Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Bizarro World

Episode Date: January 25, 2019

Imagine a world where Sawbones never existed, medical progress was halted and false wellness ran rampant. That's the horrifying world painted by a recent issue of The Times that Dr. Sydnee and Justin are going to guide you through this week. Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

Saubones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, time is about to books. One, two, one, two, three, four. Hello everybody and welcome to Saw Bones, a manel tour of Miss Guide Medicine. For the mouth. Wow. Hello everybody and welcome to Saw Bones,

a man or two of Miss Guy and Medicine. I am your co-host, Justin McAroy. They call me around these parts. And I'm Sydney McAroy. I think they call you that because that's your name. Yeah, in all parts, they call me Justin McAroy. Although I don't call you that really. I mean, I call you like, J-Man or...

J-Man, I mean... Yeah, somehow you... I got J-Man or... J-Man, like, yeah, somehow you, I got J-Man going with you and your dad. Or when I'm upset, then I say Justin Tyler. Say that somehow. That's why I leave my towel on the ground. Yes, or the bed or on the crib. Or the crib is almost the worst.

That's the worst. So we've got a weird week coming up, gang. We're gonna be at sketch fest on Thursday evening, the California Academy of Science. And then we're at podcon for the weekend after that. So we're like, we're kind of like, said, how are we going to get a show together this week? So I was looking for some topics to research and I always love when our listeners send us suggestions either via emails or Facebook or tweets. And a couple people tweeted at me about an article

that they thought we would, I hesitate to use word enjoy, you know. Properly true. You know, enjoy. Properly true. Enjoying that. Enjoying that. Yeah, enjoy in that way.

Much like the, much in the manner in which we enjoy the room, I would say. It's an article from The Times on wellness, basically, that elusive concept. Wellness, the art of making a body that is functioning fine, function just a little bit better. Just better. Healthy is not enough. Wellness, I would say wellness has come to mean, I think it's functioning fine, function just a little bit better. Just better. Healthy is not enough. Wellness, I would say wellness has come to me. I think it's different depending on who you are. I would say that wellness is like, I don't know, I'm not sick and take decent care of myself

and I'm well. That's well. I feel pretty good. And something we're like, what are you putting in your body? And it's a step above. And so this article just profiles four different people with their routines, their daily wellness routines. And I would say that, I don't even know that they would call

them wellness routines as much as they're just, their daily routine because it has become deeply entrenched clearly into their lives, like these ideas of, of the way to take best care of your complete self, mind-body spirit has become their way of life, which I am not criticizing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but the things you do in order to achieve that may or may not be real, the real things.

There'll be some mild to moderate dunking in this episode, but I think it's worth noting that, and this is the point it's said, made to me, that these are apparently smart people. They're successful people, and as much as that's a metric of your intelligence or work ethic, whatever. And as much as success can be measured by your business. Well, I mean, they seem to be, by most, I would say, traditional measures of success, they're successful. They seem to have careers that they pursued

and have achieved. They seem to have financial security. At least it sounds that way from the things they describe in their daily life. I don't know their incomes At least it sounds that way from the things they describe in their daily life. I don't know their incomes, but it sounds that way. And they seem happy. Or at least they don't say they're not happy. I don't know, maybe they're not happy.

But they seem pleased with their lives and with where they are. With themselves. Yeah, and so that, to me, I mean, that's a fairly successful person. I think you could argue there are other things that are necessary, but I think most people would say, well, I am, that's a fairly successful person. I think you could argue there are other things that are necessary, but I think most people would say, well, I don't mean they say like this successful people.

And so I would say that if these people who have lots of access to information, to research, to scientific knowledge, who have been probably gone through some degree of higher education. I have no idea. They may not have. I don't know, but I guess they probably have. If these people who have all this information at their fingertips, plus, I think from their

schedule's time to access it, if they still can be taken in by some of these false ideas. I think it's just clear that any of us can. It's also interesting too. This was not written as a piece about fake stuff. I think it's a fun application of sort of the things we've been talking about, the concepts we've been talking about on the show, but in the wild, like can you as somebody who has been listening

to a lot of these fun theories spot some of the problems here? So I think that's enough, like, I think that's enough backpedaling, Sydney. I just want to make it clear that my goal is not to make fun of people. We're not mean, we try very hard not to just be openly mean. There's no, where's the, where's the fun in that? I will probably try three to four of the things that we read about in this article. I want to be more powerful and successful.

But I think if you just read these without any context, it could be dangerous. It could be misleading. And so here's some context as well. At least as far as I see. These are presented in the article with no context, zero context at all. No It's welcome to the wellness revolution

Fien There's just how far do they go to achieve peaks in? Oh Alex for the very first I let's start with Alex I start with the very first the very first two sentences about this. Do you want to, do you want to start Alex? And they're just routines listed like by hours of the day. So Alex's routine starts at 55. Whoo.

I wake up and immediately rehydrate. I love this. That's, that's fine. I'm not saying you should. Hydration is great. Second sentence. Your body is the most absorbent after you sleep. So the first thing you put in it is the most important.

No. That's it. It's a strange assertion. I will say. I like this. It's a strange. And this is one of those because like I tried to make sure and look at the research on some of these different things before I just started on in it.

That body absorbency. But like to Google like research on peak body absorbency is hard. I would say that your body is not necessarily more absorbent at any point of the day. But hydration is good. I think if he wants to hydrate, that's... I just want to know what I'm the most effective against spills around the home. So Alex starts his day by hydrating, that's great. He prefers coconut water, coconut water, coconut milk, coconut oil, coconut products are pervasive

and all four of these routines. We've talked a little bit about this before, this concept that everything from a coconut is healthier. I looked into the research on coconut water specifically because I wanted to see, is there something I'm missing because everybody seems to be drinking coconut water? And so what it found, it's not bad. There's nothing wrong with coconut water. I mean, it tastes good.

Have you had it? It tastes good. Yeah, it's fine. It's not the taste. If you've never had coconut water, it's not quite the taste that you're hoping it's going to. No. It's refreshing.

Yeah. It tastes good. It has been pitted against sports drinks. That's the idea. Like, is it better for you to rehydrate than a sports drink? And the problem is coconut water is actually pretty low in carbohydrates, which is one of the reason people think it's good.

I mean, that's fair. It's low in carbohydrates. It's also low in sodium. And if you're talking about rehydrating after, you've been like sweating a whole bunch and working out. You need the football milk. A sports drink is actually probably better. Now you can supplement your coconut water with some of the other like extra sodium. They did that study to like we'll

put more salt in it and see if it's better. And it was better at that point. Mmm, salty coconut milk delicious. And I'm not saying that sports drinks are amazing for you. Many have a lot of sugar in them. But then when they gave them to athletes, they said, well, I mean, I feel fine either way, but the sports drink sure tastes better was kind of their end of that study. But I mean, it's fine. If you like coconut water and you drink enough of it, you'll be hydrated. If you're sweating a whole bunch, you're probably still better off with a low sugar.

But it turns your body into strong wild garbage. So it's that going to work. I get it. I don't particularly love gatorade myself, but I just, I don't know. Anyway, there's the coconut water thing in case you're curious. Is coconut water that great for you? I mean, it's fine. It's fine. So we fine. It's fine.

So we continue along Alex's day and I think he does a lot of stuff that we could all benefit from. Well, not the taking multivitamins. We've already said that, right? We've done that show. You don't need a multivitamid problem. Don't worry about the relevant. Can we also talk about diluting the coconut water with regular water at a ratio of two

to one? I don't know what that's all about. This coconut water is given. It is about. Oh, this is not fair. This cook about water is good, but it is powerful. Oh, too much, too much intensity. It's not necessary, I would say. Uh, he does some meditation. I think that's great. I think there's no problem with that.

I think the idea that you want to wake up in the morning and try to like, Hey, I mean, you walk up and happy. Alex, you're the one who woke up at 555. I think whatever you do in those minutes, this is the thing. You can do whatever you want with those minutes. And I think meditation, first thing in the morning is I wish I had the time, time will power whatever. I think there's nothing wrong with a lot.

And you'll see this in a lot of these routines. There's some, some good stuff in here. For sure. I mean, I, I bet you these are healthy people. I bet you these people are in good health regardless of the stuff that they may do to achieve that. He also does some yoga. That's great. Good. Wake up in the morning. Meditate. Do some yoga. No problem with any of this. This is all good stuff. He goes and does some intense fitness work after that. Still, no problem with any of this.

Back to the coconut water again. Okay. That's very good. Good. That's fine. He does say, I just take a little bit of issue with the fact that he makes a point that he likes to hang out with the people who are part of his fitness routine

because he's not gonna hang out with people who like to drink a lot at the pub. I have a little bit of an issue with that simply because I am a person who would like to drink a lot at a pub. Yeah, but judging what you know, Alex so far, you're this sort of person that would want to hang out with Alex, this seems to be mutually beneficial. That's fair, Alex and I would probably not get along. I'm not sure you have to be when he'd hit it off.

He after all of this, I mean, really healthy working out and stuff, he takes that shower and uses, and a lot of these people will mention, I only use non-toxic organic products and all that stuff. Okay, that's, I mean, whether or not your shampoo is actually toxic, I think we could all take issue with. I know some of the really scented ones make my allergies act up. Hey, there you go. But after that, he makes a smoothie and the only thing I will say about the smoothie,

because I don't have problems with smoothies, smoothies here. Lovely, right? Yeah. Well, no, they're not, I mean, they can pack a lot of sugar. They can shake good. They can pack a lot of sugar right there. You can, They can. You can. You can. His has coconut milk, cacao, maca, asai, non-dairy yogurt with protein in it.

Blueberries, banana, and cashew butter about a pint and a half altogether. Smoothie. Now, I don't have a problem with these ingredients. I think we have, we all know that asai is not the cure all that everybody thought it was. It's fine. It's just one of the foods that are probably fine for you. But that's about it. The thing that I thought was interesting is I added up, like, if you were to buy all these

things, you have to buy all these ingredients in the front end, right, to make this smoothie. On the low end, this would cost you like $65 worth of ingredients. Now, obviously that's not for one smoothie. Obviously that's going to let. Now, but I mean, for the packaging for some of these, that only lasts you about a week, maybe up to two weeks. Right.

First price. I mean, they're pricey ingredients. They're extremely pricey ingredients. And I would say that they're not necessary for good health to pay that much. And by the way, when I was estimating these costs, I was using the mid-range of the products. I was not using the super fancy, organic, natural, highest end of ingredients, which Alex may be using, I don't know. I would just say this is kind of a bed Alex is using.

Yeah, but I would say this kind of a waste of the waste your money. I would also for whatever it's worth for me in the limited note stuff that I know about like diet and I can speak just from experience on my body. Blueberry's banana is all is a pretty big hit of glucose to get like that early in the morning. I mean, that's like not glucose. Oh, glucose, yeah. Sugar sugar.

Sugar. It's a caribbean sugar to get for a single morning. I don't know. I know some people are very down with that, but I find that like can put me in a rough, rough place. I mean, he's nutritionally. He's worked out a ton. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying he's not earned it.

I'm sure he's like fit, right? But if you were to say like, I'm gonna start with the smoothie thing and not do the exercise thing, right? No, okay, that I would not recommend. And I think that's what would be important, like a little note. If you take any one of these things from this in isolation, it may actually be bad for you

or at the very least not good for you. I think altogether these people have found routines that work for them, but only taken together. He didn't experiment. So. It's all extremely good. Are you talking about that he works at home? Yes.

You work at home. Yes, that's not the good part. If he goes out, he'll take a bag of nuts and stop for a green juice. I love bagging nuts to the snack. That's pretty good. That's nutrient dense, a little protein in there. Not gonna spike your blood sugar.

I love that as a snack. At some point between meetings, he'll have a shot of activated charcoal. Alex. That's not. Alex. That's not a thing. That's not a thing. I mean, it is a thing.

It is a thing that exists. They sell it at prett now, which is like a, a, a, a, a new agent, right? I believe. Right. And uh, it says we're so blessed in Britain. Are you going to look? Because it seems like you just bought some dirty charcoal and take a shot of it.

We did a whole show on charcoal and you can refer to that if you have not listened to it. But the point is that like, unless you have ingested some sort of poison that needs to be adsorbed by the charcoal, you don't really need charcoal. And that's activated charcoal. So I don't know what you're doing, Alex. Yeah. I don't know what you're doing there.

Okay, at home, he has a quartz crystal that he places next to him when editing photos, and he works by a Himalayan salt lamp to absorb the magnetic and radioactive waves that are all around you from Wi-Fi and your computer. I think in 20 years, Todd, you stopped before the dank nugs. You stopped reading before the dank nugs, and I understand. I'm sticking to the pseudoscience. What would you like to come up with? I think in 20 years time, there's going to be a lot of illnesses related to those waves.

Oh, really, Alex, freelance photographer at SelectModel Management. Why is it that you, a freelance photographer at Select Model Management. Why is it that you, a freelance photographer, think in 20 years time, what are you basing that on Alex? You, oh my God, just like, I guess. I think in 20 years time there's gonna be a lot of illness

is related to Wi-Fi. Why? Alex? Based on what? The fact that the internet is all around you and did you figure tips? You, why Alex? and did you figure tips? Why, Alex?

Why do you think that? There's, this is, I don't know if we've done a whole show on that topic. We've talked, I think we've talked about Himalayan salt lamps, which are, I mean, I think some people find them attractive, and I think that's fine. Pass that, that's it, that's really it. But as far as these magnetic and radioactive waves and this

idea, I mean, really at this point, there's no evidence for this stuff. I know there are people who will anecdotally say they feel better when they're in areas. I've heard of people moving actually to part of West Virginia where the radio telescope is. Kepler. Because. Is there radio free zone? Yeah, because in, in, it's in Pokerhontas County, because they can't have, within a certain range, can't have cell phones and that kind of stuff. And so people will move there

so they are not exposed to this electromagnetic radiation because they feel better. And they've said, anecdotally, I feel better when I'm there. I don't, I mean, this is not evidence based though. No, that's evidence. Here's the thing that bothers me about it. Okay. I'm going to move on to that. I feel like I am starting to dunk on him. But I am. We got to get past that. So we got three more

people. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. Just real quick, though, like to say, I think there's to be a lot of diseases about why I fight in 20 years. Anyway, I've already fixed the problem by working next to a Himalayan. That's wild to me because that's like, I mean, I too hope there are a lot of Wi-Fi-related diseases. I'm not trying to get in front of this like imaginary problem with a yet more imaginary and also PS-expert probably expensive solution. It's a wild statement because I can say that about a lot of things. I hope there are not a lot of,

like cauliflower related diseases someday. I hope there's not a lot of, Dr. Pepper related diseases. I hope vapings is good for me as I imagine it is. I hope that I don't someday discover that gray hoodies were dangerous for health. Could you have an example? Yeah, but anyway,

I've taken precautions against this situation I've imagined for myself. Okay, anyway. He takes taken precautions against this situation. I've imagined for myself. Okay. Anyway. He takes some apple cider vinegar tablets. After that, we've done a whole show on that. There's no. That's not a, that's fine, but it's not a thing.

I wouldn't spend the money on it. He, I thought this was one point to make it. He talks about doing like a vision board kind of thing, which I'm not going to, I am a doctor. I have no expertise when it comes to philosophy or theology or spirituality or any of these other things. I did not write the secret, I do not know the secret. I do not live by the secret. But he asks himself, he says it's important to ask yourself the question, am I happy what would I like to have? And I just think, I think that

kind of informs some of my problem with a lot of this is that I think if you're not asking yourself the question, after am I happy, are those around me who might, I have influence over, are they happy? Not just what would I like to have, but do I have enough and what would others need to have before what would I like to have? I have some issues with this.

I think that is how you are off the reservation at this point. I know, I just think that that informs some of these decisions. Anyway, he goes on to, he does say that he tries to stay off of social media because it's the modern day heroin, I would argue that heroin is the modern day heroin. Well, that's not right, because he just got dumped on. I'm just saying if moved to West Virginia, heroin is the modern day heroin.

I don't disagree though. PS don't disagree in theory. Social media can be bad for you. That's especially in large amounts. Yes, I don't think all social media is bad. I don't think that's necessary, is bad. I'll be a lot happier. I don't think that's necessary. But I think it, yes, in moderation. He eats vegetarian most of the time.

He, that's fine. He does more yoga. That's fine. No problems with a lot of this. Wait a minute. I do what is tommorow at seven o'clock, I'll go like, my orange nighttime light activates on my phone a lot. My body starts to shut it down.

That's good. Blue, a lot of blue light can mess up your circadian rhythms. Then he says, if my wife is away, I might go to another F-45, which is his super intense exercise class. If my wife is away, I might go to another exercise class. This person, this is a little bit of a different country for me, he lives in a different dimension.

Well, you're not, if you were to break out that our DNA, I would share more with the carrot than I do with Alex. Ooh, wife's away. Time to go to fit this glass. If I was away, Justin would just watch the Curse of Oak Island. I would just start at the beginning. And see the volcanoes, like pick up details on it's the first time. And it eats pizza. So he does make a point that he eats vegetarian because his wife is a vegetarian, but he does crave meat. Sometimes when he's alone, he does eat some meat

and it's because of his blood type. Because of his blood type, he needs more meat than other people do. This is irresponsible. This is irresponsible. I mean, I don't know how to debunk it other than that's just not a, you're craving for meat.

It's not related to your blood type. I'm craving for meat. Eat meat or don't. It's fine. It's fine. It's good. And then he talks about, again, he has like a square dark chocolate and sometimes some red wine, that's all fine. And he does talk about how they got married

at the second most magnetic place in the world, which makes me question why you didn't get married at the most magnetic place in the world. That's what you're going for. Yeah, that's what you're going for. But I'll leave it at that. Okay. This is a very expensive and time consuming routine.

And we will see this as a theme. Great. Great. Excellent. You do not, Justin. You do not have the time or the money to support any of these routines. I'm telling you as your wife who knows. I don't have the money, but that is a problem we can rectify.

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who I should note is founder of the HyperBeric Oxygen Therapy Center. So Tim is... So it is in Tim's best interest to believe in some of the stuff we're gonna take issue with, I would say. I like that his 745 wake-up time, by the way that's reasonable, that's fine. God, I would do anything. I would do anything. He gets on average 7 hours and 41 minute sleep. Perfect. Good. He's figured out this is a perfect amount of sleep for him.

Good. Yes. I know the perfect amount of sleep for me is generally more than I get. That's all I know. Yeah. It's not a person that gets a sleep till eight while I get up with Charlie at 6.45 every morning. I still wake up with a baby at night. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right. Anyway, so he gets up, he takes a shot of some probiotics.

Sure. He's got a supplement from plankton that helps him stay hydrated and some water. I have probiotics, I have good evidence that says that in some cases probiotics are helpful. I don't know if they're necessarily helpful for him, but I'm not gonna take a issue with the probiotics. I think the plankton enzyme is probably not necessary. Water's good. He takes his shower and then checks his urine pH. Oxen, take a shower. Do you wanna talk about it, Alex?

He did. Okay, you later. He had to do his workout first. So he take a shower and he does his urine pH. And the urine pH, at first I thought you just every morning, you just check what? And then later, what it sounds like is this guy's doing like a ketosis thing.

This guy's on a ketotic, a keto diet. So I mean, I guess it makes sense if you're trying to stay in ketosis and you're checking your urine pH to see. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've already done a whole, I'm not revisiting the ketodiot. Angry emails galore, but it makes sense why he's doing it.

Here's the problem. At 820, he turns on his human charger. That's a brand name, human charger. And as he says, it is a device that looks like an iPod within your piece that shines light into my ear to give me energy. Whoa, look, Sid, I'm levitating. This is the greatest day of my life. This guy plugs himself in like a robot.

Sidney, you know what? You know what? People may mock me for my hesitance exercise and eat well. But folks, this is the end of the path. This is what that path leads you down. You have one salad, then it's four salads, and then you're plugging yourself in like a cyborg. So his human charger, this is all it really is. It's just you're shining a light into your ear. The idea that this was built upon is that we can absorb, that it's important for us

to absorb light. It helps with our circadian rhythms. Yes. Yes, this is just, generally, we accept that we know, if there's light, we take in that light through our eyes. That is where that light goes. Or if there are skin. Yeah, but like eyes are the big thing.

Eyes are huge for light. Yeah, they love it. So the research that was done behind this was to try and see if you could shine a light on your head and directly stimulate your brain through the cranium. And then that evolved into what if we just tried to shine it through the eardrums, would that work? And I would say that the evidence for this is weak. There were some studies published by the company what I

Don't even know if you come anyway. There was some there was some sort of research done by the company who made it and They found that there was a difference although they didn't really have a control group It was just people exposed to different levels of light So everybody was getting like light in their ears and then asking them did they feel better and they were all like I feel so much better I have so much more energy. I have issues with the study design. There were other studies done by independent groups who said there is no difference here.

This is not a thing. This is, you are not absorbing the light through your ears. Absolutely. It's been adopted by a lot of people who travel for jet lag. There's no evidence for that either. And these can cost up to like three-inter bucks. for jet lag, there's no evidence for that either.

And these can cost up to like three-in-a-bucks. Huh. Imagine my surprise, I figured they'd be free because they're so good. So, so that's a, I would say, I would not advise buying this product. He goes on, he used a phrase, he talks about his morning coffee and he says that he uses

low micotoxin coffee. I had to look into this because this is the first I've heard of micotoxins. These are toxins produced by molds, which are a real thing. They're really are micotoxins. That is a thing that exists, but like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? So anything that grows could have micotoxins in it because it grew somewhere and there are molds out there that grow too. And so any of your foods could have mycotoxins.

They're actually checked. They're acceptable levels that we find in a lot of different foods and drinks that we consume. So yeah, your coffee may well have some mycotoxins in it, but there is no evidence that they aren't anyway harmful to you because we know acceptable levels. So you were, it's kind of like that idea that like, there are toxins out there that you're being exposed to that you need to purge.

Yeah, there are toxins all over the place. We're all being exposed to them. Every creature on Earth is constantly. And we are also toxic creatures producing substances that we're exposing to other animals too. But we can all tolerate some level of that. So generally speaking, your coffee is probably fine. I wouldn't worry about this,

but you will find this, like this concept of low micotoxin coffee. I wouldn't worry about it. So Tim goes on with his day, and one ritual he has, that Justin, I think you're in full support of is his fist bumping ritual. He's got a fist bump, the concierge. He's fist bumped him every morning for four years. And it's his way of making him feel valued.

I love it. I mean, I love it. I think that you that's good. I wish that we could maybe differentiate between superstitious habits and health roots. I see that's my problem with it because then when he gets to his office at 10 a.m He fist bumps every member of the team 15 and total and then and then by then it's time for one and uh, he goes home, sleeps in a very jamber. This December. This is sort of like the song for the people of Oz. What? We get up at 12 and start to work at one.

Take it out for lunch and then at two we're done. This pump on. He usually gets an Uber, he walks, but he tries to limit Uber's because they are generally electric cars. And so those are bad because they're emitting electromagnetic fields. All man. This is my first argument I've seen against electric cars.

Yeah, finally we can put them on blast. Take on electric cars. I do love the idea that this guy's like, I do everything again to optimize my health, but I'm not walking the work. Oh man, no way. There's no possible way I'm doing doing that too much too much. I'll wear a ring that sinks my sleep rhythms with my milk intake. But I'm not going to walk. Yeah.

He goes on to discuss his diet. And I'm not going to belabor that because as I've already said, it's a keto diet. We did a whole episode on that. keto diet, we did a whole episode on that, the other bite or you don't. What I will skip to is that at 7.30 after work is over after he's eaten and gone to the gym and all that. He goes to the clinic, he founded where they have hyperberexoxygen chambers that he can lie in and he says that he lies in it for an hour while pure oxygen is pumped into it. And he might meditate, which is fine, but there is no evidence that the average human who isn't suffering from like the Ben's needs hyperbaric oxygen, there's no evidence for that.

If we, by the way, if you breathe in pure oxygen, you die, that's just a whole other thing. But- This is here, he, I often take a neutropic drug called aniracetam. Yeah, I looked into this. So this has been studied specifically for dementia. Mainly in animals, there aren't a lot of it as anecdotal outside of that. There aren't a lot of compelling studies.

It's not FDA-approved, so we don't have it in the U.S. I looked at other available in other countries. I'd love, you know what I love about these people, Sydney. And this is not just me dunking on one person in particular, but a group of people and an industry that profits off of their naivete. I love the argument of, I won't take an Uber. It's got electromagnetic waves in it.

Anyway, give me those unlicensed brain pills. Pasta the untested brain medicine. I think it's like a limitless pill. Give me the limitless pill, but I won't ride in a car because of the waves. It may have some action for patients with dementia. I don't, it doesn't look like we have any studies to say that for sure yet, but like it's in investigation, so maybe it'll do something. I don't know that I would, I certainly would not recommend it to anybody right now

based on current evidence. He, sometimes after his hyperburetoxian chamber on Saturdays, he'll follow that up with an IV drip of magnesium and amino acids. I would never recommend going somewhere other than like a doctor's office or hospital or some sort of medical facility to receive IV treatments

of anything. That seems highly questionable. And also, you don't just need magnesium through an IV just because that could be very dangerous. You need a certain amount of magnesium in your body, certainly too low is bad, but too high is bad too. So it would never, ever, ever recommend having this done. That seems very dangerous to me. So after that, he heads back to his flat and he reads, that's great. He also makes note that he watches half of an episode of TV, because too much TV is a waste of your life. I would say that watching half of an episode of TV is kind of waste. That's not waste. Then you don't know what happened. Anyway, he also has a Himalayan rock salt lamp. Everybody does.

Everybody is terrified of EMFs and has Himalayan salt lamps. I do want to circle back around on his, he has super hand energy at work. I drink a liter of water a day, either Sam Pelagrino as it contains a good level of minerals or love hemp water, which I buy from planet organic contains CBD hemp droplets, which help my inflammatory system.

They don't. I haven't drunk tap water for two years at home. I have a Berkeley water filter, which is the best one. I think tap water for two years. What an amazing accomplishment. There is a there is is a, an underlying theme that you can easily pick up. I don't think it needs to be highlighted,

but I think the belief that you can't drink tap water and like endorsing that to the public is a sign of privilege. So tap water is fine in most places, not everywhere, but most places. Our last two, I just want to make a few quick points about, I will not go through. Actually, the last two routines were quite,

I didn't find quite as wild as the first two. Dasha gets up at 5 a.m. Dasha's already gone terribly awry. Yes. She likes to go outside and take off her shoes and stare at the sun and do yoga Which again, I don't have any problems with it except she also believes that being barefoot Helps her receive electrons from the earth. Oh, no, that's not no No, that's not a sign. That's not I don't know she also says that I don't like the way this is word worded I then either go for a dip in the serpentine or go home

and have a cold shower. It's horrible, but the benefits for fat burning, mental clarity, stress, energy, and immunity are irrefutable. I would say they are refutable. There have been some studies on, does a cold shower actually do anything? And it's more like anecdotal. And there are some limited like actual research research like does a cold shower help with stuff

And I mean I think it makes people feel more energized because like it's cold Yeah, but there but there is met and they they showed like some effect on brown fat stores with cold showers Yeah, but as far as like people who take cold showers and then actually documented weight loss and some of these other things It's just not and it's certainly not immunity. That's just not yeah, the science isn't there She Moving on she is also afraid of EMS No, you can't move on you can't move on you can't move on no you can't move on I won't allow it you have to say that she sun stairs because the union raised harmful to her retinas the first hour after sunrise please

and it resets my circadian rhythms and helps you falsely play the day. Dasha please don't stare at the sun. Dasha don't stare at the sun. This was one of one easy stuff. Please don't stare at the sun. Nobody. Um, a lot of the rest of her day is just like, she eats healthy. I mean, I think that's, you know, that's fine. And it's a lot about like, you stared the sun

to our job going to yoga and doing things she enjoys like live music. I mean, I think there's a lot about this routine. I have no, no criticism for, but that there's some issues in the morning. There's some supplements that are probably unnecessary and probably expensive. And then our last one, similarly, like Madeline, she wakes up at seven and she does scraper tongue with a copper tongue scraper to get rid of toxins. Great, good. Which is not a thing. And then at 8.45, she does some body brushing. We've talked about dry brushing on the show before. Have we?

Yeah. They just in, um, Tully, right? There's no evidence for dry brushing, but if you like the way it feels, probably it's really a two. That's, that's all, that's all fine. Back with the Himalayan salt again, that's part of our breakfast at 10 a.m.

The only other thing I wanted to know is I, a lot of the things she references throughout her daily routine, which a lot of it is just like, again, trying to eat healthy foods and drink plenty of water and, you know, laying on a bed of nails at night for acupressure. Oh, sure. Yeah. Like we all do.

Like we all do. The only thing I would say is that a lot of, she says a lot of what she learned is from the Viva or Viva Mayor clinic, which I had to look into to figure out, like, what is she talking about? Which is like this. Mom would say very expensive, but fairly expensive, like wellness, spa, treatment center place. But expensive for nothing.

Well, yes. If it were, say, and nothing pointless, fake thing, it would be very bricy. I think. It's like a wellness thing where you can go and like though, I mean, I think like things like healthy eating or part of it, I do believe they follow the alkaline diet as part of their thing. Um, and like alkaline water and that kind of stuff, uh, they do a lot of like yoga and massage and things like that. But I

think it also veers into supplements. And some of this, I mean, if you want to go meditate, I'm sure the buildings look lovely. I went to the website. It looks very pretty, but they sell a ton of different medicines, not medicine supplements. And I'd say that there's stuff that makes you feel good, and then they lead you to thinking it's doing good when maybe it's not. But it sounds like that a lot of her routine came from there. Because otherwise she just sometimes she's like sometimes I just eat Mexican food or have some pasta. So I mean you know there's a balance.

Great. I'd say the takeaway from this article is that everybody can get tricked by this stuff. We can all be taken in. Some of it sounds really convincing. Some of the pseudoscience sounds like science, even though it's not. Some of the parts though, maybe like, if I were to just pick a few at random, staring at the sun is like almost kind of bad.

That one seems like, I thought that that one is good. It almost seems to me. It doesn't seem that she should have known better than that one. But the other ones, yeah, for sure, does prove the point that he may be tricked by this stuff, except for the same thing. I just would hate for people who are actually suffering from health problems or feel unwell or are looking for help with things like anxiety or depression, where they've tried some stuff from traditional medicine that hasn't helped, would take in by some of the things they recommend that are very expensive

and have no evidence behind them. Cause they pair it. They pair like exercise, do some yoga, meditate, take some time for yourself, eat a healthy, bounce diet, they've been drink water, good advice. They pair that with a lot of really bad advice. Yeah, and that's where it falls apart for me is that, and like, shame on the times,

and a lot of places do the same thing, but it's like they're presented as like, these people are doing whatever it takes to get to the peak of health. And it's like, well, not really, because it does seem like a lot of it is nonsense and maybe even dangerous because they're looking for benefit, like they're looking for that extra 5% that just like,

isn't there, I mean, just not there. Yeah, like it's not there. It's like the myth that you only use 10% of your brain. Yes, right. It's like that. Everybody's trying to use the other 90% well, you're using it. It's like the myth that you only use 10% of your brain. Yes, right. It's like that. Like everybody's trying to use the other 90% well, you're using it. It's all there.

It's simpler than you think it is for a lot of people. And for the people who it's not simpler, who actually need medical help, who actually are dealing with chronic illness that isn't easily treatable. We don't have a treatment that works for yet. We don't have a cure for yet. This stuff I think is very dangerous.

Because it makes it sound like, well look, these people are, they look great, they're healthy, they're successful. They're lives are all together. Yeah, that's a pretty nice one, folks. These people are all very, very attractive. They are. And I don't think it's fair to publish an article

like this just to make fun of these people either. Because you could read it that way. You know how many people just read this and we're like oh Yeah, but like that's not fair either just Let's just let people live these lives and yes encourage everybody else not I know it's hard. It's hard. You know, man. We try not to be like It's hard because I think hard. You know, because- Man, we try not to be like, it's hard because I think we tried to overall not be terribly cynical and judgey on this show, but when you see these things being held up

as sort of the pinnacles of health, that is frustrating because it's like, you almost have to push back on it against that point. Like you almost have to say like, ah, actually, you're not doing a real thing. But you're wasting time and money. I sympathize. I mean, I to find mortality intolerable.

So I understand the search for immortality. I understand it, but I also would only want to do things that were real and didn't waste money. And I certainly wouldn't want to encourage other people to waste their time money. Energy or put their own self at risk by doing things that are fake. Yeah. So that is our episode for this week. You should find this piece and read it just like set aside some time to really just like dig in because honestly we are like skipping over lots of stuff. There's lots of stuff. Buck wild start to finish. It's the anti-soluble.

Is the anti-soluble is yes, Sydney. That's true. Maybe it was forced into the universe because we make this podcast. I don't like to think about this But I feel like it's probably because of us That is gonna do it for us folks. Thank you so much for listening to our program We are going to be back with you next week But until then thanks to taxpayers for use or some medicines as the internal turnover program Thanks to the max one that workers having a spa. There are extended podcast family. Thanks to you for listening We'll be back again with you next week, until then my name is just to Mac Roy.

I'm Sydney Mac Roy. And as always don't drill a hole in your head. Alright!