Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Divorced Not Dead with Caroline Stanbury

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

In this episode, Scheana talks with Caroline Stanbury all about her return to reality TV with the launch of The Real Housewives of Dubai.  She shares what it's like living in Dubai and the reasons why she absolutely loves it. Caroline also talks about her divorce and how she met her current husband, Sergio. They also talk about dating younger men and how money simply can't buy love. Be sure to check out Caroline Stanbury's podcast, "Divorced Not Dead".  Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans   Go to www.talkspace.com and use code shay during sighn-up to get $100 off your first month   Go to www.phdfemininehealth.com/win and get 20% off all products use code scheana   Go to www.apostrophe.com/shay and use code shay to get your first dermatologist-crafted plan for five dollars   Go to www.elvie.com/shay and get your hands on the Elvie Stride   Produced by Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and mental wellness to social media and entrepreneurship. Tune in to Note to Self every week for the sisterly advice you didn't know you needed and raw conversations you've always wanted. from vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between it's time to catch up with sheena shea this is shenanigans and now here's your host, Sheena Shea. Hello, hello, everyone. We are getting back into some shenanigans with the golden Dubai housewife, it's Caroline Stanbury. How are you? So excited to come on. Very, very good. Reporting live from New York. Yeah. Okay. So New York, not Dubai. Are you doing a Watch What Happens Live?

I've just done it. Yes. I was on with Dorit yesterday. Oh, nice. I can't wait to watch it. So it is so good to see you back on our TVs on Bravo with the most amazing tagline. In the city of gold, nothing shines brighter than me. I love it. I think you are good as gold and I am so happy to have you here. Thank you for having me. Yeah. I mean, that's quite a tagline, but I guess it's a bit of fun. It's very housewives. Oh, totally. No, but it's so good. You're a star and I can't wait to get into some shenanigans with you. I was just listening to your podcast with Sergio, the Toy Boy episode. And if y'all haven't listened to it, Caroline has an awesome podcast with Dear Media called Divorce Not Dead. And I just loved listening to this episode because you definitely

get more of an insight into your relationship. Obviously, we've only had a couple episodes of the new season of Real Housewives of Dubai air. So unless you follow you on social media, you listen to your podcast, you wouldn't really know too much about Sergio yet other than what you've seen for two episodes. So I kind of want to talk about him a little, how y'all met for those who don't know. And then just get into it um I met Sergio I think now three and a bit years ago I'm terrible with dates times numbers um but uh he was in my audience I was doing a podcast live uh tour with the live nation and he was in my audience in Newport Beach and I've never been to Newport Beach before. No way.

No. And he'd just come back from playing soccer in Europe and it was his first night back. And I think someone must have told him there'd be a ton of 40-year-old women in rooms. So I think he probably knew what was going on. Okay. Wow. Okay. So Newport Beach. I love that. All right. So you've been together about three and a half years. And who was the first? Was it when I was just listening to your podcast? I know you said there was an article that came out, but who was the first to label him a toy boy? And for those who don't know, can you explain a little what that is? And did it bother you at first? Do you take it as a compliment now? How did that all come about?

Sergio is 18 years younger than me, I think. And I mean, obviously, it's not normal this way around. It's more normal for men. It's not more normal for women so I think you know everyone has preconceptions of what our relationship is and how it works um but I do think having had the time and people that follow us on YouTube and on Instagram they kind of see um how it works and why it works but I think you know he'll always be my toy boy won't he even when he's 50 he's gonna be my toy so I used, you know, he'll always be my toy boy, won't he? And even when he's 50, he's going to be my toy boy. So I used to, you know, it's meant to insult. I do know that,

but we actually don't care. So it doesn't really insult us. And actually, he wears it with a badge of honor now. I mean, he's married me. I think when you're not married, maybe you find it a bit insulting. Now he's married. He's like, okay, I'm a married toy boy. So I'm good. So did he propose or did you? And how did that happen? Oh my God. Sergio did everything. As always, he was the first kiss, the first I love you proposal. He's really... Sergio, this thing about Sergio, and I think I had more wobbles dating Sergio than Sergio had with me. Because know, because I am so much older. I've got three kids. I didn't want to do kids again and all of this stuff.

I wasn't really looking for a wedding. I've just got out of an 18-year marriage. So I just wanted to have some fun. And Sergio, I think he never wavered. He knew what he wanted. He went for it and he never stopped until he got it. And that's what I respect about Sergio. So when, you know, all the shit came to him about the age difference or, you know, he's

is he, you know, is it for real? Am I paying for him? All of these things. He never gave up. You know, he was determined. And now I think people really see that it's for real. I love that. Well, I definitely see that. And just from listening to your podcast, I see so many similarities in my relationship with yours. So I'm listening to this and I'm

like, oh my God, I can totally relate. So I hope other women out there who are dating younger men as well can also relate. And he's five years younger than me, but I've dated 12 years younger than me when I was single before him. So I'm like, oh girl, been there, done that. And you know what? Good on us. Like, yeah, let's be a cougar. There's nothing bad about that.

No, and I don't understand why we, as I said, get it in the neck. It's like, I actually think, and I've thought about it long and hard, that, you know, Sergio is the best man for me. I couldn't be with someone who's set in his ways, or I have to fit into his life, or, you know, isn't easygoing. Sergio is so easygoing. And he's just full of love and kindness. And I think it's, you know, I think people just mistake that for weakness. And actually, it's a sign of actual, you know, strength to be able to show your emotions as a man and tell a woman you love them. And I find it sad that, you know, in this day and age, we try and beat that out of men. And, you know, Sergio is and does still today,

you know, declare his undying love for me all day long. Like I promise you, and this is no exaggeration, if he doesn't tell me he loves me between 30 to 50 times a day, every day, he'll just be, he'll be reading his, you know, phone or doing something else. You don't even know he's looking at you. He goes, you just hear him go, love you, love you. And it's just so cute. You know, like he just does

automatically. He just wants you to know all the time. And it's so funny because I'm just not needy like that, but I'm now I'm so used to it. Well, I love that. Yeah. And you deserve that after 18 years of marriage and a divorce, this is exactly what you deserve. We all deserve it. We all deserve it. And, you know, I mean, I've, I watched you go through some pretty shitty relationships and I think, you know, when you're begging a man to be with you and that's, you know, when we all get this sort of thing to hang on. And I always say, you can't hold onto someone by holding onto someone. And, and that is something that is something that younger girls maybe need to learn. And I've certainly been in your position before. And it makes you know, when you when you're in love with

someone, you can't make them love you. I always say, you know, money can buy you everything. Love. Yeah, you know, it's, you know, sad to see that whatever way or however and wherever you find love that we shouldn't just grab it. It doesn't matter what it looks like. It's hard enough to find it. Yeah, that's so true. And that is a really good point. Money can buy you everything, but it can't buy you love. So that person. Yeah, no, that's that's so true. I feel that you have that with Sergio. I have that with Brock and good on us for having our toy boys, you know? So six years you've been in Dubai now? Almost seven, I think. from living in the UK to living in Dubai. I've heard that you're not allowed to swear there. You can get fined or go to jail,

but then we're watching the show and it's like, fuck this and this and that. So what are some of the biggest differences? And is that just a myth? Because I think for those who have never been to Dubai, you hear all of these things, but unless you've been, unless you know someone who's been there,

you don't really know what's true. It's respect. Of course you can swear, but you can't swear at someone. So you can't give the bird. If you give the bird, you can be fined or take, you know, a police report can be given.

If I did it to another British person, I don't think it would ever go anywhere, to be honest. It's about parties, right? So, you know, you just have to keep your mouth shut. But, you know, it's much more open now. It's things like, you can't swear at someone in public. But, you know, all of those things we're doing in our own home. And it's not like you're dragged to jail and you don't get out for 20 years. It's nothing. I think you hear one story out of a million good things,

and it just rams something home to you all because you don't know anything about the Middle East, and it's one terrible story out of years and years you hear nothing. And that's the truth. The thing I – everyone always starts with what we can't do let me tell you what we can do and I can live without fear any fear and it's like if I lose one of my children in a shopping mall I don't even think twice like literally I mean and it sounds crazy because if I lost my child in a shopping mall here, I would have a heart attack on the spot.

Like there, I'd be like, I would continue my meal and say, I'll go look for them in half an hour or they'll find their way back. I can, if I leave my handbag stuffed with cash in a shopping mall and I could leave it for three hours and go back and every penny would be in it. leave it for three hours and go back and every penny would be in it. And that's a fact. If I put my, you know, I can, I, nobody locks their doors, nobody, nothing. The safety aspect of the way we live is, you know, that I'm sorry, like the crime in this country has gone bananas. You can't even sit outside and have a nice lunch in the, you know, and with, with your jewelry on. There you can

dress in whatever you want. Everyone wears jewelry, watches, fast cars. You can leave your Lamborghini outside a restaurant with the keys in. No one would think twice. Wow. I mean, I can't even imagine what that feels like to just have that amount of security and safety. Because I mean, you know it's it's the opposite we were on the beach the other day and some friends had come to visit us and my husband took off his whatever you know huge watch I can't remember which one it was but anyway big gold watch and left it on the sunbed and went for a swim just on top of the towel and my my friends were going what what are you doing we're on a busy like busy busy beat she's like oh no no one's gonna take it wow didn't even hide it under the towel we just left it on top oh my gosh that's amazing I was at Tom Tom recently in West Hollywood I left my purse

at the table with my friends for two minutes I came back and my purse was still there, but my credit cards were missing. And I'm like, it was at the table with my friends. Crazy. So we don't have that. And that's, you know, for me, my children grow up in a different way. My kids are 12. My boys are 12. And I let my boys go out, walk around town at 10, 10, 11 o'clock at night. Sometimes, you know, on the weekends, they go off with their friends. I mean, there's no way. And the only problem is when I come back to London and my daughter or my sons want to do the same, I'm absolutely not. I want you home by 7.38. No way I would let you walk around by yourself at night down the street. They all do it.

Wow. Are there guns in Dubai? No. See, same with Australia. And that's where my soon-to-be husband, New Zealand, Australia. But it just seems like such a safer place to raise a family. That's so awesome. Nobody needs a semi-automatic.

Yeah. No, no one needs one ever same to me yeah i i mean i don't have guns at all but i specifically don't understand why you need to sell anyone an ak-47 i just don't understand what that does for anybody um i i i don't believe in guns um it's just a terrible what's happened in america and i just um so sad that nothing's been done yet it just i don't understand any of it but no i mean and actually forget even dubai i think most people this doesn't happen in the world too you don't have gun crime like you guys do um but dubai especially not i i don't think I don't think you can own guns in Dubai that's amazing we don't have crime like that yeah we don't have crime because in Dubai there's proper punishment yeah so before you go and steal something you really think everyone's like isn't that scary

to you and I'm like not scary at all to me because I'm not thinking about stealing her purse. Right. Totally. So if you if you if you do steal as well, you get removed from the country. So you get visas, you get housing, there's no homelessness. So it's you know, people don't want to be thrown out of the country. It's a pretty severe punishment. So you get jail, which isn't nice. And you also get removed from the country and you never come back. Wow. That's so nuts. I'm so interested in all of this. I've been waiting to talk to you because I'm like, what is it like to live there? I mean, I've not known much about Dubai until just starting to watch the show. And I'm like, oh my God, I have so many questions. Like what's school like out there for your kids? is like another level for my kids really like my my kids my daughter's school

trip was on a private jet to Japan what 22 kids on a private jet to Japan it was crazy I couldn't believe it um because someone's saying in her class, so they took his jet and they stopped off halfway to get donuts. I went to my local arboretum when I was little, so I couldn't believe it. We weren't even allowed to drop them off because it was in a special airport just for the jet. She goes to a school that looks like Hogwarts. It's incredible. She goes to a school that looks like Hogwarts. It's incredible. Wow, that's amazing.

And how is the house? I see it looks gorgeous. It's like a secret garden in your backyard. But how is your house? Is it all done? Are you guys still doing any renovations or anything? So I don't know which one you've seen. You've seen that house I was renting.

Okay. I finally bought a house in the same area. So you so it um you'll see uh tonight's I think or next week's you'll see my the building of it so it'll be ready by December and um we've got a tree growing through the middle of the house all the way through the middle of the house um and it's all glass and it's all white and you know I was going to buy the house that we were in. And then the idea of building it from scratch with Sergio has been just so amazing. So I've got an incredible team of people doing it with me. And you guys are going to see it from the beginning. Literally, you see all the foundation you're going to see come up. And they build so fast. So in fact,

Andy Cohen was asking me when that, I think everyone's really excited to see the house. Yeah, no, I'm so excited to see it. I didn't know if it was just the house you were staying in, if there was like an addition or what exactly was happening with that. So, oh my God, I can't wait to see that. Yeah, and it's our first house that we bought together.

It's so cute. Like I think, you know, I mean, if you knew me from Ladies in London, I had this sort of country mansion and it's so different now. I'm about to actually sell that one. So we bought this one together and it's just, it's everything I wanted. Just all white, all glass.

It's just so pretty and so light. And it's just, you know, amazing. I'm actually going to move all my house stuff into their own house across the road so that I can be alone with my family for once. And I'm never alone. So I can't wait. Well, that'll be nice. So speaking of family, I heard on your podcast that you guys have been doing IVF. Yes. So looking to expand a family? We are. Sergio is very, very keen. He wants a baby girl. We have a baby boy on ice. Okay. We're going to go one more round. I think we're going traveling now for two months.

When we get back, we're going to be in Bali for a month, so I won't be smoking, drinking, or partying. So I think I'll try and get my eggs good there. And then we'll do one more round when I get back. Awesome. Well, best of luck with that. I've been through a couple rounds of freezing eggs, so I know how much that can be on your body. But that's so awesome that you guys are giving this a shot. I love that for you. Baby boy on ice. That's awesome. But hopefully, you know, maybe next time, baby girl and you never know. Yeah. One and done though. One and done. We're done. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. I mean, I think even right now for me, I might be one and done. I'm

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And I think I've met her a few times at his dinners. I really didn't remember her that much, you know, from before, which makes me think that I probably didn't like her before either. I just don't think we connect on any level i can't see it really happening i mean i can i can see that so who are you closest with out of the group and have you become closer with any of the ladies since starting the show yes um i'm the closest with nina ali i become yeah and sarah almadani and then um i on the show i became really close to caroline brooks just because she's sassy she's funny i mean she's self-deprecating she's the shit stirrer yeah you can see that already yeah she's got a naughty

little glint in her eye i go what well mom, well, mom, I didn't drop that. I also love that you did a joint little, I never knew it was called a hen party in the UK. You know, we call it a bachelorette. Brock calls it a bucks party. So I love that you had him with you. That looked like a fun party. Did he do something separate or was it just yours?

No, just mine. Sergio is very different to most men. He's, he's all, he literally is all about me. And, you know, it's really amazing. He just, he loves my friends. He loves me. He just wants to be with me. And I'm, I'm, I'm okay with that. I'm used to English men who'd rather not be with you and always try to get out and be with the boys. So, you know, I'm not going to beat that out of him. Yeah. Tell me about it. Been there, done that. So I get it.

So this is quite refreshing. Yeah, definitely. So how did he adjust to living in Dubai? So where is he from originally? Spain. Okay. Spain. Ended up in Newport Beach and now in Dubai from so where's he from originally Spain from okay Spain ended up in Newport Beach and now he was a guy yeah so he was at U.S. um in America and and is just outside LA right um anyway so uh he was there and he was doing his master's and his degree and for him you know it was a lot for him he he's never been he was only well he's you

know he was 24 when I met him yeah so he's 27 now so I think he moved there when he was 25 or 24 he didn't know anyone he didn't you know he it was a massive massive change and there I was going through my divorce three kids he had to try and blend himself in, meet people, you know, find out, find his feet and find out what he was going to do. And, you know, I'm super proud because I think people forget how young he is. Yeah. And they don't give him any slack.

You know, there's a lot of this, oh, you know, he's always with her. And there's, you know, he's just, all he does is work with her. I mean, first of all, a lot of work goes into, you would know being on a show like this and doing social media and everything. Oh, totally.

It takes a fucking army. And, you know, Sergio is invaluable to me and what I do anyway. And it just means that I am happy if he's happy. He's happy if I'm happy. And, you know, we love working together. So, you know, I just think it just took him some time to find his feet. And you'll see. I mean, you see real growth in Sergio. And I think people just need to allow him.

He's gone through a lot to be with me, a lot for a young, young guy. Definitely. But I love that you guys can work together and he helps your business and you enjoy working together. Cause like you were saying, you know, you're with your ex-husband for 18 years and you didn't want to work with him. So that's just such a night and day and such an amazing thing to be able to work with your partner and have them help you with your business that you've already grown. I know I appreciate that so much from Brock. So I think that's awesome. Because no one knows you or me like they do. So you can hire all the people in the world, but they won't be able to do it like they do.

Yeah, 100%. So you have your podcast, Divorced Not Dead. I loved that we got a little glimpse of the merch, the coffee mugs on the most recent episode, because I feel like sometimes with Bravo, it's like you either see every business or you never hear of a business that someone's working on. So whenever there's little glimpses of the merch or the podcast set up, like personally, I love that stuff. So I went back, I rewound it. I watched it again. I was like, oh my God, those coffee mugs are so cute. So tell me about how long have you been doing your podcast, how you started it? And yeah. I think it's two years now. It's really, really new. And it just, it went really fast. I think it's just such a subject. It's an endless subject

that women are always going to be interested in. I think, you know, somehow when women are going through divorce, they want someone just to hold their hand and just to say they're okay. And I think what I do is just say, fuck everybody else. Because I think through divorce, families, friends, everyone tells you what they think you should do. And at the end of the day, the only person you should listen to is you because, you know, there is no right or wrong way. Staying unhappy isn't the right way. Staying unhappy anywhere isn't the right way. And there always is something more, you know, they always, it's so every society is so quick to tell you what you can't do, but they forget to tell you what you can do.

And so the podcast, I think just, I don't know, exploded overnight. Um, and we've done really, really well considering, you know, like I, I mean, I started in Dubai, I wasn't on a show at the time for a long time. And, you know, I, I didn't know whether this would, would work or not, but it's actually really, really working. And I really love doing it. It's so easy for me to do because I'm so passionate about it. I don't prep. I don't do anything. It's me ranting.

And actually, the solo ones are the ones that people love the most. Really? Okay. So tell me a little more about that. And for anyone else out there who's doing a podcast, because I've never done a solo episode and I've heard of so many people, like my friends recently, like, oh, I have to record three solo podcasts. And I'm like, I don't know. What would I talk about? So what are some of your solo episodes about for those

who haven't listened? How long have you been doing a podcast? Sorry. Oh my God. Four and a half years now. Okay. You've never done a solo podcast? No. The only one I ever did was sadly about my miscarriage, but then I felt like it was such a sad downer of an episode that I ended it with like an upbeat Q&A to try and like switch gears. It was really weird, but I've just, I've never done a solo one. weird but um I've just I've never done a solo one okay well I mean I've had everyone from like you know Molly Sims to you know Susan Sarandon on and still my most popular ones are the ones where I sit and talk to myself and I think it's because they're raw and actually what you just said that that episode that you just did would have been so important and invaluable to people and it's a shame that you put a Q&A at the end of it and not think it's enough because it would have been enough.

And you'd be surprised how many people would have needed to hear that podcast from you. And you could redo it and say, you know, this is where I am now and what you've learned from it. And that's why I think, because that is invaluable. You could probably have spoken for two hours on that subject. Whereas when you're interviewing someone, you know, you kind of run out later. But when it's about something you went through, you know, I was fascinated, like when they said if I wanted to interview you, I remember watching your relationships and, you know, how kind of I felt like you started with confidence and slowly slowly all

these different relationships had broken you down yeah quite a needy person from what I saw yeah and see you now and so I wanted to to talk to you about your relationships and about what you went through as a younger girl um whilst having to do it publicly too. Like all of that would be so fascinating because you are much younger than me. You went, you know, you have had all these interesting relationships on screen and what it did to you, to your mentally, those are the things I would talk about if I was you. I mean, you know, absolutely fascinating. Okay.

Well, we're going to discuss this on Divorce Not Dead next week. And then maybe i'll Solo after that because yeah I've just I think it is a confidence thing like I used to be the most confident person and just each relationship and Friendship, I feel like it just kind of broke me down. But brock has totally built me back up. So I you know when I did go through the miscarriage and I did that solo episode, then I'm like, okay, well, now we're going to add Brock on the podcast and we're going to answer some of your questions because I just felt like no one just wants to hear me rant.

But if everyone loves to hear you rant, then maybe they would. So maybe I need to try that. They do. They do want to hear you rant. It doesn't have to be a rant. It's more like vulnerable. They want to hear you rant. It doesn't have to be a rant. It's more like vulnerable. They want to hear you vulnerable. They want you to tell them how you felt and maybe how you changed and what they could do because they watched you go through it. So it's interesting to see where

you are now and how you got from me to be. Well, thank you for that little bit of advice. I appreciate that. So back to you and divorce. So this podcast started called Divorce Not Dead. How did you know it was time to get a divorce? What advice would you have to other women going through a divorce? Was it your decision? Was it his? Was it mutual for those who don't know? think I mean I took the first step really but to be honest it was mutual we both knew it was coming it's just neither of us had the gut to play it and pull the thing I think that happens a lot we've done the easy route which was like separating you know I was living downstairs he was living upstairs I think we could have gone back if maybe if Sergio hadn't popped up, I would have,

but it would have been for the wrong reasons. How did I know? I think it's, I knew years ago, really, it wasn't working out. We'd just grown so apart. But I think, you know, really the surefire sign for a woman is when you're happier out the house than you are in the house. And when you've got children and you're not, you know, you've got children and you've got children

and you've got a beautiful home and you don't want to be there, there's something wrong. So I did everything in my power. I was traveling like a lunatic. I missed years of my children because I was so busy trying to get out of my house. And now I'm with Sturgio. I'm a homebody. We do travel because that is my work and my job. And it's a big part of what I do. Somehow I became an accidental travel influencer. I love that. But, you know, I'm so happy not to go out anymore at all.

Like I'm a complete bloody, we've been in New York for a week. We've been out once, one night and every other night we're in bed by 10. Sergio is a little old man. So what advice would you give to other women who are questioning if they should leave an unhappy situation? Because I feel like so many women and maybe men too, but they stay because it's easier, because they're comfortable, because they're afraid to take that next step. They're afraid to be on their own, especially, you know, like after 18 years, like props to you for putting yourself and your happiness first. Well, they always say stay because it's easier. It's actually not. It's harder. Most women actually think about it for two to three years before.

Some, I mean, a lot of people, five. They say it takes five years to really move because exactly what we do. We picture it. We wrap ourselves in cotton wool. We're like, you know, everything is, what's the worst case? So I pictured every worst case scenario for myself. I thought about it long and hard. What being alone would look like. But when you've got kids, you're really not alone. I think that it's and hard, what being alone would look like. But when you've got

kids, you're really not alone. I think that it's scarier, to be honest, to stay somewhere that you are unhappy for forever. I do know other people, by the way, and I'm not advocating it, but they have open marriages in the end. And they go, okay, we'll keep it together for our families. And we'll live as a family and then we'll do this and you know that that everybody's adults if you want to go ahead and have that kind of arrangement and renegotiate so that the marriage could possibly work for both of you maybe I don't know if these things can work because I haven't seen it really work but I know people doing it you know I'm very non-judgmental whatever makes someone get through a marriage for them,

then hats off because it's very hard for you to find a husband, a lover, a friend, a father in one person. We're expecting this man to be everything to us. So I don't know. I do kind of think that second marriages work quite well from what I've seen, because I think we really know who we are by the time we find that person and what we want. And I knew that although my risk was Sergio's age, I also know that Sergio is so committed. Like I don't worry about him for a day, for a second. I just don't. I love that. Oh, well, good. That makes me happy for you. So I know you are a very busy lady. So I'm going to take another quick little break and then we're going to get into some fan questions that came in. Have you ever had an acne breakout come at the worst possible time because I know when I am going through that time

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Oh, no, The goat died. Was it that night? Did it get out? No. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I think it ate something.

Oh, wow. RIP to the goat. So Gone Wild wants to know any marriage advice to newly wedded couples that you wouldn't normally hear? Communication, communication, discuss money, discuss sex, discuss everything that's uncomfortable that we were taught not to discuss, discuss it. And prenups. Oh, yeah. I'm an advocate for that now, second marriage. So I agree with you there. That's a smart decision. I see where people think, because I felt this way in my first marriage, where it's like, oh, you're tainting it and you're setting it up for failure. But it's like, no, you're protecting yourself. It's insurance for the future. I think everyone

should get a prenup now. It's just so many. It takes the stress. It takes the stress because you already know where you stand. And if you're like me with a second marriage and children, why would I give anything that should be my children's to somebody else? Totally agree with you. Clarice Drake wants to know, did you have any of the women from Ladies of London at your wedding? I did. I had most of them. Oh, I love that.

Marissa, was she there? No, sadly not because it's too far. But I just seen her. I was with her in LA before oh nice I did watch what happens live with her a few years back no way yeah she was great it's Dana Boo wants to know what was one of your favorite moments from Ladies of London she said she loves you and she is so glad you're back on her TV I think looking back, it was the moment I hated the most when I knew it was coming out, but I love it now. The blue unicorn. Love that.

My blue unicorn, ridiculous behavior. Running underscore in heels wants to know what is your skincare secret because you never age. I have to agree with that you look incredible oh thank you I I you know I'm very very very blessed as in uh I I have I'm the face of a cosmetic company so I have all these lasers that I probably wouldn't do if it wasn't done for me and I I'm terrible with skincare terrible I keep telling people I sleep in my makeup but I have amazing people I sleep in my makeup, but I have amazing people around me. So my makeup artist is just incredible with skin.

And if you could do Botox, I love Botox and things like that. I put Botox in my neck that really lifts your face, tightens your face. And I do a lot of these skin tightening lasers. I don't know the name of them, but just a maintenance of like maybe a hydrafacial and a laser every one to two months. I think you can keep yourself looking really, really good. I'm 46 now incredible. I'm so happy that you have your happily ever after. And thank you so much for taking the time to get into some shenanigans with me. Thank you for having me. It's been great. Yes. I can't wait to come on Divorce Not Dead next.

The conversation will continue. Awesome. Thank you. And thank you guys for listening. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans with Sheena Shea. Download new episodes every week on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bye.