Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Coupleish with Iskra & Philip

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

In this episode, Scheana and Brock sit down with Iskra Lawrence and Philip Payne, hosts of the Coupleish Podcast. After an honest check in on where everyone's at emotionally, physically and spiritually, they move on to talk all about parenting and relationships. What are their biggest fears as parents? What are some topics they disagree on the most? What to do if your child is in the "hitting" stage? What's next for Iskra and Philip? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans    Shop The It's All happening Collection    Produced by Dear Media    Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold Because we're good as gold Because we're good as gold We are here doing our pod swap with the two hosts of the Couplish podcast. And I've got my hubby here co-hosting. What's up, honey? How you doing? I'm doing good. So I'm so excited because it's been a little over a month since we did your podcast

and there have been so many things that we wanted to talk to you guys about. So welcome to Shenanigans, Iskra and Phillip Payne. Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me. So happy to be here. I feel like when you came on our pod, just getting to know you guys, it was like immediate like, oh, I want to be friends with them. Can we hang out again? It was just immediate like you guys have the best energy. I feel like I learned a lot from you guys. It was like immediate, like, oh, I want to be friends with them. Can we hang out again? Yeah.

It was just immediate. Like, you guys have the best energy. I feel like I learned a lot from you both. So we're excited to delve back in today. Yeah, well, same. I felt like I learned

some stuff on your podcast as well. Y'all were yourselves on our podcast. Yeah. The most vulnerable, open book guest. Gotten a little tip. They got a little tip.

When I listened back to it, I was just like, Sheena, shut up. Hey, God. When I listened back to it, I was just like, Sheena, shut up. Hey honey. Shut up. Shall we just check in with everybody real quick? We're going to. We're going to check in. Physically, spiritually, emotionally. How y'all doing? Oh, I love

this. It's being flipped on us. Oh, put me on the spot. So lately I have been feeling physically great because I'm finally getting back into my like workout flow. And weirdly, we nearly missed the flight gang here because I said, Philip, I'm going to go do some squats. Philip was like, right now?

We're about to leave in 30 minutes. I was like, I don't care. I'm in this mental space of like, I have to get it in. Even if it's just like some squats, whatever it is. And I did obviously put some weight behind it, but I've've just been like fit the 15 minutes in where you can yeah and i felt really empowered doing that the best workout is the worst workout right is the one you didn't do yeah i've had a lot of bad ones lately but at least you did something and then you take that motivation and that consistency and it compiles and compiles

until you build accountability which is a tough one to get to because it's a tough hill to walk up right and someone has helped me break that down because i was feeling overwhelmed i was feeling unproductive i was feeling like i didn't have enough hours in the day and someone said instead of thinking i have to work out and it'd be this anonymous thing i to. Put it in the minutes. I literally just be like, 15 minutes to move. 15 minutes to tidy up the playroom. 15 minutes. And when you kind of see the minutes and then you look at it throughout the day,

you're like, oh, I can fit 15 minutes to work out in. Totally. But sometimes when you're in your day and you're like, oh, I've got to work out, it feels like this whole big thing. That was yesterday for me. We had a phone call at the same time that I was like, no, that's my workout time. And then I didn't work out because then I had the phone call and then Summer wanted this.

And then we're in the sandbox. And then I didn't do it. Crazy that, right? We literally give everybody else all our time and energy. But when it comes to yourself, you're the last person on. And you should be the first person. Take care of yourself first because then you can take care of everybody else. But you got to water your garden.

I know, I don't do that. It's so hard for moms though. Yeah. Because we have this mom guilt too. 100%. I feel awful if I know that my child's awake and I could be doing something with them and then I go off and work out.

And I have to unlearn that. It's like, no, no, no. I need to be healthy. I need to be active to you know be good for him definitely and i think with with kids it's like they also need that time away from you so maybe you can remind yourself of that when you get when you want to do it because you're giving them a time for them to go on their independent little trip around the room and work on their independence because they need that as well is that what you tell yourself honey every time i

leave that house i'll chuck the car in reverse i'm like go to the gym i'm like someone would be perfect she's gonna be just working on herself 18 month old independent woman she is she really is though i know it sounds like listen like i feel like that's the one thing as parents we have now being parents we have the best position to do it because we have the references we have the information and we have the best position to do it because we have the references we have the information we have the data available on the like hey just remind yourself this maybe you shouldn't do this maybe you should do this and yeah we've been lucky we've been very lucky what about you guys what is cracking what's new yeah so okay now your podcast is launched we only went through one of the chickens then stop interrupting interrupting. Yeah, that's on me.

Emotional, I will say, I just launched my hair care yesterday with Salt Hair. We also went viral this week. Oh, my God. Congrats. We've had some, like, smallish viral moments, but we went, like, viral to the point of this one TikToker who's so sweet. Her name's Naya. We flew her out this week just to thank her. She's so sweet.

But it was, like, 3 million views on TikTok, but. But there was like 160,000 people saved the video. And she was essentially just talking about how much she loves our brand. So that's like 160,000 people saved the video because they wanted to try and like find our brand. Yeah. So you can imagine the sales were just like, it was wild. Okay. So for the listeners who don't know what Salterra is, please tell everyone. So it's my body care brand.

And I really struggled in postpartum to feel myself. It was a dark time. I did not shower. I was not looking after myself. I kept telling myself, oh, you're such a mess. And I said to Philip, I need to get the motivation to just shower, to just get ready, put on some clothes, and just find myself again. And I was like, but I want to get excited when I go in the shower. There's really exciting makeup brands, skincare brands,

but there was nothing in the body space. If you walk down in your grocery store aisle, it's the same body wash as you've seen forever. Yeah, nothing excites me. Nothing exciting. You know what? Dove doesn't get you going. The cucumber or something? There you go. Lavender everything.

So yeah, I kind of envisioned that there was this space in the body care world. And I got connected with the right person to basically make it happen. And he has this ton of experience in the industry building beauty brands. And we got together and we got this idea that it would be exotic botanicals. We would kind of actually lean into fragrance at a time where everyone was like scared because everyone's been fear-mongered by clean brands we have clean ingredients but we've really leaned into fragrance and having a sensorial experience and basically bringing skin care into body care so having

niacinamide hyaluronic acid all of these ingredients we use on our face, we're not using on our body. So we decided to like input that into our body care products. And people are loving it. It's in aluminium bottles. It looks beautiful. I love that. Aluminium. Aluminium.

Yeah. Brock is so Americanized now that he says aluminum. Don't say it. I kept my mouth shut just then because I don't know what would come out. I don't know. So I think it's okay. But then she looks at me. I'm like, oh, that was wrong. Yeah. He's like, can you pass me the aluminum? And I was like, what would come out. I don't know. So I think it's okay. But then she looks at me. I'm like, oh, that was wrong.

Yeah. He's like, can you pass me the aluminum? And I was like, oh my God. He said it the American way. It's probably, you know, the wedding and just, he just was like, oh, I'm fully fledged. To be honest, I think it's exactly that. Like the don't care mentality is really killing me.

It's really, cause I'm like, whatever. Like it is. I got to pay attention, go back to the book, study a bit more and get back on top of my stuff yeah that's awesome so yeah back to the body care yeah yeah so it's been really really wonderful that's amazing and you know what's so great about creating a great product is that to for for somebody to do that now and to have that viral opportunity it's there for people right especially if you do something that you really believe in or something that you love to do that now and to have that viral opportunity, it's there for people, right? Especially if you do something that you really believe in or something that you love to do, that's a great way for it to kind of be like, well, actually there is a chance and it's through TikTok.

Do you know what they're doing now in Asia? Tell me. They are making Amazon now, but they've done it front to back. So Amazon obviously has their great distribution system and then you pay for creators and you sell your Amazon products. TikTok already has the following. So now they're going to go into the distribution system. And then you get paid for creators and you sell your Amazon products. TikTok already has the following. So now they're going to go into the distribution aspect. So now they can fulfill orders through brands. Oh, wow. Yeah, heads up.

So stay on TikTok, everybody. I mean, that does scare me a little bit. Not for my own brand, but just for the US. Because when China figure out, they're just going to cut the middleman out and there are so many brands that I think people don't realize are just imports

from China they're relabeled and they're resold in the US and that's why those Shein's have come in and everyone's like how is it three bucks

for a top and it's like well actually what used to happen was there'd be someone in the US who had a brand that bought the $3 top

in and paid the import and then basically added their probably 50% margin on top and then resold it to you. On a discount. Yeah. No, it's definitely wild to see that too. Yeah. I'm interested, but it's great.

Back to our check-in. It's great. Back to our check-in. So emotionally, I'm excited and just like filled with gratitude. And like I knew that it was great and a great product. But like the reviews are flooding in and things that, you know, people are really respecting the product regardless of me. And that's why it's not called, you know, Iskra's body care line. I don't know. I was just like I need it to outlive me. I'm pretty exhausted with social media.

I'm sure you feel the same way sometimes. live me i'm pretty exhausted with social media i'm sure you feel the same way sometimes so it's like great having something that hopefully will live longer than my social media career i love that and then what we got now spiritually still it's still slacking philip's been much better we've been we've been doing our nightly prayer and we've been like connecting at dinner and but we have not found a church in austin yet we've asked we've asked a few people to help us navigate that yeah we gotta get better at that yeah yeah okay there's so much going on yeah i feel like it's hard to tackle everything right totally well it seems like you're doing a great job and congrats with everything with salt right

that's so exciting yeah all right philip. All right, Phillip. Let's check in. Where are we at spiritually first? Are we? Whatever you want to do. It's your order, buddy. This is your check-in. This is your check-in. That's true. I remember y'all's check-in.

Oh, I checked in. I just brought the wife and shit. We got it. Spiritually, I feel in a place of gratitude. I know that right now, career-wise, I feel like I wish I was like way more, you know, doing what I, you know, on a, this is what I would say, because, because my career right now is, is fulfilling me spiritually because I get to pour into young individuals who don't

know how to do some of the things that I've been able to do. And every time I leave those conversations and every time I leave, I leave them, I feel like, man, this is what I'm meant to be doing. Yeah. You know, but at the same time, I'm like, yo, I want to reach more people. And like, how do I reach more people? And like, I'm still trying to figure out this content creation thing. And like, how do I get better at it? And how do, you know, those things are like, but also just trying to stay in a place of like, you know, look where you're at. Like, you're healthy. The people around you are healthy.

Like, you know, you are fulfilled and you're doing what you love for a living. Chill, brother. Chill, bro. I feel like we always need to have that build. And instead of reminding yourself of like, okay, let's be present real quick and look around. I myself, I'm a big

one on that one. I'm doing that every day. I still am doing it. So hopefully, as I keep practicing, teaching myself how to be more present, then that will come through for that one. Emotionally, I feel a lot more connected to to you know iskra my my lady i love her yeah i feel i feel good about like emotionally i'm like man this is my partner i really really love her a lot we've been having some fun we've

been having a really good time we've been really enjoying doing our podcast we've been you know enjoying seeing each other's wins he went off to new york one of his rappers piff marty yeah piff marty i don't know if you've heard of him yeah but he was essentially homeless pre-pandemic yeah and just started like rapping but he would use the comments from what people would ask him to rap about from tiktok yeah so people, like, can you talk about, like, men crying? And so he would create these whole raps about men crying and film the music videos on his phone and, like, obviously blew up because it was really purposeful work.

And he did stuff about, like, black fathers. And it's really impressive. It's extremely impressive because, you know, in this climate of so much music with the content being things that aren't really a bit surface level, you know what I'm saying? With no real self-sense. It's really cool to see him have, you know, to see Piff have success with being himself, you know, being himself. And that, yeah, that's another thing that's just like filling me up spiritually, like working with an artist like, I can be proud of.

I can be proud of the content. I can be proud of the quality. I know he's proud of it. And, you know, working on things that, like, truly, I'm truly passionate about. I love that. It's fun. Yeah. Physically, I got to get back on the horse.

I got to get back on it. She's been making cakes, guys. Guys, she's been making cakes. I'm saying back on it. She's been making cakes, guys. Guys, she's been making cakes. I'm saying you can eat the cake, but when you eat too much cake, it's hard for you to get back into moving because the cake is on you.

You know when you can feel the cake? You can feel it on your side? Yeah, Brock knows what you're talking about. Are you a baker? No, he's the baker and the eater. So I got to get better. That's me too. I got to get better at, you know.

Not eating the cake. Just not eat the cake. Or eating the cake. It's called portion control. I want the cake. You get the cake. I will make a banana bread. And honestly, the ingredients are great.

And I believe that baking at home is always better than just buying store-bought. I know exactly what's gone into it. I can add protein powder in it. I can do this. I can switch out coconut sugar, da-da-da. But at the same time, when I bake the loaf on a Sunday and I wake up on the Monday and it's half gone. Well, you know what?

You're lucky there's half there. It's so good. It's in our house. It'll be like Saturday night. I'll just eat the brunette. It's done, honey. That's my problem. I don't say no either.

She's making the cookies and stuff, and they're good. I'll just eat the banana. It's done, honey. That's my problem. I don't say no either. She's making the cookies and stuff, and they're good, but I'm going to get back on it now. I like what you said about just take one day at a time. It'll turn into it. You know what I'm saying? It'll turn into it. It's easy saying it, too. I'm not going to lie. It's so easy.

But eventually, something will click, and we just going to keep on chipping on together. It feels good when you're getting stronger. It really does. There's nothing like it. I know. I got to get back on the tonal. We're all on it. We're all on that same rally.

Everyone that's listening, let's be accountable together. Yeah. Let's do it. I'm glad we had a good conversation. Yeah. Well, let's run with that. What would be your ultimate day for like, if you could, if you could like play like, I'll go first.

Okay. I'm like, yeah, I would like to get up at 6 o'clock, go downstairs for the first hour walk on our treadmill and read a book, so that way I get my walk in my cardio, incline walk, which is a great way to burn calories, and then get in the ice tub and then I'm up

and then at 7 o'clock, I've done all three main things, I've fed my mind, I've fed the body and then I've walked the body fed the body and I've I walked the body, fed the body, and I froze it off. So four ticks. Four ticks. That would be my ultimate start of my day because that's how I want to do it. What would be your guys' ultimate start of your day to have your ultimate day? Because after that, I'm going to crush whatever comes in front of me. My ultimate day for sure would be coming downstairs, working out, I mean, coming, yeah, working out, then next, doing an hour of studying on TikTok or studying on socials, just studying. What I have learned is like, you know,

they say the greatest currency is time, but like, I think the greatest currency is like uninterrupted time. So like, when I come down, I'm working out, but that's it. I'm not on my phone. I'm not looking at it. I'm not talking to anybody. You're working out. If I'm walking with my son, then I'm walking with my son. Yep. Yeah. That's it.

Totally. If I'm reading a book, then that's when I'm reading a book. But then do you ever feel overwhelmed when you need to catch up after that uninterrupted time? Because that's where I struggle with. I've been so much better about when I'm with my daughter just one-on-one, like I'm not on my phone. But then when I get it, like this morning even, it was just an hour, but I didn't check my phone at all.

And then I look and I was like, oh my God, oh my God, email, text, and then I'm like, ah, now I have so much to catch up on. That's what'll happen, but I promise you in that uninterrupted time that you've put into work, you will get so much done because you've set a boundary. Correct. Because when you're focusing on that work for that uninterrupted time,

you're focusing on just that work. Oh, my God. As opposed to like, oh, yeah, I'm going to do a text. I'm going to do this. And then the problem with that mentally is you just start straining yourself because you start leaving your mind here and then splitting and then splitting. It's like, yo, if it's answering emails, that's what you're doing for that out yeah yeah i'm always answering emails and i told her i was like honey you should have if you always want to do it have three half an hour windows throughout the day bum bum bum to do that yeah

that's it okay it's definitely tricky to switch that off. I think one thing that I loved was my dad's quote, actually, of if it has to be now, it has to be no. And I think that how I use that in my career was just like explaining to certain people around me, friends and, you know, work relationships that sometimes I'm not going to get back to you immediately does not mean I'm not excited, does not mean I'm not, you know, motivated about you It's just like sometimes it has to be now it has to be known you know and even like with big decisions if sometimes I get overwhelmed and someone's pushing me and I Hate that when brands will do that sometimes they'll drop a quick thing It'll be like we need to know by the end of the day if you're waiting. Yo, yeah

That's not okay. Yeah, if it has to be now and it has to be no and just let that kind of Take that pressure off me. That's not on me if it has to be now then it has to be now and just let that kind of take that pressure off me that's not on me okay I like that see I feel like I also struggle with I'm a person who

I mean I try to respond as quick as possible and then when people don't respond to me I'm like are they mad at me I get like so in my head

she hits him with the double tap the exclamation point the question mark yo all the time well that makes sense then like that's something that you value with the double tap, the exclamation point, the question mark. No. Yo. All the time. Well, that makes sense then.

Like, that's something that you value, people getting back to you quick. So you try and get back to people quick. I know. That does make sense. Yeah. Whereas like,

I definitely am someone, one of my good girlfriends who's a mom of four. She might not text me back for two weeks, but I actually feel like relief in a way because then like,

if I don't get back to her, I'm just like oh she understands that actually happened today lala called me and i still never called her back because at that time i was like sorry i can't answer right now that she texted me was like call me about disney i'm like we're not going to disney for five weeks we don't need to talk about it today right so i didn't put any importance on calling her back but i was like oh shoot oh, shoot. No, I just remembered. I never. That's not me. That's not you.

That's not you. You're breaking. There you go. You're breaking habits. Okay. So I want to. I need to hear you guys both morning routine. Ideal morning routine.

Let's run through it real quick. Yeah. Honestly. Just so we have accountability. It would be walking out and having a chef in the kitchen preparing me a delicious breakfast like a really nutritious you do some great eggs i'll give you that and you can make some good pancakes so what else do you want for breakfast i would like an acai bowl oh yes okay and you have to melt the coconut oil and then you have to put the coconut oil on top, drizzle it,

and then put it in the freezer so then you get a layer of crunch from the coconut oil. Then you put your granola on top so it doesn't sink down. That's key. And then I would like a very delicious protein smoothie as well. And it would be great to have my mom there to help me with the little one to get him dressed because right now getting him dressed is an Olympic sport. Oh, my goodness like we are sweating bullets we're tag teaming okay you

go that way around the couch i'll go this way like he's sat there he's actually sat in the room right now if you're listening not moving an inch but let me tell you he turned into actual spider-man and he can like climb up walls and do flips and so yeah just trying to catch him and pin him down to get him dressed for school is a whole thing so having the peace

of like either getting up before him which I don't think has ever happened in the two and a half years he's been on this planet because I am not

a morning person so realistically getting up when I have to because he's up but having help I think that would be really nice and then enable me to nourish my body go move probably listen to a podcast or something while

I'm doing like some cardio to warm up then listening to the the I don't know my trashy 90s hip-hop when I'm like lifting yeah and then showering and yeah enjoy my shower ritual enjoy my body care and getting dressed and putting on a cute outfit and then i feel like i'll be ready boom i like that you know honey how are you gonna what's your ideal morning start this podcast isn't about us honey i know but this is gonna be a question i want to know what your perfect morning sounds like so i know so i could take mental notes so i can help you get to that because I want my morning to be like that and I want to help you and then we can move on

to your questions. And then when we come back on here and you come back and accomplish we're going to ask you did you ever get that perfect morning? Yeah I've been checking on your chef so it's fine. So Brock is the chef. I mean he gets up and he makes summer breakfast I'm not a breakfast person so I mean he would make me

whatever I wanted but I'm just not really a breakfast person. I'll have, he he would make me whatever I wanted, but I'm just not really a breakfast person. I'll have, he makes me lemon water every morning. What's your ultimate morning, honey? So, ultimately, I mean, I would love if Summer slept past seven. That's, you know, that would be ultimate. Your ultimate morning.

Her ultimate morning is 5.30 watching something. Yeah, she, oh my God, we'll get into it, but she wakes up, and if she wakes up before six, I will bring her in our bed to try to get her back to sleep for a little bit. Because I'm like, girl, the sun is not up yet. Like I'm frozen. Ana's like, the sky's awake. So I'm awake.

And I tell her all the time, like summer, the sky's not awake yet. Go back to sleep. Sometimes she does. Sometimes, no, she just sits straight up and then she's like she does her sign language and she's like sir excuse me and she's saying sorry excuse me because it's damn cocoa melon yes yeah no the song these are the nice words you can say everyone that's listening hates us because they're in their head if they're in the cafe kids kids, they're looking around going, wait, what?

Kids hear that, hear one beat of the Mickey Mouse or the Cooka Mallet and their ears turn up. It is correct for kids. But I would say, for me, I do like to, I feel like if I don't work out by 11am, it's probably not going to happen. The rest of the

day, unless I have a schedule with my personal trainer who I don't have anymore, then I would do afternoon workouts. But now we're at home, we got the tonal. So ideally, I would like to wake up, work out, but also have the help with summer so we can just focus on what we need to do in the morning.

Because then I feel like the rest of our day is way less stressful. I know exactly what I'm going to do in the morning. Because then I feel like the rest of our day is way less stressful. I know exactly what I'm gonna do. Perfect. Oh. That's all I need. I just wanna know that. Okay.

All right, take away your questions, honey. We'll revisit. Well, I mean, I wanted to like back it up. So at the beginning of this, I just wanted to talk about, so we were just listening to the first episode of y'all's show. So congratulations. You have a new podcast.

Thank you so much. Here's your media. If you guys haven't listened to it, check it out. It's called Couplish. So your first episode, I was going to ask you how y'all met, but I'm just going to make everyone listen to your podcast instead because it's a very detailed story and it's so interesting. You guys traveled. You guys happened to end up in the same areas quite often,

if not on purpose or by accident. We did have a question about Paris. Brock wanted to know. So when you guys go back to hear the podcast, you'll hear a little bit more about Philip. And you guys were both in, you were walking in the Paris Fashion Week. Congratulations. That's crazy.

I never thought that would happen in my life. For those who don't know, Iskra started out, you are a supermodel now. You have, I guess. No. That's wild.

Totally. You've got 5 million followers on Instagram. You are crushing it. But I know it wasn't an easy road to get there and you struggled with that. And you know, people can be so negative when it comes to body image and judging. And i know that's something you face a lot too so i wanted to

talk about that a little but also brock had the question about the paris fashion show so this is this it comes into mind this is probably what i would have done for sure so i just wanted to see if how it would work but you guys were in both in paris oh you're in paris you text her she's like yeah cause i'm in paris you see my post. Blah, blah, blah. And then we go to a night out and you're at an event and all of a sudden big, tall, dark and handsome comes walking down the staircase like, mm-hmm.

So my question is, how did you know about that event? Who invited you to the event? Or did you figure out where she was going and you went to that event? It's very interesting because she brought up the event. She was like, yo and you went to that event. Because that's what Robert had done. It's very interesting because she brought up the event. She was like, yo, I'm having an event. But then... I did not give you a location.

You didn't give me the location. I didn't really know that she was going to be there. I don't think I really knew that she was going to be there. But one of my friends was hosting the event. One of my people in Paris, you know what I'm saying? So I come to the event like, yo, I'm in here, right? I'm in here. And then I see

the flyer of the event. I was like, oh, okay, this might've been the event. So now, you know, I was looking fly that night. I'm not gonna front. So boom, I walk up the stairs, I'm dapping up people. The music says, you know, I'm in here. I'm with that one, you know? That's my invitation though. I made it. I knew I was looking cool.

Boom, and I, oh, and then I saw her and I was like, oh, and then she was looking at me. She was giving me the, you know, what is he doing here? I was panicking because it was an event where I was invited and this stylist was genuinely trying to like gauge my interest on investing in their brand. So my two PR like girls are there. And then this Phillip walks in.

This Phillip. And I'm having to explain who Phillip is. If you listen to the story, you know, it's now been like eight or nine months since I've known him and we were flirtatiously friends and then he went back. Okay, I can't tell the whole story but it's complicated.

Podcast, podcast. Podcast episode zero. But yeah, it was a coincidence slash kind of not. Yeah, because I make coincidences happen all the time. Oh, that's what's up? I'm going to put myself in a position to capture this opportunity. I think that's what it was. I would have done it.

I would have been it. Especially hearing your guys' story. So that was, that was my question. I was like, honey, I pressed pause. I was like, you know what he did? He found out about this event. He knew she was going to be there. And I was going to like, I'm rocking up and just showing off.

There is times in my life, like career. And I feel like back in the day, sorry, before you, I've definitely known, like i had that sense yeah if i okay if i go there or if i do this i could potentially and i feel like that's really important in life like to go and just take those risks going to put yourself in a scenario in positive ones obviously opportunistic places because you never know what might happen 100 instead of just staying in all the time and i would have friends that were like why am i single or why is this not happening and i'm like because you're not going out you're not meeting people you're not in

different rooms or like meeting different types of people like it's important to go and put yourself out there because because here's here's like the ultimate of putting taking that effort right if you don't take that effort you're in this position yeah so if you take the effort and you and it falls flat on your ass guess where you're at right where you were before you didn't try now what could happen and what does happen especially like if if you just persisted about things or if you make things you make things happen for yourself yeah the energy will come back i think that's why we're probably all here as well. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. We all get it. We kind of all get it. And that's a tough message because my mother, opposite. My mother's like, oh, maybe that wasn't meant to be. I was like, no, no, no. Is that the mum? And you know what?

There's probably a middle ground there to realize like, okay, when it's too much, when to, but at the same time, stick to what you got. Plan A all way all the way that's his consulting company i wanted everybody to focus on plan a because like that's what everybody tries to tell you to do is like go for plan b or like yeah have a backup. I don't believe in backup plans. It never worked for me. I don't think I have a backup plan. I agree. Definitely for me when we moved over here.

I guess there's always OnlyFans. That is the backup plan. That's just a side hustle. That's not even a backup plan. That's just smart business right now. It's 2022. It's smart business, man. Anyway.

So we're all sitting here. We're four people who both have children, toddlers. And I wanted to get into some parenting stuff with you guys. I want to know what is the thing that you guys disagree on the most about parenting that's really good that's a great question they show up randomly for example i listen to podcasts and i read books and and do all the very obsessive mom things where i feel like i have to listen to everyone else's advice and then i take it all on board and some of them are contradictory right so that's challenging but one day i remember we're about we're trying to go somewhere and then philip goes well fine our son let's he's talking

to us and he goes fine i'm about to leave like i'm going and i went no you can't say that's going to give him abandonment issues and philip goes where on earth did you hear that i'm like a podcast you can't do that it's going to turn like long-term abandonment issues. And Philip's like, it's absolutely not. And I'm like, but isn't it worth

trying not to do that just in case? So I think that's where we disagree. Because I will listen and learn and think I've like learned something

that could be beneficial and I want to implement it today and stick to it forever. And he's a little bit like, it doesn't matter. He's two. Like, he's he's not gonna have abandonment issues she won't even have the conversation with me she already implemented it and was like it's like me it's already a rule but i haven't

even told him it's the new rule you messed up but i have decided the same thing i did the same thing especially especially for me as a parent it's like I can read, then I can understand how to parent. And there's plenty of information for both sides of the party. You can read what happens if this happens or this, and then find the middle ground. That's my true way. I'm like, that's how I'm going to parent. So if I can find a study that says this, I'm like, oh, well, that's it then, honey. Hey, honey, her schedule's this, this, this.

We do this, boom. He's always there with the science and the articles. And he'll send me articles and tell me this is why, you know, we should let her cry it out in the crib for five minutes. And I'm like, well, I think that that could lead to not like abandonment issues, but like emotional attachment. And like, I feel like this, yeah, he wants to build her independence, but I feel like it might make her feel like when I need someone,

they're not going to be here. Sleep training is one of the most, like, emotionally hard things to go through because I will say we decided to kind of sleep train, and I felt horrendous. I felt like I was neglecting my child's needs. But when we weren't sleep training, and our child in particular only slept for 45 minutes. Oh, my gosh. All through the night.

We had the snoo, and our best friends would show us, and it would be like, bloop, so much sleep. And then I'd also be like, bloop, bloop, red, red, red. It was really hard. It would be in the first three months. It was pandemic. We had no family. We had no one there.

It was just me and him fucking it out. And we knew we had to do something for our sanity. We had the yoga ball and, you know, you read all the things, but we would be sweating, like go up and down, up and down. Core strength was great. And this is when it comes to sleep training, right? And it's like the cried out method.

Everyone kind of thinks there's two options. You either don't or you do. But science behind i go to the science so what happens when we sleep when you go to a deep sleep even as an adult we sleep in like two hour cycles because if you go to two deeper REM sleep your body shuts off so and i don't know the scientific term of it but instead of that happening it reminds you to wake up. So notice how as an adult, you wake up and then you're like, oh, you hear something that wakes you, then you readjust. That is the training aspect where even if we don't do it now, they're going to have to know this skillset. And what's the most important thing to do for your body, for your mind, for anything, and that's have quality sleep. And so that's where I take my...

Listen, this is a short-term like pain for a long-term gratification because if she can have the ability to because she's going to always do it it's biology we do it every two hours around that she's going to wake up but how does she put herself back to sleep yeah and that is and that is all i need to know i'm like okay i am doing the right thing. But it does break my heart. But it does my head in. I'm just like, no, she's crying. She needs me. Can we really put it? The longest we've let her cry was probably like 14 minutes.

And that was one time. I was not there for that. That was one time. Oh, no. We hit the five-minute mark. I'm like, I'm going in. I know. That was one time.

That was when she was in Mexico checking out wedding venues. And I decided to sleep train our kid. I was going to say, I have certainly never gone that far. That's probably a good time to do it, honestly. It was perfectly. It's always worse when mom is around. Yeah. 1,000%.

And every time Phillip goes away, he'll wake up so much earlier than when Phillip's at home. It's like they just know. And it's like every time I walk past the crib, sometimes he can smell me. He's like, come on, mommy. They know. They know. Well, we had a really good baby monitor. And once I showed her his face because.

That's true. That was interesting. I watched his face. That he wasn't in pain. And it really helped me. I was like, he's not in pain. I like that. Oh, seriously.

Summer looks like she's in pain. No. There's different types of cries. Where's your monitor at? If you can see his face. He was in the snooze, so he was laid fully back, so it was just right above him. And it's so true because when he was really upset,

like stomach issues or one time, he really hated the bath for a period of time and his back was arched and he was bright red and you could tell he was really upset. But then when it was the sleep stuff, it was more like, wah, wah. And I was like, he's literally just yelling and so like learning their cues

and when it's like upset like I really need you mommy and then yelling is anyone here oh I kind of want to come out my crib but all they know to do is cry you're perfect that's exactly it if you've got to understand

and we understand our child's cries 100% you want to hear is cry you're perfect that's exactly it if you're going to understand that's why the cry and we understand our child's cries 100% but honey there are the times when we're in that

3-5 minute mark where I'm like she sounds like she is in pain and it is emotional pain she is not in physical pain but I am not in pain my one rule of note

I'm like honey she can put her binky in her mouth and then she's that's it and then she's fine. Which means she's not like hysterically crying. Which means she's not hyperventilating. She's straight up yelling.

And you're like, oh, well, that didn't work. What can I do next? I do have one horror story, though. So as we were going through it and we did the gradual kind of like, and yet he never cried or screamed for longer than 15 minutes, something like that, right? And you only do it for like three days. And the day it's 15 the next day it's five and then by the third day it's like he's just like oh okay oh yeah i'm just gonna go to sleep but our friends

who their child when they started this was three and a half months oh oh my gosh it's a little yeah basically they went to the pediatrician they were like like, hey, we're thinking of sleep training. We're not getting any sleep. And the pediatrician was like, yeah, try the elimination methyl. And then my friend goes, what's the longest you've ever heard of a baby crying for? And the pediatrician goes, I mean, maybe three hours would be like the worst ever. It would just never happen, though. So what happened that day?

They try it. Two hours, 57 minutes. My friend is looking at her phone and she's almost like crying. She's like, I can't do it. I have to go in. And then at 2.58, like two hours, 58 minutes, she fell asleep. Oh my gosh. And it took them two weeks, but eventually, and she said that did change their lives.

And that's honestly, yeah, you're not just taking care of the kid at that point you're taking care of the parents and yourself and and you're putting yourself on equal playing fields you don't love her more you just love each other equally and i know that people listening to this are gonna be like that's awful that they put their child throughout and i'm not saying i i could have lasted that long and i'm not saying like every each to their own but i think you know that friend in that position had to go back to work yeah like there were certain things where i mean if you've heard a baby waking up every 30 minutes through the night for three months straight it does something to your mental health you can't show up as a mom in the daytime with your child you're not ready to take them and have a fun day at the park

or connect with your other friends or do it. Like you really can lose yourself in that. No, I'm a big believer in whatever you need to do to be the best version of yourself to show up for your child, do that. If that means getting a night nurse, if that means doing the sleep training method, whatever you have to do

so that you can be the best version of yourself. Yeah, and then at no point am I telling anybody that my way is the right way to raise your kids because they're your kids you know i just because they're our kids i just like i do like letting parents and they're like hey we're all going for it's the best part is talking to other parents and realizing oh we have the same stuff and it just normalizes your craziness and reminds you i'm present i'm blessed it's okay it is my new favorite thing of just like if i meet a stranger or a fan or whoever in life if they are also a parent i'm like you immediately can talk about anything about your kids anything and i feel like brock is i was just doing a podcast yesterday and i was saying brock is the type of person where

he could walk into a room and there could be a homeless man and a billionaire and he's going to be able to have a deep conversation with both of them relate on different levels and they're both going to be interested in what brock has to say i'll probably get that homeless guy a job from the billionaire really i'll figure out how to network that bad boy but brock just has that presence about him where he can walk into a room and literally make conversation with anyone. It's a gift. Yeah. I personally cannot.

If I don't really know who someone is, I might just, you know, kind of do my own thing or check my emails or whatever. But over the past year and a half, when I meet someone who's also a parent, I'm like, oh, my God. Okay, so does your kid do this? Immediately. Immediately. Immediately. I know.

And I think we have to. I think that as many of the books that you can read and the videos you can watch, there's just something very, I'm sorry, our child is now. There's just something reassuring about knowing that no one has the perfect answer. No one has the perfect experience. Yeah. You know, and we're all figuring it out. Totally.

As it happens. And every child is different. Yeah. My gosh. That's the thing. Even seeing our friends have a second and how the second one's completely different to the first one. And, oh, man. Yeah.

You're doing great. Anyone that's listening to this. Yeah. You're doing amazing. Have you guys had a conversation about another one or how's that gone? We've had multiple conversations. And I will say I'm often, the reason why I would like a second is I'm an only child. So I feel like I lacked the experience of having a sibling.

I feel like I lacked the experience of having a sibling. And I feel like I've seen some friends lose parents or go through things and have to do that on their own and they've all said to me I wish I had a sibling to go through this and understand what that felt like with me wow yeah

see and I also grew up an only child until I was 12 and a half and then my parents had my sister so and I felt like I didn't miss out on any of that because I also had a lot of cousins that were close in age and we all grew up so close. But the older I've gotten and watching my parents lose their parents and then watching friends of mine, I have three friends who don't have either parent anymore and several who don't have one or the other.

And one of those friends is an only child. And that right there just makes me want to give her a sibling. Not anytime soon. But I'm like, I don't want her to end up going through life alone. The childhood stuff, I'm like, I had a great childhood. I'll give you a great childhood. You don't need someone to play with. But it's the later in life that you have to think about.

And I would not want to put that burden on her. I agree. And it's also very apparent that Philip is black and I'm white. And so having a child that's mixed. Well, anyone that's listening might not know. Yeah, you're right. Basically, I feel like we have a child now that is not going to be able to, well, they're going to relate to us in certain ways,

but not fully, right? I'm not going to know what his experience is like because he's going to be mixed with both white and black culture. So I do think having a sibling could help him feel less alone in that experience and just having someone in the family unit because neither of either side of our family is in interracial relationships. So there's no one else in my side of the family that's dated someone or married someone or had children outside of their race. And the same with your side. So we're the first people to do that in our families. So he really is the only mixed child in all of our family. Oh, wow.

So I do think maybe having a sibling is probably going to be important because he might turn around one day and be like, oh, there's no one else in my family that looks like me yeah wow that's that's that's something they don't even think of you know what i mean so i think that wow simultaneously i don't feel ready i don't feel prepared for a second seeing our friends like we went on a group we went on a family trip it was not a vacation it. It was not a vacation. It was a family trip. That's what they're called now. They are not vacations when the kids come.

It's a trip. You're just doing what you do in a different location. It's lovely, though. Not complaining. But we had two families that had one child and two families that had two. And it was like night and day. Yeah. We were able to just maneuver and do things

and they just like when one was upset, they all had to leave the beach or they all had to go and do something and then if one of them was doing something, then they had to cater

and it was a lot harder. We watched it and we were like, oh, we're not ready for that. That's a great hands-on like experience to see that. Yeah. I'm seeing people too

who were pregnant when I was pregnant who are now pregnant again and I'm like, oh my God, already? Yes. What? No, I feel like I'm just You can do were pregnant when I was pregnant who are now pregnant again and I'm like, oh my God, already? Yes. What? You can do that.

Like, it's a blessing. It's a blessing whether it happens or not. But if you can control it, if you can, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Because once you do have multiple. I talked to parents out there, I'll tell you. Seriously. It is the hardest, best, but also for me, scariest job in the world. And I wanted to ask you both as parents, do you have, I mean, I think everyone has certain fears around parenting, but what would you say is your biggest fear around being a parent

and how have you worked on trying to overcome that? I have two big ones. Firstly, because I had an eating disorder growing up and body image disorders. I am hyper aware that a food and body and I think I'm so hyper aware that I might make more problems than there is. For example, like I hear everything when someone talks about food or bodies around him. And I'm immediately like, don't say that. And I'm like, oh, that's probably worse than just letting it go. For example, my mom is the type of person to be like,

oh, we're going to have a brownie as a treat. And then like, oh, but I need to lose five pounds, so I'll have to work out after the brownie. So she has attached a lot of... Food. Yeah, you've got to burn it to earn it, that whole mentality. And I think that our generation and the younger generations has had access to understanding that we can try and separate emotion

and food and shame and all of these things, but their generation completely missed the boat, and it's really solidified. And you see it. You see it with your grandpa. Oh, so much. Yeah. It's hard.

I don't want to say it's too late because, you know, I always talk to my mom, but she's going to, when someone comes and they've lost weight, immediately say, you look so good, you've lost weight. And I keep telling her, but what if they were sick? What if they didn't want to lose weight? Like losing weight isn't always a success story. You know, it isn't the only measure of worth.

And I think that for me, making sure that my child knows that they are more than their body, more than their size, but also has a healthy relationship with food. Right. So building that from the get go with positively talking about food, no shame, no guilt surrounding food, allowing him to have what he wants, but have intuitive eating so he knows when he's full. So I think the best phrase I've learned is just when it comes around food, just be like, is your tummy full? And just like stick to that. Don't be like, oh, you got to finish your plate or you need to eat the broccoli that's on your plate or just really letting go of any of these things that I wish he ate X, Y, Z, or I wish he didn't want to eat all those cookies or and trying to not put the wrong words

in there to then make it an unhealthy relationship with food like I had so I think my overthinking is my biggest fear and my other biggest fear is being white and him maybe resenting me in some sort of way or not feeling, I don't know. I just feel like sometimes I watch things in the media and rappers, or they talk about kind of their, their white family in a less proud way than their black heritage. But I understand why people do that because it's so much harder to exist being black.

And so I think that people really have to go out there and be loud and proud of that culture. So I just want to make sure that he's never embarrassed. I'm his mommy or something. That's like a weird fear, but I'm just being completely vulnerable. That's something that's like, I don't want him to ever wish that he was more black or more white.

I just want him to be happy being himself. Listen, but just hearing, talking to you guys as parents and all that, I don't think you're going to run into those issues. Right. You know,

because to be able to be aware of what you're saying around them all the time, which you are, we both, you guys are. I mean, you guys just get lead by example.

So hopefully, hopefully that fear kind of like goes down as he starts going up and he does run to you and he does, because you guys are going to have those conversations, you know, and he's going to,

and you guys are going to be his biggest supporters too. So. For sure. I mean, it's already happened. We were at the trampoline park a couple of months ago and there's a little girl who's maybe like seven or eight and she walked up to him and was like, why are you Brown? But your mommy's white. And that was like the first time I've had like a child say it. And I was like, oh gosh, you know, how child say it and I was like oh gosh you know how do you respond because you know I don't want to say anything that makes the little girl feel bad for saying that because she's genuinely curious but I wonder if her parents have ever had a conversation with her about that or maybe she doesn't have any friends that are brown or mixed

or black so it's just like navigating those conversations I know there's no perfect way to do it but I definitely live in fear of like, geez, I don't want to like F it up. I think you just saying that on being vulnerable like that and talking about it is the only way to navigate that. Bring it to front of mind. So well done on that. Thanks, appreciate you.

What me is just trying to make sure that he has a balance of adversity in his life because he won't grow up and go through the same things that his dad went through or that his mom went through. He's never going to be hungry. Oh, no. He won't ever have to sleep in a car. He won't ever have to sleep in a church. No, he won't ever be in that place.

But also, you know you need those those things you need those things to make you who you are and to give you tough skin so just trying to have a balance teaching him like the value of hard work and teaching him those things that i know that he'll already have but like he just won't have to go and me being compassionate and empathetic of like, yo, this is a different time. You don't have to parent the same way that you had to parent, you know, 10 to 20 years ago. They don't have to go through those things because like the generation before us is way braver and way more outspoken. And like they're not playing like Gen Z. They're not playing.

And his generation, they're not playing either. Gen Z, they're not playing. And his generation, they're not playing either. So just be empathetic in that and try to do what I can to guide him and use my wisdom and my experiences to help him. How do you feel like that with Summer? Because

she's going to have a completely different upbringing and life to what you guys had. I know, we've talked about this. I know you guys grew up very differently. Brock and I grew up very differently. He grew up on a dairy farm in New Zealand and I grew up just outside of Los Angeles. So we had very

different upbringings and you know, we are fortunate enough to provide Summer with a good life and multiple homes and cities to go to. I always want her to have that, but he's like no, she needs to learn the hard way. And like, it just, but I'm like, but honey, like she can sit in a middle seat on a flight

to Australia if that makes you happy. The kid's not always going to be flying first class. Okay. I didn't grow up. Not always. After 19, then she can move up there. Okay. Otherwise she's back there and I'll sit back with her.

It's a little bit. You know, that's the thing. No, we fly coach most of the time. Unless it's on someone else's dime, like, I will be southwest, you know? That's true. So, no, but I'm like, but there will be times where, you know what? We're going here. We can afford, like, when we flew to our wedding in Mexico, I'm like, no, we're going to fly first class.

It was business class. It wasn't, like when we flew to our wedding in Mexico, I'm like, no, we're going to fly first class. It was business class. It wasn't like the lay down pods or anything. But I'm like, sometimes we are going to do those things because we're able to afford that lifestyle for her. It's not going to be all the time. When we do make the flight back to Australia, we are certainly not going to be in first class because that's too damn expensive.

And that's on our dime. Especially right now. Yeah. No, I think 100%, percent you gotta figure out that balance right because how many lessons did we learn in the struggles how many lessons did we teach ourselves in the misery and the pain and the hang and like my whole motivation was to get out of the town i was in because there was nothing there you know yeah we live when we lived in san diego and we were renting on the beach i was was like, honey, we live on the beach. My daughter cannot have this as a backyard.

And I'm like, yes, she can. But as like a holiday where she doesn't know we own it. Like, I don't know, maybe we just don't tell them what we're really doing. Like we just keep it very low. But that's a challenge because ultimately we want to grow up and take care of our family and then hopefully leaving a legacy behind. And then we want to encourage them to do the same thing. But then at what point do you lose that driving force of the legacy

and then just become kind of like complacent and kind of entitled, which is the big one, and go down that rabbit hole? So really in book club this month that I was doing, it was the Vanderbilt and it was about how the generations, how the wealth died off because of that sense of entitlement, because it was like, oh, I just get passed down all of this property, all of this money. I don't have to really work.

I don't have to really like figure out how to keep, you know, building. I just complacency. And then like after a few generations, it's gone. Maybe that's it. Maybe we just like, we start a business where like families that have wealth, we manage that wealth and no one else knows about us.

So the family doesn't even fucking know. You know what I mean? So your kids don't actually know. They're like, when I die, you get a hundred grand. And you give them a blueprint. Like this is how you should live comfortably. That's what we do. You know what I mean?

Live comfortably and then take care of it. And that's the goal. Yeah. So I have a question, a parent question. We are going through the hitting phase. Oh. Yes. And it kind of came out of nowhere, but we had actually done a trip to LA and we took

it just me and Phillip for once. Usually we bring him, hence why he's here this trip, because we noticed when we got back, his energy shifted. Yeah. And he was like literally hitting me in the face, super upset all the time. And it was shocking. Like I'm trying to hold back tears when it happens

because I'm like, well, my child is really angry at me, like really upset and treating me differently than I've experienced. And I'm like, what do I do? And then what was really, again, made me super upset was we went to the park and he does a little soccer class. And then afterwards he was on the steps and an eight year old girl came to go up the steps and he was stood there. He's two. And he said, no. And I was like, what's going to

happen now? She basically ignored him, tried to keep walking. He smacked her in the face. No. Yes. He smacked her in the face. No. Yes. I laughed at this. I was absolutely humiliated. I know. That happened to Summer at the park. And I was like, where's this kid's parent?

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, my gosh. The kid's mom is going to lie with the parents. I was like, no. And he's two. And he's like whacking this girl in the face. And she didn't say anything because she was stunned. Because she didn't expect a two-year-old to smack her in the face.

And so then I went over and I was like, okay, we have to apologize. I've said his name, bollocks. Anyway. We'll be better. Okay. And he would not apologize. He would not apologize. And I was like, please, just say sorry.

It's not, you know, we do this all the time. Usually he's going to say, sorry, excuse me. That's cuck kind of my ass. And it wasn't until we were like leaving, because then obviously I did the like, it's time to leave the park. You've hurt somebody's body, we're leaving. And as we were leaving, I kept trying to tell him,

can you please say sorry? And then when we got so far that she would never hear it, he then said, sorry. And I was just like. That's a tough one, right? That was a tough one. this is what I will say when he did come home and like she sent him with me you know

and I'm like I'm that guy right and we had a talk and I was talking to him and he told me why and then I told him don't do it again and then he wasn't looking at me and then I said no, don't do it again. And then he wasn't looking at me.

And then I said, no, look me in my eye and tell me that you won't do that. And he looked me in my eye. And it was the first time I was like, oh my, this is like, I am pouring in. This is a human now. Like this is like my child. Like I'm in, this is happening.

He's connected. Yeah, we're connected now. And he understood me. And to have that moment, I was like, oh, wow, this is important. These moments are important to just teach them and to just do what you can to be an example. And that's how you respond to that action. For sure.

And it's not even just the hitting action. It's the falling over action or that any it's how we respond to any type of stimulus to that to your kid and you know the first one is like oh my god it's the helicopter parent i'm the helicopter not to yeah we're more emotional creatures i just think it's like i get it i get it and then it's kind of figuring but then having those conversations and figuring out what what feelings did you feel to get there and that's that's that's the i think that's the difference in parenting i've never been this open to talk about talk to me because my dad would have the time to talk to me he's too busy to say probably hit you back yeah he's just like bloody yeah you know and then another way we were raised very differently and so one of, I've talked it through with a lot of people,

and I will say I think the best piece of advice that I've taken on board from it was showing that you're human and you were impacted emotionally by it without putting so much pressure on your child because it's not up to your child to make you happy or sad, but just letting yourself express to your child how you are feeling so then it models expressing your feelings to your child, right? And then also using your partner as a way to help them empathize with you. So for example, with the hitting thing, instead of in that moment when he's emotional, he

can't understand what's happening. I'm emotional. It's not a good time for anyone to try and figure this out. Take it back home and then come to Philip and say, so Philip, I have to talk about something with you today. Unfortunately, when we were at the park, you know, so-and-so hit so-and-so in the face. And it made mommy really sad because I saw that it hurt the girl. And then, you know, he wasn't able to apologize. so i just wanted to let you know philip that this is how it made me feel and i was hoping that maybe you could speak to him

and you could work through it and apparently sometimes when they hear that yeah and it's not like so forced and direct where they can just like run away they listen they're listening he's listening right now definitely and then I started over congratulating him when he did something. Rewarding the good behavior, right? Very, very sweet. You know what I'm saying? Rather than punishing bad behavior. Yeah.

When he, like, I had asked him to do something for one time and he just did it. So I, like, gave him a chocolate raspberry. He loves these chocolate raspberries. Frozen chocolate raspberries. I was so surprised. I was like, yo, what is this? What? So this is what happens.

I saw a couple of them. I want to start baking with salmon. Do like kids treats, like chocolate raspberries, gummy beers, and like watermelon treats. And then he was wondering why this is happening.

And I'm like, yo, it's because this. Like I asked you to do something and you didn't say anything. Like you just went and did it. And he was like, oh, okay, okay. Registered. Yeah. That's the beauty of raising kids guys totally yeah right

and we don't know if we're doing it right no it sounds like you guys are doing everything right and i feel like i could talk to you for hours so i think we're gonna have to do a part two right yeah i would love to do that again that was a great note to end it on i was gonna ask you what your advice was and you just gave it to me. So I love that. I love you guys. Thank you so much for getting into some shenanigans with us. Please tell everyone where they can find you. You can find us on Instagram at Iskra.

I-S-K-R-A. And at PhilipAPayne1L, guys. And on TikTok too, trying to be cool parents. Yeah, get on the tits. Love that. Thank you guys so much for listening. And if you haven't already, be sure to check out my merch at shop.dearmedia.com.

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