Rotten Mango - #50: The Most Psychopathic Woman in Korea (Case Angela Simpson & Lady Eom)

Episode Date: March 25, 2021

The press claimed she had a “perfect score” on the Psychopath Test - making her the most psychopathic woman in South Korea.  Why did all her loved ones go blind? Why did all her husbands end up dead? And why did she try to burn down an entire hospital? How much is too much coincidence? Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh, that was so good! You know, I always wondered what it would be like to be talking to someone that is so talented with the YouTube. Yeah. Butterbeam Butterboom, but I'm boom, bitch. Welcome to this, except episode. You know, I need a stopwatching TikTok. I need a stopletting TikTok influence the cases

that I get obsessed with because here's what's going on. I saw a couple people on TikTok, which isn't app if you guys don't have it downloaded. I was the same as you. I was sitting there like, I'm so cool for this. Like, I don't need TikTok. TikTok needs me. But now I can't live without it.

Okay. So there were a lot of people, what they do is they do voiceover. So you upload this sound and you kind of, you know, do a voiceover. You move your lips, but it's still the original sound. So it just looks like you're saying it and people love to lip sync songs on it. It's like a cool app, right? It's lip sync, not very so. Yeah. Like lip sync. And they started. I saw a couple people. I don't know if this is a big trend, but I saw a couple of people on my fur you page who were lip syncing to an interview moment. And I was like, oh my god, the interview goes something like this. I took him to my house, I walked him down the street,

I don't know why the media acts like the motherfucker couldn't walk, he walked very well. I walked him upstairs, kicked his ass and killed him. And that is the real interview of an actual killer. Angela Simpson. It's gonna get really crazy. Like, she straight up has some of the craziest interviews that I've ever seen in my entire freaking life. I mean, there's something oddly just strange about her. I mean, I've watched all of like the serial killer interviews that we have. Like, I've seen all of those, but Angela Simpson is just an oddball.

Because you have questions. I mean, for certain serial killers, I feel like they're putting on a show. They're playing into a part, you know, they're doing the absolute most other serial killers. It's like they don't give a fork. They just actually seem that psychopathic with Angela. I have no idea. I'm just all over the board with her. Like one day I'll wake up and be like, this bitch was putting on a character for everyone. And Like one day I'll wake up and be like, this bitch was putting on a character for everyone. And then another day I'll wake up and be like, nope, she could have totally become the next female serial killer

if they didn't catch her in time. It's just the most confusing thing. So she killed someone for whatever reason that she did that we'll get into. And they asked, what if you were wrong? What if this person wasn't this evil person that you thought he was? And she straight up says, oops, if he wasn't this evil person that you thought he was and she straight up says,

oops, if he wasn't. And I, oops, she said and I, oops. I mean, we're going to get into her iconic interview moments. Some of them get real crazy like someone's like, hey, you know, it's crazy that women don't commit crimes, this heinous, this is usually the domain of men. And she says, that's unfortunate equal opportunity definitely so um let's get started it all starts August 5th 2009 in Phoenix Arizona so the police get a call at around five in the morning from the local church and they say hey we've got like this dumpster

can that's just on fire in the parking lot like I don't know what happened I didn't sit around fire I don't know who. I don't know if someone put something here, sit around fire, and then drove away. But anyways, can you please send the fire department? So the fire department arrives at the scene. They start putting out the fire like they do. And then all of a sudden, they realize, wait a minute, this is not some prank.

Like, we were expecting some teenagers who came like, hee-hee-ha, dumpster fire at the church, right? But, um, no, they start smelling some things. They're like, we know this smell. This is not the smell that we want to be smelling right now. These are the smells of a literal charred remains of human. Like this is not, does not a dumpster fire. So they call the police, the police arrive at the scene and they two are like, yes indeed.

There is a body inside of this barrel and that he has been lit on fire. Inside of a barrel. Like a trash can barrel thing. And so they take the body out. They, the only really thing that they can get from this is that this is a body of a male. They think that this male is Caucasian, but nothing else.

I mean, he was really, really badly charred at this point. He was obviously deceased. He had an electrical cord around his neck that was still evident in all of this, right? His body was partially dismembered. So his legs were missing. And immediately the police were like, this is a gruesome murder scene. Like this, someone just got brutally murdered. We need to figure this out, especially because it happened in the back of like a church parking lot. Now, obviously they don't think that the murder itself happened there. There wasn't like a shit ton of blood or anything

But the fact that the body was left at a church the community is gonna get riled up They're gonna be panic to they're gonna be wanting answers So they start trying to identify him all of his teeth were gone It looked like someone had um just like pulled out his teeth It wasn't it wasn't any good dental work. It didn't look like he naturally lost his teeth a old age It looked like someone went in there and just yanked his teeth out. A lot of his fingerprints were burnt from being sat on fire. So it's kind of confusing. I tried to look into it because I do know that when someone

their remains get sat on fire that your fingerprints do burn off. But in this situation for some reason, I have a feeling that maybe it was they like, know try to burn it off before so they were able to actually fragment together like one fingerprint I don't know how they do this I don't know how they were able to pull off like a full fingerprint it didn't look super easy where it's just like oh out of the 10 there was like this one that wasn't burned like they did some work there they did some forensics works now finally it comes down to a man by the name of Terry Neely, who is 46 years old. Now the autopsy on Terry Neely is kind of what gets the police even more alarmed.

If they weren't already alarmed at the fact that someone was lit on fire in the charged parking lot, like they were freaking alarmed at this point, because it was an incredibly gruesome murder. So most of the wounds that Terry had on his body, they were inflicted when he was still alive. So he had multiple blunt force trauma wounds to the head. He actually had a three inch nail stuck inside of his head and his skull and it actually penetrated into his brain. Just stuck there. So in between his eyebrows, someone had hammered in a three inch nail and this was while he was alive. hammered in a three inch nail and this was while he was alive.

Yeah, he had like a three inch nail in his skull, in his brain. He had over 50 plus stab wounds and these, most of these were inflicted while he was alive. None of these stab wounds were fatal by itself. And they also know that a ton of these wounds were in the process of healing. So it seemed like someone had tortured him for days. Like it looked like someone had tortured him on day one

and then day one Woon started healing day two more wounds were inflicted and chronologically it just seemed like it was a very very torturous evil evil death now remember as teeth Yeah, just messily pulled out that's what the autopsy showed It looked like someone had just yanked them out It did not look like clean dental work It didn't look like they had fallen out of old age. His throat had been slit but not to the point of killing him. So it, I mean, this again indicates that he was alive and all of this happened. And his official cause of death

was strangulation by that electrical cord. Now, who is this man? And why would someone want to kill him like this? I mean, you're talking about such a passionate crime. This isn't the type of crime that someone's like, oh, you stepped on my foot I'm gonna kill you like, no, nobody does that like this person must have some of the scariest enemies out there, right? The only thing that the police immediately could find out is that he is actually a disabled man He's a paraplegic. He usually runs around town in like a motorized wheelchair Now, I saw some sources say that he could walk, but it was incredibly painful for him to do it. I saw some other sources that said he could walk,

but it just like wasn't good for his health, so he didn't walk, right? He just like preferred to use the motorized wheelchair, which everything's completely fine about it. There's not really a debate. He lived in a care facility in Phoenix, Arizona, and so the police are like, we gotta go there. We gotta ask them so many freaking questions, what the forks going on. So they go to the care facility. And I mean, I don't know how assisted living homes work and I don't know what type of, maybe different people have different statuses.

Like maybe some people are like, okay, like you really need to be assisted during your living situation. So like we're gonna be watching you 24-7. I don't know what it's like, but nobody called the police Because they said that he had been missing for like three days So there was no report that Terry nearly had left the assisted living home So I don't know the structure of it if you can just walk in and out of this place, right?

You know sometimes as long as the payments up to date. Oh my god. Yeah, so dark But it's so true these places they do not care some of them some of them I'm not saying all of them, but some of them they just do not care So they go and they get all this information now the one thing that they could rule out is none of the facility People are involved none of the staff none of the nurses none of the other, you know patients if you call them right We're involved because they were all at the care facility They all had alibis and none of them really knew Terry like that. They all said he's kind of like this private person.

He's, we haven't really, you know, we never talked about his family, we never talked about anything. He just kind of was here. I mean, he was nice, but I didn't really get to talk to him. Nobody really knew much about Terry. So they start looking at all of the CCTV at this assisted care center and they see at August 2nd,

8 p.m. he leaves. Now they couldn't see which direction they couldn't see if someone was waiting for him across the street. They just know that he left in his wheelchair and never came back and he ended up being burnt in the church parking lot. So the police start looking for more clues and the main one is they really wanted to find that wheelchair because it wasn't in the church parking lot. So they're like, oh, I mean, this is going to tell us where he is. Now, while they're doing that, crime must go on. Crime doesn't stop because the community stops.

You know, the community is in mourning. They're in grief. And all of these people are scared. They're nervous. What's going on in Arizona, right? But criminals still got to be doing what criminals do. So Angela Simpson, who's 36 years old at the time and her good friend Edward McFarlane, they get arrested for armed robbery. Now Edward has just to kind of tell you what kind of person this guy is.

Both of them got arrested. Yeah, for armed robbery. He calls himself like the, I don't know if this is even a slur, but he calls himself C-R-A-C-K-E-R. Like, that's his nickname. That's what everyone knows him by. And in a lot of, you know, sources, you'll see he's referenced as his nickname instead of Edward McFarland. But I'm just going to call him Edward. All right, so they get arrested. And the police, they're trying to deal with this arm-drawberry situation. They're trying to deal with who the hell killed Terry.

And all of a sudden, they start getting tips. And they say, hey, you know, Angela? Well, there's this woman named Angela, and she was actually really good friends with that Terry dude. I saw them together multiple times. I saw them hang out together. Maybe she's a good lead.

I don't know that he has any friends or family, but, you know, I do know that around town, he's seen with this woman named Angela. And so they're like, oh, this is amazing. Like, we literally already have her in custody. So we're just gonna ask her about it. Now, when they sit down with her, she just spills the beans.

She doesn't even, and I think this is why maybe this isn't the most talked about case, or like one of the most infamous cases, even though the interviews are just so mind-boggling, it's because it's so hard to find information on their childhoods. I couldn't really find much about Terry Neely, like barely anything

which is kind of shocking. I feel like people know her interview tapes, but it didn't it doesn't seem like a situation where you know people were interviewed a lot of family members came forward and like the whole picture wasn't put together I don't even think really the police looked into it that hard after they got a verdict. So I mean it's just weird. What we do know is that Angela and Terry were somewhat friends. So Angela, she was a sex worker. She was also addicted to drugs, and she just wasn't in the best part of her life at that moment. It seems like they met because he was a client of hers.

And he lived like maybe a block away from where she was working. So it just kind of happened, right? Now, slowly, they start becoming friends, according to Angela. They start, you know, they have a couple things in common, they both spent some time in prison. They both had some criminal records, it seemed like Terry was trying to give up that crime life, you know, and Angela, she was still actively going around committing burglaries and armed robberies and all of that to kind of fuel her drug addiction, and Terry just seemed to kind of like Angela.

He thought, this is a good friend I could have. Now one day I don't know if this was after After sex. I don't know if this was just in the middle of like dinner or lunch I really don't know if they were even that close because Angela is she's very vague about everything And she claims that they were sitting there one day and he said, you know, I could tell you something I could tell you that you I could tell you that, you know, how cops do raids around here and they just like bust through the door and they try to arrest people, I can warn you before they raid this place. And she's like, and how

would you do that? And he's like, well, I have some connections, I have some connections with law enforcement. Yeah, you know, a lot of people in prison, they're in prison because of me. Oh yeah, I was in informant for a lot of cases, big cases. And he started in the lit naming, like these big dealers in the area, like these big criminals in the area. Now, Angela did not have a friendship with these massive criminals. Not like they were part of the same like organized crime syndicate, like it wasn't anything like that. But she just was really pissed off about this. But she didn't show it.

She still continued to see him as a client. She still took his money. She still did her services. But she would slowly get more and more pissed because she believed that he was snitching to the police. Not even about her. She didn't even care if he snitched about her. But just in general. That he's just a police snitch. Now, Angela's entire code for life. She thinks this is her entire statement. Snitches and child molesters need to die. Listen, child molesters, I feel you Angela,

I get where the emotions are for coming from, right? Snitches? I'm like this is the, I wouldn't necessarily put them on the same level in my book. Like if I saw a pedophile and then I saw a snitch and someone was like, you can only punch one person in this room today and get away with it, I'm not gonna have a hard time debating. Like I'm gonna punch the child abuser. So she was like, those two,

these two groups of people, they actually need to die. And she felt like the state wasn't giving them death penalties, so she was gonna do it. That was like her entire thing. She wanted to be a vigilante justice. Actually, at one point in her life, she did try to break into sex offender's homes, and she robbed them. She didn't kill them, but she robbed them of things.

So at this point, I mean, you're like kind of rooting for her, I guess, but like not really at all. So the police are sitting there, and she just spilt this entire story. So they're like, wait, what? Like you just, you just told us all of this for what reason. I mean, we had you in prison for armed robbery. You would have gotten out. And now you're just confessing to this entire murder.

And she was like, yeah, well, that's what I did. So she said that I killed him. Yeah because he's a snitch and we're gonna get into that actual torture right. So it's just like okay I mean this is really weird. I mean the police they were not expecting this because- Is he actually working for police though? No he- So made it up?

I think it was one of those moments where he really wanted to impress Angela. Yeah. And say like I got you I have connections You know how sometimes maybe you want to do that when you're Oh my god, so he I mean almost the police are lying which I doubt you know in this situation in this particular Situation I highly doubt that they're lying but they said that he was not listed as law enforcement Informant anywhere in their books. So that is so bizarre. Yeah, so bizarre. So I think it definitely was like a moment of like, hey, I'm so cool.

I know. And I think that makes this even more sad. So she was very straightforward. The police were not expecting this. They actually were expecting her to get lawyers involved for her to not talk, for her to be very evasive. When they sat down with her, she immediately demanded candy and soda.

And so they were like, oh god, she's got demands. They got her candy and soda. And then she just spilled the beans on everything. She just went off on them. So they're like, okay, let's dig deeper into our past. And we need to get some evidence. We need to find the wheelchair still. We need to find out where this murder took place.

Because I mean, I don't really know. Like, I don't know how they could have trusted something like that she seemed weird is how everyone describes it she just seemed not normal some people describe it as erratic some people describe it as um too calm but either way it's like giving me very creepy vibes like I wouldn't trust it immediately either so once they find out about Angela's childhood I I mean her entire life, she was in and out of mental institutions and then later on as an adult, she was in and out of prison her entire life. She was living in a situation where she would, you know, commit a robbery, she would go to jail, get out, and she has no work, she has no stability, she has this drug addiction and the only way she

knows how to get money is to commit more robberies. And so it was just back-to-back prison time. She never really had like a normal life. Like I couldn't find anywhere that she was employed anywhere, that she, you know, tried to settle down or got into like a serious relationship. It genuinely seemed like she was addicted to drugs, you know, committing a bunch of crimes. And she did have four children, but they weren't in her care at this time. So I don't know if they were in foster care. There are some sources that say that the kids were with Angela's mom right?

But I don't know so they just were not with Angela. But everyone around Angela said she's relatively nice. I mean she's kind of cool. She definitely doesn't give off serial killer vibes. Like she seems like a normal-ass person. She seems like someone who has just had it hard in life. She doesn't seem creepy. So they start searching for a lot of different places

to try to find this wheelchair, try to find out where the murder took place, and someone actually called in a tip to the police and said, hey, I found a motorized wheelchair like outside of our apartment complex. You should probably come look at it. So they came, and this was the same exact apartment complex where Angela Simpson had a unit. So they're and this was the same exact department complex where Angela Simpson

had a unit so they're like, all right, this literally looks like Terry's wheelchair and now let's check out her unit. Now this particular unit in question was freaking weird. If I walked into this unit, I'd be terrified because the carpet, there were just big blotches of carpet that were just removed. Why are you removing carpet? Unless there's blood on the carpet. You can spill wine, you can, you're dog can pee on your carpet, but you're not just pulling up your apartment units carpet, unless something real crazy happened there.

There was blood stains on some of the walls, some of the remaining carpet that hadn't been pulled up yet. They had a bottle bleach on the counter. Very little furniture. And a full floor length mirror. This floor length mirror is going to give you nightmares later. I mean, this is... Okay, it's going to get sad later. I'm not going to like bring it down right now. Okay. This entire place seems like a hideout. It seems like, okay, maybe she was using this as a getaway place if something went down, she would come here and hide from the police. Or maybe she was using it for sex work.

I mean, it just didn't seem like anyone was living there for the lack of furniture, the lack of, you know, clothes inside the house. Maybe she even rented this apartment unit just to kill someone or just to commit some crimes. Like, they don't really know at this point. Now, Angela starts telling the police about the actual torture because now they have all of this evidence. They're like, we found blood. It matched Terry's blood by the way. They did the testing. It matched Terry. Why is Terry's blood in your unit? I mean, tell us everything that happened.

And she claimed the actual torture goes like this. That she told Terry that she can give him free drugs and free sex in her apartment. And he was like, well, yeah, I'm kind of down, right? So he starts following her across the street. And once they get inside, I mean, the whole time across the street, she's nice to him. They're just talking, they're giggling, they're laughing. And immediately when they're alone, she starts beating him on the head with a tire iron. Are they in the apartment? In the apartment.

She locks that apartment door and she just like flips a switch. She's a completely new person. She starts beating him on the head with a tire iron and she said she did everything with precision. She didn't want him to die. She wanted him to be awake and conscious feeling every single bit of pain. So for the next three whole days, she started torturing him. Now that full length mirror, she placed his wheelchair right in front of the mirror and forced him to watch every single active torture because and I quote he needed to see what he deserved. All because he claimed to be a police informant, all because he claimed to be a snitch.

She said that he needed to see what he deserved. So I don't really know. Do you also think like because you say in jail snitches are very Yeah, they like look down upon right maybe she's been in that environment for so long Oh, maybe right you say in jail snitches and pedophiles are at the bottom of the Barrel maybe that's why she's like so brainwashed That sense because I was having such a hard time with this one. I was like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Exactly, like the torture thing, right? That's so odd. Maybe she heard, she has some back experience in jail. Has some, I don't know. I mean, I can see it because even when I watch something like prison break and I see a snitch, suddenly, I get real riled up. I'm like, what's wrong with this person?

This person is disgusting. And I sit there and I'm like, oh God, I feel real riled up. I'm like, what's wrong with this person? This person is disgusting. And I sit there and I'm like, oh God, I feel icky, right? So maybe living in that environment for that long, she just genuinely feels like snitches deserve to die, which is a very, very strong statement. So I don't know the law or the chronological order in the torture that takes place, but we do know that she drove a ham or nail into his head in between his eyebrows, stabbed him about 50 times, a little over 50 times. She pulled out each one of his teeth while making him watch the process with pliers. She later claimed in an interview that this was her favorite part of the torture.

And then she would get tired, she would lay down, take a nap, and then she would start all over again. So for three days, he went without water, without food, he was sitting there soiling himself in the wheelchair. He can't flee. I mean, he does have a disability, even someone who was fully able-bodied, like I wouldn't expect them to come up with this crazy iron man, you know, strengthened up to flee. This is insane. Eventually he became so weak and she got super pissed. She was like, there's no reaction. There's no, you're not even crying and screaming anymore. Like this is, this is boring. So she killed him. She strangled him with an electrical cord and then she grabbed a knife and she started trying to dismember him. Now, once she starts dismembering

him, her entire goal initially going into this was to completely dismember him, but it proved to be super difficult, like it usually does to most killers who think that they're so bad and tough. So she resorted to doing half of the job so she cut off his legs. So she starts dismembering him,

she asks her borrow a friend's car. Now, it seems like this friend was probably either Edward McFarlane's car or a car that he had borrowed from another friend, right? So it seems like her probably either Edward McFarlane's car or a car that he had borrowed from another friend right so it seems like her connection was Edward McFarlane she was like hey can I borrow a car? Places Terry into the car with the help of Edward McFarlane and then drives to the church sets the body on fire and they just drove away so I mean I just don't know why they chose a church like this is not a back of the alley church. Like, this is a really big church

that's known in the community and it's kind of an open, and so I did the Google Maps. You did. Yeah, and it's not like in the middle of nowhere. Like, it's not in this dark, or you got to drive down this long dark, you know, driveway to get to the church. It's just kind of like a church that's there.

Yeah. I think it was- They lit it on fire. Yeah. They want people to see it. Yeah, which is weird to me. a church that's there. I think they lit it on fire. So they want people to see it. Yeah, which is weird to me. Yeah, that's odd. All of this is so odd. I feel like honestly, she might have gotten away with it for a little bit longer if maybe she even did it.

In the back of like, I don't know. Just anywhere in the city. I've never been a church. Now, an apartment manager of this apartment complex actually checked in on the unit because a lot of people have reported seeing smoke Coming from that unit for like multiple hours Maybe even like about a day like the day before it was just all sorts of strange now Some sources say that Angela confides in the apartment manager and says oh, yeah, that smoke

It's because I killed someone and I burnt their body and I just got rid of it at the local church But like if you tell anyone, you're next. Now other sources say that Edward McFarlane out of nowhere went to the apartment manager and just started bragging about it and then at the end threatened to kill the apartment manager. Now in most situations I would say that this second thing about Edward going up to the apartment manager sounds like a whole bunch of crap, like a whole bunch of what the forks, but he looks like the type of person that would do that. I believe he has the seaworth tattooed on his neck, like he's just like that type of dude. What's the seaworth? The CRA CKER. I don't know if that's a slur. I just don't want to offend anyone, right? But like he had that tattooed on his neck. So like you can kind of tell that this

is the type of person he is. He most definitely could have gotten up to the apartment manager and said, hey, guess what I did this week. So there were just many, many people who came forward later and said, yeah, we always thought something suspicious was going on like the past couple of days. Now the police, they've got a slam dunk case. I mean, she's already confessed to it. I mean, people have seen weird things happening. The blood is in her apartment. The wheelchair is near the apartment building. I mean, it's all done. Okay, so some of you guys might know this and some of you might not, but I do some YouTube videos

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So we have a couple of theories. The first theory being that she's a serial killer. This can't be the first time that she did it. I mean, she's into the torture. This is not her just getting revenge. This doesn't seem like some sort of street crime It doesn't seem like oh, it just gets stitches. She seems like she's loving the torture Yeah, she's inflicting on people. So maybe this is her fourth murder. Maybe it's her fifth I mean the fact that she's so callous the fact that she's just so bluntly saying these things Maybe she even confessed to the police so that they wouldn't investigate further in her life. And thought, you know what, maybe this is better.

So that's a theory. I don't necessarily believe this theory that strongly. I think that I have, for some reason, I feel like this was her first murder. We'll get into it later. But the next speculation or theory is that there was race involved. So Angela Simpson is a black woman and Tyler or Terry, nearly, is a white man. Now, when she's asked about it, she says race is always a component. And there have been some talks that maybe he had been racist towards her. Maybe he had called her racial slurs

on different occasions. I don't know again if that's like, I don't know if she's the type of person that would kill over that. Like, none this makes sense I and none of it makes sense of Killing someone because they're a snitch killing someone because they called you a racial slur, right? I'm not condoning it, but like I just don't think you can kill someone over that So there's another speculation that maybe he had said something to her about her children and she snapped But again, what doesn't make sense to me is that if any of these, if he did call her a racial sur, if he did say some really, really messed up stuff about her kids, she would just kill him,

like torture him from three days. I mean, the smell of him soiling himself, the cries of him crying out in pain, that's not something a normal person would want to spend three days around. So Arizona actually tried to seek the death penalty on her. She was indicted for her first degree murder and a bunch of other counts of like kidnapping, concealment of a dead body, et cetera, et cetera, and she decided to just plead guilty. It seemed like she was never scared of the death penalty. She was like, I'm a plead guilty. Give me the death sentence

if you want. Ha ha. Like, what? Those pretty much it. Like, she just did not care if they gave her the death penalty. And so at sentencing, Angela said, I wish I could have kept him alive and tortured him for at least another week. Wait, what? Yeah. So I don't know if the judge was on to this because the judge sentenced her to the rest of her natural life in prison plus 14 years. So yeah, the 14 years I think is for all the other charges, but she's gonna get life in prison.

No parole. She's gonna die in prison of whatever she dies of. And a lot of people think that she wanted the death penalty because, I mean, Arizona at the time, they weren't really like executing people. So she would have been sat on death penalty for maybe forever. Maybe she would have never been executed by the state. Maybe she would have died on death row. And death row inmates are actually separated from general population. And they're treated better.

They have much more security. They're separated. They don't have to go through all of the craziness of general population of like all of these movies where they're fighting and like you're getting Shived in the yard. Are you serious? So people think maybe that's why she wanted it. I mean she's still probably gonna just die in prison It's just you die in prison in a condition or be condition, right? And she was like death row seems like a nicer condition and Most likely she wouldn't actually be executed by the state.

Now, I don't know if the judge was on to her because they were like, you're not getting the death penalty, even though the prosecutors really, really wanted her to have the death penalty. So she gets the rest of her natural life in prison plus 14 years. And this is what she said about it. She said, you know, I have a lot of family in prison, and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that because I've got many sisters in prison. I can't wait to see them. It's really not that much of a punishment to be sentenced to spend the rest of my life with

my family. I prefer to spend the rest of my life with my sisters, but I do believe the death penalty would have been justice. And she talks in like such a monotone way. A lot of people think that she talks like a serial killer I think she kind of talks like a politician So she is she's very collected. She's put together and she does this thing and the minute that I do it You're gonna be like that's a politician thing to do Someone will be talking to her and she'll nod and she'll say right right

Right and I'm like fucking politician, dude. I mean, that's just how I see politicians are like, right, right. And then she'll pause. And then she'll quietly answer the question. And then pause some more. I mean, it just jet. It feels like she's kind of put together. Yeah, she really put together and like almost polished psychopath.

If I can say that, I don't want it to seem like I'm like saying she's polished or smart, but it's weird. Creepy. Yeah, like she doesn't have scattered thoughts at all. And they're asking her insane questions and she's very calm under pressure. She's like, right, right. Well, I said what I said. Like that's her vibe the whole time.

So the first interview after her arrest, she claimed that she did this because she didn't want her children to live in a world where there are snitches. She was like, I just don't want them to live in a world where their snitches listen. There's so many worse people in the world. And she claimed that he told on a righteous person years ago, they asked, did you pull out his teeth? Yes. Was he watching in the mirror? Yes. Why did you do that? Because I wanted him to see what he deserves. So she talks about how she's been on medication that she kind of implies that something's wrong with her that she's mentally ill.

And when they ask, like, is something wrong with you? She just kind of laughs in a very politician way, like, haha. And she says, something's wrong with the world we live in. According to other people, yes, something is wrong with me. And they even ask her, like, do you feel guilty about, you know, how the families of the victim is going to feel? And she said, they shouldn't have bread, what they bread. Now, that interview is very interesting and fascinating on its own. I mean, these are all very, very short interviews, but I highly recommend giving them the watch if you have time, but the second interview,

this is where things get weird, and this is where, if you didn't already have so many questions, you're gonna have even more questions. So, after the sentencing, she has this jailhouse interview and she's sitting there, and they ask her, like, are you remorseful for what you did? Like, do you feel guilty? And she says, why would I be remorseful? He told me he was a snitch on multiple different occasions, but that really doesn't matter. Phoenix

wanted to kill me. What's the difference? Everybody has a reason to kill. So Phoenix was seeking the death penalty on her. So she's saying, the state of Phoenix wanted to kill me and I killed him. What's what's it matter? What's the difference? Everyone wants to kill someone. And she says, yeah, she says literally Phoenix wanted to kill me. What's the difference? Everyone has a reason to kill. My reason might not be good to you,

but your reason wasn't good to me. And this is where she explains that they walked her a house and she said, I don't know why the media acts like that motherfucker couldn't walk, but he could walk really well. That's what she says. And you know, they're like, well, a ton of people name drop. They talk a big game.

I know a lot of people that lie about having connections with law enforcement. It's just kind of like to puff themselves up and she straight up interrupts. The interviewer says, do you happen to have a list of those people? And they're just like laughing, like, no, no, no. But like, do you really think he was a snitch?

And she pauses and she says, well, oops, if he wasn't, she says, oops, if he wasn't, what? Like a freaking, a fork out, dude. She straight up goes, oops Oops if he wasn't! Wow, she's like, has no fear, no... What is it? She has no other feelings. Right, and so they also ask her like, okay, would you ever do this again?

And she actually claims that she had another victim in mind. His name is Joseph, she actually listed the full name in the interview and all's like, jeez Louise! But I'm just gonna call him Joseph. So she claimed it had something to do with an armed robbery. I don't know if they robbed someone together and maybe he snitched on her. I don't know if he robbed her, but for whatever reason it had something to do with an armed robbery and she said and I quote, I should have killed him, but I just didn't have the time I had somewhere to go. And they asked, will you kill again?

If the opportunity arises, I hope so. Now, they cut the interview, but the cameras remain rolling. So, you know, it's like they're like, okay, like that's good. That's good. That's with the interview. And she goes, good shit, dude. That's gonna be crazy, isn't it? That's gonna be wicked. Make it look good, please. And she gets up. This is rich, be wicked, make it look good please. And she gets such, like her, her, her mannerism. And the camera zooms in on her

and she sees the camera still recording and now it's like moving with her because she had gotten up from her seat and she says, what you're gonna put this on to? No, don't put the ending in, thank you. And then she like leaves. And they were like, put that in right now. Yeah, because it's so weird.

There's so many speculations now about just that interview. So now we have all these speculations and theories about, why did she commit this murder? Is she really that crazy and psychopathic that she's like, okay, I hate using the C word, but you get it. I mean, it's kind of crazy to kill someone because they're acclaimed to snitch.

Especially if they didn't even snitch on you if you have no repercussions to their snitching. Like, it just all sounds weird. And so beyond that, beyond why she killed, it's kind of like what would happen in the interview. Some people think maybe she wanted a book deal, maybe she wanted a documentary, maybe she wanted infamy to make money off of it.

Well, why would you need money? Money is currency in prison. Like, money is still important in prison, but not only that, she has four kids, and maybe she wanted to support them because she's gonna be spending the rest of her life in jail. I'm not really sure, but that's kind of one of the theories. The second theory is that her personality is just kind of bizarre

and she just likes to fuck around. A lot of people kind of are on with this theory, especially a creator of a big show. Do you know the show Killing Eve? That we're going to watch with Sandra. Oh, I love her. I mean, I love both of the actresses, but the entire show was actually based off of Angela Simpson. Like, she was inspired by Angela Simpson for her main character, Villanelle, who is the girl who's, she's like a hit woman. And she's killing Eve. Is inspired by this case. Well, not this entire case.

So the storyline has absolutely nothing to do with Terry or this murder, but they watch the interviews of Angela Simpson and they started kind of, they got inspired for their main character by Angela Simpson. And the reason that they got inspired was because when she's talking about the actual killing, she's incredibly psychopathic. She's just sitting there cold-hearted.

She doesn't give a fork. She's like the judge, the jury, and the executioner. Like, what is this? Like, how does someone behave like this? And then immediately after, you kind of see like this bubbly giggly-ness. She's like, oh my god, like, make it look good, please. Like, that's crazy.

That was good, right? Like, it's so awesome. And this makes it even more chilling. Yeah, because that's crazy, that was good right? Like it's so odd. And this makes it even more chilling. Yeah, because it's like, yes you could say maybe she was faking the interview, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that she's literally a cold-hearted killer. Yeah. So what? Like what is the point of any of this?

Why did she leave the body so apparently in a church parking lot? Why did she murder him just for being a snitch? What was the real reason that he was murdered? Why was he disposed of like that? Why did she just immediately confess? What are what's with these interviews? I mean, I just don't understand. Yeah, and nobody knows. Nobody knows. Except her. Yeah. I find this one incredibly unsatisfying, but it was highly requested to tell me what are your thoughts on this one, because I just can't put it together in my head. I do feel like she's evil. I don't think she was a serial killer, but I think maybe she could have been a serial killer

in the making, and she was caught. Or maybe she's just so sadistic she wants people to be so scared. She likes to just instill a lot of fear in people. She wanted Terry to feel scared for three days. And then now she wants the world to feel scared. Because like, what? Are there people like this that exist? This is crazy. Lock your doors.

Hide your wife, hide your kids. I feel like I believe her reasoning of a stitch. Snitch. Snitch. He said, stitches get snitches. Yeah, I believe that reason. You do? I do, because it's such an odd reason.

It's not too far off, but it's also not common. And with her background, like we said, that she's been in jail for so many times, I think, I can believe that. Now, I also feel like maybe she just doesn't care about going to jail. Maybe she's been in jail for so often now. That she has friends. She feels comfortable in jail. So she's okay with going to jail,

so she's okay with confessing. And maybe with this case, that she knows that she will be treated well in jail. Because. Oh, everyone must be terrified. Yeah. No, prison there hates stitches. Oh, snitches.

Snitches, I'm sorry'm sorry oh that makes sense so she will be treated well in jail right and the reason why she's telling her the whole story like that is that she probably wants people to talk about her and then pain her her into this crazy scary cycle crazy killer and then she gets more streetcrets in jail, maybe. Yeah, because she's gonna spend the rest of her life there. Right. Maybe she's whole involvement is in... We're looking at it from normal society. Yeah. She's looking at it from inside the walls.

So she's like, I don't care. So you think it's like she killed him because she believed he was a snitch. Yes. And then now she's just trying to make the best out of this situation. Yeah, she's like, this is good for me. That makes sense. This is going to help me climb that ladder. I mean, that's just my little weird, cuz' busy, I don't know. The next story that we're going to talk about is another woman that I just don't understand.

Now this woman, she just goes by the name of Lady Um. Now shout out to my mom one more time because she helped me translate this case. This is a Korean case. And she is known to be the most psychopathic female in South Korea. There is a rumor that circulated that she actually scored a perfect score, like the highest score

that you can get on the psychopath test in South Korea. Now that has been debunked by multiple different police officers saying, like, we don't know who started this rumor. So it kind of dates back to there was a news outlet who said that she ranked. I think it was out of 40 and they were like, oh, it was like a 38 out of 40. The highest we've ever seen in a female criminal in South Korea. And then eventually news outlets started running with it.

And then it became the perfect score. The most psychopathic female in South Korea, and all we can know by her is lady um, her last name is Um, so they call her lady Um. Now we do know a little bit about her childhood, and we know that it was freaking regular. That's it, she had a regular childhood, she had a pretty decent family, she was, I mean financially speaking, she was doing really well, the family was, she was tall, she had a nice figure, she had this very, very pretty face, it was never revealed to the public, but everyone that knew her said that she had a pretty face, she had a very feminine features, she had these little rosy cheeks that people love. Korea don't share information, right?

Not until they're convicted, and even if they're convicted, it depends, if they if they're convicted by if they're like, oh well, we think that you're insane So you need to go to a mental hospital Then they typically won't show your face because they want you to go back into society after and not have this stain on your reputation and you know for you to actually be able to go and do work which in most situations I would completely agree with but if you guys have been following me for a while, you know about that situation of Chodusan, who evil dude, raped an 8 year old girl in a church bathroom and he was recently released. I don't know how he got released. You don't wonder how. Yeah. The whole community is doing with him. Yeah, he was released. He actually got a little bit

of money from South Korea has this little fund for prisoners who get out and they want to start their own businesses. So he wanted to start a coffee shop in the same community where he committed this heinous crime. So I think every system has its ups and downs, right? So this one, I mean, I see why they do it, right? Her face was never released. Her personality was, people said she was really sweet. I mean, she just seemed like a regular

ass person. Now in high school, she did do some weird shit, okay? She stole, she would she would drug her friends. And I'm laughing because I'm like, she did weird shit. She did illegal heinous stuff, okay? She would drug her friends with sleeping pills and then she would steal their credit cards while they're knocked out and go on shopping sprees, which seems really done because they're gonna know exactly who did it. This is a credit card. I mean there's an entire statement of what you bought, how you spent the money. I mean there was just a lot of theft stories in high school and she was constantly dropping out of high schools before she got kicked out. So she would

drop out immediately when you know she commits this crime, go to a new high school, do it again, and it was constant, like just right off the bat. So right after graduating high school, she gets her first job as an insurance agent for two months. She worked on a couple of cases, she didn't really like climb up the ladder, she didn't like her job, but this job becomes important later because she commits so much freaking insurance fraud and she uses the knowledge that she had from being an insurance agent for even just two months and use it to manipulate the system and kill a bunch of people. It's freaking insane. So almost immediately after high school she's working this job she meets

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And so they were like, wow, we met the best person ever. I'm so excited. So they get married. And financially speaking, they were not doing hot. They were both working. It just wasn not doing hot. They were both working It just wasn't working out. They were always strut for cash But they ended up having this beautiful daughter together and so she just you know lady um She just put her entire life into being a good mom and then a freak accident happened and I don't know how this happened

Other than the fact that it's been stated that her daughter fell from a desk Like a desk and then she died. So I don't know, maybe there were, you know, different, they don't really go in depth on that part. So her daughter passed away, and a lot of people stated that from this point on, lady, she just was super depressed, which is so understandable. She started getting psychiatric help. She started getting on meds for her depression, and this is when shit starts really hitting the fan

So April of 2000 she pushes her husband. She just straight up pushes him. They were walking outside I think that he had taken some sleeping pills that she had administered into his food and drink That's her favorite thing to do and they're walking outside and she just out of nowhere Pushes him with all of her freaking strength. He knocks to the cement floor and he gets a concussion. So he goes to the hospital and he starts getting treated. Now she's there by his side, like, baby, it's gonna be okay. Like, lady, I'm like, I can't believe this happened to you.

Like, were you drunk or something? What happened then? You must be so tired from moving and he was just like, yeah, that was weird, right? So then he wakes up, he goes back from the hospital and she pushes them again Give him some sleeping pills just nucks him over. I'm talking full force. So he again gets admitted in the hospital He doesn't recall all of that. No He was just like this is weird or at least to my knowledge. He wasn't telling anyone

So it maybe he had his suspicions, but he wasn't telling the police, he wasn't telling doctors or nurses, and she was also there the whole time like, oh my God, just really being like that doding wife, like his family would come visit, and she was constantly by his bedside, like, oh, don't move, like what do you want? Water, I'll get you water,

like kind of one of those situations. So during this, she files for insurance because he had an accident, he's a labor work, he does a lot of labor, he can't work right now. So she gets money, she files for insurance because, you know, he had an accident. He's a labor work. He does a lot of labor. He can't work right now. So she gets money. She gets a couple thousand dollars from this. Now it's strange that her husband was hard way to make money to fraud the insurance company.

Right. But it gets even weirder because I've heard people who like, you know, you pretend you're, but this was a not only I'm going to hurt you. Like, I'm going to, you know, you're you're, but this one's a not only I'm going to hurt you, like, I'm gonna, you know, you're not even going to know that I hurt you. Wow. This one's weird. And like the only thing I've ever learned from just like being around people, being on this earth is that you can try to defraud anyone.

You can try to defraud me. You can try to defraud the government, but don't defraud an insurance company because those, I think that the top private investigators, they all work for insurance companies, they need to start working on crimes, but they're out here making sure that you actually have a limp before they pay you out. That's their thing. They will follow you. They will stalk you. Make sure you got a full limp. If you said you got a limp, you better be limp and everywhere you go. You better be limping inside your house if your windows are open close those curtains And her ins fraud is a crazy thing

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This is gonna be so stressful and she's like no no no, it's okay like I'm gonna work. I'm gonna provide for us I'm gonna stick by his side the whole time like his like his parents were justed at this girl. They were like, lady, oh I'm like holy shit, you're probably the best person alive. I mean, I feel like most partners should do this for each other, but I'm just saying they were just actually very grateful for her. They were like, this is, I can't believe it. So not only she's committing this insane crime, but she's also giving her Oscar performance. Oscar winning. Oscar winning performance. So one month later, up and being completely blind, she starts cooking some oil on the stove. And I don't know if she was like trying to deep fry

something, probably maybe not, but she decided randomly in the middle of this action that she was going to grab this entire pan of hot oil that was cooking up and while her husband was sleeping she poured it all over his face. He had severe burns all over his face. At this point he still has no suspicious. Again I don't know, I don't know if maybe he had some suspicion, if maybe he was just so defeated he couldn't really do anything but what's interesting is that the insurance payouts in Korea went like this. You get the most money for a death. You get the second most money for blindness. Third, burns.

Severe burns. And so he gets admitted into the hospital. Now you're thinking, okay, like people are going to get suspicious. But again, people were like, well, look at his record. He has been admitted into the hospital multiple times for mental health reasons. He's probably hurting himself. And then another thing was, well, he just lost his eyesight maybe a month ago.

Maybe he was cooking, fell into the oil, and he didn't even like refute this. He wasn't sitting there like, no, like I was sleeping, like the sheets in it. This is the devil. Like he didn't do any of that. So again, I have no idea how she was able to control him in that way.

It seems like maybe she's just like this really evil abusive person behind closed doors. Maybe he was terrified for his life. I could believe that. And so he just sat there and didn't say anything. So the hospital, they sent him home after treating his burns. Now a few months after that, um, yeah, she feeds him sleeping pills. And she straight up goes into the kitchen grabs a knife and Stabs her sleeping husband in the stomach with the knife and she immediately calls

Idle cool, which is 1 1 9 I don't know why the translation took so long. Sorry. So she immediately calls 1 1 9 They rush him to the hospital and I mean you're thinking okay Well somebody's got to be alarmed by this, this is insane. But she comes up with this crazy excuse that our husband is so depressed, you know, he just lost his eyesight and, you know, he, he's, he's disfigured from the severe burns and he's just resorting to self-harm.

And he's always been kind of sick in the head, so I think maybe he just wants attention. And the hospital is like, yeah, like sounds about right So they just all believe it even the husband's family and parents So then and the insurance company are constantly paying yeah Which I guess like maybe this is why they have private investigators But I do know that during this time in like the early 2000s and the 90s There was a lot of insurance fraud in Korea So maybe they hadn't gotten like their system down right where the insurance company was like,

oh, we should stock these people. Which I'm not saying that's the right way to do it, but you get it. And so again, he would come randomly to the hospital for other injuries. There were a couple more stabings involved. So they weren't like deep stabings. And then finally, in March of 2002, he was at the hospital getting his stab wound treated and he eventually passed away. So she had stabbed him again.

He went to the hospital, got it treated and he passed away. And the doctor says no suspicion either. Yeah, which I just don't understand. So this is her first murder. Yeah. I mean, she got away with it. So there are some speculations that maybe her daughter was murdered But I don't know I kind of believe the idea that her daughter was not murdered and that that's where everything just fell apart for her

Because she did this unless she got paid out. She did oh, but I don't know right So okay Okay, no maybe either she's that evil that she killed her daughter for money or it was a really bad accident And maybe that's where she got the got the idea because let's say this tragedy brought her money and I think maybe I don't like to speculate especially because I don't have kids But maybe it was a situation of she marries this man. They have a kid and she's like I'm gonna be this amazing mom Like I'm gonna this our amazing mom, like I'm gonna, this is our family unit, and then her daughter dies, she gets paid out,

and I'm shared with financial stress comes a lot of relationship stress, and she's like, for this dude, and instead of divorcing him like a normal person, she's like, you know what, I'm not as well makes money out of this. I'm just trying to think like a psychopath, that's kind of what I'm thinking, I don't know.

So she'll claim hundreds of thousands of dollars and insurance money from this So in total when she gets arrested she had about seven hundred thousand dollars worth of insurance money claimed now She would go and blow it like that was her thing so the in-laws she gets this insurance money and the in-laws Still love her. They just feel like she's this amazing great daughter-in-law that just spent the past couple of years struggling alongside of their son I mean how how do you find a woman who sticks by their husband during times like this? Wow, amazing! And at the funeral she's crying, crying, crying, it was like super emotional

and then the next day she goes to a nightclub and then she keeps going to more nightclubs because she's all about that party life. She's like I'm a free woman now and she finds a new boyfriend at one of these nightclubs. So we're just gonna call him John. So she finds this new boyfriend John and she does not tell him about any of the past. She doesn't tell him that she was married once before. He just recently died like literally I came from the funeral in my little black dress to the nightclub. Like she doesn't tell him any of that. She doesn't tell him that oh I used to have a kid and she passed away because these are really important life events that you would want a potential significant other to know because that's how you grow a relationship. You need to know these things about each other, right? But she didn't tell him any of that. Instead, she lied about her

family. She said that her family were rich and that she was going to get a $1 million a year and her parents soon. Like really soon. So he was like, wow, that's insane. And then she was like, also, also like. Also, looking at you about it could be two million. Whoa. Dark humor, sorry. That's how we get through. Yeah, she's like, also I graduated from this very prestigious school.

And I work for, I work with children. I work at like this, children's nursery or something like that. And he's like, wow. So you work with children. You're such a giving person. I mean, if you work with children, you're probably already to be a mom and I'm looking for I'm looking for a future wifey like you're so wifey material You know that type of conversation you have this crazy degree you come from a really really good family I mean this is insane

She even with the insurance money from her last husband's death that she murdered from her last murder, she buys him an SUV. She's like, here's a present, here's a car. So, I mean, there's no reason for him to not believe that he just hit the jackpot. I mean, he thought that he met the most perfect woman ever. He thought he met Cinderella at a nightclub. He was like, this is it. So they start dating and they're like, okay, we're gonna start a little family together. And then all of a sudden her boyfriend, John, you know, he takes him sleeping pills and then he gets pushed really hard, really, really hard. And he fractures his entire tailbone and he gets this massive concussion and he is rushed to the hospital.

Now he's laying in that hospital bed. He can't even move because his tailbone is broken. I, I, the pain, I can't even imagine, right? And so she goes to the courthouse and is somehow able to convince them or provide proof that they've been living together for a really long time. All of these other things gives really good excuses and they give her a marriage certificate while he's in the hospital. So she gets married to him while he's laying in the hospital bed with a broken tailbone.

Now I saw a couple different sources, right? So my mom saw some sources in Korean that were like, he had no idea about this, right? He had no idea that they were ever legally married. Whereas I saw some other sources that say that he eventually found out about it and he was kind of more on the touch side. He was like, well, that's crazy.

Like I'm having health issues and she cares so much that she wants to be there with me. she wants to legally bind ourselves and I mean this is insane, like this is a symbol of love, if this isn't someone who's so selfless, I don't know what is. Yeah, if this is not love, I don't want it. Yeah, if you know you're not dragging me up, I don't want it, I guess, like it's this is... Sorry, I think we're making so many dark humor jokes because I just can't even wrap my head around it It doesn't even feel real in this situation because who is this evil and heartless, right? And so there's another incident so he's taken out of the hospital

He's discharged and she feeds him more sleeping pills and then she does the same thing she lifts up his eyelids And pokes his eyes with a safety pin and he goes blind. So he's rushed to the hospital and she's just sitting there, concerned wife, taking care of this, you know, taking care of her husband the whole time. So after he goes blind, you know, there's other hospital visits. We have the oil on the face, other small injuries that are unexplainable. And family thought that this was kind of a learning curve again. You know, he had, you know, he lost his eyesight.

Now he has some oil issues like he had burns on his face. He was trying to cook maybe and he's just trying to learn how to live life again, right? And all these other small injuries, maybe he tripped, maybe he bumped into something. I mean, there's, there's a reason for all of this. That's what they thought. And so the last time he was hospitalized, he had this really, really bad infection. And they all said that he was going to be fine. But the next morning they get a call and he died in the hospital.

Now, during all of this, Lady Am is pregnant. And the family feels really bad for her. So John's family, they feel so bad for her and they tell her, listen, you should get an abortion and just tell everyone that you had a miscarriage. So in Korea, it's a little bit different. I know that this was still in like the 2000s and I'm sure that there are so many people in America that kind of still think like this too, but it's hard. It's hard to date as a single mother. I'm sure everyone can relate to that. That's a single mom, right? It's hard to date as a single mother. I'm sure everyone can relate to that. That's a single mom.

It's hard to date as a single mother. A lot of traditional Koreans will frown upon it. They're like, really, you shouldn't be marrying someone who has a kid from a different marriage. Even if that person had passed. It's always seen as like, whoa, this is crazy, right? I hope things are getting better and I don't really know it like that. But you get what I'm saying. So they tell her, don't have the baby.

Just tell people you miscarried, move on with your life. I mean, it'll still be good for you. You're pretty, you're young. Like, you're going to find a husband and you can start this new family. And you don't have to be, you know, struggling at all. And she says, no, no, no, no. I loved your son so much.

And I want to have this baby. I want to feel connected to him, you know? I just want to feel like I He's still with me and his soul is living on inside of this kid And everyone was like wow, I mean that's that's I can't believe you'd want to do that. That's beautiful So nobody suspects anything weird happened and then she takes out life insurance And immediately disappears and this is when John's parents were like, what the fork? Where'd she go?

She's not picking up the calls. We wanted to still, you know, see our grandkids once. She pops out that baby, but also, they didn't know that they were married. So now everything is looking a little bit different because we thought that you guys weren't married and there was no life insurance on the table. And now we're finding out that you guys got married when he was already admitted in the hospital for his first suspicious injury that all started when he started dating you. Like they were getting really freaked out.

They find out that she had never graduated from college. There was no inheritance that she was going to get. She didn't even have a job at the time. So they start really, really panicking. Meanwhile, lady um, she doesn't freaking care. She's so busy partying the whole time. She's spending the money on clothes, lavish events, she's partying. And eventually she runs out of a lot of the money.

So she goes back to the parents and she's got this kid now, right? And her dad had passed away and it didn't seem like she murdered her dad. But her dad had passed away so it's just her mom and her brother's there. And she had given her mom pomegranate juice that was laced with sleeping pills and she poked her eyes with needles Took her to the hospital and claimed the insurance money of her mom going blind So now she's like hey brothers I'm gonna actually be staying inside this house with my kid now because I'm taking care of mom You know, she's elderly. She's blind now

So I got to do things around the house and one day she's drinking beer with her brother at night and she played some sleeping pills into the drinks. He passed out and she poured hydrochloric acid in both his eyes and he became completely blind, suffered severe burns on his face. And while he was recovering at the hospital, she tried to overdose him with something in his IV. But thankfully he survived. Like immediately when she put this,

like it seemed to be some sort of poison, right? Into the IV, like all of the hospital staff were alerted that he was like freaking out, like his body was reacting, right? And so he survived, and nobody suspected her. She was the recipient of that insurance money as well, of blinding her brother. And now she's like, oh, I'm just going to take care of my family members because they're going blind and I don't know why right and she takes over all of the Estate now. I'm not gonna say it's a large estate, but they did have Property so she was like she kept telling them don't worry guys. I'm gonna sell some of the property and I'm gonna buy a house in The main city so that I can work and take care of you guys and we're all gonna live together because they were living like

Outside the city at this point and finally, you know, they keep asking, like, when are we gonna move, you know, when are we gonna move? I thought you sold the place, when are we gonna move? And she's like, well, shit. This is a lot of heat because I don't have a place. I sold the place because I just wanted money. I didn't, I didn't get a place. I didn't use that money to get a place inside the city.

Like, I just wanted to sell the place for money. So she starts panicking because, you know know, the deadlines coming up and her brothers are all in the apartment and she goes over, feeds them this really healthy juice, laced with sleeping pills, they pass out and she lights the place on fire. Now her older brother is completely blind, but he was able to put out the fire, but both of her brothers had severe burn damage. There's two brothers. Yeah, one of them was not blinded.

But both of them, they were hospitalized with burns and smoke inhalation for weeks. At this point, do they have any clue? At this point, they get weird. Yeah, they get suspicious. Now around this time, her son was also getting sick, right? So her son, with her boyfriend, John, he actually was diagnosed with Kawasaki disease, which is usually treatable. So I googled it.

Now, I'm not gonna say that every person who's diagnosed with this disease gets treated and they survive or that it is not harmful or it's not something horrible to go through, right? But it does seem that it is treatable. It does seem that you go through, right? But it does seem that it is treatable. It does seem that you go through the pain, but it's not it's not fatal most of the time. And to even be diagnosed with it, I think there's only 20,000 cases in the US per year, so it's considered a very

rare disease. And so she spent a lot of money on all of the shopping and all of this other things. And so she just didn't have a ton of money for his hospital bills. And he somehow ended up dying, which is strange. So she was never charged for his death, but I mean, it was a treatable disease. There was no indication from many doctors that it was becoming fatal. Like it was really, really like the worst stage of this disease that they've ever seen. It was just kind of strange. And she got paid out too. Yes. So around this time, you know, her brother is in the hospital and there's just a lot going on.

She feels like she can't go back to her family because they know what's going on with her, right? So she catches up with a friend who she had known since she was a child and she was like, hey, listen, a lot of shit's happening in my life. Like, what do I do? What do I do? And she's like, here, you can stay with me. Like, I get it. You can stay with me and my husband

and my kids because, I mean, I've known you forever. I just don't want you to feel like you're alone in any of this. Like I can't believe that, you know, your boyfriend died and your son died. This is, this is so sad. So she stays inside the house for about a month and finally, her friend's like, hey, so it's like been a month and you said that you were only going to stay for like a week or two and, you know, my kids and it's just a lot like, do you mind if mind if maybe I can help you get like a hotel room for a couple of days and then we can try to figure it out from there like she was being really really kind about it but for some reason lady on was like oh yeah like I'll just pack

my things and get out today now that same day that she was really upset that she had to leave she lit the entire sofa in their living room on fire in the house started burning. Now the husband of the friend he died while he was getting treated for severe burns because of this house fire. Her friend and the two kids they were hospitalized for weeks because of this house fire. And she was fine. Yes, it was a really intense house fire. Now, this is weird because this seemed like her first weird crime of passion because there was no insurance money involved.

She wasn't going to benefit from it. It just, it seemed like she was just truly evil and she was angry and she was like, you know what? I'm just going to kill people, right? Yeah. So lady I'm at this point, she's super suspicious. The family, the entire family that had just witnessed this, her friend

is like, okay, I think something's wrong with you. She wants to talk to the police because I kicked her out this day and suddenly our house is on fire and now my husband has passed. This is what I... can you imagine just like graciously letting people stay with you? And this is what happens, like I can't. Okay, I'm so mad. And so Lady Am decides, all right, well, the only way that I'm going to get out of this situation is if I kill my friend and the kids, because they're going to talk to the police. And they know me by name, I've done them since I was kids, so she decides the only way to kill them without drawing the suspicion on her is to catch the entire hospital on fire?

So she goes into the staircase and she starts spraying oil all over the staircase and she sets the oil on fire. Now, I don't know if she's dumb, but hospitals have CCTV everywhere. So it's on CCTV? I've heard just spraying oil on the staircase and setting it on fire.

Hospitals also have like really strict protocols on fire. So thankfully, can you imagine? But thankfully, nobody got hurt. Because fires are one of the most dangerous things to evacuate all of these patients. A lot of them are bed ridden. Like a lot of them need to be hooked up to machines. Like, yeah, so they were able to put out the fire. It wasn't a destructive fire.

But they had the CCTV footage. They're looking for this woman the little brother at the hospital I believe he had been discharged at this point He was the one that didn't go blind, but he was like yeah, that's my sister like I am positive at her She has been doing this to our family. He just told him everything He was like and you know what? I think her marriages have been suspicious because she had a boyfriend died. Her first husband, dead. Her kids, dead. Like it's weird. It's weird. And all everyone in her life that she loves is blind. Like what's going on? So she immediately gets arrested and she starts coming up with the craziest story. She's like, I said all of these fires because I see my dead daughter in the flames and I just want to see my daughter.

I miss my daughter so much and every time I see fire and flames I see her just standing there laughing like a carefree kid. Okay but what about the blindness? Like what about the insurance money because maybe we can believe that. Maybe. I mean, it doesn't justify anything or excuse your behavior. But maybe we can believe that. But what about the blindness, the oil, the insurance money? Like, what's up with that?

And she said, well, because I lost my kid, I'm addicted to drugs. And I need money for drugs to get rid of all the trauma of losing my kid. Now, I don't want anyone to think that I am not sympathetic for losing your kids, but in this situation, I don't know how the kids passed. So it's hard to be sympathetic.

If it really was, they passed away, it was an accident, or it was a disease, then of course, they'd be sympathetic, but she's really suspicious, okay? And so they're like, yeah, I'm just addicted to drugs because it's the only thing that numbs the pain. So they do a drug test on her and there's no drugs in her system, like not one thing at all.

She had no symptoms of hallucinations. They kept her under surveillance. She had no symptoms of withdrawal. So if you are a drug addict, we're surveilling you. You're not getting any drugs. You're gonna have withdrawal symptoms Like that's how drugs work, right? There was no evidence that she ever had prolonged drug use in her entire life And she claims, oh, I take this like medicine that like hides drugs in my drug test and every every person out there It's like where can we buy those okay where can I buy those

right now drop the adi so they're like all right that seems fake and crazy and she tried to plead insanity for her crimes that she blamed her children's death for all of her actions she lashed out at all of these loved ones because of the trauma of losing her kids and the judge didn't really buy it so she was sent to prison where she will probably spend the rest of her life and she was diagnosed with being a psychopath and having borderline personality disorder. And in total and all of this she had received close to $700,000 in insurance money. So my whole thing is I don't understand these two people, these two cases. Yeah. How do they

think that they were gonna get away with it? And, I mean, what? That's crazy. Like, what this woman did, that is very, very rare to hear a story like that, huh? I think it was, I don't want to say a perfect story, but it had also to do with like the insurance, the way that it was working in Korea at the time, also wasn't as strict as it is now. So, I don't, I just can't imagine how she was getting away with all of this. Insurance companies don't want to pay out for anything.

Yeah, exactly. But they were just like, here, take our money. So maybe it was like, it just was overlooked at the time. And maybe I mean, she really, people said she was really playing that part well of this, wow, just supportive, selfless wife who was like, I don't care. I said through sickness or health or whatever that vow was, I said that and I'm gonna be here with you, baby.

If you guys have any idea, let me know and I hope you guys enjoyed today's episode and I'll see you guys this weekend for the mini-sode. Bye! Hope you guys enjoyed today's episode and I'll see you guys next week for the mini-sode. Bye!