Rotten Mango - #94: The Baby Faced Killer (Case of Gonzales Family Murders)

Episode Date: September 5, 2021

The goal was simple. Break into the house - sneak into the upstairs room and murder the 18 year old high school girl.  Now comes the hard part - the wait. Waiting in an eerily silent house near the body of the young girl till her parents come home. They too have to be murdered.  Now for the finishing touches. Write on the walls in big blue spray paint “f**k off Asians KKK.” Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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a very important meeting that night. They were going to kick in the screen door of the kitchen, enter the house, do whatever it takes to get the job done. The goal here is simple. Go upstairs, kill the 18 year old high school girl who would probably be studying, then wait in the house next to her body while she bleeds to death and wait for her parents to come home. Kill them both. And don't forget the most important part of all, before leaving. You have to grab the blue spray paint and write on their kitchen walls as big as you can.

F*** off Asians. KKK. That got really hot and heavy. As always, yeah. That was very. Wow. I mean, we're just going to get into it. As always, full source notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com, but this is about the

Gunsailas family murders and it's absolutely insane the amount of twist, the amount of turn, the amount of just like what is happening, the drama, the subplots and this. It feels like a movie when it really shouldn't. I mean, how is this real life? And it all starts in a small town called Baguio. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. And it starts with a man by the name of Teddy Gunsailus.

Now he's the fourth child, the youngest in a very, very poor family. Now don't judge this family though, because they've got good values. They're tight-knit, they love each other, they've got this incredible work ethic, and they called him baby Teddy. He was the family's tiny little baby, he was the youngest. Now Teddy's brother said that since they weren't born with this silver platter, this silver spoon just shoved in there but it had to be implanted in them to just strive hard to be successful. So Teddy, since the day he's born they keep telling him one day you're gonna grow up, you're gonna do amazing things, you're gonna do big things, you might be a lawyer, an attorney, a freaking doctor, what about a neurosurgeon. Since like he's one years old,

they keep kind of suggesting these things, and you think, well, now it's gonna go the opposite way. He's gonna turn into like an absolute crazy child. No. Teddy was a hard worker from the get-go. Ambitious. I mean, the one thing that people said about him was that he was so much hurt for his age

when he was even young. He was obsessed with setting goals for himself surpassing them, truly for Asian parents. They probably couldn't have been any prouder. He gets into law school, passes the bar exams. He actually placed 13 in the entire country of Philippines that year for the bar exam. I don't even, that sounds crazy to me, okay? He did so well. Everyone then knew him, said that not only was he ambitious, but he was gonna be the best attorney ever because he was fair. Okay, he's like looking at me like, huh, does that really make the best attorney?

I feel like it's a really good judge. Maybe if you want to be at a attorney and become a judge, right? Here's the thing, I feel like everyone has this feeling. Let me know if I'm wrong. You hate attorneys, I hate most attorneys. They're sleazy, they're all snakes. But then when I think about getting an attorney to represent me in anything I'm like, do I want the nice guy over there? Or do I want that snake? That crazy go-getter over there.

From your years of research to what kind of attorney that makes the that really helps the case? Yeah, blunt. Blunt? Yeah, and snake. I wouldn't necessarily call them a snake, but more blunt and incredibly aggressive. And I'm not saying that they're fighting for the good things, okay? They're not great people. That's not what I'm saying either, right? But those are the ones that win things. So you think what makes a good attorney is someone who what that's aggressive? Hmm, like just won't stop, can't stop, aggressive. In university, he meets this beautiful woman by the name of Loiva, and she was the eldest of six children. She also was really mature for her age, because she almost was like this pseudo mom for these siblings.

She raised them. She was like their second mom, just helping them through life, their schools, their food, she would feed them. And even though she was only 18 when they met, she had this aura about her. Just poised, elegant, proper, polite, someone who was raised right. And she wasn't raised in amazing conditions either. She grew up sleeping on the floor because there weren't enough beds or spaces for everyone in the family. Within a few months they get married. I mean, it's crazy to think that this married couple is going to end up from the Philippines, and then in Australia, being brutally murdered by people who

I guess really hate Asians. I mean, how do we even get there? People would tease them non-stop the couple because they were madly in love. So they were constantly holding hands. That's what they did. Even when they were, you know, well into their marriage, when they moved to Australia, they've got kids already, they still hold hands all the time. Like, they truly loved each other. And like a lot of Filipino families, they were equal partners in their relationship. So both sides, they just had tremendous respects for each other. There wasn't like a head person in charge. I'm gonna, I'm the man of the house. Like, there wasn't any of that. So they start doing these business ventures together. They start getting into real estate, property development.

They started opening up a video shop, a pharmacy. Then they started popping out kids. So their first one was a son named Seth. SeF. I'm not saying Seth incorrectly, okay? It's SeF. Now, this is not a popular name in the Philippines that I could find out because it seems like most people had no idea what the name came from.

Everyone in the family was like, well how did you come up with this name? Where did you, did you hear it somewhere? Did you watch a movie or you know, do you know someone with this name? And they just kept telling everyone, we're going to tell Seth why we chose this name for him when he turns 21 years old. And we will never find out. Then three years after Seth, they had another child, a daughter named Claudeine and they were three years apart, they kind of got along in the beginning but not really.

And the whole thing that this family wanted to do, the parents said this is the dream. We're going to build a hotel. A massive four story, 40 room hotel. We're going to name it the Queen Victoria Hotel. There's going to be a lounge, a restaurant. We're going to live in there Victoria hotel. There's gonna be a lounge a restaurant We're gonna live in there. It's gonna be our business our primary residents Are you kidding? This is like this sweet life of Zac and Cody. It's gonna be so freaking fun So they work hard during the construction phase they get their permits and they set up shop and it was doing well

People loved it people love the ambiance people love the, people loved the fact that the family lived in the hotel Like it just I mean they did so well. They are from this town They set up the hotel in this small town. They were passionate and everyone could see it They put their whole hearts into it and then in 1919 There was one of the worst earthquakes in the Philippines. I mean this whole area this small town was hit really really hard And when it struck that hotel started crumbling. I mean a ton of buildings were completely leveled during this. So the earthquake hits, chaos.

Parts of the ceiling are coming undone, dry wall is coming undone, bookshelves are falling over, everyone's running out trying to get to safety. I mean wherever that is, the hotel starts caving in. There's rubble falling down on top of them. So everyone's like, wake up, you know, save Claudine wake up. They start rushing out the hotel screaming, make it out, come on, we gotta go.

They look back. And they see that the hotel is still crumbling. They're watching their entire dream, their entire life just crumbling because they live there. All their stuff is in there. Crumbling to the ground. And that's when they realize, where's Seth?

He was right behind me. I thought he was behind me. No, how old was Seth? He's like eight. So they started screaming Seth and they hear him screaming from underneath the rubble. Without even a second thought, the building could still cave in at any given moment. Teddy rushes into safe Seth,

and he had to get on all floors to get through the rubble. Seth, where are you, right? Now, Seth's leg was stuck under some rubble. So you know, take that rubble out, force him, help him to safety, and they both made it out alive. Seth could have died if it wasn't for his dad, and his dad could have died by trying to save Seth.

It was like this really unfortunate situation. Thankfully, he was, you know, brushed to the hospital. He had to have multiple surgeries on his foot, but he was, you know, alive. When they get out of the hospital, though, they realize that their entire life, their entire family life, their entire business is gone at this point. They don't have a business, they don't have a home. What do we do? Seth is pretty much traumatized. He doesn't even want to go anywhere near that hotel, understandably. So why don't we start fresh? Why don't we try moving to Australia? Louisville had some family members who had moved there. They love it. They had

so much success, you know, and they probably won't be that many earthquakes there, right? That's what they're telling the kids and their kids are like, yeah, Australia, let's go. So they pack up their bags and they move to Sydney. Now, the parents felt like we're starting from scratch again. You know, yeah, we've got money, we've saved up, we've got property in the Philippines, but we really need to work hard to make it in Australia.

So they start working hard. Teddy gets his license to practice law in Australia, opens up his own law firm as an immigration attorney to help Filipinos to come into Australia. So he did become a attorney? Oh yeah. Is that not crazy? And it's like, you know, he's helping out his people to immigrate just like he did for the Australian dream. And Lloyd, Lloyd, yeah, she was working as his assistant inside the law firm. And business was great.

They were able to buy their dream house in the suburbs. I mean, they were really living that Australian dream. And that's it. No, that's not it. Because being typical Asian immigrant parents, no matter how successful they are, no matter how much that they can give their kids, they want their kids to not only have better lives than them, but they want their kids

to achieve more than them. So they keep putting a lot of stress. Now that they're settled down, they're really turning into, kind of I guess what you would think of Asian immigrant parents like the tiger moms. Come on, you guys have to study more. You're not allowed to date anybody

until after college. But then after college? Immediately. The minute that you graduate you get that diploma, where's the grandchild? Why is there not one on the way? Wait a minute, I just make any sense. So Seth, he had no problem. I mean, he has always been great at school. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure, it's a lot of tension in the house. But he's a smart kid. He's going to be a doctor one day. Maybe a lawyer. Maybe he's going to follow in his dad's footsteps.

Everyone that knew Seth called him relatively reserved. A very disciplined kid. Very similar to Teddy, like how people would describe him during his childhood, focused on school, his extracurricular activities, a well-rounded student. God, that's a traumatizing phrase. I remember so many college little meetings and they're like, you gotta be well-rounded. You're like, oh no.

Is it true? For college applications, yeah, you gotta like do this and do that. Oh gosh. So, Claudine, she did well in school too, but nowhere near what self was doing. I mean, she was a bit more outgoing, wanted to hang out with friends, super talkative, loved sports. I mean, the two of them, they start fighting a lot in Australia, the siblings. There was a sense of competition between them because whoever was doing the best in school was probably the favorite of the family at the time. Like you're getting that extra dumpling if there is one, you're getting the last ramp

on the table, you're the favorite, okay? You get to ride shotgun. But regardless of that tension, Seth was super protective over Claudine. Like this was his baby sister. And Claudine secretly looked up to Seth. She would never, in a million years, had been in front of him, but she really admired his work ethic and his intelligence. So this type of environment really fosters secrets.

You know the kids, they can't date, they can't do any of this. So of course they're gonna have their secrets and each sibling has their own secrets and they exchange them. You promise you won't tell mom, I'll tell you if you tell me, right? Now Claudine's secret was that she ends up

getting a boyfriend named Chris. How old are they now? They're in high school now. Okay. So she ends up dating a guy named Chris. Doesn't sound like a big deal, right? But they're not supposed to date. So distracting you from your studies. Somehow, the parents find out and they take it seriously. They say, that's it. You guys are breaking up. So they force her to break up with him. They take away her phone privileges. They

take away her computer privileges. And then eventually, when they find out that they're still talking, they send her to live with a relative. They move her from Sydney, Australia to Melbourne, Australia to finish high school. Undistracted away from boys. Now, to be fair, even Seth didn't like Chris, not because he was distracting Claudine from her studies, but because, uh, it just seemed like he was a bad influence. Like, he, Chris just seemed like a weird dude, so what Seth would do is he would actually call up Chris and say, you need to leave my sister alone because I'm part of the White Dragon Asians.

The what? Yeah, it's a gang. The White Dragon Asians. And I'm gonna be coming after you, okay? Me and the Asians. I can say this, I'm Asian, okay? We're gonna be coming for your thick arms. And it worked.

Like Chris was terrified. He was like, the White Dragons. So he broke up with Claudine. gonna be coming for your thick arms. And it worked. Like Chris was terrified. He was like the white dragons. So he broke up with Claudine. Like they were still talking to each other after she moved to Melbourne. But after this, he was not having it. Not the white dragon agents.

Like he was terrified. This game doesn't exist by the way. Like it's all made up. But Seth, he too had a little secret. Everyone told him, got to be a doctor you got to be an attorney but truly he wanted to be a singer and already hip-hop singer oh yeah he told his parents listen I'm gonna just sing on the side it's gonna be great for you know wester curricular for my college apps like that's

why I'm not taking it seriously and his parents would be like good Don't take it seriously because that's not a job. Yeah Okay, my bad so he joins this boy group called definite vibes Definitely a vibe that name is kind of a definite vibe Transiting transiting exactly back in the day before vibes was like a yeah as popular as it is today exactly yeah so they performed at clubs they had these dance-offs dance-offs at clubs now a lot of people said that they were a little bit awkward on stage but it did really well because Seth even got offered a

$40,000 recording deal with a major music company in the area well I wouldn't say like major but like a smaller music company in the area. Well, I wouldn't say like major, but like a smaller music company in Sydney. And he's still just in high school, so that's crazy. Now his parents were like, yeah, no. You're not doing that, like absolutely not. Are you kidding me? You're gonna be in a journey. Definite vibes, my butthole, get outta here.

So he had his stands too. Like he had fans, he had groupies, he had girls that would come to Lid really every single club that he ever performed at. And one of his super stands was a girl by the name of Daisy Diaz. She had a website dedicated for him called Daisy's Dedication page for Sefi. And it says, I'm Daisy Diaz and I wrote this page for my best friend Seth. Remember that he's a sweetie and a true friend.

Besides being trustworthy, cute, adorable, kind, understanding, intelligent, and can sing in a way that makes girls' hearts melt. Just talented. She talks about how talented he was. He's got a cake boxing. Oh, here's a photo of him modeling. Sure, it lists.

She was like, oh my God, spoon, right? He does athletic stuff. Wow, and he's smart. Like she was kind of like a borderline, is she admiring him or is this gonna turn into something creepy vibe? Does that make sense? Like it was in a regular fan page.

Like a regular fan page is like, ha ha, like it would have happened. Oh, I love this person, right? But this was a, if you mess with him, messed with me type of page okay it was clear that she wanted to date him there were a ton of poems out for him you know pictures of him performing on stage that were candid so it seems like she was following him around from stage to stage did they know each other from high school we don't really know she wrote in a post every time close my eyes, I think the Lord that I've got you babe and you've got me too.

Some people think that there's no such thing as a dream guy. Well, in my eyes, you prove them wrong. Sethi, if you ever stop being my friend, I would be so incomplete. Okay, you read it a little creepy. Okay. You like it to you, it a little creepy So in college self decides yeah, I definitely want to get into law like I don't think med school is my thing It's just not for me. So he starts going to school work in part time under his dad What what's wrong with that? I'm just thinking about the pressure of all of that. I'm like holy cow

Okay, he's learning the ropes. Maybe he's trying to take over. Getting his degree and he's doing really well. I mean the Gonzalez parents, yeah they're strict but they're not the type to not show affection or praise. So when they notice that he's doing well, I mean they surprise them with things. So for example, they surprise them with a Ford Festival green like truck. He was so stoked. I mean this is his dream car. He had been wanting this for ages now and finally he could he could drive around and do things. Not pick up girls though because his parents would take away his car then even though he's in college, you know, but anything else he can totally do it. He even got his license plate to say, S-E-F-G, Seth Gunsaylis. And on top of that, once the two kids were grown, the parents had plans to sell their dream house,

use that money to buy both of them their own starter places, and downsize their own place. So like I said, like the Gunsailas parents, they really were not just tiger parents. They wanted their kids to really strive for great big things, but they showed them a lot of love. They did spoil the kids. By the for great big things, but they showed them a lot of love. They did spoil the kids. By the time 2001 comes around, everyone's doing really well.

I mean, Seth, he had some super fans that kind of might be on the border of being stalker-ish, but that's fine. Like he's got a support group. He's successful working for his dad school. So he's still singing? Yeah. Okay. Like, he's doing a lot.

Okay. Yeah, he's school's going great. Still made time for his passions, like kickboxing. He loved techwondo. Yeah, I mean, just a lot's going on. Right, parents were about to renew their vows. That's true love. And Claudine, she was about to turn 18. She's going to come home from Melbourne

to celebrate with the whole family. July 10, 2001. Claudine is living with the other family for the next couple of days. It was just her 18th birthday. She had a blast. They went out to dinner, right? So she's staying for the next two days. So she came back from Melbourne. Yeah. Which for from school, right? Yeah. Just for like a couple days. Okay. She doesn't live here a long time. No, not yet. So both parents leave for work and Seth goes to school, then he has to go to work on his dad's office,

then he had plans to meet out with some of his friends that night. A guy named Sam and he told his mom in advance, he said, hey mom, are you sure it's okay? Like don't make dinner for me, don't be waiting up, like please don't call me and be like, why would you here for dinner? I'm telling you, can you confirm?

And she's like, yeah, sounds good. good Claudine she was home at this point she just wanted to stay home you know she had her dinner festivities last night with her family she leaving in a few days just resting so the house really was empty except for Claudine now lovia sister which is Mrs. Gonzalez sister her name is Emily and she had picked up her son from daycare that day. Oh, who is this? This is Mrs. The Mom's sister. So like the aunt of the kids.

Oh, it's God. Yeah, so the aunt, she had picked up her son from daycare, and she's like, you know what? I'm in the area. It's what? Six o'clock. She's looking at her watch. Yeah, it's six. My sister should be home from work.

I'm gonna stop by. Ooh, maybe some family gossip. We'll drink some coffee, eat some snacks, talk about the family, right? So she's got her scar drives on over. She had tried to call Lovia, but she wasn't picking up. But she just assumed. I mean, this is not like a spontaneous woman. Like Lovia is pretty by the box.

Like, she would be home around this time. So she drives up. Thankfully, the rain had stopped. It was raining before. And she's like, okay, well, I don't need to get my umbrella. I can just take my kid, knock on the door. We're going to get coffee. How old is the kid? Like eight years old. Okay. So when she gets there, there's no lights on. I mean, it's completely silent, which is weird, because it's getting a little bit dark, but it

doesn't look like any of the rooms have their lights on. Nobody just sits in their house in the dark. Okay, weird. She sees Seth's car in the driveway. Okay, well, maybe they all took one car to get dinner. That's weird. So she's- I thought Seth isn't coming home. Yeah, maybe he had taken a different car. Maybe his friend had picked him up, right? So she sees a small light in on the back of the house, maybe like a kitchen light. She gets closer and she starts, you know, kind of knocking. Knocking more. Nobody answers.

No noise. This is bizarre because they've got six tiny little dogs that bark like crazy. Like, I don't know what kind of dogs they are. I don't know the breed, but I'm imagining Chewawa's in my head. Just like tiny little Chewawa's. Barking. But there's no barking? No, no, but no barking.

I'm trying to spend a little bit more time on me. No, no, but no barking. I'm trying to spend a little bit more time on me, a little more me time because after we moved It's all just been family time after family time And what are my favorite things to do when it's just me is play best feigns? I'm obsessed with this game. It's a super fun mobile puzzle game that I have been playing for years now And it's challenging like it makes my brain just gets so excited So if I'm laying in bed after a long day of work been playing for years now and it's challenging like it makes my brain just get so excited. So if I'm laying in bed after a long day of work, this is what I pull up on my phone. If I'm on the toilet, this is what I pull up on my phone.

And if you guys have never heard of it, which I'd be surprised because I talk about it all the time, best fiends has thousands of puzzles and they add new ones all the time. Like it's so hard to put down your phone sometimes because I'm already on level 421. But my goal is to be like, probably like 460 by the end of the month. And my favorite thing is that I can literally play it anywhere without having to worry about using up my data or finding Wi-Fi.

So even when I don't have internet for whatever reason, I never have to miss out on any of the thousands of fun puzzles best beans has to offer. And remember how I said, this is my me time thing. But it's not really anymore because my whole family has jumped onto this. Like even my dad, he doesn't even speak like a wink of English, he has been playing best fiends on his phone. It's free to download, you can start solving puzzles right away, there's a ton of cute characters that you can collect called fiends that you get along the way, my favorite is probably Bieber at the Bumblebee, so freaking cute.

It makes it feel like you're a kid again, and I love the fact that it's really casual, like you don't have to be like a crazy gamer. And we're not the only ones that love it, because it's had a hundred million downloads. That's insane. Make sure to download the five star rated puzzle game Best Fiends free today on the App Store or Google Play. That's friends without the R. Best Feens. And that's when she's about to walk away and in her peripheral vision she sees what looks like a man standing inside with a coat on.

And she kind of freaks out and looks back and says, oh my god, and her son's like, what's wrong, Mom? I think I just saw someone in there. What? So he peeks in through the little side window near the front door. And he says, Mom, that's just the coat stand. Oh.

And she's freaked out, okay? So she doesn't double check. She's like, are you sure? He's like, yeah, why are you being so weird? You're scaring me, Mom. Like, don't be so creepy. She's like, okay, why are you being so weird? Don't you're scaring me mom, like don't be so creepy. She's like, okay, maybe you're right. Here, why don't you get in the car?

I'm gonna go check. Let's just check it out. She's determined to check all the other doors, maybe the side door, maybe the back door. See if they're unlocked. If she can go through the back, maybe she can see what's going on in the kitchen. Look through the kitchen window, right?

But for some reason, the minute that she gets to the side of that carport, the side of the house, something told her not to go further. A strange gut feeling. She doesn't know what it is. She says, okay, maybe I'm overthinking things. Maybe it's the fact that it was raining and it's kind of gloomy now because it stopped. I just want to go home. There's so many of these instances of people about to open the door to something but they have a feeling. Do you think it's just like that unsettling feeling? Yeah, probably something is off about the house, but it's so settled that you don't notice it, but your body just feels like,

oh, it's just too quiet or it's just too this. So something is telling you it's off. So she gets back into the car with her son and she goes home. Now Emily still keeps calling the house. Emily is trying to call the aunt, still tries to call the house, try to get in contact with Lovia, her sister, like hello, why were you home? That was weird, where are the dogs? But she keeps getting the busy signal. Meanwhile, Seth is out with his friend Sam at a restaurant called Planet Hollywood and he had ordered this massive cheeseburger and he just felt like something was wrong too, and he just can't eat this cheeseburger. He said, I don't know what's going on, and his friend is like, hey, what's wrong with you?

Why aren't you eating? And he just, I don't know, I just feel weird. I don't know, maybe it's the fact because my mom recently got food poisoning. She had to go to the hospital like a couple days ago. I think she like ate at a restaurant and it was like undercooked, but she stayed in the hospital overnight and now I'm like, is my cheeseburger undercooked? Like I feel weird. So the friends like, all right, well, why don't we just go to the arcade next door? Let's just hang out there. So they hang out at the arcade, then they end up going home. So Seth at this point, so this is around like 11 p.m. He drops off Sam at his house and goes home.

Now when he gets home, he notices some things are off too. It's like around midnight. The fact that he parked the car, and he said that the dogs were now barking. Like the dogs are barking. And he said this is weird because the dogs don't really bark when he gets home, like they know the sound of his car. And so he's like, okay, what's happening right now?

What? I know. A couple of hours difference between when the aunt came. But the dog wasn't barking earlier. Yeah. Okay. So he gets into the house and the first thing that he sees is his dad's bloodied body right at the entrance.

He sees his momied body. Right at the entrance. He sees his mom's body. He checks on his sister. Sees her body. Runs out of the house, panic. He calls emergency services, 911. I think it's like 00, zero over there. And he says, like, please, someone shut my parents. And like, it's really like frantic.

Like he's sobbing the whole time. They're on the floor. Someone shot them. Please come. Like what do I do? There's blood everywhere. He runs to his neighbor's house right across the street from him. And his name is John.

And he's like John, where are you? Please help me. He's literally banging not just on the doors, but on the walls of his house. Because no one's coming to the door. My parents, they've been shot. And John at this point, I mean, he's scared. Okay.

He's confused. He's like, well, how do we know where the shooter is? Like, what if it's still in your house, dude? Like, he doesn't want to go. So another neighbor comes out. He hears the whole commotion. His name is Shane. And he's like, what's going on?

What's going on with you guys? Why are you guys screaming? And he's like, my parents, my parents, please. We gotta do something. We gotta do something. Help me, help me. And John's still like, I did, I don't know, I'm gonna go in and call emergency services

because I don't know where that gunman is and I'm not trying to go inside, right? Yeah, but are you supposed to go back in or are supposed to go somewhere else? I feel like if there were a random stranger, I might hide and call emergency services, but if it were my family, I don't think I'd be thinking. I think I would just be like, I gotta like see if my mom's alive.

I don't think I'd be like, oh, but what if, you know, I think I'd be like, oh my god, what do I do? So he's like, we gotta go, we gotta go. So Shane is like, come on, just tell me what's going on. We're calling, let's wait for the police. Let's wait. So he gets them to the driveway and he sits down with him. he's like you have to calm down, okay? Look at me. Just tell me what's going on and he's like they're they're all shot I think they're dead like we have to do something He says, well, what do you mean I didn't hear any shots and he says I don't know like I just got home Please they're all dead like you have to help me

Okay, it's okay. Well there were these two guys. I literally chased them down the street before he came to John's place and I couldn't catch them Wait, who said this? Seth He said he was chasing people like he wasn't necessarily chasing them But he he saw two people leave and he thought that they were leaving his house Like they look so suspicious when before he opened the door no right after he opened the door and saw the bodies and somebody ran out Yeah, oh He opened the door? No, right after he opened the door and saw the bodies. And somebody ran out. Yeah. Oh, what?

Of like a different door. So he's like freaking out at this point. He's like, I don't think that they're in there. Like I gotta go inside. Oh, okay. So Shane's like, no, you really can't go inside. Yeah. And out of nowhere, a mid conversation,

he's like, I know CPR, I know CPR. So he rushes back into the house and Shane's like, fork, I gotta follow this guy. He's like 20 years old. Seth is 20. He's young. He's got this baby face, okay? follow this guy. He's like 20 years old. Seth is 20. He's young. He's got this baby face, okay? Like, he probably looks younger than 20.

So Shane is thinking, this like teenagers, no, he can't be alone. So he rushes in there after head. And he's like, this is not a good idea. Like, you don't wanna see your parents like this. And Seth is just, like Shane said, it was emotional. He's just sobbing and calling him Papa. I don't know if that's like,

he's just saying Papa, Papa, like shaking him, trying to get him awake and he won't wake up. And Shane has to pull him off. And it's like trying to comfort him, but it's really tragic. This whole thing is so tragic. And there was this huge hole in Teddy's chest. Like the injuries were extensive.

Shane knew. Shane is logically thinking right now and he knew that Teddy was dead. So he's pulling, pulling Seph off of him. And he said, my mom too, and he runs around the corner and he's screaming at his mom like, Mommy, Mommy, like, please! And Shane pulls Seph off, it's gonna be okay, it's gonna be okay. And he drags him out of the house.

I mean, this guy's a wreck. And he's like shaking hysterical in the garage. The police rush to the scene. They have no idea what they're walking into. They have no idea how many people are in the house, how many are injured, how many are dead, if the killers are nearby. And Seth is waiting there just frantic.

So they first find Teddy's body. No pulse. He had been stabbed multiple times. His spine had been severed partially so he was partially paralyzed at the time of the attack. So it wasn't just a blow, it was none of them were shot, but it was so bloody it looked like they had been shot. They were all either stabbed or hit with blunt forced trauma, with what they imagined probably was a baseball bat or something. They find the mom, her throat had been brutally slit, she was also already dead. They go upstairs, they find the 18 year old sister, Claudine, she was dead in her own room and she was laying in a fetal position, covered in her own blood. There was blood all over her walls. They all had extensive defensive wounds,

so this was not an instant painless way to go. I mean, they fought long and hard. It was really bad. The whole process was, it was bad. So they start trying to piece this story together. I mean are we looking at all three of them attacked at the same time because that means how many killers are we looking for? I mean one thing that they did know is that all three of them tried to fight back and there's no really clear evidence as to why until they walk into the kitchen. And they see the big words in blue. the kitchen and they see the big words in blue. Fuck off Asians KKK. Did they think this was the motive or you know sometimes people fake a motive right? See that's where it gets even more confusing.

None of the motives really work. Really? So let's talk about the time of death because that says a lot and this is going to kind of freak you out. Now Claudine had died first. She died at approximately around 4 p.m. That's what the police and the doctors believe. Now at this point all of this information is kept confidential within the officers and the medical examiners. They're not releasing this to

the public. They're not going around telling people about the time of deaths. So everyone from the outside perspective, they just think, well this family of three has been, well this family of four, three of them have been brutally slaughtered in their own house. Claudine died first around four p.m. She had been studying on her desk, someone sneaks into her room, comes up behind her and starts the brutal murder. Lovia the mom, she comes home first before Teddy does. She came in through the door, immediately was attacked. Didn't even have time to take off her shoes.

That was around 450 p.m. So someone had waited. The killers had waited with Claudine's dead body in the house for like an hour. That's creepy. Yeah, and sounds like probably someone knows their schedule too, right? Yeah, and what did they do in those hours? Like what did they do in those 50 minutes? Did they trash the place? Did they rob the place? Were they looking for

something? The whole place was relatively clean. Other than the bodies and the blood in those specific areas, nothing seemed to be trashed. So Teddy leaves the office around 6.30 p.m. Get's home. On his way home yet actually called his wife and nobody picked up. Not that alarming though. He walks straight in through the door and he was attacked by the killer or the killers immediately. So why would someone wait between four to seven PM to kill the whole family? And did they wait for Seth?

Like was he supposed to be their last target? Is that why he saw them running out of the house? Or maybe Teddy was their main target? Then why didn't they attack Seth? Because I mean, I think that he was probably screaming the minute that he saw the dad. So the rest of the families, they were ambushed. Got it.

They didn't have time to really react until they were in the process of being stabbed. So they had to talk to Seth, OK? But this guy's a mess. I mean, this kid's like a wreck. So he's in the family garage. He's confused. He's scared and he kept asking for rosary beads

because they're Catholic, right? And he doesn't know what to do. Like this is his whole family. He's always really been under the direction of his parents. So he doesn't even know what to say. So they say, okay, well, tell us what happened. Well, I came home after hanging out with Sam and I saw these two people.

I think that they were men, they were wearing hoods and masks. And I mean, their body shaped in there just the way that they were running seemed like men men but they had run out of the house and down the street. And so I tried to chase them but I couldn't catch them and then I was like okay well I can't do this, I gotta get my medical attention from my family so I called 0, 0, 0, 0, I went to my neighbor's house, I was freaking out.

And they say we'll do no anyone that would want you guys dead. Nobody, literally nobody. Last night something happened, but I mean, I'd be crazy if this is connected. There was an incident where we were all going out for Claudine's birthday dinner. We were in the same car, and we almost got into an accident with another car. And they drove up right next to us, rolled down their windows and said, bloody Asians. And then cut us off and drove off. No. OK, this is weird.

Now the police are confused, is this a hate crime, like a road rage hate crime? But the crime scene is strange. It doesn't really fit perfectly with the hate crime, because if you're that full of hatred and that disgusting of a person, I would imagine that they would trash the place. They would, in my head I'm

like, they'd probably like urinate all over the place. You just look really disgusting. That's what I imagine, really racist, murderous people to be doing. But the whole place was relatively clean. The dogs were placed in the laundry room, you know, with that's what they were barking when Seth came home. And there's really no trashing of the place. Maybe some of the closets were open, the only thing trashed were really low-vious purse and Teddy's briefcase. But when they searched that, they couldn't understand because there was cash left in them. So it's not a robbery either.

Does that mean that these people were looking for something specific? Did the family have something specific in the house that the killers were probably looking for something specific. Did the family have something specific in the house that the killers were probably looking for? Because all of their expensive computers, jewelry, they were out in the open. Nothing was taken. Just doesn't make sense. So how did they get it? The kitchen window screen was all stabbed. I looked like someone had cut into it. But you still have to rip it off the window and there wasn't any sign of force that it was ripped off like viciously Like someone kind of took their time with it So these killers are weird

Are they just that professional? Have they done this a lot like what's going on? The murder weapons were also all from inside the house So if you're gonna go kill strangers in a house because you hate them because they're Asian, you would assume that even the stupidest criminal of them all would pack a bag, or at least bring one tool, right? So they're like, okay, we'll set, run us through the day bit by bit because maybe there's something that we're missing.

Like did you see someone around the house? When you were at the office, did someone call? Did he have an angry client that came in? Just tell us. So his aunt is with him, Emily's there, and they're both running through the day. And he says, no, it was like a super normal day. I went to school, I went to work, and I kept

reminding my mom, like, you're sure it's OK if I go out for dinner? She said, it's fine. Go out for dinner with your friend, Sam. So while I'm at work, Sam text me, and he says, hey, change of plans, I have a basketball game. And it was just really unclear. So I'm like, what the heck does that mean? I have a basketball game. And it was just really unclear. So I'm like, what the heck does that mean?

Like, you have a basketball game. Like, we're supposed to meet. I don't, I don't understand. So he's like, okay, maybe I'll just go home and wait for him to text me back because at this point, he was, it's time for him to get off. So he drives home, parks in the driveway around 6 p.m. The house is, you know, super dark on the inside. No lights are on.

And he didn't think that his mom was home So he's like, okay, that's weird because she should be home And it's raining pretty hard doesn't have an umbrella so he decides to wait in the car till the downpours stops a little bit Wait, he didn't go inside. No Why I called Sam from inside the car? Because okay, so you know when it rains it like you get that crazy rain and then it slows down So you didn't have an umbrella, so he's just waiting for it to slow down.

But if he's gone in at that time, yes. A lot of things could have been different. Yes. I mean, there's so many just weird things going on. Like these moments. So then he calls Sam and he says, hey, like what does that text mean?

What's going on? But are you also saying at that moment, the killer are in the house? Yes. So Sam is like, okay, let's do eight o'clock. And now he's like, eight o'clock, what am I going to do for two hours? And you know, he's kind of thinking, if I go in, my mom's probably going to like try to convince me not to go out to dinner. So he's like, okay, I got to go.

I got to just like, I'm still meeting my friends. We reverse his out of there and he starts driving to another friend's house. So he's like, I'm just gonna hang out with my friend. But I don't know if it was the brain or if he got lost, but he ends up not meeting with his friend. And it's like, okay, like this is like the shittiest day of my life. And he goes, picks up Sam, they get dinner,

and he's just feeling weird through the whole dinner. Like just- He was wondering around for two hours? Well, it wasn't really like a two hours at that point it was like maybe an hour because you're gonna go pick up Sam you know so it's like one of those awkward situations where he didn't have enough time to do something so he picks up Sam they go to dinner and go to the arcade afterwards he goes home and the first thing that he noticed when he pulls

up is that the dogs are barking like crazy he's's like, that's so weird. So that's when he goes in and he finds his whole family. Now the press is going crazy. The media is going crazy. None of this makes sense. Is it a hate crime? But that doesn't fit perfectly. It's Teddy doing something shady with work. He's Asian.

Maybe he's running some weird. We talked about this a lot, right? Every freaking movie. Okay, I don't know why everyone imagines the back of a Chinese restaurant to be a 10,000 square feet of full on gang activity without one grandma playing magiang. We gotta get more creative with our movies. So they're thinking, you know, it's maybe Teddy doing something shady at work. Or maybe Seth, that guy Chris was saying, hey, remember Claudian's ex boyfriend? He's like, well, he threatened me.

He's part of the white dragonization gang. So now the press is like, wait, did you say Asian gang? Maybe Seth was part of a gang and he had messed with the wrong people and this is a gang getting their revenge. Maybe it's a race, race rivalry. You know, f*** off Asians, maybe the KKK I'm assuming, maybe they're, you know, different race that were like, you know, forkulations. But none of those leads really looked that promising. So they really dig in to Teddy's work and they find a couple of things that were alarming.

The first being that he had four charges that recently were cleared of him falsifying documents for Filipinos to enter in Australia. So they were lying on their documents, the government found out, they were pissed about it, but all charges were cleared. There was another incident where he was trying to sell property in the Philippines, and the investor got really mad. So the investor of the real estate property was just pissed and he called him and in front of a lot of Witnesses at Teddy's workplace

Called him and said I will kill your whole family. Okay, and Teddy screamed Teddy is always a reserved quiet mature person He screamed for the first time in his office. Fuck you and hung up the phone time in his office, fuck you, and hang up the phone. Then another incident where a couple of clients were really upset with Teddy because they were denied visas into Australia, but he kept their payments. So could it be them? But again, none of those were looking promising. So at this point, three days after the murders, Seth offers a $100, dollar reward for anyone. They can please help catch these killers. And he says, my father is my hero, it all matters. My greatest aim was to one day become at least half the man that he was. My mom was the heart of the family, just a very strong, passionate person.

She made it seem like nothing was impossible. No problem insolvable. And my sister was the life of the family. She was an expert in smiling. She made us believe that life should be taken lightly, and it's difficult to explain the love and ties in a family. But if you were to picture the four corners of the world, in my world, we were the four. And now the three corners of my world are gone. Please, like if you know anything. So there would be a joint funeral service for the whole family.

Over 300 people would attend. And a ton of clients came up who felt like they wouldn't be in Australia. They weren't for the help of Teddy and Lovia, high schoolers that were grieving the loss of Claudine that wanted to support Seth. They were there. Police showed up because the killers are still at large. They haven't been caught and many people went up and gave powerful eulogies. And then the emotional moment came when it was time for Seth's. People were breaking down. It was emotional. He talked about how he wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for his dad's bravery

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Sorry, I never told you all I wanted to say now it's too late to hold you because you've flown away. So far away never had I imagined living without your smile and I know you're shining down on me from heaven like so many friends we've lost along the way and I know eventually we'll be together one sweet day. It was emotional for the family, for the friends, but the journalists that were there, that something was a little strange. You know, they'd covered a lot of funerals before. Something about this one was different.

Was it the fact that it was a little strange for them to see Seth up there singing this song like Really giving it is all almost as if he's on the voice Or was it the fact that they were even allowed into the funeral? In fact, I mean journalists typically for a high-press coverage funerals unless they've been you know part of the family They've been helping the family get coverage. They're not really invited. Nobody really wants them there. But there was even a media section to take on photocopies of the eulogy so that they didn't have to take notes.

Just felt like weird, a little too easy for the journalist. Almost like they didn't even have to do their own jobs. That's what the journalist was feeling? Yes. Just a little something was off about the funeral. They had no idea that the police who were also watching the funeral unfold felt off too. Because they had their eyes on Seth since the moment he found the bodies.

Are you kidding me right now? Let's start with the police feel. The crime scene itself felt stage. Seth was frantic, he was sobbing, I mean his shoulders were shaking, but his face was completely dry. No slumber, no snott, no tears. And he was audibly making a lot of noise. No tears? But there were no, I mean it was just dry.

He said, I perform CPR and everyone I try to help my sister, but there wasn't much blood on him. So yeah, you know, if that doesn't make any sense, he said no, and I kept trying to perform CPR with my bare hands. It just felt like an over-explanation. Well why don't you have a lot more blood on you? I was waiting outside for you guys in the rain, it washed the blood from my clothes. It was drizzling outside.

They also noticed a small blue stain on the sweater that Seth was wearing. What else is blue? The spray paint used to write four goth-fasions, KKK. Oh my goodness. Okay, Seth, well we have to search your room. And he says, wait! Can I tell you something in confidence? Sure, Seth, well we have to search your room. And he says, wait! Can I tell you something in confidence? Sure, Seth, you can tell us anything.

In my dresser, I have porn. And he was right in the face. He was embarrassed. That's so strange. Most people would not even think of that. I mean, when their family has just been brutally murdered, that's the last thing you would think of, what's in my room? Oh Oh my god porn. It's not even illegal. Weird.

Later they had Seth recreate the discoveries of his family's bodies. They do that a lot in a lot of different countries and they do that in the US too, but um, like it's just a process that retraumatizes people. So he does it and he doesn't seem retraumatized at all. And the whole timing of it seems off He says who will chase the guys out of the garage So I went down to the garage opened it and when it was just open enough that I could slide under that's what I did What was it one or two people you're chasing? I can't remember were they in a car? No, no, no car

But then he would tell a different officer a different thing there were at least three of them two, two to three of them. Then he would tell another one, they got into a white four-wheel drive. They took off. He also would tell officers, I mean, there was blood gushing out of my sister, like the side of her body, and I was freaking out. Now the police didn't tell him this, but they knew that the time of death. They knew that she had died around 4 p.m. time of death. They knew that she had died around 4pm. And if he came home at around what? 11, 12? She wouldn't be gushing blood. She was already dead. You don't gush blood when you're dead. Or I'll have to do that many hours. Because your heart is... Once your heart stops, it's not really gushing. They might still come out of your body, but it's not like splirting or throbbing out.

Witnesses saw Seth's car parked outside in the driveway during the time of the They get might still come out of your body, but it's not like splirting or throbbing out. Mm-hmm. Witnesses saw Seth's car parked outside in the driveway during the time of the murders. They talked to Shane, that was there that night, the neighbor, and well, there were some strange things. He said that Seth was sobbing, saying, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and he went to comfort him, like this poor kid,

and he was trying to wipe his tears, right? But there were no tears. But he was like, okay, maybe this is like a traumatic response. Maybe this is like a stress response. Maybe your body is so much in shock that you don't even have tears. Who are you to judge? You know, you've never had an experience like this, right? So that's what he's thinking. Who the hell am I to judge?

I've never been in this position. Yeah. And so when the police start questioning Seth's friends, things are getting stranger. Nothing is matching up with what his family knows about him. To his friends, he was a successful entrepreneur of a security business? Yeah, like he had started a security business. Is that true or not true? No, and he also was the manager of a massive international superstar boy band.

I don't know which one, but I'm hoping it's not like a good one. He was a singer himself with a record deal and they asked, what else do you do in your free time? I'm a lawyer, I'm a champion, kickboxer, I'm a model, I'm also a manager of a huge modeling agency. Wow, Sav, how do you do it all? Well, it's gotten a lot easier since I beat cancer. These are things that he's telling his friends.

Yes. And he's also training for the Olympics. You gotta add in that one, right? No, the family didn't really know any of this. They just knew that in college, Seth was struggling. He wasn't really getting good grades. All they did was hang out with his friends,

want to perform with his band, and the parents, they tried whatever they could. They threatened to take away his car. He started trying and his grades started improving. So everyone seemed happy again, around the time of the murders. Then Seth came up to Claudine one day and said, hey, are you doing well in school? Because if you want, I can actually help change your grades for the parents.

She said, what? Is that what you're doing for college? And she ended up confiding in the parents. This is what Seth is doing. And on top of that, Seth was dating someone and his parents were pissed. Not only are you not doing well in school, but you're dating someone like we're gonna take away your car. Then there was another added level of tension because family member accused Seth of trying to steal money from her purse.

And he didn't deny it. He said, well, if the opportunity arises, I'm just an opportunist. So what can I say? That the family's confused, like, what's going on with the sky? So they tell the parents and self's parents are like, oh my God, we thought that he was stealing cash from us too.

We never had proof. Then the police talked to Sam. Sam said, I never texted him, I never called him. It was always APM. Since the day before we were supposed to meet at APM, that was like the time that we said. I never talked to him at 6 p.m. Then the phone record showed,

there truly was no caller text. Okay, so what's the truth? They bring in Seth for questioning and the aunt Emily, who had been at the house, she's there supporting him. She's like, no, this is our baby Seth, don't you don't you dare you police are disgusting so she's holding his hand the whole time and the police are like where's the suspicious of you it's like what are you talking about why did you kill your parents noah well who

do you think killed your parents then I mean probably if like I don't know like a business and I mean I don't know I don't know like a business enemy, I don't know. I don't know how am I supposed to know all of these things. Like I'm scared. Like I don't know if I'm next. I don't know if I'm being framed right now. I don't know if I'm a scapegoat. I just don't know what to do. And he shows an email and he says literally I got this email and I'm freaking out with my family. And you know, the aunt is like, yeah, she's the the email and he's like, I don't know what to do. It was written in a mix of Tagalog and English and it says,

you were supposed to be the third person. You're lucky you weren't there. Third person? Yeah. So like saying, you were supposed to die instead of your sister. Oh, okay. And so the police are like, what the fork? Now run us through that day again.

Okay, well, he's running through the day then it was raining and I was sitting in the car. And that's when the aunt immediately, instinctively, takes her hand away from Seth. Because she had come around 6 p.m. She had seen Seth's car in the driveway. He wasn't in the car. And she had noted very importantly that it wasn't raining. It had just stopped. She didn't need her umbrella. Neither did her son. She would never make her son walk in the rain to the front door. And so from that point forward, she decided

to work with the police. The police take his computers and they try and see if they can locate where the email is coming from. And oddly enough, a draft was stored in Seth's computer, a draft of the threatening email. Yeah, a draft of the threatening email. I don't even know what to say at this point. They find more evidence on his computer. They start going through his searches. Before the murders, he looked at poisons that don't taste strong. Easily mixed in with food, poisonous plants and plant parts, sprinkling the end product with soup, how to kill.

These were his Google searches. He ordered two highly lethal plants online from the United States, and he started looking at Australian-based ones so that they could ship it to his house faster. But one of them wasn't taking orders at the moment, so he emailed them. It's my mom's 60th birthday, and she loves these particular seats. When she saw them in Florida last year, oh my god, she was smitten. Please, let me get this for her for her birthday. She's 43 and she hasn't been to Florida. So like, what's going on? When the police approached him with this, he said that was probably my dad, not me.

And when they're like, no, no, no, we know it's you, especially because in your room, we found a clear vial of liquid. we just ran it through the lab, and it's a poisonous liquid that comes from one of those exact seeds that you had ordered online. And it would be lethal enough if someone had taken it. And he said, oh, that was for me. I was planning on eating it myself. Why would you do that? Because I lied to my friends that I had cancer and I needed to like you know back it up somehow So I was just gonna get a little bit sick and be in the hospital What? And remember a couple days before the motor lovia had to go to the hospital for strong stomach pains

She had no idea where I was coming from oh my god She kept saying like what's wrong with me and stuff said you know what mom my stomach hurts a little too Poison yeah, and she's like oh my god when we went out to eat last week just you and I had that dish She's like oh my god. We got food poisoning from that freaking restaurant So he's already tried to kill her once yes He also Religiously visited that page made by Daisy Diaz, his fan page. So they're thinking maybe she's involved. Number one fan talks about how much she loves

and they're like, kidding. So they ask her, where can we find her? Like, where you guys dating? Do you guys know her from high school or something? No, she recently died. What? A teenager? Wow, that's tragic. What happened? Well, she lives in the United States and she died during 9-11. This was in 2001. Who said this? Seth to the police. He said, yeah, she just died during the 9-11 attacks. She's based in New York City. I actually went to her funeral. You did? Can you show us some receipts?

Because you got to buy an airline ticket. You can't just show up. Yeah, not today, but I can show you. They find out in reality. Daisy Diaz did not die in the September 11th attacks. She doesn't even exist. It was sad. It was him posting all along.

What the fork? So then he lies to all of his remaining family members who are somewhat on his side. Well, they're just mainly confused. They don't know what to believe, right? Because he's telling them the police are just trying to look for an easy way out. I mean, I might believe it. If my cousin was like, not Dan Dan, okay, if my other cousins were like, listen, I did not kill my family. They're trying to blame me because they're lazy.

They don't want to do their job or maybe there's corruption. I don't know, maybe I would believe it because it's like my family member and I'm like, jaded, like I got my little rosy glasses on and I'm like, oh, my family member could never. So they decide we're going to help support you. He says, well, the police says that I have to move out of my house for safety reasons. So I need you guys to pay for this very expensive condo because I try to get my inheritance, which is worth millions of dollars. Yeah, the parents had, I think, close to two million dollars of assets in Australia and a couple million in the Philippines in terms of real estate.

But I can't get it yet because the police are investigating me so I need you guys to pay for this very luxurious condo And they did and they did and on top of that he sold all of the family's valuables without even getting consent from family members Jewelry cars everything for what? Because he wanted to buy a two hundred thousand dollar Lexus What I didn't know they had a $200,000 Lexus. That's, yeah. That's dumb. Yeah, so he's like, yeah, I gotta buy this $200,000 Lexus.

He puts a deposit on it. And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna pay the rest when I get my money, my inheritance. Then the police confront him with the fact that many people, even the postman, a lot of people saw your car parked, but you weren't there. So your car was parked in the driveway at the time of the murders, but you weren't in the car.

So were you in the house? Because that would put you at the crime scene at the time of the murders. He said, you know what, I lied about it all. Okay, you want the truth? I'll tell you the truth. I went to a sex worker's place. I went to a brothel. You know, I didn't want to shame my family because they thought I was a virgin,

were Catholic. I left the office, I parked my car at home because I can't have my car near a brothel. I walked to the local gas station, I got a taxi to the brothel. And then I had sex with a sex worker and no, you can't verify payment because I was so good at the sex that she told me that I didn't have to pay. So I didn't even pay her in anything really. Just good old sex, like the best sex she's ever had really. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I cannot believe this. So, then I got a taxi back home. And then I went to go pick up Sam. So that's why I don't really have an alibi

because I was, you know, doing other things. Okay, well, it's the sex worker's name. They go interview her and she's like, I wasn't even working that day. But, he has my phone number and he has texted me over a hundred times begging me to say that he was with me that day and that the sex was so good that I didn't even charge him.

Oh, my god. Then they tracked down the alleged taxi driver that drove him and he said, wait, what? A murder investigation. He told me like he just needed proof for like his girlfriend or something or like his mom. And so I was like, yeah, I'll be your alibi for 50 bucks. He's like a little kid trying to cover their own little lives. Exactly.

And it's like, how do you in your head do you think that this is how the real world works? Because that's not how. You're brutally murder your whole family. I think it's like the juxtaposition of how do you do something so heinous and brutal like that, and then be the biggest, I don't even, yeah, idiot. Yeah, just bizarre.

He would actually tell an undercover cop, and I quote, people don't suspect me because it's just Seth with the little baby face, but I have a split personality. I can hide what I do. He talks about how he's part of a gang. So they do a handwriting analysis and it's a partial match for the graffiti on the wall. So at this point, you know, it's closing in on stuff. So what does he do?

He tells his family that he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Yeah, chronic. It was gonna be life threatening, he's gonna die, and he needs about $200,000 to get life-saving emergency. So they go to the police, because that's bizarre. And at this point, side note, he had actually gotten a different lexist and guess what the license plate is. It's the biggest slap in the face and it's

gonna make you so pissed off. TLCS, Teddy, Lovia, Claudine, Seth. He got the license plate to be the Kiss family members names. Are you kidding? After you murdered them, you use the money from selling their valuables? And that's what you get on your license plate? So then he calls the cops and he says my place has been broken into. I've just gotten threatening emails Oh, it gets worse babe. He says the emails say make it easy on yourself. Confess to the police now. Your father deserved it They investigate. There's no evidence that the place had been broken into and the IP address for the email was coming from an internet cafe with no CCTV footage in Sydney, Australia. Not the Philippines. Like he was trying to make the first email scene half-tag-a-log, half-English, you know. Then, you know, he starts getting bizarre. He tries to do these media interviews.

Then the police find him lying on the side of the street in a gutter with a plastic bag near him. They rush him to the hospital, and he looks at the doctors and he says, where am I? What year is it? He's laughing because it's, no, yeah. Who am I? Who am I?

Who am I? He says who am I? He's like trying everything he's ever read. Do you know what your name is? No. He had suffered memory loss. The doctors were skeptical because there was no trauma to the head at all. It's like me just showing up at the hospital tomorrow being like, what year is it? Is this Mars?

Are they flying cars yet? It's like there's no evidence that anything happened. Like none at all. Sure, maybe there could be some, you know, medical mystery in the works, but like really, you think so, it's just so convenient. Then magically, all of a sudden, when the police show up, his memory comes back. And he says, I know what happened. I was kidnapped while I was walking down the street, pulled into a random car suffocated with a plastic bag over my head, and they started beating me on the head with something

like a piece of wood, okay? And they said, if you continue to talk to the press to the media, I will kill all your family members, especially your grandma. And then they just tossed him back out. He suffered temporary memory loss. So at this point, when he mentioned the grandma of the police, they're like, okay, this guy, we don't know if he's gonna kill his grandma. Just try to cover things up. So we got to arrest him. So they arrest him on three counts of murder. Ran his prints gets even crazier. There was a match.

To what? A letter that had been sent recently. Oh man. To a food manufacturer. And it says, I have contaminated your products with deadly poison on supermarkets shelves. This is what happens when you treat your employees like shit. Good luck finding the contaminated products before people die. Go to hell. Does he work for them? No. Oh.

Because he was trying to poison his whole family, and this was like the alibi. So if this company goes into full-on meltdown, starts recalling products, people end up being poisoned. It's not safe, he's just the tragic, you know. I don't know, maybe got inspired by the very famous Japanese case, remember? The monster with 52 faces or whatever, where they were, you know, saying that we put cyanide in all these little pockies and all these little snacks and stuff. Yeah, but this guy though.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that also coincided with the Google search that he did looking for the address for the manufacturer. So I'm just saying, like, what's going on? Does he not think that Google searches? Does he think that like anonymous or something? Like he's like, Google is pretty much the dark web.

No one's going to know. Are you kidding? Are you kidding me? So he wasn't offered bail he did try to get his entire inheritance to pay for his defense but they refused so it's kind of this tricky situation where taxpayers would be paying for his defense the inheritance for the rest of the family would be split amongst the remaining actual innocent family members yeah this was just a lot of debate

because he was upset and I'm not saying that public defenders aren't great they're amazing and they do incredibly difficult jobs for really not as much pay as private criminal defense attorneys. They are genuinely good people. Like you do not become a public defender because you're trying to make bajillions of dollars. Like you're doing it to represent the people that don't have

money for banging attorney. But oftentimes because they're overworked, because they're not paid appropriately to the job that they do, they might be too exhausted to do as, you know, as snaky of a job as other attorneys. So he's really pissed about it. And his attorney comes up with, you know,

the defense of, well, it's not him. His lying has nothing to do with the murder. His lying is just PTSD from being trapped under the rubble in the earthquake. And he's just got issues. He's got issues because his parents never loved him. They were really strict and he still wets the bed. Now 20 years old, yeah, he pees the bed. They're like, okay, well, we still think that your ass is guilty. So they find him guilty and Seth was genuinely shocked. It's like what? And all the family said, yes, justice was served. We just wish it wasn't him because it makes it so much harder. It just feels like they've lost another family member. And here's what he said to them. Whatever pain you're feeling, this is to his family member. Whatever pain you're feeling grandma.

I'm feeling it worse than you. I'm not gonna plead guilty to something I didn't do just to make people happy. Just to make people happy. Who's happy? Yeah, what? Like you think the prosecutor cares that much about you? That is weird. And so he was sentenced to life without parole. Still fails to accept any responsibility claims he's innocent. And it's just like the most heartbreaking situation. And I just want to preface this by saying, you know, he's 20. Let's say, because I saw some sources that were like, oh, well, the tiger parenting was, is questionable.

He was spanked as a kid. He's 20. Maybe if I had more facts on this tiger parenting, if he was also like 10, 12, you know, and he's being brutally abused at home, has, feels like he has no chance of escape. But at 20, you can just walk away. You can walk away at 20.

Especially from these parents. Maybe, you know, not super abusive parents But these parents from all their friends and family. They're saying they were strict. They were not abusive. Yeah, just sound to me. It just sounds like the pretty Standard strict Asian parenting. Yeah, I just really like yeah and the fact the way that he killed them too. Yeah And it seemed like it was the it was just with knives and bats like just brutal so they they saw him the whole time I just can't just don't see how someone can do that and the primary motive was not to be freed from discipline or from the strict Quote-unquote, abusive household. It was for money because he went to go see his dad's accountant the day after the murder, to see when he could to seize the assets, seize control.

So the motive was very strongly money. I mean, look at what he's doing. He's buying this $200,000 Lexus. He's trying to get into this condo. He did write a poem as a kid that is very just eerie, so it wrote, um, just what is it in me? Sometimes I don't know. Though you're in me now, I fail and hurt you still.

You have forgiven me too many times it seems. Take me out of the dark, Lord, because I don't want to be alone. What are your thoughts on this case? I just, I mean, none of that makes sense to me. None of that makes sense to me. I mean, it's obvious that he's a narcissist from what he's like writing and all of those daisy-de-as dedication page to him. Maybe it's a situation where a narcissist is being forced with to face the reality that he's not that great?

Let me know what are your thoughts on this one. And I hope you guys enjoyed this week's mini-suit, and I will see you guys on Wednesday. Bye!