Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Royal Rife

Episode Date: January 14, 2014

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The medicines, the medicines, the escalators, my cop, for the mouth. Wow, everybody and welcome to Saul Bones bones a mirror tour of this guided medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McAroy and I'm Sydney McAroy. Happy Tuesday Singing to new new day. It's a brand new era. A brand new era of Sal bones where we launch on Tuesday. So that we can get you through hump day. That's the next day. Hump day, save it for hump day or just burn it now. It's okay, whenever you wanna do. Either way. Completely fine, but.

We're filling your podcast void on Tuesday. All right, sitting, I'm ready, educate me. Help me expand my horizons. I will, Justin, I'm really excited about this week's episode because I think I learned a really important lesson while I was researching this. So we're gonna talk about a guy, we're gonna talk about some famous name in medicine.

A royal Raymond Rife, which is a great name, by the way. It's a good start. Royal Rife. And before I tell you about him, let me just say that I really, you know, researching Royal Rife was a real testament to what a great resource the internet is.

You know, it's like, the thing I like about it the most is that everything on the internet is true. And it's completely reliable. I mean, it's like this giant electronic encyclopedia that you know is well researched. You know it's cross-referenced. Well, well, let me let me stop you there said. What? I'm somebody who works on the internet. Works. I'm doing air quotes for those of you at home. I work on the internet and you it's not

exactly as you've imagined it here. It's a there's a little more to it than that. Exactly as you've imagined it here. There's a little more to it than that. Well, but I mean, I found, I mean, I'm Royal Rife, like I found just pages and pages of information that I mean, clearly it's all true, right? Whilst would all these people be writing this stuff if it wasn't factual. Tell you what, let's apply a critical eye here.

Why don't you pop open a couple of the web pages you've used as reference for your research before we get started? Go ahead and open up. Okay, well I'll just pick one here at random because I mean there's a lot. Like really I was kind of playing on doing like a 15 part series. Okay, 15 parts sounds a little excessive. Here's one of my favorites. Let me look.

Okay. See, right away I'm seeing the problems here. Do you see on the side of the page here, this giant banner add for the Illuminati, and the dangers of the Illuminati? Well, I try not to pay attention to advertising. Okay, see that is gonna be, that's gonna be a big tip off

that the information has some problems to it. Let me look at this other tab that you've got open here. Yeah, this one's better. This is better. Do you see how one of the links though is about a guy who can shape clouds with his mind? Is that a problem? That is a problem. Here's what I need you to do. I need you to let take a break, quick break. You dive back into your research of your 15-part plan series on Royal Raymond Rife, which I, don't give me wrong, very excited about the possibilities of a 15-part solvent. I mean, it's gonna be great.

Yeah, why don't you take a critical eye your research with the understanding that maybe some things on the internet aren't true in the classical sense. And then we'll come back, okay? Is it really easy to tell? I mean, do you? Yeah, just look for ads for Scientology. Uh-huh.

And some of the, like a banner ad for the Illuminati, not great cloud shaping. Some real big tip-offs. Other real obvious lies that are there. Okay. So like that one right there with the picture of like the aliens building the pyramids. Yeah, that's probably that. Take another credit and we'll be right back. Okay. Well, how to go. Okay, so maybe not 15 parts. Yeah. Maybe just the one part. Just maybe just the one. There's a lot of stuff out there that isn't true

Yeah, I'm in what I'm just saying like is nobody editing this is there nobody looking out for us? No people who are trying to research and find out the truth no, I'm sorry. She needs a vast wasteland out there All right, well as it turns out where here's our one-part series on Royal Rife. It's not even a series now. On the stuff that is probably true about Royal Rife. The stuff that I could actually find, you know what's interesting, is that it would be a good thing. The topic I should point out before we get too deep suggested by Matt.

So thank you so much Matt. Yeah, thank you Matt. This turned out to be a great topic. Because what was very interesting is that there were literally probably two sources that I could 100% rely on outside of things like Wikipedia, which is even questionable there for information about Royal Rife. So I had to do a lot of digging, but I think I've uncovered what is basically true about this guy. Okay, give me, give me, I know nothing about him, so start me at the beginning. So he is an American inventor. He was born in 1888, lived until 1971.

It's good run. It's good run. Yeah. Yeah. Good, good long run. He was born in Nebraska. He came from a household. His dad was a dad was a clever guy, a mechanical engineer. And he was a it was a German speaking household. This is actually this is not a fact that we know about him. This is based on his accent not a fact that we know about him. This is based on his accent, we guess this. Okay. Very little. Already into the suspect information, I like it.

Very little is known about his raising, his childhood, exactly where, when he studied. We know at some point, he probably studied at Johns Hopkins. And then he moved to Germany. Okay. He worked for an optical company, Zeiss Optical Company there, where he made microscopes, which is going to be a theme as we move forward. So he was there until World War I started.

He got married and he started traveling Europe, got out of Germany. Interestingly, he developed some other kind of hobbies. He played guitar and French horn, and as you're going to learn, he was some other kind of hobby. He played guitar and French horn. And as you're going to learn, he was quite the inventor. He also built a hundred string guitar. Okay. See, that's a pretty crazy start. I was a little worried about this topic until just now.

That's not something that I could... I mean, I'm barely... I've been playing for 10 years. I'm barely hanging in there with six strings. So are you, see, I don't know because I'm not a musician. So do you think like a hundred string guitar would be challenging? I don't think you need to be a musician to know that a hundred string guitar would probably be a little difficult.

He also, I thought this was great. He held the high powered motorboat speed record until his death. Nice! Okay. I like this guy. I like this guy. I'm Renaissance man. Yeah, sort of the predecessor of the most interesting man in the world.

A little bit of everything. And when he came back to the US, he got really interesting. So at this point, I'm not sure. I'm already pretty interested, I have to say. I'm not sure what he actually had degrees in. It's listed that he actually had degrees in. It's listed that he studied myriad fields.

I know that he got a couple of honorary degrees. I don't know if he got any actual degrees, but I know he got an honorary degree in parasitology from the University of Heidelberg. And he later got a doctor of science degree, again, honorary from the University of Southern California, although he actually never wrote them back. They wrote him and said that he could have it, and then he never answered, and that was kind of the end of it. But I mean, I guess the comments are down there, swing by and pick it up. Just leave it the registrar's office or something. No big. So, with whatever kind of background he had, we certainly know that he worked at a

microscope company. His initial work, that his foray into medicine, was that he was inventing microscopes. He was creating new microscopes with the intention that he wanted us to be able to observe even smaller organisms than we already could. And he wanted to be able to see all the strings on his guitar. So he could play it. So he could play it. A sense of where... Yeah, later he sized it back.

So he just wore a jeweler's ring and that allowed him to hit most of the strings. It would take him, it would take him at least three days to play the first verse of any song, but it was worth the way. You should hear his stairway now. Get comfortable. It's still happening. Get it, actually get a hotel room while I'm thinking about it. You're going to be there for a while.

Still echoing throughout the universe. At the time, and I know this isn't going to mean much, but just to give you an idea, we could only see things that were about 200 nanometers. So what that excluded is that we couldn't see things like viruses. Okay, so basically his thought was, I think that I'm really good with microscopes, and I can make one that could see things that are even smaller. No more goal.

He created five different microscopes, like five different, we're not into, you know, I think he probably made more than five. But five different types of microscopes that were just called the RIF1 through five. Each one, hopefully, improving upon the last one. But what made him the most famous was his RIF3, which was called the Universal Microscope.

And the reason that this was such a big deal is that he said that he could not only view viruses with this microscope, which wouldn't be possible until later with the invention of the electron microscope, which is't be possible until later with the invention of the electron microscope, which is how we usually view viruses today. But he said not only could he already see viruses, he could see living viruses. Okay.

So, well, could he? Well, I'm not so sure about that. The thing about the electron microscope is in order to see the viruses, we actually have to kill them first before we can slice them down really small and take a look at them. He thought that what his microscope could do through the use of basically every kind of technique of microscopy at the time. And I am not a microscopist. I have a passing familiarity with microscopes as much physicians do, but I don't know all the ins and outs.

An amateur microscopy. I just, you know, dabble in the microscopy. But he used different types of like microscope technique. Like there was the basic like light microscope and then there was like dark field microscopy and you know all these different techniques and he said that he could see the virus his moving and living because if you could make the light you were emitting vibrated a certain frequency and that frequency reached the same frequency that the organism naturally vibrates because he believes that all

organisms vibrated at a certain frequency. It's a very messy economy of him. At that moment it would emit a certain spectrum of light that you could, you know, see, that you could visualize. And then you could distinguish different particles based on what spectrum of light you were seen under the microscope. That sounds very, this is all very confusing, Sydney. I just need you to tell me if it's true or not. As far as I can tell, this isn't true. Okay.

I hope I can. See, here's what's scary. Do you know how long it took me to figure that out? A while. I'm still be seeing it together. At first, as I was reading, I thought, well, maybe he really did invent a microscope that could see live viruses in here.

We're all talking crap about this guy, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. Now, it's hard to say for sure, though, because the problem is that none of these microscopes in their original form exist today. There are some blueprints. One of the RIF5 microscopes may still exist in in London somewhere like at the Institute for Tropical Diseases. This is maybe Why would that be why would so few be extent a lot of it was that he would take them apart the older ones and use them to try to build his newer ones Okay, well, I can see that. So that was part of it.

And then he was also giving them, he was making, not giving them, he was selling them to people. And the people would get them and then try to take them apart so that they could figure out how they worked. And so, and they were very complex. I mean, if you, there are some pictures that you can find on the internet of these microscopes. And even if you don't know anything about microscopes,

you could probably look at these and understand what I'm saying. They were just these huge metal systems of lenses and condensers and all these lights and all these different stages. And some of them were super tall and some of them were very wide. And they look incredibly cumbersome.

Okay. Not a centerpiece, not something you'd want to leave around. No. This is getting bulky. I'm going to take it apart and throw it away. And plus, he guarded them very, you know, he was very secretive about them. Okay. He didn't want people to know all about them. And very few people ever got to even take a look at them. In 1978, you know, after he died, one of them, at that point, was still in existence. And, you know, there was some one scientist who was allowed to take a look at it and kind of dissect it, take it apart, and try to figure out if it worked or not.

Again, I don't think this was the famous number three universal microscope, because that's what everybody wanted to look at. And his assessment of the whole thing was that, and this is a quote, that it seems to have been constructed in such a way as to make the work of microscopy tedious and cumbersome. To make, just when you thought that never ending thrill ride of using a microscope could not get any more boring. Here comes Royal Raymond Rive to make it even worse than it already is.

Even worse than it was. And what was interesting is that they started analyzing, he took some photographs with a microscope. They're called a photo micrograph. If you take a, you know, a photograph through the lens, you've probably seen them in science textbooks. And he, uh, most of the ones he took were probably either faked or not necessarily maliciously faked They were just artifacts from like light shining on the lens look at that there that there's see it's a germ I told you it's a that that looks like that that's mustard is that your eyelash left some mustard in it I like showing your microscope up pretty sure it's a germ. I've done it

So at this point you're probably wondering when we're going to start talking about medicine and stop talking about microscopes. But it seems natural that if, you know, Raymond, if Royal Rife thought that he could, you know, see things like viruses, you know, germs that caused disease that other people couldn't see and that he understood something about them that other people didn't. This, this, um, rate that they vibrate or frequency that they oscillate, whatever. He got a god come box.

Yeah, well, he thought maybe he could beat them. Oh, okay. So he based some of his theories, it's kind of interesting on- Is it really interesting? I think it's interesting. It's interesting. He just, he started grasping at other weird theories.

They were around at the time. One was that germs don't cause disease, but if you have an imbalance in your own body chemicals, then a bacteria that also is imbalanced can come into contact, and then you can become even further imbalanced. And that basically if you can just get your body imbalanced, you can never become ill,

no matter what you come in contact with. He believed that, and he also believed that there were only actually a handful of germs, like bacteria and viruses, and they just shifted from thing to thing throughout their life to cause different diseases. So maybe the same thing that causes herpes at this point in its life causes tuberculosis later in its life.

So it's sort of like David Bruce Banner in the Incredible Television series, just sadly moping on from body to body, seeing what new adventures await. That's what virus is basically. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's what he thought they did. Yeah. He was wrong. He was.

That's not true. Yeah, even I know that. But what it all came down to is that these organisms had a mortal oscillatory rate, which we talked about, the frequency they vibrate. And what he thought was that just like you could make them light up when you viewed them, um, with light, you know, of the same frequency, you could also vibrate them at that frequency to kill them. So like with electricity. So sweet.

And what better indicator is there of the nature of man than the progression of, hey, I can see it now, too. I'm gonna kill it. Look at that. I bet if I can see it, I can kill it. I can see it. I just, I mean, think about it. It's just logic.

The whites of the little germi eyes. I can see it. So I'm going to try to kill it. And at that point, it was very easy. That's why we can't see wind. Did you know that? That's why God made it so we can't see wind. Because then we'd kill it. We try to kill wind. That's why we can't see oxygen. That's why you can't see oxygen. And we die. And we all die. Oops, who won? No one. Thanks humans. Thanks humans. You very call the oxygen. There's a monster. Then we die. And we all die. Oops, who won? No one. Thanks, humans. Thanks, humans, you kill all the air.

Thanks for royal rife. So at that point, it seemed pretty easy. Like, how do you proceed? Well, you just start figuring out the frequency of different diseases. So we figured out the frequency of herpes, and polio, and meningitis, and tetanus, and flu, and...

This is also busted, though, because even though he though he could okay so he had to know the frequency of the thing to see the thing right okay but how on earth is he figuring out the frequency of the thing other than just like turning a knob until it pops up is that what he yeah he think did he mistake frequency with the focus knob is that maybe what's going on here maybe because the the thing about his images is that when they used, in some of the reports you can read, there were, like I said, there are a handful of things out there that you can read where they actually like studied his microscopes and tried to figure out for real if they worked.

I mean, people wanted them to work at the time. And there were people who thought he was a genius, no, not many, but people wanted them to work and they would investigate them. And they did find that while they probably could see things slightly smaller because of how many lenses and condensers and whatnot that then they could with other light microscopes just slightly smaller not viruses that he lost so much in resolution with all these series of lenses that he it actually you got a lot of artifact a lot of actually series of lenses that it actually, you got a lot of artifact, a lot of actually, like halos around things and light. And, you know, he had like a prism that he put in a certain part of the scope and it created these kind of light, artifactual things that drifted

around and you lost a lot of resolution with it. No good. I like HD science. So, but the difference is, so yeah, he figured out the frequency with the light, but then he invented the microscope wasn't made to kill the cells. The microscope could just see them. The beam ray could kill them. Yes, are you serious? Yes. He made a beam ray? He made a beam ray. Oh, this is so sweet. So you're telling me there's a guy this guy There's a guy somewhere in the annals of history who is on a sweet speed boat

They's going faster than anyways ever gone before and will ever again till he dies and on top he's Straddling like a throne playing a sweet 100 string guitar solo and and is in his third hand that he has because he's using two on the guitar, he has a death ring. He's got a beam ray. Oh my god. Maybe he probably had it mounted on the boat. I don't know what I'm saying.

I'm sorry. Of course he's got it mounted on the boat. No. Now, what was this beam ray? I'm going to tell you what it was later made of because it was re-created in later years. The originals again, they don't exist as far as we can tell if they do, maybe somebody's got them, but we don't know where they are. So it was some kind of tube with light in it, some kind of plasma light thing that shot

a concentrated beam of light or something. Kind of like a black light. It was a black light. It was pretty grubby. Nothing's dead, but check this sweet, grateful dead poster. He, the crazy thing is he started talking about this and there were like a handful of other MDs who were like,

yeah, okay. All right. I got this, this makes sense. And so they even helped him like open a clinic and they would use his device on cancer patients. That's where this really came into play. So we could figure out the frequency of all these infectious things,

but at that point we had other methods that we were investigating treating infectious things. Cancer, then as is true today, is the thing that we don't know how to beat. So, why not try it on cancer? If it can figure out the, you know, the frequency that any cell vibrates, why not a cancer cell? Yeah, that's where I would start. Don't learn how to kill skin cells. What's point of that? No, that's probably a waste of time. Yeah. And he also, he believed that there was a virus that caused all cancer too, which is part of why he

Thought that this would work So he opened this clinic There are no records really of how people did and it depends on what you read They probably if you're running a Sweet clinic where the main focus is death rays you probably don't want a lot of extensive documentation Excuse me Dr. Rupsh. Should we write this case down? No. I tried to use a death ray on it. And he just died.

And he died. So let's just keep this one on the DL between you and me, my man. I mean, there were definitely like isolated records of people who didn't do well and got sent to other facilities for further treatment. And, um, well, it was like, for treatment. Yeah, well, not for like a virtual treatment.

Like a real treatment. Um, I think the clearest indication that it wasn't successful is that there aren't records of it. If you invented a cure for cancer ray, wouldn't you want to write it down and publish it? Yeah, after I finished building a statute of myself and having people give me a bajillion dollars, maybe it was really secretive about it.

What was great is that it didn't do very well at this clinic, but as a result, more people jumped on board and built a larger clinic in Pasadena and a lab underneath where he could continue to perfect his beam ray and He kept treating it at this place not just cancer patients, but all kinds of patients with diseases with this At Ray at some point the story James Bond does step into stop him right before he gets like full oral domination mode I love that it's it's Ray's Ray his middle name is Raymond

Okay I love that it's it's Ray's Ray his middle name is Raymond Okay Sorry, yeah, I mean totally I can't believe I miss that What was even better is that he with the success or whatever he was having you call this whatever you call this He joined the beam ray company What there was a beam ray company I think it already existed before he, like, it was other beam rays, other types of beam rays, and maybe rays that did not cure cancer. Listen, like his ray. Listen, border directors, I'm going to be straight with you. It's been another tough year for the beam ray company.

This strong downward trend, you can see as our profits, I think we can source it back to what the problem has always been, the lack of existence of a beam ray. That is really putting a crunch on us. Anyway, don't forget to sign up for softball with Vicki. And I'll see you next year. At this point, with the beam ray company, his devices started to be... I don't want to say mass produced because that's really an overstatement. More were made. They were sold to patients in different places.

And then the legal battles began. It started with one of his own partners, that one of the other doctors who initially worked with him suing him in 1939, and it just continued from then on. Most people felt like that the beam ray didn't work. They thought the microscopes were suspect. He was still making and sending microscopes to people and they were incomplete and they didn't work and people couldn't replicate his results. The AMA got involved and basically said, this is all bunk. None of this is true. He just thought it was some kind of vast conspiracy and kept on fighting. He moved to Utah for a while. He found some limited support. He actually got a little bit of support from

the Church of Latter-day Saints there from some isolated groups, but then they kind of let go of that too. So he basically kind of ran out of people who believed in him. And he was spending all of his time in court, and he just kind of quit at that point. So in the 60s, he kind of gave up, started drinking a lot, joined the Bahi faith, and then he died in 1971, probably of alcoholism, as much as old age. And this sounds like a really sad story, although I mean, he did make a fake cure for cancer,

so I don't know. Yeah, and I'm sure he charged people money for it, so like. He did. His main interest was in the science of it. He was a very he paid a lot of attention to detail. You know, he he liked the idea of building these giant meticulous um microscopes. And I don't know where he got lost in this whole science thing. Cancer thing. Just the being right and the proof part. But this would just be like an interesting little footnote in history. A guy made a crazy ray.

He obviously it didn't work and then he died penniless and drunk. But in the 80s, a book came out called The Cancer Cure That Worked. And included in this book was Royal RIFES, beamray. The lost cure for cancer that the AMA suppressed, that the insurance companies and big pharma don't want you to know about. Yeah. And at that point, interest in what became known as the RIFE device was really revived. And so a lot of people started to believe that if we could recreate this rife device, we

could cure cancer. And so they started marketing their own kind of knockoffs based on this information under his name, although none of them were probably anything like the original beam ray. This is sort of like the time machine that Napoleon Dynamite's brother buys in that movie, right? I mean, that sort of thing, it bite off the internet, it's the symbol with parts you have at home. Exactly. If you send in enough box tops, you get your own hovercraft and made from garbage bags and carboxes. Most of the ones that started to be created in the 80s and then into the 90s were, okay, we're basically constructed of nine volt batteries, a switch, a timer, and then two kind of like copper tubes that you

could put on the person. And they did produce a very, very minor current. That was pretty much it. They were also helpful for seeking out troublesome statements that were keeping you from ascending up to OT2. This sounds kind of similar. Yeah, that the device you just described is very close to, to an emitter, same for, you know, the little file that maybe that's why I can't find out much information about Royal. Oh my god, it's a pot of Z-new.

I'm just saying. He's sending out secret messages from the volcano. He's buried under and he's keeping the right device suppressed. Classic. Well, and to continue this narrative in the 90s, they became involved in basically what was a giant pyramid marketing scheme.

So there you go. And there were a lot of advertisements So there you go. There were a lot of advertisements that it could, again, cure cancer. It could fight HIV. It was a big narrative that they tried to sell. But most of the people, as we move into the 90s who sold this, were eventually convicted of fraud. People were charged with the death of cancer patients who used that instead of actual treatments for cancer.

And it began to fall out of favor. So today, this is still something. I should say in 2006, there was a conference held in Seattle for RIF devices. And 300 people went and they sold devices illegally. I should add, you can't sell these medical devices because they're not medical devices, but they did sell them as medical devices.

It just boxes this. Thank you. It's nine volt batteries. But shall I give you 200 dollars? I think what's more impressive is that in 2006, they were able to find that many nine volt batteries. Yeah, absolutely. It was the last time you saw one of those in the shelf. Um, again, today none of the scopes exist in entirety.

Maybe a rye five in London. I'm not, I'm not sure on that again. Everything's pretty sketchy. So don't write us in with corrections on this stuff because whatever source you're reading is just as likely to be fake as the one that's. It's fraught. And this is the thing, you have to know. And I found, as frustrated as I was,

as I spent hours pouring over all of the internet, looking for information about this guy, I found someone who echoed my sentiment, which is that for every one piece of information that you find that is true about Royal Rife, you're gonna find a hundred different web pages and articles and testimonies that are just patently false that are people claiming that this was a secret cure for cancer that was eliminated by the government and by the AMA and by the insurance companies and big pharma and blah blah blah

and that we don't want you to have the cure for cancer so it's been hidden from you. Which of course is ridiculous. No, because it could make a lot of money and no one would keep that secret. No. Someone would be selling it to you, guarantee. It would make a lot of money. And his name wouldn't be like cancer, baddler, 971, top eBay user rating of 338. Like it's not gonna be that guy who's profiting off of it. I can guarantee you.

And to be fair, if I could, if I could inject just a little bit of earnestness into the cynical conversation, you know, the AMA, the American Medical Association, though I am not a member, is made up of physicians, I am one as well. And I'd like to believe that there are some of us

who actually want to help people, as much as maybe people don't believe that anymore. There are a lot of us who are in it for, you know. Who probably would have let it slip at a cocktail party, perhaps. Trust me guys, if I had the cure for cancer, I'd tell you. Cancer, why do you still have cancer? I've sent too much. I didn't say that cancer, I'd tell you. Cancer, why do you still have cancer? I've sent too much.

I didn't say that. I didn't say it. Don't tell. They're gonna cure me out. But there's the truth, guys. At this point, there aren't that many bad people in the world. And at this point, if there was a cure for cancer, somebody would have let it out. So I don't think the right device was it.

I don't think it hurt anybody. I mean, except for the shock and for the people who didn't seek treatment for their cancer because they had thought they had it with this death rate. That's fair point. So there you go. That's the story of Royal Rife again. If you want to do a more exhaustive search of the internet and find even more information, please be my guest. There's a lot out there. I have read some of the craziest things. I've ever read my life in search of information.

So if you want a good laugh, I would also advise that. And if you come upon a rife device in your travels, you can send that to P.O. Box 54. How'd I do less Virginia? 25706? Yeah, and if you find a a rife microscope, I'd love to see one of those too. Don't still not clear. Maybe one in London. If you got it, London let me know. If you're in London, swing by like all the museums. Let's see if you see it around. Anyway, that's going to do it for us on this new episode of Saul Bones. Thank you so much for listening. And thank you for joining us on our new time slot

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