Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Dudes In The DM with Paige Woolen

Episode Date: February 26, 2021

Scheana and Jamie are joined by Paige Woolen to talk about her Instagram account called Dudes in the DM, her recent death threats and haters, Brazilian Butt Lifts, dating in LA and more! Plus her recent DM exchange with a major celeb who asked her to dinner but (HINT) was she meant to be the main course? Special thanks to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Go to GreenChef.com/90shay and use code 90shay to get $90 off including free shipping! Scheananigans with Scheana Shay is produced by ACTIONPARK MEDIA. Follow us on Instagram: @scheana @scheananigans @actionparkmediagroupSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Action Park Media From Vanderpump Rules to Vegas and everywhere in between, it's time to party with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. What's up, everyone? Welcome back to Shenanigans. We are back in studio.

I've got Jamie here. I feel like I haven't seen you in so long. I know. As you walked in the door, I went running for you. And we have a gorgeous guest. She is a guest and maxim model, an influencer, the creator of the Instagram Dudes in the DMs, which is a page dedicated to exposing cyberbullying and sexual harassment. Recently, she made headlines for offering to send DMs to other women's men to see if they would be faithful. Please welcome Ms. Paige Wuwen. How are you? Great. Thank you so much for having me. So exciting. Thanks for being here. So we were supposed to do this before Hawaii,

but then we got rescheduled. So thank you so much for making it in. Of course, I wouldn't miss it. Yes. And she was just saying, I think you missed it, but she got death threats today. Wait, what? Yes, I was. What happened? So I guess, like, you know, Logan Paul's podcast, Impossible. Impulsive. Impulsive. Yeah, yeah. Impaul-sive. Impaul-sive. Yeah. Right. Impaul-sible.

Impaul-sive. He is Impaul-sible. Yeah. Right? They mention my account, sort of what I do. And, of course, they have a large mail following. Yeah. So I just got, like, a flood. And I didn't even know where they were coming from.

I just got a flood of, like, rat emoji DMs. We're going to find you and like do stuff to you. That's not fun. Like all that kind of stuff. Because she's exposing men, but she's doing it anonymously. So it's not, is she really a rat? I mean, maybe the men shouldn't be being shady prick. Exactly. Right. Right. Don't do something shady if you don't want to get caught. Don't be a douchebag and you're good since good. Since we're already into it. So what exactly happens? Like, these women have contacted you and said to please contact their men.

They want to see if they're being faithful or not. And then you just shoot them a DM, like, flirty and see what happens? Sort of, yes. So one night after, like, a few glasses of wine, I had noticed that the guys DMing me had their girlfriends or wives in their profile photo. Which I hate. I hate that. And they're not saying like, hi, you're beautiful. They're saying like, I want to put this here.

And you know, like sexual organs. Jamie gets those DMs a lot. I get those. I love to see them. And so I was annoyed. I was tipsy. So I went on my second account, dudes in the DM, and I said, you know, to my girls, if you want to see if your boyfriend or husband, you know, would entertain an Insta, I don't think I said Insta-ho, an Instagram influencer, then DM me on that page and we can collab and DM your man and see, like, what he would do. So that's how it started.

I didn't expect for it to blow up. I probably messaged like 70 accounts that night. Oh, wow. And then I posted the results anonymously with the permission of the girl who I was talking to anonymously. And then it sort of went super viral. And since I've had over like 10,000 messages from women and men asking for me to help them. That's insane. This is like Ryan's Roses. It is. Totally.

That's exactly what I thought of. My mom asked who the guest was today. And I was like, she's basically like the real life Instagram Ryan's Roses. Totally. And by the way, how are people still falling for Ryan's Roses? It's going to be scripted and fake at this point. Right. Right.

How do you not know what's happening? I know the sound of her voice fake at this point. Right? Right. How do you not know what's happening? I know the sound of her voice. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, totally. So can you, all right,

walk me through this. What do you say and what's a typical response from them? So I was surprised that most of the men did not even respond. And then a portion of the men

would say, that's good. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And then a portion of the men would be like, are you a bot? Or like, I don't want to sign up for your OnlyFans or like, leave me alone great. Yeah. And then a portion of the men would be like, are you a bot? Or like, I don't want to sign up for your OnlyFans.

Or like, leave me alone, prostitute. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because my Instagram's a little on the sexy side. Well, what would you say? What was your line? My opening line was always, hi, and a winky face. Because I feel like a winky face means you know that I'm in business. You know, I'm here to flirt.

I'm here to get down with the get down. So, and and I feel and then I would screenshot and send it to the girlfriend. And I would be like, what do you want me to respond next? Because I wanted the female to feel like she was in control and that I wasn't saying anything that was going to like hurt her feeling. Right. So the woman was always in control. I wanted her to feel like she had the power. I like that. That's a good approach. Thanks. Yeah. I wanted her to feel like she had the power. I like that. That's a good approach. Thanks. Yeah. For sure.

Because I felt like if I was in that position, you're doing it because you're already not feeling great about your relationship. No one super secure in their relationship is going to say like, hey, test my boyfriend. Unless you're bored. Or you just want to be confirmed that you don't have an asshole boyfriend. Right. So it's already a rocky situation. And I didn't, I wanted them to feel comfortable. So it was always her choosing what to say.

So all the conversations sort of went differently. But only a few guys were like, no, I don't have a girlfriend. I want to take you out. Let's bang. What percentage would you say? I would say out of 75 guys, I'm not great at math. Like around five guys said like, yeah, let's go out. That's actually pretty good.

I'm happily surprised because if you didn't say that, I would have been like any girl or any woman who needs to test their relationship, it's fucked up already. Right. You know, and something's going to go down. Just the fact that she feels this like intuition to check. So that's a happy surprise. Right. Good for the men. Yeah.

I mean, there are just so many women who could have the most amazing man and just still be, you know, insecure with themselves and just want to like make sure to have that reassurance. But, you know, clearly 65 of them weren't douchebags. Yeah. But, you know, clearly 65 of them weren't douchebags. Yeah. And what's interesting is so once the, you know, once the story got out, it went sort of viral. And I got all these messages. I had all these stories for women like, I'm pregnant. He won't sleep with me.

Can you please? I'm begging you. I'll give you a lot of money. And so those kinds of stories have come in and they still come in. You know, it's been like about two months since the first story went out. And I still get stories like that, like maybe five or 10 a day. Oh, wow. So it definitely has hit a chord with women. And I'm like, shoot, now that the jig is up, because I've tried since, and guys will be like, Googled you, like you're the, they're calling me the honey trapper. The honey trapper. That's kind of a cute nickname.

It's pretty cute. So their girlfriends are caught because then they know they set them up. Right. Oh, my gosh. So now I have to message these women and I'm like, I'm trying to figure out a different plan. Like, hold tight with me. Like, I want to help these women and men. Some men was like, you know, I think my girlfriend's bisexual.

Can you, like, hit on her to see if she will, like, sleep with you? And I'm like, this, you know I think my girlfriend's bisexual can you like hit on her to see if she will like sleep with you and I'm like this you know yeah that's an interesting twist it is right did you discover any unfaithful females I didn't do it because I just reading through them all I was sort of overwhelmed

and then some seem like hoaxes right you know like I got one that was like oh send my man a picture of you naked. Yeah. Okay. Because I want to see what he says about your naked body. And I'm like, this sounds like a guy. Right. Right. But I almost, I mean, I didn't fall for it, but at first I was like, wow, she's like really specific. And then my friends were like, Paige, this is a guy. I'm like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Okay. So have you heard of any divorces or breakups since this? Yes. So I have heard of like, of the five, like have you heard of any divorces or breakups since this?

Yes. So I have heard of like of the five, like one or two of the girls like moved out. And I know one girl stayed with the guy and then she found out later that he was actually cheating, cheating on her. So she's like, after this next like vacation we have, like then I'm going to break up with him. And I'm like, okay, you know, after I do what I can to help you get the information, you know, I'm just like, okay, I'm not going to be in judgment of, because some people just like to know, but they still want to stay with a person. And I'm not here to judge anyone. I'm just here to try and help them facilitate a way to find the truth that they want. Interesting. Well, you're offering quite the service.

Really? Seriously? I mean, and yeah, you're gorgeous. So obviously, if a guy is gonna cheat, you know, he's gonna respond to someone who looks like her. So before this, though, take us back a little bit. You were, you started Dudes in the DMs first. Is that right? Yes. Okay. So was that another drunken night? You're like, fuck this. I'm posting him. Like, how did that work? they're drunk at night, you're like, fuck this dick. I'm posting him. Like, how did that work?

So I started Dudes in the DM in the beginning of April. So it was right when quarantine hit. And I was sitting in my parents' pool, like quarantined. And I was looking through my photos to see like what thirst drop I could post. And I was like, my favorite pastime. And so I'm scrolling and I'm seeing all these screenshots I have of someone saying something really mean to me me and you both experience this I'm sure me responding back with something I think is funny and then them being confused that I'm responding with like humor instead of like blocking them or being me right and then I was like wait I think people would be surprised she and I know you post your DMs sometimes. And I think it's a really good thing because I think people would be surprised to see that

everyone gets hate. If you're on TV, you get hate. Oh, totally. If you're a model, you get hate. No matter what you do, people are always going to say something negative about you. If you're vegan, you get hate. Yeah. Right.

It's insane. And I feel like people that aren't necessarily in the public eye or show their modeling photos on Instagram, I don't think they know what we go through. That's a little taste of their own medicine. And a lot of the time the accounts have been canceled. Whether Instagram did that, I don't think so. I think they just disabled their accounts because they were getting so much. But I'm like, look, you like since I've been pregnant, I've gotten some of the nastiest messages. Like, I hope that you have like a stillborn. Your baby should strangle itself with its umbilical cord.

And like, I want to send you its severed head in the mail. Like, by the way, these people could be serial killers like a troll doesn't just say yeah it's it goes beyond that it's so disturbing it's so disturbing that to the point i this one chick my mom and uncle like started looking into and like found her facebook and family members and like someone in her family was like her niece and nephew had like murdered their child and like there was all this history like and like all of these issues with this family but i'm like i'm posting this and i'm like can y'all pray for this person can you get help there is something seriously wrong with you that you thought it was okay to a type these words

b hit send and c realize that you're saying this to a stranger. But it's just like, it was just so crazy that I'm like, I have to post this. People need to see the shit that I read. Thankfully, I can just brush it off. I would not be in this industry if I didn't have thick skin and I couldn't deal with that kind of shit. But not everyone's as strong as me. I'm like, are you saying this to other people you know who are pregnant? Like, are you just fucking crazy? And that's why I like posting them because I want people to see this is the shit I have to

deal with. And it is not okay. Do you post the names to on those ones? I do. Have you been penalized from Instagram or no? No. So I got both of my accounts shut down oh really yeah so both dudes in the DM and Paige Woolen uh separate times but they were both shut down are they verified accounts dudes in the DM is oh um and when I you know I have a friend that works at Facebook and I was like what's the deal and he goes well if so many people at one time reported them they got shut down. You know, thankfully they got put back up, but that's when I really started hunkering down, hunkering down, is that a word? Sure. Why not? It makes sense. On blurring out the names because I was worried,

but in your situation, I think it's good that like my mom always tells me you teach people how to treat you. Yeah. And I think it's good that you're mom always tells me you teach people how to treat you yeah and I think it's good that you're doing that because you're showing people hey if you send me something negative like that's not okay yeah and this is what's gonna happen to you and I think that's that's really nice that they haven't you know stopped it yeah and there have been a few not like the nasty like kill your baby severed head ones but there have been other ones that have actually apologized to me wow and we're like you know what i'm so sorry like i i don't know what i was thinking like i'm pregnant too right now i was having a bad day i'm hormonal like i took it out

on you that was so wrong of me and like i'll forgive them and i'm like just i hope you learned your lesson yeah but there have been some people that like all snap back at like there was something i posted recently it was like one of my like brand deals and someone didn't get their product and they were upset and they're like you're a liar you're this you're that you're scamming me and i was like excuse me i'm sorry did you venmo me did i take your money don't call me a liar here's the information she was like oh my, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like, I'm just having a shit day. And, like, they just, I think a lot of these people just want to be acknowledged.

Yeah. Right. They want to vent. Yeah. And they want to be heard. Yeah. And they think, okay, maybe, I think they think you're not going to answer. Yeah.

And they just want to, like, complain to someone who they think lives, like, a perfect life. Maybe. And then when they get a response or you post it, then that's accountability. Yeah. And that's a really beautiful thing because now that person's probably not going to go bully someone else online because they were taught the lesson.

I love it. I love teaching people lessons. And I'm still on the whole kick where I just wish Instagram would make every single user send in your ID to register for an account. It would eliminate all of these troll accounts. And I know, I understand there's reasons why they don't do that. I guess, you know, engagement would go way down. There'd be a lot less accounts on there because the fake ones would be eliminated. But I really think, you know, it's for our whole society

is mental health. Like we, we can't take this anymore with all of these trolls and all of this cyberbullying. And so I think that's awesome that you are doing what you can, Paige, to expose that type of cyberbullying. Thank you so much. And Instagram recently, I don't know if it was that recent, but they'll do something where if someone you don't know or don't follow sends you a message, you know, it goes into the requests. And then if it's a photo, you can tap it once and it's blurred. So it's like, okay, is this going to be a penis? It's like where my brain always goes. It's like penis or no penis. And then if it's blurred, it looks like, okay, then you can open it and see it, which I think is nice that they're at least taking that measure so that I'm

not like in Starbucks, like with like big, like a ton of penises. Oh my God. Right. Is it a penis or is it just a bald guy? Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And cause people send me screenshots, like I'll also post on dudes in the DM, um, things that are, you know, really bad. Yes. It's bullying. So a lot of them are funny on dudes in the DM, but I'll, I'll share ones that are bad of girls that are not in the public eye at all. And they're just posting like their family. And it's something vulgar and disgusting. So I'll post that on there with trigger warnings, which are super important, of course. And then I'll say like, okay, can everyone go like send her love?

And I think that is a nice way too to like spread positivity online instead of just, you know, the trolls. Yeah. Absolutely. And I do that sometimes too. Like i don't always show the name it's when only when it's a really really nasty one i'm like everyone please go report this account like i need to get them shut down but if it's just like if it's semi mean i'm like everyone this person needs some prayers if you can just send some positive vibes their way and then they're like oh my god how are you like being nice when they just said something so terrible to you?

I'm like, because clearly they got issues. Right. That's, you know, I mean, they're saying this to someone they watch on a television show. And you're so sweet. It's like, what are you going to you're not the mean girl. You're not rude to people. You're so sweet and loving. So how can you how can you go after you?

It's it's very strange. It really is. They find ways. If you want to call me crazy or desperate or boy crazy this or whatever, but it really did surprise me with after having a miscarriage, being pregnant again, the amount of people who have commented, like, I hope you have a stillborn for what I did 15 years ago. And it's just like, what is wrong with you?

Who would ever wish that upon their worst enemy let alone a fucking stranger right who hurt you is what i always want to say to people yeah like who and i say the same thing i'm like you know so and so said this please don't go and attack them when in the beginning when i posted names i'm like please don't go attack them but send them a prayer and people are like screw that i'm gonna go attack them but i'm like, please don't go attack them, but send them a prayer. And people are like, screw that. I'm going to go attack them. But I'm like, at least the intention was there, right? Right. Exactly. Do you have any sample dudes in the DMs that you can read? Ooh, yeah. Yes, I do. I do. And I also take submissions from people, like I said, and like, you know, I post their names if they want. Okay. This guy said, the world is not a sphere.

want. Okay, this guy said, the world is not a sphere. The world is your ass and my dick is that thick meteor that wiped out all of the dinosaurs. What the fuck? Do they say these things now because they want you to post it? Are they giving their best effort

at this or was this like something that they didn't even know you had this type of account? So this was actually like something that they didn't even know you had this type of account? So this was actually another girl that submitted hers. Okay. But I do think that there's a level with my personal Instagram. I think at one point we're going to have to be like, okay, this is very clear. Like I can read you this one about Taco Bell if you want. Yeah. Ooh, Taco Bell. Okay. So this says, we go to Taco Bell together and you ask, do you want a Baja blast? I get down on one Wow. That's cute. That's a poet right there. So, yeah, I think there's an element of that now. And I think you can still use them as examples, right?

Like I always tell people, like, take the account with a grain of salt. There's a trigger warning. It's serious. And we need to take this really seriously. I'll post like a couple blank screens. But I'll post my response to someone like, you know, someone said to me this morning, I too, like so many in your DM, would drag my balls across two miles of broken glass just to hear your fart through a walkie-talkie. Wow.

And I guess that, I mean, like that, I was like, oh, you know, the morning affirmation I didn't know I needed. Because I'm reading these things at like 6 in the morning, and I'm like, oh, wow. So I think there is like a level of that where you should laugh. But it's a bunch of different things you get online. I'm sure you guys both get so many different. I get interesting things, yes. You got an interesting DM recently that's going quite well, shall we say?

It was successful, actually. Oh, yes, tell us. What was the DM? Because I don't even think I know this. I just know he slid in the DMs. I actually don't know. I don't remember. We love a proper example.

Okay. So wait, was this like a swipe, like it was like a bumble or a hinge, but then he slid into the DMs or was it straight Instagram? No, he saw me on a dating site and then he said that he didn't want to wait. So he found me on Instagram and I'm just, gosh, wait, I'm going back. Wow, you've been DMing. Oh, wow. Scrolling. Okay. So, you've been DMing. She was scrolling. Okay, so you want me to read the first one that he sent?

Yes. I mean, it's not like that romantic. But it worked. That's what we want to show people. Exactly. Hi, Jay. I saw you on Bumble. I think you could actually be my speed.

Didn't want to leave it to Bumble. I'm blank, not saying his name. Nice to meet you. And then he responded to one of my stories and he's like what and you're vegan too heart eyes and so that's what got me i did see this yes so that's what got me because i'm like wait and so the first thing i wrote back hi are you vegan so did you respond in between the the first two messages or no no but when i saw that he was excited about me being vegan i'm like oh, oh. And he watched your stories.

Yeah. That's right. So it was a commitment of the same. And he is vegan. He is. Yeah. Wow. Oh.

And he's my type. So, you know, I don't want to say too much. No, but stay tuned. This hopefully will be an ongoing topic on shenanigans and it's nice it's nice for people to hear you know not just what not to do but what to do yeah i mean brock well we met the night before but then we would have never spoken again had he not slid into my dms really yeah and i never so now i do check them often especially especially because with being, well, not a new mom yet, but just being pregnant, I get a lot of unsolicited advice, but also some good advice.

And I've been checking my DMs a lot more since I had the miscarriage because so many women reached out and were just so inspired by me telling my story and told me theirs. And so I've been checking them a lot more recently. But a year and a half, two years ago, I never checked them. It was just a constant 99 plus and I never looked at it. And the next day after I met Brock, one of my girlfriends was like, Oh, check your extra DMS. There's a cute video that we got tagged in from the club last night. And I was like, Oh, okay. And then I see at the time his name was B dot the dot lion. I was like, be the lion. I was like, oh, okay. And then I see at the time his name was B.the.lion. I was like, B.the.lion? I was like, who's this? And I open it and it was something along the lines of, nice meeting you last night. Next time I'm up in LA, I'd love to take you to a Rams game. So the most recent photo on my feed was at a Chargers game.

I love football. That's like one of the ways to my heart. So I was like, okay, so you looked at my page. You know I like football. Wrong team. But I was like, okay, I'll respond. And I responded. And then shortly after that, we exchanged numbers.

And then we went back to the music festival together that day. And then two weeks later, we were dating. And a month after that, I was in Bali with him wow so did he change teams um he wasn't even a Rams fan he just knew that I was from LA and the Rams are in LA and no one really associates the Chargers with LA still I'm a big Chargers fan just so you know really I almost wore a Chargers sweatshirt here and I was like okay it's too much I love that yeah I love the Chargers yes so big Chargers fanhirt here and I was like, okay, it's too much. I love that. Yeah. I love the Chargers. Yes. So big Chargers fan. He just, I mean, he roots for several teams. He's more of a, like he'll follow players, but yeah, I mean, he slid in the DMs and it worked. Well, that's a perfect example. It's like, okay, so between mine and yours, it's fine. Find the one thing that the

person is passionate about or enjoys and show that you actually checked into it and put in that little bit of effort. And it's not just this DM that's so generic that you're sending it to every girl in the world. Totally. And I always say the number one don't is don't have a private profile. A hundred percent. Oh, my God. You talked about this on Nima's podcast. I'm not going to follow you.

Right. And if I have to screenshot and zoom in on your tiny little photo, like I'm just not going to. I mean, I've done it and I'm just so sick of it because it's like a hundred. It's not even like sometimes it works out well. Every time you don't want to be talking to this guy. Yeah.

Like, so, you know, it's just annoying because it's like you're gonna make me do work now now i have to request to follow you i have to wait for the for you to accept it then i have to go on and look through your page and realize i'm not interested and now you've just made it awkward for everybody yeah because now i just i'm gonna unfollow you we're not gonna talk and you're gonna know exactly why yeah and like why are you private

are you in the cia no are you hiding you hiding? Do you have a girlfriend? Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. My voice goes down. I know. It's the worst. Don't be private. It's just the worst thing you can do.

And just don't be private anyway. Yeah. Like if you're a single guy, what are you hiding? You don't have kids on there or something that, you know, or it's like super professional where you have to keep it private. I don't know. I don't get it. I just don't get it. So there's always usually something shady or they're just not attractive.

Yeah. They should download FaceApp, which is it. I always say FaceApp launched my modeling career because it changes your face to make you look so much prettier. And I'm like, it's basically Photoshop. So, you know, it's just it was like a speedway to a modeling career. Yeah. Anywho. Yeah. Private accounts. No. Definitely not. No. photoshop so you know it's just it was like a speedway to a modeling career yeah anywho yeah private accounts no definitely not no so i want to ask you about someone's dms who you slid into

i was listening to you on nemo's podcast and you talked about sliding into army hammers yes dms there's been obviously a lot of news about him recently. So I kind of want to know your experience with him and your thoughts on the current news about him. Yes. So I think when I was here with Nima, none of that had happened, right? No, it hadn't happened yet. So I slid into Armie's DMs like right when he announced the divorce because I'm divorced, you know. And I mean, Social Network is my favorite movie. And it's hot. So I just said, I reached out and I was like, oh, I'm divorced too.

If you ever need someone to talk to, I'm here. And he answered right away. And I was like, oh, my God, this is my next second husband. So we were chatting. Everything was great. And then we were talking for like one or two months ish on and off and then he invited me over to his friend's house like for multiple dates and we had never been in person yet so I'm like that's a red flag I'm like let's go to coffee let's go to and he's like no no no I'm in a custody battle I can't be seen in public with someone so I'm sure he's like this

how he's using me for paparazzi. Right. And I'm like, I just don't, I want to know if there's chemistry before we go to like Bangtown. Yeah. So I said, you know, I'm not that kind of girl. Let me know when you want to take me out to dinner. And he's like, I respect you, da, da, da. And then? Take you out to dinner or have you for dinner?

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, we cooking ribs or what's going on? So I just dodged that bullet. very thank god yeah well I'm I kind of you know I think it'd be good for content yeah probably not good for my um psychological well-being but I mean that's happening in the pandemic there are so many guys are using that as an excuse like hey we can't go out do you want to just come over yeah because I know you've gotten that a lot. And she'll be like, okay, so she'll like go on a date or over or whatever. I'm like, I'm checking your location. I'm making sure like you're okay. You don't fucking know this person. Yeah, I went to like an NFL guy's house right when restaurants shut down. And I

think it was lunch. It was like a dinner, d. And we go, we have dinner, it's fine. And then he's like, oh, let's watch a movie. And I'm like, shoot, movies usually code for BJ. So he gets really handsy and I had to hit him off me. And since then, this is at the beginning of quarantine. I haven't gone over to a guy's house since. It's not fun to be stressed out the whole time if someone's going to be creepy or not. So how do we make it clear to these guys what you want and what is it that you do want? What are you looking for? Yeah. Oof. The hot seat. I just want someone that's

going to be respectful. I face a personal problem. I have a lot of issues, but my main personal problem is my Instagram isn't a direct reflection of my personality. So it's like a lot of TNA on there and like no personality. So I sort of see why when guys ask me out, they're like, oh, the first thing you do is go to someone's Instagram. Right. And they see, you know, I just got a BBL. So I got a huge butt now. And so they're like. Oh, yeah.

I want to get into that. Yes. So they see all that and they're like, oh, she's putting this on display. It's an open invitation. She's probably going to whatever on the first date. So I think that it's challenging on both sides. We both go into it where I'm like, oh, maybe we're going to talk about, you know, like, blah, blah, blah. And then he's like, oh, maybe I'll, you know, touch her butt. So I think there's a big disconnect. So I've been trying to, you know, sort of rebrand who I am. Is this therapy, right?

Yeah. Like, am I going to start crying? Just kidding. And so I believe in, like, soul connections and, like, destiny. So I'm just trying to find my soulmate somewhere. Like, he could be at the club. He could be, you know, at Taco Bell. Yeah.

He could be in my DMs. But I just want to be respected, and I want a fair chance to, like, show who I am without seeing everything that's on display for us, which I think is challenging. I get that. And it's such a fine line for women because if we want to show a, you know, us in a swimsuit or whatever, it's like, we should be able to do that. And that doesn't mean that we're asking to be sexually harassed. Absolutely. But then on the other hand, there's these men out there who are probably very confused. And some of them I, you know, I wouldn't make excuses for, but others I would be like, well, you know what, maybe they think that that the impression that we might be putting out is what we want from them or we're just superficial or whatever it may be.

And it's hard to kind of figure out how to relay that on social media, that there's so much more behind those photos. Yeah. Especially if you're, you know, if you have a certain brand and if your brand's like sort of pushing sexy and the followers and the brands or whatever are relying on that, it's a tough thing to say, actually, I want to put my clothes on now people are like you yeah so it's then you notice you get like way less engagement less likes on those photos and it's like what the fuck yeah exactly which I'm it's I'm sure it's nice for you you've been able to reach out you've been able to start a community of moms right yeah I mean I've gained I think

it's like close to 60,000 followers since I announced my pregnancy And so whenever like I get the one comment, it's like no one cares about your baby I'm, like except for the extra 60,000 people that just started following me because of my baby and yeah now it is transitioning into that type of brand but I mean I definitely had There was a period where it was like a lot of lingerie photos. And it was like, right after like, my boyfriend and I broke up. And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna post all sexy. And so it's like, my Instagram has gone in waves. But now it is going more that route. It's a transition that takes time. And I think the right person, no matter how sexy your feed is, is going to see the real you and they're not going to care about that. It's the douchebags that are just going to, you know, send all those messages. I agree. So I want to ask about this

BBL, but before we do, let's take a little break. Now I'm going to go with the ab breaks. Nice. That was good. Thanks. How am I doing? Great. Oh, good. Yes. My love language is words of affirmation. Me too. It is? Yes.

Well, you're both doing wonderful. Oh, thanks. Thank you. You are too. Thanks. Mine is physical touch. Oh, yeah. I'm just kidding.

Every dude says that, right? Yeah. My love language is physical touch. Oh, my God. They do all say that. You're just a guy. Like, that's not your love language. My love language is a blowjob.

Yes. Oh my God, they do all say that. You're just a guy. Like, that's not your love language. My love language is a blowjob. So you guys, I just got an amazing new food delivery sent to my door from Green Chef, which is the first USDA certified organic meal kit company. I've talked about this before. I'm talking about it again. It is amazing, seasonally sourced for peak freshness. They have so many different ones you can choose from, whether you're keto, paleo, vegan, vegetarian, or just looking to eat healthier. There's a range of recipes to suit any diet or preference. Brock and I last night made the tilapia with this cauliflower rice and green beans. And let me tell

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That's it. Oh, I got it right. Good job. That was a guess. But okay, what is that? Why did you think you needed it? And can we see it? Yes, yes and yes.

So do you want to see it before I explain? Sure. Okay. Because I'm like, do I need this after baby? Okay. Yeah, that's a good ass. That's a great butt. Great booty. What exactly do they do?

Because I might need that after. Is it considered plastic surgery? Yes. Okay. Is that your line? No, no. I just, I was just like standing so hard. I'm like, I'm not getting plastic surgery until I need a facelift at 60.

Because everyone's like, your boobs are never going to be the same. You're going to need a breast lift. You're going to need implants. You're going to need this and that. And I'm like, how about we just see what they look like after I breastfeed? Like, I've had boobs for the first time in my life right now. Like, I think they're going to be fine after. But I don't know.

If I want to get a boob job, then I get a boob job. But I have talked myself completely out of that. But something like this, that could be up my alley. Well, the way you can get around it too is, yes, it's plastic surgery, but it's not implants. Yeah. So it's like, if you were to do like a body scan, you're not going to see an implant. Yeah. So which, I mean, it all really depends on like where your lines are. But for me, I have natural big boobs and I had no butt. And so I was booking things like Guess or Maxim and they're like, well, you're too, what did they say to me? You're too thick. You're too chubby.

I don't think they said chubby. You're too big to be like a thin model, like to be a normal model. But you're not big enough to be like a plus size model. And I was like, so where's this talk going? Right. So they fired me. But over quarantine, I was super bored and, you know, really bored. And I was like, oh, this is the time to do it.

So what they did is at BBL, they take fat from everywhere in your body and then they shove it in your butt. Okay. This has to be what Kylie Jenner did, right? Yes, she did. I mean, allegedly. Allegedly. We don't want to lawsuit.

So it's like liposuction and then they put it back in? Exactly. So it's just like rearranged fat. Oh, yeah. I've thought about this before. I mean, it's like... Does the lipo hurt? So I didn't have a lot of pain, honestly,

but you can't sit for two months. Oh. Yeah. So, like, I laid on my tummy. My mom took care of me. Like, you know, I couldn't drive. That's a lot of downtime. I know.

They say it's six weeks, but it's really closer to... Is six weeks two months? No, it's like two months really. Wow. You can't shoot anything. You can't – I mean we'd have to do this with you on your tummy. Interesting.

So – I have a graphic question. Oh, please. How do you use the toilet if you can't sit? So you spend a few nights in like this really nice like hotel with a catheter. I honestly – this sounds weird. I loved my catheter. hotel with a catheter. I honestly, this sounds weird. I loved my catheter. I love my catheter.

I wish I could have one at night right now. I get up to pee five times a night. Imagine you on a road, like in the car. You want to just keep stopping. I'm all about that. So, okay. Right? So I was really happy on my tummy with my pain pills.

You know, I got them all and a catheter. And then, you know, you just move and you lay on your stomach. It hurts your neck and back and stuff. But, I mean, it's like anything. You put the hard work of lying down for two months in. And then you have a big juicy booty. Okay. I can't see you having that downtime to be able to do that.

I'm just hoping that my juicy booty stays after baby. Because I have a huge ass right now. Love that. And I just I've gained all of the weight in my midsection. So I'm like, I'm OK not getting back to the way I was at pre-pregnancy because I think I was a little underweight anyways. So I'm just hoping that these curves I have now naturally just stay and I don't need something like that. Right. But I just I want my butt to

just be like a little more lifted. That's what they do. And no matter how many squats or lifts or whatever I do, I just feel like it's just wide. It's not perky. Yeah. Well, they lift it. They lift it up. They do. So is there anything else involved other than inserting the fat back in there? How do they actually lift it up? I'm not quite sure technically, but I know that it is the way that they insert it. And he uses stem cells too, where I think it's like a sculpting lift. Okay. I wouldn't quote me on that, honestly.

But I think he explained it to me, but I was already like drugged up. And I'm just like, yeah, sounds good. Like, here's my card. But they do lift it. I mean, I don't know if I had before photos, easily acceptable, but it definitely is higher and, you know, quite larger. And is it something that you ever have to get like redone? No. But if you, so anywhere that the fat was taken, they take your fat cells. So if you were to gain weight, it's not going to go back to where they took the fat. Oh. But I didn't do my front stomach because I didn't have like a lot of fat there. And so if I gain weight, it'll first go to my ass, which is where a lot of the fat cells live now. And then it'll go to my front stomach fupa area.

And so that's something to take into account. Like they did my arms, my legs, my bra line, my waist, my flanks, but no front tummy. I feel like Billie had this done too. Oh, yeah. I remember. She talked about it. It was on the show. Okay.

Yeah. No, Ariana and I literally we filmed with her and we went to the doctor with her and we were like waiting and stuff. But I feel like this might, it sounds similar to something she had done. I just remember her ass looked so amazing after. Oh, I remember. Okay. I remember.

Yeah, she posted about it. It was very public knowledge. Okay. Not just outing people's situation. I'm like, Sheena. I know someone else who is on another Bravo show, and I'm pretty sure she got it done on the show, but I'm not going to say her name. Should we speculate? No.

But yeah, and she's been very open about her plastic surgery, too. Who is it? Oh, yeah, she got it done. She talked about it on the show. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, when I saw hers, I was like, oh, because she's thinner. Yeah. I was thinner.

I mean, I'm thinner, kind of. And so I thought, oh, if she can do it with not a ton of fat. Because I said, oh, I'm so thin. Should I gain a ton of weight to do this? And the doctor was like, no, you have plenty of fat. We'll be fine. Fuck you. You're good.

Yeah. So have you been offered new jobs? Or how has this changed your modeling career now? No. I don't know what happened. I'm like, mom, dad, you don't understand. As soon as I post this new ass on Instagram, it's going to be over for everyone. I'm going to buy myself a house.

And then my first butt photo I posted and everyone's like, cool. I'm like, oh, no. But not that I got plastic surgery for other people or for Instagram wink wink but right no it didn't really change my life it just it looks better in leggings and do you personally feel more confident or like how has it changed you um do I feel more confident yeah I like when I you know those TikTok videos of like where they teach you how to twerk it's a little bit easier because I'm like, oh, there's so much fat in there. It just sort of jiggles on its own if you just move your heels.

I'm like, oh, that's cool. But besides that, yeah, no, because I haven't really slept with that many people to enjoy it, I don't think. I mean, yeah, dating in a pandemic. Yeah. Are you even dating now? What are you doing? No. Not at all.

I went out with like two guys and it was just so bad. And I think you have to either go out and like just sleep with someone to like get the ball rolling because you get rusty. I'm sure. I don't know if you guys have experienced this, but when you go through like a dry spell, it's hard to get out of the pajamas with your dog, with the glass of wine to like actually go on the date. It's hard to want to leave your house. Yes, exactly. And I feel like, you know, in a pandemic you're, if your standards aren't already high or high, they get higher because you're like, are you worth me catching COVID? Absolutely. Right. Now it's STDs and COVID. Right. Like what is like the one to punch?

STDs are nothing now. It's like COVID. Oh, you have chlamydia. That's fine. You don't have COVID, right? Yeah. That's so true. And my dog, my dog's eight years old. She's a little eight-year-old French bulldog. So like, I'll ask her, like, do you want me to go find you a potential new father? And she'll be like, no, like, let's watch Bravo. And I'm like, okay. So it's a collab between she and I were like, I'm okay being a single mom for now, but I think, I mean, I'm 29. collab between she and I were like, I'm okay being a single mom for now. But I think I mean, I'm 29. So you got time. Do I? Yes. Okay. I didn't start dating Brock until I was 34. I love that. And you know, divorce and a couple of fuck overs in between. So yeah, you got time. I need to get to my first fuck over after the divorce. I haven't. Yeah, I'm just post divorce

right now. So I need to ask when did you get divorced? I got divorced. I'm just post-divorce right now. So I need the first. Okay, that's what I was going to ask. When did you get divorced? I got divorced, I think like a year and a half ago. Okay. And then, you know, COVID hit and I was like, oh God. Worst time to be alone. Seriously. Yeah. And you wonder, oh, would you have stayed if it happened during quarantine?

Because it's hard. I think I would imagine a lot of people are experiencing like hard to break up with your significant other in the middle of a pandemic. So, I mean, we're still like good friends. But, yeah, no, I just haven't dated. I just, I'm on Raya. I'm on Hinge. I'm on all of them. I've found strangely that I can find the blessings in it.

And because I was kind of not dating during the pandemic, very, very rarely, but it allowed me so much additional time to really think about what I want. And like I said, to raise my standards even higher to see if someone's even worth it, like for my time for me to get out of my pajamas and go meet with them. And I think like prior to that, I was just in this dating cycle where it was like a new guy all the time and you're you're just talking to new people and nothing ever really transpires it's like one bleeds into the next you get everybody like confused with each other and it's like this really allowed me to slow down and actually hear my own thoughts and what I wanted and I think that it's allowed that to actually come into my life so and I think it's helped you

focus on other things. Absolutely. You might not have invested in Sugar Taco or done this food relief program or all these other things you're doing if you were so caught up with dating or something. Yeah. Dating is a big time, especially for women. It's a big time commitment. The getting ready aspect and even just figuring out which guy you want to even go hang out with and then the actual spending time with them and it's like if you put your energy into that you're depleted to not put it into other things that can actually better yourself and better your life and make you

this ideal person for the ideal person that you want so if anything this this time has done that for me so that's amazing and i think i want to adopt that now because it sounds like you have like a mental checklist, which is great. Yeah. So I think maybe if I used what you're doing with myself and thought, okay, like whatever the checklist is, does he meet this criteria? And I think restaurants just opened. So it's like maybe it's time to set the list. Does he check all three or five of these? And then if so, okay, let's just get our ass out of bed, straighten the damn hair and the extensions which are so heavy and then let's just go.

See, I wasn't prepared for dating yet. This came about very quickly. So I have my extensions taken out. Which I love. I have no wax appointments set up and so I had to shave. And then it starts this cycle where it's like, okay, well, now I need to let the hair grow back so I can wax.

So now I can't see you for two weeks. The timing was very off. I was not prepared for this. But back to your point. Not only do you want to be thinking about what they can do for you, but it's like, you know, have this time to improve yourself and make your life exactly what you want it to be so you can be the best person for someone else. And thinking about what you can do for others is great because I, for the longest time, would just think, well, I want this, this, this, and that and never thought like, well,

what am I providing? Yeah. We love accountability because it's like, oh, yeah, exactly what you're saying. You, you, you. Okay, well, what about, what am I doing? What am I providing yeah we love accountability because it's like oh yeah it's exactly what you're saying you you okay well what about what am I doing what am I providing I think that's a really beautiful point am I gonna cry again yeah we encourage crying on this you're doing great we know words of affirmation as we were saying on our break is your love language so you're doing great and as it is yours it's mine you're doing great. And as it is yours. It's mine. You're doing great as well. Thank you.

So great. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I think I just like that reassurance. There's got to be some insecurity that's in there that it's just like, just, you know, feed me tacos

and tell me I'm pretty. What's your horoscope? I'm a Taurus. Oh, you're my love match. Aw. What are you? I'm a Capricorn. I don't know any female Capricorns. We're the worst.

When is that? I don't even know what that is. I'm January 19th. Traits. Positive traits? Either. Oh, negative. What are Capricorns known for? We're really sensitive and we need a lot of praise and reassurance. A lot of our performance is dependent on external praise, which is, or maybe that's just me personally, but I think I read it in a Capricorn horoscope once. Yeah. Yeah. Words of affirmation. And then I think like quality time is like right up there for me.

Oh, yeah. I'm neither. Actually. No, I don't need either of those things. You just need to be touched. I like affection. Yes. And I was joking before I went in the break.

I was like, well, mine is touch. So bring it over here. Bring me that ass. I see it over. No, I'm thinking about it now. I'm thinking like I like effort. So what is that? Acts of service.

Yes. Acts of service. Yeah. I just like seeing somebody is putting thought and effort into something and actually cares and shows that they care. The time I'd rather like I could go. I'm very independent, so I don't need to see someone every day. In fact, I don't think I want to. And I'm actually concerned about ever living with someone again because I love my personal space now. Right. Yeah. I thought that too. Like after the divorce, I lived alone up until the pandemic. And then Brock and I were six months into a relationship move in together because it was like, kind of what choice do we have? You know, we're either two hours apart and not really seeing each other or you come live with me in my house in Palm Springs. worried about that as well because I didn't remember how much I loved living alone and just

having my own space but that's why it's great to have a vacation home and you can always go to my vacation home as I've said if you ever need to get away just go to Palm Springs and that's like yes anytime it's great it's a great little escape but it's like to go from living alone and having your alone time for you know two three years and then just like boom pandemic living with a boyfriend I mean now when he's gone for too long I'm like Sonia coming back I'm bored and that's love right I think when you meet a person that you want to hang out with totally I mean I wouldn't know but I think it's when you don't get sick of that person right and that was why I married my husband.

It was like there was no one else I wanted to be around, and I just never got sick of him. I was like, okay, I think this is it. And then, you know, shit hit the fan six years later. Yeah. But. Six years. It was six years? We were together, I think it was almost seven total.

No, six. 2010 to 16. We were together for four, married for a little over two. Oh, okay. So anything else that you're working on right now that we can talk about? Let me think. I'm just trying to fight the good cyber-willing fight on Dudes in the DM. I love that.

It's a tough pill to swallow? No. Tough fight to fight? Tough fight to fight. But I'm in the DM. I love that. It's a tough pill to swallow. No. Tough fight to fight. Tough fight to fight. But I'm doing it. And I'm thankful. I try to keep a good balance between, like, humor and serious stuff, which is, you know, a balancing act for sure. But I'm trying.

Oh, I did have one more question. So how do you and Nima know each other? Did he slide in your DMs? So Nima. Because I know Nima's type and... Am I it? Yes. So Nima actually was one of the first, I don't want to say, like the first person verified Instagram account to recognize dudes in the DM before anything.

And said, this is so funny, da-da-da-da-da. So he wasn't hitting on me, I don't think. It was just like a affirmation. Or he was stealthily hitting on you yeah but we and when we met and he is really smart so it could have been i see through that shit nima well and his and his podcast was the first one i had ever done really i was so thankful good on it really yeah that was a great interview that was kind of recent wasn't it was like i think it was a few months I think it was a few months ago. Yeah, it was a few months ago. Yeah. And on that podcast

you mentioned that you guys had a friend breakup? Oh, yes. Yes. We filmed. We did. We broke up. What happened? We filmed like an interview sort of thing and then I don't even really know what happened. Like it didn't surface or something. Uh-huh. And then he's like, oh, we gotta do that again. And then I think I was just like

well, what, you know. He's very perfectionist he's a perfectionist yeah oh my god right and I feel like the second like when we made when we got back together I just feel like even doing the podcast with him he's just so sweet he's so good at speaking like he's just I mean I'm really thankful for him because he I mean I was just a rant dudes in the dm wasn't verified I had like 13,000 followers or something crazy. And he was like, I'd love to do a podcast with you. Yeah, I remember him telling me about you when you were going to do his show.

He's awesome. He really is. He's an amazing podcaster. Yes. Great interviewer. And if you guys haven't listened to his podcast, it's with APM. And it's called Off Brand with Nima Vance. Highly recommend it. Paige was on there.

Paige was on it. Yes. Jamie was on it, but I don't think the episode ever aired and I can only assume it didn't meet his standards. Who knows? Who knows where that episode went? It did air. It did? It aired. Oh, I never heard it. Oh, so then you'll have to listen to that. I'll have to check it out.

You missed it. I had no idea I missed it. Maybe he didn't post it. Maybe he posted it to his close friends and you're not one of his close friends. Ooh, we're starting drama on here today. Mima, what's the deal? Just kidding. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. Paige, why don't you tell them where they can find you and go give her a follow?

Yes. Paige is on at Paige Woolen and And then also at dudes in the DM. Boom. Jamie, you want anyone else sliding in your DMs? No, I'm good. Oh, what? Okay. Stay tuned.

It's good content for me. But I will say, I do love hearing from the listeners. And I love this community that you have created, Sheena, with all of your shenanigans listeners. And I love hearing from everybody. And so grateful that you guys enjoy the content that we're putting out. Yeah. Just want to say love you all and feel free to DM me. I get back to everybody.

And stay tuned. We're going to be following up with Jamie's DM dude next week. To be continued. Yes. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenan Bye. Sheena Shea. Shea FK. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans with Sheena Shea. Download new episodes every week on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Looking fine and I got my girls with me. With the boys at the table getting tipsy. Miss me, kiss me one more time.

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