Sawbones: A Marital Tour of Misguided Medicine - Sawbones: Sweating Sickness

Episode Date: May 7, 2015

This week on Sawbones, Justin and Sydnee are gonna make you sweat with their history of the totally bizarre phenomenon known as "Sweating Sickness." Music: "Medicines" by The Taxpayers

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And it's important to stay cool, right? Because I'll see you at Sweaty and Gross. And who wants to get Sweaty and Gross? Nobody. He's sipping our baby apparently, because she's sweaty and gross ever since the thermometer crested 60 degrees. She's pretty much sweaty all the time.

She's not sweaty. No, a little bit's claiming. No. It's a sugar. It's a sugar, okay. You know who didn't like getting sweaty? No, I don't know. People in Tudor, England.

Oh really? No, they hated it. People at Tudors, Biscuits World. People in Tudor, England. Oh really? No, they hated it. People at Tudors, Biscuit World. Well, hey, you have to get sweaty if you eat at Tudors, Biscuit World because you're eating lard biscuits. And that makes you, like your heart is working so hard, pumping against all that lard that you're gonna get sweaty. You're playing with fire, playing with your own life and health.

Tudors, Biscuit World is a biscuit shop. A local biscuit chain. A local biscuit shop here in West Virginia. And sweat plays a big role in it, apparently. No, I think they do make their biscuits with lard though. That's awesome, that's delicious. What's the sweating? Why the, why the, why the, why the, why the,

why the sweat talk said? Well, I thought we should, for this episode, I thought it would be interesting if we learned about sweating sickness. I've never in my entire life heard of that. That's because sweating sickness has not been around probably since like 1551. We cured it. Congratulations, everybody. We've found the cure.

We beat it. What everybody. We've found the cure. We beat it. What was the cure? Deodorant. I guess. I don't know. I know nothing about this thing. I'm just pulling it out of my hiding. No, the sweaty sickness is something that I actually didn't know a whole lot about because it's not a thing now. But we've had several listeners who've suggested it kind of over the past year now. So I'm gonna make all of you happy. So thank you, Chris, Chelsea, Melanie, Sheila,

and Kate, thank you for suggesting this. If you want to suggest a show topic, by the way, you can send that to solbonsatmaxwimfun.org. You can send them on Twitter, but that's in my correctim assuming that's like, it's sometimes they get lost at shuffle. They do, they do.

And I check the email and I can search for things, I keep like a list and I search for things that I think will make good topics. So that I can remember who to thank. And as Kate will attest to, I think, Eamotus in like March of 2014, like eventually we'll get to your topic. We got to Kate, we hope you're still listening.

Yeah, I hope you're not mad that we never, we never did the talk, because we're doing it now. There's just a lot of good stuff to do. So sweating sickness, also called English sweating sickness. Is that like a, what was the disease that everybody had a different nationality for? Remember like the, the Turks called it German, the German disease,

and the French disease. What was it? What was it? It was an SDF suicide. Anyway. It may have been suicide. Someone called it. Someone let us know.

This one was called the English Sweating Signus because for a while it only appeared to affect English people. It was only in England initially. And so it was called the English Sweating Signus. It was also referred to as Souter Anglicus, which just means the English sweat. So you got the English sweat. That was my favorite,

Morrissey derivative band in the mid-80s, the English sweat. They only had that one big hit, but it really, it was the song with generation. Can I just say that if there isn't a band called the English Swet? It's like a real, I'm like freaking out about what a good band name that is. You should get it right now.

If you are a band and you don't have a name, then you're in England. The English Swet, it's really good. You're welcome, UOS money, we just gave you. You put your welcome. So there were a series of epidemics of sweating sickness. They actually started in 1485. And as I said, they started in England.

And they spread, they eventually would spread to other parts of Europe and then disappear completely by 1551. The disease, which we read about and was known as the sweating sickness, was very deadly, very rapid and very sudden. So it was often said that you would be Mariette dinner and or Mariette, Mariette drinks and dead by dinner. Or maybe that was reversed. Anyway, maybe that's my tagline for the glue movie. It's definitely one of those two. Mariette drinks and dead by dinner.

Like that's a, that would be a really good name for soundtrack by the English sweat. Clue the movie. Oh, I clue the movie. Because Mariett drinks and dead by dinner. It's like a dinner party clue. Okay. Well, we have, I have T.M. in that too. Yeah, T.M. at all. Okay. So anyway, so you got this sweating sickness. It spread throughout a population pretty quickly about two weeks. It was burnt out, meaning that

the, it had stopped spreading. It's kind of an expression. It has burned itself out. Because it spread so quickly. People couldn't know. That was it's, it's problem, right? Yeah. You couldn't give it to enough people before you died. And it killed a lot of people very quickly. Lesson all you diseases out there, you got to take your time. Don't rush it. Don't burn out. No, the hallmark of a good plague, it's got to take a little longer

for you to develop symptoms. The best thing, if you're a virus or bacteria out there and you're listening and you want advice on how to spread to people. Thanks for tuning in, by the way. Wow, what an honor. I would advise that you be communicable before your symptomatic. It's a great idea.

Great move. Really sneaky. Really sneaky. So, I bet you could guess one symptom of sweating sickness. Sweating. Good job. Woo! That's a gimmick.

Yeah. So, yes, sweating sickness was named for the horrible, horrible sweats you got, but that wasn't the first symptom. So, let's talk about, before we kind of track the plague throughout history, let's talk about the symptoms. Okay. And a lot of this comes from the description, and we'll talk about this guy a little bit later, a Dr. John Kias, who wrote about the epidemic, the last one that we know of in

1551, and gives us like the best description that we have of it. This is why we know so much about it. So first, you get a sense of apprehension. So just a note to those of you maybe feeling a little anxious, you get a sense of apprehension, it may be nothing, or it may be the return of a five centuries long dead virus that has returned to play humanity in your patient zero. So it could be one of those two. So good luck with that. Sleep tight. Then you get shivers, really, really hard like shivers.

Like probably what we would call today riders, like you shake uncontrollably. I had that once, remember that one night I had those riggers and it was nothing in the emboss, really, that was really unpleasant. Because then I got it like a month later. Yeah, that's see, that's see, look at that, that's the secret disease, you gotta take your time. I got it and I thought I was getting the flu and we'd already had Charlie and I was, I was a disaster. You made me go to Wal wall greens in the middle of the night to go get a mask. Yes and I wore a mask the whole time I was taking care. I was so worried. I was hand sanitizer

in any way. It went away the next I don't know. I didn't have sweating sickness. It definitely wasn't that. After you get the shivers you get giddy. Like a brief respite, I guess. Because then you're gonna get a headache, and you're gonna get pain in your neck, in your shoulders, and your limbs, and then you just get really exhausted. And this would be the cold phase,

and this would last like three or four hours. After that is when the sweating part of sweating sickness would set in. So you would just start like getting really hot and sweating uncontrollably. You would start to become a little confused, delirious. You'd get chest pain. Your heart would start beating abnormally

and you could feel it. You get what we call palpitations, which just means you're aware of your heart beating. You can feel it beating really fast and hard. You'd become intensely thirsty. And this would go on for a few more hours. And then you would just get really exhausted all over again and want to go to sleep or die is what generally happened. Once you fell asleep, you would die.

Okay, listen, if you are the one in charge of naming a disease, you definitely want to highlight the most important thing about it. In this case, I'm not sure the sweating is like the big deal. Maybe next time this comes around, maybe call it super fast death disease. That might be a more accurate, so maybe people would take the proper precautions in dealing with it rather than sweating the sickness. That doesn't, oh, you're dead in 24 hours. Excellent.

That's definitely something I want to avoid. That's your hook right there. Day death disease. It's like it's like Friday Kroger though, you can't fall asleep. Right, but you can't die. Right, but the sweat, I mean, call it Friday Kroger disease. It's like it's like Friday Krueger though, you can't fall asleep. Right, but you can't die. Right, but the sweat, I mean, call it Friday Krueger disease.

I know, that's a thing, it can be like Friday Krueger disease. Yeah, I'm into that Elm Street disorder, like whatever, or just like sweating sickness doesn't communicate. The import of what is your experiencing? No, instead of the 24 hour flu, you had like the 24 hour death.

Yeah, yeah. And these outbreaks usually occurred in the summer. That's what the, all the different ones will talk about were mainly in the summer. And they seem to strike people that don't normally fall ill in epidemics. So young men, especially like people who are well to do, wealthy people, a lot of royalty.

And then, and one, I want to count mentioned the drunk poor also get it. So if you're not rich, just don't get drunk, because then you may be in trouble. Yeah. Once you got it, you weren't immune, so you could get it again. Great.

And since a lot of people died of it, if you got it a second time, that was, I mean, odds were, that was probably it for you. Rough. So let's talk about, so this was the sweating sickness and like I said it started in 1485 and I just want to kind of walk you through the different epidemics because there weren't that many so I can tell you about all of them. Great. The first one started right at the end of the war of the roses. I've had to read a lot about like... To be... Toot or England? To be to stand. What do we be talking about like 1485-ish?

Yeah, I just said that but... I want it to be a rescue. For what it's worth I read it off the screen. Oh, okay. So you just weren't listening to it. I just want to be sneaky. You just like, you didn't like negate a question. Sorry, you were saying.

You were saying. Sorry, go on. You were saying. By word of the saying sorry go on you were saying by war the roses I mean like the actual war of the roses not that really great movie do remember that great movie war the roses There's a lot of diversions in this episode I'm gonna like that movie great me out when I was a kid next up married couple and they're like killing each other next up on cities movie reviews It's for the roses Burn on a wire coming up actually right city's movie reviews. It's for the roses.

Burn on a wire coming up actually right. Stimulating around the initial we've got romantic the stone. I'm just about 20 years behind. It's still for you. Yeah, you'll catch up. In the in the battle of boss worth, which was the first battle we'll restart to see this disease, men were affected and this actually caused Lord Stanley, who was part of King Richard, the third side. So he was working for his side. And he actually had his troops retreat

because they were also sick with a sweating sickness. But in part it was an excuse that he used, because actually, after he did that, he betrayed the king and joined Henry, Tudor, Henry the seventh later, and then the coup went on to be successful and Henry became king. Oh, good for you. Yeah. But he used, he used sweating sickness to do that. Well, I always think it's cool when disease affects history. Yeah. Henry's army then marched triumphantly to London carrying the sweating sickness with them. It really hit in September of that year.

And by the end of October, it had burned itself out. That was it. September, October, done. And several thousand people were dead. Way too fast. And because I guess at the time we kept better track of rich people who died than poor people, I know this fact that two Lord Mayors died, six Alderman and three sheriffs. Yeah, I'm not, you gotta keep the important statistics. A diseased, really, so far apart by how many prominent figures in society it kills. This sounds like something that would be on like a really crappy high school

test. How many aldermen died in the 1485 epidemic? Anybody can kill a bunch of hobos. Any disease can kill a bunch of hobos. Being cannibotulism kills a lot of hobos. That's nothing. You want to, you got you want some of your imposition of power. That's something. You want to, you got, you want some of your position of power. That's something you can, that's a, that's a notch you can carve on your, on your red post. Then it took down quite a few people. It, it only spread as far as Ireland and then it disappears. And we don't hear anything about it. Again, until 1502. So in 1502, the sweating sickness returns. And this time, Dun dun dun. Yeah, accompanied by that music.

Always. And as sneaky, it has like a sneaky cloak, like a sni-ly whiplash kind of like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Oh, that's different music. I don't know what music it has. All right. I'm still workshopping it. Well, think about it.

It's probably written by the hot band, the English sweat. It's got a big English sweat too. So it comes back and this time it hits somebody pretty important. Arthur Prince of Wales, who was the older brother of Henry the Athe. So think about that. No, Henry the Athe, he got married to the wedding next door. She didn't marry seven times before. So he's in me the eighth. Yeah, he is. I got it. I get it. No, but I mean think about that. So he should have been King, right? Whoa, you're right. Look at you sweating sickness. You know, you burned out pretty quick, but you had a major impact.

Do you know who Arthur was married to? I don't. You're gonna look ahead and you're gonna just say it. That's right there. You know what, let me think about it. Was it, was it Catherine of Eragon? I see Catherine or Christine of Eragon. There was, I don't think there was a Christine.

It's definitely what you're right. I think it was Catherine of Eragon. Yes, I don't think there was a Christine of Stephanie. You're right I think it was Catherine of air gone. Yes, so Arthur Prince of Wales was married to Catherine of air gone now They're they're probably like history Buffs and historians and stuff out there right now who are like we all know this. This is so stupid I didn't know any of this so this is new to me. So he was married to Catherine of air gone So she also got the sweating sickness, but she lived. Arthur died.

Catherine married Henry VIII. Okay. So I get met with that normal maybe. Apparently, I mean, I don't know. Everything was kind of weird back then. Weird and gross. So she married his brother Henry VIII. And then of course Henry VIII.

If anything ever happens to me, I want you to marry Travis. Nope. Okay, Griffin. No, I'm not going to marry your brothers. Okay, well think about it. Don't rush to judgment. One, they're kind of already married. Technically. Yeah. And two, I mean they're your brothers. I'm it's weird. And they're not as cool as me I guess. Well, I mean obviously that part too. That's the most important thing. Okay, I'm sorry to keep you around. Also like your brother's. Chris, that's just, I guess that's weird. That's weird. They're like my brothers.

Anyway, so she, I mean, I think we all know this. Maybe we do, I don't know, I kind of knew this. Maybe not all the names and dates, but kind of knew this. So he was married to Catherine. Catherine bore him a daughter, but no sons. And he didn't like this because then the throne would go to a woman and there was really no precedent, a good precedent for that at the time

and that made him nervous. And so he was, I guess, already this kind of guy anyway, but he was looking around for maybe somebody else and of course then fell in love with. And Malin. Exactly. And he wanted to divorce Catherine, somebody else and of course then fell in love with. And Malin. Exactly. Yeah. And he wanted to divorce Catherine, but of course he couldn't

because they were Catholic. So he created the Church of England. So they had a sickness. So they forced you. Look at you. You butterfly a fat little disease. Just flappin' your wings and cause typhoons all over. Look at you.

That's what I wondered. Like, do you think if there wasn't sweating sickness or if Arthur had not gotten it, do you think we'd have a church of England? It might maybe be because of something else. Dave's church. Who's Dave and why did he make the church of England? I don't know, Sydney.

I'm not a sooth sauer. See, sweating sickness existed. The English sweat existed. And so we have, you know, we live in this reality. I think that it's fair to say that at some point there would have been somebody in England who wanted to divorce somebody else and would have started the Church of England in order to do it. Any other big outbreaks? There were a couple outbreaks in 1507 and 1517, a little bit smaller, but they did hit Oxford and Cambridge and killed a lot

of students there. But then it kind of it was quiet for a little while. Oh good, excellent. Tell me about that. Well, it come back. How do you make it come back, right? It does make a big comeback. But before we talk about it's come back. Why don't you follow me to the billing department? Let's go. The medicines, the medicines that ask you, make my car before the mound. So we had a kind of a law last time, I remember, and then things were about to pick back up on my freight. That's right. We get a really 1528, we get a really huge epidemic of sleeping sickness that finally breaks free from England and spreads to other places throughout Europe.

So as it starts ravaging Europe and I'll talk about all the different places it went, I think one interesting point is now Henry the Athe is the ruler and it hits London pretty hard. And he is freaked out. He was actually famously kind of obsessed with sleeping sickness. He was really scared. Yeah, thank you, sweating sickness. That would be more accurate, by the way. That's more terrifying. It is, we're being terrifying. We've never talked about sleeping sickness. That'll have to be another but but sleeping sickness is pretty terrifying. So no sweating sickness. Henry V. Athe was kind of obsessed with it. Terrified he would get it. He had a lot of different like his own like concoctions like different medicines he made for himself and like pulses and things. He

would tell people like do this and you'll definitely not get sweating sickness. But when it hit London, his plan to not get it was just to run, keep moving, stay on the move, it can't catch you. So he takes off from London. He's just going from town to town. Just country to country. Just running from sweating. The phone is stretched. Always one step ahead.

He does. He's in like a different house every other day. I mean, he really moved on the next town. He seems one person get overly sweaty. He's like, well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, friends that I've made here. I'm moving on. And this is really triggered.

His first move was actually triggered because you know, the sweating sickness hit London and he's married to Ann Boylin at this point. And Ann Boylin's one of her handmaidens falls ill with sweating sickness. And so he takes off leaving her behind. Cool. Not the handmaid, and I mean obviously the handmaid.

But leaving Ann Boylin behind. Oh listen, Annie, you're looking at a little sweaty. Uh, Papa's got a head-on down that one to my way and I will catch you on the flip-flop. Her father ends up getting it as well. And then finally, she also becomes ill with sweating sickness. So Ann Bolin had sweating sickness. So there are actually a lot of, I guess, that there you can, you can read a lot of the love letters written that there you can read a lot of the love letters written back and forth between Henry and Anne. If you're interested in that kind of thing, I stumbled on those as I was researching this. And there are some about the illness, you know, him riding her and being like, oh my love, gosh, I hope you get better. Also, please don't come where this, like, don't fall the address.

Don't, don't come visit me. I'll have moved on by then, and I really don't want to see you until you're better. That's a cool cake. Sorry. And her letters, though, are all like, I just hope I live so that I can continue to serve you. My Lord, I love you. Yeah.

But when she is ill, you can tell that he loves her because while he does not go to her or send her to him he does send his second best doctor. Oh nice. Second best to care for her. Do you know what that doctor's name was? I do not. Dr. William Butts. Oh no. So Dr. Butts. Oh no. Is sent on a mission to save Ann Boland from sweating sickness. This is real life. This is not like a TV show that you're watching on the BBC. All that is probably on a TV show.

Yeah, that's... But no, this is really what happened. Poor Dr. Butts. But he saved her. She lived. Oh, good job. She probably just lived. He probably didn't do anything, but she lived and

He forever after was in their favor and got lots of probably money and presents and prestige from it But this epidemic spread all over Europe. So we see cases in Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, all of these outbreaks Last about two weeks, but all in all it carries on for about a year before it goes away. And everybody hoped that was the end of it, but it wasn't. But no. Because as we referenced, the very last outbreak was in 1551. This one again is mainly just in England. Dr. John Kaya, who I already mentioned, was a famous doctor of the time. And he wrote a very, like I said, a very thorough account of what the sweating sickness was like. That's what most people read today,

his kind of account of it. And he treated a lot of people for it, not successfully, but he did, including a lot of royalty, and became very famous for it. Loads of advice. So his advice, first of all, he or his thoughts on what causes sweating sickness. He does say infection. Okay, good job.

Yeah. He also says maybe an impurity of the spirit. Ah, see, you lost me. Probably brought on by overeating. I don't know. Especially meat or bad meat. Or rotten fruit. Either meat or bad meat or rotten fruit. Which I mean, to be fair, like it is a bad idea

to eat bad meat or rotten fruit. Yeah, he was kind of, he was kind of, no pun intended picking some low hanging fruit there. I mean, you probably shouldn't eat bad meat. Don't eat bad meat. Don't eat bad meat. It's got bad right in the name all time. Do people maybe just don't eat me because we're not very good at telling if it's bad or not. Yeah, we don't know. So you just don't eat me.

But he thought it would cause an excess of humors. So, so don't don't eat those things. You could also get it maybe from evil mist. Possibly evil mist. Maybe damp ground Yeah, well the evil mist rise that within damp ground so the sort of Obviously obviously or maybe just the climate in England bad break Just sorry. That's why only that's why it was mainly contained in England. It's just the climate there the Damp so how can I how can I avoid getting it? So you can avoid it by eating fresh fruit

and lots of fish. Especially there was a lot he talked about catching fish about like going and getting fish and eating them. That was important. Just like fishing. Where for you? Where clean, sweet smelling clothes. Get out in the fresh air. Sure. Exercise is important. So specifically exercises that might help you are hunting, Hawking. I guess like Hawksmanship. Falconry. Is that the same thing? Did I do that with Hawks? I would think, yeah.

That sounds terrible. They're just bad at it. They're terrible at it. You train them, they leave once, they never come back. No one, no. Hawking is terrible. So if you're not a fan of Hawking perhaps tennis That was his other record. I would go for tennis. It's so much easier to find rackets than spear hawks He also just has a lot of advice about how everybody is kind of

He thinks everybody's kind of weak now everybody's kind of a wimp and he just he kind of says like be a tough man And you won't get it like be a big burly. He does about how men today are all like women, which is pretty offensive all around for everybody. Yeah, everybody loses in that one. You could treat it. So if you, if you didn't avoid it, let's say you didn't wear sweet smelling clothes and you're not into Hawking or tennis, you can treat it by letting your body sweat it out. So just encourage the sweats. You're already gonna sweat, make a morse. And he recommended a few herbs for that,

Tanzi, Feverfue, or Warmwood. He also recommended that you get some gentle rubbing from whoever I guess. And does your rubbing? Pretty fast, probably just keep all these things on hand because again, pretty fast acting. A pretty fast acting disease. Maybe you can use some jars of these liner on the house.

Yeah, you probably don't have time to go pick these. If you don't already have a professional rubber, you should probably look into that right now. Fire rubber to hang around with you. Drink warm drinks that's encouraged the sweating. And it also advises that if you are caring for somebody with sweating sickness that you should pull their ears or nose if they try to fall asleep in order to keep them awake. Pushed through, yeah. Because you know, the dying.

Also, if they do make it 24 hours, then they're probably out of the woods. You're gonna feel lousy by the way for like another week or two, but you're probably not gonna die. Then at that point, he says you can put on clothes. I guess they've been naked the whole time. This whole time they've been naked. I'm gonna picture this and I'm pictureing my naked naked tennis. Are you sure?

I missed that. They've been hooking. Are you crazy? That's not a mouse. Crazy hot. It was good honey. I like that Hawking joke. Thanks. It's my best Hawking joke I have. I have so many put a hand a narrow down to one. That's dozens next book. A collection of Hawking jokes. But they can't go out for two days. So you can put on clothes, but you can't go out for two days. And for good measure, he attacks onto the end of this that if your disease, if your version, your strain of sweating sickness is caused by the supernatural, then nothing he says is going to be helpful. So sorry.

Excellent. After this, that's really the end of sweating sickness. So it reminds us of out in about a year, there was something in 1718 that happened in France that was called the Picardie sweat, which we now theorize maybe was the same kind of thing, but it was a little different. So that probably wasn't. Okay. So Sydney, what was it? Like what was actually causing this? So we're still not sure, but we had some ideas. We thought maybe it was some sort of illness that was spread by crowding and sanitation

probably because it first started during more time. We have theorized that maybe it was relapsing fever, which is a bacterial infection that's spread by ticks, but they probably should have had a rash or a tick bite like a like a black mark. Anyway, it didn't quite fit. Some people have thought about anthrax like a like a black mark. Anyway, it didn't quite fit. Some people have thought about anthrax like the inhale. But the most likely theory at this point,

we have is a antivirus, which is a virus that the most famous outbreak was in the United States back in the 90s. There was an outbreak in like the four corners area, the four states. It was almost called the four corners virus, but they thought they would kill tourism. So that's why it wasn't. Correct. Yeah, that's why it wasn't called that.

So it's hand-of-iris. But it's a little tricky because Hanta doesn't usually spread from human to human, and we think we pretty much did. But the theory to that, this is pretty interesting why this may have been antivirus because the symptoms are pretty similar. Is that, antivirus spread by, it was spread by mouse droppings, like especially if like you were in a house where the mice had been and they pooped

and you swept the floors and it like made the poop and dust and everything kind of go up in the air and you inhaled it and then you would get this antivirus which calls a bunch of respiratory, and then you would get this hint of virus, which calls a bunch of respiratory problems, and then you would die. They thought that in these big houses, like these big, rich, manner houses,

that these royalty would have lived in, there were a lot of servants who were sweeping a lot of floors, there was a lot of food sitting around, and probably a lot of mice. So that was one theory as to why maybe maybe it was the same thing. At this point that's our best guess. And then there was even a thought at some point like maybe we should go dig up some really really old corpses and try to test them for a while. No, you know what? Let's not have what we just don't. That's another option.

That seemed kind of silly because as for we just don't. That's another option. That seemed kind of silly because as for now, I don't think you need to, no matter how apprehensive you're feeling right now, I wouldn't worry too much about sweating sickness. I want to say a big thank you to the Maximum Fun Network for having us on. They've got a ton of great choices. You can go listen to MaximumFun.org, the Goose Down Lady, the Lady. I've been getting into more judge John Hodgman, I've always been a fan, but I've really been listening

to a lot of that lately. I just listened to this one called My Brother, My Brother and My Brother the first time. Hachi Machi. Oldest brother sounds pretty cute. Oh man. Hey, do you like solbones? Do you like...

I hope so, your list name was on with you. Clothing your shirt, clothing your, clothing your torso. Well, good news. We have a brand new, uh, solbons t-shirt available at maxfundstore.com. And, uh, please go check it out because it's super cool. Uh-huh. And it was designed by my sister, Taylor Smirl.

So please go buy one of those, uh, also follow Taylor. She's at Taylor underscore Smirl. I think there's an underscore in there I'm pretty sure. And check out some more of her art. She's a super talented art. Taylor smirl.tumbler.com and that's T-E-Y-L-O-R smirl smrl.tumbler.com to see some more of her work. She's crazy. How did it's a really fun shirt. It's kind of got like a tattoo Biker vibe But I think it's it's really sweet And you can get that again at maxfunstore.com if you already got one send us some pictures on Twitter or

We're at solbons on Twitter Send us those so we can retweet them because we'd love to see that There's more merch on there for all the Max Fun shows. Also, we're hitting the road in September said we're going to be headed to Portland Vancouver in Seattle. Now our Portland shows already sold out, but there still take it to be able for Vancouver in Seattle. You can get those at bit.ly-forthslash-van-nb-nb-am for the Vancouver Show, because we're going to be there with my brother, my brother, me, or you can get a bit.ly-forthslash-nb-nb-am-ciaddle. And tickets are like 20 bucks, I think, 22-25 bucks. And it's actually in the end of August, not September.

Sorry, dear, you're right, the end of August. But those are going to be really fun. If you're going to be out for packs, dear, you're right, the end of August. But those are gonna be really fun. If you're gonna be out for packs in Seattle, we're doing a show this Saturday night of packs. So go buy tickets for that, because we love to see you out there. And thanks to Tax Bearish, let us use our song Medicines. You can find them on Twitter at the Tax Bearish.

That's gonna do it for us until next Wednesday. We have another medical topic to delve into. I'm Justin McRoy. I'm Sydney McRoy. I always don't drill wholly in your head. Alright! Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture, Artistone, Listen or Support it.