Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Big Brother with Hannah Chaddha

Episode Date: April 7, 2023

This week, Scheana and her sister Cortney are joined by Big Brother's Hannah Chaddha to discuss all things reality TV! Hannah talks about where she was when news first broke out about #Scandoval and the irony of it all. Scheana opens up about how she has been emotionally and mentally affected by the betrayal of her ex "friend" and her struggles with seeing the good in people. Hannah explains the difference between being on a reality show like Big Brother vs Vanderpump Rules and what it was like being watched 24/7 in complete isolation. What was life like for Hannah after the show was over? Would she ever go on Big Brother again? Tune in to find out!  Follow us:@scheana @scheananigans        Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.   Go to www.factormeals.com/teamariana50 to get 50% off your first box   Watch an All New Season of Dr. Pimple Popper, Wednesdays at nine, eight central on TLC. Set your DVR   Produced by Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh, T, well, I think I'll be actually mixing and you'll be like the face, like jumping up and down. I'll play you whatever songs you want. Perfect. So I'm really excited about this episode today because one thing I wanted to do when this season of Vanderpump Rules started airing was to have fellow reality star friends who are also fans of the show come on shenanigans, talk about their life and their show while also commentating on Vanderpump Rules. So now that the Scandival, the TRO, and all of that has been discussed as much as possible on Shenanigans, I'm excited to get back to some regular scheduled content.

And today we've got my girl Hannah Chata from Big Brother. How are we doing? I'm doing so well. I'm happy to be here. How are you? I'm good. I love the hair. Thank you. It is so cute. My hair is like four different shades. It's embarrassing because I've got my black roots. I've got my brown.

I've got my red. I've got my blonde. But we're working with that now. Well, I love it. You've had the cutest hair since you were on Big Brother. I always loved that you had those two front pieces down. Yes. It was so inspiring.

That's like my thing. Yeah, I love it. So Hannah and I met at a movie premiere. I don't even know how many months ago. A couple months ago. Yeah. December, November, December. Okay.

Yeah. End of last year. And you showed me a photo that you took with me. Was this like season one or two? I mean, you were really young in this photo like teenager yeah I was 17 when I took that photo with you oh my gosh for reference I'm 22 now so it was five years ago and um for my 17th birthday I came out to LA with my best friend from home and I was like we have to go to pump we have to go to sir we have to go to tom tom well at the time you know we want they only own five percent of it you know lisa maybe needs to consider renaming it but it is 95 lisa vanderpump's okay restaurant schwartz and sandy's has a whole

other we did not go there no we will not be going there yes but to TomTom, ended up bumping into you and you were so, so kind. I was so shy. I was like, I think I called you Ms. Sheena. Oh my God. That's adorable. Excuse me, Ms. Sheena. Can I get a picture with you? Like I've been watching you since I was 13. That's crazy. That's when the show came out. Yeah. Yes. And I remember like being in middle school, quoting some of the things you guys were saying which i probably shouldn't have been doing i'd be like in the cafeteria and someone would you know say something make me mad and i'd be like i am the devil and don't you forget oh my god not a saucy quote i just picture you telling the lunch lady like i don't know what i did to you but

i'll take a pinot grigio like literally in high school or middle school yes no dead can I swear yeah okay yes that that would be me so what a full circle moment and then I went back up to you and I was like hi I've met you before you don't remember meeting me but now I'm Hannah Chata from Big Brother and not just Hannah Chata from Naperville, Illinois. Yeah. And I feel like we hit it off. Well, in that moment, I was like, hold on. I need to tell my sister right now because she is the biggest Big Brother fan. Yeah.

She knows everything about the show. So I was like, wait, I'm with Hannah. And she's like, oh my God, I love Hannah. You have to get her on the podcast. So here we are. Here we are. It's come to fruition. Yes.

We're getting into some shenanigans but it's so crazy because the show has been on for so long you know i've i started it when i was 26 ish but when there were people like your age who started watching it at such a young age and now we're legal to drink and i run into them at certain they're like oh my god i've been watching you since i was 12 do you want to take a shot and I'm like what this is crazy that yeah you know I mean kids were watching the show and you guys have grown up with us it's so crazy how many chapters of life we have been through on this show but I always love meeting fellow reality stars who watch the show because I feel like we have such different

experiences with our show and that's kind of what I want to get into is yes the difference of being on a show like Big Brother which is similar to like a summer house winter house where you have the cameras on you 24 7 but it's you know it's live but you don't even know what's airing while it's airing at least with our show know, it airs so many months later. We get the episode a few days ahead of time. Yours is so live. So other than that major difference, what do you think are some of the differences being on a show like Big Brother

compared to Vanderpump Rules? Well, I think the biggest difference is probably the fact that it's 16 strangers in one house. So good point. We know nothing about each other, whereas you guys have very much established this like family and you guys have grown up with each other and the viewers have grown up with you. Whereas with Big Brother, it's very much like a one and done situation. You watch us all day, every day for one summer. And then in most cases, you never really hear from us again unless people

come back and that's possible but still it's just very like I would describe Big Brother as a moment in time instead of like a longitudinal thing um but yeah I'd say other than that the biggest difference is just the fact that we have no idea what's being shown. We have no idea what's being filmed. We don't know how we're being perceived by America. And we have this thing called America's Favorite Player. And I remember we would like sit around the dinner table trying to guess who would win America's Favorite Player. And we were so off.

Yeah. We were kind of wrong. So that just kind of goes to show you like we are completely clueless and then people could be on the outside like i don't want to say overreacting to what's happening inside the house but they could be so totally furious by a comment that someone's made or a fight and we have no idea so by the time we come out of the house and we get our phones back, like all of that's subsided. It's just weird to not like be in the thick of the hype surrounding our show.

Whereas like that is like your job doesn't end when the camera is cut. Totally. Yeah. I see a lot of similarities there, though. Like what you're saying when you get your phone back and you're seeing things that someone might have said said about you that like didn't mean anything to you. But people got furious over reminds me of like your guys's interviews when it's like you're getting upset about things so many months later that you didn't know about in the present. Totally.

I can see the similarities there. Yeah. Like, did you watch your entire season when you got out of the house? Like every episode? Yes, I did. And I think I'm one of like three people from our cast that did that. Just because a lot of people find the show to be a little too traumatic for them to watch back and like relive the isolation because the isolation is so hard.

Like we did not see a single face outside of the 16 of us for 80 something days. Yeah. Wow. Yes. And then all of a sudden, like I wasn't even on social media before the show. So I got my phone back. I didn't remember how to get on, like how to get on my phone. I didn't remember how to type in the passcode.

So I had to be shown how to do that. We weren't allowed to sing inside the house. So for like months, I know music, no music. No, the voice yells at you if you sing. Is it copyright issues or what? It's a copyright issue. What if it's a song that you wrote yourself? We came. Yeah, we came up with like a whole Broadway album. Like we had a soundtrack because all of us have like musical theater or dance or singing backgrounds. So we were the exception. But there were just so many things that we had to relearn because of the isolation. And I think that's very triggering for

some people just watching that back. But with me, I felt like I didn't get answers as to why I was evicted or like sent home. So I just wanted to watch the season back to get those answers and to kind of close that chapter. And also like with our season, the six black contestants, we got together completely undetected, made it to the end. And in doing so, we guaranteed the show's first ever black winner. So I wanted to see like how that was shown. And yeah, it was really cool to celebrate. That was literally going to be my next question. As you mentioned, you know that your show is like a moment in time

and it was a moment in historical Big Brother time because you were the first all black alliance on the show ever. Yeah. That's amazing. And that will continue to stay an iconic season. Yeah. Everyone will remember that season.

Like till the end of Big Brother time. Like everyone's joking this current season is going to be the quarter quell. Like, I don't, you know, Hunger Games vibes, which is funny. Throwback to game night. I know, right? Yes. You guys have heard me talk about it before on this show on Instagram. I'm going to talk to you about it again because this spring,

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to do a murder mystery night. What made you come up with that idea? Okay, have you guys seen the movie Knives Out? Yes. Yes, and Glass Onion. Yes. So, like, I can't take full credit because I love those movies. Knives Out is one of my favorite movies of all time. So I rewatched it with my

family and I was like, wait a second, what if I recreated something like this and then just invited a ton of people that I know, friends of mine. And then it would also just be like a really fun, innovative way for people who would never normally be in the same room to be in the same room. Like it was so cool for me to see like you talking to my sister or like Dylan Minnette from Wallows talking to someone from The Bachelor. Just like, I don't know, relationships that wouldn't normally be formed. Yeah. And I'm someone, I'm a Taurus. I'm like you.

I like to be inclusive and I like to invite everyone and I want everyone to feel comfortable. So that was kind of the inspiration behind it. Combining my love for murder mysteries with my love for like bringing people together over food and alcohol. People were posted up by the bar and by the taco. Wait, Hannah, this gives me such a good idea have you seen the show perfect match on netflix yes i have well you know that shows like a bunch of different reality stars from all different types of shows coming together forming new relationships you know with your wide network of all of these different shows

what if you set up some sort of dating night like that and connected these people from these different shows who have never met and who knows you might make some perfect matches oh that's like such a concept uh-huh just like your producer cap right my wheels are turning that's actually a good idea it could be fun but how would i this is gonna sound so bad when there's no like manipulation or murder. How do I even go? We're going to think on that. Okay, okay. You'll give me ideas. But that actually does sound like a good idea. Yeah, I did realize at your game nights that I would be terrible at any of these type of shows, like traitors or anything like that. Because I feel like I would play an honest game. I feel bad lying to people.

I would try to find a way around the truth. The first guy from Amazing Race who I wanted to kick out and say that he was the killer because he took my chair and musical chairs. James' husband. Oh, Will. Will. Yeah. Yeah.

I was, I should have just stayed with my gut. I was like, you have killer vibes. You were so dominant and just took over that chair. And I was like, you have killer vibes. You were so dominant and just took over that chair. And I was like, fuck this guy. He's out. But then I had a soft spot for him. He was nice to me. And I was like, oh, and he's like, I think it's my husband. And I was like, oh, okay. And then I believed him and he was the killer. I was like, I'm terrible at this. I clearly have a terrible read on people as we've learned watching this season of Vanderpump Rules. I think you just like to see the best in people. I do. But that hasn't done me any favors in the last few months.

Yeah. Have you been following along the scandal and all of this? You know, what's so crazy is. OK, so let's see. The news broke on like a Friday, right? March 3rd. Oh, yeah. I remember exactly where I was because I was in New York. And literally 35 minutes before, I was talking to one of my good friends about the season. And I think one of the last things I said to her was like, and, you know, Ariana and Tom, I just like see them being together for the long haul. Like they they give me hope because they're so solid and level-headed and she was like yeah i don't really like if if they don't last i don't believe in love and i was like okay well time to go catch the subway like going down and then

while i was on the subway i got an alert from twitter and i was like no no like this is a lie this is obviously a rumor this is the exact same thing thing that Lex Tilly said on the podcast last week. Yeah. She said the same thing. Sorry to cut you off. No, you're fine. That she said literally a day or two before. I mean, not as, like, not 45 minutes before.

But she was like, if Tom and Ariana break up, like, I don't believe in love. Like, literally a day before. Crazy. Well, what was it like for you? Because you were with her when you found out? Yeah, I mean, for me, I felt like Ariana is obviously the most affected person by it. But me as not only her best friend, but their best friend. I'm next in line affected by this. But it's not not about me it is for me to support ariana so i need to just put all of my feelings and aside but that did a number on me

emotionally mentally physically haunting my dreams which turned into nightmares every night that is insane yeah i think he's a narcissist yeah i now rethink seeing the good in people and being like is this good or was this self-serving did this feed your ego did you do this because you're a good person out of the kindness of your heart did you do it because it made you look good? I've questioned so much. How could I not have seen all of this happening behind our back and in front of our face? And now I watch back my vlogs. I think back to BravoCon.

I think back to every Tom Sandoval on the Most Extra show where her and I are literally front row. And he's singing to me. He's singing to her. He's singing to me he's singing to her he's singing Ariana he sings to everyone you know that's what you do when you're a performer you make eye contact with the crowd yeah but then I'm like were you actually singing that song that you dedicated to Ariana before now to her I can never listen to electric love the same again that's

for damn sure that's so disturbing and I guess my question is you would think that two people who are doing that would start distancing themselves from your friend group and especially from Ariana but from the outside looking in just like being a fan of the show and following you guys on social media it seemed like she was just constantly around them i literally compare everything to how shocking this was now like this is a 10 like harry styles and m rada last week i'm like this is only like a seven compared to what solid like 1.5 i saw that and i was like okay it keeps going it was a little shocking to me but not nearly as shocking as this. But everything now in comparison, I don't think anything will blindside me. Yeah.

As much as this blindsided all of us. Oh, yeah. I mean, gobsmacked. Like, she was obviously in New York that Wednesday night that everything, like, happened. Everyone found out. And I, like, am down in Orange County getting the call. And I'm like, I'm not believing my ears. Like, crazy.

Crazy as, like, 36 hours that hours that like no one knew too i thought it was going to be a lot longer until it came out so oh no ariana was like we're not keeping the secret who am i protecting no one yeah say it all well is she doing okay yeah all things considered yes she's thriving she really is she's doing amazing i obviously, this has been very hard. You know, she misses her partner, the person that she thought he was, and they still share a house together. Yeah. So she can't fully move on while he's still coming in and out of her house. A lot of people have been asking how that dynamic is he has now agreed to communicate with like a third party letting either his assistant or one of her best friends know when he needs to

come into the house or if he needs to stay in the guest room if he needs to come get some stuff or whatever so he's trying to be more respectful of her i think but in the beginning it was like this is my house i pay half the mortgage i'm gonna come and go as i please blah blah blah and it's just like bro you just blew up her world the least you can do is give her some fucking space yeah it's called a hotel yeah like i don't see any reason why you can't go sleep on like tom schwartz's couch right yeah because joe is there oh oh okay well were they double dating yes they were they double dating? Yes. They were totally double dating.

They double dated in Big Bear at the end of January. So Schwartz is known for a minute. Mm-hmm. Okay. And Schwartz is one of your closest friends as well. Yeah, he was in my wedding. Yeah. They all were.

They all were. All three of them were in my wedding. What am I going to do with these photos? Yeah. I have a Sharpie in my purse. Oh, that's so funny. I should just put Lala's face on Raquel. At least you're not like pulling these ones up on canvas.

No, no. I just did the individuals. Me and Summer. Me and brock the rainbow yeah but yeah so as someone who has watched the show from the beginning I mean for the fans this just has to be insane as well what like I said literally like you may think I'm exaggerating because it sounds better but 35 minutes before I was like the universe has such an interesting way of working itself out that was the last thing I said to my friend like you know if Ariana and Tom don't make it like yeah right how did it go

after you get off the subway the news drops and you call that friend no no I was still on the subway I was still yeah it was like 35 minutes later you know I was I was walking um I think I was in Harlem taking the subway down to East Village and I was on the subway and got the news but I couldn't call her because I didn't have signal right you're on the subway yeah so I was like wait what do I do with this but I think when the news first dropped didn't it just say like Ariana and Tom split over a fair I don't think the news first dropped didn't it just say like ariana and tom split over a fair i don't think the very first headline mentioned raquel yeah a lot of the details were like trickling out yes so i was like again i was like no no there's there's no way nothing can shake this couple

this has to be false and then i think I kept scrolling but I definitely was like this is the last thing I expected to see and then when I saw that there was a seven month affair and Raquel was the other woman I was like what whoa and then I remember or I remembered that you were on watch what happens live and then I think I was reading and it said like this came out on Wednesday and then I was like wait was Sheena with Raquel and I things were gears were turning yeah gears were turning wheels were turning my mind was moving a mile a minute and I was like if this is true I really hope Sheena's okay like I did actually think about you just because of the shock of that all. I can only imagine like,

yes, Ariana's whole world was blown up. But like you said, all of those people were in your wedding. All of them are nuts. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. So I just can't even like, I really do sympathize with you.

Thank you. Yeah. Cause the betrayal in that. Yeah. I've never experienced anything like this. This level of betrayal. I mean, just betrayal in general. I've never had anything even remotely close to this.

Has anything like this ever happened with the Big Brother cast? I know when you meet in this house, a lot of people fall in love, start dating. Has there ever been anything where, you know, there's like a couple, but then someone else from the season swoops in or? That happened on Big Brother season 21. And I feel like it probably, because after you get evicted, you go to Jury House, which is like this mansion in Calabasas, basically hell on earth.

No, I'm just kidding. It's a really nice spot that they put us up there. Yeah, I didn't want to be there. I was like, put me back in the game. I, I'm just kidding. It's a really nice spot that they put us up there. You wanted to be there. Yeah, I didn't want to be there. I was like, put me back in the game. I swear I can still win. But they essentially like put us in this really expensive purgatory and we just wait there

and they bring us back for finale night and we ask like the final two questions and then we cast our votes and we wrap up the season. But I feel like things probably have gone down in jury like even if someone is in a showmance if you're in jury with the cameras not being there like a lot of people won't hook up in the house because of the 24 7 cameras and the live feeds and you just don't want to i mean some people do and that's their decision i respect it but a lot of people are like, no, my family's watching. Right. My my future employers could be

watching right now. So some people will wait until the jury house, but some people will probably hook up with their non showman's partners. But yeah, in season 21, do you remember Kat and Nick? Yeah, they were in like their own showmances and then in the jury house they started hooking up even though nick was dating someone else from the cast and then they ended up like walking out of the season together whoa yeah but again not years of a friendship and all that of course it's different but it's still a moment in that type of betrayal for the person who didn't know what's going on in the jury house i feel like yes there's not as much as many relationships on big brother but i

feel like there's just so many more like friendship betrayals like i think of your season and like the betrayals like because you each like i feel like you should talk about your alliance a little bit more and how you each were paired up with someone outside of the alliance the betrayals you had to go through to oh yeah tell was really like intricate and so interesting and yeah okay so shout out to tiffany um tiffany is one of you've met tiffany before she was uh at the first game night oh yeah yeah yeah she was running around with her little like fedora yeah um but she is the creator of the master plan of the cookout so in that master plan each of us was partnered with someone outside of the alliance. And they were like our plus one.

So if we were put on the block, then the cookout would have the numbers to send the other person home. And then we could really like be in their ear. We were in possession of all the information in the house at any given moment. And that's the first time in big brother history that an alliance has been that powerful and we were completely secretive like i don't think they realized that the cookout was working together until they were all kicked out and went to jury and they were like wait a second and then we were like yeah we're all in the same room together. Right.

We had a rule. So if you saw two to three black people in the same room, you did not go in that room. And that's kind of how we were able to avoid detection. And then a lot of us did not like each other. Like we we really did fight like brothers and sisters. But we fought like we were just never consistently on the same page. There were screaming matches. There were moments where I thought the cookout would be exposed because people were like two people would be in the storage room, Big D and Tiffany cussing each other out. So I think that

helped conceal us as well. But yes, going back to the strategy that Tiffany came up with we were partnered with someone outside of the cookout and you really do end up getting attached to your castmates because you're living this traumatic unique experience that no one else in America can relate to like no one else is being watched 24 7 and also in complete isolation. And then there's also a lot of downtime. Yes, we are playing a game and competing against each other, but we're together 24-7 for 80-something days. So you really get to know a lot about a person. And I think the whole goal of Big Brother is to peel back people's layers. It's almost like to expose who you are at your core in your most raw form. And that's why I love watching the show. So I would, I almost describe it as like, I fell in love with the people outside of our alliance on a friendship level, of course. And

it was really, really, really painful for me to know that they put so much trust in me and that game does feel like it's life or death when you're in that environment so to know that like people were essentially trusting me with their game lives but I could never like fully reciprocate that because they had to go at some point and I knew that but they didn't know that it almost felt like I was sending a dog to the farm up north it was it had me distraught and while I was in the house I almost had to swallow that and bury that because I needed to remain focused on the game um so I kind of like dissociated from all of my emotions whereas other people were I think processing each eviction to like a healthy degree they would let themselves cry they would

grieve that person and then they would move on I was so stone cold the whole season and I actually didn't cry for like a year and a half and big brother was what broke me because I'm not a crier at all yes and um my person outside of the cookout his name is derrick x you met him yeah um he's great but uh when we had to send him home i was kind of advocating for him to go home i was like listen it's his time he's the big he's the biggest obstacle like i know he's my person and i probably should be pushing for him to stay but he he's got to go. And I will help make that happen for the sake of our alliance.

And then he like closed the door and I just remember breaking down. But then by like hour three, I was like, anyway, and we're back. And we're back to $750,000, where are you? And then I was sent home and I felt like I was being sentenced to my death as soon as the door closed in my face. And then I got to jury house and I was like, wait a second.

I dehumanized these people and I took away their their free will because we were kind of like the puppet masters controlling pieces on a chessboard. And we took away their hope. We would let them fight for their lives, knowing what the outcome would be. And I just, I felt so, so, so horrible. Even to this day, like regardless of the fact that we made history, and I'm so proud that I can say that about the game that I played, I still feel bad about it

because that's not something that I think any of us want to be capable of doing. So it was really, really rough for me. And I've had so many conversations with each of them, Brittany, Derek X, Claire, Alyssa Sarabat, the people who we kicked out. Yeah. And they've assured me that they're okay.

And they really did take it like champs and they were like if we could be sacrificial lambs for you guys to crown the first black winner then so be it yeah um but that still doesn't like take away from the guilt that i have i was gonna say i don't see any of them being upset with you i think for the most part it seems like most people come out of the game like come out of the game and know that anything that happened in the game was for game purposes yeah it seems like it's so easy to take things personal while you're in the house but i feel like for the most part everyone lets that aside when you're all outside right like yeah yeah well at least for our season i know in other seasons um people will get upset over the most minor things like you took my red shirt i'm never

talking to you again or the muffin gate this season yes we do she know about muffin gate no probably not so there's this girl named jasmine from taylor season and she made muffins and this guy named turner stole her muffin and like an actual muffin yeah yeah well they had just been done being half knots as well so they weren't able to like eat for a week so apparently these muffins were like very very don't take the muffin yeah she went around the entire house like accusing everyone and everyone denied it and then he went to like the diary room and like admitted oh he was like i have the muffin it's right here and he ate it and i think he went back for seconds and she was like how dare he and then they were like sworn enemies for the rest of the season don't take

that and they had to get like what was it a festy besty besty besty where you were like kind of competing for a few weeks of the season with your festy besty like you guys were safe together you compete together like everything and they ended up being festy besties wow yeah but they they hated each other although now I think they're good. They have matching tattoos. Yeah. They got muffin tattoos. That's cute.

But I think that they were able to like put it aside. I bet they just probably didn't co-inhabitate. What is it when you live together? Co-exist. Co-habitate. Yeah. Well together. Yeah.

Outside of the house. It's like we can get matching muffin tattoos. Who cares? I want to know what a show like this where you are deceiving people and, you know, obviously you guys had your alliance. And so there was a bigger picture there for you. But I want to know what something like that does to your mental health. And also, does the show offer therapy during in the jury house after?

I want to know a little bit about that as much as you can say. Yeah, for sure. Well, my contract's about to expire, so I'll sing like a canary. Okay. So in terms of mental health, I think I said this before, like the isolation is really not just the guilt from the game, but like the isolation of it all was what really got to me in that house. I forgot what my parents sounded like. I forgot what my sister sounded like. Basic facts about my life. I forgot. Like someone would ask me, I think at one point someone asked me like what school I went to and I forgot.

Or someone asked me like what my middle name was and I forgot. And I forgot or someone asked me like what my middle name was. And I forgot because in that house, you really do have to disassociate and become this character in order to keep your your eye on the prize. And then I went to the jury house and I almost had to like relearn who Hannah was. It was the trippiest, most out of body experience ever because I did not feel like I was in my body for a while after getting evicted. And then on top of that, we get our phones back and all of a sudden you have millions of people who tuned in three days a week, hundreds of thousands of people who logged in and watched us sleep, eat, bake muffins,

argue, love on each other, smile, cry. It was so strange because I had just turned 21 doing the show. And I think since they implemented the age cutoff, I still am the youngest contestant to ever play. So I know a little feather in my cap. But at that time, you're still very much learning who you are and you're forming your identity and you're coming into your own.

Yet I was having all these people like weighing in on who I am, who I'm not, who I should be, who I shouldn't be, giving me their opinions about everything. And the way that they, they meaning like the fan base of the show, interact with us. And you probably feel this way too because your show's been on for so long and we've grown up with you. But the way that they interact with us, it's almost like they feel as though they know us better than we know ourselves and we know each other. And just like coming to terms with that new reality was hard for me.

And like no longer having any privacy because my life was filmed 24 seven for three months. So, yeah, mental health hard. And I'm still recovering. I think all Big Brother players, even like decades later, are still in recovery. I think all Big Brother players, even like decades later, are still in recovery. But they do try to make resources available to you during the season. Like they have multiple psychologists that you can talk to if you need to. You can take your medication while you're in the house.

In Jury House, I was definitely seen by the psychologist many times because I was not doing well. So, yeah, they do what they can. But at the end of the day, like their priority is making a show and we're kind of tools in that. And I was going to ask you, because you guys are so valuable to the show, whereas we're more so recycled. I kind of felt like I was a tool or like a piece in the bigger picture. Do you ever feel that way or no? Like, am I just a piece of it or? No, like, are they just like using you and your character as Sheena? Oh, I mean, yeah, I totally feel that way.

I've had so many bad edits, quote unquote, on the show where we're not seeing the bigger picture and the full story. But I understand that this is what I signed up for. And this is part of the game. You know, they can't show an hour long conversation. It's going to be edited down to minutes. And although I could have said a hundred things in that conversation that made me look good,

they picked the one thing that makes me look bad. But I understand that I signed up to do a show for entertainment. However, I also want to be on a show where I can tell my story to help people. And so I do appreciate when they put those moments in as well, because it's not just for entertainment. We're not doing that solely to entertain. You know, there's so much more to it. And there's so many more reasons why I do this. But I think anyone on reality TV can

feel that way, whether it's every season or one season or one episode, definitely. What's the biggest misconception you feel like people have about you from watching the show? I think people think that I'm just this annoying, make it all about me, inserting myself when I shouldn't type of person. When in reality, I just want everyone to get along

I just want to see the good in everyone you know yes I want everyone to like me because I don't ever want to do anything to make someone not like me yeah I don't ever want to be an unlikable person and I think me being a people pleaser and me trying to put off that image doesn't always work out. Sometimes it backfires. And I can say something in a conversation where I do it on this podcast a lot. And I've had so many one star reviews where they're like, stop cutting off your guests. Stop, you know, making it about you. I'm like, it's called a conversation.

I'm sharing an experience with someone. If I'm interviewing someone who says something that i can relate to why should i just be quiet and be like next question you know i'm not barbara walters yeah it's shenanigans it's not that serious so that can be frustrating too because i'm like i'm never trying to i'm not a narcissist there's some on our show not me just you I'm not there's a hand well because your fighter you know currently we know who the narcissist is there's been others in the past on our show so I am not one of them I'm not someone who's ever really trying to circle back and make it about me I feel like like younger in my life, you know, I wanted to be the star.

I wanted to be the one on stage in every school play. And I think when I was younger, I did make things about me. I was very competitive. And I think this show has completely taken that from me. And I feel like I need to take a back seat more. And I really try my hardest to not make things about me. I will go out of my way or specifically not say my feelings because now I'm so just in my head about people thinking that, that especially with

this whole situation with Tom and Raquel, I'm like, it's not about me. It's only about Ariana. But I'm like, I'm really, really affected by this too. But I need someone to ask me how I am, because if I just talk about it, then I'm making it about me when it's just, it's so frustrating because now I'm so hyper sensitive to that and hyper aware. And I don't ever try to do that on purpose. I never try to cut someone off. I'm always just trying to relate and share an experience with someone because that's what life is, you know? that's the whole point of a conversation and us like being human beings in this world and in the short time that I've known you but also from watching you for the last like 10 years you've just always had such a big heart and I think I can

connect with you on me also wanting the people in my life to get along. I don't like conflict. Not because I'm scared of conflict, but because I feel like there can always be a resolution. And if I can be the mediator, then that's a role I'm more than willing to step into. And I feel like you're the complete opposite of Sandoval. Whereas like where someone like him will do something to like to get that external validation um because he's an image conscious person he wants to you know put his best foot forward

whereas like you will do something and it could be the same action but it's more about how like you make the other person feel so i i feel like you're way more of an empath and maybe to viewers that comes across as one in the same, like, oh, she's making it all about herself. Yeah. Oh, she's being surface level here. But really, you don't want to offend people and you don't want to hurt people's feelings.

And I think this is why I'm such a gift giver as well is because not for how it makes me look. It's for how that person feels when they open it. That's my favorite part about Christmas. Don't get me any present. I say this every year. I don't need anything. Anything I need, I will get for myself.

My sister will get me some cute like clothing and shoes. Yeah, shout out to Courtney. All about that. Yeah. But when it comes down to it, I'm like, I just get so much joy out of watching other people be happy and i always felt that way about sandoval i always thought he was such a generous person because he genuinely enjoyed seeing how happy he made other people because

that's how i am but i'm like but i'm not a narcissist yeah i don't do things self-serving i don't do it to get a pat on the back and a brownie point and a sticker, you know? No, I do it because I genuinely like making other people happy. That makes me happy because I just, I always wanna help people and I always want the best for them. And now I just, I just question everyone. This is like really done a number on me.

Oh, I, again, I can only imagine to experience that magnitude of betrayal and on top of that, having the whole world, or at least the whole country, because I'm not sure if Vanderpump Rules airs in different countries. Oh, all over the world.

Oh, okay. So the whole world. The entire world. Have an opinion and weigh in on what's going on. And again, probably try to tell you how you should be supporting Ariana, how you shouldn't be, how much you should take the time to make sure that you, Sheena, are doing okay. And how much you should, I guess, put those feelings on the back burner. But whenever friendships dissolve, like especially if they dissolve from betrayal or someone like did something just so earth shattering,

like that is hard. And you experienced that three times over. So I just hope that you're taking care of yourself and your feelings are also validated because you're also going through multiple breakups simultaneously. So as much as I know you're trying to be a good friend to support your best friend,

like I just, I hope that you're healing as well. Thank you. Yeah. I just wanted to add, I'm going to be pissed if when everyone's watching these wedding episodes and still tries to make it seem like Sheena only cares about herself. She's making everything about herself.

Everyone should have been there in Mexico for your wedding. Right? And I don't- It's the one time I got to make it about me. I don't know if this part has aired yet when this part comes out, but like even Lala not going to all of your wedding right and i don't one time i gotta make it about me i don't know if this part has aired yet when this part comes out but like even lala not going to all of your wedding events like as if she's yeah that'll be this week for this episode your wedding it's like yes this week is all about sheena because it's sheena's wedding and you guys all flew to mexico for sheena's four day wedding activities so there will be no coming for her this week for that. Why is Katie at the hotel when she's not coming to the wedding?

Like at that point, was she just trying to make it a point and be super stubborn by still staying at that hotel? Like, did she did she do that to piss you off or was there more to the story? She had a non-refundable room, which I offered her a thousand dollars for on the spot. So I fixed that problem. She still wanted to go because she wanted her own vacation with her friend, Christina Kelly, whose birthday was also that week. Yeah. That part I understand. Go to a different resort. Yeah. You know, I'm sure they can clear another resort to film your Mexican vacation. Like you don't want to come to this family-friendly resort that's going to be all about my wedding.

But it was very stubborn. To me, as an outsider, insider outsider, it looks like she wanted to keep a close eye on her ex-husband. That's what I think. You know? They had an anniversary dinner in Mexico to celebrate selling their house, but also celebrate their wedding anniversary. But they're going through a divorce. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. No. How do the people in your friend group do things? Because this is not how my friends and I roll. Huh? That part was so funny, too, because like the waiter's like, what are you guys celebrating? Well, our divorce, but we sold our house and you know i mean i i would hope that when people get divorced and still share dogs and friends and a fucking job you know i hope that yes it can be as amicable

as possible and you can make it work just don't make it work on my wedding at the resort. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars to be at. Yeah. Well, do you think it was a pride thing? Like she didn't want to back down or she didn't want to have to accept the money that you were offering her? Or was she simply being stubborn? And I think kind of both. I honestly just wished that we could have had a conversation and gotten to a good place before that. Yeah. Because up until a few days before, I still had seats at the table. I was still willing to just get past this. Like her and I are now past it. We filmed the reunion. We've had several conversations. We're past it. I wish we got past it in August. I wish it didn't take this long and a whole scandal in between to get us to this place.

I'm glad we're here now. I'm so thankful. This is exactly where I've wanted to be with her. OK, but at the time it was just like, come on. It was so frustrating. come on it was so frustrating and I was also so deep in Raquel and just in everything she told me from every scene she filmed with her from how Katie's mom supposedly treated her and all of this I'm only getting one side of the story and now I watch it all back and I feel so so differently I wish Katie and I could have had that conversation then but that wasn't the plan that wasn't how it worked out and you'll see the rest of the season play out but I'm just glad that now for Ariana we've been able to come together. We're in group chats together. We're DJing at Emo Night tonight together.

So if you guys are listening to this now, we were talking after the reunion, and Ariana and I said we were doing a DJ set at Emo Night, and Katie's ears perked up, and she was like, wait, what? Like, she loves Emo Night. That just surprised me. I said, do you want to do it with us? And she said, yeah. Like, wait, what? Like, she loves Emo Night. That just didn't surprise me. I said, do you want to do it with us?

Aw. And she said, yeah. So the three of us tonight, April 7th, Avalon, Emo Night. Let's go. Okay. Well, I will be there in spirit. Yes. I love that.

Yeah. But thank you so much for being here. And this has been so awesome. I've been wanting to do this since the night I met that. Yeah. But thank you so much for being here. And this has been so awesome. I've been wanting to do this since the night I met you. And I'm glad we were finally able to get into some shenanigans. Please tell everyone where they can find you. You can find me on Instagram at Hannah Chata. That's just my first and last name.

On TikTok at Hannah underscore Chata. And on Twitter at Hannah underscore Chata and on Twitter at Hannah underscore Chata as well. BB25 is about to start in a couple months. So I'm going to be live tweeting all my thoughts. Would you ever go back on the show? Absolutely, Sheena. As traumatizing as it was, hands down the best experience of my life. I live for gaming. I live for gaming.

I live for strategy. I'm like, I've built a family from that show. Like The Cookout, we talk all day, every day. I have a podcast with Tiffany and Big D called The Royalty on YouTube. Check it out. But yeah, I wouldn't change my experience for the world. And it's also taught me a lot about who I am as a person and who I want to be.

So yeah, I love that. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for getting into some shenanigans with us. Thank you for having me. I'm honored. Thank you guys for listening. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans with Sheena Shea.

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