Rotten Mango - #70: The Snuff Film Killers (Serial Killers Leonard Lake & Charles Ng)

Episode Date: June 6, 2021

Most people collect ordinary things - paintings, books, baseball cards. But what if you could collect your darkest desires? Two men decide they will collect women to be held captive in their torture bunker.  The men started gathering all their weapons of torture - power drills, clamps, gags, and pliers… the last thing they needed was a video camera. Because they were going to film it all.  The snuff film director, the collector, and the serial killer. Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Boom, it's a mini-sode. Where is it gonna be? Okay, so we're just gonna get started. We're doing a redo case. I did this case on my YouTube video. This is actually the case that made me start a podcast because I was like, are you kidding me? I can't even talk about the torture in this video without YouTube being like deleted. Delete her off of this platform. And that is how Rotten Mango came to be truly. This is the reason. So we're doing a redo for this one. And it's intense. So we're just gonna drop you in the middle. Leonard Lake was sitting on his brown recliner, like a lounge chair in his living room. The chair

looks worn out, but he seems to be enjoying himself. There's a camera on the tripod in front of him, think of like a YouTube video setup, and he presses play. This is what's going to be known as the philosophy tape. And he says, good evening everyone. It's Sunday, October 23rd, very close to my 38th birthday. I'm starting this video without any script, but I feel like I should explain something. I'm starting a various phases of

construction of a building. Hopefully it's going to be a series of underground buildings. Well, mind you, the whole point of this is for a secret room. I guess if you could call it that. A jail cell, if you will. These are trouble times. There are wars, there's rumors of wars going on, there's going to be an imminent holocaust that's going to wipe out most of humanity. The only survivors that will last are the ones that possess the foresight into building these bunkers, stalking them with food, weapons, money, and a way to stay busy. You know a place to live out your sexual fantasies.

See, here's the thing. Leonard Blake is a realist. He's 38 years old. He claims that he's a bit chubby. He's got not much hair. You know, he's got a bald patch right at the top of his face. He's just got like hair on the sides. He's not particularly attractive to women. He claims that he doesn't have all the traditional magnets, power, money, position, nothing. But the worst part in Leonard Blake's life is that he's still attracted to these women. He has nothing to offer, but he's got standards. All of the women that he has to have sex with have to be young. Sometimes even young is 12, but 18-22 is probably

the perfect age petite. He wants them to be very, very skinny with long, beautiful hair. That's what he likes. But, and I quote, this type of woman by virtue of her youth, her attractiveness, and her desirability to the majority of mankind simply has better options. There is no reason why a woman like that would be interested in me. So the simple fact, bottom line is a masexist slub. I enjoy using women and of course women aren't particularly interested in being used. Can you say that? Yes. So he's self-aware.

He's self-aware but also incredibly terrifying. So terrifying. So what he claims is that he wants to build this underground bunker. He wants to have like a doomsday prep. He wants food. He wants weapons, stockpiled. He wants to be able to live out here because he is genuinely concerned that there's going to be an apocalypse. That's common to the start. That's going to live out here because he is genuinely concerned that there's going to be an apocalypse.

That's coming to the start, that's going to wipe out humankind. But you know, when he's down there, what is he going to do? Read a book? No way! He's got to have sex! But who would want to be stuck in this bunker with him? Not the type of girls that he likes, you know? So what he wants is an off-the-shelf sex partner. Those are his words not mine I want to be able to use a woman whenever and however I want when I'm tired or bored or not interested I simply want to put her away. I want to lock her up in a room get her out of my sight out of my life because I want to avoid All obligation to entertain or satisfy their whims of emotional

whatever The Leonard Likes thinking it on his feet. These are not just sexual pros. There are other advantages. You know, she could be useful for mundane chores that I have to do, cleaning the house, washing the dishes. A slave really, primarily a sexual slave, but a physical one as well. So such arrangement he realizes is not only blatantly sexist but highly illegal, and there

is no doubt about it. Like it just violates all human rights and he says, and I quote, violates all human rights and blah, blah, blah, blah. He said, okay, yeah, I get it. It's blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he's like, I get it. It's so messed up that I'm gonna do this. Like, blah, blah, blah.

What? So that's why he's starting Operation Miranda. He's been thinking about it for over 20 years, creating that bunker in Will Zivill, California, a a tiny little uncorporated community in the mountains, and he based off of this name. Operation Miranda, you're thinking who the fork is Miranda, is that the person he's going to kidnap, there is a book called The Collector by John Fels. If you guys listen to Bacon a Mystery or Bacon a Murder, I did the Butterfly Collector, which I think is like a fan fiction of the original book The Collector. It's a lonely young man who collects butterflies in his free time,

and his obsession is a woman by the name of Miranda Gray, a middle-class art student. So he starts admiring her, and when I say admiring her, I'm saying he starts stalking her. But he can't talk there because he has like no social skills. He's so nervous. So he wins this little small lottery. Buies a large isolated house in the woods. But he realizes, wow, this is really boring. This house in the woods, I have nobody to share it with. What's the point of winning the lottery if I don't have a companion? So he decides to add Miranda Gray into his collection of pretty butterflies. And he can naps Miranda by dragging her with chloroform and throwing her into the seller of his house. And he has convinced that she's gonna end with chloroform and throwing her into the cellar of his house. And he has convinced that she's gonna end up loving him.

Well, one thing leads to another and Miranda dies. And the book ends with him saying that he plans on kidnapping another girl. So Leonard Lake is really moved by this book. I mean, this is his favorite book. So he takes his camera outside and he shows the people. He shows this video, right? He shows the camera where he's going to be building this bunker. There's actually this chainsaw that's ripping trees down actively right now. And he breathes into the camera microphone. I can hardly wait.

So the type of guy Leonard Blake is, you're probably thinking, I know this type of guy, because that's what I kept saying. I know this type of guy. What is this type of guy other than a serial killer and a torture and a rapist and a kidnapper because he's all of those things, right? But he sounds so much like an in-sell. Were you guys thinking the same thing, right? Because Leonard, like, went around telling people if I die, I want to come back as a beautiful blonde because they have all the power.

So those of you who don't know what an in-sell is, you have been blessed and I'm about to ruin this journey for you. So an in-sell stands for involuntary celibate. I feel like it's more in the news these days, especially in the true crime world, because we kind of associate mass murderers with insults. I mean, there is a connection, so the Sandy Hook killer, for example, he was, you know, technically an insult, and is there an association of these people? So essentially, these are misogynistic heterosexual men that cannot get laid for one reason or another.

And they're upset with society. They blame the woman. They blame society for the reason that they cannot get laid. And it's incredibly toxic. They have communities on Forchan, Reddit. They even have like their own websites that you join. Forums of people just talking about in-cell life.

They have their own language, so they never say women anymore. They say femoids. Yes, femoids. Femoids are female robots that are just dying to have sex with chats. Now you're saying, well what's a chat, Stephanie? Okay, a chat is an alpha male. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Like they look muscular. They're like just like my fiance They're really muscular. They've got that chisel jawline. They're pumpin iron They're the ones that are like grunting really loudly at the gym and you're like bro You're just wrapping the bar like what's going on? It's not even that much weight those are ch chats and femoids are just pretty much all women. But the truth is, like, our chats actually popular. I feel like chat is like a negative thing. Yeah. It's crazy, but in cells believe chats are just the sexual goals of all women everywhere. And I can assure you

as a femoid myself, I'm not really into chads at all. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. So they call women that are out of their league, um, roasties. Ask me what roasties is. What does this is insane? So it's short for roast beef. And it just assumes that this woman has had probably multiple sexual partners.

So their vagina resembles roast beef. And they call them roasties, which this is a fascinating point because if you are dating one person and you have sex a thousand times with that same person you're not a roasty but if you have sex one time with one thousand men you're a roasty which to me doesn't make sense but who am I right? These incels are very upset that some men can get more women and their whole theory is that the only reason that other men get laid more than them is because they have unalterable biological traits. So these are jaw lines, cheekbones, eye socket shapes that put men in different sexual class systems. It's not money, it's not personality, it's just the way that your face

shape is. Not even your body? No, just your face shape. You got to have like a chiseled jaw line. Well, you can work out your body. No, just your face shape. You got to have like a chiseled jawline. Well, have they, you can work out your body. I know they have they heard of a career. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So they have something called the 80 20 rule, which is 80% of women want to have sex with just 20% of the male population, the top chats, right? So under that, the rest of the 20% of women, they will have sex not by choice, but rather last-ditch options with something called Betas, Cucks, and Normies. You tell a lot of research.

It was dark. It was dark, so I was going down this rabbit hole. It was dark, okay? So these Betas, Cucks, and Normies, so like I said, 20% of men are wanted by 80% of women. So that's like a whole other leak. Now there's only 20% of women left. And they will resort to having sex with kind of, just regular, smuggler guys, betas,

not alpha males, beta males. And they will marry these people. But these 20% of women, they'll settle down with them, but they'll still continue to seek chads. So what happens is they say, hey, beta husband, can you buy me a boob job? Beta husband financially supports wife's boob job. Wife becomes 80% of women and they leave you for a chat.

Ultimately, all women are evil is what they're saying. And you have to end up paying alimony while your girlfriend or your wife is now, you know, a chat. And guess who's at the bottom of this? Even lower than beta's cucks and normies are the in cells. They get no sex. Are they called themselves in cells too? Yeah.

Oh. They get no sex. So they have multiple rants. I went on to a bunch of forums and I'm going to read you some of these because they are scary and you need to understand this. This is out there. It's insane. So they have rants about how literal men with ADIQ with nothing to talk about except who won the game last night

Are still able to attract a loving partner. This pisses me off. Why are women so annoying? Why are they so evil? Why do they just go for chads? This is a current post. Yeah, it's kind of basic. Oh, it gets really intense. Are you ready? So it talks about feminism and this is a post that says, all women are trashy hopes that use feminism as a plot to escape from undesirable men and only get by the higher tier men. Why is every single woman a total f***ing bitch? Every single femoid over the age of 19 should be fed to an industrial woodchipper.

I hate all women. Every time I look at them, my blood pressure shoots through the roof. My guy, I think that's just a boner. Um, I know. That's what it sounds like to me. When they're gabbling on the phone about Paris Hilton, when they're adjusting their lipstick and taking up my time, rifling through their stupid purse. When they whine to me about their period, when they blither on and on about adult or film or directors, musicians, nobody gives a flying f*** about. When they cry and expect your personal sympathy,

but most of all, I hate them because they're smug. Hyperactive little bitches made that way by our society. Look what uncontrolled feminism in the media has done. Okay. These get like thousands of likes. Darts thousands, at least thousands of men I would even go as far to say. Possibly in this world filled with billions of people, a couple million men like this.

At least, there's also something in the Insel community called Take the Rape pill where they encourage Insel's to rape in order for civilization to survive. They say that femoids need to be treated as subhuman objects whose purpose is to obey, bear the children of gentlemen such as ourselves. So do you know what reverse rape is? This is kind of popular in Insel culture. Reverse rape is when women refuse to have sex with a man. For whatever reason, I don't feel like it.

Maybe that's not my sexual orientation. You know, it's a Tuesday, I only have sex on Saturdays. I'm not into you. I have a boyfriend. Whatever the reason. It's when a woman refuses to have sex with an unspecified male. This is called reverse rape. There is a post that says the Me Too movement should include reverse rape. It's a serious problem and it's just as bad. If not more worse than what people usually

refer to as rape. It's a form of rape. Reverse rape is often overlooked and ignored. It's when someone refuses to date someone because of their appearance, weight, race, because they're trans, or whatever other biased reason they may have. It's denying love and affection to someone who they would otherwise choose to date in an instant, but because of transphobia, fat phobia, racism, or other issues of oppression, they engage in reverse rape. It can be very harmful and cause lasting emotional trauma. Did you explain what's reverse rape? Yeah, it's when a woman refuses to have sex with a man because of the way that they look.

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So I think that's the problem with Leonard Blake. But instead of saying, staying in an in-cell like a lot of these people in these toxic communities, which I am very terrified to tell you does exist to this day and it's only growing bigger, it seems. But he doesn't just stay there. He actually surpasses over into the violent side. So there are in-cells who then become violent rapists or abusers, they're in cells who become mass murderers, and they're in cells who become rapists and serial killers, and that is the category that Leonard Lake falls into.

So what's his childhood? I mean, where does this, is there a pinpoint that we can say, well, this is where it all started. So he was born in San Francisco, California. Now his parents, Elgin Lake, was a US Navy sailor and his wife, Gloria Lake, you know, they were in a relatively happy marriage. They had their first child Leonard and then they had two more children. They had Sylvia and then Donald Lake.

Now the kids did not strengthen the marriage at all. Like at the point that they had their third kid, Elgin was so over it, he just started drinking more alcohol, just getting drunk and fighting with his wife, fighting with his kids. And after the birth of the third child, Donald, he just decided, I'm not going to do this anymore. I got to move to Seattle. I got to go find some fun. You know, being a dad isn't as fun as I thought it would be. So he completely abandons the family, and Gloria is now a single mom of three. So of course, I mean, she starts struggling a lot. It came to the point where Leonard spent most of his days living with his grandparents. Now, what's interesting is that he had a really nice childhood with his grandparents. Like, I can't, I mean, his grandparents weren't wealthy, but they never went hungry.

He went to summer camp in the mountains. He would have these little vacations, at these beautiful lakes. He got an allowance, he had his own room. I mean, he seemed to have a relatively nice neighborhood. He did have some sort of resentment towards his mom though. Because his mom just kind of abandoned him. She would stay away a lot, she would constantly go to Seattle trying to get back with the father of her children, and then eventually she got into a new relationship and had two more daughters. So it just felt like what about me? I'm like your first kid, you're not caring about me, what's going on. So he channels all of this energy into starting his own little chemistry lab at his grandparents house.

Which sounds like wow he's such a smart kid right? So he has this own little lab and his favorite experiments involved using acid to dissolve things. Like okay Bill now, I would you're dissolving like you got the acid from yeah exactly, you know I'm sure there's easy way to someone in the comments. Well, there's no comments. Someone's gonna email me like here's the perfect recipe for us You guys are weird too, okay, I'm not the only weird one So he was making little acids it sounds like Bill neither science guy, but then he starts collecting rats And he decides I'm gonna I'm gonna give these rats a house He starts building like their own little tunnels castles like mazes, an ecosystem for these little rodents, for these little mice.

And so at first he had a couple, then they start mating. And eventually he had hundreds of mice. That's what he said, that's what all of his friends said, he had hundreds of mice. And they were just getting rowdy. Like it was just too much, he's like, yeah. So this was in a, was in a, oh, I have a problem. He's like, oh my god I have a abundance of pets yeah he's like I have an abundance of pets but then it got too much you know the rice work the rice oh my god the mice the mice were getting out eventually it becomes overwhelming he's like I only wanted five I didn't want 500 so after all of the care that he put into this he decided that the only solution was to dissolve the mice in acid.

Dissolve their little bodies. A lot of his friends saw this happening and they said that all of these mice turned into a nasty green liquid and the smell was horrifying, but it seemed like Leonard enjoyed this process. He wasn't like, oh my god, what have I done? He was like, oh no, that's not what I thought was going to happen. I thought they would just die painlessly He was just like, haha

Very creepy stuff. I mean, that's like red flag number one And then he got into photography. He loved he was like a little photographer He loved that his grandparents got him a caramor He started taking pictures of his sisters everywhere So he would actually sneak into the sister's rooms and start taking pictures of them while they were changing. So he would catch them nude and they had no idea. Now, there are some allegations that they did find out, told their grandma and the grandma did nothing about it. There was also allegations that Leonard Lake would proposition his own sisters into performing sexual acts on him. I don't know if this was true. I don't know if it was declined or accepted.

So we're just going to leave it at allegations. Other than that, there was one person that Leonard, like, absolutely hated. So like I said, he has one younger sister and he's got two half sisters and a younger brother. He hates his younger brother. But not because it's, oh, this is the only other, you know, male sibling competition that I've got going on. It's because Donald Blake had been in this huge accident when he was little. A train hit him. That's a huge accident, right? So he suffered serious head injuries and Donald Blake, ever since he was young, was disabled

and he received welfare. And Leonard thought that was nasty. He said, welfare, people who take from the system should be punished. Worm. Leonard said, if I could poison the water supply of every single person on welfare, I would do it. Because there are leeches. They're better off dead. They're burdens to everyone.

Very, again. Is he, but you think it has anything to do with that he has to take care of? He doesn't have to take care of Donald. There is no record of him taking care of Donald. If anything, it seems like Gloria, baby, Donald a lot. So maybe that is like the jealousy that spurs. But you know, ever since then to when he gets older, he has this hatred for people on welfare. Just even if they are complete, I mean, I get it. If it was they didn't need welfare and they're just cheating the system, that's one thing.

But these people genuinely needed welfare. Like they were genuinely disabled, something had happened to them, but he was so upset. Just so upset. So right after high school letter decides, I'm gonna join the freaking military. So he jumps from base to base and eventually he ends up in South Carolina and he meets his first wife by the name of Karen Lee Mainzerman and she was 18 at the time and they had this instant connection. They moved to California together They get married and Karen said that the first few months of marriage, you know, and I quote were average That's not that's not starting strong, okay? But soon she started noticing some strange things about her newly wet husband First he would openly joke with his other Marines because he joined the Marine Corps that he wanted to sell his wife to them.

Like how much would you pay for like a night with my wife? Like in front of her and she would just kind of like, oh, a Leonard just being Leonard. I mean she would laugh it off because this might be some sick twisted joke. I mean we never talked about it. Why would he? There's no way. I mean maybe he's just trying to seem like a mao man, but it was uncomfortable. So Leonard starts making her wear revealing clothes, just always showing as much skin as possible, incredibly controlling

after marriage. He just wants to make sure that he knows everything that she's doing, and she tried to go along with it, but it was hard. So she was pretty relieved when he got stationed in Vietnam. So he gets stationed there, and his job was to repair radar machinery. But he would tell anyone who would listen after the war that he enjoyed Vietnam because he enjoyed killing people. Now, he wasn't out in the jungle, you know, he wasn't out watching villagers die because that's, you know, a big, big thing that happened in Vietnam. He was just repairing stuff in the base. So is he lying, you're saying?

There is the PTSD of a lot of his colleagues did die in war, right? But he's saying that he went out there and he killed a shit ton of Vietnamese troops, which was a lie. Because that wasn't his duty. His duty was straight up to repair radar machinery inside the base in Vietnam. And he would brag and he would say, you know, the toughest part isn't about killing someone. It's not putting a bullet in their brain.

The toughest part, the worst part is zipping up the body bag. Not because you've got to see a dead body, just because it's a nuisance. You know, you got to get the zipper gets stuck. I'm going to zip it all the way up and it's just, that's the worst part about killing someone. Fascinating. So while other Marines had PTSD, Leonard wanted to be traumatized. It's like he wanted these experience so bad that he started imagining them and it went

even further. He would even imagine his wife back at home cheating on him. Like he would just imagine it in his head. There was no proof of it. If anything, people who knew Karen was like, no, Karen would never, right? But he would just imagine it to the point where he had to go to the military psychiatrist.

He was like, I can't take it anymore. My wife is cheating on me. I'm going crazy. So this is when they diagnose him with hysterical neurosis and impending schizophrenia. And so that you were no longer allowed to be working on radar machinery, you're going to be stuck in the hospital, and then when you're finally like safe to fly back, we're

shipping you back home. Because you are too much, like this is not okay. So when he gets back home, his behavior only gets stranger. He decides I'm going to invade a storage area to steal government property as payback for discharging me from the war. He didn't even know what he wanted, but he called everything from that point on in operation. He's going to the grocery store to buy eggs, Operation Eggs. He really wants to continue his little marine or whatever mission. Exactly, he's so obsessed with everything became Operation Miranda,

like everything was an operation temp so he called it I don't know Operation Blah Blah Blah and he failed but the whole time you know Karen's like maybe you shouldn't have you know tried stealing government property to begin with but he's like no no no the reason that I failed is not because it was locked up well it's because I had diarrhea

so for the next couple of days all he ate was chocolate because he read somewhere Chocolate causes constipation and he says well if I'm constipated I won't have diarrhea and I can go steal government property. This is all very bizarre, right? Like he needs help, right? But he's not getting it. So then with Karen He starts administering something called and I quote controlled beatings So they would sit in a room. She wouldn't do anything. It's not a fight. Not saying that that excuses it, but you know, in most cases of abuse, it wasn't a fight. It wasn't an escalated emotional

situation. He would just sit there and he would slap her on the face slightly and then harder and then he would punch her and then he would punch her twice. So it's controlled. Like he's controlling the level of force in this beating and then you'd punch her twice. So it's controlled, like he's controlling the level of force in this beating. And then every slap, every punch, he would ask her, do you enjoy the punishment? And she would be forced to say yes. And what was his goal in this? Just to have her be submissive.

He said that this is going to help our marriage is controlled beatings. Yes. And so again, 18 year old Karen, I mean, she's trying to stick with this, but then the abuse gets worse. She keeps telling her, like, mid-sex, you know, like, in the middle of doing it. He would say, well, I need other partners, like, you can't even make me climax anymore.

She's like, okay, what? Like, imagine how damaging this is, you know, on top of everything that's going on. The only book that Karen, his wife, was allowed to read, you guess it? The collector. And she was confused. Like if she was reading any other, it could be the Bible. You know, it could be like the most, you know, we talked about the nanny, right? Um, the giggling nanny, nanny, dos.

She wasn't allowed to read like romance novels, but like she could be reading something so innocent and be like, no, no, no, what I say, you're only allowed to read the collector. Very bizarre. So he had what she claims is a god complex like if you were to ever say, oh my god He would say yes, but he was dead serious like totally not as a joke You say oh my god. Yes. Oh My well don't say it That is really annoying. If I just someone does that in real life. Yeah, and every single time you're just like Oh my god, I want to punch. Oh there. I did it again

Yeah, it's it's infuriating So the final straw in the marriage was said to have been when he forced Karen to work at a strip club And he started lounging at home took all of her money beat her and then behind her back He started filming these BDSM porn films with other women, so she was like, I can't do this anymore, she divorced him. Now, a lot of people in Leonard's life said that this fueled Leonard's hatred against women more. Because he couldn't put two and two together, he couldn't be like, oh, she left me because

I'm abusive and violent and a cheater. He's like, she left me because women are disgusting. So after this divorce, he starts drifting aimlessly. He's like taking all jobs here and there, he's dating more people, and all of them at one point, like at some point in this relationship, they start getting alarmed by him. Like at first he's really nice. He's very normal looking, honestly, because I know like when he talks about himself, there's like the sense of like, I'm balding, I'm fat. But when you look at a picture of him, and I'm trying to say this on bias because I hate

him, he doesn't look horrendous. Like he would look like a nice guy. Like yeah, he looks chill. But he would seem nice and then he would try to convince you to do sex work and then he would convince you to take these nude photographs and then he would want you to convince your friends to pose for these nude photographs and then he would start talking non-stop about fantasies for snuff films. He said that the dream is to have sex with someone and kill them when he climaxes all on camera.

It would be the ultimate sexual high. So of course all these women say, that's funny. Wouldn't you go to prison for murder? No, no, no. I would never risk my freedom. That's why I always carry cyanide pills. I'll kill myself before I lose my freedom. The only friend in Leonard's life seemed to be a man by the name of Charles Gunner. And this friend was super close to him. This was the best man on his first wedding. He... Leonard would call

Charles a whale because he was overweight. That was his nickname for him. And Leonard Dye's Charles was like the worst person in society because he was living off of welfare. He would go out of his white, yeah. But his friends with him? Yeah, bizarre. Yeah. And so he would go out of his way to, you know, flirt with Charles. Charles' wife right in front of Charles. They would go on these hikes on their off days. And he would go out of his way to you know flirt with Charles Charles's wife right in front of Charles They would go on these hikes on their off days and he would choose like the most you know Athletically strenuous hikes and he would just yell at Charles like you're so fat Why can't you climb this hill? Like it was just bizarre this whole friendship was bizarre, right?

So during all of this he's still trying to get nude photos of women, right? Anyone he sees anyone that's pretty on the streets He wants nude photos of them and the best way that he did that was with his friends goat So this goat is interesting. It's an all white goat But it had like this some horn sprouting in the middle of its forehead Which you're thinking okay, it's a unicorn, right? But you find out that during the first few months of this goat's life There was a surgical procedure done.

Some alleged that this horn was just sewn on to the goat's head as a baby, and it just kind of, you know, mended skin over time, but it's, it's, it's not natural. But it did look like a unicorn. So Leonard would go around showing all of these random women on the street. Sometimes he would go to like Renaissance fairs and like be like, look at my goat. That's his goat. Yeah, like his friends goat. So he borrowed it. He and like be like look at my boat. That's his goat? Yeah like his friends goat so he borrowed it he'd be like

look at my unicorn and he'd say you know what would be like the best well his name's Sir Lance a lot the unicorn. The best way is for you to take pictures but naked in a beautiful stream behind you with this unicorn because that's majestic and that's the symbol of virginity and that's really like a high fashion do you know what I mean? I'm really like trying to picture this unicorn here. Yeah the goat So usually it's a horse. Yeah, but now I'm picturing it The goat it's like when you're like mom can I buy you an accord and they're like we have unicorn at home This is the unicorn at home. Yeah from wish. Yeah

It's budget. Yeah, it's a budget T. Yeah, and it's kind of small, right? Yeah, and it's kind of like, stonky. Yeah. Yeah, it's really an a lot to go. And the women would take photos? Some of them would. He would approach girls as young as 12 years old. You'd say, how high fashion you could use these for like your modeling portfolio. And a lot of them did. Now, it was creepy. He would try to sexually harass them during these photo shoots and his favorite way of doing that was tell them that their nipples weren't pink enough and he would grab a little tube of lipstick and put it on his finger rub a little bit on his middle finger

and start rubbing them on the woman's ariolas without her consent and he's just like oh I'm just a helpful photographer. This is for the best pictures. Yeah. So then he meets this woman by the name of Carolyn Balaz. But she goes by the name Cricket. That's her nickname. I don't know why. So Leonard meets Cricket and she was a teacher's aide and something about her instantly attracted him. Like they just got together. She was about five feet seven. She had this dark hair, blue eyes, had flowers in her hair the day that they met and sexually for once they were kind of a match. She loved having new people in their bed. She loved bondage, she loved BDS She was like the one of the few women that he met that posed confidently for these pictures. Other girlfriends are like, oh, I don't really like what are you gonna do with these pictures?

Like when if we break up, you know, but she was just like, do it, let's take pictures here, let's take pictures there. I mean meanwhile, he's like talking to a teenager. And she's okay with it. She's like, yeah, I'm around, I don't care. That has never come out of my mouth before, okay? And this Leonard would send pictures of cricket to this teenager that he's in a relationship with. Talking about how they're gonna move in together, they're having sex, you know,

he would send pictures of them doing it, trying to get this teenager jealous. I mean, it was just all of this is bizarre. Cricket and Leonard were constantly bringing new people home. Leonard would have sex with them on one-on-ones, and then he would tell them about how he wants to have sex with his half-sister Janet. They're like, what? I just came here for like a minoget wall, and you're telling me that you're, you're, you have incest fantasies. What is going on?

Like I gotta get out of here. So this is happening in San Francisco with Leonard. So then who is Charles? Because I feel like a lot of people who know the name Leonard Lake also knows Charles Inc. And this, this person is born on the other side of the world. He was born in Hong Kong. Now the Inc family, yes, the Inc family they had two daughters and they really wanted a

son. So they keep trying, keep trying, and finally it was a Christmas miracle. Charles Inc. was born December 24th on Christmas Eve. Now Charles' dad Kenneth, he worked hard. He was a believer in taking care of his family. Like he left, he let all of his relatives stay with him when they needed it, so they had this two bedroom apartment in Hong Kong. The parents stayed there, the three kids, they had two grandmothers living with them, and

two aunties who needed a place to stay. It was intense, but the family never went hungry. They even had a car, which in Hong Kong was like your rich if you had a car at that time. So Kenneth buys this piano. He wants to make sure that all his kids are educated well, take less sense. Very typical dare I say Asian thinking, right? Like that was kind of the environment that he grew up in.

Now during the trial of Charles, a lot that will be brought up is that he was beat by his parents. But when you look at the culture, let's say it does 99.99% of the kids at that time. Yeah, in Hong Kong, yeah. So there was this argument of, I think it's a bigger, better argument if you say,

well, he was not big grown. He helps you while you turn out, you know? Yeah. Just like in that time, at that culture, like, yeah, that time that culture was very different. So it was kind of this argument of, well was in Hong Kong and most kids in Hong Kong Did not grow up to be serial killers So can we bring this argument to the American US courts? How does that work?

So there was that argument so he was beat up as a kid Especially for getting bad grades. It wasn't like his dad was an alcoholic who would just use his kid as a punching Badgo's like why did you skip class and gonna beat you? Charles was obsessed with martial arts. He said you you know, forkschool, I don't care about grades, I love Bruce Lee. I want to be the next Bruce Lee. So he starts just practicing like all of these martial arts at home and his parents are just getting more and more annoyed and they're like, you're throwing away your education. Why are you doing this? And the only other thing that Charles was interested in was having pets.

They're you differently from Leonard. He wasn't into having mice and killing them and dissolving them in acid and turning them into green liquid. He was obsessed with his pet chicken. Do you know where this story is going to go? So you have this pet chicken. Loved this. Oh, oh no.

I know exactly where this is going. Loved this pet chicken. OK, this is very much giving me Robert Picked In Vibes. It's the saying that don't play with food. Oh no! So, don't act like you guys don't eat chicken. Unless you guys are vegan, that I commend you. You guys are amazing. Um, I eat chicken.

So, he has this pet chicken, and it would just pee everywhere. So, at first his family was like, okay fine. It's a little bizarre that you have a pet chicken, especially in the middle of the city in Hong Kong, in our apartment, not a farm, but do your thing. But that chicken would pee everywhere on the mattress and the hallway in the kitchen. And then one day Charles comes home

and his parents are cooking it on the stove. And he was beyond traumatized. He was so upset, so disgusted. Did he stop eating chicken? No, he wasn't that upset. That was probably the most traumatic thing that initially happened. He wore these really thick glasses, probably got bullied for it, so there's that. And he started acting out more. He would beat up kids in the park, he would write these super sexual letters to his teachers. He would mix chemicals and classrooms to start fires at school. So eventually, this Hong Kong school was like, um, I know that you guys are paying us this

really intense tuition, but you gotta go. Like we're expelling this kid, he is too much trouble to handle. So his parents are like, this is a disgrace. No other Hong Kong school is gonna take him, because his records are gonna be sent over. He tried to burn the school down What kind of school is gonna be like yeah, let's just bring him in we can fix him no way So they sent him to live with his uncle in the United Kingdom and his uncle called and said I can't do this Like I can't handle this kid. He stole from his classmates. He's causing trouble

I'm an embarrassment in my town now like what what have you guys done with this kid? So then they call up another auntie, and she lives in San Francisco, California. So they're like, please, like he's about to be in college now. Can you just go to community college? Can you just keep an eye on Charles? We'll pay you for it. So Charles gets sent to San Francisco on a student visa,

and he starts attending college there. But I mean, you know like any of his other grades, not just gonna magically like college. So he decides out of nowhere that he's gonna walk straight into the US Marine recruiting station right before his 19th birthday and then list in the US Marines. You're thinking the same thing I'm thinking. I think it'd be a citizen. I think you had to be a citizen to fight for this country, right? Not saying that you should be. I'm just saying, I thought that that was a lot, right? But the speculation is that the recruiter forged the documents because he was in a citizen.

So there is somewhere out there a birth certificate that shows that Charles Zing was born in Indiana. And this is going to be a huge part of this whole shenanigans because he could have been deported before the serial killings happened, but he wouldn't be. Ah. And then it'll happen again. They're recruiting officer. Yeah then it'll happen again.

They're recruiting officer. Yeah, we're like, we need another one. We need to get this guy on the team. He's into martial arts. He's going to be the next Bruce Lee of the U.S. Marines. So they get him into the Marines, and he was a little bit too much even for the Marines. Now, I saw this guy on TikTok who like compares all the military branches, and apparently the Marines they love killing people.

I don't know is that like a thing? That's what they said. The Marines are some heavy people, they're intense people, but even for them, Charles was overboard. So there were these saying that people would chant in the Marines, no gun, no fun, no kill, no thrill. You know they would do these during drills, but Charles he would recite it nonstop. He'd be in the shower, no gun, no fun. He'd be laying in bed, no kill, no thrill.

So one would say, hi, good morning, Charles. No gun, no fun, no kill, no thrill. Like a broken record. He would just recite it nonstop. You would think that's a red flag, but on his reports, he was considered a, and I quote, outstanding weapons handler. He becomes the butt of the joke in most of these marine communities because he was Asian. So there was a lot of racial slurs that were thrown off by this,

and he got pissed. Who wouldn't be pissed? So he decides he's gonna steal weapons from the facility as revenge. So the way that it works is that when you're in the Marines, they house all the weapons that you're given. So just because your supervisor gives you a grenade, it's not like you can just take it home. You can take it off base. Like these all have to be accounted for. So when you're not actively using them, there's like this warehouse,

this 24-7 guarded quarters with all of the machinery. And they have lockers and it's intense, right? So Charles, he takes turns being a guard of this facility and he decides to concoct this plan that he's gonna get involved a conspiracy of sorts with a couple other guards to steal weapons, dynamite, hand grenades, TNT, like he was gonna sell them on the black market as a big f*** you to the Marines because think about it, imagine the huge profits, US Marines weapons, are you kidding me? People would pay top dollar for this. So that's his plan. because think about it. Imagine the huge profits. US Marines weapons, are you kidding me? People would pay top dollar for this. So that's his plan, but he gets caught doing it.

So after he gets caught, he's like, well, I can either stick around and get sent to military prison, which I've heard is worse than any type of prison, county, state, federal prison, military prison. Oh, God, you're screwed. So he's like, I gotta go, I gotta flee. So he has only a couple of comrades that he trusts and he approaches one of them and he's like, I gotta go. What do I do? I don't have a place to go. Like my family is not gonna take me. And this guy says, well, I know someone. I know someone, man, what's

his name? Leonard Lake in California. He's an ex-Marine too. So he's probably gonna take you in. You know, we've got that code of brotherhood. X-Marine, always a Marine, once a Marine, you get it. He's a huge survivalist. He has this isolated place, and I think he's building a bunker. Last I heard. Yeah, I'm sure you could work there, help him build his bunker for free housing.

That'd be cool. Yeah, I can give you his number. So he gets on a plane from Hawaii, where he was stationed to California. Now you're thinking, what I was thinking. If you didn't watch the Golden Age of hijacking episode, that show of the hostages, planes were not the safest back then. You would think that he'd get stopped at TSA, but there was no TSA, so he just got on the

plane once in California, the military didn't stop him. And he calls Leonard Lake and Leonard was like, I'm 100% down to have a friend. And they do what was a match made in hell. They start bonding on one thing. They like violent sex. And they like violent sex with unwilling women. How does that topic even come about? So they like to rape.

Yeah, they like to rape people violently. And they start finding rape victims. A woman would come forward and she said that she was a sex worker at the time, arranged for her services. And she meets Leonard. He takes pictures of her and they wear a bat to get it on, but she's like, oh, let me go use the bat, right? She goes to the motel bathroom when she gets out. There's Charles just lunging at her. So the rows are on to the bed and starts frantically stabbing the mattress around her body and brutally

raped her while Leonard watched and probably took pictures of this whole process And at the end they paid her and they said this is something we do all the time But we usually kill the girls that we've been with but I like you so we're not gonna kill you Leonard also starts developing more of an intense taste for his photographs instead of just nude photographs with surly and a lot of the goat unicorn He now wants women to wear a completely white makeup dark like completely white foundation and dark eyeliner long wigs of hair And wanted them to pose in a pre-dub grave. He wanted them to look like they were dead inside of this grave So like are you saying he's into dead people? Seems like it. It's just bizarre. Now this is where it gets crazy. There's gonna be multiple arrests on this.

I can't even explain. So the first arrest happens because the FBI was working with the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office, which Mendocino County, there's a lot going on there apparently. Charles was known to be a fugitive from the US Marines. There have been some speculation that he was in California because his aunt was living in California That's where he came from before he was recruited. He had illegal guns. When they went through his Hawaii base, you know, locker They found tons of dynamite that he was storing timer weapons that he had stolen from the Marines So they're thinking, oh god, this guy's dangerous. We got to find him ASAP. We can't let something bad happen. So April 18th of 1982, going through witness statements, they find that Charles Zing was at a local motel. And the FBI, they started zeroing on him.

And they chase him, they follow him, and stalk him to a ranch, where him and Leonard Blake were staying. So they bust the place. You know, they find a plethora of handguns, rifles, fully automatic rifles, hand grenades, TNT, silencers, for guns, tear gas, several boxes of ammunition. It was a lot.

So Charles and Leonard both, they're arrested for the first time. And they are charged with 17 felony counts of firearm violations. Now immediately Leonard, he gets bailed out by Cricut and he decides, I'm going to take my chances. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to go to court so that I can face the music for 17 felony counts are you kidding? I'm just gonna I'm gonna become a fugitive so after he gets bailed out He starts he starts running from the low. I'm gonna miss my court date

I'm not doing this anymore full on fugitive status now Chattel's saying he is not gonna get bail and he would now sit in military prison This is a rough high-security military prison for the next 26 months. And during this entire time, he would be writing letters to Leonard to pass the time. Leonard would even send him pictures of naked women to help him pass the time. Now, as a fugitive, Leonard Lake is doing the absolute most. He's moving from place to place, he's selling weed. He's trying to find a third partner for his relationship with Cricket because that's so important when you're a fugitive. You're like three

sums. His new dream was to get two women pregnant at the same time. It was like, well, what a kick that would be. Now, nobody was really down. Even if they were attracted to Leonard physically and Cricket physically, any time they saw Leonard and Cricket together, it's like they would fight nonstop. And it was just about dumb stuff. It's like kids You have this like inkling that oh god if I do enter in this like Polly relationship with them. I'm gonna I'm gonna be the mediator This is like a world of trouble So Leonard's main stress was from being a fugitive. He was a man with a plan though, right? So he decides to call up his family out of nowhere and says mom

What are you doing? I want to talk to my little brother, Donald. I haven't seen them in so long. You know, I'm in my late 30s now and it's about time that we made up, finally. I know I said a lot of harmful stuff about him in the past, but I just want to be his friend. I think I've matured.

I don't hate him anymore. So why don't I just take him up to a trip, we can go camping in Northern California, just me and Don Don, it'll be nice, brotherly. Dondon. So, yeah, him and Dondon, they leave. They go on this trip, and nobody would ever see Donald again. Coincidentally, though, a lot of accounts started opening up in Donald's name.

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So Leonard's sexual escapades continue through this. He would get upset though, because now, you know, he's getting a little bit older He's getting a little bit fatter. He's losing a little bit more hair, and all of his partners were just not up to his visual standards He would constantly say, I just got a blowjob, but from a stupid ugly woman. Look at what levels I fall into. During all of this, Cricket knows of his plans to create a bunker. That was his one dream. I want to create a bunker. I want to have sex slaves and cricket new and cricket even thought, okay, maybe I could help recruit people for your potential sex slaves under the lie that my husband is a professional photographer. But he needed more money to make this bunker. So he started something called Operation Fish. Do

you remember whale? A whale is a type of fish, I guess. Well, is it? But in Leonard's mind it was. So Operation Fish was to kill his best friend Charles Gunner that he called a Whale. And he writes about it in his journal and he writes about Operation Fish failed today because Charles did not eat the snacks. So we're assuming that the snacks were laced with cyanide, which was, you know, something Leonard loved to do. During the week there were another two failed attempts, and then finally, he wrote Operation Fish, Phase One, complete, finally. So we can assume that was the last day Charles Gunner

was seen by his wife or his children. And Leonard tells Charles wife, hey, I went on a trip with Charles and he met this girl. He says, yeah, she's so much hotter than you. I'm gonna leave my wife and kids, my entire family, to be with this girl now. And they all believed it, and they were this girl. He says, yeah, she's so much hotter than you. I'm gonna leave my wife and kids my entire family To be with this girl now and they all believed it and they were heartbroken So he starts using Charles's money, Charles's car and he moves on with his life

He starts building this bunker. He starts hiring teenagers There are ads to like cut down trees He starts dating other women and it's kind of a surprise that nobody called the police on him during all of this There was a girlfriend that he dated who had kids. So the kids like, I want to watch a movie, you have so many video tapes in your living room. So she picked like a famous title. She sticks it into the video recorder at the player and there's this woman in the bathroom. And she's changing. She's removing her clothes and it's obvious that she had no idea that she was being filmed.

So something had been taped over this movie, and the whole family is watching it. The girlfriends there, Leonard's there, the kids there, they're all just sitting in shock, and Leonard casually walks up, takes the tape out of the player, and replaces it with a different movie. Never talked about it again. He wrote in his diary about how he met one of the cutest blondes who was 12 years old, and he called her the worst kind of jailbait. So finally he settles down with cricket in Cricket's parents mountain cabin.

They were allowed to stay there, and that is when Operation Miranda really went into full force, cutting down the trees, getting a cement foundation, started spending all of Donald and Charles's money on building the spunker. And Leonard is getting more excited. He starts writing in his diary. Lately, life seems to be too often a beauty contest. The prettiest girl gets the job. The richest man gets the most opportunities. The best-looking man gets the same.

People help the person with the best smile. The nicest personality, et cetera. Completely understandable. But us not so great looking types frequently take second or third best at everything. I live to correct this. Charlesine gets released from 26 months in prison and to his surprise, he wasn't deported to Hong Kong. This is why I say it becomes a huge scandal because it's one thing to get deported, you know, when he's enlisting in the Marines, it's another thing. After all

of this, you don't deport him. So they're just like, okay, bye, have a good time. So I don't know if they just saw his fake birth certificate from Indiana and there was some miscommunication. Because legally, he's not allowed to be there anymore, right? No, yeah. Because he was in a student visa. Yeah. Legally not allowed.

But they're just like, okay, have fun, criminal. Like, let's not even check your records. So he just gets released. He calls up Leonard and he's filled in about Operation Miranda, and they're getting each other hyped up even more, and they're like, okay, well, what do we need? Operation Miranda, we need more cash, we need more money. Oh, we need some video recorders.

We need some cameras, professional cameras, because imagine, imagine we do all of this, and we don't document it. What kind of loser stuff is that that we've got a document every second So they start going through local ads. They find multiple different men either looking to sell a car or looking for a sexual partner and a lot of them have been linked To be disappeared or to be dead after contact with Charles or Leonard. I'll give you the full list in a little bit What are they looking for so they look for men around their age. So it's kind of like a hopefully I can steal your identity as well. To get the money for this bunker. One particular

family, Harvey Dubs and his wife Debra and their 16 month son Sean hadn't been seen for several days. So everyone's like that's strange. Why aren't they coming into work? I mean this is a responsible family, but it just seems like the family had vanished. When you go inside their house, I mean, there had been some sort of struggle that happened. Debra's medication that she takes every single day was left in the house. The baby's room complete mess. The cats were locked up and left in the house with no food, which is really strange, right? Like families don't just run away together.

This is bizarre. The police had no leads. The only thing that they knew is right before their disappearance Harvey had posted an ad in the local newspaper renting out his video equipment and all of that said video equipment was missing from the apartment and They will later find it in the bunker now with that video equipment the torture started It's suspected that Leonard and Charles had over 25 victims That is including the men that is including the men, that is including the families,

and that is including female victims. But confirmed, they found 12 victims buried near the bunker. So Charles would later tell people that after getting woman into the bunker, they would torture them. Their favorite methods of torture, do you know what advice is? So it's kind of like a construction tool where you attach it to a very solid table, and it's like a clamp.

You clamp down a piece of wood so that you can saw it. It's just something that you clamp materials into. It's like a screw mechanism that you twist the lever and it gets tighter and tighter until it's clamped and it won't move so you can work on it. It's a construction tool. Well Charles allegedly said that he liked to stick people's hands into vices and break their knuckles slowly. He claimed to love putting power drills into the Jhinas female private parts with screws with nails attached. On some occasions occasions he bragged about using pliers to fully rip off female

nipples. This is both of them, right? Yeah. There's something called, well, I didn't know this was the thing, but Charles said there's something called the asshole grip death. And what that means is it's to choke a woman, usually to death, using their own underwear or their pantyhose while you sawdimize them. Charles also would later claim that allegedly that he would sit there and eat dinner while

watching Leonard rape their victims in the bunker. There were allegations that guns were shoved into vaginas to invoke fear. It said that some of the victims were found with nails in their palms, like hammered into them, and another victim was emasculated with a chainsaw. Yet, apparently, Charles knows people that he loved the torture. He said that the minute that the victim showed no fear, were they stopped begging for their life, were they stopped screaming, That's when he would kill them. Not a lot of videotapes were recovered from the crime scene compared to what people thought

there would be. So one that was recovered was of a woman by the name of Kathleen Allen who was 18 years old. So she was having a really good life. I mean, she was spending her time with her sister and her mom in San Jose, California. Everyone knew Kathy was just strong and intelligent. That's what everyone said about her. She could make anybody laugh. If someone had problems, she came ready with solutions. She was like, I'm gonna fix it for you.

She was that type of person. She was everybody's friend. So she worked at the local supermarket to try to support her family. And she had this boyfriend by the name of Michael Sean Carroll who was 23 years old. And he worked at a pizza restaurant. So finally, Michael's like, come on, Kathy, like move move in with me, move in with me and she finally decides,

maybe it's time for the next step. So they get this motel room while they're looking for a permanent place and they're staying there. But one day, Mike just doesn't come home from work. So she's like, okay, that's weird. But maybe he's with his friends, you know, Mike has a very interesting track record. He sometimes dabbled in drugs. Sometimes he was abusive, so it wasn't the most out of norm thing. She waits a day, but her friend calls her and is like, Hey, Michael just called you out work and said that he has problems in San Francisco. Near Lake Tahoe.

He needs you to meet him in Lake Tahoe. I think someone's gonna pick you up from the store. They said that they're gonna come pick you up, drive you to Lake Tahoe because I think Mike's been shot or something. She's like, what this is so bizarre? Who is he messing with? Why is he shot? What happened? So she's like, okay, well, I gotta go. So she gets into this stranger's car. And the next thing we know, she's sitting in a brown recliner, like a lounge chair. The same one where Leonard made his philosophy video. And she had her hands tied behind her back, her legs were tied together, and she was in

a state of shock. And Leonard told her, Mike goes us, and he can't pay. So now we're going to give you a choice, Kathy. This is probably the last choice we're ever going to give you. You can either go along with us, you can cooperate, you know, you can do everything we tell you to do willingly. And in approximately 30 days, we'll either drug you, blindfold you, and make sure that you have no idea where you are or where you're going.

We'll take you to the city and let you go. But if you don't want to do that, if you don't want to cooperate, we'll probably shoot you in the head and take you out and bear you in the same area we buried Mike. So she's told on camera that her boyfriend is dead. Is he dead? Yeah. So they tell her, we'll probably have you write some letters to your friends and family, telling them some bullshit story that you guys moved to Timbuck to while you're here,

we're going to keep you busy, you'll wash for us, you'll clean for us, you'll cook for us, and you'll f for us, you'll cook for us, and you'll F for us. And so of course Kathy says, yeah, I'll do whatever you want. And that's when the emotional torture starts. Leonard starts laughing about how Mike, her dead boyfriend, hates her. He's telling me on and on about how you're lame and he was gonna break up with you anyway. He told me that he got a blowjob from the strange woman at the motel before we killed him. And he was just like enjoying this psychological torture that he was putting on Kathy.

They forced her to stand up and undress in front of them and they keep reminding her that there's a gun on the table. And the video ends with Leonard asking Charles to take her to shower. Another clip showed Kathy completely nude wearing only pantyhose that was ripped at her private area, and she was being forced to massage Charles. And he kept saying, like, get my ass. And the camera pan to show a bunch of still pictures of Kathy wearing various different sets of lingerie.

She had been in captivity for over a week at this point when this video had been filmed. She was wearing full makeup, mascara, lipstick. I mean, people who saw her in the video, I mean, there's this one picture that did go viral and she looks upset, but otherwise it looks kind of like a normal picture. Like it's taken from an above angle, she's kind of pouting and you're thinking, oh, maybe this is a picture at a party. It's actually a picture taken by Leonard Blake in Charles'ing. So in the cell that she stayed in for her captivity, there was a list of rules taped to the wall.

And it says this, rules. Number one, I must always be ready to service my master. I must be clean, brushed, and made up with my cell neat. Number two, I must never speak unless spoken to. Unless in bed, I must never look my master in the eye. Must keep my eyes downcast. 3. I must never show my disrespect, either verbally or silent. I must never cross my arms or legs in front of my body or clench my fists. And unless I'm eating, I must always keep

my lips parted. What? Yeah. The part is. 4. I must obey immediately and without question or comment. 5. I must be quiet when locked in my cell. 6. I must remember and obey any additional rules told to me. I must understand that any disobedience, any pain, trouble, or annoyance caused by me to my master will be grounds for punishment.

There was another tape found of Brenda O'Connor, and she was sitting on the same chair that Kathy was sitting on, and Brenda had a, she lived nearby. She was actually like a neighbor, and she had a husband named Lonnie, and their two-year-old son was named Lonnie, junior. So all of them were kidnapped. They were drugged by Leonard and Charles,

and they tell Brenda, we have to let you know Brenda, the neighborhood doesn't like you. The neighborhood doesn't like Lonnie, and we haven't liked you guys since you moved in. And she's, you know, so terrified. She's tied up. She says, Okay, so we'll leave.

Well, we're already sending your husband away, and your baby. We're sending them away. So she's like, what do you mean? You're taking my baby away. Like, what do you mean? Well, there's a family in a friend's know that doesn't have a baby,

but they've got one now. It's better than your baby being dead, right Brenda? Anyway, here are your choices. You can cooperate with us or we'll tie you to the bed, rape you, and then take you outside shoot you. It's your choice. So she cooperates and she begs for her child and they keep telling her I don't think you're a fit mother.

And she asks, well, are you just going to keep me here for the rest of my life? No, we'll probably keep you around for a few weeks, then pass you around. So during this, Charles is there cutting off her shirt with a knife, and she's terrified. And she keeps saying, please don't cut off my bra. And he tells her, nothing is yours now. It's all ours. You can try to cry like the rest of them, but it won't do you any good. We're pretty cold-hearted, so to speak. And while she's naked, they start comparing her to Kathy. Saying things like, oh isn't she a little bit better than Kathy? And no, I think Kathy was a little bit younger. Wait, no, she's a little bit older. Wait, Kathy was older? Anyway, Brenda just had a baby.

She looks okay. On camera. In front of terrified Brenda. There was a clip found of Deborah Dobbs, the one whose husband was selling the video equipment and the police say that she had been assaulted to the point where they think that she would not have survived her injuries. So the speculation of people who came in contact with 100% every single time Leonard Blake and most of them had come in contact with Charles Ling had disappeared. So the list is long. Donald Blake, Charles Gunner, Marie Throck, Shaila Caro, Randy Jacobson, Harvey Dubs, Deborah

Dubs, Sean Dubs, Paul Costner, Clifford Parentou, Jeffrey Gerald, Michael Carroll, Kathleen Allen, Lonnie Bond, Brenda O'Connor, and Lonnie Bond Jr. Jessless list is two babies, four women, ten men, and who knows how many more. With some of these victims, Charles would allegedly claim that they would release them into the forest, a lot of these men naked, completely afraid, and they would hunt them down. They loved to like make these guys feel like they got away, but then they would show up and they would kill them. They would burn their bodies, there was an incinerator found in the bunker, and then scatter the ashes around the property.

They would bury the bones, they would try to kind of make the bones brittle enough to dust them into powder. Allegedly about 45 pounds of bone remnants were found. So I don't know what happened, but Charles decided that he needed another vice. The little thing that you screw to hold things down from a construction store. So he goes into one and instead of paying for it, he decides he's going to steal it. And so he steals it, walks out of there with this heavy vice, pops the trunk of the Honda that he also stole with Leonard. From a dead person, from someone who has disappeared, who has a missing person's report out, puts the vice in there,

and that is when the sales clerk is like, hey, what are you doing? So Charles is like, oh, shit, I'm got. So he runs, he flees on foot. Now Leonard has been in the store, like they were together the whole time, so Leonard's pissed. He goes up to the sales clerk, and he's like, oh oh god that's my friend. He probably forgot to pay for it. Like let me pay for it. Please let me pay for it. So he's busy paying for it. But one of the sales clerks already decided I'm gonna call the cops. I mean this is so shady. These guys are so shady. So the cops get there within minutes and they're looking inside of this open trunk. I mean it's just completely open and they see the vice. They're like it's

a stolen vice. There's the vice. They also see what looks like a small clutch in the trunk so they open it up and there's a hand gun. So the police are not having this. They're not into this and Leonard walks out and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on? I have the receipt. No need for the police or to arrest my friend. I already paid for the vice.

Like it's fine. It was just a misunderstanding. Okay, well, who does this car belong to? Lonnie Lonnie Bond Okay, but he runs the plates and the plates show that it should be registered for a Buick not a Honda So someone had switched the plates. Why is why are these plates not on a Buick? That's strange So the cop is like, you know, that's illegal, right? To switch plates on a car. So give me your ID.

I got to arrest you. So Leonard gives him the ID of one of his potential victims, not his real ID, because he's a fugitive from the law. Remember the firearms charge, right? Now Leonard looks so much older, because the license says that he's 26, but Leonard was 38. So the cop's like, that's weird.

Check the gun registration, and it's registered to the person on the ID So he's like, okay, all of this is so strange. I just got to arrest you for owning an illegal weapon There's a silencer on this gun. That's illegal. The license plates are all messed up. You just let's go So they get into the car he's arrested and he's being taken to the police station Charles had disappeared. He's running And when they take the Honda, it gets even weirder. The Honda is now licensed to someone else entirely, Paul Costner, who had disappeared. So we've got the license plate of someone else, the car of somebody else, a license ID that doesn't look like him. How many identities are going on right now? So once Leonard's taken

into this police station, they find a receipt on him. And it was signed by Charles Gunnar, another person to add to the equation. So these people are all missing. Yeah, so they're like, this is strange. What's going on? So they sit him down in the interrogation room and he says, okay, I will tell you guys everything. My name is Leonard Lake. I'm a fugitive from the law.

I have a firearms charge out against me, felony charges. And my friend who stole the vice his name is Charles Inc. I'll give you guys the full confession as long as can you get me a pen and paper and a cup of water I want to I want to write a note for my wife So they bring him a pen and paper and a cup of water and the police give him some privacy to write this letter But when they come back he's laying on the ground, foaming at the mouth, and having a seizure. So he's taken to the hospital where he's barely alive, and it's found that he had ingested

two cyanide pills, that he always wore with him. Like he would sew it into clothing, he would tape it to his lapels. This guy was serious. And so now the police are left with another puzzling thing. Is he dead or he's alive? He dies. Oh, okay. Yeah.

The police are wondering, okay, we just thought that maybe that's a stolen car. What kind of guy kills himself over a stolen car? The note said, dear Lynn, I love you. Forgive me. Freedom is better than all else. I'm sorry. Mom, Patty and all. I'm sorry for all the troublety and all, I'm sorry

for all the trouble, love, Leonard. So who's this wife? Let's look up his marriage certificates, they find cricket, and they reach out to her. They're like, we wanna search the play study was living in, right? We've got these warrants, where is it? And she's like, oh, that's my dad's cabin.

It's super remote. Like, I'm really busy right now, but I could totally take you tomorrow. Like, I would give you the directions, but you would get so lost you have to take these back roads and then you're gonna miss the entrance and I can take you guys all the police there tomorrow like I'm gonna be super cooperative but I can't go today now the police tell her straight up you cannot go before we go you know that right and she's like don't even worry about it so the next day when she

agreed to meet the police to guide them to the bunker, to the cabin, she comes late. So they're like, why are you late? What's going on? And she says, oh, I probably should let you guys know I did go to the cabin. Why would you do that? Oh, because it was just so dirty. I wanted to tidy it up.

This I think also fuels the speculation that there were more victims, that there were more videotapes because I mean the fact that they would journal and document all of these things but we could only find, you know, two, three clips here and there. It's just all so shady. She probably trashed everything, right? Yeah. And they had a big incinerator there. So they searched the place.

The cabin was not hard to find at all, okay? They were like, this is the place? Like she knew what she was doing. This was not that remote. They found bullet holes, stains all over the place, blood stains. The bedpost had hooks to tie someone up spread eagle. Inside of the dresser were just a plethora of women's lingerie. A lot of them had dark red blood stains. Matrices were heavily stained with dried blood. The incinerator was super suspicious. Inside of the tool shed, there were 21 photos of 21 different women hung up on the wall. Young women, some of them were nude, some of them weren't.

I mean, the police are thinking all things. Like, is this a trophy list of all the women that they've killed? Thankfully, a lot of them were still alive. They were able to trace a lot of them down, and they were still alive. They also find a treasure map drawn to show where little treasures were buried. Now this is not to be super, it's not out of the norm for Doonsday Preppers. They like to bury food, they like to bury money, right? But a lot of the stuff wasn't so innocent. So that's when they dig up these plastic paint buckets with sealed lids and that's where they find Leonard's journal. The video tapes of Kathy and Brenda and of Deborah were found. They found photo albums of more naked women. They found other journals. And then when they look over to the corner, they see these little

ants, a bunch of ants near the soil. And they're carrying these little white pieces of gravel, it looks like. Shut the front door. They were looking at ants yeah but when the police looks closer they're like that's not gravel that's larvae that's maggot larvae which means something weird is buried so they start digging and sure enough once they dig they hit bone fragments thousands of bone fragments were gathered at the scene on the third day of the search Leonard Lake died in the hospital of cyanide poisoning,

and Charles Zing was still on the run. Nobody knew where was he. They dug up more plastic drums, found bank cards, checkbooks, personal items, ID, social security cards, no traces of the two kids were found. Remember because Lonnie Bonn Jr. Sean Dobs, they were killed here. But they couldn't find their bones but they couldn't find their bones They couldn't find their remnants. They found a liver that looked to be about belonging to someone who's three or seven years old

Which is older than those two kids? So that kind of- And that's not identified. Yeah, that kind of opens the question of Yeah. Did more kids die here that we don't know about? Yeah. They found another video that included a snippet of two bodies in sleeping bags in wheel

burrows. The same wheel burrows that they found near the bunker. They find the body of Lonnie Bond, the husband he had plastic tied around his head, handcuffs on his wrist, a ball gag made out of leather song and a rubber ball jammed into his mouth and he had been shot in the head. They find a Scott Staples body who has found in a sleeping bag, buried fully clothed barefoot and he had plastic trash bags wrapped around his upper torso and a smaller bag around his head.

This is what's so sad about this. The killer, whether it was Leonard or Charles, had fired three shots into Scott's mouth. So that means that they had pushed the gun into his mouth while he was alive and it broke his jaw in the process. And when they shot that bullet, that bullet along with fragments of Scott's teeth were forced down his throat and it tore up his vocal cords. I couldn't find, like if the autopsy said that death was instantaneous, but I really hope that it was. So in total, they found five different bodies and about 45 pounds of bone fragments

and they were linked to 25 different people. So like the most confirmed is at least 12, but 25 different people in terms of, oh, we have this person's social security. Well, we have this person's list. So the hunt for Charles got intense. I mean, the FBI is looking for him. Everyone's like, this guy is dangerous.

He's got connections in Canada. He had a sister living in Canada at the time. He has connections in the United States, Hong Kong. He's a fugitive. He's on the run. And the thing that would bring Charles down was a tin of salmon. So he actually made it to Canada under a fake name

where his sister was currently living and starts kind of staying with her. So he goes to a grocery store and he steals some salmon and two liters of Pepsi and starts walking around stuffing more cans soup into his pockets, sugar other foods, slip them into his backpack and he walks out of there without paying. Now two of the security guards, they sell this. So they follow him and they say, hey, hey, you're under arrest. We got to look inside your bag. And as they're looking, looking he's like okay, okay, let me get you my ID

You can arrest me right so he grabs into his bag and instead of taking out his ID. He pulls out a gun So these two I mean security guards. They just tackle him They're like this is life or death. He's gonna kill us so they tackle him the gun fires two times the first time It doesn't hit anyone the second time the bullet hits one of the guard's fingers. And he said it was so painful. I mean he had the Charles down in like a chokehold, but he felt like something was hammering into his hand. So Charles was arrested in Canada for attempted murder, robbery, and possession of a firearm. So once he gets arrested, I mean the United States is like, oh, we want that guy. Okay, thank you very much.

And he puts, he finds out that Leonard Lake is dead. And of course Charles puts, all of the blame on Leonard. He says, oh, well, yeah, I might have been in those videos, but Leonard Lake, he's the one that killed them. I don't know they were dead. He said that he was just going to non-walks with these tortured victims. That's it. I don't know. What do you mean? They're like, well, what about Lonnie Jr. the baby? Yeah, I saw Leonard kill him.

And when they asked, how was this two-year-old killed Charles said that Leonard put this two-year-olds head between his thighs and just started twisting the upper body like holding me head down. So in Canada Charles went on trial for attempted murder and he was found not guilty of attempted murder. But he was found guilty of assault in robbery. I mean, I guess legally it makes sense because technically the gun discharged. It's not like he tried to kill them actively. It's just a little weird. So he was sentenced to four and a half years behind bars. But the United States was like, we got to extradite the shit out of him because we're trying to charge him for 12 different murders And he wanted to avoid this at all costs and during this process he started getting too close to a cellmate He even drew pictures for this cellmate So one of these pictures was Leonard holding a weapon one hand whipping Kathy and

Masterbating in the other hand and there was little caption bubble of Leonard saying, I love you Kathy I really do there was a camera set up on a tripod and behind it, Charles was eating a bowl of rice saying, rice, dinner time. That doesn't really sit right with me. There were more drawings of Beastieality. They did own a German shepherd, so who's to say if these happened or didn't,

it's all up in the air, etc. But the cellmate kept all of these and turned this into his lawyer to try and see if he could get last time. For being like a jailhouse, like a jailhouse source. Now to be fair, he was in jail for sexually assaulting a young boy, so I don't really feel like, oh wow, he's a hero, but just keep it in mind. He also told the cellmate that they raped Jabra after stealing her husband's video equipment

and she wasn't a quote, good to my D. Also stated that it was easy to kill holes. That's what he referred to women, holes. But it was hard to kill children. And he said that Leonard, you know, tried to convince him. It's like when Nazis were given puppies to kill as training practice. This is that. Killing kids is good practice for the future. Charles, of course, would later claim that all of these are lies from the celmaid who just wanted to get out of prison and all of those drawings.

That's just satire. You guys don't have a sense of humor anymore? That's what he claimed. So Charles gets extra-dited to the United States and he played the justice system like, oh my my gosh like any other. He would stall his case for close to a decade over a decade actually. I mean he did this by constantly firing his legal defense that was a sign to him. The whole thing would cost taxpayers 20 million dollars. This is one of the most expensive California criminal court cases and it would take place in Orange County.

Even though most of the crimes took place in Northern California at the time, Orange County had a good amount of Asians. So they felt like we can't get this wrong. We got to put them in a place where they've seen Asians before. Is that really why? Yeah, because they're like, if we do it, and well, sometimes the relocation had to do with the fact that the case was too well known.

They couldn't find any impartial jurors in Northern California. So if they were going to move it to Southern California, might as well pick a place where there's a little bit more Asians. Because they just didn't want to screw it up, because that would cause a lot of tension. I'm sure between different governmental entities. So multiple things pissed off the public. Why was they allowed into the Marines? How did he not get deported after being caught with those firearms, you know, and spending time in prison? Why did he not get deported after being caught with those firearms, you know, and spending time in prison? Why did the prosecutors give Cricut full immunity for her cooperation? She was never arrested, she was given full immunity, and her cooperation did not do that much.

Really wasn't like star witness. Especially because in another videotape, Cricut was pretending to be Cheryl, one of the dead women buried on the property. She was role-playing as one of the victims. Yeah, so it sounds like she's full on into this right? She was part of this whole thing. Yeah, and it was her parents' property that this was all happening on. The trial was a show. Charles had to wear a shock belt because he was out of control. I don't know those things. Shock belt. Yeah. Under his outfit, and they could just control it and shock him. Like, electrocute him, really. Yeah, he was that out of control. The witness in Canada was supposed to testify in the United States to his cellmate, the one that got all the

pictures and stuff, but he got into a really suspicious car accident right before the trial and died. And most of the trial was about Leonard Lake. So the jury was getting frustrated. Like we get it. Leonard was disgusting, but he's dead. You know, like what does that have to do with Charles? They would bring in like all of Leonard's ex-girlfriends that have never even met Charles. And so the jury was getting frustrated with this.

Charles somehow got access to a cell phone and got one of the jurors numbers, her phone number. I mean, this is crazy because the jurors were so severely protected from the media that their names were never released, none of this. They were known as like juror number one and it was, I know a lot of cases are like that, but this one was hardcore. They were like, privacy over everything, but he found out her name and her number and kept calling her. How is he so powerful? Like for what? So finally, he was found guilty of 11 of the 12 murders

and sentenced to death. California has not had any executions since like 2006, so as of now, he remains alive and on death row. Oh, is he? Yeah, alive and on death row. Wow. This whole thing is this guy scary. This this guy scares me. I think it's the fact that he's so nonchalant about it. So nonchalant. And I think what's interesting

is I do know that a lot of serial killers, you know, and a lot of rapists is like a power thing. They have a hatred against women. But this is so bizarre. They maintain some relationships. I mean, it's just very much very in-cell culture. It's not just like a psychopath wants to kill every woman that he sees. I don't know how to explain it. This just makes me so terrified.

I don't know what's more terrifying. This crime, yeah, I mean, this crime. But also,. I don't know what's more terrifying this crime. Yeah, I mean this crime, but also, if you go down the Insel rabbit hole, if you go on these forums, it is so scary to see how many people genuinely think this way. And that is why it's so scary these days. Exactly.

You never know, you might bump into one at Trader Joe's and you are like, oops, sorry. And they're like, going home, writing these blog posts about how this femmoid in yoga pants deserves to die. And they're like, geez, how he's. I'm scared. So, I mean, I hope you guys enjoyed this, definitely not a mini,

so I gotta stop doing that. And I will see you guys on Wednesday. Bye. and I will see you guys on Wednesday. Bye!