Rotten Mango - #62: Vanished In Tokyo Part 2 (Case Lucie Blackman / Joji Obara)

Episode Date: May 7, 2021

There is international panic on the fate of the missing British Airways flight attendant… and the crazy leads don’t make it any easier for police.  She was sold to the Yakuza (Japanese Mafia).  An adult film producer claims his colleague kidnapped her for producing a snuff film.  The police finally get their first good lead - they knock on the suspect’s door and open up a can of worms. Why is his dog frozen? What are all the videotapes? How many victims does he really have? *Please listen to Part 1 first (#61) Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Previously on Rotten Mangle. Can I see practice really hard for this one? Okay, welcome to this week's mini-sode. If you did not watch the podcast that I posted two days ago, you need to go watch that one first, because that is part one. And now we are entering Ball's Deep into part two. Just to give it fresh recap, it's gonna be really quick. So we went through the, you know, Japanese bar hostess life.

We went through Lucy Blackman's life. She disappeared. All of these other bar hostesses from around the world that were working in Japan started coming forward to Lucy's dad saying like, oh my gosh, the same thing happened thing happened to me you know I was drugged in this seaside apartment I don't remember what it is the police get involved they find out that there is a man living in this apartment building that is a registered sex offender the manager of the apartment building had called the police saying hey there's a strange man trying to enter in one of the units that hasn't been used

in a while so the police arrived they knock on the, and of course this man opens it up, he's sweating, he's acting really suspicious. And they're just like, hey, we got a nice little call. Can we search your place? Really quick, it's just a standard search. He's like, absolutely not, you're searching my place is just like a violation of my rights. So they leave very, very freaked out. Later, he calls that same police department back and says, hey, can you come back to my

place now? So they rush on over there and he tells them, hey, can you come back to my place now? So they rushed on over there and he tells them, hey, the reason that I was acting so suspicious and was avoiding these questions is because my dog died. And I didn't want you to see my dog's dead corpse. And he opens the door and shows them a dead dog wrapped in a sheet. Now this dead dog looks really stiff. I mean, it was dead, but it looked like that dog had been frozen for years. So the police, I mean, what can they do? Technically, he legally owned the rights to this apartment unit. They leave.

The same day, the police get another report from the same manager of this apartment building that says, hey, my boyfriend just reported seeing that same man that was trying to enter an apartment 401 that, like, legally owns the place, but like you get it the one that I called the police on right Saw him like walking on the beach like holding a shovel at night. So we just thought you guys should know So much is happening. Yeah, and the police are all right. It's so little is being done. Mm-hmm strange strange. Thanks. Thanks for the information, but What a co-ink eating everything's just such a co-inketing cure, okay? And then they start, you know, the police after they get these reports from this other District, they're like, okay, well now now we really got to investigate this guy. They find out that in October of 2000 Yeah, so months have passed now. So this is a couple of months since she went missing

Uh-huh. He purchased a boat, a 20 feet Yamaha fishing boat for $50,000, delivered straight to the Blue Sea apartment, where he was doing weird stuff. But he's being tracked right now. Yeah. Then he immediately goes to a supply store and bought a compass and a long piece of rope and an anchor. And he told the manager of this supply store that he's going to go deep into the ocean, to the deepest part of the the ocean and he needs a super long rope to anchor him down. Now immediately they know that he's not an experienced sailor because no experienced

sailor would ask for that long of a piece of rope like it just sounds like you don't know what you're doing you're going to get lost at sea. Now he was a strange dude the one thing that they remember about him vividly is that he just kept sweating a lot. He's just a massive sweater, just constantly wiping off sweat. Now the police, while they're surveilling him, they think it's strange, because sailing season has just ended. He had made no previous purchases in the same.

He's not like a bowler. He's not like into boats, and this guy has money. If he's into boats, he would have bought a boat. This is his first boat. And now he wants to go deep into the ocean. He had concrete at his place a couple months ago. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? He's trying to dispose of a body.

So they immediately arrest him for the abduction and assault of one of the other women, not Lucy, because they just wanna get him to a talk. So October 12th of 2000, he finally gets arrested. So who is this man? Joji Obara. Joji. Yeah. Joji Obara. Joji. Yeah.

Joji Obara. Same spelling. Yeah, same sparing. 48-year-old businessman and CEO. When he was arrested, he was just non-stop sweating. So the press, they get wind of this and they start tracking down his family. Because in Japan, crime is regarded as a family problem. It originates in the family.

So that's why in a lot of these types of situations, you'll see the closest relatives apologize to the public. And they'll do these deep bows, even though they didn't commit the offense, and these people are like, you know, adults. So they're like, we need to find the families so that they can give a press tour, because, yes, press loves shit like this. They find out that he's not Japanese at all. Well, he is of Japanese citizenship.

Now, this is where it gets even more political. He was an ethnic Korean born in Japan. So, this is a Korean man. And he was not born Joji Abara. He actually had multiple names that he went through, but he was actually born Kim Sung-jong. And he was the second son of four sons of a super-rich family in Japan that was Korean. This is rare. So when the Kims, when his parents, when they moved to Japan, they weren't one of the Koreans that were forced.

Now, I don't really know a lot of history about this. I know that there are, for like older generations, there's something going on between the Japanese and the Korean. Okay, I don't know. I love everyone. Okay, I don't understand. So apparently a lot of Koreans were taken to Japan to be retrained and stuff like that right so they were like held in Japan and

They were trying to take over Korea. So it doesn't seem like the Kims are from that era But there was just a lot going on. I mean Koreans weren't allowed to get loans from the bank Even if they were Japanese citizens because they were ethnic Koreans. they didn't have like the same business opportunities at the time. I don't know if this is still the same. I doubt it. So at the time, they weren't allowed business opportunities. They were never given executive positions, even if they worked really, really hard. Now this family, the Kims, they ended up getting super rich.

Now, their business model is very vague. They owned parking lots. And inside these parking lots, they had these Japanese arcade games that were the sort of legal loophole of Gambling where you could win but you win cigarettes and then sneakily you trade them in for money So if a police walks by technically you're winning cigarettes, which means you're not gambling But then like at the back of the parking lot It was weird, right? So that's all they did and they had a taxi company now It's speculated and alleged that this family had ties

with the Yukusa because how do these ethnic Koreans who weren't even the loud bank loans, you know, that came to Japan super poor? How do they even buy a plot of land to open up a parking lot? So it seems like maybe there was a lot of shady business growing going, you know, on, especially because Joe G's dad ends up like mysteriously dying in Hong Kong. There's so much to this.

So by the time that Joji is born, the family is already super rich. Like so rich to the point where he would come home from school, three private tutors are waiting for him. I'm talking like full parasite vibes. That's the vibe that I'm getting, okay? He was the second oldest of four brothers, and he was seen as the heir of the family. Usually it's the first son, okay? That's like Asian culture, right?

Usually it's the first son, but the oldest was super political. He hated the Japanese. He said he hates Japanese imperialism. He would constantly tell everyone all of his friends who were Japanese, how bad Japan is and how great Koreans are. So like that's not really going to, you're not going to be a great business manager. And if you're just shit talking to people of Japan in Japan. And one day he stopped coming

to school and just like stop showing up. Later he reached out to all of his you know little friends in school asked them to borrow their ear books. They're like what? They gave it to him and he returns them and all of his faces and names have been ripped out because he was telling everyone that the South Korean CIA was after him. They were going to abduct him and torture him. So I don't know who's team are you on? Because now you're saying weird things, okay? Switched back and forth, a lot of back and forth, okay?

So the family was like, oh, well this guy's a little unstable. So our second son, Joji, will be the heir to all of this. I don't get it. What did he do that? He just seemed a little unhinged. He wants to hide his identity. Identity because he thinks the South Korean CIA is after him Which does make sense because he said that Koreans are victims and the Japanese are bad, but now he's like the Koreans are coming for me So it's just all very confusing. Okay, so at that point, you know, Joji is like seen as the era and at six years old He gets admitted into the Osaka University of Education,

which is one of the best super leadest institutions in the country for six year olds. And then when he becomes a teenager, his dad just like unexplainably dies in Hong Kong. He goes to Hong Kong for business, and just like dies. Now the family tells everyone in Japan, oh, it was a sudden stroke. But at the funeral, none of them were crying, like nobody seemed upset.

And then later, neighbors saw the family have these handyman install bulletproof glass in their house as windows. So they're like, I don't think he had a stroke. Like if a family member dies from a stroke, I don't think the first thing on my to-do list is install bulletproof windows now, you know? It doesn't dies from a stroke, I don't think the first thing on my to-do list is install a bulletproof windows now, you know? Doesn't seem like a stroke. So then Joji moves to Tokyo completely alone because they have a house in Tokyo. So his family is living in their massive mansion in Osaka

in like the best neighborhood of Osaka, and he decides to move to Tokyo by himself. He's like 16 years old. All he does is take a female housekeeper with him to like clean this mansion. It's like this massive a female housekeeper with him to clean this mansion. It's like this massive modern mansion with all the rooms had sliding glass walls. He had this oval swimming pool.

They were rich, rich, okay. And the new kids in Tokyo, they thought that, first of all, they had no idea he was Korean. I don't know if that would change anything, but they thought that he was Japanese. And they were like, he's so rich. What's going on? But he always had this mystery about him.

His parents were giving him $500,000 a year as allowance. Oh my goodness. And he was just really isolated. He was literally the epitome of what you would imagine, like these really rich kids. Not super talkative, not that obnoxious. I'm so rich, I'm so rich, you know, but just kind of keeps to himself very very reserved so like huh what is it like would you call it sophistication you know it's hard to say he was just isolated he had no friends really at all interesting so he becomes of age and inherits all of this money and business and he starts you know become a real estate developer and he was

considered the generation of the lazy his. His parents worked really hard. First generation immigrants, you know, from Korea to Japan, worked their asses off and he never had to work a day in his life and he loved fancy things. He loved BMWs and Mercedes and Ferrari's and you know, he had a Bentley and Aston Martin a Porsche, he had all of these cars, he had so many cars and the only love in his life was not women, was not his family but his dog Irene. A Shetland sheep dog. He loved her so much. He commissioned life-sized statues of her to put all around the house and then she died in 1994

and he preserved her body in the freezer for six years. He put in her favorite treats in the freezer of underfrosse and he was waiting for cloning technology to get better so he could unfreeze her. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so at the height of his empire, he was worth around $60 million, and then he started doing a lot. He started losing a lot of money. You know, he loved his sushi, loved fine dining, you know, just super strange guy. So once he's arrested, they start doing massive searches on all of his properties and turns out not only

You see that but he is a massive hoarder and it keeps master diaries from 1970s so they can kind of see these diary entries from 1970 to 2000 Yeah, now the main diary that he really kept up with was a sex diary of all the sex partners that he's ever had. And he wrote about it and he called it Conquest Play. Conquest. Like when you take over something and play, that's really scary. If you're like, hey, do you want to come over and Netflix and Conquest Play?

I'm done. I would cry. I would literally cry. So there was a list of many names, foreign and Japanese, and beside each one, he wrote his fake name that he used to contact them, his little aliases. He also wrote some of the woman's names, phone numbers, addresses.

Some of them were, you know, rather vague. And he detailed close to like 400 rapes. He would write, I administered sleeping drugs or administered chloroform. She came to in the middle of it, she threw up. Like everyone had a description of how the conquest play went down and the notes were sick. So some of them said like, I got a woman drunk,

gave her a sleeping drug, but could not have intercourse because she was a virgin. Another one said, I did my usual, you know, pattern. I gave her a sleeping drug. It was good. But then I added chloroform, which was unnecessary. She ended up throwing up badly. Another one said, I put sleeping drugs in her chocolate ice cream. Then we made porn video. He even made these little graphs where he would detail the number of sexual relations in each ear. The number of sexual relations in each ear, the number of sexual relations categorized by nationalities, the nationalities of the

women that he raped. So he'd be like, oh, I raped, nine American women, you know, like stuff like that. Like pie charts. Yeah. What? Yeah. So definitively, they said that, okay, well, the number is anywhere between like 209, according to the journal, upwards to 400. This is a full-on serial rapist.

So, at the Zushi, the seaside apartment where most of these happened, there were commercial lights, video equipment, and hooks attached to the ceiling above the bed. They found tons of white powder, which later tested positive for flu net trussam, which is a hypnotic drug notoriously known as the date rate drug, okay? Multiple versions of like the date rate drug other sedatives 13 bottles of chloroform 13 bottles There's porn videos all over the apartment Some of these were like VHS's that he recorded. They had women's names dates on them

They were in color and good quality and they started watching them and it all started really creepy like a vlog. So he would kind of record these women raising their glasses for a drink like when they're just in his apartment thinking that he's just a nice client. And then it would cut to them abruptly on the bed unconscious naked and motionless. A lot of their times their legs were tied up and spread. There were these huge, like, shooting lights, you know, like soft box lights next to them on the side of the bed

to illuminate the scene and then he would walk into the frame but naked most of the time with the mask on and he would document the whole rape which sometimes would last for hours at a time. He would vaginally rape them, he would sawtimize these women, sometimes he would last for hours at a time. He would vaginally rape them. He would sawtomize these women. Sometimes he would use tools like the ones that doctors use to do your pap smears. He would rape them with cucumbers. Like just really sick stuff.

Off camera, they found two TV monitors where one of them would play porn. The other one would be a live feed of him doing this to the woman. And most of the time, the woman barely showed a reaction. They barely made any noises. They were knocked out. But if they did move, if they did say anything, he would grab a piece of towel, hold it under the victim's nose. So that would immediately stop the struggling. We can assume that they are being chloroformed.

Now there's wildly different numbers out there for these tapes, the amount of tapes. Some reports say there were 2,000 tapes, some reports say there were 4,800 tapes. The police say that there were 170 tapes with at least 155 women. The courts say that there were 40. Joji says there was only 9. It's ridiculous this guy. So there were two types of victims. There was usually the blonde foreigners or Japanese woman.

And there was kind of a stark difference in the woman is kind of how the police stated it. And I'm trying to state it in a way that makes sense but also is not offensive because the whole way that everyone else stated it was wildly offensive. But essentially the women that were Japanese, they were a little bit more, quote unquote, plump. That's what they said. They're more plump. None of them had the conventional prettiness of the hostess girls. So they asked Joji and he said, I like an ugly girl. Selecting an ugly one is part of my play. I like play with an ugly girl. Okay, but you, but these foreigners, they were considered

conventionally attractive, and that's how they got into the hostess work. And he said that foreigners are just as ugly, not in their appearance, but in their mind. They are drug addicted bitches. Now, in order to build a case, they actually had to bring in one of the women to ID herself in the video. They didn't show her the video.

They just took like a picture of the video. They didn't show her the video, they just took like us still, like a picture of the video, and she said it was really creepy. Because even looking at her, it just felt like she was looking at a doll. Like a girl-shaped doll, like motionless, but she knows it's her, but it's just really creepy. They also find evidence of Lucy being at the apartment. They find hundreds of strains of her hair that were tested for DNA. They find an undeveloped role of film and they processed it and they found two pictures of her.

They were both of her out by the sea. So it's her posing and it looked kind of awkward, you know, kind of like when someone's like, and you're like smiling and looking good, but you're also like, this is so weird, why are you taking a picture of me? So that's kind of what she looked like. They also found more proof that he had something to do with this Lucy Blackman's disappearance. They found receipts for the month of July in 2000. The day after Lucy's disappearance, he bought 20 pounds of dry ice from a dealer

near his Blue Sea apartment. In a large packing box, the next day he returned for more dry ice. Why do you need so much dry ice from a dealer near his blue sea apartment. In a large packing box, the next day he returned for more dry ice. Why do you need so much dry ice? Three days after Lucy goes missing, he goes to a camping store, and he buys two to three tents, sheets for the ground, like a folding table, a seven gallon cooler, flashlights, and a sleeping bag. Then he heads to the hardware store by his a towel,

three bags of cement, five cans of quick-setting agent for the cement, a stir, a plastic box, a bucket, a broom. Then he goes to another shop by his a knife, hammer, chisels, wire, gloves, plastic bags, axe, hands-off, chainsaw. So his statement to the police was this, after they say, hey, um, you're arrested and we found all of this stuff when we searched your place. He said, I have in the past engaged in sexual activities with various hostesses and paid companions, all of whom were little more than glorified prostitutes. So he's pretty much saying, yeah, they were prostitutes. And like also really aggressive, okay? And he said, that's what he said to P word, okay, I say sex worker, but you get it. I am presently being held for paying money to prostitutes for sex play, which I like to call conquest play.

Like why is he going on about this? I can't remember clearly because it was a few years ago, but I had sexual relations with some of the so-called victims. They were all employed as hostesses or paid companions. Most of them took cocaine or other drugs in front of my eyes. They were willing to take my money and return for sex play. Therefore, I do not believe that I'm guilty of rape or sexual assault. So they're like, what about those videos? He's like, why paid them? They're sex workers, so.

They're not victims. What? So this news starts spreading, okay? Internationally, Australia, even is hearing about this. And there was a woman by the name of Carita Ridgeway, who had grown up in Perth, Australia. Now she ends up dead in Tokyo, and he has something to do with it. So we're gonna, this is five years before Lucy Blackman. So she had always been like this energetic creative kid, you know someone who loved English literature, she loved the great outdoors, but you know

Karita's parents, they get separated and she became really depressed. So she gets sent to the psychiatric ward and her psychiatrist turns out to have a record of abusing his female patients. So it's literally punch after punch, okay? So she starts, you know, he starts trying to groom her, taking her these lunges and then he gets fired and it was just super intense. Once she's done with all of that, her friend is like, let's forget about all of this, and Australia. You know, your parents divorced, that was hard, you got depressed, the psychiatrist, let's not even talk about that. Why don't we go to Japan? I heard that you can host us there, and we can

make a great living. You're so energetic. I mean, people are gonna love you, and we can just live in this beautiful city together. So she to Japan and she's good at it then one day she means a client who drives this beautiful Ferrari And he's like I want to take you guys out to dinner with me So they go to dinner literally for like every single day of every single week Like he just seemed chill. It was just like a to Han experience. They weren't dating. She wasn't trying to make him her sugar daddy Nothing like that just straight up just a to Han now in day. She goes't trying to make him her sugar daddy. Nothing like that. Just straight up, just a don't want. Now, one day she goes out for the weekend and she doesn't come back. Now, on Monday, she's at the Tokyo hospital unconscious and dangerously ill. So her friend calls her family in Australia. They rush out and the hospital says, well, this like Japanese man brought her in. A

few hours, you know, like on Monday in the early hours, she has acute liver failure, she fell into a coma, and then her brain stopped functioning. So three days after the family gets there, she was pronounced brain dead, and they switched off the life support. So the doctors believe, well, she's got to be a drug user, she's young, this is liver failure, that makes sense. The family is like, that doesn't make sense, what? She's not a drug user. Let's track down the guy that brought her here because he must have some answers.

So they track him down. He speaks fluent English. He seemed calm. They meet up together in a little hotel and he goes on with this story. I met her at a club. She was a hostess. I took her to the seaside and I think she ate a bad oyster because she started throwing up.

She became so ill. Just, you know, really, really sick. The whole time he's sweating. He's just sweating nonstop. And they think that this is really uncomfortable, but what can they do? And he says, I loved your daughter. I wanted to spend more time with her. So I went to bed that night. She's throwing up a little bit, but the next morning, she was even more sick.

So I called in a private doctor to the house, you know, because I'm rich. And he gave her some injections to help with the nausea, but then it got worse, you know, but I had some business to do. And then finally on Monday, I brought her to the hospital and she went into a coma. And he says, well, these are things that I wanted to give to her. And he pulls out a gold necklace and a diamond ring. And he's like, yeah, I really liked her. So then he just leaves.

So immediately they go to the police and they're like, you need to do something. They go to the Australian Embassy. None of them care. They're like, this sounds reasonable. He sounds like a nice guy. I mean, what did you think he was going to do? Like, start performing heart surgery on her immediately? Like, this sounds like a reasonable citizen trying to help, maybe.

And that's it. That's all they were left with. So they go back to Australia just completely heartbroken. They see this all over the news. Like, five years later. And they call Tokyo. And they call the police station. They're like, it must be that same guy. So the Tokyo police station they're like it must be that same guy so the Tokyo police are like okay

let's look into it they find a receipt from the hospital for Carita Ridgeway in his apartment she was also a victim in his video collection oh my god she was raped for several hours and he was seen shaking liquid onto a cloth and putting it under her nose multiple times in that video. So we can assume that she had been heavily chloroformed and that's how she passed. Now the Tokyo hospital, it was an administrative mistake. They weren't supposed to keep her liver,

but because there was like a record mix up, they kept part of her liver after she died. And so they were able to go in, re-analyze it, and it was preserved, and they found heavy traces of chloroform that had poisoned her liver. So now with this information, they go back to Joji because he's like tight-lipped. He's like, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Like this was all just, you know, sex workers in me, right? This is paid business. And they tell him, we know about Karita. He's like, oh no, this is so disgusting. This allegation is disgusting.

I had a romantic relationship with her and even took her to the hospital out of concern. So in February of 2001, the police start searching again. So this is, she went missing on July 1st, February 2001. They know that her DNA was in the apartment. They have this guy arrested. They start searching for her body. They start searching through and all everywhere. You would think that the most obvious place to search is, you guessed it, the Blue Sea

apartment where he had that concrete. The police saw him, witnessed saw him at the beach with a shovel. His Mercedes was parked out front with lumps, you know, in the car. That seems like the most obvious place, right? Well, February of 2001, they researched it and 250 yards from the apartment. On the beach, there's this little cliff. Now, this is not like a beautiful cliff. This is not like one of those on caves and Malibu.

It's kind of like one of their shitty ones. Like Japan has amazing shores, but this one was like a, where teenagers go to like smoke weed and stuff. And they find it's like, it's more like a crevice in a rock by the way. So they go and they start digging there. Literally like 200 yards away from the apartment building. They start digging and they see a plastic bag. They tag on it and they see three lumpy objects.

They open it up and they see a human shoulder connected to an arm, two human feet that had trails, traces of nail polish. So they start digging further. They find a torso, naked and unwrapped. Then they dig some more. Two more trash bags containing the second arm, the two legs that were dismembered between the thighs and the lower legs, and then they hit like a concrete thing, like a block of concrete. They bring it in to be tested and her head was encased in concrete.

There was a couple of teeth left, they were examined, they matched the dental records, and she had been dismembered into like 20 different parts. Now the main question that a lot of people had is why did this take so long? This is 200 yards away from the place that the police were like yeah he was sweating, he was mixing concrete, we saw his dead dog, we saw lumps in his car, witness saw him with a shovel on that same beach! 200 yards? This is where he had the boat delivered like, ah, yeah. Anyway, side note, they also brought in Jane Blackman, and they just non-stop started asking her questions, which like I get at the police need their answers, but like how traumatizing they sat down the mom

and were like, hey, do you know if Lucy ate eel? Do you know if she ate tempura? Later finds out that it was the last content in her stomach, but it was just really weird that the way they kept asking her, she said that she felt so nauseous and horrible, because she knew something was weird about this, you know, this line of questioning. So the family, they want to go see where she had been buried.

The press find out about this, and what do they do? They follow the family to the cave with their cameras, and it was an intense scene, so Tim is shouting at the press, throwing things at them, throwing whatever you can find at them, Sophie is shouting at them, Rupert, the young brother, who's like so young, this is the first time in Tokyo now. He's on his knees in the sand just weeping. Like it was such a heartbreaking moment. So two weeks later, Lucy is flown home. Her funeral had 260 people at the church where her parents got married. And there was a lot of drama. I mean, I think a lot of people say that sometimes things like this bring your family closer

and that's what you hope, right? But things like this actually break up healthy families. So for an already broken family, it was just wreaking more havoc. Like you had a side with Tim's family and Jane's family and they didn't talk and it was just really intense and because it was such a high-press situation a lot a lot of Lucy's close friends were so pissed off because literally everyone from her school came just acting like they were so sad and they couldn't even kick them out and make a scene but all these girls were like

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Wow. So the press meanwhile are having a field day. What do you mean? What do you mean? How are you going to find this in February? She went missing in July. This is like the most obvious spot. Anyone in their mom would search this place first. Are you kidding me? And they just said that no, no, it's not because of our shitty work. It's because of our tenacity. It's because we kept searching Even though we brought a guard dog out here. They couldn't sniff anything out. We kept coming back. We never gave up What

What does it make sense? So seven months later her remains were found and it was mummified and not skeletonized and it was impossible to find the cause of death and not skeletonized and it was impossible to find the cause of death. So one year and three days later, Joji Obara, July 4th of 2001, was going on trial for the rape and killing of Lucy Blackman. He was also charged with eight other counts of rape and the murder of Carita. So the upside in this is that the criminal conviction rate in Japan is 99%, it is 93% in the US, which is a huge

up because it used to be 75%. So I don't know how I feel about these numbers, but that is just what it is, just throwing those numbers out there. So during these court trials, you actually, like Japan is kind of one of those places where it's a little bit different than the US in the sense that the US is kind of like a sport, like court is almost treated like a sport, you know, we have the era of court TV. We also have all these like defense attorneys just putting on a show. It's like an absolute sport almost.

You watch it, like, you're watching a sporting event. It's sick and twisted, but it is like human nature almost. But in Japan, it's really dry. They read monotone. It's just part of the process. It's not necessarily like this crazy deciding moment, okay? They're like, no, like, it's just part of the process. It's not necessarily like this crazy deciding moment, okay? They're like, no, like, it's just part of the process. You even go from being called, like, they call him Obara-san, which means Mr. like Obara, to when you're in the trial, they call

him Obara-Yogi-sha, which means criminal suspect Obara. So it's like really like no one thinks you're innocent anymore. That's just how it works. So the prosecutor theory is that he picked Lucy up, drove her to Zushi, got a picture on the beach that was estimated to be around 5.20 p.m. They go into the apartment, they start eating, they called the local restaurant had fried chicken and tempura and eel that was delivered straight to their house. They eat, Lucy makes a few phone calls, she drinks the sleeping drugs in her wine, or it was chloroform. And then we don't know. It doesn't seem like this was a torture murder situation because they couldn't find an ounce

of blood. But it seems that maybe this was another carita situation where she had died. And he was like, oh, that was too close of a call. Everyone, you know, this is not okay. I got to just dispose of her body. So then he, you know, calls Louise, pretends to be that this cult person, he calls a few more places,

make sure that he has all of these things, he buys the chainsaw, he does all of this. He drives to his other apartment in Blue Sea and starts, you know. What was he, oh, dismembering her. So he bought the tents to dismember it. And then know the police came so then he went and got his frozen dog And then was like oh no the guys this is why this is why I'm being here. That's insane because at that moment He was probably dismembered. Yeah

Right like it was literally a couple meters away from a cop. No, what makes it even crazier is that it's suspected that she was not buried in the beach in July. Near probably like September October because it seems like he was debating between the boat option and the burying option. Yes. So the body has been there. So the body has been there. In a freezer like his dog. Oh, the dog that she he carried out was the dog that died. Yeah, that he kept frozen for six years. His beloved Irene. So then he probably did the same process with her and then buried her closer to like September or October time. So he then, you know, after that before October comes around, he sends a bunch of letters to the police, signed by Lucy, some of them by him, sent money to pay off her debts. A police found a draft of one of these letters in the apartment, by the way. They're like, oh, this one's not good, and then we did it,

but didn't, like, get rid of that one, so it's obvious that he sent that. The chain saw was never found, but the model that he bought matched the markings on Lucy's body. They found Lucy's notebook and a bunch of chloroform and date rape drugs on Joji's property. That makes sense. The cement that he bought matched the markings on Lucy's body. They found Lucy's notebook and a bunch of chloroform and date rape drugs on Joji's property. That makes sense. The cement that he bought was the same brand as the one that Lucy's head was encased in. I mean, all of this makes sense, and then a witness comes forward during the trial. A woman who was playing on the beach with her son near the Blue Sea apartments. She said that there was a man sitting on the sand and it looks like Joji. She's pointing at Joji like, yeah, that's a man, right?

And he was watching us really closely. I thought this was weird. Now, he didn't seem like a guy that just loves kids. He seems like he's watching us and he's angry. And the sun kept asking if he can go play in the cave. Now the sun starts running towards the cave before the mom can answer. And Joji looks super scared. Looks at the sun. Looks at the mom. And he starts getting angry.

And it looks like he's about to do something. So then the mom gets scared and is like, come back son, and then they just like leave. They don't go into the cave, they leave, because they're really freaked out about this. Now, the main thing that the prosecutors had to prove is that he could cut up a body into all of these different pieces without any blood in the apartment, because they couldn't find any blood. They found her hair in DNA, they found her belongings, but they couldn't find blood. So they recreated, the police recreated the exact scene with the exact tarps and the 10-study bought at these camping supplies, and they cut up 150-pound pig, and there was

no trace of blood left behind. Is that something that they need to prove after all these evidence? All this, yeah. So then the defense, Joji had about 10 lawyers on retainer. He was during the course of this six-year-long trial. What? So the trial was six years long because they only had one session a month. So in other countries, you might have like five days a week and it might last like a month, you know, and that's a pretty long trial. But this one was one session a month for six years.

So yeah, he went through dozens of lawyers. He was just running the show. He refused to listen to these lawyers. The rape charge, he said, well, the argument's obvious. Yeah, the videos are weird. They're unusual. But that's just my kink. I like to pretend.

They consented to be chloroformed. But they didn't. Yeah, but he's like, no,, they consented to be chloroformed. But they didn't. Yeah, but he's like, no, but they did because they're sex workers. So I don't really need their consent, you know? Like that was his vibe. He was like, they're sex workers. So technically, I pay them. Like, that was his whole, like, he's one of those dudes. Okay. So then the lawyers are arguing a hostess who goes into a man's apartment.

That's automatically giving their consent to sex when they walk through that door. I was about to. and the man's apartment, that's automatically giving their consent to sex when they walk through that door. So bad. And then with Karita, they said, well, the sex was consensual, you know, the videotape, even though she's nocturn conscious, and he continues to chloroform her during the sex. But she wasn't murdered by him, she was killed by the hospital. It was a misdiagnosis by the hospital's part, or maybe they injected her with a pain killer. So they're saying, okay, those eight rapes, they don't count because they're sex workers,

so they consented. And then Carita, she died in the hospital as a consensual relationship. It's probably the hospital's fault. You can't blame me for it. And then Lucy, she begged me to go to dinner with him. This is the story that he had for Lucy. He started it. He testified, okay?

And he started it by saying that parents always want to see their daughter as a pure creature and every sister wants to respect her sister. I don't want to ruin their image of her, but it was because of that, I became embroiled in this terrible incident. And then he proceeded to call her self-destructive and tormented and addicted to drugs and read out some of the darkest parts of her journal that were, you know, in the evidence file so he has access to that. Like he would read out the parts that I read, like I hate myself, but he would say it as

an, oh well she's just a drugie, look at her, she hates herself. Wow, this guy is nasty. And he said that she died of consuming too many drugs. That's it. I wanted to take her to the hospital because she was sick, but she kept telling me I'm doing crystal meth and I don't want to get deported. I don't think, and okay, I'm saying it like this because none of this is true. You know, to my knowledge and to my belief. And he said, well, the next morning after that Saturday, we woke up and I left some food out for her.

Now me, being a businessman, I had some business to attend to, so I had my assistant. Let's call him Mr. A. I had Mr. A arranged to pick up Lucy and drop her off in Tokyo on Sunday, but she was super hungover. So then Mr. A calls me and he says, oh yeah, I'm driving Lucy now. Do you want to talk to her? I briefly talked to a foreign woman on the phone. Sounds like Lucy. So she's headed to Tokyo. I don't see her since then. So the last time I saw her was at my apartment,

dragged out on her own free will. But alive. You know? So I moved on with my life. I was really busy because I needed to bear my dead dog now. I decided after six years, I don't want to keep my dog in the freezer. I need to open up some space for my frozen foods. So I took my dog out. I started buying all this stuff. Oh the cement that cement. Oh God that that was for an art piece You know like I want to do like some cement art I might see and then her news started spreading everywhere that she's missing So I call up my good assistant mr. A. I'm like hey, mr. A. What's going on? You dropped off at home didn't you? He says well

Mr. Joji I didn't drop him off it. I on? You dropped off at home, didn't you? He says, well, Mr. Joji, I didn't drop him off at home. I didn't drop Lucy off at home. I had my assistant. So now his assistant's got an assistant, OK? Who goes by say to? He's a Chinese man. And he picks up Lucy for me because he said that he has these rich Chinese men who want to hang out with a foreign woman,

a white woman. So I dropped off Lucy with them. And she was excited because the Chinese men were going to buy her more drugs. So really just painting her to be this crazy drugie. Wow. So they're like, okay, who's this say-do character, who's this Chinese man that you are bringing up? Well, you can't interview him. Prosecutor. He's an interesting guy, right? So in his 20s, he tried to disembowel himself in a ritual suicide attempt But he survived but he got hepatitis C and after Lucy disappeared he died. Yeah, he died from guilt

So you have no one to back up this story No, but you should believe me because my assistant has an assistant and that means I'm a respectable man All right, there is there actually a assistant so later someone comes forward as the assistant turns out to be a member of the Yakuza and there is no evidence that he is an assistant at all and just like He's just no credibility at all and they were like you can't you can't just have None of this is making any sense. And then they asked him, well, what about the chloroform? Oh, the 13 bottles of chloroform?

No, no, no. Someone gave me empty chloroform bottles and I was like, that's so cool, chloroform bottles. So I just filled them with vodka. I thought that was fun. You know, like a core click. You guys want to see me take a shot of chloroform and then I will take a shot, but it's, ha ha vodka. We tested it a shot of chloroform and then I'll take a shot, but it's ha ha vodka. We tested it's chloroform.

I don't know anything about that. Like just straight up lying. Talked about how much he loves donating to charity, how much he donated to UNICEF, but anonymously of course there's no record because anonymously. Also my IQ is 200, so the whole time he's claiming that his IQ is 200,

I don't know what's happening here. Then we found your Google results, so we got your computers, and you were googling how to buy a chloroform, and you searched through multiple pages of it. Now then immediately after Lucy goes missing, you start looking at pages of how to dissolve a body, turn bones into ashes, add a melt bones. And this is his response. Get ready, you guys are true crime listeners. The same reason I said that is the same reason people watch those weird true crime shows.

Not so I can commit a crime, but it reduces my stress levels. So I know you guys like listening to true crime, but have you ever tried googling how to dissolve a body? I heard that is a stress reliever. I heard so. Try it tonight. The FBI is watching. And they said, well, what about the notes of those women?

Those just journals of you literally saying, I didn't rape drug tour, you know, all of that. Let's solve fiction. To my head, it was supposed to be like a novel. So they're really entertaining him? Yeah. So then the parents come to testify. So you have Karita's parents come to testify and the black men come to testify.

Now Tim gave a super moving speech and this is really important. Okay. Because there's another plot twist immediately after this. So Tim gets up on the stand and he says that he feels guilt for all the times he could have seen her, but he was too busy with work. He feels guilt for all the times that he yelled at her when she was a little girl. He feels guilt for not giving her the money that she needed, for not being there when she needed it most. And this guilt isn't logical, but it's always going to be with him, and it makes him feel

so terrible, and it deepens the terrible wound left by Lucy's death. But the worst guilt. The worst guilt is the feeling of guilt I have when I don't think of her. The guilt I feel when I'm happy for a moment about something. This guilt makes it impossible to ever really be free during my life from the devastating effect of her death. And part of me knows that I will never be free from this tragedy until I am able to be with her in my future life. It was deep, it was longer than this, and it was emotionally devastating for people that heard, I mean, people were wrecked by this. So it came as a shock when everyone learned that Tim Blackman received a million dollars from Joji during the trial. What? Lucy's dad accepted $1 million, well close to $1 million.

It was like $850,000 US dollars at the time, now with inflation probably over $1 million, okay? From Joji. Why? How? What? So, here's how it goes. Joji was going around offering a bunch of people money, including Karita's parents,

Jane, and Tim. Now, Jane and Karita's parents, they were like, all right, loser, no, we're not entertaining this. Here's what you need to know about the Japanese procedure. It is not unusual for criminal cases where the defendant offers money to families. It's like an exchange. Okay, how am I going to say this without making it sound really nasty? Because it's not nasty. If someone killed someone by drunk driving, right,

that's vehicular manslaughter, right, under the influence. I don't know what it would be, but you get it. So they start offering the money to the family of the victim. And so there's kind of like the Sunspoken rule that a certain number amounts to like a year being taken off. And in return, that family offers a kind word to the judge saying something as, you know, I forgive them. Right. But this person is still accepting guilt, but not in Joji's situation. He refused to apologize. He said that this offer of money is not me writing a wrong.

It's me just being a rich person feeling bad for these people. Like I just genuinely knew these girls and I felt so bad for them. He also- Wait, so the money was exposed? Yes, and it gets exposed with emails and Tim signed a document pretty much saying

like yeah I don't even think he's guilty. So Tim is hella shady you're saying? No okay so I at first I was really upset about this but okay I'm gonna continue. So then Joji's PI they hired a bunch of other PI's to track down all of these rape victims and they were offered $20,000 each and most of these women they refused. They were disgusted but non-stop they were getting hounded at their workplace at home. These PIs were following them, tracking them down, forced them to sign these papers that say, I acknowledge that I accepted this compensation. I agree to seize this whole case. I want it, it's officially settled.

I withdraw the prosecution and complain in my case because I do not have the intention of seeking criminal punishment Now that the prosecutors didn't care. They were like, yeah, we don't really care. There's literally video evidence So it's not just like word-for-word. So they would sign these documents and Tim signed one that was scrambled English She was obviously not written by Tim but it was signed by Tim pretty much saying that there's no concrete evidence putting Joji at the crime scene and that the police didn't do a good enough job obviously not written by Tim, but it was signed by Tim, pretty much saying that there's no concrete evidence putting Joji at the crime scene, and that the police didn't do a good enough job. Now, there was absolute outrage, you know?

I mean, it's complicated, so he accepted the money right before closing arguments. So it's not even like the judges are deliberating, because they had three judges, not a jury. So it's not even like that. It was just complicated. I can see maybe where Tim was coming from because he later states, I thought this was him.

It makes him look guilty. And I thought, you know, he is losing all this money that's even bigger punishment. And why should this man who murdered my daughter have money? Does that make sense? Kind of like that. Yeah, I mean, I get it.

I think the timing was just off right before the show. But I feel like, yeah, but I feel like if this was a public, yeah, like, you know, you're saying like, hey, I freaking killed your daughter, regardless, here's a million dollar for whatever, here, would you like to accept it? And as a victim's family, yes, I'll accept it, because why not?

Like, I'm gonna take your money. So, I think that's fine, but I feel like if someone kind of exposed that information and used it for a different purpose, so, and then everybody's like, oh, what's happening? The emails were exposed, and there was a lengthy negotiation of the price, which rubbed a lot of people the

wrong way. So like in one perspective from the outside, I can see how it's really nasty, but I'm trying to think as unbiased as possible if that were me. Maybe I would want my parents to just take it, you know, why not negotiate for more because you're going through all of this. You're not doing well financially. You spent so much time in Tokyo, just running through your money. I don't know if like, that's how it all depends on how it was phrased when it was phrased well. Right, when this information was shared,

was it phrased as, oh, he's secretly taking money? Yes, so all the headlines said, blood money, dad. Oh my god. So it was not phrased as, oh, he's secretly taking money from you. Yes, so all the headlines said, blood money, dad. Oh my god. So it was not phrased well. You know, with the talks of he hadn't seen his daughter for a really long time since the divorce he cheated on his wife, walked out on his family, has a new family, and then he took a million dollars,

and it was just a really dark grim picture. And then all of those little suspicions during the earlier trials of him, like wanting to do these TV interviews of him Exploring the you know hostess bars before your research. It's just got really bad It's and then a month later. He spent the first one hundred thousand dollars buying his second boat Oh, now he did claim that it was on behalf of a charter company that he ran but nobody cared. What does the mom and other-

The mom hated this. See and here's another thing right? He took the money. While all the other girls and the mom and all of them, they didn't take the money. That shows a lot. I'm sure all of them needed the money. So later on, Karita's parents will accept a million dollars after the trial. Right. And they will write a letter saying that they think that he can be rehabilitated

one day. But Jane never took the money. So it's kind of, it's like one of those situations that I don't even know. I mean, out of everyone, this guy is the first one that jumps out and takes a million dollars. It's just, yeah, it's, it's, I mean, you know, he, you could say he's a victim, but also at the same time, I can see why people get so raised. Yeah, I can see why people are in rage, but I can also see the other perspective of, you know, compared to Jane, he did spend a lot more time in Tokyo. Maybe that's why maybe he did lose a lot of money. He was going through a lot of his savings, but it just it's too complex really to have a like a strong feeling on if you're not really involved It's just one of those

It's like the same feeling of how do you expect a victim's family to react? There is not one code But we all have this like underlying oh no, but they should look this way. No, they should be acting this way, right? so the trial lasted six years and a month. April of 2007, the verdict comes in. This is seven years since Lucy arrived in Japan. This is 15 years since Korea's life support had been switched off.

This is a while. And he was acquitted of raping and killing Lucy Blackman. But he was charged of eight counts of rape and the one um the rape and killing of Karita so he was given a life sentence with the possibility of parole in 20 years. That's crazy. So um the only silver lining is you know some people started blaming Tim and the blood money because that happened literally like a month before closing arguments But technically if he was charged even with everything that happened with Lucy blackman, he would still get the same sentence Really? 20 years? They do life in prison with the possibility of parole in 20 years or the death sentence

But like that was like off the table or something I don't think that yeah, okay, let strange. When did the death sentence stop in Japan? I'm gonna look that up, okay? Anyways, the police, they were dragged because the first report they had of him of this whole, you know, date rate process was in 1997. This is three years before Lucy even came to Japan. And then five years before that,

they ignored Karita's parents' pleas of like, no, you gotta look into this guy. If they had just searched his apartment, they found those tapes, you would have stopped a serial rapist an a murderer so Lucy was only 13 to put it in perspective when Carita died she was in England not in Japan you know this could have saved a lot of people he spent 30 years as a serial rapist dragging his victims his real counter victims is unknown but the police estimate anywhere between at least 150 to 400 women. So then Joji in prison, you

think he's just gonna go down like that? No, he commissions a book to be written about him. Yeah, he just literally paid someone to write a book about him and it was written in the third person. He talked about how he's innocent, how he has such a high-high cue, how he gives so much money to charity. Bumboa! He sues a bunch of reporters and magazines. He sued Richard, the author of this book, the amazing author, for libel, for defamation. He's still alive.

Yeah, and then- And then- And then- He sued Time Magazine, and he won. Because Time Magazine reported that he had ties to the Yakuza, which don't think that they said a legit. I think they said like a formative, like, oh yeah, he has connections with the Yakuza, which he technically, like you can't really say that.

So he won for defamation. Now his brother, he was tracked down. Their family, his family was dead silent. They never gave interviews. They never did that, that traditional apology, right? None of that. The brother was tracked down by the author of the book, Richard, and he said, if these girls come to a foreign country and follow a guy home who isn't good looking to his apartment,

what do you really think about that? Why would she do that? It's absurd. You must have bigger issues to pick up on this than this minor thing. What about global warming? And he says, how many times? Yeah, and he backed it up with, how many times have you seen a beautiful woman in Thailand with some ugly guy?

It's a waste of time. Like saying that this case is a waste of time. This serial rapist and murder is a waste of time because global warming. Because beautiful woman in Thailand. What? That doesn't even make sense. What? So maybe like runs in the family.

That's crazy. Joji appeals the sentence and he does a bizarre experiment. He had his attorneys purchased the same exact freezer that he had in his house, and then he paid and commissioned someone $10,000 to construct a mannequin that looked exactly like Lucy and tried to carry her into the freezer and try to prove that he couldn't have stored her in the freezer because she couldn't have fit That really didn't do anything so in 2010 the appeal was rejected So on average in Japan, it said that um 30 people served 30 years before getting parole Doesn't really mean life, but we don't really know

So he's alive. He's alive. He's in jail, not sick from what I can tell. Sowing everyone. Yes, I don't know if he's going to sue us, but I hope he doesn't. Yeah, he probably won't. So then it started this huge conversation, because there was a lot of racism involved and the Western media was just demonizing Japanese men,

just saying that these Asian men are predators for blonde foreign women. We need to protect our blonde women. And then that caused a lot of tension in Asia, because there are so many countries in Asia where they're like, we've had a problem with Western men coming and raping our women in times of war. And in not times of war in times of vacation Even today, yeah even today

So there was just so much and I think it really shouldn't even be about that Why is that a thing when man does something to a woman a woman does something to a man It's just a situation of crime. You don't have to make it about the whole population of Japanese men or the whole Western foreign men population Just doesn't make sense. So Louise she The whole population of Japanese men or the whole Western foreign men population just doesn't make sense. So Louise, she, um, the friend, during all of this, she felt like it was her fault. She did not sleep, she went back to England, she cried all the time, she felt victim to drugs and drinking, she didn't care about anything, she just felt like everyone blamed her and

the guilt was just crushing. She didn't know what to do. She was the last one to see her alive. So fee the younger sister, I mean, she was so angry. And I feel like she had such a, such a raw, like when she tells the author about it, it's so raw. Like she's so angry because half of her friends, they're just pitying her. When she gets back, the other half of her friends, they're avoiding her because they don't know what to say. What do you say to someone who's sister has been dismembered and like buried on a beach in Tokyo? What do you say? So she's like angry.

She gets prescribed a series of antidepressants. And one day she decides to take every tablet she could find and she was hospitalized for her suicide attempt. And her parents rushed to the hospital and that's when they learned that she had been cutting herself. She had been self-harming, and nine months into her hospital stay, she had another suicide attempt.

And eventually, she was released. She finished a degree in clinical physiology, and then, Robert Blackman, the younger brother. He was depressed. He dropped out after his first semester at university, came home, lived at home, and just spent most of his time like crying in his room. Jane Blackman remarried.

Tim started a fund for Lucy Blackman to help other families of victims who go missing in foreign countries. And it just seems like this is one of those situations that the family is really broken. And I think they're really, I think it's so brave that they're open about it. But Sophie says she doesn't talk to her mom. She's not really close with her. Like there's just, like you would think that it would bring people together, but it doesn't at all. You just start blaming each other and blaming everyone else and yeah. This is really shitty. And that's why like some of these times like

when you hear these criminals talk even the brother of a film. Oh, Jojo. What are you talking about? Think you think this is what happened but think about not just a victim and after effect. And I don't think, you know, like you were saying sometimes what happened to the victim, they never get better. And then we're also talking about anywhere between 150 to 400 women all across the world, really foreigners, Japanese women who, I mean, they're victims. They are impacted every single day and all of their families are impacted.

So it's really not even just about Lucy and Karita. It's like all of these people and the brother's like global warming. Okay, listen, I'm all for global warming, but like now's not the time. Yeah. It's crazy. I can't believe that he was just operating

under the shadows of everything for 30 years. I do think that money had a huge element in this. I think these women were already very terrified. They're hostesses. The police, I mean it's already been proven that the police don't really care about these hostesses literally and this is a man with a lot of wealth. I... Yeah, wow. How can you say something? So that is the story of Lucy Blackman and... What? Please go read the book. It's honestly such a good book.

I don't do it justice. Nobody does it justice. This book is amazing. I was feeling so many emotions in it and it just gets you so riled up. So people who eat darkness by Richard Lloyd Perry. And I hope you guys enjoyed this week's podcast and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye! Tomorrow! Oh shit! No I don't know when I post okay bye!