Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Harmonic Egg

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

Sound can sometimes be therapeutic, like listening to white noise to help fall asleep. But can a big egg-shaped hut use the theory of quantum realms and vibrations to cure everything with love and frequencies? Um . . . no. But someone seemed to think so. Dr. Sydnee and Justin explain the Harmonic Egg, how it’s supposed to work, and how it came about.Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers https://taxpayers.bandcamp.com/

Saw bones is a show about medical history, and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's for fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. You're worth it. that weird growth. You're worth it. Alright, talk to you about some books. One, two, one, two, three, four. Hello everybody and welcome to Saul Bones,

Maryland tour of Miss Guy to Medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McRoy. And I'm Sydney McRoy. Said I'm excited for this one. I must admit, I'm always excited to record you, my best friend. Love making a show with you. You're my best friend too.

Well, but this time I'm especially excited because the times that you have discussed this week's topic in very fleeting moments, it sounds like you're having some sort of delayed psychedelic response. You're on some sort of substance that has expanded your consciousness to include worlds beyond worlds. You know, Justin, what is, you know, it was tough about this one for me. What? I, you may know this if you're listening, because I probably have mentioned it before.

I am the, I'm a huge fan of the TV show, French. Yes, not friends. French, French, which is no longer on the air. It's an older, much like friends. But it's got Pacey from Dawson's Creek on it. Not on friends. No, but anyway, in the show, Friends, since it's like, Friends, Science, like the fringes of what we know

into like the pseudoscientific unknown realm, they do a lot of stuff on there that is not real. Right is pretend. It's pretend, it's fun. But I always, I mean, I love that. I love the idea of like what they're, what they're harkening to is the age of like professors at universities doing weird psychedelic.

Like this is very 70s, right? Trying to study ESP and stuff like that. I love reading about all that stuff. I find it really interesting and the people who devoted a lot of time to it. So I don't wanna sit here and say that, I mean, I hate to make fun of it. I'm really trying not to do that.

I think that's very normal of you. Because the fact that science is a continual exploration and that we must be open always to the possibility that what we know might change. You know, that we might make a new discovery that slightly alters or expands or sometimes reverses something we thought we understood, right? I mean, that's science. Like science. You have to have that open mind.

But at the same time, there's some stuff we've done that was pretty goofy and silly and certainly isn't medical in any way. And we're with this week's topic, we're getting into a lot of that stuff that I think makes for really good TV and make fun. Fun, fun for the whole family. It's fun and it makes for like really fun conversations when maybe you've had a couple drinks. And you're getting theoretical.

This is what science people do for fun. This is fun to them. I've learned that so. It is fun. It is fun. But it doesn't make for good medicine and that's when it becomes a problem, right? When this stuff starts being passed off

as something that will heal you in some way. So we're going to talk about something called the harmonic egg. I know even just the name. It's really good just from the beginning as I already have a really good sense of how legitimate and I'm thank you heaven for bringing this topic to us although at the same time heaven is our listener who sent us this email telling me about the harmonic egg at the same time, heaven is our listener who sent us this email, telling me about the Havana gag. At the same time, it's- Not a sort of Jail of Art situation going on here.

No, no, no, the human. Having the human, right. That sent us that email. Thank you, except that it's hard for me to express gratitude, because now I have to know about this thing. Right, that's the, yes, you're lessing in your curse. Now, I have to be aware that these are out there

in the world and the people are paying money to use them. As you probably have learned about me, I find that frustrating. So the egg. As you have loudly announced around the house several times a week, I would say. The egg itself, it's really hard to watch the videos about this. The egg itself is... So he said also to me that she was going to try to get this,

through this episode quote, without bullying. And I just thought that was so noble of her that she would try to not bully someone. I am not, I think that, oh, it's so hard. It, if something brings you comfort or solace or joy or peace or whatever, even if it's not really something that is working, I mean, like, right, there's always that fine line. You know, there are a lot of things people do that are harmless, that bring them a sense of well-being, that I don't have evidence to back up, but I'm not going to discourage, and I don't want to give somebody a hard time for doing, right? But at the same time, this is for money.

This is your charging for this stuff. And so then I feel like it's fair game to at least discuss it. Is it real? Does it work? Is there evidence to back it up? That's what we're going to talk about. So the egg is relatively new in the pseudoscience world, although the stuff that it's based on is really old, right?

It's like a lot of that sort of call to ancient wisdom kind of approach. The different pseudoscientific principles that play here are all very old. No new ground is being drawn. We are rediscovering very old ideas and assuming that they are legitimate because they are very old. And we repackage them in one giant egg.

The inventor of the egg, Gail Lynn, has a story that it sounds like a lot of, we've talked about like the story that sells products on this show, especially I think we talked a lot about this with supplements. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And with patent medicines often have similar like stories behind them. There's a lot of like alipathy medicine could do nothing for me.

So I took medicine into my own hands. Yes, precisely. That it is a very similar sort of story. And by saying that, I'm not insinuating that it's untrue. No, at all. I have no way of knowing about, I'm not insinuating that it's untrue at all. I have no way of knowing about, I wouldn't have no reason to question the validity of the story, right? Sure.

This is all true. But it feels very similar to a lot of these sorts of products that people sell. So basically, the inventor of this egg was diagnosed with some various stress-related illnesses. Depending on, you'll read different bios, different places, and there are a lot of these out there, by the way, these eggs. I'll get to that. There are a lot of these eggs now in a lot of different places. You read different stories, whether it was some sort of stressful, heart problem, perhaps like a, what we would call like a transient ischemic attack or a mini-stroke,

some sort of, I saw a reference to Lyme disease at one point. Alert, alert. Which we have discussed before, not to retread old ground, but there's Lyme disease, but there's Lyme disease, there's post Lyme disease treatment syndrome, and then there is the entity chronic Lyme disease, which is not a recognized medical diagnosis that no legitimate medical organization, supports or advises treating in the way that pseudoscientific, I don't know what to call them, doctors, practitioners. Practitioners, practitioners would recommend, just to remind you of that. So, and I don't know what kind,

obviously this person had. I don't know anything about that, not the doctor, just reading the bios that are freely available online, you can read yourself. So anyway, there was also a lot of physical and emotional stress from stuff that stresses us all out, our jobs and relationships and things like that. And so seeking some sort of alternative healing method, she found sound and light therapy. And now the exact like nature of this, of the type of sound and light therapy that she

encountered, I don't know. I couldn't find in any of the bios like the description of like, did you go? Like sit under a sun lamp because that's like a light therapy. I wish you'd click audio because like we this would take you to the sub the several summons episodes we've done about sound and light therapy and their relative usefulness. We're going to talk about a lot of the things we've covered before. That again are all coming together for this egg. So light therapy, as we've talked about, a lot of the time what you're talking about is something like using a sun lamp or some sort of UV light device

for something like seasonal effective disorder. Okay. Something Justin has tried before. Yep. So, you know, in light therapy can be beyond that. Like it can be different colors of light or patterns of light. There, light therapy can encompass more than just, I need a sun lamp because it's winter and that

makes me depressed. But so she tried something that involved some sort of light therapy and then sound therapy. Sound therapy is a little, I don't know that we've ever done an episode just on sound therapy. It's, it is what it sounds like. You listen to things and it is healing. Yeah. I mean, that's it. Now, what exactly, what are the elements of sound therapy? I mean, it really, since it is not a recognized structured science, the modalities can be quite varied. So this could be anything from listening to something soothing. I imagine a lot of the music, we're gonna talk a lot about the music

because this plays into the egg. Oh great. Have you ever been to one of those stores at like a mall where they have a lot of sort of kind of, I don't know the word. Is it any kind of screen I don't know the word. I don't know how to keep up the screen. The big screen.

The big screen. It's not even on a screen, right? It's just like a big plastic. And it has pictures of CD covers. I don't think you can see the universe anymore. No, they don't exist. Because it was to buy a CD. Yeah, but it used to be a big wall, like, I don't know, like two foot by two foot panel.

And it'd be like on a kiosk. And you press the button on the panel and put on headphones, usually. Yes. And it'd be like on a key ask and you press the button on the panel and put on headphones usually. Yes. And it'd be like ocean sounds and press the button. It's like, this is what happened before you took off. Or India. Or whatever. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. And so it was like stuff that was soothing or nature sounds. This is where you're like a rain stick on CD. Rebellion months. Yes. Gloria Muntz was a thing for a little bit folks. I promise it was.

There was usually some Celtic music on there Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And like I remember we had sort of like a new a G kind of store at them all that had one of these and so like I imagine that a lot of caliber is it the or did they just sell swords and Scalars was just exactly swords and glass Great store swords and glass. Great story, swords and glass. Anyway, so it can be that kind of music, could be sound therapy, it can be things like drums

or the crystal bowls, the sound bowls, you've heard those. Yeah, gongs, chimes, tones, it could be singing or chanting of some sort. Or it could be like sitting in a sound bath, like something that would create vibrations that would surround you, right? So you actually in a sound bath, like something that would create vibrations that would surround you, right? So you actually feel the sound waves as opposed to just hear them.

There's a similar thing that we can do for kidney stones to break up a kidney stone. Oh, you hit it with like sound waves. Yeah, put you in a bath with sound waves. There's also a lot of like, I don't know how, I don't know if it's scientific basis at all, but there's a lot of like, the name is know how, I don't know if it's scientific basis or not, but there's a lot of like, the name is gonna escape me in the now, but it's a sort of like audio, BINORAL. BINORAL, audio, BINORAL beats, right?

Like, supposedly stepping into brain wave function and helping you to, exactly, like, to be relaxed or whatever. And there are ones where supposedly, like, if you put on a set of headphones, one side will play one tone and the other will play the other and the combination can create.

You can go back a little bit. Yeah. Like a euphoric feeling or something trying to tap into certain, yes, exactly parts of your brain. I'm using stuff like this to fall asleep for the better part of my adult life. So I'm, I'm on real shaky ground here, but it doesn't matter because how sleep is like ritual as much as this is anything else, right? This is why when we talk about some of this stuff, because when I get to the final product here, I feel like it, it seems a little silly. Like, if I looked at it, I think

I would giggle. I look at the pictures and I giggle. If you look up a picture of the harmonic egg while we're talking about it, it will make you giggle, because it looks a little like, what? But the reason that I think people go in for that, the reason that people will pay, right? Right? It's not because, and I think this is really important to stress, because oftentimes people who try these things, like the wrong approach is to just belittle them

or call them unintelligent, you know, or naive for trying them. It's really easy to slide into this stuff because on the surface... This egg does not look that easy to slide into. On the surface, it sounds really natural to say like, I do feel better during the winter if I'm in bright lights. It does make me feel better. That's a true thing. I do feel better if I'm really stressed out if I listen to soothing music.

Okay. I feel worse when I listen to jazz. We've talked about this because it's so complex and there's so much happening that my brain feels like every neuron is firing simultaneously and I'm gonna freak out. Okay. And that's just me.

So like we learn these things about ourselves, we learn what our body responds to, and we naturally seek out those experiences if they bring us pleasure or alleviate discomfort. But that is not medicine. And that's what I think is, but you can slide into this stuff easily. I mean, anybody can. So anyway, and especially if you're sick or desperate or scared. So, so that's what sound therapy is. And it can be any of those things. And I should note that like in terms of a physiologic basis, how would sound therapy work? We've talked a little bit about light therapy and why some of these things might have an

effect on the brain or circadian rhythms or like release of certain hormones. Sound therapy, as I was trying to read like, well, what's the physiology? Why do you think listening to these sounds cures you or heals you or does something to you? It's very vague. I mean, like I saw somebody said that the sounds just vibrate yourselves. And that's not, no.

Well, they do in a sense. I mean, you want to get extremely little about that. No, I mean, that's not. So then we're getting into like, yeah. That's what the bass does to it. The bass vibr you want to get extremely literal about that. I mean, that's not. So then we're getting into like, you know. That's what the base does to the base by brain cells. The base by brain cells. Because then we're starting to get into energy medicine, which is like, that's a big part

of this harmonic egg is the idea not so much that medicine should be a focus on like your physiology, that, you know, the actual anatomy of your body, the structures inside your body, the way that they function, the literal, chemical signals that are being sent back and forth, it's the idea that instead health and wellness all has to do with the flow of energy through your body and the blockage of that flow for different reasons or ways. Since the basis of, I mean, obviously a lot of

traditional Chinese medicine and this really the energy fields, you see a lot of it in applied kinesthesiology. I think it's a very prominent example, but like you can see energy used as a sort of hand-wavy, like thing we don't understand for a lot of stuff. It's sort of like our modern humors, I would say. Yes. I mean, the, again, these are calling on very ancient practices. The idea of like, blocking the flow of energy as a reason for illness is not new to this person. And certainly, I mean, it's not something that Western culture has created. Like, these are old ideas about wellness and wellbeing and why someone gets sick.

That like you said, a lot of like traditional Chinese medicine caused to these theories. Certainly not a creation of 2010. Modern alternative medicine seems to be just like a never a new battle between toxins and energy. It's just those two things, buying for a promise. Yes, exactly.

So anyway, our inventor tried these things and thought that they were helping, but thought that with a background in engineering and her own sort of natural gifts, she could do it better, basically. Like, these things are good, but, and I know they worked because they worked on me, but I think that I can use my expertise to perfect them. And so, in 2010, she started sort of practicing her own, like, sounds and like, therapies at

her own center. And in doing this, she started incorporating all of these ideas, like, I want to do it all in a single experience. I want to make one single thing that will do all of this stuff for us. I gotta say, babe, I was not really... I was not visualizing the scope of the egg properly when you first started discussing it. And once I realized what we were talking about, I'm extremely excited. Okay, I haven't described it yet. I will get there. Yeah, save that. I were talking about, I'm extremely excited. Okay, I haven't described it yet.

I will get there. Yeah, save that. I will get there. I'm so excited. So in order, but in order to understand why the egg, once you look at it or if you are looking at it, why it looks like it does, why it has all those other elements,

because like light and sound are just, that's just part of it. Right. I need to talk about the other principles that got drawn into this. But before I do that, we do have to go to the Bill and Department of Labor. Okay, but like really fast, you promise?

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Listen to me on the Judge John Hodgman podcast. If someone in your life is doing you wrong, don't just take it. Take it to court. Submit your case at MaximumFund.org slash J.J.H.O. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. As I said, as she was practicing these things, she wanted to incorporate some other ideas, I think, through her reading and her studies into her final product.

One thing that she had studied and wanted to incorporate was sacred geometry. Sacred geometry is not really a medical concept. It gets it's a mathematical and religious spiritual sort of concept. A lot of it is tied to the idea that whatever you believe is a higher power, gave some order to the world. That there is some natural structure to the world, and that you can see that order and that meaning echoed in commonly occurring shapes throughout the world and throughout our universe. A lot of this is in the natural world. A good example of this that has a lot of special meaning within segregationometry is like a spiral, a logarithmic spiral, like a snail shell. Okay.

Or like the perfect version of that is the Fibonacci spiral. Okay. Okay. That has a lot of important spiritual meaning in some traditions. And if you imagine that like, if you're trying to understand the world

and our place in it and you see that, and that same shape is the shape of a hurricane. A hawk flies in that same sort of shape while circling prey, or once we're able to look at galaxies, they echo that shape. You can see where this would... It's like the golden ratio, right? Exactly. Exactly.

And it has a lot of important spiritual meaning, these shapes. And it's the same thing with things like triangles and circles and squares. They're repeated throughout the manmade and the natural world, and there's special meaning to them. And that these shapes can then therefore have power over your life and your body and your feelings and your experiences. I mean, there are shapes. If you put them near you.

And there are certain traditions where you would put crystals in certain shapes to invoke certain things. I love that. So anyway, it's more of a belief system-related thing Then certainly anything medical. Also a chromotherapy, which we've done an entire episode on color therapy, the idea that color can be healing in some way or can alter your mood and emotional state, but also how you feel, like your physical well-being could be changed or influenced by colors that you were seeing.

Remember we did an entire episode on Baker Miller Pink? Right. And the idea that this specific shade of pink was the most calming shade and could like quell, violent impulses or like help somebody in an acute psychiatric crisis or something like that. Okay. So she wanted to incorporate sacred geometry as well as color therapy, sound and light therapy. And then all of these specific people who,

and I watched a video interviewing the creator and a doctor that helped sort of develop some of these ideas, a doctor of energy medicine. And they kind of named drops and like, okay, like Nikola Tesla is commonly referenced as a big influence on these ideas. Well, I mean better than Edison. Yeah, I mean, like that so electricity alternating current. We love that stuff, right? That's great. We love that. Yeah. Toasters,

Alexa's like cars like, wow for it. So there's, so there's Tesla is up in there. And then there's, but then at the same time, like I, I, in one of the interviews there's, so there's Tesla is up in there. And then there's, um, but then at the same time, like I, I, in one of the interviews with them, uh, they were talking about royal rife. Do you remember royal rife? Oh my god, that was the, okay, royal rife. Was that the surgeon that did a lot of wild stuff? Royal rife made, okay, we did an entire episode on royal rife. Uh, he did a bunch of, first we made a bunch of microscopes and like they were known for being like incredibly cumbersome, difficult to use and not the best. So you made a bunch of microscopes and then he went on to make like these rife machines and like to

make, to make the rife beam ray. And then he started these right devices, I remember. And he started talking about how all things have a certain frequency of vibration. He called it the mortal oscillatory rate. And so everything has that. So like, you know, and he's looking at microorganism. So like, herpes has a specific oscillation rate and flu has a specific oscillation rate. Cancer. Sure. Cancer has a specific oscillation. And so if you can vibrate something at the same frequency at the way that the organism

naturally vibrates, you can destroy it. So that was the theory behind a lot of what he did, and most of that has been... Soundly, just broke. Yeah, yeah. Since then. Anyway, Royal Rife's theories come into play here. The work of Edgar Casey, the clairvoyant.

Oh, okay. Yes. Who like describe the lost world of Atlantis. Okay, a lot of pioneering work here it feels like. Yeah. And so and where are all these ideas coming to play? So you think of rife. Like I said, there's this idea that things vibrate at a certain rate and if you can match their vibration, you can neutralize them. That is very much part of what is happening in these chambers. There's this vibration that is coming through from the sound waves and it's vibrating within your body and that can be used to neutralize

negative whatever the thing is that you're blaming things on. And that was also, it's funny, I was reading some of the articles on there and that was mentioned, there was an article about COVID, because I had to know. I had to know. They had that all figured out. Where did you fall on COVID? I had my suspicions. And I found an article about how the original impulse of the creator of this machine and then I guess people who practice this type of whatever you want to call it, modality, this modality.

We use modality. They say that a lot, modality. They say that a lot. They, the feeling was that initially, if you could just figure out the frequency that COVID vibrates at, we could vibrate something at the same rate and destroy it and kill the virus. But then they realized that that's the wrong approach. We should be loving the virus because love is the ultimate healing power. And so we refuse to vibrate on the frequency of the virus because then we're playing on

the viruses field. And instead, we will rise above the virus and love the virus. Love the virus. Love the virus. Love the virus. And love it until... I'm not sure how that, like the logistics of that. Of love. But like there's a, that caused a rife's idea of the vibration and the oscillation, whatever.

I think where Casey comes in is that, so he was a clairvoyant and he had all, he was able to tell us all these things about history, about historical events that he didn't actually experience, places he's never been, times that he didn't live. Because he could see into them through his third eye, right? Well, he would enter it through the dream world. So he could enter these places through the dream world and understand things that he wasn't actually part of. So this place into the egg in this place into the egg in something called the non-local realm. And I was listening to an explanation of the non-local realm.

OK. I'm trying so hard to just explain. I'm laughing about a funny joke that I know about. I'm just trying to explain to you. So OK, all of this is tied into the ideas of something called controlled remote viewing and The non-local realm. Okay. Okay. Controlled remote viewing is sort of like the dream realm that we just talked about the dream scape the dream land

Basically, you should be able to if you if I were to tell you like Name a place in West Virginia, you've never been, name a city, you've never been. Okay. If I gave you the geographic coordinates of Hinton, you should be able to, using, if you are a practitioner of controlled remote viewing, if you are good at it, then you could close your eyes,

and you could go to this place in your mind and actually describe it. Okay. Okay. And accurately describe this location you've never been to. Okay. And so then you can imagine how you could use that to describe places in the past or whatever. You know, you could use, you could send your mind anywhere.

And this is through the non-local realm, which is a space where all things can exist simultaneously and where you can go from one place to another in the instant. Honey, we all know about the multiverse, okay? They literally refer to it as a quantum realm. Okay. All right, y'all, you got at least, you got to do a little bit better than that. The quantum realm is the non-local realm, is the quantum realm sort of. It's the quantum realm.

I also imagine this feels very similar to me. I referenced French when Olivia Dunham gets in the isolation chamber in the bath and then is able to like go places and talk to people. It feels very similar to like on stranger things. When a lab is able to get into the chamber and then visit the upside down and be where people are without physically being where they are. I noticed you're drawing quantum realm. That's all non-level realm.

I noticed you're drawing. That's all quantum realm. That's all non-level realm. I noticed you're drawing. These are the same ideas. You're drawing a lot of comparisons. I feel like to like sci-fi shows. And I don't see you making a lot of connections in this in like documentaries that I might have seen or experiences from my real life. I don't have any. Oh, okay.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you. So all of this comes together to create the egg. So in 2016, the realization of all of these ideas resulted in the creation of an 11 by 7 foot. It's an, it looks like a big egg. It's a dodecahedrin, technically. Okay. That you, it's got wood paneling inside. Nine.

Yeah, very nice wood paneling. And you, you climb inside, there's an anti-gravity chair, just sort of sitting right in the middle of the chair. It's got obviously like colorful lights and it's got speakers for the sound and a door so you can get in it. So you can get out of it. You go and I'm sure you can get out. So it's for both the way in and out. Yeah I'm sure you got it. So you go in and at first for like a couple of minutes,

you, this is quiet so that you can set your intention. Like what is the thing you're there to fix? Okay. And then. I'm there to get back the money I spent on the edge. The lights and sound start. And like there has been music specially composed for the eggs now.

Oh, that's nice. Like she has worked with people to make music specifically for the eggs. I'm just glad Yani is working honestly. And then there's also like, and then the light patterns, it sounds from, I was reading some like descriptions of people who tried them out. And it sounds like you can't guarantee like the lights will be the same for everybody, you know, I guess it's individual stream. Yeah, looks. So the can I try and the front of the football, like the front panel of the football,

slides out and you can get into the egg that way. And then you can get into the egg that way. And then you can get into the egg that way. And then you can get into the egg that way. And it looks like a football and the front of the football, like the front panel of the football slides out and you can get into the egg that way. And there's like multi-color lights on the inside. It looks chill. I mean, it looks like a very chill experience.

But that is what the end, it's completely white on the outside. It's like the facets of it, giving it that geometric quality. And after, so after you're done with the light, probably gonna make more accurately. The light and sound show. You, like it's quiet for a few more minutes

to let you sort of decompress, I don't know. Come back to our realm. And then they let you out, and they talked to you a little bit about it, they'll write some stuff down if you want them to about your experience so that like, if there were certain journeys you went on that you want to continue next time, they'll remind you can remind yourself so you can do that the next time. They give you, I read one account where they give you like a special electrolyte beverage afterwards.

Oh, that's good. You got a replenish. And then you can do it as much as you want. No kidding. I figured I would be so exhausted and spent physically, spiritually, financially, after being in the egg that I wouldn't be able to go back for quite some time. No, you can go as much as you want. So what they tell you it does, it's a lot of these sort of like non-specific claims. It works to balance our autonomic nervous system, which it's autonomic. It should do its thing.

It's got auto right in there. On its own. Detoxes the body, which I mean, we've talked about that before. Reduces inflammation, increases circulation, and clears trauma at a cellular level, which is a big claim. And as someone who practices an area that is rife with multi-generational trauma, I find that troubling, personally very troubling. I always think that for me, when I hear that, like this is going to clear your trauma, and I suspect that it's pseudoscience.

For me, that's right up there with like claiming to fix AIDS or cancer. Like, it's just such a horrible promise to lie about. So anyway, and it allows the body to balance and restore itself naturally promoting optimal health and wellness. And then you can read the testimonials where like, it's not them saying they'll fix an illness, which they're very careful not to do. They don't tell you they're going to treat a disease. They don't tell you they're going to treat an illness.

There are other people who say, it treated my Lyme disease. It treated my autoimmune conditions. It treated my, somebody recovered after a knee surgery, really well because of it. But the owners and creators of the aggregators, like, I don't know, here's egg. It clears trauma at a cellular level, which you can't, I mean, that means, that means nothing. Like you can't hold them to that club. What does that mean? I don't know how to prove it or disprove it.

So the testimonials are all there. I didn't find, usually on things like this, there'll be some links to some studies where they'll at least try to prove that it works. I'll be some links to some studies where they'll at least try to prove that it works. I didn't find links to study. It was more just sort of like, well, we know light therapy works. We know chromotherapy works. And we're just putting it all together.

And it's like, well, no, we don't know any of that stuff works. Some of it we know doesn't. So, and there are all kinds of like articles on there about different topics, ways like don't do, there's a whole series of like, it's got a bad word in it so I can't say it, don't do dumb stuff to your body. And there are things like that, there are links to things you can buy. You can buy a small egg for your keychain. No, you can buy, I think they tell you how to get the electrolyte beverages they sell. Okay.

They will sell you the, their books, of course, of course, their books about how these are ancient wisdoms and how to use them and all this stuff. But there's also a USB drives that contain the music. Oh good. You can buy a physical USB drive. A physical USB drive, you can buy. Perfect. Well, you can't buy the CDs anymore.

So, you can't buy it. I mean, I get physical USB drives. They also link to companies that sell things like oils and supplements. Well, when you say they, when you do that, what are, what are, what are to set up here? Are we talking like a franchise model? Yes. Where you got eggs all over, you can go find it like sort of like the O2 bars that sort of part are the IV stuff.

Preciselyely precisely. So this is a franchise. When you go to the primary website, which is the first one was set up in Colorado. It was, where is the first one? It was outside Denver is where she started practicing, but the first egg is not, I do not believe in Denver proper, but there's a ton of these in Colorado. There's a ton of these in Colorado. No.

Yeah, there's a lot of them there that seems to be the most common place you can find them of course in California and throughout a lot of the Western states. I think I found one in like Connecticut, maybe New York. There are several in different places like there's one in Ontario and some other places in Canada. There are total 140 of these things in 10 different countries. And you'll find the egg probably inside some sort of

like wellness center, I would guess, like some place that already does alternative therapies and then you can buy and you can go to the website like buy an egg, but I mean, you're gonna have to set up a whole center because I assume it's really, I don't know how much it costs to franchise the egg. I gotta look around and see if we got any in the wellness centers here.

We have several really heinous looking these pop-up. You can go to their primary website and look for like you can put in your zip code and look for the closest one. I did not do that. I don't want them to know my zip code and look for the closest one. I did not do that. I don't want them to know my zip code. You can, the sessions, it depends on where you are. Like the prices will vary a little bit, depending on where in the country you are. And they, they do note that like they're, they have a

base for them so that they can't undercut each other. So they can only be so cheap. I figured the basis so they didn't roll around. The prices that I saw for one website I looked at, which I think was one of the Colorado ones, it was like $130 bucks for a session. And then they also do, and you can buy packages, you can do like a $300, $600, $900, $900 a month, you can do like a $300, $600, $900 a month, you can do different packages. They also do things like, I couldn't tell what these practitioners did, but there are other people there who will walk you through different treatments for like $200 or $250 depending

on what you're looking for. And then they also do remote sessions for like $75 or whatever the cost is at your local center. So they just show you a video of the egg? They put your picture inside the egg. No, they don't. No, they don't. No, they don't take it back.

Let's take it back so you made that up. So you made it up. Listen, I tried to figure out what a remote session was and then I found the creator talking about one time there was somebody who had COVID and they were very sick and in the ICU. So she put their picture in the egg and did a remote session for them

and they came off the ventilator and got better from the COVID. That was, I'm just telling you what was on the website. It can't be that. Read it again, start over. Start the whole thing over. This is based on the idea that It can't be that. Read it again, start over, start the whole thing over. This is based on the idea that in the quantum realm, we're all in one place at the same time. And in the egg, it creates the perfect much like Olivia Dunham. In the isolation chamber,

it creates the perfect environment for you to enter the quantum realm. And then at that point, things that happen to your physical body in one location can happen to pieces of you in another location. So if we have your vibrations inside the chamber, then your physical body elsewhere, the two will come together in the quantum realm and healing will occur. I guess I just don't understand why. If that is true, why do I have to drive all the way to Dayton according to this map to go experience it myself?

You could probably call them and try to get a remote session done. They'll also do a session for your pet. They do pet sessions. All thank goodness. Yeah. So you can put your pet friend inside it. And they have other products. There's something called a lift, which looks more like it looks more like one of those,

like a transport pod or something. It's like a big glass tube, you stand in. And it does like lights and sounds, it's just less of it. And then they have something called an ellipse, which is the newest product and it's bigger and better. And it's just, it's the egg, but better, I guess. Same idea. Three eggs in a row, indicating a pause in speech.

Those seal cups. So anyway, that, that is the egg. That is, that is how it works. You told me about it. I mean, it like in terms of risks and benefits, um, I mean, I don't know what the, other than that you're going to waste some money, I don't know what the other than that you're going to waste some money, I don't know what the risk would be. Like you're sitting in a pleasant room, a pleasant, tiny room listening to pleasant sounds probably, and there are lights. And

a lot of the people who use it reported feeling very suuthed and stress-free and relaxed afterwards. As it would be, it would be, if you're into like meditation and stuff, this would be a similar vibe, right? Like this would fit right in there with that kind of centering sort of experience. But it's, but it's a pretty expensive thing, whereas like you do meditation for free. And it certainly will not cure or treat any type of illness. And they don't claim that, but it's like a lot of wellness products where they don't claim that, but they definitely allow people

who've used it to claim it. Honey, they have a children's book. They have a children's book. Little dragon in the giant egg, a hermetic adventure. I didn't know that. I can't even have it. How can I get this book without telling the many thing about myself or giving any disinformation that they could use to track me down? I think it's just, if it was just something that people wanted to do to feel at peace and alleviate their stress, I mean, it's a pretty expensive thing for that,

but like we all choose to spend our money on things that aren't necessary at times, right? Like many people will spend money on something that others would consider frivolous or unneeded. And so if it was just that, it was just that, but it's with the health claims. Why the health claims? This is what irrit hates me about people.

I wish that we as a species could just be like, hey, I made this crazy egg. You have to come check it out. It's wild. There's lights and sounds and you get in it and you just freak out for like 20 minutes. It's amazing. And yeah, I got charged a little mic

because these things aren't cheap. But you just go in there like, it's like what's it do? It's like, it doesn't do. What are you talking about? You just go in and cheap. But you just go in there like, it's like, what's it do? It's like, it doesn't do, what are you talking about? You just go in and it's wild, you're in the egg and it's crazy. And it's like, you just experience it.

I would do that. And there's just like, hey, come sit in this egg. Yeah. It's wild. Nobody can get to you. You don't really need news. You just sit in the egg.

Yeah, I'll sit in the egg. This is what really tears me up about this kind of stuff is because I told you, I understand what we're trying to mimic here because I've watched sci-fi. I think that some of that stuff is fascinating to think about as a thought exercise, as a lot of these people study stuff like the vague human potential, that concept of human potential. I understand wanting to explore that. And like definitely people who have started thinking that way

have increased our understanding of what humans can do and are capable of throughout time and to history, right? Like these are not bad thoughts to have. It's when you tie it to something that one will give people false hope in pursuit of curing something or treating something or to just rip some off. You know, I mean, I just don't like it. It's just frustrating.

It's like if you just really want to experience it because it sounds like a cool thing and you got 130 bucks to drop on it. Go for it. Go for it. So be it. I wouldn't do it at that price. I didn't price 20 bucks. I might get in the egg for an hour. I would not get in the egg for an hour. I don't know. I don't know. How long would you get in the egg for that for 30 minutes? How long would you pay? How much would you pay to get in the egg for 30 minutes? I couldn't be in that egg for 30. Do

you know me? Do you think I could sit in an isolation chamber for 30 minutes? No, probably not. You need some people in there with you. I could be in there for five minutes before I needed somebody to talk to, and I would freak out. Yeah, you'd be texting me. I'm bored, come get me. Exactly, I'm not claustrophobic. I just need more stimulation than that.

I don't, but that's the point. I do not see any way scientifically this would treat or cure anything. I don't necessarily see how it could be risky unless you do have claustrophobia. In which case I imagine this would be very uncomfortable. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We're sorry that if you're angry about this,

we get it. There have been many worse things on the sub-uns, but I can't, very few have gotten irritated me to this extent, not infuriated, irritated, so irritating. I just think that all this stuff is really, if people want to sit around and talk about it and write about it, write books

so that you can read about it and think about it, I think that's great. I think it's fascinating. Make the egg, it's just the same way we learned about those time space waves. We don't know why, we just did it. Yeah, and like I love reading about it and talking about it and thinking about it,

it doesn't always have to be tied to making the money or health and whatever wellness means anymore. I don't know what the word wellness means nowadays. Also just a quick note, Sid, do you want to cover this one? Yeah, last week on the show, we heard medical questions. One listener wrote in and used the term in the question, womb man, as in the word womb and man. And Justin and I had never heard that term before. I thought it was just a portmanteau for someone who has a uterus, whoever that person may be. Apparently, this is a term that has been used or is commonly used

by trans-exclusionary radical feminists, or people who are transphobic and deny the rights and existence of trans people in their ability to, you know, exist safely and equally with the rest of us. I think we have both been pretty clear on the show, and I hope you know about us. I hope we have gained that trust that we are both absolutely supporters of the transgender community and would never in any way try to exclude trans women from our definition or anyone's definition of women. And if that word caused you harm, I am sorry.

I absolutely would never do that intentionally. And thank you to the listeners who wrote, can I say very kind emails to educate us on what that word meant? Yeah. I really appreciate you taking the time and emotional labor to do that. We have removed it from the last episode

just because we didn't want to make for an unpleasant listening experience for anybody that might be triggered by hearing a term like that, considering the context and the gravity. But we did want to mention it here, just so it doesn't seem like we were trying to sweep things under the rug. But no. Thank you so much for listening our podcast. We hope you enjoyed yourself. Thanks to taxpayers for these so our song Medicines is the International Ruprgram. It's their song. I don't know why it's that our song. Thanks to you for listening. That's going to do it for us. Until next time, my name is

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