Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Aromatherapy

Episode Date: January 15, 2015

This week on Sawbones, Dr. Sydnee and Justin are gonna unlock the infinite power of your nose. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers (http://thetaxpayers.net)

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, not a sense, the escalant macaque for the mouth. Wow! Hello everybody and welcome to Saul Bones, a metal tour of misguided miss and I'm a co-host Justin McAroy and I'm Sydney McAroy

Hey Justin. Yes, you're what do you got what's this? What's this box you got going over here? This what's there every week? It's every week sweetie. It's my my do Tara You got a lot of stuff on your desk. So I don't I you know I can't keep track You got a lot of stuff on your desk. I do. I can't keep track. You buy a lot of things. So it's hard for me to know all the new things that you buy.

That's my dootara. What is your, now what is this? The Roman therapy, atomizer, thing of my jig. Okay. And what, what do you do with it? Well, I, but I mean, I loaded up with water and then we just basically put some oils in there

to try to set the mood, get a little nice little fog going to sweet smell and fog. If you can tell, they got sandalwood, that's definitely sandalwood I got in there. So that's definitely, and you're a really nice recording environment. Okay, so you're hoping it does what exactly for you? It just kinda calms us and it just really makes it

like a really open, accepting, peaceful, just really tranquil, recording experience. Okay, how exactly do you think that works? Well, again, just to take it back to the top, I put water in the thing with it. No, I mean, do you think you just smell it and like you get better? Or you smell it, you think you drink?

You smell it and you drink. You think it's like, this is a chill place to be, and then it chills you out. Okay. So you're just, you're just using it to chill out. Just use it to chill out. Okay, you know, there are... It works like a dream, by the way.

Does it? Mm-hmm. Okay. I haven't experienced stress since I purchased it. Oh, I would say that's not true. That's in acupuncture. That's a lie. It's in acure. You know, that a lot of people go in for this aromatherapy thing only they, they would

say that it has a lot more benefits than maybe just chilling you out. You know, it's funny. I heard some of that kind of thing when I was researching the perfect essential oil atomizer to purchase. You researched, of course you did. I'm not surprised at that whatsoever. Well maybe you want to learn a little bit more about essential oils and remodeling. So I might keep an alien in them and I am.

I guess I should at least know what I'm dealing with. Apparently they have a lot of untapped potential that I'm not really. Well, let's talk about them because I'll be honest, this is probably the most recently requested topic that we've had. Some of the most recent people have asked us to do this, Jill, Stephanie, Lara, Tamara, Chance, thank you all. I'm sure there are more people who have suggested this.

I think it's because it's really popular right now. The idea of essential oils, it's an old, old, old idea, as we'll talk about, but as old ideas often do, it's trendy, it's come around and it's trendy again. And people are using it for a lot more than just chilling out. So, so let's talk about it. First of all, do you know when I say essential oils, what I mean?

I think, and I don't actually know, but I think it's like, by essential, we're talking about something boiled down to like, it's very coarse. So you just get, you know, the, like, the squish down essence. The essential. There you go. That's exactly right, actually.

So essential comes from, that these are the essence of the plant. Right. With this oil, not because they are essential in any way I think that's an important point to me to my just general head space. I will argue they are indeed a central Okay, well we'll get back to that okay, so they can come from any plant or herb, and there's different ways to remove them, largely they're distilled, but you can also like use solvents to kind of break down plant. And it can be leaves, roots, flowers, whatever,

or there's waste of press that. You can either take it through inhalation, like you're talking about. So like putting it in something that turns it into like a fragrant steam, or just sniffing it. Some people use it topically, so just massaging the oil into your skin, or you can even take it orally. Some people do that, not many. I have a body, but down for that.

And the idea is that this helps with not just, like, it doesn't just have psychological effects, kind of like your mentioning, chilling you out, but that it also has physical effects on your body. Okay. So, the ancient Egyptians used essential oils. We have a lot of evidence. Mainly from like, you know, they had all those jars and their tombs where they, all the stuff they were taking with them to the afterlife.

Mm-hmm. And a lot of those jars had like residues of essential oils in them. So clearly they were important. What were they used for, though, like a lot of things? So in balming, the mummies that we have found were coated in these oils, but a lot of it was for in balming and cleansing the body at death. This is a good smell in lummy.

Thank you. I rubbed it down with sandalwood, an essence of lavender. You're like sandalwood, don't you? Well, it's just the funniest one that springs to mine. I guess essence of lavender is okay, but they're both really popular. You name two really popular ones It was also used at religious ceremonies. They use a lot of sandalwood. They use a lot of frankincense and mer as you may have heard Maybe jizu was way into a room a room therapy sure that that's exactly right And you this is one of the things when you exactly right what I mean it was exactly right that Jesus was into a room Okay, well, no that wasn't that wasn't exactly right, but that's exactly means Well, maybe I don't know maybe it was really into a room with there be it there. There is a lot of a

really into a room with their view. There is a lot of people reference that it's mentioned in many different biblical and various religious texts, the use of essential oils for different things, as justification for using it now. That never holds up almost never holds up, by the way. But it is. But it is. They actually had a lot of compounds. One example was something called kaiwi and it was basically like an amalgam of a bunch of different oils and herbs and all kinds of

stuff that smelled really nice. And you could use it for incense or perfume or medicine. or medicine. Now I have a question about this topic. Is this separate, a whole separate, like, department from incense? Are we like completely separate regions here? Not really. The two things were very closely linked initially, because, you know, the whole thing comes from the idea of like even perfume, meaning from smoke, that people would accidentally burn things that smelled really good.

So, you know, for warmth, you were burning trees and leaves and plants. And then all of a sudden, this wonderful smelling smoke would be all around you and you'd go holy crap. What is that great thing we just said on fire? We've got to remember that. We've got to figure out what we just burned. And we've got to keep burning it because it smells so good. And then because it would smell good and smells, do elicit emotional responses, we know

that. The center of your brain that smell, that has your scent center, your scent center. Do you get what I'm saying there? Scent. Scent. Yeah. It is connected to like your memories and so you you know there are certain feelings and memories that are brought by different smells. So people really liked it. So they would use it

for religious purposes and like incense. They would use it for perfumes because you know you wanted to elicit that kind of emotional response in a lover or a potential lover. And then it was thought, you know, if this stuff makes us feel good, maybe it makes us feel good like health wise, maybe it would make us healthier. So maybe we should use essential oils in different ways if you're sick. Smell this good stuff, rub this good stuff in your skin. This is a, this is, it's complicated for me because I have a feeling that there's not going to be a whole lot of like specific medical evidence. Nope, for a room of therapy, not skip ahead of you, but I feel like there's not going to

be, but I do think that there's, like, I think that there's a value to like The changes you can make in like in the brain right like therapeutically speaking I do find and I there I think there's probably evidence for the stress Reduction powers of certain sense right there is there is that's one of the things we'll talk about there is evidence for that It's a huge health issue, right? I mean like stress is Incredibly unhealthy. Yes. Well, yes. I mean, like, stress is incredibly unhealthy. Yes. Well, yes. I mean, are you referencing more anxiety? Yeah. I mean, most kinds of stress, I would say, are unhealthy. No, I think that's true. I think that...

Physically speaking, I mean... And I mean, I think this gets into a larger conversation about the idea that all stress is necessarily bad, which it's not. And I think I would argue that some stress is necessary. But certainly there is the whole idea that too much stress on your body, too much cortisol release, you know, it does all kinds of bad things for your heart rate or blood pressure and that kind of stuff. So I see where you're going.

Much like Matthew McConaughey, Matthew McConaughey and myself believe in the limitless power of the mind to heal the body. You and Matthew McConaughey. Me and Matthew McConaughey. Honey, it's in zone, Matthew McConaughey. Honey, it's in zone, Matthew McConaughey. We are Marshall.

We are. Marshall. JKL. JKL. Okay, so aroma therapy. Eventually, because of this connection that we've been talking about between the religious and the medical, it got to a point where you would only use essential oils if a priest told you to because you needed that kind of spiritual conduit because they

were so connected to the gods. But you're still using them for like medical reasons for whatever, you know, your herding or your sick, whatever, you're going to take this central oil, which is really interesting. Yeah, there used to be a lot more overlap between priesthood and medicine. Yeah. Like a good example, I think is a thing about fire lorrants in Romeo and Juliet, for example, yeah, he's very into like, tinctures and salves and things like that. And he probably would have been really into essential oils in all honesty. I'm certain.

Did you know that Romeo, the poison he drinks is actually a sandalwood, an essence of lavender? I don't think that's true. That is actually documented. He put it in the director's cut. I don't think that's right. Shakespeare went in the director's cut. No.

It's the poison that was. Get the blue right. Get the blue right. Get the blue right. Check out his deleted scenes. You will see. Did they have more of Juliet's boobs? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Good. Yeah. They had to put those on two DVDs. Two blue rays, actually. There's so many extra scenes of Juliet's boobs. The Greeks were into essential oils as well. They all seasoned for religious reasons, but also for like cosmetics, perfumes, cleansing, and then they thought they had a lot of healing properties. For instance, they would

actually send soldiers into battle with MIRR to use to fight infection. So if they got a wound to put this MIRR on it, then they didn't really know what they were treating per se. You know, we didn't understand microbes, but something happens bad to wound, so put this mirror on it and it won't happen. But it will. But it will. It will, it will. A later probably. I don't know.

And there are, and I'll kind of talk about this, there's a little bit of evidence for that, but, obviously people are dying of battlefield infections. Apocrity's actually wrote that a perfumed bath and a scented massage every day is the way to good health. Me and you have a cramps. have a very little problem with that statement. I mean, sure.

I would love that. Could I have that? Can you manage that for me, please? The Romans were way into oils, which makes sense, I think. I always think of the Romans as having like, I don't know, just big naked, bathhouse parties and like orgies and just eating food and they're probably all oily all the time. I mean, it was an oil and rubbed down.

They had to do their taxes and off the dog, just like it was. Build the aqueducts. They put their toe on one arm at a time., they put their toe on one arm at a time, just like your own eye. Well, just one arm. Just the one arm and then they kind of let it angle sexy, sexy little, little jauntty angle there.

Um, they, they would use the oils in the bathhouse like to create, you know, fragrant steam. Um, actually, the, the Romans were so into oils that at one point one of the emperors actually prohibited them, but pro-ubition on oils because he thought it was just a silly excess. Because they were they were spending so much money trading to get more oils so that people could smell nice. But you could still get underground oils. You just had to go to your local smell easy. still get underground oils, you just had to go to your local smell easy. Are you are you proud of that one? I am, I think I had to do that. Okay.

Everything. Yeah. Cleopatra actually had slaves fan smoke from burning incess into the incense into the sales of her ship. She arrived to help woo Mark Anthony. Not a bad gig as far as slave gigs went. All this time, we're still trying to figure out, you know. They're all bad.

It's just kidding. Sorry. Yeah, no. Well, you have to stop. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm back and forth. I say something dumb and you kind of say like, I think that

you just lay was a whack. I'm just immune to it. Oh, that's fine. I'm finally you've been here to my charms. I'm coated in essential oil. They'll allow your water and the oil with six drops and five. That's on me. Sorry.

At this point, we still hadn't really nailed down how to distill essential oils in Avacena, who I'd mentioned before. It was a Persian doctor kind of nailed down how we could distill the moon about the year 1,000. And so from then on, we were much better at making essential oils, which came into big play with the plague. So first of all, the plague, we've talked about the plague before, the bubonic plague.

And it ravaged Europe for a long time. There were different waves of it, but pretty much for a lot of the, we're going to like the 1300s, the 1400s, of 1500s. We're still dealing with plague on and off. In the 14th century, they would burn frankincense and pine in the streets, hoping that the fumes from these oils would fight off the plague. And then the next century, we move forward, 1413, there was a band of four thieves who were captured in Marseille.

This is a really interesting story. So they had been robbing plague victims, mainly dead bodies, but also people who were dying of plague. So they would wait till somebody couldn't defend themselves. The four thieves would go in and they would steal a bunch of stuff from them and take off. So they were arrested for the thievery. But then the court said the

magistrate, how in the world do you not have the plague? Right, you're down, down there in it. Exactly. I mean they're touching plague victims and none of them are ill. And the, the, we have credited this, history has credited this to them using essential oils. Now the question is, because I've heard I read different versions of this, history has credited this to them using essential oils.

Now, the question is, because I've heard, I read different versions of this, why were these men covered in essential oils? I'm assuming they're men, I don't know that they were, but I'm assuming they're men. One theory I read is that one of them was related to an apothecary who told them, hey, if you're gonna, all right boys, you scamps, if you're gonna go out and rob dead people. At least cover yourself in essential oils so you won't get the plague from them. The other theory is that in addition to stealing things from dead bodies, they also would steal oils and spices. Because, and I hadn't mentioned this so far, all throughout history, you know,

which we think about things that were precious, things that people would kill for, spices and essential oils, herbs, good scents, and stuff that would make your food taste better. People were murdered for left and right. There were wars about it. Everybody was all about spices and oils. So there was a lot of money to be made if you stole them and sold them.

So the other theories that they'd stolen that stuff so they were kind of covered in that anyway, they're closed in their hands and stuff were also coated with essential oils. They were bad at carrying the overhized jar. They were spilling. Oh, there we go. Either way, the court offered them a lack sentence

if they would reveal how did you not get the plague. And so they said We either we know or we think or something. It's all this oil all over us and they were like excellent Now we know this information. We're gonna murder you now. There's for the kingdom. Whoa. Yeah, they killed them anyway But from this story and who knows if this is true who knows if this may be apocryphal but from this story One it's kind of a weird stuff. I'm gonna say it's kind of crazy and who knows if this is true, who knows if this may be apocryphal. But from this story, one- It's kind of a weird stuff, gotta say. It's kind of crazy.

If you're gonna create apocryphal, you could probably create something that made a bit more sense in this. It probably is based in some sort of truth. But one thing that comes from this is that there is a brand of essential oils called thieves, and that's why. Two, there is the four thieves,

or the thieves formula, or recipe, you'll read all about this. If you start reading about essential oils and rheumotherapy, you'll read this term a lot. What they're talking about is a blend and you'll find different versions of essential oils that are specifically to be used to ward off disease. If you were surrounded by an epidemic, it's flu season, whatever. And you want to prevent yourself from getting it, you need to use a fourth-eaves blend.

And there are parties, fourth-eaves parties, where you'll get together and you'll mix up a bunch of this specific blend, and everybody'll use it, and then hopefully you won't get, you know, neurovirus or whatever's going around. The recipe, as far as I can tell, generally has clove, lemon, cinnamon, eucalyptus, and rosemary in different proportions.

But again, I don't know that a lot of hard and fast rules as far as the cifcus. Right. Exactly. And I don't know how much it would help, but there are plenty of people on the internet who will swear that it kept them from getting a cold or the plague or the plague that they didn't get the plague. I use Rome therapy and I have never had the plague period the end.

You know, even as your Thomas was into a Rome therapy. So it could see too far into the future. He gave people rose petal pills to protect them against the plague. What I think is great though, is that we assume that was because he believed in a Roman therapy. It may also have been because he owned a perfume manufacturing company. Oh, I like that.

So yeah, this works against the plague. Sure. Sure, yeah. I look into your future and you don't have the plague and I'll see you smell great. My miss. Eight dollars. I can see. It's eight US dollars. I can see it in the future and get you a great, minus $8.

It's eight US dollars. I can see it in the future, and I know it will be a US dollar. I know what the US dollars are gonna be worth, and that's how much it is, in case you're curious. We continue to do research on essential oils once we understood how to do research better. And in the 1800s, people were trying to figure out what are the properties of these oils

and what can they actually do. There were some studies done that showed that if you looked at the districts of southern France, southern France, or southern France, wherever, that grew flowers. In France, we pronounce it. Flans. Here in Pele, we pronounce it flants. Yo, Americans in your mouth, it sounds like frants. I can not even say flants. You say it like a native. You just insulted 70 French people. Maybe you did by calling it flowers in France and we came flowers.

Flowers in plants. Flowers in, anyway, the places there with flowers had less TB and the theory was that it was all the flowers. Okay, excellent. There were also in vitro studies done that showed the, meaning in the lab studies, that a regano could kill yellow fever. I don't know.

All right, let's, let's jump forward again. How, bring me a little closer to today. Okay, I want to do that Justin, but before I do, why don't you take a trip with me down to the billing department. Let's go. The medicines, the medicines that ask you let my God. All right, well, we're still, we're still in the past. Future past. department. Let's go. All right, well, we're still in the past. Future past.

We're in the, we're in the kind of the birth of the modern concept of rheumotherapy. And that really starts in the 1900s with French chemist, Renee Maurice got, got to, I'm, I'm, I'm Lance. Renee Maurice, Florence got a false. I don't know. I didn't take French girls. We'll see. There you go. Thank you. Sure He established what we now know is the modern concept of a room of therapy So he had a small explosion in his lab. He blew up all of his Santa wouldn't as a lavender He was he was like a perfume chemist, So of course, what are romantic place frances? They have perfume chemists. So he had an explosion, his hand caught on fire, and hopefully actually, I'm assuming.

It sounds like the origin story of a really lame superhero. Lavender man. Lavender man. Let me freshen things up in here. Dr. Stinko. Why is that the sound? Lavender being the lavender. He makes that sound. You wouldn't expect it. I know that sounds like a bad noise. Not bad smell noise. Lavender being voice. I don't know. I didn't grade it. So his hand caught on fire. I'm assuming it went out before he did this next thing because otherwise it would be

It would be stupid But he plunged his hand into a pan of liquid that turned out to be lavender oil Lucky I'm assuming the fire was out otherwise that would have been a bad choice oil is flammable Um, are you certain lavender oil is flammable? I am certain that many essential oils are flammable. Okay. Yes. All right, fair enough.

So as far as I know lavender is one of them. Let's go with it. It's an oil. Okay. Oil slamable. Okay. Yeah. Anyway.

Are you sure? I mean, you're not a chemist. You're a bio- I'm not. But I do know that many of the, that's one of my points later is that many of them are flammable. Okay. I have it further down in the outline if you had looked. I'm not allowed to look. You always mess it up when you do. Anyway, so he stuck his hand in lavender oil and the burn healed really well and it didn't scar and he thought, huh, maybe I'm onto something. Now again, this story is not, is probably not

exactly true either. I read a different account, which is probably the truth because it was supposedly based on what he said, which is that he was already tinkering with the idea that maybe these essential oils would help with wounds and stuff. And there was an explosion in his lab. In order to put himself out,

he actually rolled around on the grass. And one of his hands became severely infected with what sounds like gaskin green from the description. And he began to put lavender oil on it intentionally to try to cure it and it worked. So that's probably what happened. But this kind of led to the idea that different oils could be used to cure things. It really inspired Dr. Jean Valne, who used it on soldiers in World War I,

used different oils, specifically lavender, but many different oils to treat different wounds. It also was used by a lot of hospital personnel during the Spanish flu epidemic, and when it happened in France, in order to keep them from getting sick, so the doctors and nurses would use it, and they claim that no hospital personnel got sick.

I don't know, I don't know if that's true. So Dr. Jean Valnet is really who came up with all the dosing from then on, um, and spread the practice far and wide. Uh, now just so you know, there are no like boards of aromatherapy, there's no like license or certification in aromatherapy that you can get. I'm at your most press. No, you just, there are professional organizations and you can go to training and things and you can say that you attended, but most people kind of use it as part of another treatment like you do massage and you also do a rheumotherapy

or you do, I don't know, reflexology and you do a rheumotherapy or something. You're an herbalist and you also do a rheumotherapy. Some examples of some things that came out of this time period. So for instance, coriander, and these are all oils can be used as an aphrodisiac. Marjoram could be used as a sedative. Can it really? No, these are just things that they were claimed to be good for. That would seem to be a quick one though. It seems like it's worth that out pretty fast.

Yeah, I think you use that in some recipes. Yeah. I don't use a lot of marjoram, but you do. You can. Rose can be used as an antidepressant or a liver stimulant. That's not a thing. No. Jasmine is a general body tonic. That's never a good sign. It doesn't even make sense. Cinnamon reduces drowsiness. I would say that is not true. Somebody's never been to cinabon. Birch can be used for muscle aches. Pretty much any essential oil will say that it works for like aches and pains.

That is not like I don't know that every single one does, but from my reading almost everyone says that. Also, you could use it for pain. Ditto is stress. There's a stress in pain. Yeah. Pachouli is an anti-fungal. Okay. I don't know about that. I think Woodstock 94 all taught us that that is The accurate. There's a lot of athletes but coming out of that I bet I don't think that's true So how is this supposed to work? I mentioned that it's not just as simple as smelling something nice, right?

They're supposed to have active compounds that can stimulate different parts of your brain. And like I said, it actually cause physical changes. There's also some thought that it might stimulate hormones and enzymes in your bloodstream. I don't really have evidence for any of this. This is just the theory behind it. People are trying to prove this, but as you can imagine, there aren't like

big giant studies on essential oils. Like I said, you can inhale it, you can use it with massage. That's the way most people. And if you're going to think about taking essential oils, orally, well, first of all, don't. Yeah. And secondly, even people who are advocates of aroma therapy will tell you that you need to talk to somebody who was trained specifically in their use as oral agents. I would just say, don't ever. Don't, like, just don't, we just talk about how there's an important people that say that that's okay. Don't do that. No, and the reason that that's important

is that it's not regimented. Like you don't know from a Roman therapist to a Roman therapist if you're getting the same advice. Because there's no way to know. Or just say concentration. Like it's crazy. No, or even the same treatment for the same disease. It's not standardized.

Don't do that. So please don't take them orally. Why? Why is this? Why would this be bad? Why am I being cautious? Because they can cause, among other things, rashes, allergic responses. They can be triggers for asthma. If you have asthma, you're actually recommended to stay away from a rheumotherapy unless you talk to a doctor first. Just stay away from it. Liver damage, nerve damage, harm to a fetus if you're pregnant So stay away from him if you're pregnant interaction with other medication seizures death Death come on Sydney if you drink them

Well, if you drink is this just for drinking? No, this can also be I mean think about it If you have really bad asthma and you you inhale the wrong or a chemotherapy, okay, it could be deadly. Fine. Yeah. I think you're being a little overzealous, but whatever. I'm just saying that they're, you know, they're potent. Be careful. Also, as I mentioned before, they tend to be flammable. So if you're going to have them in your house, potent, you say, so they do work. No, if you're

allergic to them or if they irritate your airways and you have asthma, it could be bad. Fair enough. That's what I said. So now, so now, because it's a big thing now, what are they marketed for now? Well, let me give you some examples. If you read the various sites on the internet that sell essential oils, what you could use them for. Depression, sleep, anxiety, allergies, pain, aging, infections, thyroid problems, immune system boosting, whatever

that means. cholesterol, acne, asthma, burns, all simers, or low libido, MS, autoimmune disease, or bring worm and constipation, or blackheads, bug bites, and cancer. Yes, for that coming. Cancer. So, this sounds suspiciously to me Like a cure all. Yeah, and what will we learn folks? Curials cure nothing

What has been shown they maybe do help with some stress and anxiety and depression especially when they're administered with a massage So if you give somebody a nice massage with an essential oil, that can help. Which I just think makes sense. I mean, yeah. That's a lot of me. You know, a relaxing scent in a nice massage. Of course, that's going to help with your stress.

There are also some small studies that show that they can help with pain sometimes, especially when used with massage. Insomnia, itching, maybe, maybe alopecia, hair loss. But these are all very small. And again, you're not gonna see big giant studies, so that's just the way it's gonna be. Which usually the reason for that is there's no might to be made.

That's not the case with essential oils. Those things are crazy expensive. Like really, really expensive. They are. Peppermint oil can be used in one study to help with nausea and vomiting during labor But again if you're pregnant, I would not use essential oils without talking to a doctor Neuroly oil can be used to help pre colonoscopy anxiety So there you go if you want to do that. Most of us in some stage

So, so there you go if you want to do that. Most of us in some stage are for us to be anxiety. And then there are several things that have estrogen-like compounds, phenyl, anacides, sage, and so it's thought that they can help with PMS and menopause, but we've never done human studies, so yeah, yeah. I don't know. In vitro, meaning in the lab, there are a lot of oils that do kill bacteria. I've mentioned that they were used as an antiseptic, so that has been shown in the lab, but not in humans yet, like that you can use that to cure disease or, you know, infection.

And in all these studies, they make the point that your belief in the therapy will really influence whether or not you respond to it. So... Always a good sign of a real, real sure bat medically. So feel free to inhale them for the most part unless you have, like I said, allergies or asthma, or if you're pregnant, all those things I'd talk to a doctor first. If you want to use them with massage, I think that's probably fine. If it irritates your skin, you can mix it with like a base oil, like vegetable or olive

oil and it won't do so badly. Don't eat them or drink them. I think there's something called gang gang that you can use for self-love and patience. You should never use them in place of other medical treatment if you have a problem see a doctor. That's really important. I think they actually violate one of my two rules. Which are? So I have two rules when it comes to stuff

that there's no evidence for. This is when we get into like essential oils and herbs and things like that. One, they can't harm you. And for the most part, they don't, I think, with the exceptions of who the groups I've mentioned, I don't think they harm you. But the second rule is that they can't be super expensive

because then I'm worried that you're wasting your money and that somebody's scamming you. And so, they can be really expensive. I mean, they last, well, that's my point, that these are, so that violates my rule. Well, okay, but they're really concentrated. I mean, they're expensive,

but like, you can weas off a single bottle for weeks, just because you only need a few drops, diffused in water to get the facts quote unquote. You know what? I think if you want to treat yourself and you want to hang out in a warm bath or you want your lover to rub you down with some sandalwood, I think that's fine. And I think it would probably make you feel better. But if you're sick, go see a doctor. We're part of the maximum fun network here at Salbone. If you didn't sick, go see a doctor. We're part of the Maximum Fun Network here at Solbona. If you didn't know, it is a family of podcasts

that are fun to the max. That was great, Justin. Thank you, dear. You're really creative tonight. Yeah, I'm doing my best. So we got a ton of shows on the network. Destination DIY, baby geniuses. Stop podcasting yourself, featuring two of the funniest

Canadians I've ever had the pleasure of meet. Bullseye is a great pop culture show. There's a new one called Pop Rocket. It's sort of a pop culture chat show. It's very funny and that's chat show. That's very funny and that's brand new. You can check it totally, totally out. This is also my brother, my brother and me. Thank you, dear. That's a show. I do have my brothers, so you can listen to that one as well.

Or you can just listen to our show, huh? Over and over and over again. Hey, listen. Got some fun news for you Saw bones is going on the road if you are in Milwaukee or Chicago or Minnesota we're coming to your town with my brother-in-law brother meet in April First week April I think so better not be cold anymore don't be cold anymore because we're gonna be there with the baby and We're gonna be doing some live shows out there. Tickets are, I think, very reasonable. Rather than go through all the venues and what have you just go to just go to Twitter.com slash solvones.

That's our Twitter account. We're also putting up on our Facebook group you can find is just search search solvones will put up the links that you need in both of those locations. It'll probably up on maximumfund.org too. So you can find them there. But those tickets go on sale this Friday. So make sure that you are ready and waiting to buy tickets because my brother and my brother and me tickets have traditionally sold pretty quickly.

So that's that we're hopeful. Don't shake your head in me. I'm just saying. Here's my ticket to so quicky. Okay, well fine. But you should come out and see us and hang out and give us a high five. Oh, what happy Thanks to taxpayers letting this user someone medicines in our show Thanks maximum fun. Thank you to you Sydney for joining me and say you're marrying to me for low these many years

You're welcome and now be sure to join us again next Tuesday for another episode of Sal Boggs until then I'm Justin MacrioryRoy's don't draw a hole in your head Alright! Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture, Artist-owned Listener-supported