Rotten Mango - #55: The Killer Kitty (Richardson Family Murders)

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

The Richardson family was found viciously murdered in the middle of the night… The police are gathering clues when they realize that a family member is missing. The 12-year-old daughter… where is she? Has she been abducted? Did she escape? Was she killed? Is her body somewhere else? Time is ticking... Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That one was an energetic one. Are you feeling good today? Because I'm about to ruin your spirits with today's story. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on, but this case is just gonna make you freaking want to punch someone I feel like cases where you have lots of social media posts. You've got incriminating evidence on social media You've got incriminating, you know emails It's just I mean this clown emojis. Yes, just clown emojis. This is like where are the brain cells? So there's a book called Runaway Devil by Robert Remington and Sherry So there's a book called Run Away Devil by Robert Remington and Sherry Zick Fouce. And this is about the case of the Run Away Devil, the Richardson Family case.

And I don't even want to give you an intro because I don't want to spoil anything. So this takes place in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada in 2006. Why did I say it like that? Medicine Hat though, that's a town name. Medicine Hat. Yeah, imagine saying like, I live in medicine hat. No cap. There could be a lot worse. Yeah, there could be.

Like Los Angeles. Immediately everyone's like, ill. Okay, sounds good. So this all starts with a boy by the name of Gareth. And it's interesting because he is not like a pivotal person in this entire story, but it all starts with him. So he's six years old and his favorite things in life were I don't know things that six year olds are into like hockey wrestling Pretending to be like a Jedi knight to engage in a galactic struggle. That was his jam

Now thankfully for him his best friend Jacob lived right next door I was gonna say he didn't exist imagine that's the plot twist. Garrett is losing his marbles at six years old. Never mind. Okay, so his best friend is his right next door neighbor, Jacob. And he would constantly just ask his mom like, hey, can I go out, hang out with Jacob on the weekends? Can I go hang out with Jacob on the weekends? And they were supposed to have a sleepover. That specific Saturday in April of 2006. But it ended up not happening because Garrett had a hockey game that he wanted to go to instead. So Sunday morning approaches, they're out running all of these errands and Gareth is like, hey mom, now that we're headed home, do you think I could hop by Jacobs?

Because I didn't get to hang out with him that much. And the mom's thinking about it and she's like, you know what, we did run errands all day. And he didn't complain. Like, okay, fine. I'm gonna pull up to the driveway. Let's see if the family cars are sure enough. You know, the dad's pickup truck was just sitting in their next door neighbor's driveway and she's like, all right, well you go say hi to Jacob and make sure to come home for dinner. So she goes into her house and she starts kind of like unpacking and like cleaning all these groceries that she just brought in. And almost a minute later, her six year old son runs into the house and says, Mommy, there's dead bodies at Jacob's house with blood on them.

I saw them through the window. And she says, what? I mean, he's six years old, six years old. You say some crazy things, but you don't say stuff like this. You don't just like come home and say stuff like this. And she said, what did you just say? I said, I think I saw some bodies with blood on them. Can you please come?

And so she's like, okay, he starts booking it back to the neighbor's house. She starts running after him, and she even screamed at him, like, you better not be lying, Garith, this is not something to joke about. She peers through the window, and sure enough, she sees the body of a man lying face up. I mean, his entire body from head to toe was covered in blood, and his hands were reaching out into the air as if he's like in motion As if he's trying to punch someone, but he wasn't moving like his hands are just like fists up in the air, but they're not moving His hand hands are in here. Yeah, huh? Okay, so I mean they're not like all the way up like elbows locks, but they're like up looking almost like a defensive position

like all the way up like elbows locked but they're like up looking almost like a defensive position and so you know it's I mean it's very alarming there was blood all over his face there was too much blood to even identify who this man was and then closer to him there was Deborah lying on the floor bent at an odd angle so this is a woman and she is nearly like the basement entrance she's kind of on her back kind of on her side she could clearly see that this is the mom of the household Deborah and she starts freaking out. She grabs her six-year-old son because that's not something you want your six-year-old son to see. And she runs back to our house, but she had left the front door open.

So she's like, oh my god. If there is a neighborhood killer, like a neighborhood attacker just going house to house, how do I know that he's not in my house waiting to kill me? So she grabs her cell phone, calls her mom, and her mom is like, yeah, you need a call 911. I'll be right there. So she gets into her car with her son. I mean, this is really smart at being a mom. I'm not one, but she is. So this is really smart. She gets into the car, backs out of the driveway, and just like waits on the street for the police to arrive. Now, once the police get there, sure enough, they too

look through the window, and they can clearly see a bunch of, you know, bloody bodies. So they knocked down the door to the murder house. That's what they were calling it at this point. And the front door, it was not unlocked, it was completely locked, everything was like tight and shut. It seemed like whoever came to attack them came through the back door. And they have no idea if the killer is still loose in the house.

They don't know if the people that are laying on the ground bloodied up are the owners of the house or maybe they were injured while they were attacking the owners. We have no idea. They hear a little bit of whimpering. So they're like, what the fork is that? So they clear every single room, and the amount of blood, I mean, it was insane.

There was blood on the stairway leading up to the bedrooms, leading to the basement. The back door in the kitchen had a blood smear on it. Just, carpeting was soaked in wet, sticky blood. The ceilings had blood spatter all over it. In the basement, it was practically on every single surface. Exercise equipment, TV, the ceiling, I mean, really, really bad. So the first body that the police find is the body of a woman, Deborah Richardson. She was in front of the basement stairs, lying on the floor, covered in blood in her blue nightgown, so it almost seemed like someone had a texture in the middle of the basement stairs lying on the floor covered in blood in her blue night gown

So it almost seemed like someone had a taxer in the middle of the night This was now like 2 p.m. Sunday. The whimpering that they heard was there was this tiny little family pet that was barking next to her Non-stop and whimpering. I mean that dog was just so terrified. She had been stabbed 12 times She had four stabbed that punctured her lungs. She was punctured in the stomach with a stab wound and her aorta So this is really really intense then the police find the man So the man is completely in his boxers and just head to toe blood everywhere hands raised almost as if he's in a fight and Near him the basement railing was broken the screwdriver There was just like a bloody screwdriver next to him

There was also like a bloody knife and the tip had bent to look like a hook So they think that it means that this knife had punctured a bone like it had went and it had knocked on some bone So they don't know if this person is a victim or a wounded criminal So as they approach him cautiously to handcuff him because they have no idea They realize that they're dealing with the corpse Because his arms were frozen upward in rigor mortis. Oh That that happens. Yeah, I was shocked too when I was reading this book so good this book is so good But like I was like what?

Yeah, so he had been stabbed 24 times and none of those were fatal Stabs he had died of massive massive massive blood loss. Now both of these two people, they were in their 40s and they didn't die immediately. The way that the coroner says it is they had moments of purposeful activity after most of their severe wounds, especially marks. So it means that they died fighting, especially mark. The one thing that the police constantly say is this felt like a man protecting his family and protecting his house. The way that he fought off this attacker and tried to was insane.

So they go upstairs to check through the rooms. There's three bedrooms in this house. So the master bedroom, no one was in there. There was some disheveling to make it seem like someone had run in there briefly, but there wasn't a man's amount of blood. The first bedroom that they check after that is a girl's bedroom. It was a completely pink bedroom. I'm talking stuffed animals all over the place. There was no signs of violence. The only thing that they saw was a little bit of blood on the light switch.

Very interesting. Now they go over to the last room and this is a little boys' room. Already in front of his room, there was just so much blood in the hallway. Just a carpet was thick with blood, so they did not have a good feeling about this. So they opened up the door and on the bed was a little boy which just stab wounds everywhere a large gash on his throat and his eyes were wide open. His eyes were wide open blood everywhere in this room. I'm talking the bed the floor the walls all over his toys. The police officer that found this scene said that it seemed like there was this lightsaber. You know the Star Wars lightsabers? It was on the floor and

it was completely bloodied up. It looked as if he had tried to use it to defend himself. He did not go down without a fight. Little Jacob was 8 years old by the way. He had multiple stab wounds on his face and the main major wound was on his neck. He had died by choking on his own blood and they said that this was a slow neck. He had died by choking on his own blood and they said that this was a slow death. The way that his jugular was cut was not like where it's just blood spraying all over the place. Just suffocation? Yeah, just slowly suffocating and choking on your own blood. He was also stabbed a little bit on the side of his chest but again, this wasn't the main wound that had killed him. There was evidence of strangulation. They later find out with the autopsies, but at this point they know something graphic had happened. So as they're going

downstairs to try to secure up the crime scene, they see this picture. Picture on the coffee table. A mom, a dad, a daughter, and a son, and they're like, yeah, we did just go to the daughters room. But we only found three bodies. Oh my god, the girl is missing. Oh my god. She's 12. This is this like a Jamie-Claude situation. I mean this happened, you know before Jamie-Claude But in the situation of they kill the family to kidnap the daughter was the motive to steal this 12-year-old girl to kidnap her So they're like we need to find this girl. This is, what if she's staying overnight at a friend's house? We just need to like secure the premises. So they start going around asking the neighbors.

Now firstly, none of them had saw on anything. They hadn't seen if a masked intruder had happened to be just prancing around the sidewalks. Like they didn't see anything suspicious. And anything Saturday night seemed like a normal, normal neighborhood night. They saw Mark outside just hanging out with the kids briefly like everything seemed Completely normal. So the neighbors identified the girl in the picture as Jasmine Richardson who is 12 years old

But she did look a lot older than 12 But I mean, I don't know what that means. So meanwhile other officers they go back into the house because they're like Maybe we missed her like maybe she's hiding in a closet Maybe she got away from the killer and now she's so scared that she didn't even want to say, hey, please, it's me. Maybe, maybe we missed her body. Maybe her bloody body is like under a bed. So they searched everything.

There was this one moment where they went back into our room and there was a quilt, just like a blanket laying in the corner and they were like, oh shit. And they go to lift it up. And thankfully, she wasn't there. So they're like, oh man, like this is crazy. They check the backyard. They checked the detached garage and they cannot find her anywhere.

I mean, the police, they were stressing out about this. They need to find this girl. So that's when they realize either A, the girl has been kidnapped and she might be killed soon. Like, time is not their friend. B, the girl is dead somewhere else and they need to find her body. Or C, the girl is going to come home, maybe after spending a Saturday night at her friend's house, and then they have to tell her that overnight, her entire family had been murdered. Like,

none of these are looking good. So who is this family? Because maybe we need to find out, does someone have this crazy motive to kill all of them? So the Richardson family consisted of a dad, Mark, and Deborah the mom, and they had moved into this house with their two children, Jasmine, who was 12 at the time, and Jacob, who was eight. They moved into this neighborhood about three years ago, and people said they were full of life.

That's what they have, like the perfect suburban family. I mean, of course, they had normal problems, like for one, Jacob is super active. If not too active, he's an eight-year-old little boy. Like, he's jumping off the walls non-stop. And then Jasmine, I mean, she's about to be a teenager, so there's some struggles with that of her trying to find her style, trying to find her click. And other than that, they were super happy. Like, they would go and motorbike together, go camping together, and this was their first ever house.

It was a monumental experience for them. So the parents, they had been married for 15 years. This is the first time that they could have a tree in the backyard, a fenced yard. They had a fireplace to roast marshmallows, and this happened to be an even bigger deal for them, because they had been in recovery programs for substance abuse when they met. So when Mark was 23, he entered himself into a 12-step rehab program. He wasn't there long, because he was incredibly motivated, like the staff remembered him. They had met so many people, but they remembered Mark because they said that he knew what he

wanted. He knew that it would take so much work to succeed in addiction recovery, but he didn't care. He was like, I'm gonna freaking do it and I'm gonna do it right. So he needs a woman by the name of Deborah at the gym, and she was six years older than him, and she too had been through the same struggles. She was clean now, he was clean,

but she had gone through rehab, the 12-step program, and they started dating, and they agreed to change their lives, like forever, together. And so they get married in 1991, and two years later, they have their first kid, Jasmine. So they learned how to have fun without drugs. That's what they kept saying. You know, they loved writing motorbikes being active, going camping.

Then they eventually moved to Alberta, Canada because the oil industry was booming. So they're looking for like a lot of hard working, like working class people. So they're like, we need one opportunities. Let's move our family there. They have their second child, Jacob. And Jasmine got along really well with him. She was not jealous. She would, they would play all the time. It was super cute. But it wasn't always easy. They had their second child, Jacob, and Jasmine got along really well with him. She was not jealous.

They would play all the time. It was super cute. But it wasn't always easy. So the family had financial problems. In the beginning, they would go to food banks. And Debra was never embarrassed. She was so excited, actually. She'd be waiting in line at food banks, not ashamed, not embarrassed, but just excited to

get ingredients to make cookies for the kids. She was known for always stretching the dollar and making good meals. That was what she was known for. So they had this slow, steady progress. It was not like a success overnight. It wasn't like, oh, let me store my own business entrepreneur, hashtag CEO. That's really aggressive, Stephanie. It was never like that. Like the dad, Mark, he started taking all these engineering classes and then slowly He got it promoted at work and more and more and more and then Deborah. She did house cleat keeping she was you know doing all these small jobs They saved up all of their money and eventually they were at a good place to buy this like

$160,000 house with three bedrooms with a fence yard in a good neighborhood And the way that people describe them is that the couple, they treated each other with the utmost respect. They treated their kids with respect and love too. They weren't like those crazy overbearing parents. They were the type of parents that would be like, well no, let's talk about it. I don't want to just say because I said so. And I think a lot of it comes from the fact that Deborah was super spiritual.

Super spiritual. And she was specifically into native spirituality So like the spirituality of indigenous people so she had this strong interest in like sweat ceremonies Medicine wheels like dream catchers. She always kept one in the house Okay, like I don't want to go on and on about the victims cuz like I get it But like I have to say this she actually started mentoring and sponsoring people at narcotics anonymous and people loved her. She spoke at these meetings and she was inspirational. I mean, think about it. She was in that same position as so many people that were and now she has this beautiful family. She lives a clean life, but she's so happy. She would do this thing where if she was worried about someone, she would call them up and they wouldn't pick up

and she would leave a voicemail and say something like I don't need a phone call back just wanted to let you know that I love you Till you love yourself. That was like her favorite thing to say She would also say I love the bones and the skin that you're in Which like I know if this was um in a different case in like a serial killer said that totally different vibes But like when Debra saying it, I mean you know that she meant well So Jasmine's childhood the older child so the 12 year old, she was really close with her parents. People said that she radiated whosomeness.

That was the word that people described her with, just whosomeness. She's got these clear blue eyes, these thickens eyelashes. She's got this long, darky, glossy hair, and she's like a very petite, very pretty girl. She's very pretty. So she ends up going to Catholic school and she was an honor role student, yeah. Really studious. Just like a normal girl, she had a couple of close friends.

And by the time that she's in the sixth grade, she's doing what sixth graders do. All the weekends, she's got her friends over, they're watching movies, trying on new hairstyles. They're going to the mall, getting some pizza at the mall. Like that was their thing. They were living such a normal life. And she also loved doodling. The only time

that she would really get in trouble during this time period was she would doodle her band teacher as a duck. So like I guess she didn't like her band teacher. So she's like doodling the face onto a duck. So it's cute. I mean she was in a swim club. She did judo. And she was really into like wica. So she loved crystals, meditation, love spirituality, she got it from her mom. Now Jacob, he was crazy energetic. I'm talking energizer bunny through the walls, everyone adored him, he loved hockey, he loved star wars, and people claimed that he was the most joyful energetic kid that I've

ever met. So in school, he was known as the class clown, in his kindergarten yearbook he wrote when I grow up I want to be a policeman or a soldier Which I can only imagine the police officers after they saw his body and then read stuff like this like this would have destroyed them And then they he wrote the thing I like best about me is that I have a family and I'm very fast I Know so they purchased this one thousand square foot pre-bedroom house in that I have a family, and I'm very fast. I know. So they purchased this 1,000 square foot pre-bedroom house

in 2003, and everything seemed to be going well. Now, at this point, the police are starting to look for the endangered jasmine. I mean, they start realizing that maybe what's going on, we need to find her. Now, one thing that they did notice in her room that was odd is that there was a little bit of blood on the light switch and they couldn't help but think that killers and attackers don't really turn off the lights before they leave.

They don't really care too. So this must mean that maybe she has been kidnapped. Maybe she has been abducted. So they go to Jasmine's school because they're like maybe maybe someone here knows anything about her. Like maybe her counselor, maybe they know what kind of friend she hangs out with. We need to get to the bottom of it. Is she at a sleepover or has she been abducted? And so the counselor who knew Jasmine really well is like, well, I don't really know her friends' names, and I don't really have their like phone numbers, but why don't I try to go into her locker, because it was like this tradition that these young girls would do. These like seventh graders, they would write their best friends numbers on their lockers. You know, just to remember it. So the police, they couldn't do it because they didn't have a

search warrant, but the counselor was like, well, I am allowed by my job rules to open up lockers if I really want to. So I'll do it. So she goes and she starts flipping through her binders, and that is when a piece of paper slips out. And she froze. The piece of paper was a drawing by Jasmine. And it was a family of three stick figures being burned alive, while two stick figures stood on the side laughing. What? It was really graphic. The stick figures said things like, help.

I'm being burned alive. Help. My flesh is being burned off. And then the two stick figures that were Jasmine and someone named Jeremy said, ah, ha, ha, you're burning alive. The unimaginable pain. She even wrote her name on there? Well, they knew it was her. It looked like her.

Oh. And so they were like, what? So she gives us to the police and the police immediately start to consider her not only missing, but as a suspect. So because she's 12 years old, they do not release any of this information to the news. They only release the fact that she is missing because they don't want to be like, Hey, you suspected killer 12-year-old! Like, if you see her, let us know, because Canada's really crazy about their underage, like laws. So even her identity for most of this, even the book runaway devil they never use her name

They just call her J.R But I mean it's been linked and it's used her name's Jasmine Richardson and it's no longer her name She changed her name. It's a long story. We'll get into it So the rumor was you know immediately that people were like she met her killer online and he abducted her He killed her entire family this predator that she met on the social media these days You know killed her family and then abducted her and met on the social media these days, you know, killed her family and then abducted her and now she's in danger. We got to find her. Is that really what happened? So Jasmine Richardson, this is the story of the youngest

Canadian convicted of multiple homicide. Her youngest victim was eight years old and she was only 12 years old at the time that this took place. And these are her families. These are her family members. Wow. Yeah, that wasn't the only twist in today's case. So... So Jasmine, you know, after the sixth grade, she's got all these friends.

Her baddest thing that she's ever done. Bad Bates is draw her band teacher as a freaking duck. Now, during that summer though, things started going a little bit different. She's always been artistic and she started identifying with the artistic roots of goth culture. She loved it, so she loves like wearing black clothing. She wanted to wear choker, these oversized hoodies with like logos of just heavy rock band

skulls. All of that. She wanted to wear like the thick eyeliner and she loved this band called the misfits. Now I know that some people, not a lot of people, maybe like the older generation would like to argue that this has impacted her life, this has influenced her, but I highly doubt it. Even she herself said that the lyrics to these songs were not that violent but just more creative and very expressive. That's what she liked. So her friend group that she had in sixth grade starts dividing themselves up

into two different groups You've got the regular group of girls and then you've got what they called the bad group So these are the group of girls that went gawd as they say so they just started wearing dark clothing wearing makeup wearing Chokers, but they were really pissed off now that they were labeled as the bad group because they're thinking to themselves I didn't even do anything bad though. I didn't even my personality is the same I'm just listening to a specific type of music and wearing darker clothing. Why does that make me bad? She was just getting angry. It seems like she had so much pent up anger. So the summer of 2005, Jasmine's heading into the seventh grade. She's 12 years old, right?

But she could easily pass for 15 or 16. That's what people say. I don't know. I take it with a grain of salt. It still doesn't, it still doesn't mean anything to me You're still 12 and she starts joining these social media websites and she was really vague on them on some of these websites She never gave her age on some she said that she was 16 on some she said that she was 15 on one She said that she was a single woman with a dog bisexual and gave no name So kind of implied that like she's like a single woman with a dog bisexual and gave no name, so kind of implied that like she's like a working woman, like just 19 living on her own, I don't know. I mean, I would say that I did see a couple profile pictures and she looks underage.

She doesn't look 12 to me, but she definitely doesn't look 18. So under her interest she writes hatchets, serial killers, criminal psychology, blood, moonlight, human anatomy, and ultimately kinky shit. Kinky shit. Yeah, she said her hero was a Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, she listed her hero as a Jeffrey Dahmer, so we're just going to leave it at that. She had three different usernames on these different websites. She had X underscore madness underscore X. She had runaway

devil the name of the book and then she also had killer kitty. Now what the book mentions is that all of these three sinister usernames will fulfill her life. Madness, runaway devil, and killer kitty. Creepy. So she starts posting on these websites and she says things like, I am the almighty Jacks bow down. I think deep thoughts I am quite emotional and my mood is ever changing. Although I can be very good at hiding my feelings, I am told I am mentally our word. Often I am loud and I bounce a lot.

I like random questions. I like to pretend I'm a gangster sometimes, but don't worry, I'm not. Yeah, I sometimes watch Teen Titans because I'm that cool So like you can kind of it's like a it's like a kid's show So you can I mean I feel like just by looking at this writing you know that this is a young girl This is 12 years old. This is not someone that's like 20. There's not even 17 like she's very young So she goes into the seventh grade,

and her school counselor immediately starts noticing, whoa, whoa, whoa, what happened over the summer? Like you are completely different person. So she was wearing like what regular six graders were wearing. And suddenly she's wearing these shorter skirts, chains, fishnet stockings, spiked collars, these like black mesh tops, heavy makeup. She would draw on tears right under her eyes, yell like an e-girl, like that type of vibe, and they would constantly call her parents about breached school dress code and her parents didn't care. Well I don't want to say that they didn't care, but they said, hey it's just an expression.

She's not doing anything wrong. Like that's how cool her parents were. Can you imagine? And so she's like embracing this style. She starts hanging out with a goth community in a medicine hat, the local mall. And that's where she starts meeting these older guys. So she meets a guy by the name of Raven, who's 19, and another one that goes by trench coat, who's like 21 years old. So they don't call each other real names. Yeah, I guess not.

Yeah. Can you imagine, hey Raven, that's all Raven. I love that show. I mean Raven's common, like Raven's a moan, but trench coat, giving one person whose legal name is trench coat, that one viewer, that's like, that's really rude. I'm gonna email her right now.

But like it's a weird, it's a weird name. So she starts dating and she starts dating older. Like she's 12, dating a 16 year old by the name of Devon. To be fair to Devon, he had no idea that she's 12 dating a 16 year old by the name of Devon to be fair to Devon He had no idea that she was 12 He was under the impression that she was 16 as well So her mom finds out about this and her mom's like Jasmine I would just like to meet him like we can meet at a coffee shop. It's gonna be completely normal

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna embarrass you. You know I'm a cool mom So they all meet together and Devon said that Deborah was really nice and she was protective But definitely open-minded however Jasmine was really nice and she was protective but definitely opened-minded. However, Jasmine, on the other hand, she was freaking embarrassed. She was scarred by this. She said it was so awkward. She's like, Mom, stop asking my boyfriend so many questions. Mom, you're embarrassing me.

So this is the moment that Jasmine promised herself, if I have another boyfriend, I will never tell my parents. I'm just not even going to, I'm going to act like they don't exist. But soon afterwards, the relationship fell apart, not because of Deborah, not because of Jasmine's parents, but because Devon was getting really jealous. I mean, all the time, he saw Jasmine hanging out with those older guys, Raven, who's like 19, has like a license and shit, you know, it's not cool. And so, you know, she's like, well, can you stop hanging out with them? Like, I don't feel comfortable. And Jasmine tells Devon, well, I think he's like my soulmate. Like, can you, the balls on this girl?

She was just straight up like, I know that you're my boyfriend, but that bitch over there is my soulmate. And he tried to get over it, but he just couldn't, because they would constantly be hugging and just like whispering each other's ears in front of him. So they ended up breaking up. And Jasmine would later tell the police that she wasn't sad. I wasn't too upset because it wasn't really serious. That's what she said. So then enter into the picture. A Jeremy, oh man, stank. That's his name. What is it? It's a Jeremy stank. It's S-T-E-E-I-N-K-E. There's no way you can't tell me that that's not

stank. There's like no way. Some people call it stanky. Stanky. Stanky. Stanky. I think it's stank. It just has to be if it's not. I'm gonna punch myself. So he was a 23 year old high school dropout when they meet. She's 12 and he's 23. So we're gonna go into his whole little childhood. So he lived on the other side of medicine hat in a trailer park with his mom and he was convinced that he was a 300 year old werewolf. Yes, I said it. He was a 300 year old werewolf. That's what he told people. He said, whenever it's gonna be a full moon moon You better not be where I am because I might eat ya It's hard not to laugh cuz like when you're 23 if a 23 year old dead ass like me in the face and said that I don't know how I would respond. I think I would just be like okay

Cool Like I don't know it would just be so confusing. So Jeremy's childhood, he was bullied in high school non-stop. I mean, it's really sad, but even his teachers called him stinky instead of stink. I mean, it earns out of however, I know it's like a bad thing for the same thing. But he's evil, so he would come home and he would tell his mom about it. But his mom didn't really care to do anything because his mom had her own problems So Jeremy's biological dad he would come home every single night pretty much drunk off his

He was just bonkers he would whip him with a belt on a daily basis when he's like a toddler Drag him into his room by his ears and then beat him some more So eventually they break up and Jeremy's mom gets remarried. So now we've got stepdad number one and he too would drink all the time and beat the children. He had three kids of his own and now Jeremy has like a younger sister. So that's like five kids total. He would line them up in like an assembly line and say who broke the vase? All the kids would be silent because niches get stitches and he would make them hold out their hands and just swad at them with like a stick until one of them confessed and then when they finally did

the stepdad would tie up other children to chairs and force them to watch the other children get abused. What? Wait that's not what I meant. Okay so what I meant to say was let me clarify for a second. I just don't think that I'm coming across in a clear concise way. Is this clear enough for you? Do you understand what I'm saying? Do you know how many times I've used these phrases in my emails?

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Get 20% off Grammily Premium by signing up at Grammily.com-RottenMango. That's 20% off at g-r-a-m-m-a-r-l-y.com-rottenMango. So then obviously that relationship doesn't end up working out and Jeremy's mom gets another boyfriend. We'll step dad number two. And he was incredibly abusive. He shattered the mom's cheekbone completely at one point. Jeremy tried to stand up for it and he got into a fist fight, altercation with step

dad number two. And apparently, the step dad just started giving him upper cuts to the face and then pounding him on the back of the head. There was one incident where he pushed Jeremy into a deep freezer so hard and apparently gave him a head injury. Now I don't know if he was taken to the hospital, but I mean there's got to be some sort of head trauma involved. Yeah, holy crap. This isn't sane. Now the mom on the other hand, you're thinking, okay, like, well she's a victim too.

There's gonna be a moment where she comes and she saves her son, yes? No, she was like a raging alcoholic, so after these three relationships failed, she still kept bringing around not so great men into the house, and they would abuse her too, they would abuse the kids, and they were constantly moving because she had dated very scary dudes, so they had to be on the move, they had to keep moving their houses, so Jeremy never really had this time to like make a bunch of friends to really settle down his roots. And he didn't do well in school. So by the time he's in the fifth grade, he comes in late every single day. So finally, the teacher's like, okay, all right, Jeremy, you can't keep doing this anymore. You got to set your alarm or you got to get your mom to set it for you if you don't know how to do it. And he just snapped in front of all of his class

mates. He like gets up and you start screaming like, my mom won't buy me an alarm clock. Just like raging at the teacher over something like this. And all the students were just terrified of him. So by the time he's like 13, he starts using alcohol and weed. Super young. He's like heavily using it. Then he starts going on to like ecstasy mushrooms acid. And his mom didn't care. His mom, and I quote said that she liked him better doing weed because it made him more calm and easier to live with. So there are claims that he had ADHD. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if there was like an official diagnosis of ADHD, but I mean, it's just the

mom's that he did. So I don't know. She seems like the type that just doesn't like kids, really, doesn't like them being loud. Because imagine you have a kid and you're like, I love when they're high off of weed, because they're calm. So by the time that he's in his teens, he tries to hang himself.

And that thankfully didn't, well, okay, well, I don't know if I can say thankfully in this situation because more people end up dying, but like, it didn't work. He gets hospitalized and he was okay. Now, at 15 years old, he had drank so much vodka that it's wintertime he passes out outside in Alberta Canada and he was hospitalized for hypothermia like it was just a lot so he also starts self-harming he cut himself on the arms a lot and he

said that he stabbed himself in the leg a couple of times and he would do it sober and also while he was under the influence. Now he would start writing poems about his scars, calling them eternal scars. He would talk about the pain of life, the pain of scars, the pain of wanting to create these scars. I mean when I read that poem it was just sad, like you can't help but kind of feel for this guy. If you didn't know anything else, you know, just this, it's like so sad. And then in high school the the bullying gets worse. Like, it was just so bad. He had to be transferred to a different class that was called the Integrated Occupational Program, IOP. It was for students that had learning difficulties. But a lot of the other kids called it, since it's called IOP,

they called it Idiots on Patrol. I'm telling you, high school kids are the meanest breed. They're the scariest meanest breed. So he said that he would rather be bullied than invisible. That's how everyone claimed he was. He actually kind of like acted on it. He'd rather be bullied. Yeah. You know, there's like two types of kids.

Like I don't know one that's like, I'd rather be invisible with a egg, but he would rather get the attention and he kind of got off on it. He kind of liked it better than no attention. At least someone was talking about him. At least someone was talking to him. And so because of that, he wanted to start trouble. He started like picking fights with a bunch of football players. And then he would run away to an adult immediately after.

So he'd like pick a fight, but then he couldn't like do it. Yeah. And he would just like run away, which then resulted in people teasing him. Because it's like, well, you're like a tough high schooler, what's going on? So he drops out in the 10th grade because his mom started having lung problems. So he's like taking care of her. He starts working a bunch of odd jobs, delivering pizza, working at a grocery store, a hardware store, a sporting goods store, literally all the stores.

And he tried to, he tried to fix his life. He tried to apply at the local college to finish his high school diploma. And that is when he heard finish his high school diploma. And that is when he heard that his grandparents passed away. And then he had this another meltdown. And he dropped out and things started going really downhill from there. He moves in to the tower of states with his mom and his sister, which is like a trailer park at the edge of medicine hats.

So it's like not the best area. And during the winter time, it was really cold. The utility bills were high. The water pipes would just be freezing. It was just not the best. So in front of the trailer, it was also very messy. They had a bunch of like used furniture, like a refrigerator just in front of the trailer, like outside. They had a couch outside of the trailer, like a workout bench, and then they had these like plastic storage containers. So it just looked like they were using these things, but they didn't have place for it inside. And

it just looked very just dangerous. So around this time his mom gets arrested for stabbing her boyfriend. It's just not a good, you know, not a good life. And so she was on a one-year probation and she kept breaching that probation because she kept trying to contact that stabbed boyfriend and Jeremy's relationships they were no good either. I mean you didn't really have a stellar example of what love was So when he was 20 years old he starts dating a 17 year old now She claims that he got her pregnant and he demanded no I didn't out let me get a paternity test No, the paternity test was demanded, but it was never delivered. So we don't know if he's got a kid out there.

Maybe he knows, but publicly I don't think we know. They broke up because she said that he had like this jackaline hide in him. She felt like throughout all this time that they were talking, she only knew 10% of his personality. Like one day he would be completely fine. And then in the middle of the night,

he would just wake up and just start talking to himself. It was really weird. And then randomly in the middle of the night he would just wake up and just start talking to himself. It was really weird, and then randomly in the middle of the night he would have like a crazy temper, but then the next day he would just be so charming, and the one thing that was consistent with Jeremy was that he was incredibly eager to please. He would spend every single dollar that he had, which was not a lot, and he was just super suggestible. That's what they said. He always agreed with his friends, he always agreed with his family He just wanted people to like like him

It's weird. Yeah, that's really weird. So yeah after this relationship breaks up his girlfriends just got younger and younger and younger Now some people argue it's because he's extremely immature. He couldn't even hold down a job He spent all of his time drinking smoking pot playing on an electric guitar Just like writing this like really deep dark twisted poetry about life, starts doing cocaine, but I don't know, that just like doesn't sit right with me. Even when you're like, okay I get it, your immature 21, date like a more immature 21 year old, or a 20 year old, you can find they're everywhere I was one of them yeah so he's just started staining like 14 or 12 year old says that your image yeah it says that you're a pedophile

legally speaking thank you yeah so the police all knew about Jeremy at this point um they considered him a sad case he would constantly shoplift from grocery stores, right? Bad checks, but nothing was very alarming. They never really thought of him as like this crazy danger to medicine hat. Like, oh my god, we gotta lock him up. Like, he's so violent. They didn't think anything like that. So Jeremy turns 22 years old, and that's when he decides to go Goth.

Just 22 years old, he's like, you know what? I really like this music. There was this one band and they had music called Bomb the Trendies. And it just was like a whole hate song, a bashing song about people who follow the latest fashion and pop culture. So like 90% of the world.

And he was just like, yeah, like I'm different. And he became obsessed with werewolves. And he firmly believed that he was a 300 year old werewolf and he would post on the social media website saying, you're the light when it's dark, you're the moon when I bark. It was so bad. I'm sorry. Real goth people called him a poser.

So like if you asked any real genuine goth person in the world, they would all say, no, he's definitely a poser. Like it seems like he's doing it to be edgy and for shock value because most Goth people, they're not violent at all. They're not occupied with death and killing and trying to seem cool. It's just like their lifestyle. They like this fashion, they like this music.

It's just weird. Like, he's like what those weird movies would display as Goth people and then everyone watching is like, that's not us. What is this? Now, in medicine hat though, Goth culture did have one thing that worked in Jeremy's favor, is that Goth culture had very few age barriers. Now no one would say, I mean obviously all of his friends when he started dating like

12 year olds they were like, this is disgusting, You need to stop. But it wasn't that alarming for a 20 year old to hang out with like, let's say a 14 year old in goth culture in medicine hat. So I don't know if it's different in other places because it's like, it's not like you're doing anything illegal, you're just friends, maybe in a mentorship, maybe you're guiding them and maybe you're like mentoring them and other things.

So you're saying like in the area in that community, there were different age groups. Like they all kind of hang out together, right? So they called saying like in the area in that community there were different age groups like they all kind of hang out together right. So they called them like the baby goths and then you had like Raven and trench coat who were like 19 21 years old and they were like hardcore goths and so they would kind of guide the baby goths that were like in middle school and high school and they would just teach them more about goth culture. I don't think that this was incredibly alarming. I don't know. I'm also not a parent so I don't think that this was incredibly alarming. I don't know.

I'm also not a parent, so I have no idea. Maybe it is alarming. What do I know? And so Jeremy starts hanging out with them, and he was really popular, especially amongst the young people, because he had a car. Now, he didn't have insurance. He didn't have a license, but he drove that car.

OK, so he had that car, and he had high status in the community. What really helped is that he could that car, okay? So he had that car and he had high status in the community. What really helped is that he could obtain alcohol because he was 22 years old. Now people claim that he had a fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. So this is when the mother is pregnant, she's heavily drinking alcohol. When you come out of the womb, it's, there's just a lot of issues that can happen.

That's why you're told not to drink when you're pregnant. There was no official diagnosis, though, because Jeremy's mom refuses to admit to drinking while she's pregnant. In order to have the FASD diagnosis, the mom has to straight up admit to the doctors that she was drinking, but she does admit to using other drugs like Codine while she was pregnant. This was prescribed by doctors at the time. She alleges, I don't know. And people with this disorder sometimes they have developmental problems and maybe they have this urge to hang out with people who are

younger than them because they have crazy social immaturity and they are constantly rejected by their peers of their age. Still not an excuse to me but like you can find whatever. So he's hanging out with these kids. Everyone freaking loves him. They said that he's super sweet. He's polite. He's fun. He's caring. He's energetic and he can drive us around. So he hangs out at the mall.

That was like the hotspot for all the gots, the food court. That was their place. Okay. You got the baby gots. You got the high school gots. You got the freaking college graduated gots. You got all the gots there. And they were just hanging out. They would alsohs there and they would just hang out.

They would also steal a lot and they would come back to the food court to compare how much each person has stolen, which again, side note, this does not represent goth culture just what was happening in the medicine hat mall, okay, that's it. And I'm sure there was a lot of regular goth people in medicine hat that didn't do this wack ass stuff, but like, that's fine. So this is where Jasmine and Jeremy would eventually meet. So Jasmine had just recently turned 12 and Jeremy was 22 years old. So he's gonna turn 23 soon.

So now you're looking at a 23 year old and a 12 year old. And so Jasmine, I mean, she was impressed by him. He was popular. He was like the life of the party. Everyone loved him. He was handsome. He was charming. So of the party. Everyone loved him. He was handsome. He was charming. So December 2005, they start kind of getting closer. They start going to these all ages punk shows together. They start hitting up the malls, the arcades, just like hanging out in the alleyways. Like that's what teenagers do, I guess.

And they start bonding over how shitty their life relationships are. So Jasmine's main problem at this time is that her parents found out that she was friends with 19 year olds and 21 year olds Raven and trench coat and they were just upset about it They were like we don't mind you dressing like this. We don't mind the music. We don't mind you hanging out with friends Other weekends, but why is it 12 year old hanging out with the 19 year old? There is no logical reason in any sane person's mind that I can come up with what like what? Yeah, it's not even what and so Jeremy's problem at the time any sane person's mind that I can come up with what like what yeah something like what and so Jeremy's problem at the time he was engaged to a girl by the name of Danielle but they were like drifting apart so he's like

what do I know I don't know maybe it's because she's like 12 okay I don't know how old Danielle was sorry but like just angry so Jasmine's problem gets more and more intense so Raven and trench coat they would call up her house and then her parents would intercept that phone call and then they would get more mad at her. So now she was like trying to get away with it and have these people have a girl call at first and then pass the phone to Raven. I mean she was just like doing the most. And Debra would confide in all of her friends. She would go she was in this like entrepreneurial class. So she would go to these classes and she would just say, I don't know, there's something about my kid. She's

12 going on 20. Like she would just be like, I don't know what to do. She carried two pictures in her wallet of Jasmine. One was her, just in her regular clothes and then one that she called, quote unquote, the Goth one. And it seemed like she was really proud of her either way. She just didn't know what to do about it. She'd like loved her. Whatever Jasmine wanted to wear or do, she loved her, but she just didn't have to handle all these old dudes. So then Jasmine, she goes to the school counselor and she starts complaining.

And she's like, I want to go into foster care. Now when your school guidance counselor hears that they're thinking, oh my god, you'll be in abuse at home. We need to figure this out. Right. We need to call CPS So she's like, what do you mean by that Jasmine? Is someone someone hurting you at home? Is someone hitting you at home? And she's like, no, no, oh god. No, they would never hit me. They're just so freaking annoying

And so the counselor is like, are you sure no one's hitting it? Nope, they're so annoying. I can't deal with them anymore. It was just like, so you want to be put into foster care at 12 years old because your mom doesn't want you to hang out with older boys. That's insane. So then 2006 rolls around. February 2006, Jeremy and his girlfriend, Danielle, or his fiance, Danielle, weird, they break up. And he starts posting online about the breakup He wrote on his social media post my love left me hanging by a rope

And he started DMing his friends and he said hey man. How's you doing? I wish I could kill Danielle. That's stupid bitch God she's so totally email I don't know what that means And so Daniel like wanted her stuff back Danielle was like hey Jeremy I want my stuff that I left in your trailer and he kept writing raw so like that's a thing that they kept saying like Anytime he was angry he would email his friends are like a lion R-A-W-R Yes, I think that's what people text back in the days

Yes, but it makes me so cringe He said, Rar! What do you think people are going to think about when people are texting today? Oh my god, I was thinking about that. So I saw this one TikTok side note that said, think about in 300 years, they're going to be studying our generation. Exactly. And what if there's some sort of like information gap and everyone who has ever posted on Twitter, I'm dead. They think people just started dying.

And there was this phenomenon of like posting on Twitter that you're dead. It's just weird. They're gonna think it's weird. Yeah, people are dead and they're like, let me just get up and type this and then back to dead. Exactly. People were weird back in the day. You never know.

And so he would say, RAR. And he would say, I'm very pissed off now because of women's bullshit. RAR. So Valentine's Day of 2003, Jeremy, 23 years old, asks out 12-year-old Jasmine, will you be my girlfriend? And she says, yes. So they go to their first official date at a punk show. And she said that she really liked him. He was sweet. He was attentive, thought he was really cute. Of course she didn't tell her He was sweet, he was attentive, thought he was really cute. Of course she didn't tell her parents, so he would do these things where he would pick her up from school. He would meet her at the mall. He would pick her up further down from the street.

She'd be like, I'm gonna go hang out with my friend Joss one and it would be like Jeremy picking up her from the down the street, you know. He never called the house, he only talked to her online because it's less likely that the parents would pick up the phone You know she has like to type in her little password for her MSN account That's what they were talking on and Jeremy's online persona was very alarming So a lot of these have dislikes so in his dislikes he wrote my heart being broken He very much dislikes that okay. He also dislikes home records Hippocrates li, and the sun. Like how very vampire of you.

Also, I think where wolves love the sun? I feel like they do. Don't they don't like wolves like sun? My dog's like sun. That's my train of thought. He said spider webs, but not spiders, because they are cool. K-E-W-L.

Oh, he's so cringe. He said he dislikes prostitutes. He likes to kill prostitutes, play with their insides, and then eat them. Among his other dislikes, he said he doesn't like accordions, like the musical instrument, pigs, cops, and the hard and word. So he's really just a disgusting, unlikable person. And his username, his profile name, was the sole eater.

So more and more, you have both of these just colliding. These worlds are colliding, and it's just becoming so, it's a shit show. So Jasmine, she starts getting more grounded, not because she's talking to these older guys, not because her family found out that she's dating Jeremy, but because one day, she's supposed to be babysitting her little brother, Jacob, who's like 8 years old. And her parents go off to work and she decides, you know what?

I'm kinda sick of this shit, like my brother is boring, I'm gonna leave. So she walks to the local 7-Eleven with her girlfriend and leaves her brother completely, without even telling him. So him being scared, it's like 9-time, he calls his parents and he's like, Yeah, so like like Jasmine left me. I don't know what to do, I'm freaking out. So they leave their little work event, they come home, Jacob was just terrified, and the parents were rightfully super pissed, so they grounded her.

They were like, we're taking away your phone, we're taking away your computer, and this is when Jasmine said, I couldn't take them anymore. And I quote. That's crazy. So after about a month of dating, Jeremy finds out that Jasmine is not 16 years old,

like he initially thought, but according to her online profile that she was 15, which is only an age gap of eight years, so he wasn't that upset about it. Soon, like a week after this, he finds out that she's actually 12, and he still decides to date her, and they start having sex.

12,23. So he's like supporting her through the time that she's grounded. Every night that she would sneak out of her room, go to the basement where they would just talk on the phone. So she would seal the landline, talk to him, she really liked him, he would sing her songs over the phone, serenade her songs that he wrote. So I can only imagine that they're horrendous. You know, if you're gonna sing to me, don't give me no basic rhymes, like sing me a Bruno Mars

song, a John Legend. These songs are out there, just sing it. And so she claimed that she was falling in love with him, Jeremy would write to Jasmine these crazy things like, you're the blood that flows through my veins. You're the sun breaking the cloud when it rains. My love for you forever, as we die here together. He's such a creep. They called each other cuddle bunnies, but eventually, Jeremy's emails would start getting increasingly dark. He would constantly tell this little 12-year-old girl that he's sadistic,

that he's at these twisted thoughts since he was 13 years old. He loves horror movies. Did you know that when he watches a horror movie he LOLs he laughs out loud, ROFL rolling on the floor laughing at the gory scenes and he likes to cheer them on and he tells her one time one time I was at the movie theater watching the land of the dead which is like a zombie movie and I just started laughing when they were killing everyone. I was like laughing. And I was like, do it again. And someone in the front row stood up and told me,

you're a sadistic fuck. I think that the front row person told him, shut the fuck up, but I don't know if I'm wrong. Because who screams you're a sadistic fuck? Like that one didn't even cross my mind. And he was like, but I couldn't help but laugh, man. I'm so big and bad. And he bragged about his ninja swords.

So he had a ton of these swords at home. I don't know if they were real, I don't know. But he wanted an authentic katana, which is the sword of a Japanese samurai, because it's extraordinarily sharp. And he says he has a special connection with knives because when he was 13 years old, a bunch of bullies, they came and they jumped him and they beat him up. And so since he was 13, he carries around a knife all the time.

And then he starts telling her about his favorite movies. So he's got two favorite movies, right? So I'm gonna give you the lesser one. His second favorite movie is Bully, which is a film about a group of friends who decide that they're gonna murder the school bully, and they lure him to the swamps and they butcher him with knives. Okay, so his all-time favorite movie, though, was called Natural Born Killers. And it had to do with a couple that go on a cross-country killing spree where they kill the girlfriend's abusive parents and then go through all the states just killing people. And this movie was actually based off of a real case

of Charles Starkweather and Carol Anne Fougate, who were spree killers. And they murdered 11 victims in Nebraska and Wyoming in the 50s. And this was like his favorite movie ever, which by the way, Robert Downey Jr. is in this movie. Whoa. Yeah.

And so is a Quentin Tarantino, I don't know if I ever say his name, right? Yeah. So he's like, yeah, these are my favorite movies. This movie comes really important later. Now Jeremy at the same time, he's got his whole life thing going on. There's this guy by the name of Jordan, which is his best friend, and Jordan was going through some shit time.

Like he was homeless at the time. There was just so much going on in his life. He was addicted to drugs. He was drinking a lot. And so Jeremy was like, hey, why don't you come and live with us in the trailer. Now Jeremy's mom, she was a shitty mom, but she took these kids in. She said, you know what, I love trouble teens. I have a soft spot for them.

So sure, you can crash on the couch for as long as you need to. And this is when Jordan said that he saw a really dark side to Jeremy. You know, he watched him cut his own hand and just start sipping on his own hand blood. And then he also mentions that he never drank it out of a glass or anything, he just like licked it off his own hand, which I wasn't thinking that, Jordan, I wasn't thinking that he was drinking it out of a glass, but thank you. Thank you so much for clarifying Jordan. I don't know. I mean, it's just... Yes, they were just... they're like in a different place. And so he tells Jordan that he's a 300 year old werewolf and he told all of his other friends

to don't come from a, don't, like if I'm going on a walk when it's a full moon, don't come with me, even if you want to, because I will tear you limb from limb. Y'all eat you. Now, Jasmine's parents, they're starting to get suspicious, like we feel like she's communicating with these guys somehow. So they actually bring her computer in to a computer shop to see if they can hack into the emiscent account of her daughter. And they couldn't.

They were like, I don't even think I can legally do this. So they just decide, okay, I'm going to take away her computer completely. Like, I'm just not going to let her have access to it. But Jasmine was smart, she would go to these public libraries, she would say, mom, can I go to the library to study? And then she would use their computers for free to keep emailing all of her friends. Now Jasmine was losing friends rapidly at this point because a lot of her friends were not on board

with her dating this creepy Jeremy dude. You know, they would constantly see them like kissing and all over each other and they would straight up tell her, like you shouldn't be with him. He is too old. This feels gross, like this isn't sitting right. And she would tell them, it's my choice. Leave us alone. So she kept telling our friends, everyone's wrong. You know, everyone keeps saying he's

23, but he's actually only 17. He's not. He's 23. And Jasmine later tells the police that she never asked Jeremy for his real age. And she just said, I knew he was a lot older, but I didn't want to know for sure. So anytime the friends would get together, it was no longer cute. It was no longer than watching movies and doing each other's hair and braiding their hair, she would just constantly be on the phone with Jeremy. Now Jeremy's friends, they're all starting to kind of get creeped out by this arrangement too.

They're like, buddy, what are you doing? You're 23, she's 12, I mean you're a grown man. You should have a job, not be hanging out with, I don't know, middle schoolers, that's alarming, but he didn't care. He just would constantly talk to the runaway devil and say things like, hey sexy, I miss you more than killing people. Can we get together and kill people together?

Teehee, love you tons. So their entire dream that they had decided on was to get married, get these matching tattoo rings and have this massive goth wedding and then move to Europe where they would buy a castle in Germany, a 100 bedroom castle in Germany and they would live there in happy married bliss forever away from her parents. Which like, what? When I was 23, I was looking for like the best rent in the town, you know, what do you mean by a castle in Germany?

I don't understand, Jeremy, what's going on? So Jeremy decides to give her this massive present that was his own vial of blood. He got his blood, put it in a bottle, and gave it her. And after this one gift, they start planning on how to kill her parents. So Jasmine, she starts getting slick with it. She's like, listen, I've had my phone taken away, I've had my computer taken away, I need something. So she decides, okay mom, I'm gonna go to family counseling with you. I'm gonna give you a little sum

and you give me a little bit sum. And her parents were really shocked that she agreed. They thought that she was gonna put up a fight, but they didn't. So they sit down with these family counselors and Jasmine was so attentive. Like during the entire session, she's like, yes, I wanna make this work.

No, I love you guys. And so because of that They said do you want your phone back or something like maybe we can give you supervised hours with your phone and your computer and she's like yes But I miss my friends so much So they're like all right. Well do you want me to drop you off at your friend like Jocelyn's house? And she's like no can I go to a punk rock show like I just want to listen to music and they said okay But we're gonna go with you and so she was like all right fine so they all pack up in the car if they go to this all ages punk rock show and during the middle of this craziness because I

can't even imagine how crazy that is the daughter Jasmine she's like all right well I'm gonna go use the bathroom but she wasn't using the bathroom she was sneaking off with Jeremy and they were making out in an alleyway so now the parents are freaking out like she should be back by now. We lost her, what's going on? So she starts, they start searching the entire place, they get her friends, and they're like Jasmine, Jasmine, and they find her in the alleyway making out with Jeremy.

So of course, the dad is furious because they can tell that this dude looks like he's in his 20s. Like he doesn't look 12, okay, he doesn't look 13, he doesn't even look 17. He looks freaking 20. So he's getting angry, Jeremy sees that, makes a run for it, just dips. And Jasmine, she was embarrassed, she was ashamed, and the parents were really angry, so they grounded her again.

But she's still emailing him from the libraries, and she would constantly say things like, I miss you, I miss you, I love you. And I also want to bang you. And these are the types of emails where you can start seeing Jeremy's insecurities. So he seemed to that, he didn't like you when she talked about sex rather than love. It's weird. Like she would say, oh, she would say sex, sex, sex,

oh and love. Like that was the way she just wrote an email called sex, sex, sex called sex sex sex sex sex and love and he said and love what does that mean why and love why isn't it love love love love love love like it was just weird he seemed really insecure and she was like oh no that's not what I meant and he was also really jealous that she was talking to Raven at the show and he just didn't like that so he starts calling her at night again and the parents intercept and they find out that it's the dude that was making out with her at the punk rock show

And they get even more mad and this time they kind of tell Jeremy off I don't know what they said to him. I'm sure it wasn't mean But it's just like hey, please stop calling our daughter. Like that's not okay, you know how old are you? And Jeremy gets a hold of Jasmine and tells her God your parents are so unfair My mother was nothing like your parents. Do you want to know why? Because my mom has been living on her own since she was 15. She used to hang out with 25 year olds and stuff, and she knows what it's like to be us.

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And Jeremy writes a very, very incriminating post on social media. My girlfriend's family are totally unfair. They say that they really care. They don't know what's going on. They just assume. As their greed continues to consume, she is slowly going insane. She continues to think that I came to her life to help her out and to stop what they've been trying to shout. It's all total bullshit. Their throats I want to slit. They will regret the shit that they've done, especially when I see to it that they are gone. Their blood shall be by payment. He likes poems. So she starts sneaking out in the middle of the night. Sometimes she was caught,

sometimes she was extra grounded, but on one occasion, she snuck out without her parents waking up and he picked her up and his mom's pickup truck and they ended up having sex that night. 23 and 12. That was the first time. Seems like it, but they continued on. And she had laid out pajamas on the deck, so when she got back, she put on her pajama pants and her whole pajama said, and as she's opening the door again, the dog starts barking.

So the parents wake up and they're like, what are you doing? Are you sneaking out again? And she's like, oh, mom and dad, are you crazy? Why would I sneak out in my PJs? I had a really bad dream, and I just wanted to take a walk in the backyard. And she doesn't know if they believed her, but they didn't question her.

Now, side note, I firmly believe that they didn't believe her, but they just didn't want that fight again. So Jeremy and Jasmine, they keep talking about like, this is a Romeo and Juliet situation. They're just like locking me up. This isn't fair. We got to run away to a castling Europe But they come to the conclusion that they can never run away because her parents would never stop looking for her They would track her down they will find her

So the only way that they can live in this castle in Europe is if they get rid of her parents for good and her little brother Because it would be unfair to leave him without parents. So they start running through situations together. Should we shoot them? Should we stab them? Should we knock them out and then set the whole house on fire? Should we poison their dinner? Now a lot of the friends that knew the two said that Jasmine was actually the puppet master,

and Jeremy was the puppet, which is not what you would think. You would think that the 23-year-old is the predator, the minds, the brains behind all of this. But a lot of people said Jeremy was literally an idiot. And Jasmine was incredibly smart for her age. I don't know, that's just what her friends said. So Jasmine starts telling her friends that she wants to kill her parents and they were not having the same reaction as Jeremy.

A lot of them actually stopped being her friend after this because they were like, what? Like don't even say that, what is your deal? Like you've really changed. Like I don't want to be your friend. Meanwhile, Jeremy's friends, they start overhearing Jeremy talking on the phone with Jasmine and Jasmine's asking, like, will you kill them? And he's like, I'll think about it. Like what? He even asked one of his older friends, like, how far would you go for love? And he was like, uh, probably not that far. And he was like, well, I don't have the courage to kill her parents on my own.

Will you do it with me? So he was going around just asking all of his friends to kill Jasmine's parents with him because he didn't have the courage to do it alone. So now fast forward to Saturday, April 22nd, when everything was supposed to be just a happy day. So Jacob and his neighbor were playing in the backyard. They had hot dogs that day that Mark had grilled in the backyard and the neighbors had seen that, but he was supposed to sleep over. Gareth was supposed to sleep over, but he had the hockey game that he was going to in the morning. So he's like, oh, I just see you tomorrow after the hockey game. And Mark, the dad, he just had his truck fixed and other than some of the problems with their

teen daughter, like life was good Jasmine was taking a bath on Saturday her friend actually emailed her asking her hey tomorrow on Sunday Do you want to go swimming or to the mall and she said I can't? In front said why why not and she never responded? So meanwhile this Saturday Jeremy is drinking smoking, all of his friends are over. And he starts getting mad at Jordan, the guy that was like living in the trailer. And he's like, why won't you kill her parents with me? Like why?

Why? And one of the friends overheard and they knocked on the door and were like, well, are you guys fighting? Like, what's wrong? And he just said, well, somebody's chickening out. And he walked away. So Jordan's trying to talk to him again, like, hey, you shouldn't do this. Like, I don't know what you're talking about.

You're crazy. Like, is it because you're high right now like what's going on? And he said if I find out that you or anybody else told the police about this I will kill all of you because I don't know who's the rat And Jordan's like so all these innocent people will have to be killed because one person said something Yeah, he said yeah So he starts inviting more friends over and he starts calming down a bit and they start watching natural born killers. His favorite movie.

Now one of the people that came, she becomes important later, is the blonde vampire. Her name is Casey and she's 19 years old and she's always at this massive crush on Jeremy and he knew it. So he would ask her to do just outrageous things for him. Like, hey, go to the store, buy me cigarettes and come over to my house. And she would just gladly do it. So she comes over to his trailer at around 11 p.m. and said that Jeremy was in good spirits and he was talking about the movie.

And he would kind of like fast forward and be like, oh, we got to watch this part again. We got to watch this part. And so there was a part in the movie where the female lead, they killed the dad for sexually abusing her and they drowned him in a fish tank and he stops it, looks at his friends and says, well Jasmine doesn't have a fish tank. So it's kind of like everyone was like, what, that doesn't even, that's weird. So then they start skipping forward in the movie

and there is this part where the main character after they kill her parents, her little brother appears. Now her little brother is not actually her brother It's her son and he was a product of the rape by her own father But they don't they don't kill a boy they set him free and he pauses it again And he says well, that's where it's gonna be different Jasmine's gonna kill her brother And everyone's like what I am alarmed that nobody called the police, you know, I'm just like so confused I mean I get it if you like say just things like,

I'm so mad I could kill her. But then like if someone's like, well, yeah, we're not gonna set him free. I'm gonna, I'm gonna murder him. I would call the cops. Yeah, I'd call the cops for sure. So you think all the friends thought that he was just bullshitting? Yeah, because he does seem like the personality that talks a big game. So they were like, all right, sure, sure. But also he's drunk and high. So that's when he leaves and he drives to his dealer's house. And nobody wanted to help him with the murder. So he decides I'm gonna get I'm gonna get some courage, cocaine courage. So he starts drinking more vodka, something called vampire wine. He starts smoking smoking, snorting coke. He did a couple

tablets of ecstasy. And then he starts driving to Jasmine's house. He picks up this little pine cone, and he throws it at her window, and she wakes up, and she's like, maybe downstairs, right? And so they go to the basement, and she opens the door for him, and he's in there. Now he's like stumbling around. He's like out of his mind, just like coked up, drugged up. I don't even know what I would call this. There's so much substance in his system. And he's got this knife in his hoodie pocket,

he's wearing mask, a mask, and all black. And when he's in the basement, so much noise. So Deborah, she wakes up in the middle of the night, only in her night, and she's like, oh my God, Jasmine's sneaking out again. So she goes into the basement, turns the light on, and that is when Jeremy just starts lashing at her with the knife, and she starts screaming,

and she put up her hands to defend herself and he lunged and stabbed her in the abdomen. So Mark, he hears this, he bolts out of his bed and he sees the scene of Debra on the floor, there's a masked figure in all black with a knife standing over his wife. By this point Jasmine had gone back into her room. I don't know why but but she just like left. And he grabs a nearby screwdriver and he goes at the attacker. And the only reason that I think and most people think that Mark went after the attacker is, if you were alone, you would run. But his kids are upstairs. So he needs to kill this person. Yeah, because he, yeah.

Persons attacking the wife. What the hell? Exactly? But it's like, you know, it's just goes to show that like he he his only thing was like protect the family not even about him So he grabs the screwdriver and he launches a Jeremy and he's a 200 pound dude and Jeremy is like a like a like a week little Bates and he tackles him down and he starts Pushing his thumbs into the eyes like you learn in those self-defense videos to Jeremy. Okay. So Jeremy is now on the ground and he's getting his eyeballs pushed in by this 200 pound man and he starts just slashing wildly with the knife and Mark was on top of him trying to

gauge his eyes out and he wiggled out from under him and tried to run. Now even after being stabbed, probably over a dozen times, he still gets up, Mark gets up and tackles him down again and starts choking him. And Jeremy stabs him some more. Now at this point, Jasmine runs to see this whole situation because she's like, what's taken so long? Well, I don't know what she was thinking, but she comes to see this situation. Her mom is there laying dead, I'm sure she assumes,

and her dad and her boyfriend are in this massive fight, like a death battle, almost. And she just like runs back upstairs. That's it, just runs back upstairs. And Mark kept asking, who are you, who are you? And then finally, he asked why? And the last words that Mark Richardson would ever hear is because you treat your daughter like shit,

it's what your daughter wanted. Oh. And none of those stab wounds were fatal, so he blood to death. Now Jeremy meets up with Jasmine in the kitchen, and she hugs him and kisses him and tells him that she loves him and says, all right, we'll just wait down here.

I need to go grab my stuff. That is crazy. She's like calm. She goes upstairs and that's when Jacob wakes up. And he goes to Jasmine and he's terrified. He's like, what's going on, Jasmine? What's going on? I'm scared.

I don't know what to do. And she said that she tried to strangle him to get him to go back to sleep. And he's clawing at her arm and saying, like, why are you doing this? What are you doing? What are you doing? And just like wiggling. So at this point Jeremy comes upstairs from the kitchen and he's dragging all of this blood up. He's that that he almost died, which like, I don't want to say that I wish he did, but whatever. So he's dragging up all this blood. He's drenched

in the parent's blood, just drenched and he allegedly tells her that we can't just leave him. So now this is where the story gets fuzzy, because Jacob was brutally murdered. He was stabbed in the face, and he was slashed in the neck. He was stabbed in the chest, but we don't know who the killer is because they keep blaming each other. So Jasmine admits to strangling him and stabbing him in the chest, but she said that she only stabbed him in the chest because Jeremy forced her to and then Jeremy says that he just watched her kill her brother

So it's all over the place Now Jacob's dead and Jeremy starts freaking out and he's like well, we need to go We need to go and he starts getting paranoid and he doesn't know how to wait and she's like just wait Like I need to pack my stuff which by the way the stuff that she packs is just it's gonna Scramble your mind she packs she steals her mom's purse her mom's wallet she packs clothes She packs her toiletries like she's going on like a weekend overnight trip and she packs Lavender bath bombs like bath beads I

Guess I guess she's like trying to take a bath! Soon, I don't know. Like it's... can you... I can't even think about that type of logic. It's like things that you truly packs when you're ready for a vacation. Yeah! Like a... yeah, exactly. Yes! Not even like a... oh shit, like I gotta go somewhere real quick. Like a go-bag. No, it's like a oh shit like I gotta go somewhere real quick like a go-bag. No, it's like a vacation Exactly. Let me bring my little bikini just in case. I don't know. Maybe there's a pool in prison

So she's like packing all of this and she's taking her sweet time So Jeremy he starts freaking out. He rushes to his truck and just starts driving He stops in the middle of the road, throws up, non-stop on the side of the road, and just drives back to the trailer. Now when he gets home, his friends are still there, and they're all asleep. So he goes into his room, he showers, and one of his friends wakes up to like hear him stuffing something into like a plastic bag. So by the time that they are all awake, like he is completely cleaned up, he did have a cut and a super swollen eye.

Like one of his eyes was just swollen shut. Now Jasmine, she's done packing, she She's like where the heck is Jeremy? So she freaks out goes to the yellow book that they have and calls for a cab Now she's like all right Well, I need cash for this and I don't have cash so she steals her mom's credit cards Goes to the 7-Eleven and takes out money from the ATM then comes back home to get into the cab and they go back to the trailer Wait, so Jeremy didn't drive her? No, she got a full-on cab.

He left her there? Yeah. What? Yeah, so after the cab driver drops her off, he just remembered that the whole ride, I mean, she was pretty calm. If anything, he was worried for her, because she looked young,

and now she's going to, like, the bad part of town, and she's getting off at a trailer, so he was like, man, I hope nothing bad happens to her. Not realizing that she herself is evil. I mean, I know she's 12 but still. And so they hug and they tell each other that they love each other. Then they immediately get into the car and they go to the dealer's apartment.

So he had just been there right before the murder, getting all the cocaine and the ecstasy. And now he's back, but now his eye is like swollen shut. I mean, it looked like something bad had happened. And the dealer said that Jasmine was just spaced out, like she had seen a ghost. And they sit down, they ice his eye, and he asked the dealer, hey, how do you clean a blood off of knives? And he said, what? And he said, yeah, not a knife, but knives multiple. And he was like, I don't really know. Then they walk into Cam's room, the dealer's room, and they have sex. So they have post murder sex. So now we're talking, you know, the next day, Sunday comes around. They wake up, they drive to the liquor store, and they go

to this like huge raging party at an apartment complex that was just like a few miles away. So they have thought about the aftermath. No, they just thought they would get away with it and like goodbye, castle in Germany. Okay. And I know your brain is like, I'm trying to understand. So they go a few miles away from where her parents' dead bodies were literally being found by the police around this same time. And they go to a party, like a full on party.

Jeremy had these sunglasses on to hide his swollen shut eye, but eventually in the middle of the party he just like takes it off grinning. Like he's like grinning and pride. And he's like, let me tell you about the crazy fight that I just got in. He didn't tell them about the murders, but he kept talking about like how he just like beat someone up. Oh yeah, he's such a bad bitch. So there was a girl that was there with a baby. She was 17. Honestly, side note, outside of Jeremy, I feel really bad for all of his friends. Like even when they testified, there are parts where you can just hear about their life story and it's just it's so sad. And so she was there and she met Jasmine for the first time and she said that Jasmine seemed so happy and like really nice and just really chill.

Which is really shocking. So on the couch in front of everyone, they just start like making out and dry-humping in front of everyone. And it's making people uncomfortable because at this point, they can kind of see, well, she looks really young. You know, when you look, you look old, what's going on here? And everyone kept saying that Jasmine seemed super happy, like she was giggling, she was laughing, she was rubbing up on him, and Jasmine would later tell the police,

but I wasn't happy. I was just trying to act normal and keep it together. I needed to make sure that he still loved me. What? So then James, there's this guy named James who arrives at the party and this is like a good old friend of Jeremy's. So he's like, what's up? James, like let me talk to you in the other room. Now, James said that this entire conversation lasted about 30 seconds. He met Jasmine and they immediately said, we killed my girlfriend's family last night and I gutted them like fish. That's what Jeremy said.

And he was like, what? And the fact that they were talking about it, like it was a completely mellow conversation, not that they were just admitted to murder. And he said, what? And Jasmine tells him, my little brother, Gargold, because he was choking on his own blood. And so he didn't believe it.

Because who, even if you did do that, who, who tells a random person at a party that, you know, I mean, they're friends, but still random. And so he's like, you guys are crazy. And he walked away, he didn't really believe it, but he still didn't want to be there. He was like, I just like, something feels weird. I don't want to be here. So he leaves the party and he goes back home. Now, Jeremy, he starts asking from, for favors like, something feels weird. I don't want to be here. So he leaves the party and he goes back home. Now, Jeremy, he starts asking for favors

from the blonde vampire. I remember the girl that's obsessed with him. He was like, hey, Casey, can you go to my place and wipe down my mom's truck? And she said, okay. So she goes and she starts wiping the seats clean. And she thought it was like rust. There was some material on some of the seats.

And she thought it was rust. It's probably blood. She removed all of the receipts, the empty bottles. you know, clean this car to be extra nice and she comes back to the party thinking like, oh, he's going to be so happy that I cleaned his car. But Jeremy seemed actually super agitated because at this point, there was talks about the murders. Nobody knew it was Jeremy, right? The police hadn't even revealed that it was Jeremy. The police at this point hadn't even revealed that Jasmine was missing. They just talked about there's murders like there's a crime scene. The news reporters were out there and he just seemed on edge. Now once they do release

the names of the family, James, the guy that just saw them at the party. He's like, what the fork? So he calls the police and says, yeah, they straight up told me this. And this would be completely incriminating evidence later. And then Jordan, the guy that used to live with him and his trailer, the roommate, the one that he begged to kill the parents with. He too thought it was kind of fake. Like he was just saying some nonsense when he was high, saw it on the news, went to the police station. And he was just like sobbing, giving his statement. Like, I didn't know it was real. If it was real, I would have done something. I didn't know. I didn't know. Like he was freaking out.

So the police were shocked because I mean, they had, they knew Jeremy. Jeremy was a rather timid guy. They didn't think that he was capable of committing violent crimes. Like he just, he had a rough upbringing and he did some dumb shit, but they didn't think that he was like that evil.

So they start trying to find them down and they start talking to all of their friends. And around this time There's a guy by the name of Mick at the party. I know there's a lot of dudes. So there's this dude What's the name? Mick like Mickey Mouse So he's like well, I live two and a half hours away So I need to go back home, but I need to ride now There was another girl who was a runaway

So her picture had actually been blasted on the news because her parents were like she's under age and she's runaway Like we need to find her and And so she was like, oh my gosh, people have been looking for me in this town of, you know, medicine hat. Why don't I go with you to where you live to in a half hours away and maybe I can stay with you. And Mick was like, oh yeah, you can totally stay with me. I'm sure my mom will be chill with that.

And so they all packed together in this car. We've got three girls and Mick, right? And it's a pickup truck. Three girls? Yeah, so there's it's a pickup truck. Three girls? Yeah, so there's the blonde vampire. And then there's Jenny, which is the dealer's girlfriend. And then there's Kaylee, who's the runaway. And then we've got Mick.

So there's four people in the front. And then that is when Jeremy and Jasmine were like, well, we want to go, but there wasn't any space in the truck. So they put down all of this blankets on the back of the pickup truck. And then they were... Do the people in the car know that they're murders? Nope.

Not yet. Oh yeah. So they put blankets all up in the pickup truck and they lay down and put blankets on top of them. And they just stay hidden in that pickup truck for the two and a half hour drive to the city of leader. Now what's weird is that they were actually laying on his plastic bag of bloody clothes the whole time. I'm just like he didn't dispose of it he just

brought it with him. Hmm. I see. So they get to that dude's house, mix house, and his parents immediately said, yeah no, like no. I don't know. Are you crazy make like you thought you thought two and a half hours ago that you were just going to bring your friends here and I was going to be like, yeah, they can have a sleep over. I love housing runaways. Like no, so Mick was like, all right guys, sorry.

Bye. And he goes into his warm house. And now we've got the three girls in the couple. And they're essentially like homeless. They didn't have money for gas. They didn't have money for anything. So they're like, all right, well, we have weed. So let's just smoke weed and try to sleep in the cold car.

And it was just not a comfortable night. Now, at this point, all of their faces are on the news, not Jeremy's, okay? But, you know, Jasmine says, there's just saying, this is a missing girl, this is a missing girl. And the police also revealed on the news that they might be in leaders,

they might be in like neighboring towns, like neighboring cities. We don't know. So there was a rookie cop. be in like neighboring towns, like neighboring cities. We don't know. So there was a rookie cop. This was like his second shift on the job. And he was like, he woke up in the middle of the night and he's like, you know what? If they're headed to leaders, they're gonna need gas.

They're eventually gonna need to go to a gas station. And there's not a lot in this small town. So he decided to stake out at a gas station for hours in an unmarked vehicle. I mean, that's smart too, right? I know, this rookie cop ain't a rookie. He thinks, actually. Yeah, because there are so many cops who have been on the job

for like 20 years, and I'm like, that's your thought process, but this guy, this guy I might trust him with my case, okay? If I had a case, I might trust this man's. And so he's just like waiting there the whole time, and it took a while So the girls they sleep and then finally they were like all right Well, let's go to the gas station like we need to buy some water and stuff

They get to the gas station the couple is hidden in the back of the pickup truck So they're still covered in blankets. They're not leaving into the gas station just the three girls now So they go in they buy some water and they see newspapers filled with the Richardson family's faces all over them, just like family brutally murdered overnight in their house, murder house, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh my god, we should buy one to like show Jasmine, because her parents have been murdered. That's crazy. So they're like, all right, well, let's get some hot Cheetos first. They're like, buy their stuff. They don't like run out. You would think that they would just like run out. But they're like, all right, well, can I get a pack of gum too?

And they're just like buy all of their stuff. Then they go out and they show Jasmine in the back of the truck. Now at this point, the girl still did not believe that these people are murderers. They're like, oh my god, Jasmine, your family has been murdered. And she just started giggling. And they're like, what? And Jeremy was like, well, let me see that.

And at a picture of her when she's not in all of her like goth wear. Like it was in a social media picture. It was like a yearbook picture or something. And she was just like, that doesn't even look like you. And they're just giggling. So the three girls, they get back into the truck and they start driving away.

Now the rookie cop, he's following them. He had seen them at the gas station. He just thought it was weird. It was an Alberta plates. So it wasn't even their town. So he's like, something's weird. Like I got to follow them. So he starts following them calls for backup. And then finally they stop at like a high school parking lot to like do more drugs and stuff. And the police had enough backup to arrest them. So they come and they get the first three girls out and they check the trunk. They pop open the blanket and they see that the blanket is rising and falling. There's another blanket and they're like, it looks like someone's breathing on there. So they pull over that blanket and they find the couple.

And Jasmine, 12 years old, did not have her pants on. Oh my god. They all get arrested and because he called for backup, Jeremy was put into a police vehicle and the three the girls all of them were put into a different vehicle because they didn't want to you know mix them all together and Jeremy's last words before getting put into the police car was to one of his friends saying tell my mom that she can have my TV and that I love her I know I know he's like laughing. This whole case makes me feel like I have no brain cells.

Like I have to double read everything because I'm like, wait, what? Did he really say that? No, I must be reading it wrong. I wasn't. So the girls, they're sitting in that one car. And the whole thing that they're worried about is not about murder, is not about Jasmine's family being murdered. It's about, oh my god, do you think they're gonna charge Jeremy with rape of an underage girl?

And so they start colluding, and so the girls decide, alright, we're just gonna tell the judge that the cops raped you, because your pants were down. So you're just gonna say that the cops pulled your pants down, and then raped you. And she's like, yeah, sounds good. Why are they helping hurt with that? I don't know. And then they start talking about, what if they search us? Like, what if they search our orifices? Like, what if they search our, you know,

because they look in your butt when you go to prison to make sure you're not smuggling things in? And then they were giggling. And Jasmine says, well, it wouldn't even be sexy, even if it was a hot cop because I still really like Jeremy. What? What? So, less than 30 hours since the murder of her entire family, Jasmine and Jeremy were charged

with three counts of first degree murder of her family. At 12 and a half years old, she was the youngest person in Canada to be charged with multiple homicide and the press went freaking nuts. So they start questioning Jasmine and the police broke a ton of laws in questioning her. Like a ton. So she asked for an attorney multiple times and the police straight up said, yeah, yeah, let me get you a phone book to contact the attorney. But then they would just like not get her the phone book.

They would just keep asking her questions. So they decided to play father and good cop, cool cop. So father cop and good cop. So instead of good cop, bad cop, right? They said one time we're gonna have this one guy come in and try to be like a dad, like a dad figure, like, it's okay, sweetie, it's okay, you wouldn't tell me anything. You're not in trouble.

But when they tried that, she just kept crying and crying and crying. And finally they were like, all right, young cop, let's go. So he's like in his 30s, he looks cooler, he looks fitter, you know, he looks, he looks like he could be cool outside of work. And he comes in and he's like, my name's Chris. His name's not even Chris. He's like, my name's Chris. And he starts like joking around with her. He's like, oh, is that how you write your S's? Like, that's weird. That's an ugly S. And she immediately liked him. She was like, I like you. You smell nice.

Weird. So she mentions Stram a couple times that she feels like she shouldn't be here because she should probably have a lawyer, but he was just like, nah, it's good, it's good, you just need to like cry it out. Yeah, and so her first story about all of this, he's just like, you need to tell me what happened, okay, no, half's truth, you know me, we're friends, we're best buds. So just tell me the truth, you know, just tell me the truth. So her first story was that, well, the plan plan was to run away and that night I had snuck out It was Saturday night and I told I told Jeremy I got to run away So he's like all right. I'll drive you back to your place

You get your stuff and we can run away forever And I went back into the house and the back door was open and my parents had been murdered coincidentally And he was like what and she's like, yeah, so I saw them and they were really bloody and they were obviously dead so I went to go grab my stuff and then I left and the whole time she had no emotion when telling this story and he even asked her like you don't think it's strange that you have no emotion and she was like nope that's the truth and he said swear swear and she waited a minute looked at him and said, fuck. And he almost bust out laughing.

Why? Because he meant like swear, like promise, but she thought that he meant swear, like say a cuss word right now. So she said really? Like, fuck. Oh no, are you kidding me? And this is like the moment where you're like, God, I keep forgetting she's 12. You know, like, what?

What is going on? Yeah, he's, I'm sorry, I'm laughing because like just the incredible, what the fuckness of this entire story is making me so uncomfortable. But like, yeah. And he was like, what? And he almost, he tried so hard not to laugh. And so he was like, all right, well, that doesn't make sense to me. So let's try it again.

So our second story was like, all right, you're right. Jeremy did it. But I didn't know. I didn't know that he was going to do it. I just kept saying like things like, I was just joking around with him, like JKLO Welling. Like, oh, I want my parents to die. I didn't know that he would actually kill them, but then he did. And so they're like,

well what about your brother, Jacob? And she said, well I did strangle him because I didn't want him to feel pain. Like I didn't want him to know that my parents were dead. Like I didn't want him to live a life without his own parents. So that's it. But then I, I wasn't the one. I wasn't the one that killed him because you know Jeremy came up and was like, you need a kill your brother or I'll kill you. And he was like, I can't kill my brother. And he was like, do it now. So I stabbed him in the chest

because I was getting pressured, obviously. And then afterwards, I couldn't do it. So Jeremy came over and just started, you know, stabbing him some more. [♪ more fun music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing opening back up, I just heard on TikTok a couple weeks ago and I've been trying to prep that Hot Girl Summers back on. So you know what that means? Stephanie Sue's social anxiety is through the roof might I add. That is something that has been interfering with my happiness for a really, really long time.

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I bring you a piece of paper and they're pen? And you write a little apology to your parents about everything that happened. We'll just keep it and are a little, you know, we're not gonna, we're not gonna show anyone. Yeah, they're gonna show everyone okay. And so this was like their way of getting a written statement, but they, you know, posed it in a way of apology. And her apology is weird. She doesn't say dear mom and dad.

She says, dear, my lovely parental units, weird. I am writing in response to the events of Sunday morning. A terrible thing has happened. Something I feel was all my fault. You must know that I love you all dearly and are in my prayers. I wish I could take everything back. I wish it didn't happen.

I wish you were here with me right now because now I have no one. You know, I just wish that you would forgive me and Jeremy because he was under the influence of mind altering substances and did it out of love for me. He is most possibly the kindest person I've ever met. His wish is for my happiness through all the fights and hatred exchanged.

I still love you. I'm sorry my sarcasm was taken to the heart. I never meant to harm you. I pray you would be at peace somehow. What? That's so mean. Like it's so mean and cold, but also how would you... Is that a confession? Not really, right? I mean, kind of, that she like...

kind of, I guess, that they were involved. But I just think it's so strange in the fact that she like even mentions how amazing Jeremy is the murder of her family. Yeah so I'm still waiting on the moment that she realized how dumb this relationship, this love or whatever is. The moment never comes. Oh still till this day. Well you'll see. So then Jeremy he gets questioned and his arrest is all over the news. Okay, his whole weird fantasy about being aware of all over the news too, because these internet people, they're really good.

The minute that you're on the news, they're like, well, look at this social media profile that I dug up. And they keep telling him, like, you look like a wacko dude. The police straight up tell him, like, you look funky fresh. They're saying that you're a predator predator and then you brainwash that girl So like tell us what happened Jared air just tell us where your buds and so he okay So Jasmine she's calm. She's collected. She's 12. Jeremy was a basket case. That's what they describe him as a freaking crazy just

Sobing just like not flying out of his nose and he's like you don't think that I tried to talk her out of it. I did, but when I did, she got up there with me and you can ask whoever knows me, like things got out of control, but I would do anything for her. They say love is blind. I would do anything for that girl. And they're like, what? So tell us what you did. And he said, well, we were gonna run away together. And I snuck into the house and her mom saw me. And I just freaked out, guys. Like, you gotta believe me. I just freaked out.

And I always carry a knife on me. So I just started slashing at her. And then the dad came. And he came at me with a screwdriver. I thought for sure I was gonna die. You know, he's big. And so I just started stabbing him. I didn't want to.

You have to believe me. I didn't want to. And it was just all a big blur. I was so high. I was so drunk. And then she killed her brother. And they were like, what? Yeah, I went upstairs and I watched her cut her own brothers throat. And she was really calm.

She was really calm, she just walked to the bathroom. She was in crying, she was in panic, she rents the knife. And then she said, all right, well, I have to pack my stuff. And he said that he was so shocked that he went downstairs and started freaking out, just started freaking out a lot, and he left. Wow. So again, to this day, we don't really know which one's true. And then the police said, all right, well, are you gonna get you a pen and paper

so that you can apologize? And he said, how's that gonna help? Everyone already hates me. And they leave the room and the cameras are still rolling. And he says, I hope everybody is fucking happy now. And he bangs his head on the table. And he says, fuck. And then, I'm sorry. It's the way I said it. It's the way I said it. No, I can picture it. I can see it. He bangs his head on the table. He says, I fucking hate myself.

And he bangs his head on the table again. And then the cops, he would think that they would come in and be a little sympathetic. But they're not. They're like, hey, you gotta stop fucking banging your head on the table. Or is it just leave? It's so, what the fork. I just don't understand. Wow, that's crazy. The girl was more calm than him. More calm.

So then the police decide that they're going to do something crazy. We're going to let them write love notes to each other, but we are going to be the ones delivering it so we can read each note every single time, they're sneaky. So they would write about how much they love each other, how they could go back in time and run away together, and when he mentioned that, Jasmine said, in due time, we'll have our castle. We can't obsess about what could have been. I am not whole without you. Enjoying sorrow, my sweet six, six, six. That's like my sweet devil I guess. Sweet six six six. Yeah and so they also compare themselves to the movie characters and natural born killers. They also which I hate. They call themselves Bonnie and Clyde okay. If you're Bonnie and Clyde you

guys both are gonna go to jail or end up dead or you guys are just toxic okay. Bonnie and Clyde is not hashtag relationship goals. It's just not at all. And they would say things like my lawyer tells me where legends, but they spelled legends wrong. And she said, huh, close to immortality, it would seem. So she's saying like, we're almost immortal because we're such legends. And then he proposes to reveal love letter in prison and she accepts his jailhouse proposal and they talk about how the world is against them and then eventually they stop writing letters to each other because the police don't want any more information so they just stop delivering it they were just alright we're good

wait so this happens after their arrest and they're just constantly talking about their love yeah after their arrest which comes to bite them in the butt. And then Jeremy, now that he can't write love letters to his girlfriend, he starts calling someone outside of prison, a 14 year old by the name of Morgan. She had always been like a huge fan of his, and I don't know how you can be a fan of someone. Like, he's not like an artist, he's not like a poet. I don't know, she's like a fan of his, okay?

And they would talk on the phone, she would record every single phone call because she wanted to memorize his voice. She would stand outside of jail, hoping that he would look outside and see her devotion. Now, during the hearings, she wasn't the only one though. A ton of fan girls came out and these girls were crazy. They were dressed like in head to toe black and one of the girls would just dramatically collapse onto her knees in front of the court. How's just sobbing and all the locals were like, this is disgraceful.

One of them was writing about it on a blog post saying, like, one of them had a freaking finding Nemo backpack for crying out loud, like these are tiny little children. Why are they here supporting this 23 year old mass murder like what? What? A 14 year old girl wrote on her blog. You don't even know him like we do. All you see is evil We will see him as loving, caring kind. You see him as danger, a threat. We see him as a brother, a friend Nothing can change what went wrong. Nothing can change what we feel. Nothing can change a friend. Nothing can change what went wrong.

Nothing can change what we feel. Nothing can change our hearts. Nothing can change our people. And they decided that they were gonna go mosh for him every day. And I was like, what's mosh? It's a mosh pit at a punk show, you know, like the middle pit where everyone just like

is jumping on each other. And you don't wanna be in the mosh pit because you usually get injured. So all these girls would have 43 drawn on their face, which was Jeremy's football number in high school that he only played for like, I don't know, like two months and never actually played on the field and was not gonna football,

but they drew his football number on their face and people were disgusted by this. I would say majority of people were disgusted. And of course, the goth culture, the goth lifestyle got a bunch of backlash because of this case and they're like, we didn't even, what do we do? So, Jasmine's friends started posting about hating Jeremy. One of them said, you know, he brainwashed our front. She's only 12. This is disgusting. And someone called Fat Elvis responded. These are public posts. And said, no offense, but there is no way Jeremy brainwashed your friend.

He would lose a battle of woods with a squirrel. Wait, what? Saying that there's no way that Jeremy brainwashed your friend, because if he got into a fight with a squirrel, he would lose in terms of smartness. Oh my god. So it was just savage out there. To savage, but not Morgan. She stood by him. They had plans to get married when she turned 18. I don't know if those ever followed through, but she was really excited. She kept an album of all the media coverage

on the story and she named the albums, Hell number one through four. She had four scrapbooks of just press releases about Jeremy. So they're transporting Jeremy to the courthouse one day. And they do this effectively. So they have a bunch of inmates in a transportation vehicle, and they go to the courthouse, they go back to jail, right? Yeah. Now, while they're transporting Jeremy, the police officers are driving it. Here him talking to a fellow inmate saying, yeah, she did the eight-year-old and I did her parents.

It was all her idea, but you know, when someone you love asks you to do something, you do it. I tell you straight up, man, like her dad came at me with a screwdriver and stabbed me in the eye. The eight-year-old will be with me the rest of my life, though. She's fucked up in the head and one of them dead anyway, so. The eight-year-old, so what? Like, the death of Jacob will always stay with him.

Because it was so tragic for him I guess. Oh. Okay, side note, sorry, I realized that I laughed a lot in this, but like I'm not laughing because this is a funny story. I'm just laughing at like... I think there's a lot of what the fuck live is. Yeah, but like I'm trying to find some sort of like okay, what? Yeah, wait so the police hurt him saying that to a real inmate

so they're like, what is that evidence? But it's not solid enough. So next time they said, let's have a setup. So they make this whole fake courthouse appearance. They wire up the van and an undercover police officer pretends to be an inmate. And they are literally recording all of it. So they're like, if you didn't want, he's going to do it again.

So they sit down and they really administered this thing, orchestrated it. There's usually a wall dividing the prisoners, but they took it out so that he would be more talkative. And the undercover officer slash inmate now is like sitting there talking about how, you know, his girlfriend was being annoying, you know, all that shit. Like, what are you in here for? Like, all tough. And Jeremy was like, you heard about that triple homicide? No shit.

Yeah, you're looking at him. Damn. And he was like, no shit. Fuck, your famous brother. And he said, yes, so I've heard. And he goes on to say, me and the old lady have become legends. So, you know the term old lady.

No. That's like what older men use to describe their wife. Like the old ball and chain, me and the old lady. Okay. But your old lady's 12. I know, right? So, okay. So he's calling the girl.

Yeah, so he's trying to girl. Yeah, so he's like trying to act like so tough and like, you know, like so old and Me and the old lady we've become legends and he starts talking about how he hates his cellmate And he's ready to tear his heart out and make him eat it because his cellmate is pissing him off And he starts talking about how he's not into guns. He's into knives. He loves Japanese swords And he's like do you ever watch natural born killers? And he's like, well, it's the greatest love story of all time. But we just started our own love legacy. Someday, they're going to make a movie on it.

And then he's like, oh, yeah. And he starts talking about the charges. So Jeremy thinks that he's going to get off on at least one or two charges because Jasmine killed the brother. And the dad came out at men with the screwdriver, so that's technically self-defense. So he's only getting a charge for one murder, probably. Not even.

And then he's like, oh yeah, well tell me about your relationship. And Jeremy starts telling him, well I treat her like a fucking queen, you know? Get outta here, like I'm so good at her. You know, once we get out, I'm going to save up so much money. We're going to go buy one of those old castles in Germany. She loves the idea. When you look at this continent and Canada and the US, there's no castles. This just mansions. She just really wants a castle. The police officer said that it took everything in him to not

bust out laughing because he was like, how is he so serious? He's 23, a high school dropout does drugs all day, but also like he's gonna be in prison probably forever and he's talking about buying a 100 bedroom castle in Germany. I don't even think Jeff Bezos can get one of those, Kenny? Probably, never mind. So he says, yeah, we figured out, like we're gonna go buy a castle and any of our friends that are still our friends, you know? We're going to invite them to come live with us because

well, it's just me and her and then we'll probably have a couple of kids, but like, castles have like a hundred rooms or whatever. So they're going to live with us. So once we get out of here, we're going to get married, have a goth wedding, get these tattoo rings. And he also, what I noticed with the like some of the transcripts of this was that he kept adapting to the language that the fake police officer or the fake inmate was using. So I, in all of his emails, I did not hear him say this word, but he kept saying, fucking, like not fucking, but like fucking, like fucking, we're gonna get married. Like fucking, we're gonna do this, you know, it just seemed weird. I don't know. I don't know if that means anything. And like my old lady, he's never called her that.

He called her like cuddle bunny and shit. So he's like a changing molding into different things. Yeah, he does seem very like suggestive. Like I remember all of his friends were saying. So then he starts describing in detail how he killed the parents. He said that he went upstairs to watch the old lady slit her brother's throat.

Didn't bother at all. She didn't cry. Actually the next day she was laughing about it. She's got a few screws loose. And then he starts talking about how he's really pissed off with the way the news media is portraying them. He said, you know, there's people going around saying that I'm 25 and she's 12. Fucking utter bullshit man. I just turned 23 and she's gonna be 13. She's legal age. Everyone is like, how did you get such a young girl? It's called being a ladies man. You know, you know what they want and you give it to them. I think, Jeremy, Jeremy, if I could just,

sidebar, Jeremy, if I could just pull you to the side. I think when they asked you, how did you get such a young girl? I think they were asking like, were you hanging out? I don't know At limited to justice at the baby section and target were you hanging out at the preschools like that's what they were wondering Not like how did you how did tell me we want to know your tips, you know It's like that's not how they were talking about it Jeremy like you're crazy So this undercover work. I mean he admitted to the killings described in detail the murder of Mark and Deborah and

Accused Jasmine of killing the brother. So this was like done deal. This was gonna seal the deal in court So Jasmine trial starts first and the spectators were disappointed people who could actually see her Very briefly because she was under age. It's a very private trial They said she wasn't the runaway devil anymore. She was wearing this like lavender blouse trial. They said she wasn't the runaway devil anymore. She was wearing this like lavender blouse. She had her hair tied back and she looked so young. It looked like she was going to a country fair pie bake off. That's what they said. She looked so freaking innocent. So the whole defense of this was that I'm 12. I was under the control of a predator. I never wanted the murders to happen. I was just saying things. You know how kids do that blah blah blah blah blah blah. So

she finally dropped him. She switched on him. Yes, finally And he did it. Oh, well, he kind of will okay, but we'll only about the whole Jacob thing Right, but right now she's saying that everything's him right? Well, that's what her attorneys are saying But when she goes to testify. Yeah, she looks so excited to talk about her love relationship with Jeremy Like she looks genuinely excited. We are so excited. Okay. So the judge throws out the whole confession that she gave the lawyer.

Because they were like, well, this is, y'all broke so many laws. So that was super shady. They threw it out and she ended up testifying the trial in the trial. And everyone said that she's a little Carla Hamolka. We covered this on our YouTube channel. Barbie and Ken Killers. This was like months ago. Don't know if you remember.

Do you remember? I remember them by the time I went to the hospital. This happened in Canada. She, you're gonna remember when I tell you this detail. She was not a virgin when she met Paul and Paul really wanted a virgin. So as a Christmas present, she sacrificed her younger sister.

Remember while her parents were at home, they video recorded it. He assaulted the sister and then they killed the sister. Mm-hmm. It was like a whole thing. But when she testified, she too was empty and then they killed the sister. It was like a whole thing. But when she testified, she too was empty in the eyes, emotionless, and she gave a sibling to her lover, just like how she did. You know, Jasmine gave up her sibling to her lover to be murdered. Obviously, different contexts, but

they just kept comparing her to Carla Homolka, and she testified and she was soft-so spoken most of the time. She talked about how they had sex after the murder. She said it was because she was scared and he was trying to make her feel better. And she seemed to swoon when talking about their relationship. That's what everyone said. She seemed to swoon. She just seemed like, oh yeah, this is how we met.

Weird. But when they asked her if she's still in love with him, she said, nope. Now the damning part on Jasmine was that the prosecutor, they asked her if she's still in love with him she said nope. Now the damning part on Jasmine was that the prosecutor they asked her so you don't want this to happen. No? But did you know that they were dead for sure? I wasn't even thinking about it they were dead. I was too busy freaking out. I didn't want them to die. I just said stuff like sarcastically like I wish my parents were dead, but you didn't call an ambulance. You didn't call 911. You didn't tell your brother to call 911,

you didn't call any of your friends parents, you didn't call any of your aunts or uncles, you don't run next door, you don't sit down and just cry, you don't rush to help your parents after seeing your mom covered in blood, you don't try to like, when you see your dad and Jeremy fighting,

you don't at least yell, stop it, stop it. None of that, I was just so terrified, I was panicking and I couldn't think I didn't even know what to do It didn't even occur to me to call 911 so when you go to 7-Eleven you didn't tell the cashier You didn't ask them for help you didn't tell them something happened nothing you got into the cab and you ran straight to Jeremy And so she keeps claiming that none of this was planned So then she's saying, well the prosecutor's saying, well if there's no plan, why wouldn't you have

begged Jeremy to stop? Why would you let your brother die? But also, why don't you say in any of these jail house letters, this was a horrible mistake, this was a misunderstanding. No, I didn't want you to kill them. You didn't do any of that. And then at the end they asked, your parents loved you too much to let you run away, didn't they? Yes. They would have looked for you for as long as they were alive, wouldn't they? Yes. They adored you, didn't they? Yes.

So the whole thing with pre-meditation, they were just saying, you know, Why didn't she call 911? Why didn't she tell her brother to run? If her parents were getting murdered by this evil guy, Why didn't she check to see if anyone was alive? If she was so afraid of Jeremy, why did she run straight to him with a bag of clothes, toiletries, and those lavender bath beads? Why didn't she run to her neighbors for help? Instead, she ran to her family's killer, had post-mortar sex

with him, went to a party lesson 12 hours later, and giggled and made out with him on the couch in front of everyone. So the jury found her guilty on all three counts of first-degree murder, and I see you nodding with a content face. I'm about to ruin it. So November 2007 comes around, and it's time for sentencing. Because of Canadian law, the max sentence she would receive was six years plus four years of probation,

and she would receive some of the best mental health care available. They were setting aside $100,000 a year for her mental health treatment. She was actually eligible to use $1 million in taxpayer money in mental health care while she was being held for her crimes. Now, we do know that she was probably diagnosed with something, but we don't know what, because, you know, she was under diagnosed with something, but we don't know what, because she was underage, so the records have been sealed. She had served 18 months in jail already, so the next four years she would be in custody,

not in prison, but at Alberta Children and Youth Services, a mental health facility that had a pool and other recreational stuff. They said that she wouldn't have freedom, though. She would have an escort, but you're not talking any cells or doors and you're talking a patient room. So after her probation, if she commits no more crimes, her data will be expunged. So at 22 years old, she can work in daycare, she can do anything, she can have a job and she never has to tell anybody about her past. And they can't find find it even if she gets pulled over by a cop They can't find it. That is so scary. And she's out and free right now. I'm true. I truly hope she's good now because

This could be very very scary. I mean she was 12 right so I feel like she was she is young enough maybe Yes, that's what everybody hopes Everyone hopes you have but I've also heard a lot of the band stories you've told But also on the flip side like 12 is so young to be doing something like that. So is that bad? What to me is like what scares me most is her reaction afterwards yes The letter she wrote in jail, like the constant, just she, there's no remorse, there's no, I thought I was waiting for the switch to be flipped.

Like she realized. For her to be 12 again and like, oh my god, yeah. Yeah, just realizing what happened. But. And she was 12 years old in six months. If this had happened six months earlier, she would not get any jail time. Because Canada, the age of criminal responsibility is 12.

That's crazy. So Jeremy's trial in 2008, he tried to argue that he had a rough childhood, he was bullied, he had alcoholic parents, he's an alcoholic himself, blah, blah, blah, blah, but then the whole thing was like, yeah, you and so many other children, but you committed a mass murder.

But like, what? So he claimed that it wasn't planned, that he was drugged up, he was freaked out, and it was all self-defense, and Jasmine Kilder brother is like crazy. No one believed it. The whole thing in the car, the wiretapping of him being like, oh yeah, murder them. That was played for the jury. So he was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison with no parole for 25 years. And still to this day, we don't know who's responsible for Jacob,

but the book pointed out something that I find to be very very fascinating. It's the fact that I think that this case is so scary because you think no 12-year-old can possibly kill her family. Like if she does, there's a reason. Was she abused? Was she raped? Was she neglected? Was she controlled and brainwashed by maybe a predator? Maybe a cult? Maybe she was drugged up? Or maybe she's like severely mentally ill?

But we just like don't know any of that for this one. Maybe she was severely mentally ill, but up until that point nobody saw any signs, no counselor, no teacher, no family friend, nobody saw any signs of mental illness. So we just have no idea. Was she just evil? I don't know. So she was released with a new identity. It seems like she's probably still living in Canada. I think that's why I feel like it kind of makes me a little scared too. Yeah. Because if you know someone who's abused,

who has these traumas, then you feel like, okay, let's help her, right? Let's help this person. But for this one, I just, I don't know. It's just leaving me with a very uncomfortable, yeah, I hope nothing happens. If anything happens in the future, it's like reaffirming me like, oh shit.

I knew this was, you know, this feels wrong. But I think the scary part too is that because her record is completely expunged other than someone looking at her face and then looking at the pictures, the very few pictures that were released of her. Yeah. Like imagine, just like it's married. Imagine being her husband. That's what I'm saying. Like the bam story you taught, you're like, these people had a past that was sealed. Yeah. And then one day this happened and everybody shook

because the law was protecting them and turned out they're this person. It's so scary. I think there needs to be like an international database of people who commit crimes, violent crimes, and also stalkers. There needs to be a database like sex offenders. If you've been arrested for stalking, I would love to know. There needs to like imagine you go on a date with someone and you can just google if they're, you know, a stalker. You probably wouldn't go on a date with them because what if you don't like them after the first date?

Are they just going to freaking stalk you? Yeah. So this is a wild one. I know this was a long one. How was it? I was doing that, yeah, but that's it. So he's gonna spend probably the rest of his life in jail. I mean, he does have a chance for all of them.

Do we have any like updates from either of them? I try to look it up. I try, I try to stalk, but she's changed her name and nobody really knows. I mean, I saw some like antidotes on Reddit saying like, oh, I think she's like dating this drug dealer in Calgary, but I don't know. I mean, so they are not continuing their relationship. No, okay. Yeah, she's a free woman. She's in her 20s free. She can get any job. She can marry anyone. She can. No one. If a police pulls her over, they don't know who she is. She has a completely new name. I don't know who she is. Nobody knows who she is. So I hope you guys enjoyed today's video. Let me know in the comments.

Let me know unless you're Jasmine Richardson. And I'll see you guys for the many so the second. Bye.