent all of their money, plus borrowed money, went into debt for a private investigator, and then eventually when that didn't pan out, they started to hiring psychics. So the first psychic told them that he was dead.
Starting point is 01:17:22 And they didn't believe that. They were like, we don't believe you at all. So they go to another one. And they said, ah, you know, we can't see your son, but we see Mali. And Mali is in jail. And I think David H is in Dallas with him. In jail.
Starting point is 01:17:36 Like, someone near jail, maybe he's not in jail, but he's there. He's in the vicinity. It's a jail in Dallas. So they drove all the way to Dallas. Couldn't find anything. And then another one said that David H is lying in a hospital with amnesia, facing a window towards the south with a pathetic look on his face. That's what they said. And I quote, and so they kept calling every single hospital that they could get their,
Starting point is 01:17:59 you know, hands on. Now what makes this even more sad is this was back in the day where you get charged for every call that you make. and it's not like a phone plan where you're like, oh I can make unlimited calls and text. So they were just really driving themselves more into debt. And then there was another one that was like, oh he's just roaming around in Bourbon Street and New Orleans. So they went all the way to New Orleans and they could not find their son David H. Anywhere. Then they get a tip that an ex convict, someone who just got released from jail, was bragging about how he knew where the boys were.
Starting point is 01:18:31 There was a reward for the boys at this time, and she's like, well, why wouldn't he tell me? So they all warn the parents, you know? The Helen guy is be careful. He is armed, he's dangerous, and he's upset at people like the felon. Yeah, the felon. And so the tiny little mom misses H, she walks to the door, knocks on it, says, do you know where my son is? And he invites her in. And she said he actually turned out to be nice, and he didn't really know anything, but after he got released from prison, everyone in the
Starting point is 01:19:02 neighborhood acted like he was just the most disgusting criminal alive. And they always assumed if something went missing, it was him, if something happened, it was him. And so he just set it out of anger and he feels really bad. Yeah, and so she was like, it's okay. So then Mrs. H left. And then there were all the prank calls
Starting point is 01:19:21 from other children. People from Oliver Houston would prank call this poor family after seeing their poster and say, hey, I want half the $1,000. And she would straight up ask, do you know what my son, David H, looks like? And they would say, not really. And then they would just hang up the phone. So the police find out that the family gets a PI involved. And they don't really like that.
Starting point is 01:19:41 So they do a deep dive into the PI, open an open investigation and find out that the private investigator that was working with the the family which by the way this private investigator he was such a nice person even when the family ran out of funds he would just keep going like he and Mr. H they would stay up for like 72 hours at a time just tricing down leads and even Mr. H was like hey like this isn't your son like you should just take a nap I'll drive, you know you just close your eyes and he'd say sure sure But he would just be eyes dead on the road like ready to search for David with him and the police is
Starting point is 01:20:14 Investigating him yeah found out that he had an expired license brought him to court and prosecuted him for driving without inix with a without a nice This is insane. Yeah, the Houston Police Department actually spent thousands of dollars prosecuting the private investigator whereas they spent no money looking into where David Hillengeister is. How does that even add up? Yeah, oh, it's good. I thought at first I thought like they're just bored.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Though they're just lazy. They don't want to do anything. But he's like, I'm gonna go after this guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. He said, I'm gonna go after him. For Oh yeah, yeah. He said I'm gonna go after him. For sure. He gets money out of this expired license, motherfucker, what a criminal.
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Starting point is 01:22:24 Now, in Trowin, the next assistant, Elmer Wayne Henley. Now he was one of these kids. He lived half a block away from David H. And he went to the Helen Geist house and he said, can I get some posters? I'd love to put them around Houston Heights for you guys. I think I have to stack up posters and started putting them up. He'd actually been friends with David Helen Geist since they were super young, like childhood friends.
Starting point is 01:22:49 And the way that people describe Elmer, okay, let me give you his little backstory, right? So who the heck is Elmer Wayne Henley? Well, he had an incredibly rough childhood. Like way worse than David Brooks, it's not a competition, but it was rough. Like his dad was an alcoholic and he would physically assault his wife and children all the time, you know? So his dad was a shit dad, and there is a neighborhood legend
Starting point is 01:23:11 that it's a legend because Elmer says it's true, by the way, side note. A lot of people, he goes by Wayne, because his name is Elmer Wayne Henley, but I think Wayne is too cool of a name. So we're gonna call him Elmer's Glut, we're gonna call him Elmer. Glut. We're gonna call him Elmer So Elmer The legend has it that he waited the dad waited outside for them to come home because they were late
Starting point is 01:23:31 So mom and Elmer are walking down and they get to the house They're walking down the driveway and he tried to shoot his wife in the head But missed him and barely missed Elmer his own son and he just went back into the house and was like all right Well fucking come on time next time and this was a very traumatic experience. Everyone that knew Elmer growing up they said that he was all either on drugs, alcohol, whatever, just like super pimply face. He tried really hard or at least it felt like he was trying really hard to like be a good person but it just wasn't working. Is the type of vibe people were getting like Like, it's weird because they said, it didn't seem like he was necessarily evil, evil,
Starting point is 01:24:07 from the get-go, it just, something was off about him. So when Elmer turns 14 years old, his parents get a divorce and the mom gets custody of all four sons. Now, she's like, how do I take care of all of these kids? Especially these sons. I mean, sons eat a lot, like these dudes, they be eaten, right?
Starting point is 01:24:21 And I put food on the table. This is really difficult. So Elmer, he decides, okay, I'm gonna stop going to high school and I'm gonna start making money. So he starts getting these odd jobs, they're not making a lot of money, he starts burglarizing homes and that's how he starts making money. And Elmer's mom surprisingly was pretty loving but also pretty strict. So any time kids would come over she would turn it into like a TSA checkpoint. So like the front door would be the TSA checkpoint, she would pat them down and make sure that they're not bringing any, quote, grass into their house like weed.
Starting point is 01:24:49 So I don't know how Elmer turned out like this. And Elmer would carry around his Bible all day. They said that you wouldn't see him without it for the, you know, first couple, like his early teenagers. Not while in high school, he had actually made some friends, David Brooks, being one of his really, really close friends. And at this point, David Brooks is already groomed. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:09 He's using high school, right? So above 15, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, David and Elmer had a good relationship. David had actually introduced Elmer to Dean multiple times. And Elmer thought Dean was like the coolest person ever. He was like, he's got this crazy work ethic. He is always like nicely dressed and like smart and clean cut. And anytime I ask him a question, he explains it to me. He doesn't treat me like I'm stupid or like I'm this little trouble maker, like a high school dropout. Like he just sits there and explains life to me. Like he's just, he's like experienced life.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Yeah, he's just a cool dude. Like I can see why David Brooks is like, you know, hanging out with him all the time. Side note, Elmer assumed that Dean was gay and he thought that David hung out with Dean a lot because he was, and I quote, hustling himself a queer. So Elmer is like, oh, my friend David is hanging around Dean so much to like get money out of him
Starting point is 01:26:00 because he knows that he's gay. So that was like the whole setup, right? Then actually, I'm done some crime together actually. So at one point, Dean says, hey, you ever heard about organized theft? We can go find a couple addresses and burglarize their homes. It'll be fun. So all three of them, you've got Dean, David, and Elmer.
Starting point is 01:26:20 This new trio, they went around burglarizing homes and Elmer made a small cut. And on one occasion, Elmer says that Dean asked him Are you willing to kill for money? And he was just like, yeah, I'm willing to do anything like I'm a bad bitch Like he just responded in like a very generic like I'm a tough kid. What are you talking about? I'm so tough. You don't even know tough. I'm tough And Dean was like, okay, sounds good. So anyways, this same Elmer that knows Dean and David Brooks,
Starting point is 01:26:46 he just, you know, goes to the house and is like, can I get some posters? It seemed like he genuinely went in with the intention because he cared, this is his childhood friend. So he's putting up these posters and he's like, man, there's been like, I feel like a lot of my friends have gone missing, like I don't know what's going on. People just always talk about boys going missing.
Starting point is 01:27:02 So he's putting up these posters, the family said that he was incredibly helpful, and he's putting up these posters the family said that he was Incredibly helpful and he's just doing his own thing now more go more boys go missing first We have Ruben Watson Hainley. This is now the 11th victim He was 17 years old. He was friends with David Brooks He's walking home from the movies and he was told that there was gonna be a crazy party at Dean's place Get in the car lose there like it's gonna be the funnest party ever So he gets into the car and he too was strangled, buried in the boat shed. Then we have two more victims. David helped Dean abduct two teenage boys. They were kept alive
Starting point is 01:27:35 for four days while they were tortured and their identity still remains unknown. And meanwhile the cops are like, they're all running away. Yeah, they're all running away. So Elmer officially becomes part of Dean's crew at this point Oops, so then one day David Brooks goes up to Elmer and says hey You should really come to Dean's place with me tonight. It's gonna be a fun time It's gonna be a crazy party now a lot of people suspect that Elmer was actually gonna be the next victim Yeah, that's what I was asking when they, wondering why didn't they do anything to him? Yeah, so this was like their chance. You know, they're like, come to this party.
Starting point is 01:28:09 They were following the same MO. We're going to be huffing pain. There's going to be alcohol. There's going to be weed. It's going to be such a good time, Elmer. We know you're going to enjoy yourself, right? And Elmer comes, but for some reason, Dean decided to not go through with it. He saw something in Elmer.
Starting point is 01:28:23 He was like, I feel like Elmer's kind of cool. I kind of like this guy. And he told them all about the kidnappings. He didn't tell them that he killed them. He told them, oh yeah, I've been kidnapping all these boys in Houston Heights because I'm operating a white slavery ring operating out of Dallas and California. So we get these little white boys and we sell them to Dallas, your California and there is, they're either sold into just like sex slavery, you know, the gay pornography being all of that jazz. Wait, so he told this to Elmer. Yeah, and David's like sitting there like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:57 But David knew damn well. Yeah, they're all dead. Yeah, okay. But he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then Dean's like, isn't that cool? And Elmer's like, oh, you, you kidnap my friends to like sell them to sex slavery? I mean, I guess that's pretty cool. He was like, totally fine with it. And he said, hey, you know what would make this even crazier? Why don't you work for us? I can give you $200, which is about $1,300 in today's money for every
Starting point is 01:29:21 boy that you can bring me so that I can sell them to the sex slavery ring. At first, Elmer claims that he was like, no, I don't want to do this. Like, what do you mean? Like, sex slavery, like, that sounds bad. That doesn't sound good. That can't be positive. And so for a couple of months, he didn't do anything.
Starting point is 01:29:38 He didn't really talk to Dean or his friend, David Brooks. And just they went about town that he constantly saw them hanging out together still. And then finally, he said he came under quote dire financial circumstances so I don't know what that means but he was just like I really need some money so he context in and David Brooks since is listen I want to do this like I need to do this what do I do so then we have Elmer's first job his first participation in the murder they get into the car together and they start driving around Houston Heights which what makes the story even crazier is Houston Heights is like two by three like mile area that they were kidnapping these boys from. So it's not even like this massive town
Starting point is 01:30:12 It wasn't like fucking Houston boys are going missing in Houston. It was like Houston Heights Three miles small little area inside of Houston. Wow. Yeah, and so they see a teenage boy They lure him into the car. They're like, we're gonna have weed at the house. Like it's gonna be crazy. And so the teenage boy being a teenage boy was like, Oh, that sounds fun. And you guys are teenagers. I mean, there's this old dude, but like you guys are teenagers. That's cool. He gets into the car. They go back to Deans and Elmer helps con the teen into putting on those handcuffs. The whole handcuff game, you know, he had learned about all of this. He's like, this
Starting point is 01:30:44 is fun. Just put on the handcuffs. I can teach you game, you know. He had learned about all of this, he's like, this is fun. Just put on the handcuffs, I can teach you how to get out of it. So the teen puts on the handcuffs, and then Elmer watched Dean jump on top of him, tie his feet together, put tape over his mouth, and then Elmer left. He just left, he was like, okay, well my job is done. And he claims 100%. He believes to this day that this first job, when he left that day, he thought that this guy was just being sold into a sex slavery ring no big deal
Starting point is 01:31:08 Just being sold just being human traffic, but no big deal I don't know how this is a defense. He got paid the $200 the next day So Elmer starts participating in all the killings So the trio are now like this little thing everyone Everyone sees them around Houston Heights, always driving around, and either the Plymouth GTX or like the Veya, or the Corvette, right? And they see a guy by the name of Frank. And Frank is 18 years old. He's actually a really, really good friend of Elmer's, and he works at a restaurant. He was on his way to work. He has a fiance. Oh my god. This becomes important later. The fiance comes into her twined into this entire story. This is one of those serial killings that's not random.
Starting point is 01:31:47 It's like everyone's connected. Yeah. And they have no problem taking their best friends. Yeah. I think it's insane. So Elmer is like, hey, why don't we pick you up after your night shift and we can come to Dean's place and we're gonna smoke weed and it's gonna be a fun time.
Starting point is 01:32:03 So Frank is like, okay, that sounds good. So they pick him up after and shift his over at the restaurant and they play the infamous handcuff game. They said, hey, let's see who can get out of the pair of handcuffs. Dean does it. It works. He passes that and the key. The Elmer, Elmer does it. It works. Then he passes it to David Brooks. It works. So they're like, hey Frank, you try it now and we can teach you. So he puts on the cuffs and Dean drags him into the bedroom, secures him to the torture board where he was tortured, raped and strangled. And all three of them take his body to bury it at a high island beach. Do the two boys do anything to the victims?
Starting point is 01:32:41 David Brooks only lures them and assists in the burial. Elmer will eventually do things. And this is when Elmer learns the truth. The victim has, Frank has just been strangled, tortured, raped, and now we're burying his body in Highland and beach. He's like, what do you mean? I thought, what are you doing?
Starting point is 01:32:59 Like, I thought we were going to sell them to sex slavery. Like, this is crossing the line. You know, human trafficking is fine. But I didn't sign up for murder. Like, this is crossing the line. You know, human trafficking is fine, but I didn't sign up for murder. Like, what is this? What is this? And he says, oh, this is just what I do.
Starting point is 01:33:12 Dean's like, what do you mean? This is what I do. You really thought I was selling them? You're so stupid. Also, the last one that you brought me? I killed him too. Oh, and your childhood friend, David Hillengeist? No, I didn't sell him, I killed him.
Starting point is 01:33:27 I buried him in my butt shed with his little friend, Mally Winkle. Wow. And his reaction was? Well we have his own quote. It says, a day or so later I found out that Dean had killed the boy. I found out that Dean screwed him in the ass before killing him. And he was just like, okay. And he moved on.
Starting point is 01:33:44 He just didn't really care. He was still continue to ass before killing him. And he was just like, okay, and he moved on. He just didn't really care. He's still continued to go on with that. The identity in the remains of the victims still have not been found of that first victim that he brought, the first teenage boy, that he thought was being sold to sex slavery. Then we have less than a month later, another victim. So the, like most serial killers,
Starting point is 01:34:01 but this time, so fast, the murders will just ramp up and there will be way, way less time in between. It's later said that they said if we brought Dean a boy every day like that would keep him content. It was really bad. So less than a month later another victim, Mark Scott, Elmer brings his good friend, good friend Mark Scott to a party at Dean's place. So that's great. Now this is really sad because Mrs. Scott, Mark Scott's mom, actually said that Elmer was like really nice. Like she really liked Elmer. One time they had a party at the Scott place and he was the last to leave and he just really enjoyed being around
Starting point is 01:34:37 people. He seemed nice and everyone thought they got along. So anyways 17 year old Mark Scott goes to Dean's place and he was forced to write a postcard to his family. So this is very similar to a lot of the other victims, but it says, how are you doing? I am in Austin for a couple of days. I found a good job. I'm making $3 an hour. Sorry for not telling you, but it was a good opportunity. And then like, I'll be back soon. Da, da, da, da. Now the parents, when they get the certain disbelief, they're like, what do you mean? Like, he didn't even take the one thing for years. He had been begging us for Mark Scott Had been begging us for a motorcycle. We got him a motorcycle now you're telling me he went to Austin for a job didn't take his beloved
Starting point is 01:35:13 Motorcycle that he just like polishes every day like sits on all day just like wants to ride all day like What do you mean now according to David Brooks what happened to Mark was, like, really bad. So while they were trying to tie up Mark's hands, he grabbed the knife, Mark's got the victim, grabbed the knife, and started stabbing at Dean, but it just did not go far. So it caught his shirt, barely broke any skin on Dean's chest, like just a small little, little, you know, scratch.
Starting point is 01:35:40 Now Dean starts wrestling with him, Elmer runs and gets a pistol from the other room. And it was like, Mark, you better stop. So he's pointing the pistol at his good friend Mark. And David Brooks said that Mark just gave up from there. And he was tied up to the torture board, tortured and raped. And this time he was strangled with a nylon cord by Elmer and Dean and buried at High Island Beach. So they start burying bodies at High Island Beach because the boat shed is like just packed. So then we have the next victims.
Starting point is 01:36:10 We have Billy Balch and Johnny DeLone. So Billy is 17 and Johnny is 16. Billy actually used to sell candy door to door for the candy store. So he's another employee of the Coral Candy Factory. Now, little Billy Balch really liked Dean. When he was young, he really, really loved Dean. I mean, he even told his parents about him. The shed that
Starting point is 01:36:30 Dean first lived in after his mom moved to Colorado was across the street from the Balch family. And he came home running one day and was like, oh my gosh, guys, you'll never guess what happened, mom? Dad, like, guess what? Dean, Dean moved across the street. And they're like, what? Wait, who is Dean again? And they're like, remember, are you still like, so candy, like I am so excited. Like, I can't believe he's living there. And Mrs. Balch was like, well, why are you so excited
Starting point is 01:36:54 that he's living there? Like, he's a full grown man. Like, what are you? You're 16. He's like, forget it in 30. Like, what are you doing? And he says, no, like, he loves having us around. Like, we watch the stereo, we watch TV.
Starting point is 01:37:04 We, you know, he shows us cool things. One time, he he showed us handcuffs and we play these little games with the handcuffs And the mom tells the dad now mr. Balch. He's an ex cowboy, so he doesn't fuck around He's listening to this and he's like that's weird. Nope. That's weird. That's not normal for an old man to be playing games with little boys with handcuffs Like that's weird. So they banned Billy and their little brother, Tony. So Billy has a little brother that loves Dean Quirl II. And they were like, boys, you are permanently banned from going to that shed. And they were super sad.
Starting point is 01:37:34 I wonder what he did when this was all found out, like it just kind of destroyed that little community. Because it's such a small community, no? We're gonna get into all of that too Because it goes so deep. There's so much into it wasn't even that community It's like the gay community to everyone just got destroyed by this one Well, I want to say one but these three evil people like everyone in Houston was destroyed by this I mean Houston itself was called like murder city
Starting point is 01:38:04 Because this at the time this became the number one like zero killer. I don't want to say zero killer but the worst case of a zero killer in US history. Yeah they were leaving Billy Walch's house to go buy sodas and they were lured into Dean Quarles' car because imagine it's like you know these people you know David Brooks you know Elmer you know Dean you used to work for Dean you love Dean. Dean has always been just so sweet to you. He always gives you free candy. He cares about you. Why would anything be weird about this? So they get into the car and David Brooks claims that around this time is when Elmer, the other associate, becomes sadistic. So while both Billion John were tied to Dean's bed, so both those little
Starting point is 01:38:40 boys that were kidnapped tied to Dean's bed, they were tortured, they were assaulted, and Elmer started strangling Billy Balch with his bare hands, and screamed, Hey Johnny, because Johnny was trying to look away, because, you know, his friend is getting strangled, and he shot Johnny in the head. Now Johnny was still alive. So Elmer goes over and starts manually strangling him. While little Johnny says, Wayne, please don't. So they too were buried at High Island Beach. Now 14 months later, they will actually abduct Tony Balch, which is Billy Balch's little brother. Oh my god.
Starting point is 01:39:17 Who is on his way to get a haircut? So the Balch family, I mean, they're freaking out. Billy Balch's family is full on freaking out. At this point, Tony has not been abducted, but Billy has been abducted, you know? And they're freaking out. Billy Balch's family is full on freaking out. At this point, Tony has not been abducted, but Billy has been abducted, you know? And they start freaking out. And of course, they actually thought of Dean. The Balch family thought of Dean Coral,
Starting point is 01:39:33 not because they thought Dean was nasty and like did something, but they thought that, oh, well, he hangs around kids. We think he's weird for sure, but we don't think he kidnapped our kids, but maybe those kids that he hangs around has any idea of what happened to our kids You know kids talk to kids. They don't talk to adults, but maybe they talk to Dean So they ask around all their neighbors and finally they're able to get Dean's phone number and they talk to Dean
Starting point is 01:39:54 And they said that he's sympathetic. He's polite He says I haven't seen Billy or his friend Johnny But I'll check around and I'll call you if I learn anything if they did run away Maybe I can find a way for them to contact you guys and let them know that they're okay. And the family was so grateful. Now, Tony botched the little brother. He was getting really stressed out from all of this
Starting point is 01:40:13 because his big brother just went missing. Also his parents are so stressed. I mean, they can't sleep at night. And also they're monitoring everything in Tony's life. They're like, you can't leave. Like, you can't do this. No, you can't play with your friends. Like, they're just being very protective, which I mean, how can
Starting point is 01:40:26 you not, right? And he made up a lie. He said, Oh, I've, I heard from a friend that, um, Billy and Johnny are now part of a crew on a shrimp boat, like on the coast of Texas. And there's nothing to worry about. And it's going to be okay. And they're going to come home after they make some money. And he was just saying that so that his parents wouldn't be so stressed out because he's a little boy. He's like, I just don't want you guys to be stressed out. Like he's fine. Now, there was no validity to these claims and it caused Johnny's family to go on a massive man hunt
Starting point is 01:40:57 on all of the coastal areas to track down their sun. They went and just talked to hundreds of fishermen and all of them were like, what? We don't really know what you're talking about. And then finally when they got back, Tony Balch admitted to his lies and he was like, I'm sorry, I just... Then there was one victim that was allowed to leave. So we've got Billy ride-in-ger, ride-ing-ger, redean-ger? Something like that, okay? So we've got Billy who was 19 years old and the trio lured him to Dean's house. He was tied to the torture board, he was tortured, he was assaulted, and for some reason David Brooks said that he persuaded Dean to release him and he was released.
Starting point is 01:41:37 A lot of people have a lot of speculations about this because the amount of people that were murdered, the amount of young boys that were murdered, is it possible that it was just the three of them or could there be more associates? Could Billy have said, I mean, this is all speculation, which I hate to do, especially because it's involving a victim, but I do want to point out, I did see a lot of people on Reddit that were saying, it's just really weird why they let them go. And did he go to the police? No, I'm sure, I mean, he's so scared. And these are people he sees around, right?
Starting point is 01:42:06 And like, also, the police, I think they have a track record of not doing anything. So the three become this just, the strangest killing machine. Like it becomes a whole ass operation. Now, as David, he starts kind of pulling away from the group. So David Brooks, the first associate,
Starting point is 01:42:22 he starts trying to like do his own thing. Like he's got a girlfriend. Like he's like, I don't really want to be a part of this, right? David? David Brooks, the first one. He has a girlfriend now? I think he's always had a girlfriend. But is David into guys? No, David's straight, remember?
Starting point is 01:42:36 So both David and Elmer are completely straight. So they would just bring these boys and then Dean would be the one thing. But I thought Dean and David had a sexual relationship. All grooming. David has never been into boys. Wow. Yeah. And he was also like 12, you know.
Starting point is 01:42:54 That's insane. So it's just assaults straight up. Yeah. Yeah, so David has always been straight. So he has a girlfriend during this time and he starts kind of pulling away from the group. He's just like, I don't really want to keep doing this. Like, it's just a lot. And as he's pulling away, I think they noticed because there was an incident where David had
Starting point is 01:43:13 entered Dean's apartment and Elmer was waiting behind the door. Elmer knocked him out, Dean tied him to his bed and they, well, Dean raped him repeatedly and then released him. Like a power move. And so David still continued to assist Dean with everything afterwards. All like you can't leave me. Yeah. Wow, okay.
Starting point is 01:43:34 Now, not only does David Brooks have a girlfriend, but Dean Coral has a girlfriend. And that's what we'll get into in part two. Dean's girlfriend, the rest of the murders, how they were caught, and just all of the craziness, because there's craziness afterwards. I can't even get into it. So this will be up on Saturday or Sunday as the mini-sode. So I hope you guys enjoyed part one of Dean Croll. I never do two partners, but this one was so intense. And I'll see you guys this weekend. Bye.
Starting point is 01:44:00 was so intense. And I'll see you guys this weekend. Bye!

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