Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Baldness

Episode Date: November 1, 2013

Welcome to Sawbones, where Dr. Sydnee McElroy and her husband Justin McElroy take you on a whimsical tour of the dumb ways in which we've tried to fix people. This week: We fix that cueball of yours. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers (http://thetaxpayers.net)

Saw bones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books! One, two, one,, some medicines, the escalant macaque for the mouth Hello everybody and welcome to saw bones a marital tour of this guided medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McAroy I'm Sydney McAroy. We're in a full swing of Halloween now and Sydney. I have great news my costume

It's coming along wonderfully. Oh, is it? Yeah, I've I got the wheelchair. I've got that cool three-bro helmet I got a suit. I've got the cool three-bro helmet. I'm a got a suit. I'm gonna be Professor X from X-Men Professor Charles Xavier. Oh, that's definitely Cool costume. Thanks. I thought so too. I mean with days of future pass coming out next year I feel like I can get ahead of the rush. Right. What is that now? Is that a movie? Is that a video game? It's a film in the X-Men franchise. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I am worried about one thing, though, with my costume.

What's that? I'm not gonna buy a bald cap. Oh, so not the X-Men powers. You're not worried about that part. Like that you don't have any superpowers. No, this is a costume, it's illusion. But I am worried about not having a bald head like Professor Charles Xavier.

So here's what I'm counting on that I'm gonna start going bald. Well, that's interesting because when I married you, I was actually counting on the exact opposite. Yeah, it's fair enough. I know it's a long shot since Halloween's tomorrow. And you got a lot of hair up there. And I do have a lot of hair up there. I mean, like thick, luxurious, curly locks.

Thanks, but. Just want to, can I just run my fingers through them? Yeah, go ahead. Go on. Just help yourself. Oh, yeah. Treat yourself. That's what I like.

Now, I did give it a glow on your head. Thanks. Okay. I got, I went down to the boardwalk and I got a curse from a fortune teller. Uh huh. What, wait, what and I got a curse from a fortune teller. Uh huh. What, wait, what? I got a curse from a fortune teller.

No, I'm more concerned with the fact that they're, where did you find a boardwalk in Huntington? Oh, okay. Yeah, the boardwalk. The boardwalk where the, you know, the fortune teller there. Right, the fortune teller, the boardwalk fortune teller down on the boardwalk on the river. She cursed me with baldness.

And so I'm confident that's gonna be fine. That area of my costume settled. My worry is how do I come back from that? Oh, so you want to cure for baldness, huh? It's, she said an uncurse would be very expensive and I'm trying to be a bit more thrifty. Right, well I think first we should figure out if you're actually losing some hair.

Okay. So there's some tests to figure out if you're actually losing some hair. Okay. So, there's some tests to figure out if you're losing your hair. Okay. First is called the pull test. Okay, Sid. Now, how does the pull test work? Ow! Wow! Ow! You pulled my hair! Well, that's how it works. That's the test. Okay, that's the test.

You know, I could have edited that sound effect back in. You know, I could have done that in post. You didn't need to actually pull my hair. Well, I thought you really wanted to know how it worked. Okay. So you grabbed, how many hairs would you say you grabbed? So you grab a group of like 40 to 60 hairs in like three different areas and you pull on them.

And if more than three come out, you're building. I had none come out. So I'm worried that maybe the magic just hasn't taken shape yet. Is there any other test that I could use? Well, yeah, if the pull test is negative, but you're still convinced that you're losing hair, you could always try a daily hair count. I know what is that at home?

So basically, you're just gonna collect all of the hair that comes out every day in a clear plastic bag for two weeks. And then you're gonna count them all. And if it's more than a hundred a day, that's abnormal. And if it's less, it's normal. Except for if you're shampooing because you can lose like 250 hairs. Okay. I have a point of order here. It is abnormal regardless because you have a back of your hair

How do you explain that to people? Why you just tell people that you're doing daily hair counts I'm just counting my hairs and storing them in a bag now Okay, now here is another question for you that the daily hair count does not take into effect Why do I have to count at the end? Can I just keep a pleasant little notebook next to the side of the bed and count as we go? Is that not a possibility? Well two things. One, accountability. Okay. As your physician, how do I know that I can trust you? Okay. This is the bag of hair I brought in. And two, how else would we convince people to carry around plastic bags of hair if we didn't tell them to do this test. And your doctor tricks.

Okay, so barring a daily hair count, cause I'm not gonna have two weeks to work that up. What are some ways that we've tried to address this problem through our history? Well, it's funny because if you look into the history of baldness cures, people have been trying to figure out how to fix this problem

since like the ancient Egyptians. This is not a new issue. The growth of a lot of hair, especially in men, not so much in women, especially these days, is associated with virility. You're a manly man, if you're a hairy man. And so men have been trying to figure out how to maintain their hairiness in their old age for thousands of years. And this is a trait we've actually seen many times in that if an issue affects mainly men throughout history, I think we've seen a more more gusto applied to to that problem. We

saw that with erectile dysfunction. Exactly. And I think that that is carried, that throughline narrative is carried here. Yeah, men problems always get way more attention than women problems. So how do you... Which are often just regarded as women problems, ironically.

So BCE, 1500s, how do we do it? So if we look back to what we've referenced before, the Ebers Papyrus, so some early Egyptian writings, they have many cures for boldness. Most of them are like compounds that you're going to create at a various substances and then just put on your bold scalp to try to make the hair grow back. Okay. That seems good. It's direct. Right.

So one mixture could be, so you take the fat from several different animals, a hippo, a crocodile, an e-bex, a snake, a tomcat, you mix all that fat together. I'm assuming you're going to have to kind of like cook it down because it's like it's thick and you've got to make it melty and then you put it on your head and it looks like hair is that the is that the idea? No, it's a convincing Similar crap of there. It doesn't work, but it certainly took up your afternoon Sure, it distracts you for a while from the baldness, which is nice You could also try

boiling some porcupine hair in water and Then putting that mixture on your head now that. Now that is supposed to look like human hair. That's what I think. When I was reading this, I thought, are they really just going for like, it's like fake hair? It's like porky pine. It's just porky pine, like if you boil it in water, maybe it'll congeal, and then you can like,

mush it up there. I guess. One of my favorites though is that, so you take the leg of a female greyhound and you take the hoof of a donkey and then you saute them together in oil. Yum. Okay. I'm into it and then you just you're into that and you just eat it. No, you don't what? You just eat it. I saw this on 30 minute meals. You do the female gray ham, hoof of a donkey, a little EBOO, some parsley, you're on point.

You're gonna just enjoy that. It won't make you ball this way, but it hits a spot. Might. You think so? Just pour that over some fetuchini. Fetuchini. Yes, that's a positive. I'm assuming they put it on their head.

How would you even put that in your head? I don't know what are the fake they didn't have a glue. I think that the oil that's left over. I'm inventive What are you doing? Clappornicus me? I'm inventing glue. Oh, that sounds very useful. What's glue? That doesn't matter right now The point is I need I'm gonna put this on my head. I'm gonna put this female gray on my head and also a donkey. I think it's like the, you just had to like root off in the school play. That's possibility. My take was that at the end,

you would have like an essence of female gray hound and hoof of donkey oil that you could kind of rub on your scalp. Okay, that makes more sense than mine. Like the massage in there, you know. That is better than mine, yeah. Don't you think that, yeah. Like old-timey barbers used to do. Like, like squirt that stuff and massage it in there, you know. That's better than mine, yeah. Don't you think that, yeah. Like old-timey barbers used to do. Like, like squirt that stuff and massage it in there.

Yeah, exactly. Those are all like looney tunes, right? If all those failed, even the ancient Egyptians were wigs. Men and women were wigs and fake beards. As in women wearing fake beards, if you didn't put all those together. Wow, really? Yeah, I guess it was really good to be her suit.

That's hairy. Yeah, apparently. So it was very attractive, so why not? So where those big wigs, where those fake beards, fake moustaches were not a thing yet, not until hipsters in the year 2013, but. I don't think they have fake moustaches. I don't think that's part of the hipster culture.

They love moustaches. I don't think that's part of the hipster culture. They love mustaches. I think it has to be legit. Those kids today, they love their mustaches. So what was next? Hypocrites, you may have heard of them, of oath fame. Is the reason you won't stab people in their sleep? Exactly, that's part of the Hippocratic oath. A lot of people don't have that.

Yeah, do not stab people in their sleep only when they're awake. Only when they're awake. We cut that part out, not popular in this country. It was a very, it was a very personal problem for old Hippocrates being a bald man. Okay. And so he came up with his own cure for baldness. So you just take some opium Some horse radish some beetroot some spices and of course some pigeon droppings sure sure Gotta grab those gotta get those and they're what's the point? Otherwise, it's a catalyst. Yeah, you just put that on your head I would love to know I mean we didn't know anything Was it just I mean is it just guessing is that what it is? I mean, we didn't know anything. Was it just, I mean, is it just guessing? Is that what it is?

I mean, is it just guessing? Yeah. I mean, I do. I think a lot of it is just guessing and then things that seem, so I, okay, horseradish. When you eat it, like it, you know, makes your sinuses open up. It's bracing.

So maybe the thought is that it's stimulating. It's arousing. I don't know. So maybe it'll do the same for whatever cells stopped working that made your hair grow away. It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but they had no other way of looking at it. Any other solutions? Well he noticed that Unix rarely went bald, so his other proposal

was, I'm not going to do this, but if you're interested, maybe castration. Maybe worth a shot. Now, is there any... Does that make sense at all? Because I know that hormones are a big part of baldness. It's interesting. It probably did make sense. It probably, um, castration would be a, uh, a way to prevent genetic baldness in a sense, not that I'm proposing that, and not that there wouldn't be other reasons you could go bald, but, um, a lot of baldness is caused by, it's not, a lot of people think it's the amount of testosterone. So, men who are bald say, well, I've got more testosterone on bald, I'm mainly involved.

That's not necessarily what it is. It's actually the sensitivity to dihydrotestosterone, which of course is an Androgenic hormone related to testosterone, like a male hormone, you can think of it that way. But it's the sensitivity to it that you inherit, not the amount of it. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're more receptive of it. You know what I mean? You're more receptive to it. So it does make some kind of sense that if you're removing the testicles that you're changing

the hormonal mix, you could prevent baldness that way. Anything else? Any other big ones from this time period? Yeah, there were some other ones, not just things you would put on your head, but how you would get it on and off your head. So, like, you could put a mixture of oats and molasses, like a paste of most of molasses on your head, but- Well, that wouldn't do anything.

Well, only if you have a cow lick it back off. Oh, okay. Well, okay. That makes perfect sense. Now, now that adds up, maybe the cure for bonus is just getting tickled, because that would tickle me. It's not a tickle. I think it'd be pretty funny.

I get the giggles. The other thing you could do is you could take some beer, some boiled wheat and some honey, and you could put it together, but don't just put it on your head. Don't just anybody. You gotta have a virgin rub it on your head. That sounds like somebody trying to win a bar bet to me. I don't think that's a real trick.

You think I get that? Hey. Check over there, just put this on my head. But show Rob Boil, we eat them ahead. Hey. I just want some co-packs from you or something. Was it all time your money? Co-packs?

Yeah, I'll go to co-packs. That used to be a euphemism. Some zinny. For I'm a virgin, hey, I bet if I rub some beer boiled weed and honey on your head, your baldness would go away. And if you get my drift. Catch what I was saying. Cause I guess that was a good thing, I don't know.

I guess. What's next? Julius Caesar, also a bald man, invented the comb over. He did not. Yes he did. I think he claimed it. History's first comb over. Was Julius Caesar?

Yep. Well, who knows? but we know that Julia Caesar definitely practice the come over and he definitely told people he invented it. This is a new thing. Check it. Look at this look. It's really cool. I made it up. I saw David do that last week. I made it up. I'm I'm Julia Caesar. Are you really gonna argue with me? I'm Julia Caesar. up. I'm I'm Julius Caesar. Are you really going to argue with me? I'm Julius Caesar. A to Brute. Why would you say that? I said no, I'm listen, it's me, Brutus. Just telling you I thought they would do the comeover. A to come on. You're hurting my feelings. When that stopped working, he just went ahead and put a laurel wreath on his head because that was

easier. That's better. Yeah, but that was original at least. Which, you know, in the 17th century, that, you know, it was much more, the idea was it would be much easier instead of trying to fix balding. Let's just hide it. Yeah, absolutely. That seems to make a lot more sense. So men started wearing those giant curly wigs. Oh, like, you see, like, barristers wearing? Exactly.

So those really long, really, almost like ornamental. Not just hair. I mean, they were obvious. I think that was the idea. Like, okay, we can't wear things that are fake hair without people noticing. I guess there just were no high quality wigs at the time. So just wear some really big giant curly wigs

and say that it's a fashion thing. It's like going bomb, loving it. Exactly. Just going into it. This is my thing. I'm bald and I wear these big curly wigs. I'm Mr. wig. You don't even know because everybody's wearing wigs. So let's just keep it like a secret.

And this was popular all the way up until, you know, when you go into like the American Revolutionary Period where being of royalty, you know, being seen as like the bourgeois, like kind of person, it was not cool seen as like the bourgeois, like kind of person, it was not cool anymore. And so then you wouldn't want to wear one of those big wigs because you wanted to be, you know, more simple. You wanted to be of the common man.

Sure, that makes sense. So then we came up with a patent medicine for evolving. Of course. You remember patent medicines? If not, go listen to the episode we made about patent medicines. We have a new one every Friday. What are you doing missing them? But basically these are patent medicines that against all odds, their medicines that did

not have patents. Right. They did not have patents. Absolutely. They didn't. But they were called that because once somebody named it something, you better not try to steal their name for their thing that didn't work. Now, what was our mystical hair growth tonic?

No, I'm sure there were many, many, many, but one that I liked the name of was the Seven Sutherland Sisters Hair Grower. It's direct. And it was actually based on the Seven Presumably Sutherland Sisters. Maybe. Their last name, I guess. Who traveled with a, like a side show act. based on the seven presumably Sutherland sisters. Maybe. Their last name, I guess, who traveled with a, like, a side show act. And they would market this. Like, in the, we talk about in patent medicines, they had these medicine shows that would travel the country.

Well, the seven Sutherland sisters would travel around with their really super long hair. So you're just women with really, really long hair and advertise this hair tonic. We laugh, but like Tresame is still pulling this stunt. I mean, it's still the same basic principle. Oh, yeah, you see a woman spinning around and her hair Is impossibly shiny as that has its own religious inner glow and you think okay, I'm gonna pick some of that up Like like my hair, right exactly like your hair. You put your the only woman on our thick and actually achieve the look Thank you, honey. I believe every word of what you're saying. Let's just go with that.

Anything else? Other remedies? Cold India tea was a popular remedy at the time. You just rub that in your head and then some hunk of lemon, which I think just sounds like it's convenient. I got some tea. There's some lemon there in my tea. And maybe that too. Not great for baldness, but it's good for a sore throat.

So, yummy. Why not? It's delicious. Yeah. Pour a little on your head, drink the rest. Head smells great. It is so soothing. Is that came a meal? As we get into the 1900s, just like as we've talked about before, when we started kind of the industrial revolution and the idea that we could not just, not just make medicines out of like, you know, naturally occurring herbs and spices and whatever, we can actually have like electronic devices

or you know mechanical things that could make us healthier. And 1920 brought the thermocap. The thermocap, okay, see I like the sound of this. It was basic, it was a cap, it looked, it was kind of cone-shaped-ish, it looked a little like a dunce cap. Okay, appropriately enough. And you would put it on your head, obviously,

it released heat and then like a blue light and you would only have to wear it for like 15 minutes a day. And it would- That's 15 minutes a my day, sitting in my armchair wearing my thermo cap. What do you think that says about me Debra? Best 15 minutes of my day. You could buy this but a lot of these would also

have existed at your local barbershop so I loved the like the image of all these guys sitting around the barbershop wearing their thermo cams. I'm not going in there. I know I know where his head has been. I'm not I'm not my head in the same one as Dave. They also based on the same kind of idea they can put on electric comb at the time that you could for the hair you did have left. You can comb with this electric like you know you plug it into the wall and comb your hair. You're basically, it's like retention bonus. You're just hoping to hold on to it a little bit. Like come on, look what I'm gonna do for you.

This is an electric comb. I thought. The treaty you will. In 1936, there was a new invention, another cap, but not no heat technology here. I thought you would have, particularly appreciate this one, Justin. The Zurvac, which was a cap with a vacuum.

A helpful alien, the king of it. Zurvac, I'm sorry, with a vacuum. Helpful alien, the king of it. Zurvac, I am Zurvac. I will grow your hair. I am Zurvac, the result. It was a cap. I'm like, when it felligulous. So the Zurvac was a cap with a vacuum in it. Perfect.

That sounds great. So you would put it on your head. It's like a phlobe. It's basically a cut. It's like a flow bee. Basically. It's a suck cut. It's a suck as it cuts. And it would suck on your scalp and pull the hair right out of there.

Like a French kiss for your head. In 1939, that was actually the first invention of hair transplants, which we still do to this day. But they used to nowadays, they're very advanced, and they can actually do hair transplants, which we still do to this day. But they used to, nowadays, they're very advanced and they can actually do hair transplants. Hair from one part of your body to another part of your body, or I'm assuming from other donors now, but at the time they would just take hair from one place, put it in another, and they would do that by kind of making holes in your scalp. If you think of like an old plastic doll, you know all the holes in its head where the little tufts of hair are

So that's what the scalp's kind of looked like and then they would implant hair into all those holes. Oh God I will just go with the bonus. I think you yeah if you look up some pictures of this. It's pretty horrific and and that made you know up some pictures of this, it's pretty horrific. And that made, you know, it was pretty horrific at the time because the technology wasn't there to do it well, to make it look right, or to keep it very sterile. And so there were definitely a lot of infections and such. Now that is not true nowadays before the hair transplant people jump all over me. But in 1939, that was kind of the status quo. These hair transplant people get,

once I get something stuck in their car, it's like, let it go. I don't want to run a foul of the hair transplant union. Sure. In 1968, you may be familiar with the hair club for men. I've heard of it, yes. Oh, that's when it started. Not just a member, but also a client.

Not just a surprise, but also a client. Okay. His founder was Sice Burling. And he started the hair club for men because he got a really awesome weave. He was like, yes. And he was so excited about this weave. He wanted to share it with everybody.

I am starting a club for my weave. I'm gonna get everybody down with these weaves. Hey, hey, I'm starting a new club. It's called a hair club. It's for men, only. First roll of hair club. Don't talk about hair club. No, tell everyone, get at this sweet weave.

Check out my weave. Come about my weave. That's the second roll to is check out this weave. Hair club. So I am so tired of hearing about your freaking weebs. That's rule three is never say that to me all out. What else, just weebs? Weaves is the hairclough.

The hairclough for men was just like weaves, two pays, wigs, just like non-surgical or pharmacologic solutions for hair. Fake hair. Fake hair. Which, you know, I'm sure kept many men satisfied for a while, solutions for hair, fake hair. Fake hair. Fake hair. Which, you know, I'm sure kept many men satisfied for a while, but then finally, in 1978, people started realizing that there was a medication that could promote hair growth. Now this was not yet available.

It was called monoxidil, and it was being investigated for a blood pressure medication, as a blood pressure medication, but they recognized that it actually caused hair growth unintentionally. Now, so 1978, does Monoxidil not work like for everybody or has limited impact? Because I mean, I still see ball people walking around. And I don't know if they're all doing it by choice or not. No, it doesn't work for everybody. And I should clarify, so by 1988, it was actually safe enough to be sold as a cream that you would apply to your head and its rogaine is what we're talking about.

Monoxidil is rogaine. That is just initially it works. It works for some people, but it doesn't work for everybody. Same as, you know, the other medication came out in 1997, propitia, which again, finasteride was a medication that was initially just used for an enlarged prostate. It still can be used for that certainly, but you can also take it for baldness. But these medications are not a cure. So they are a treatment but not a cure.

You know, any, one of my professors in med school used to say that if you have any disease where you have more than one treatment for it, it's just a sign that we don't fully understand it yet. If we did, we would have one cure for it, right? It's like anything else. We have lots of things that work for it, some things work better for some people, but nothing is 100% effective and 100% of our patients. That's the same for Rogan and Propecia.

The 90s also gave birth to one of my favorite infomercials. Justin, I know you share my love for rompopille. He's a genius. He's a fantastic salesman. You're talking about GLH. That's right. GLH, the hair in a spray can, that rompopille swears look like real hair.

No, what does G-L-H stand for? The great looking hair. That's right. Great looking hair. Great looking hair. I hope there are people out there who also fondly remember the infomercials for great looking hair, which was, as Justin said, hair and a spray can. It has something to do with static electricity.

It looks like little hairs standing up on your head through static electricity. Does it, though? They say it's not spray paint. Now this is, I have never seen it in person. No. Well, maybe you have it. It's just fantastic. Well, that's true, maybe I, maybe that's a testament to it.

Maybe every man on Earth, maybe Justin's using it right now and I don't know. Don't look in the closet. But it's still around today. We looked up the website today when we were talking about this. And you can totally still buy GLA. If you want it, you can also grab a pocket fisherman as long as you're on the website. And it's available in like four colors. Yeah, perfect.

Which is all the colors of human hair and they're on the website. And it's available in like four colors. Yeah, perfect. Which is all the colors of human hair, and they're four of them. One of them is an Auburn that I do not believe is a color that naturally occurs in nature. It's a matter anymore. You're riding the chemical highway, you can make your hair whatever color you want. It was certainly a lot safer.

At the same time period, they had scalp reduction surgery was created. Yikes. Which is exactly what it sounds like. You reduce the amount of scalp you have. Theory being that the hair is trying to push through, it just can't. It's just too much scalp. It's so stupid.

It really was based on the idea that there was so much scalp there and if we reduced it, we could promote more hair growth and it doesn't and it was very painful so don't, that's not really done anymore. The 2000s gave birth to what you can still find in Skymall if you are a fan of Skymall, which I am because who buys that stuff. There is a laser helmet, the eye grow laser helmet for hair growth. It emits like a red laser and will stimulate stimulate hair follicles. Sid. There's also a laser comb. Sid, wait.

Will it? No. OK, OK, because you were saying it would and you being a doctor and all, I just wanted to double check. No, and that's a lot of the things I'm mentioning with the exception of certainly Rogan and Prapisha are regulated by the FDA. So they couldn't tell you that it would promote hair growth

if they didn't. I imagine the FDA has not dipped into laser comb technology. Yeah. Did you know when I was working at joystick the last job I had writing about video games? I was actually emailed to see if I wanted to check out a laser comb. I do not know where they thought that the gaming connection was for laser comb.

It wasn't a peripheral or anything, just a laser comb. What I want to know is why you didn't get that freaking comb. I know. I almost did. We had discussions on the joystick podcast about the possibilities and ethical repercussions of getting a review laser comb, but we never went through them. Well, and also the danger,

because you have so much hair already, can you imagine the length of the hair that would result? Be like, any monster run around this piece. Now I should say that the laser comb and laser helmet people would tell you that there is research for this. I'm just saying that it's not something I... You would prescribe. Yes. What do I recommend, pain? Would tell you that there is research for this. I'm just saying that it's not something I

prescribed. Yes What do I recommend paying it is like it's like $600 maybe even more I think like some of the versions I saw advertised were we're on a British website So they were saying they were 600 and some pounds yikes, which that's very I think I'd be like a 900 or a thousand. A thousand bucks or something, so. So it says, what are we doing now? What do we got? Well, now we've got, you know, there are new kind of frontiers of baldness treatments.

They're looking into these new hair transplants. Hair transplants are still done now, and they're much better than they used to be. And there are certainly probably men in your life who have had them that you don't know because it looks so good. They're looking at better ways to do that. They think that there are these 3D spheroids of hair that they're putting together like in petri dishes where like if you kind of put all the little hair cells together, they

form these little balls and that those transplant better. They're more robust so they're working on that. They're working on things like blocking stress hormones as a way to initiate growth or there's a medicine called latisse that women use on their eyelashes. And they're trying to figure out if that could work on your head too. A lot of this stuff, they're just doing in rats right now,

but that's kind of the next front here. That sounds good. Anything else? We got any other solutions? Well, one solution that I stumbled across as I was doing my research for this topic came actually from an unlikely source or a likely source, depending on your bent, from Wikipedia. What did Wikipedia have to say? Wikipedia in their article on baldness had one subsection called embracing baldness.

And this is a quote directly from their website, instead of concealing hair loss, one may embrace it. A shaved head will grow stubble in the same manner and at the same rate as a shaved face. The general public has become accepting of the shaved head as well. Though female baldness can be considered less socially acceptable in various parts of the world. Wikipedia a site for aliens. There's the last resort, you know, and there are a lot of really attractive bald, and I was gonna say men but men and women out there. Absolutely. So, you know, why why fake it? Just be beautiful and bold. Real quick said bullet points.

Hit me. I know there are myths about this that aren't just, you know, misguided treatments. So one myth that you might stumble across is that if you are losing your hair that you can stand on your head, and that that will help it grow. Nope, nope, won't work.

If you're worried that over shampooing will make you lose your hair, that's not true. Shampoo as much as you like. Like I said, I already mentioned this, it's not just the testosterone, it's the sensitivity. So don't think you're all manly or that you're not too manly, depending on how much hair you have. It's not just on mom's side. Common misconception. There's a lot of genetic influences, a lot of different genes and epigenetic.

So it's not just your mom's dad's fault. Don't blame it on him. And hats don't hurt. So wear hats till your heart's content. I wanna thank our buddy, Brento Flos, who actually suggested this topic at my brother, Travis's wedding. He's a, he's got a topic for you guys.

And he suggested boldness. And it was a really great. When I only scratched the a, hey, got a topic for you guys, and he suggested baldness. And it was a really great one. I only scratched the surface. There's actually a lot more out there if you're interested in this idea, you know, do your own research. There are a lot of other things to learn about baldness. Are you saying we're not comprehensive?

I'm saying I only have so much time. I'm one woman. Thank you so much for joining this one woman and this one man, and this one adventure through the history of baldness. We do this every Friday. We hope you'll come back and Join us until that time you can follow us on Twitter. We're at saw bones She's at Sydney McAroy S.Y.D. in E.E. and he's at Justin McAroy We're a proud member of the maximum fun community

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So you can let us know what you think they are. You can just tweet at us, like I said, at Saul Bones. Or feel free to review us on iTunes. Sid reads all those, and the good ones make it reallyones. Or Phil, for you to review us on iTunes. Sid reads all those, and the good ones make it really happy. So go give us a nice review. Yeah, I check all those out. I want to thank our buddy Dan Savage for having us on his show. We did a little bit there about sexually transmitted disease treatments on his most recent

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