Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Diana Espir Hits the Spott

Episode Date: May 2, 2019

Journalist and fellow podcast host Diana Espir joins Scheana and Janet to chat about her career and show, air out a little relationship frustration with a few certain fellas, difficulty and drama dating in LA, and the difficulty of dating apps. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Thank you for listening to this podcast one production available on Apple podcasts and podcast one From Vanderpump Rules to Vegas and everywhere in between, it's time to party with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. What's up, guys? I am back from Stagecoach. I have the amazing Janet co-hosting and the amazing, gorgeous, hilarious Deanna Espear from the podcast You Can't Sit With Me.

Thank you for that intro. I appreciate. I'm loving this trio, I have to say. Yes, this is fun. This is the most sober the three of us have ever been together. That's probably true. Yeah. But you both are amazing.

So I'm happy you're here. Thank you. So happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Now the tables are turned. Now you're on my podcast. I'm actually so nervous.

When I saw that I was going to be on your podcast, I was like, is that a mistake? Why would she not want me on her podcast? You're like the queen of pop culture. No, you're so hilarious. Like, I had so much fun on your podcast. Like, I was like, you have to come and do mine. Thank you. And I'm, like, I'm loving, as I said, I'm loving the true situation.

But, yeah, I'm very nervous because I don't really get interviewed. Well, we're just going to. Don't kill me. Girl talk. Girl talk. I like that. I like it. Yeah.

I'm into it. I mean, you know, obviously I have some questions. But we'll do some girl talk. And, yeah. So, let's just get into it. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously I have some questions, but we'll, we'll do some girl talk. And yeah, so, um, let's just get into it. Let's do it. How long have you been doing your podcast now? I think it's been just over a year, like a year and a half. Okay. Same here. Yeah. Yeah. Started very randomly. Not like you, where it's like an official situation. I was just a bored journalist and I was like, I need to do something about my boredom because this sucks. Yeah.

Yeah. But you just won an award for your podcast, didn't you? I actually did. I got, how do you know? I stalked you before this, obviously. Oh my gosh. I call it research. I don't call it stalking.

Yeah. Stalking is for desperate losers, which you're not. Yeah. Forbes, like top 18 female podcast.'s so exciting I know I was like are you fucking joking I was sitting in my living room feeling sorry for myself podcasting and now Forbes is like top female podcast I love that that's so exciting congrats thank you but I can't believe that anyone would think of me that way I can no I love her podcast and like I mean just your accent alone I was gonna say I love your voice so much. You're fun to listen to.

Can I just say Sheena, your voice right now? It's so sexy. I love sex. I swear. It's like every day I do my podcast, it's usually on Wednesdays. I like, I'm just getting back from being out of town over the weekend. My voice usually recovers by Friday and then I leave again. So it's just like not.

I'm going to give you some voice tips for my like singing days yeah because I actually need to finish recording my EP and I haven't been able to because I've been traveling for the last four months like every week right and I'm gonna give you the the ex-recording artist tips like all the ingredients and stuff oh my gosh I just moved the entire studio. You're like 90 pounds. Okay, so we met last summer at Pump. Yes! It was the OOTD

party of Stassi. Oh, love it, love it. Were you there, Janet? I wasn't there. Stassi didn't invite me. It's fine. Well, I don't think she really knew you last summer. No. She knows the nicest person there. I'm just gonna put it out there. I don't care what really knew you last summer. She knows the nicest person there. I'm just going to put it out there. I don't care what people say.

I agree. Yeah, so we met then. And then I did your podcast. You also co-host with Craig. Yeah, he hasn't been doing podcasts that much recently. He's been away. But yes, I co-host with Craig, Pumperall's podcast. Some very, very twisted conversations on there.

I want to do that podcast. I love Craig. Oh my gosh, you should come. I see him all the time. Every time I see him, he's like, we got to get you on. I'm like, okay. Yeah. You have the insider scoop.

I know. I haven't done that podcast in so long. You should do it. Didn't you guys have beef? Yes. I don't have no filter. Do you mind? No, not at all.

Didn't you guys have beef? Yeah. Why? Because they used to talk so much shit about me on it and then would ask me to come and be on their podcast. And I'm like, why would I be on your podcast when all you do is talk shit about me? But I took part in the talking shit and you came on my podcast. Well, I didn't know that at the time. But still, do you know what I mean?

When you talk shit about someone on the podcast, you should always be open to going on the podcast because it's like being a troll on YouTube where you just comment. But once you're actually faced with that person, you get the other side of the story. Right. And literally, you are one of my favorite people to watch Vanderpump Rules now. Well, thanks.

Because I know you personally now. So when I watch it, I'm like, oh, that's why this happened. So other than me, who is your favorite on Vanderpump Rules? Stassi? Stassi. Well, so here's the thing and this is again

gonna be me talking shit but she was my favorite to watch and then I met her and because she wasn't as warm as you were now I'm just like not bothered so you haven't read her book I haven't read her book yet have you um I haven't ordered I read um I ordered it I got it um okay the day it came out and um I've only read little parts of it I just haven um okay the day it came out and um i've only read little parts of it i just haven't had the time to sit down and like fully dive into it but i read the parts that were about me i i actually i got the audiobook but i haven't had time to listen to it because i was listening to your podcast on the way oh okay yeah which episode um i so i keep re-listening to the p Hilton one. Oh, yeah.

Because I had him on my podcast. And since I've had him on, whenever I have people on my podcast that I have a very good conversation with, I just become a fan of them. Because it just makes me want to find out more about them. Yeah. You've interviewed a lot of people. Yes. On the podcast and off the podcast. Yeah.

Who would you say is like the coolest person you've been able to interview? And the least coolest. Yeah. Since we're talking shit. But this is the thing. I always talk shit. You know what? That's my thing.

But so the least – can I start with the least coolest person so I can end on a happy note because I don't want to be that much of an asshole? I don't know the name of the least cool person that I've interviewed, but I know the story. Okay. Which is some – is this an explicit episode? You can say whatever you want. Some bitch on the red carpet. So this was like a TV award show, but not like a big, like the MTV movie, like a smaller

award for the Academy Awards. And this girl comes on the red carpet and it was so obvious that I didn't know who she was. I had never watched her show before. And so I'm like, so tell us a little bit about yourself and your character which i know is the worst question you could ask but i was just you know when you've spoken to 50 people and you just don't care anymore and i just literally did not care terrible employ me still thank you and so she she gave me a name and then goes about the interview preaching about don't

judge a book by its cover life is too short no no no and then at the end she was like oh by the way my name wasn't this it was this other name and you didn't know you're like way to call me out right i was like i did not give a fuck who you were and now that i know that you're a z-lister who gets offended because i didn't recognize you i give even zero like less fucks than i did before so i still don't remember her name to this day i know what show she was on but i'm not gonna say it because we did talk about this on your podcast i talk about it because it's my one story where someone was literally just a troll on the carpet it's like we're all reporters not every reporter has the time to watch every show on tv no so give me something to work with don't make me look like

an arsehole yeah and unless like you have someone in your ear telling you you know who this next person is walking up and like what to ask them no you don't we don't have that you know most of the time when you're like reporting on the red carpet first of all it doesn't pay you that much like it's not a an industry with a lot of money um you have to like actually be a producer to kind of make it in in journalism unless you're like andy cohen or whatnot yeah we all know but so do you know what i don't have time i'm not going to put in all these extra hours to know who every single person is because i'm out there doing other jobs right so who's been your favorite? Sheena. No, but like, honestly, everyone says, I think our podcast episode that we did together on my podcast was my most played episode.

Oh my God. So many people that I had interviewed before or that I interviewed afterwards said, I listened to your episode with Sheena and it was so fucking good. I love that. Oh, yay. Like even Carl from Summer House because I love Summer House. Kyle or Carl? Carl. Sorry, Kyle, Carl. It kind of sounds like

Carl. Do you know what I mean? Carl Radke. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Didn't you guys hear? Okay. Oh, they hooked up. He'll be here this weekend. What? He'll be here this weekend. He'll be on the podcast? No, he did my podcast last week. Okay. But he'll be in LA. Does it mean you're going to meet up with him? Yeah.

It's my birthday's next week. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so he's coming out for. Does it mean you're going to meet up with him? Yeah. It's my birthday next week. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so he's coming out for my birthday. Can you please hook up with him again? He's so cute. Probably. There's no way you're not going to hook up with him. Really?

I mean, whatever. I love it though. Okay, I haven't met him, but I love the way he talks about Sheena. I've obviously listened to the podcast that he did. And I just love the way he talks to you and about you. And I think he's a sweetie. Yeah, until you date him. Right, probably.

Well, because they all suck. Wait, did you date him? No, but he came on my podcast. Okay, yes. Because I watch Summer House and I think it's a hilarious show. I know of Summer House through Random Home Rules, obviously. And I just feel like Carl is the guy that you could be best friends with, but then you shouldn't date him

aka other people we know but we won't mention oh no we will mention that okay yeah we will mention oh no

we're gonna get into that for sure we're talking shit this episode yes we Janet we messed up what

we were supposed to bring Rose oh yeah we were supposed to do drinking and podcasting during the day we forgot I got a little hammered last night i'm not gonna lie oh yeah i was but see that's when you need i know i had to i had to have a champagne this morning to get here i'm not gonna lie i had a i had to have a champagne the ratchet life i needed it alcohol wasn't even on my mind

today we talked about it a few days ago we're're like, oh, we should bring wine and just like, yeah. Oh, well. Fail. Next time. Yeah. Yeah. Next time I won't be super hungover. We were over served a little bit at Craig's last night. Yeah, we had a B-day party last night and it was a late night.

What's your go-to drink? It actually wasn't even a late night. I was home in bed barfing by 1 a.m. But that's when you get the drunkest. I know. Because you're too drunk to even carry on with your night i mean and last night was a night where we just drank everything we had tequila shots we had vodka shots we had champagne we had wine i have a question moscow mule i have a

question this is in my podcast but this is interview diana kicking in how do you girls tiny tiny girls may i just add do shots and survive because I can't even have one I know you have a very low tolerance I have a very high tolerance but how many shots can you have in one night I if I do more than two I'm done I mean I could have a lot how many like seven are you fucking kidding me how do you feel after like shot three she never gets hung over it's such bullshit she never gets there a point where you're completely fucked up um like when i did watch what happens live a couple weeks ago i i like blacked out i immediately knew when you got on you're like had this like smile and like your eyes were a little low i was like she's

wastey yeah i love it shammered yes but i'm a hammered yeah and i never really get drunk when i film but in the season finale I did watch it happens live a couple weeks ago I did or last week yeah the season finale emotions emotions and alcohol that well first of all that the engagement party was amazing in real life and yes beautiful it was gorgeous I mean it was honestly like a wedding they cut the cake they had a first dance they had. I found that engagement parties nowadays are basically like weddings. My cousin had an engagement party, which I flew to London

for from LA. But it was a huge deal. It was basically like a wedding. I think it's a trending thing now. And people like smaller, like cuter weddings. I feel like bigger weddings are a thing of the past now. Yeah. It's like a pre-wedding.

I mean, it was gorgeous they had a um fortune teller there who was doing like tarot cards what did what did they tell you i missed all what they said because i was i paid for that night too that was like kristen and i's gift to them for the party so i'm like i paid for this and i didn't even get a it was awesome yeah sheena how many drinks did you have that night you can't remember my God. The video you just posted kind of says it all. Well, I posted this after I had seen the scene because this is – Oh, were her pounding the wine? No, I saw the scene with Adam because this is genuinely how I felt.

I was like, I can't believe – because I like to watch Vanderpump Rules with, like, Rosé, like, kind of wavy, not completely sober. But I knew that we were going to talk about it today. So I was watching it in the afternoon. And I was like, shit, I really wish I could have a drink to enjoy this moment. Actually, I did not enjoy that moment. I felt terrible for you during that moment. But I needed a drink to get through it.

Yes. I mean, I needed several drinks that night. And it's like, I mean, obviously, I didn't want to have that conversation there. But we hadn't hung out before. We both were going to this party. I mean, it was, you know, end of summer. Yeah. So it was like I kind of didn't have a choice.

I had to talk to him. I tried to pull him aside, do it in as private of an area as possible. Yeah. And I don't even think a lot of people knew that that was going on. I was going to say, you were in this, like, it's where the food was served so everyone had eaten and everything so it's where like the buffet was set up basically there's like a little private room yeah nobody was in there after after the food was served nothing was in there nobody was in there so you did go off and i think they made it look like like lisa and everyone were kind of like could hear and were

peeking in but you couldn't hear what you were saying really i'm really gonna throw a dig at someone here jacks that was really rude did you see what he said on twitter though i didn't see he took it back he took it back and he said that he loves the new sheena i'm living my best life and he's like honestly he's like i didn't even know that was going on at the time so why did he say it because people told him and so he just said he's like well if there was one thing that went wrong, it was Sheena making it about herself. But he, at the time, did not have any clue that that was going on. It was just what he heard the next day from people being like, oh, Sheena trying to make your party about herself. Can I just say, people really need to stop saying that about you.

Because, I mean, I've only seen you like privately or at that event no actually I've seen you at a couple of events now and the the time that we met you were just sitting by yourself minding your own business just being like happy enjoying your presence everyone else was being like social butterflies me this me that like people don't see this behind the scenes but you're always like super cash like in your track suits you're not at all like an me me me person yeah yeah you always have to support everybody else i mean it's like your job to talk about yourself as well i don't know i find this really weird also jack's making comments about you know you stole the thunder at my engagement party didn't him and tom beat the

shit out of each other at yours yeah let's rewind blood splattered on you season two finale my engagement party yeah literally i got thrown because tom and jacks are like brawling out i'm like i was just crying in a corner yeah you full on there was blood drawn at my engagement party so me crying in a corner is nothing there needs to be an engagement party where you're not crying. Right? Hopefully that's going to be mine. Right? Kidding.

Don't want to get engaged. Don't marry me. For the first time ever at the reunion, I didn't cry. I love that. Yeah. Wait, the first time? Sorry, what? The first reunion ever, the one that we just filmed.

Yeah. It starts airing next week. I didn't cry. Was everyone just nice to you were you just strong i just i'm in a really good place with everyone and they didn't really have anything to come at me for like there's a little disagreement that you'll see me in with lala but other than that it was like it just it went very smoothly for me it was kind of weird i'm like okay when's she gonna hit the fan for me like when is it maybe that's why i like you so much now because i did meet you when you were

just in a happier place yeah and i mean not that i'm saying that if i met someone in a bad place i wouldn't like them but as i said in my podcast with adam um old sheena is the girl that i've been that i'm so mad at myself for being back in the day. And it's just like, when you see it on TV, it's just like, come on. Because you feel like you would have done different, but you don't. Like, everyone dates a fucking arsehole.

Hello! Like Adam. I mean, are we calling him an arsehole now? I mean, everyone's been him an asshole now? Like, I need to know. Yeah, we don't like him. I mean, everyone's been calling him a fuckboy. I mean, what he did on the show is what he did in real life. And he wanted you to not date him but not sleep with anybody else and to close your options off with everybody else.

That's not fair. That's not how the real world works. You can't have your cake and eat it too, Adam. I'm a little confused. Are we allowed to talk about stuff that happened after the season as well or not really? Yeah, we're just talking about our lives. Oh, okay. Because I don't even know anymore.

You know what? It all gets so convoluted. The politics. Like, hello. That's why I did a podcast. I was like, fuck this shit. I just want to talk about anything. But so because after this happened, you and Adam had reconnected.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, and you'll hear me talk about that at the reunion, but it's like it's no secret. If you follow me on social media, it's not like after that day we never spoke again. We went to fucking Iceland together. Yeah. Like we. You guys have been on and off and on and off and on and off.

So rewind. Oh, no, I'm not the interviewer. Hey, we can all interview each other. Can we? Yes. Let's do it. Girl talk can hey we can all interview each other can we let's do it girl talk with each other yeah so basically at that party i mean do you want to give do you want me to give my opinion on the situation because i'm very opinionated about it absolutely okay love adam but you know the i've only no but no i've only met him like a couple of times like on my podcast I've never hung out

with him as a friend but when he came on my show you know he had good banter he had good chat which I was very surprised I thought he was gonna be boring as fuck but he was he's like sorry and I told him that I did that when he came on my podcast I had previously said that he had the charisma of an oyster oh my god um and then he came on the podcast to prove me wrong and i was like oh okay well you've you've got some chat like okay we can we can have a conversation but he embodies i mean this in this situation i don't know what he's been like with other girls but in that specific situation he embodies everything i fucking hate about dating in la which is treating dating as a business transaction.

You're not investing millions when you're committing to someone. You could break up with them two weeks later. It's going to be just as dramatic. This was the most dramatic breakup I've ever seen on a reality TV show. And it wasn't even a breakup. And it wasn't even a fucking breakup.

I know. So this is the thing with guys in la i don't want you to see anyone else i want to hook up with you but i don't want to commit but what does commitment mean yeah you're not getting engaged you're not getting married but you he's claiming you as his own because you can't hook up with other people really really fucking bugs me so um man up like yeah man the fuck up do you get what i'm saying totally agree it's not that big of a deal to call someone your girlfriend i know get over yourself who do you think you are but i want to know if any guys are listening i don't

know comment on sheena's podcast or on her instagram i don't fucking care i just want to know what is it that is so scary about calling someone your girlfriend. Right. I need to know. If you're invested in somebody enough to yell at them the way he did at you on the finale. Yeah. And like get so upset. It's like, well, then call her your girlfriend. You clearly care.

And also the whole time Adam never went on a date with anyone else, never hooked up with anyone else the entire time him and I were hooking up. He was never with anyone else. And he saw that as like, well, my actions and I'm like, okay, yeah, you're an actions person. I'm a words person. And I need you to use your words to tell me what you want and don't want. Because just because you're not sleeping with someone else isn't necessarily because you don't want to. Maybe there's no one else you're interested in. Maybe it's not convenient. Maybe the girl you like lives on the East Coast. I don't know why you're not sleeping with anyone else, but your words aren't telling me why. So those actions don't mean shit.

I mean, like they mean a little bit because I'm like, I mean, thank you for not, even though I did. But like, literally, I'm just like, I needed you to use your words to say even because when he said he was like. You know I mean like. Yeah it's like weird. It's like uncomfortable. But like I'm not ready to make a commitment.

But I also like don't want you getting with other guys. That was the only statement he ever said. Was I don't want you getting with other guys. That conversation was never elaborated on. He could have been like. Look Sheena. I'm so sorry that this is going to come off really fucking selfish. I'm not ready to commit. but I do care about you. I enjoy spending time with you.

I really just as selfish as it sounds do not want you dating anyone else or hooking up with anyone else. Then that's up to me to be like well fuck you. That's not fair to me. I'm going to do what I want to do. But I'm like you never used your words to say this to me. So it's not just about like what he wants, but it's also explaining to you why. And that's why I was like really digging into him when he came on my podcast.

I was like, but why? But why? But why? Because if there was a valid reason, like maybe he feels like maybe professionally he hasn't achieved what he wants and he feels maybe inferior to you. Like maybe there's an insecurity there.

You would have understood. Yeah. And it wouldn't have been so dramatic. so the fact that he's just saying those things and not giving you a reason is number one numero uno insulting number two confusing and number three comes across fuck boy like a fuck boyish agree and come on adam i, this is valid for you or anyone else that he's ever going to date. You need to man the fuck up. Like, and to be honest with you, I feel like maybe the reason why he's not sleeping with other people is because he's super shy.

Like, I don't feel like I feel like Adam's super smart, super good looking, super intelligent, but he doesn't have all that much game. Like he doesn't chat. He really doesn't. He's like not the type to sleep around whatsoever. Yeah. I feel like you have more game. So that's what I'm like. But that's just how all that much game. Like, he doesn't chat. He really doesn't. He's, like, not the type to sleep around whatsoever. Yeah, I feel like you have more game. So that's what I'm like, but that's just how you are in general. It's not like those actions because, like, you do only care about me and only want to be with me.

Even though you're not using your words like you're using your actions. It's like, no, but you just don't do that in general. So by you not being with anyone else while we're, like, not dating dating it doesn't really prove anything to me yeah I just thought of something what how funny that whenever we collaborate Adam we speak about I feel like I've become the official Adam and Sheena relationship expert it's always an Adam well there's definitely no relationship I mean but do you feel like it's so what happened after that, basically? So, I mean, we were very just off and on for the last like 10 months. I mean, we went to Iceland together and well, like October, we went to Vegas together.

We went back home. But how did you make up from this like instance at the engagement party? So I need the specifics. But how did you make up from this instance at the engagement party? I need the specifics. I also talk about this on the after show on BravoTV.com, so you guys can watch that as well. But the next day, so there's the engagement party. That night I went home with Lala.

We had a girl sleepover. I went home the next day, and I was just like, okay, what can I do? He is so mad at me. I gave him the the penguin that night which you guys didn't get to see but literally like his eyes she's such a bitch she hates him I hate Adam I always have well not always have

ever since he's came out and told everybody that he's just not going to be loyal but that's another thing anyway it's there's just a lot of whatever so anyway so i'm like you know grand gesture get him the penguin and whatever it was a charitable donation that i do not regret that i will support so 100 i gave it to him later that night at the engagement party because when he walked off he did come back we sat down again his eyes like lit up he was like

so happy about it but then you know the next day is still mad at me we had a whole spa day planned with like tom ariana katie tom like it was like this like couple-y type of spa day even though we're not a couple but we were all like getting couples massages and going to vota spa so it was already paid for in full non-refundable and i like, we're going to the spa day because we're not getting our money back. So like, just like put your shit aside. Like we've had this planned for a while. And that day I was just like, okay, what can I do? And I'm like, I know what means a lot to him is something like handwritten, not just a

text message, not an email. Like I went to the store, I got a card. I literally hand wrote all of my feelings, put it all out there. Did you tell him that you loved him? I always tell him I loved him. No, but like, was your love for him more than just friendship? Absolutely. She was fully in love with him.

At one point I was. I love that you admit that. Yeah, but I think he was too. And he was just too afraid to admit it. I agree. Oh, so when you asked him in the episode, do you love me? He said, no, look at what you did. And it was a no in spite of what you had done.

But at first he was like, don't do this, don't do this because he didn't want to answer it. But I'm like, up until we started sleeping together, we told each other we loved each other all the time. Like I tell my friends all of the time, would say it at the end of a phone call, he'd text it to me. It was like we we did for a year and a half now we're sleeping together and you think most people date for like two years before they tell each

other they love they love each other and it's like we've already said that and i'm like he would always be like yeah but now it's different like i don't want you to like think it's more and i'm like i'm not asking you to say you're in love with me i'm just saying you love me as a person as a friend you love me admit that and he was just like no don't do that no okay and then i'm not asking you to say you're in love with me. I'm just saying you love me as a person, as a friend. You love me. Admit that. And he was just like, no, don't do that. No.

And then I'm like, do you? And he says no. And I'm like, funny. I'm going to give you another chance. And he's like, I just said it. No. And I'm like, hold up. So you loved me a month ago, but now you don't.

Like, what the fuck changed? We slept together and then I slept with someone else. So now you just don't? When literally an hour before at the party, Schwartz was like, he's fully in love with you. He has feelings. He like is just really hurt.

How does Schwartz laugh? Blah, blah, blah. Because they had a conversation. I love how Schwartz like meddled in that. But he was like, I could just tell. And so I'm like,

shit, okay. And like friends of ours had been saying this ever since him and I like met each other. They're like, oh my God, Adam's so into you.

And I'm like, no, he's not. No, he's not. and I never was into him but then we both were but neither of us would admit it and it's like we were dating but we just said we weren't but I'm like so we go on dates we go on trips we sleep together we go to dinners we go to movies you guys were full-on dating yeah let's get the record straight yeah we did everything that people who date do but you said you didn't yeah because of adam yes he needed that technicality i mean it was it was both because i'm like look if you're not gonna commit and like if we're not gonna go all in like i'm 34 soon like i'm divorced i know i don't want to end up alone i'm keeping my options open

like i literally in the letter that i in the card I wrote him the next day, I put it all out there. And I'm like, what have we got to lose? You're my best friend. You're my favorite person to hang out with. Like, let's just do this and see what happens. If we break up, we break up. But what we're doing right now isn't working. If I may, I, if I may, where the fuck do I think I am?

It's a podcast. It's not a convention sorry um if I may I honestly though between us and however many people listen to this I feel like the reason why he he's so afraid is because how old is Adam he's a bit younger he'll be 30 next week oh I thought he was even younger than that. No. I thought he was way younger than me. He's my age. I guess he just talks that way.

Yes. Well, well, okay, well then he's very immature. But I was going to say, I thought he was like 26, 27.

No. Well, that's what he told me. Really? Did he lie? Maybe I got the, I mean, he's 29 for another week,

but his birthday's on Thursday. Well, I'm just going to say it anyway because he's acting like he's 24. But, you know, when you're a bit older as a girl and you've gone through stuff, I mean, you know, I'm a tiny bit younger than you, but I've lived through a lot of stuff and I've experienced heartbreak and all that stuff. When you commit to someone, you can be very excited. You could be very in love with them, but you also know that you'll be fine if you break up with them because you've gone through so much that it doesn't really

matter all that much if it doesn't work out. It's so easy for us to bounce back, especially when you've been through so much like yourself. And had he had the maturity to understand that he wouldn't have been so afraid to like commit to you i'm sounding like a fucking psychiatrist like a therapist i don't want to be a therapist but you know what i mean like i have broken up with so many people in the last couple of months because i just you know i'm just fine yeah like it's okay and that's what i said i was like why don't we just try this like all in boyfriend girlfriend see what happens if we break up we break up but what we're doing right now isn't working so like what we're just gonna keep being friends who sleep together and then fight when i go on a date with someone else because you

don't want to date me even though we're dating like what so he came to the spa trip yes and everything started to like turn around for us so like things were better we were working on it I wasn't talking to anyone else but then like you know a month goes by and nothing's changing you still won't commit no so what did I do I again went on a date with someone else. And then he gets mad at me for that. I did this a few times because I'm like, still, like, we just kept, like, going back to each other. And then, like, not breaking up because we were never together. But it was very off and on.

And the whole time, he wasn't dating anyone else. Why? I don't know. But I was. Because I know I don't want to be alone for the rest of my life. I also know I'm not ready to be in a relationship right now. Because, I mean, not anymore. Now I am over him, thank God. But at the time, he was my number one.

He was the only person I did want to be with. So I'm like, look, as much as I keep saying I don't want to be in a relationship, I also don't want to be with anyone else. I just keep going on dates just to see, like, well, stick like I don't know yeah but he was the only person I was willing to just be like okay because he was the person I wanted more than anyone right but it did he just couldn't you just wanted a relationship with him you didn't want a relationship which is like girls our age like we don't want a relationship we want a relationship with the right person yes and that was so,

it's so frustrating me, all these people being like, oh my God, you're so desperate, you're pathetic, you're this. And I'm like, no,

it was just Adam. Do you think I'm like that with every guy I date? No. No, I have three guys who would be my boyfriend tomorrow if I wanted them to be.

I don't want just a boyfriend. I don't want a relationship just to be in a relationship. But I think it's because in, I always play devil's advocate, so hate me, kill me, whatever. But you know, in previous seasons, we've seen you always very's because I always play devil's advocate. So hate me, kill me, whatever. But, you know, in previous seasons, we've seen you always very excited because I feel like you're the kind of person when you decide that you want to care for someone, you give them your all.

So we've seen you so excited about all these other boyfriends. But we haven't really seen you just being happy being yourself. You always were upset because of another guy so maybe people are perceiving you that way because yet again you are here trying to make someone happy and they don't fucking deserve it and i think too like on the show you know that your dating life is such a storyline that they want to see that so they you know you don't often see yourself alone or just being with your girlfriends and stuff because the show wants to show your dating life because i feel like in obviously in real life you're fine being by yourself i'm always you hang and that's what yeah you love girls nights you i mean and so you don't see that necessarily on the show because they want to show you you know they want to film your date

yeah look at how totally go back to season one How did the show come about? It was about your dating life. Literally. The first argument we've ever seen on Vanderpump Rules was you and Stassi because you made a bad call on the guy that you decided to date. Right. So, I mean, yeah, it's a storyline. And they're using it over and over again. Right. But, you know, I mean, I haven't hung out with you so much behind the scenes.

But you're always with your girls. And you have a lot of, like, gay best friends. You have a lot of guy friends. You have, like, they just seem to just show this about you. And one of the things that I always remind people, too, and they're like, oh, my God, you always need a man. Like, you're so desperate and like this and that. And I'm like, first of all, OK, all of you guys, like everyone else in, else and like that group of friends of mine you guys are all in relationships you all live together you all have that I sleep alone every night I go home alone like I'm not in a relationship so

for you to say like I need to be more independent and not rely on a man I'm not I'm alone every night just because I want that attention or I want to have sex with someone it's like yeah like I I do like that but I also sleep alone every night and also a lot of people don't watch a lot of people watching I mean I'm sure a lot of them are in LA but if you're not from LA if you don't make a point to meet up with someone or be with someone it's a very lonely city like you're alone it's not just like I mean I'm from London and I could just step out of my house and I would bump into people and they'd be like, come have a drink, come here and oh, text me tomorrow. We'll go for lunch. But you don't bump into people like that. Yeah. People have their guard up. They don't want to meet new people, no new friends. Yeah. And that's something that I found very hard about

living here. And I know that you're a reality star and, you know, you have all this shit going for you. But at the end of the day, normal human walking around LA, it's a very lonely city. So, you know, just wanting a significant other is actually quite normal in a place like this. And it's literally impossible. But it's like the way it looks. Like, I mean, doorman last season did not help me at all. What's that? Her ex.

We just call him doorman now? He was a doorman before he was on Vanderpump Rules. Now he says he runs a business. Yeah, that person. I'm just name you can i just rob doorman was he a doorman yes the doorman at nice guy before he got on liaison and i met him at joseph's like 13 years ago when he was can we put it out there because it's not been explicitly put out there you know that holiday home that you guys went to whose is it it's his family's his parents yeah okay so it's like a family house like the kids each have like a share or whatever but okay it's his parents house cool yes so um ran into him and his new girlfriend at neon carnival this past weekend at stagecoach that was super fun were her kids there oh yeah She has kids? Oh, yeah. Apparently she has kids.

Oh, my gosh. I was going to tell you something so random. What? So I have a friend who just launched his YouTube channel. And he's doing really well so far. And he got an email for a partnership about some documentary. And it was... Stop it.

And the guy that they were meant to send this email to was Rob. No way. I don't fucking know how this ended up happening. And I was going to text you and tell you, but then I was like, fuck it. Maybe she's going through something with Adam. I'm not going to stop bringing up Rob. But, like, can you imagine? This is the most random thing ever.

I was just like. That's crazy. Yeah. For him to be a part of this, like, show. Uh-huh. I guess now, like, they to be a part of this show. Uh-huh. I guess now they're doing a show or something together. The guy who trashes reality TV who says he's doing it. Of course.

Yeah. That's my biggest pet peeve, I think, with people around the show is that when people are like, oh, I don't watch it. I'm like, I do. I'm a huge fan. I love the show. I hate when people try to pretend like, oh, oh like i don't watch it i'm like i do i'm a huge fan i love the show i hate when people like try to pretend like oh no like i don't watch like i'm like like they're better than it or yeah whatever else i'm like it's a great show it's so entertaining

it's there's no shame in being a fan i mean hello the reason why i'm sitting here today is because i was a fan of the show and instead of looking at me like a random psycho she knows like you can come on. It's not bad. Reality TV is a guilty pleasure and if you're not using it as a coping mechanism, I don't know what the fuck you're doing.

Right. You must be doing some twisted shit. So the other night, one of my favorite TV actresses, oh my God, we got to like reach out to her team

and get her on shenanigans. Her name is Camila Luddington. She's on Grey's Anatomy. She's British. Oh, she's so pretty. Gorgeous. Oh oh my gosh i'm obsessed with she's the one who dates karev in the show yes uh-huh so she is my favorite like ever since the first day she was on that show she's just been my favorite my favorite and she tweeted me the other night she's like let's stop with the she's just crazy narrative and call out the possessive non-committal guy for once and i was like i'm reading this and i'm like drunk we're like bowling and i'm reading it and i was like wait janet i'm like hold on because it was like a really long tweet i'm like this is positive for

me right like she's like saying good things but i was so excited because i'm like i've watched every single episode of that show and she's my fave so you know you guys are like you guys are um on vanderbilt are celebrities but i feel like you still live a very like chill, like you don't see yourselves as like better than. No, not at all. Which I love. But so what was a starstruck moment for you when you like got a tweet? Has a celebrity ever tweeted you and you were like, oh my gosh. I mean, like that was one of them just because I had tweeted her like four years ago and she favorited it and responded. And I was like, oh my God, oh my God, like, I had tweeted her, like, four years ago. And she favorited it and responded. And I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God.

Like, I love her. She's one of my favorite TV actresses. Right. And the fact that she watches Vanderbilt Rules and actually knows who I am and tweeted me, I was like, oh, my God. So you still get that way. Yeah. Like, when it's someone I'm a fan of, like, Miley fucking Cyrus. Yeah.

Like, that, I mean. So that was another one. Yes. So our little sisters are friends. So I met Miley a couple years ago at Noah Cyrus and Liam's joint birthday party. Right. And kept in touch with some of her friends and then

recently they wanted to go to Tom Tom. So we met her at Tom Tom and I like walk in and she's like Sheena. Oh my gosh. Like can we play good as gold. And I was like what. She's like I love that song. She was so cool. like, can we play Good as Gold? And I was like, what? She's like, I love that song. She was so cool. I was like, no, no, no. Miley Cyrus loves Good as Gold.

Like, what? Good as Gold is iconic, I feel like. Now it's become a thing. It's a bop. Yeah, it's amazing. But so like, of course, like, I mean, I've watched Miley Cyrus since she was 12 years old on Hannah Montana. Yeah.

I never missed an episode of that with my little sister. Yeah. That was like our thing. She'd get home from school, would watch Hannah Montana. Yeah. I never missed an episode of that with my little sister. Yeah. That was like our thing. She'd get home from school, would watch Hannah Montana. So like, I mean, that's probably been the biggest one for me because I've been a fan of hers for so long. Yeah. And we ended up hanging out that entire night and just like totally clicked, exchanged numbers. She followed me on Instagram. I was like, this is like crazy. This is amazing. Miley's so down to earth. Like, like you said about the Vanderbilt people, not, you know, thinking they're better than

anyone else. Someone like Miley Cyrus, like who's a huge pop icon. She was the most down to earth person I've ever met celebrity wise. Yeah. I've never interviewed her. So kind. She was even like saying things about like, you know, like people who have to fly private everywhere.

She's like, I fucking fly coach. Yeah. Like she's Miley Cyrus and she she's like i'm not above flying coach she's like i hate when my when my security and people don't want let me go to the grocery store alone she's like i love just being able to go places alone i'm like you could not go to trader joe's alone you are miley cyrus yeah she's like 100 million followers like how do you do it but she was so kind and down to earth and fun. Like, just, like, normal. Yeah. Like, I think, like, when she, like, was going through that phase with, you know, like, the

whole movement she was doing and she shaved her head and was, like, on the VMAs with Robin Thicke and all of that. Yeah. But it's, like, she's a performer. Like, she was just, like, putting on a show for everyone and getting attention. And the Happy Hippie Foundation, like, blew up after all of that. Yeah. So it was, like, she's still's still like I think people think like,

oh my God, she's so crazy. She shaved her head. She did this. No, no. She is like one of the most normal down to earth celebrities ever. Well, I feel like what she did was kind of the similar thing that Lady Gaga did back in the day. You know, it was just like a persona around the performances.

Totally. Yeah. But hers were like more heavily sexual, which is cool. You know, the fake dildo thing kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But I thought it was a cool idea nonetheless. But, you know, I used to be a performer as well back in the day. And a lot of the times I got hate for, you know, wearing lingerie on things and stuff. And, you know, I'm literally just the jewish girl who like would not do that in

real life do you know what i mean it's just performing yeah and you you've probably done the same as well like because you you sing now you perform when you did i think i remember you doing like a super raunchy performance on stage and oh totally and but like you're not the girl at the club who's like gonna take her clothes off and jump in the splits and be like what up guys no it's like everybody has their erica everybody has their erica jane yeah oh my gosh i love erica i love her so much i saw her at coachella she walked in and it's just like she's just like a star yeah she steals the show when she walks in i mean her hair she had these two like knot buns and like these big old like platform silver sneakers and this t-shirt dress.

And like I was just staring at her and I'm like, wait, you're a real person. Yeah. Her style is unbelievable. It's insane. She's got real star quality. Like even if she wasn't talented or wasn't a performer, like she has it. Do you know what I mean? Some people just have it.

Yeah. And she can carry herself so well as like this like high-powered lawyer wife you know and then also just like get down and literally pat the puss like but like to be able to like have that whole range of possibilities to be like the buttoned up wife or like literally the girl on stage tapping her vagina but that is literally the perfect representation of what we're saying you know there's concepts around performing and the performances and a lot of people don't understand that but she represents that whole concept super well. Because she is like really intelligent and can really carry herself and have a great conversation.

What were we saying about dating? Right? Okay, back to dating in LA. It's terrible. It sucks. Are you on dating apps? Nope. None.

Have you ever been on one? Yes. I tried Hinge for a week and then I saw Adam on it. I was going to say, did you match with Adam? No, I didn't match with him. What about Max? Who's Max? From TomTom. Manager from TomTom. He's on Hinge. I don't know who Max is. Oh, okay. Am I supposed to know who he is? No. Okay. What's your worst date or dating story from LA? Ooh, shit. I'm really being put on the spot here. You're going to have to share yours too. This is girl chat.

I know mine. Where do I start? I don't really have. You know what? I haven't actually really dated all that much in LA. I was in a relationship. A traumatic relationship. And that didn't end well.

So like. And also when I go on a date. I play it very safe. If someone's like let's go bowling. I'm like no thanks. I'm not doing that. I'm five. I'm five three., I play it very safe. If someone's like, let's go bowling, I'm like, no thanks. I'm not doing that. I'm 5'3". I'm not wearing bowling shoes.

Sorry. No thanks. And also, yeah, like, no thank you. But I don't know. And when I do go on dates, I feel like I'm always carrying the conversation, which makes me sound like such an asshole. But it's the truth. Like, I feel like I have a lot of chat and i feel like i'm not getting it back so it i don't know what's your worst i had a guy um this back when i was single i was on bumble or one of those and he

asked me if i wanted to get a drink like meet and get a drink we had been talking for a little while you know this person don't say his name um who is it we went on a date or so he asked me to go meet him and to go on a date and he is a thursday night at like 8 p.m he's like let's go grab a drink somewhere so he picks me up he then proceeds to take me to starbucks yeah and so i'm like i don't say you i'm like kind of dressed up thinking we're gonna go to like a cute bar or you know it's something i mean grab a drink or a coffee he said grab a drink so i'm like dressed up thinking we're going to go to like a cute bar or, you know, it's something, I mean, grab a drink or a coffee. He said, grab a drink. So I'm like, you know, thinking we're going to go to a nice bar or something and, or maybe

get an appetizer or something. But we go to Starbucks and then he sat on his phone across from me the whole time and didn't say anything. And I was also like, what am I going to order? It's 8 PM. Like, I'm not trying to have an espresso and be up all night. Like I was hoping to get a cocktail and go to bed. And so we went, yeah, we went to Starbucks and he sat there on his phone the whole time. And I was like, this is, I'm never, I was like, I'm never, I literally

say something. I would have said, I basically just like got, got it over with as quickly as possible. Chugged my drink and was like, all right, well, that was great. Uh, and I came back home and I told my roommate, I was like, I am never going to talk or see that person ever again. And now he's a really good friend. That's hilarious. Do I know who you're talking about? But you know. Did you call him out?

Were you like, what the fuck was that about? No, I've never said anything. So then now we've been friends since. And I still kind of want to be like, dude, never take a girl to Starbucks for a first date. Wait, so Sheena, I want to know with you, because what is it like dating? And like dating as a reality TV personality? Are you on dating?

Like, how does it happen for you? See, I'm just very anti-dating apps because I think they're so superficial. It's just like hot or not. I feel like you would thrive on them. A hundred percent. Yeah. I feel like I do well enough on my own.

I already have enough shit going on with guys that. But you're picky. I'm very picky. You have so many guys. Can I just say, if you have any leftovers, send them my way. No, I'm joking. Do you want Adam? Just kidding.

Trust me, you don't. I already, I'm not going to say this on the podcast. You can say it. No, I can't. Okay. You're going to be mad at me if I say it. No. Do you edit these?

Yeah. I can. Oh, I already got an insight into... It was a joke. Don't send anyone my way, especially not if they're from LA. Please. But so how does it work for you? See, so I either have gone on dates with other guys like Carl or, like Carl or, like, people, like, on reality shows

who kind of get the business and, like, understand. Because when I hang out with someone who's not in it, it's, they either feel, like, insubordinate or, like, it's just, it's so frustrating because I'm, like, I don't see myself as better than anyone. I'm just a normal person who happens to be on a television show. But, like like I feel like certain guys are so intimidated by that and it's frustrating so it's like I feel like I kind of have to date in my realm or like an athlete or like someone semi in the entertainment industry because like

the normal dudes it's just like I don't know. And don't you feel like when you go on a day with a normal dude the conversation becomes only about that. Yeah usually because I mean I'm not a reality tv personality but i work in entertainment and whenever i you know meet someone new they always ask me so many questions about who i've interviewed and what this is and what that is because it's so

unusual for them right then i feel like it just the whole conversation becomes about that and you don't want to talk about work when you're on a date. And you then really don't get to know the person for who they really are. I mean, who you've interviewed isn't who you are. Exactly. And it really fucking bugs me because when I go on a date, people will be like, well, interview me then. And it's like, well, are you willing to pay me my daily rate

because I'm not about to be at work on a fucking date, right? Interesting. It's so annoying. Yeah. I feel like you would thrive at dating apps though because you're so picky you're like the jerry seinfeld of dating like you're like sorry his eyebrows are like a little bit too high i'm like what is that even a thing for a week try for a week i i'm just like i've so been against it that she's too stubborn she's a tourist i think i'm just too stubborn to like like, give in. But do you feel like people, do you still have that mentality of, like, if I'm on a dating app, I'm desperate?

Um, a little bit, I think. And no offense to anyone who is on them. I just think for me, I would feel that way. I like meeting people the old-fashioned way or through, like, a friend. Because then it's like, you know, you get a little insight on them. Like, I just met a really cool, cute guy at Stagecoach this past weekend. We have mutual friends. They have all said amazing things about him. So I'm like, okay, I mean, maybe we're just going to be friends.

Maybe we go on a date. I don't know. We, like, all hung out in a group the other night. Like, we all went bowling. We had so much fun. And I'm like, even if we're just friends, like, I already know you're a good person because I met you. You've had that connection. Through other good people. Like a real connection.

So, I mean, that's kind of how I like to meet people or, you know, I mean, through this job. Like, I mean, I've gone on dates with guys I've interviewed. Like, after the podcast, it's like, okay, well, do you want to get dinner next week? Like, sometimes that works too. But I don't know. I would go on a dating show in a heartbeat before I would go on a dating app. I want her to have her own dating show, not the bachelorette.

I want her to do, I want to be her own. I think you need your own one. I think you need your own. But I feel like it's too fake for you, the bachelorette. And you need mama to be like your, like guiding light.

She needs to be on it. I loved Shima. No, but seriously. Oh, hello. Sorry. No, but so, so you, so you won't go on a dating app.

What's your worst date that you've had? Wait, okay, because I feel like so. Can I do this by the way? Yeah, you can do whatever you want here. I feel like, I don't know, like I was in a relationship for so long and then like Adam and I were hanging out for so long that it's like I've dated in between. But I mean like when I was in Vegas, it was like, I mean we didn't really go on dates.

It's like we just get a drink after our show because any guy like dated or went on dates with like was also in a show in Vegas. So that was always just like a late night bite or drink. I mean you would know better than I was just trying to think i was like when have you come home and like complained about somebody or something but like i think i've gone on a lot of good dates just with someone who i click with as more of a friend like this one guy who we're both like good friends with we went on quite a few dates and every date was amazing we clicked great conversation one of my favorite people to hang out with.

But at the end of the day, it just was missing something for me. For him, it wasn't. He was like, let's do this. And I'm like, we're missing one thing and I can't change that. It was probably that his eyebrows were too high or low. Literally, she'd have to find something. Are you shallow like that? I used to be.

I used to be. With certain things things you can be i just here's the thing if i'm gonna be with one person for the rest of my life i want to love everything about them i don't want to compromise and be like well this bothers me but maybe i'll get used to it one day like i feel like when it is the right person it's just gonna be right i'm not gonna pick apart little things because like i mean with adam i mean the worst thing about him was what his his temper i mean it was like there weren't like give you a list of other things that are wrong with it i know but that's why like i was willing to take that the next step and see

where it went because there wasn't anything about him that it wasn't like i don't feel i feel like you're i feel like you're i mean correct me if i'm wrong um if you have that instant chemistry with someone even if they had a unibrow you probably wouldn't see it exactly you would never look past a unibrow i would never i would pluck that shit i would wax that shit and laser it off i would not let that fly no but i'm just saying like if you have that instant chemistry, it's like if you don't have the chemistry and there's things that bug you, they're going to bug you forever. But if this guy is not physically your type but there is that chemistry, you kind of look past it.

But so maybe the reason why you're just picky is because you haven't found that person that you really connect with. Yeah, and there's, like, people that, like, all connect with this person in this way and this person in this way i'm like why can't i just morph you together like you i don't want to have sex with but we have great conversation i love hanging out with you so much fun this person i only want to have sex with but like do you feel like you're so picky because you have so many options no yes you do i mean i'm i'm divorced rob really did a number on me adam that really fucked me up i'm still like shook yeah like i'm not and especially when just watching it

this week like i have said though i'm like it was very cathartic watching it back and reassuring that like okay no that is not meant to be even fucking tyler henry told me to cut the cord with adam he's not the person for me i really had high hopes for you guys like when you told me that you guys had reconnected i was like that's so cute yeah i like i don't know how to explain i felt like his energy i mean i don't like we don't need to go there if you don't want me to but his energy was very kind of calm and you're more you're more high energy yeah and i felt like his energy is a good balance for you and i'm not saying that he's the right person for you because obviously his lack of commitment and lack of um initiative is completely not right for you

especially someone like you but that kind of energy yeah would good for you. And that's what I've dated before. Like, I mean, my ex-husband was very just like mellow, chill. It was like it was a good balance. No, he was too chill. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I don't think I could be with someone who is like center of attention. Like always like way.

Like a top. Yeah. Like I feel like I do need that balance with someone. But also it's so hard because what i do for a living like i don't have the luxury of a private life so the next person i date has to be okay with their private life becoming public whether it's on the show or not social media like people are gonna things like that and that was the thing with adam was like when we were friends like we posted together and stuff all the time but then after we started hooking up it was like he would almost get like low-key annoyed when I would want

to like post a story but then I'm like yeah but people like and I don't care what other people say it's your job to kind of let people in yeah but also I'm like you know like people have noticed they're like why haven't you posted with Adam in a few weeks like is everything okay and I'm like just do a story with me but like he would start to get like annoyed with it and I'm like I can't be with someone who gets annoyed when I want to post an Insta story with them. Yeah. Especially because every fucking person posts Instagram stories. Yeah.

And like, I want to be with someone who's proud to show me off and wants to post me because that's the world we live in. This vain, superficial 2019 social media world. But it's like, it wasn't like that with him. Like he would like post photos with me, but he wasn't really a big like story poster anyways. But it's like it wasn't like that with him like he would like post photos with me

but he wasn't really a big like story poster anyways but it's just like there just were so many red flags and i just feel like right now i really need to continue working on myself and my career and i know if i do date someone right now that's going to be a distraction because i put them first i put them above me my career i just bought a freaking house. Congrats. I saw that. Thank you. I move in tomorrow. It's amazing. Are you going to be there full time? No, it's too far. Okay. Um, I renewed my lease already for another year in Marina, but I don't know. I mean, maybe next year, you know, I go stay out there for a few months. Maybe I do something else with the house, like a different type of show or i don't know like who knows where our lives are going to be i mean we're not even officially like season eight

like announced picked up yet so it's like we still like don't know yeah so i'm just an investment either way yeah exactly but i'm like you know i i've wanted to buy a house for a couple years now i thought about buying one in vegas but then i'm like when i go to vegas i like staying in the casinos and in the hotels and unless i'm gonna do another show there and live there i don't think i would use it enough and i don't think i would rent it out enough but like palm springs is close enough but far enough so it's like a home away from home i was i was gonna add to what you said and then I also just remembered that I did go on a terrible date. Okay. I feel like this is going to be a great

content. Yeah. I feel like yeah we do live in a superficial world and just because you put your relationship out there in a superficial way doesn't mean that behind closed doors your relationship is superficial. Yeah. And I think that if you found a guy that was okay with that it would be maybe

a better match. I think maybe Adam got it wrong. Just because you put it out there for people to see doesn't make the relationship superficial. It just makes it a part of your public life, which, you know, your public life may be superficial, but you do have some parts of your life that are not superficial. Totally. Enough being a preacher because they know the fuck out of me. I hate myself right now. I did go on a terrible date.

Tell me. You're both staring at me. Do tell. Do tell. So I actually at one point in my life had decided that I was going to embark on a fitness journey. It didn't last long. And so I went to Equinox and I was like, I'm going to get a personal trainer. La-di-da. and so I went to Equinox and I was like I'm gonna get a personal trainer and so this personal trainer that I was like I'm an ex-dancer I'm injured like I kind of have to be careful and they were like this guy this guy trains a lot of dancers he's gonna be great for

you so I start like training with this guy he's so cute whatever and then I start making friends with him and making friends with the other trainers at Equinox because I went a couple of times I think I went like four or five times so I became like friends with them we'd get drinks whatever and then this guy is like oh well we should grab a drink or something and I and I was just kind of like I mean I don't really feel comfortable doing that I mean I don't have my Equinox membership anymore because if i can i feel like it's just really weird and unprofessional and he was like no i don't work there anymore and i was like cool whatever so i didn't want to go but then my manager at the time was like diana you need to go you literally never go out on a date so i go and we have a drink and

then he's like oh my roommate which also worked at equinox i was friends with was like his home should we go and watch a movie and i was like yeah cool whatever so we all go we watch a movie and then mid movie he's like do you prefer me shaved or unshaved and i'm like were you talking about his face yeah okay okay sorry i had to ask hadn't gone no i haven you heard? I'm like the Virgin Mary of the Citrus. I don't sleep with guys. Amazing. No, not amazing. She was like, fuck that. Opposite. Not amazing. And so he's like, oh, whatever.

He goes to the bathroom. He comes back and he's like, I shaved. And his face was still scruffy? No. No. Just because I told him, oh no, because he was like, what do you prefer me with? And I was like, oh, no. No. Just because I told him, oh, no, because he was like, what do you prefer me with? And I was like, shaved.

So then he was a few minutes later, he's like, I'm going to the bathroom. And mid-date, he went and shaved his face. He went and shaved his face. That is so weird. It could have been weirder. He could have shaved his balls. Right? That's why I'm like, wait, did he still have the beard?

I don't know. I had never seen his balls. But all I know is that he went and shaved. I mean. That's weird. Honestly, like, I've been on dates where guys are like, I really don't know. I had never seen his balls. But all I know is that he went and shaved. I mean. That's weird. Honestly, like, I've been on dates where guys are like, I really don't like it when you wear a lipstick. And I would go to the bathroom and reapply the red lipstick. Yeah.

Don't fucking do that. Well, how did you react when he came back? I left. I was like, well, you know. You're like, sorry you wasted that shave, but I got to go. Speaking of shaving, I got to go shave my bikini. Not for you. For nobody.

But yeah, I just thought it was too creepy. That's weird. It's so fucking weird. I'm opposite. I'm like, call me when that shit grows back out. I love beards. I need facial hair. I love it.

Have you seen Adam without his scruff? He looks like a completely different person. Yeah, he looks like a child. Yeah. I've seen him. But it's just like, he's like adorable, but like not like sexy and hot. What's your type? What do you like?

Not Adam. I like like tall, dark, and handsome. Like the guy I went on the date with, Ethan, he's my type. What's your type, Jenna? I like brown boys. What's brown boys? I like like Middle Eastern, Indianian half black guys yeah i also yeah i love me a light-skinned dude okay yeah not even light-skinned i just i like black guys too

you like black guys okay cool yeah so either like tall dark and handsome or a black guy okay yeah adam is not my type that's what's so funny is i'm like how did i catch feelings for this dude who was like literally not my type that's i'm like maybe I should see where this goes because this is not my typical type but I have feelings but they're gone now anyway this has been fun great thank you this is so fun dating in LA I know right don't even go there don't bother don't try you know what I could give you the motivational comment speech whatever don't fucking do it. No, don't do it. All right.

Tell everyone where they can find you and listen to your podcast. Thank you. So you can find me on Instagram because I'm superficial like that. Amazing. And it's at Deanna Espia, D-I-A-N-A-E-S-P-I-R. And you can find me on the You Can't Sit With Me podcast on every podcasting platform. Love it. Boom.

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