Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Everything Iconic about VPR Finale w/ Danny Pellegrino

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

This week, Scheana is joined by NYT Bestselling Author, “Everything Iconic” podcast host, and Bravo connoisseur, Danny Pellegrino, along with Scheana’s husband Brock Davies on the guest co-host mic. Scheana begins the episode by asking Danny the ‘iconic’ status of certain Bravo fixtures? The SUR Alley, the Bunny, the Toms…some things no longer make the cut.    From here, discussion quickly jumps to Bravo’s Super Bowl — this week’s VPR finale. Scheana let’s Danny ask away with all of his burning questions: Who else did Sandoval cheat with? What really happened after WWHL? What did Schwartz know & when did he know it? Has Scheana heard from Rachel? New Scandoval details come to light… Tune in to find out!     Follow us: @scheana  @scheananigans   Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.   Go to www.factormeals.com/teamariana50 and use code teamariana50 to get 50% off your first box     Produced by Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now here's your host, Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Oh my gosh.

I don't know if anyone is feeling good as gold this week because... Wow. Bruh. I mean... The craziest thing I've ever seen. I'm sorry to jump in. No, I was just trying to think of like, how do I even start this episode? I was just trying to think of like, how do I even start this episode?

First of all, we have the iconic Danny Pellegrino on the mic with Brock co-hosting. And we're going to break down this finale. We're going to answer some questions. You just live with like the greatest intro in any of this. It threw me on the bottom of that. Of all times to be here, I feel like this is Super Bowl Sunday. This is I mean, everyone. I hope everyone watched this live because it was the craziest thing you all have ever done. And it feels weird talking about it because I know you all lived it and it's sad. And of course, we want to say that up front where our hearts are with Ariana and all that.

Yes, of course. But just from a production level, it was incredible. It was like a Super Bowl. And it was like the Patriots playing somebody else. But it was like the Super Bowl win against Atlanta Falcons. And they were down in the third quarter and they came back and won. It was that intense. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Probably half the audience listened to this. It's like the Real Housewives of New York boat trip. Or it's like the... Yeah, if they all took acid and potty. Okay, so before we get into the reunion, I thought it would be fun to play a little game. Shout out to our girl, Shannon Stern, who made a game for you, Danny,

called Is It Still Iconic it still iconic oh okay so we're gonna go through like 10 to 15 bravo scenarios and things and I want you to give a little commentary on it and tell us if it is still iconic and then I'm gonna ask you all my finale questions because I have so many okay okay let's do it the sir back alley still iconic yes even more so now because I'm i missed it for so long and then when it appeared last week on the episode i was so excited to see that sir dump yes totally so good the bunny lisa rena's gift no i'm over the bunny i'm over the bunny they lean too far into the bunny all the time it's like yeah yeah yeah get something the capri room

oh yes yeah i haven't been but yeah we'll say yes it's dorit on beverly hills house yeah being the number one guy in the group no that's not no that's done was that ever a thing or did it become a thing for like but was it a thing my question was not jack's made it a thing was it a thing it was sort of a thing yeah yeah it was kind of a thing. But now everyone says Ariana's the number one girl in the group. Alright, the goat cheese balls at Sir. Always iconic.

Having your own product line. Yeah, but I have a problem on Bravo. I wish we could scale back the wearing of the merch. Do you know what I mean? We definitely went hard on the last two weeks you've just got so much variety of sweat and athletic leisure i don't like to see all that on

it takes me out of it a little bit and it happens especially on beverly hills housewives like i hate the agency hat and i get like it's i understand it but i just wish we could i wish the network would scale i say well i think i think also like when it comes to filming you either wear your branded products or you can't wear branded clothing so then you're kind of in that middle of the two so it's like well if i'm wearing clothes might as well just wear my brand promote my merch yeah i would do it i just as a viewer i'm like oh yeah perfect i'm gonna stop all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No, but I get it. I just, I'm like, oh man, wait, does it have to be every scene? It's, I think it's especially bad on Housewives. Like I don't notice it. I noticed the send it to Daryl. Was she wearing that at the finale?

Yes. I noticed that. But on the Housewives, it's like, oh man, every time I see Kyle Richards, she's got the agency hat on. I'm like, I don't think she would wear that normally. Gotcha. Right. Okay. Right. Okay. Perfect. This is a Luann to Bethany comment.

Please don't let it be about Tom or basically anyone named Tom on Bravo. Yeah. The Toms on Bravo are no longer iconic, but also, yeah, it's the Toms don't date a Tom. It's like a red flag. Yeah. Never trust a Tom. Put that on a show to wear it. Brock, I'm so excited to ask you some questions too.

Okay, wait, I'm sorry. I'm jumping. Okay. Mug shots or being arrested on camera? Oh, that's iconic. I like that. I like a mug shot. Who is Honky Dory?

Well, Kathy Hilton. Yeah, that's iconic. Kathy Hilton is Honky Dory. She is Honky Dory. I'm worried she's not back next season. I don know do you follow that stuff i do and i heard but i don't know for sure maybe she i don't know if it's been officially announced but i i yeah i don't i don't think she's been like spotting her choosing like her going back from filming i guess so there were some threats made last season so I could see it going

both ways of them being like, we don't need you back if you're going to threaten us. I don't know. I get it. And I'm curious about your show too because people on these casts say they don't want to film with certain people. So where do you guys go next season? We're going to figure it out, Danny. We're going to figure it out.

Lisa Vanderpump is going to be having a lot of gatherings. Your publicist is over here and probably just like so upset of all the editing. Hopefully we don't have to edit too much. I say, okay, Bravo. Liberty's popping up on each other's shows.

Oh, I like that. I love it. We need more of it. Yeah. And I'm, yeah, I'm very antsy for you all to do like a girl's trip or something like that.

Where the cast of the other shows besides Housewives come together. Yes. The younger kids, right? Yeah. Because what is the ultimate girls trip for the ladies on Housewives? What about like the kids? Yeah. What about the younger ones?

We know we're parents. Yeah. They do Winter House, but I have a problem with Winter House because I feel like somehow the Summer House cast has overtaken that generation on camera and you all are the blueprint for that and so i get offended on the behalf of the banner pump rules because i'm like no let's stop acting like the summer house cast are the stars yeah you guys built this network we started summer house as well remember yeah Yeah. We were the bridge to that show. Last one. Okay.

It's all happening. Oh, still iconic. Yes. And you know I sell like temporary tattoos. I know. I've had people come up to me and show me theirs. Like, sir, they're like, look, I got one. I was like, where did you get them? They're like, Danny Pellegrino sells them.

Yeah, they're on our Everything Iconic.store, I think is the website. Yes. Yeah, we put them up a long time ago and people still like order them all the time. And it's just one of those like temporary things. And oftentimes people send me they'll get like a batch of them for a bachelorette party or something like that. That's what I've seen too. Oh, man. That's so that must be so weird.

No, I love it. I mean, yeah, this has become iconic. We ran into somebody else a couple of times. Multiple people. Whenever they say they'll put their hand up for the photo and it's like a whole thing. Yeah. I'm impressed. I've always been impressed when I started dating.

I was always just kind of like taken back of like, wow, the impact that this show and these characters, these cast members have on pop culture. And I mean, right now you can see it. They were in the freaking White House. Like the whole world is, it's so crazy. Iconic. Yeah. Iconic. they were in the freaking white house like the whole world is it's so crazy iconic yeah iconic i mean it must be weird for you all because the show had a couple seasons that were rough there was a lizard funeral and it was dark times for us fans yeah eight and nine were rough yeah very rough but to have this renaissance must be a mind fuck because it's exciting on some,

on the television level, but then also it's weird. The circumstances that are correct. That's the thing. It's like, yay. The show is higher rated than ever, but not yay because of the reasoning,

you know, it's like this massive heartbreaking betrayal scandal that has put us back at number one. It's like, that's not how you want to get back to number one. But we're there. So now what do we do while we're there? What do we do next season? Where do you think we go, Danny?

Well, I'm so interested to hear what happens. I mean, I think from a production level, I would want if I was like, let's say I had the magic keys to the castle or something i i think having tom and rachel there are is important for story just like where it goes yeah no one's saying they should be fired we just don't want to film with them but yeah that's what i was just gonna say like i don't know how you could want to film with them yeah no we don't that's the thing it's like i'm not going to be reaching out to Rachel to get lunch to talk. There has never been any closure for you and Rachel.

No, there will have to be a conversation, obviously, without a restraining order in place. It went from a restraining order and all that process and go at least straight into like the lies and the manipulation and the reunion, like all of it, all encompassing. So it makes it very difficult to be like, oh, we should have a normal conversation. But also let me tell you that when and if we do ever have a conversation in whatever capacity it will be, it will be a very different conversation, a very different tone and a very different outcome than if we had it week of when everything was fresh. I fully planned on filming with her, sitting down with her when cameras picked back up. I was going to talk about what happened in New York that night with her. And I had spoken to Ariana about it. She said, absolutely. It's okay. Sit down with her, sit down with Tom.

Cause I wasn't going to film those scenes without running it by her first, of course. But now that there's been a restraining order filed, now that there has been so much emotional distress that I went through dealing with all of this court and the fact that this bitch still has not even tried to text me. I've specifically not blocked her just to see if she reaches out. She'll reach out. Wait, I had a question for you, though. Did Tom ever reach out as sort of explaining the way that did he ever apologize almost on her behalf? Or did he have some explanation about the

restraining order? He tried. He tried to. He blamed her family. Yeah. Let's just say that I'm not protecting them. He blamed her family. He said that they convinced her to do this. Oh, so the her mom or something made it sound like it was a Britney Spears situation and she had no control over her own actions and was forced to do all of this. Oh yeah. Whether that's true or not, that is what he said. What was so fascinating to me was that one scene. I want to know if you all knew of anything when she stopped filming. So also one thing, no, it's fine.'s fine. This is what we're doing. One thing that I've never said publicly or

anywhere was when she stopped filming she turned her phone off. Sandoval had reached out to Brock and asked if we had spoken to her because he couldn't get a hold of her. Turns out she was okay. She just turned her phone off trying to figure out how to deal with it and it was by response of her. Turns out she was okay. She would just turn her phone off trying to figure out how to deal with it. And it was by response of her crisis PR team recommended to do X, Y, and Z.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the hard part. And I've mentioned this on my show a bunch of times, but it's like watching as the viewer, you keep wanting to find a sliver of opportunity to show some empathy for them because I don't know naturally, like, that's who I am. It's like, I want to find some sort of good. I mean, with Tom, too, because I knew him. But then with her as well, it was like, okay, well, maybe she was manipulated a little bit or maybe this or that.

But then it's like, she never shows any sort of, even on this finale, I was stunned. That one scene she did film, zero remorse. Danny, this is why New York that night, she showed no remorse. The second she grabbed my wrist,

I just had to get her as far away from me as possible because I was like, how are you not crying right now? How are you not so upset? I was like, oh my my god i'm so sorry like ariana it was never supposed to like no there was there was no tears not one tear what is that though why why do you sociopathic it's like crazy it's something it's it's not okay yeah it's not a behavior trait that you would want to see in someone that you will care about because you

it's kind of just like it's very very selfish but it hurts a lot of people and it's kind of just like, it's very, very selfish, but it hurts a lot of people and there's no empathy. Yeah. I always thought she was just like a sweet dummy. I didn't know she was like an evil or like. I don't know. It's like watching it. It's hard like saying that out loud, like calling somebody evil.

But she is. But whatever that is, it's not a normal social behavior where you could act like that. that is it's not a normal social behavior where you could act like that and then but i think for her she was she wanted it that bad that this didn't matter she was getting what she wanted they were breaking up and she wanted to be with tom and she wanted that do you think any of it was motivated by more than just her relationship with tom meaning was some of it motivated by fame or by. I honestly do not think so. I don't think that was a motivation at all. I think she is a very lost girl who is constantly seeking attention from men

to feel better about herself. I think it was just a confidence thing. And Tom is very good at making you feel heard. He's very good at making you, you know, listen, listening to you. He's very good at being that good friend friend which is why in our inner group circle we just put aside like oh they're

close together they're leaning in talking to each other they're having intimate moments we just knew that as a way that how tom connects with us is on an intimate level and what i believe happened with rical is she took that from going from James Kennedy to then to then having these guys trying to hook up with her after James Kennedy and her running that gauntlet then to having that running that attention I think she needed that and that's what she got that's what she fell in love with and that was where at the point she was like well it's been happening for so long it's eating her away and then it gets to a point where selfishly she wants them to break up. But she wasn't hearing that from Ariana.

And you guys saw that the episodes earlier where she was like, well, how are you guys doing? Because she's getting a message from Tom saying that, you know, we're not good, we're not good, we're going to break up, like it's a blah, blah. She's getting fed that information, and then there's her feelings plus how Tom treats her. She's getting fed that information. And then there's her feelings plus how Tom treats her. But then after this, you see in this episode, no remorse. Zero. And you also have seen Tom gas her up, you know, all season.

So when he's constantly just complimenting her and being the way he always was with his friends, you know, so much love and your number one cheerleader and all of that so it's like he was that to her she was that to him but then it went beyond that and it should have just stated a friendship and the fact that they both crossed the line one time then another and it just kept going it just makes this whole thing unforgivable to me like everyone's like but you know like you always get over everything and you see both sides and you like, I've had Lisa Vanderpump ask me like, have you spoken to Sandoval recently? I'm like,

the fuck? No. I think you hit it on the head, honey. When you told me after that conversation with Lisa, you're like, you are no longer going to be the person that bridges the divide in these groups.

That is not going to be me. She has always been that person. She's like, oh, well I can see, but there's no need to take a side. There needs to be a lot of accountability and a lot of apology through actions and through time. Okay, but let me just say, you know, when Lisa asked me this the other day, if I've talked to Sandoval,

and I'm like, no, because people always see me as the person who sees both sides, who understands, who's like, yeah, but she did this, but it's because of like, no moving forward in life in general, this has completely changed who I am as a person. This has changed how I trust people. This has changed who I let in, who I share things with. This has really, really changed me. So moving forward, I think you're going to see a different Sheena because I just I can't I can't condone, accept or anything that behavior. All right, y'all. I'm back again to talk to you about Factor, America's number one ready to eat meal kit that can help you fuel up fast with ready to eat meals delivered straight to your door. If you guys have seen on Instagram, if you've been listening to the podcast, then you know, this is what I have been eating. Honestly, breakfast, lunch and dinner breakfast, I start

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they knew that this would be humiliating to Ariana. And so like, I don't, that's what doesn't sit well with me is like, they kept doing it over and over again, knowing that even if you were done with the relationship, you know, that you're, you're a smart enough person. I mean, they're both dummies, but they're smart enough to know that they're going to humiliate this person that they loved and cared for. And Ariana, especially, I had just rewatched the whole series. I know. I wanted to ask you about this. It was so random. Before all this happened, I was recovering from a health thing. And I rewatched it.

But she always had her back and his back. I mean, a crazy amount. We were blindly loyal to them. I'm not blindly loyal to a lot of people. I do see all sides. But when it came to Sandoval, Ariana Ariana and Rachel, those were three people I was pretty fucking blindly loyal to. Ariana always because that's my girl. But with Sandoval, you couldn't say a bad thing about him.

I would have a comeback for everything. Same with her. Like I was their number one fan and friend. And I was so supportive of everything they did. I went to her fucking beauty pageant three nights in a row. Left my baby at home to go three nights in a row. Three nights in a row? Because it was a three night pageant and her family wasn't there.

So she was going to be by herself. And wasn't Tom at one alone? He came with us. He came with us. He came with Ariana to one and then he came by himself to another one, I think. Sorry, what? Yeah, I think he came by himself one time. That's weird. It's weird. Exactly. But at the time, we're like, we're her only friends. We're her only support system. Her family weren't in town.

Like, we could do that for her. Every Tom Sandoval and the Most Extras show, I was at. We were literally... What is going on with that? I like watching it. Hold on. I need to clear this up because last week on the podcast michael rapaport and i were talking about how sandoval has now changed the lyrics to not only jesse's girl but stacy's mom and when michael and i were doing the podcast i was stupid i was confused i was like wait no it's jesse's girl it's schwartz's mom

but then i was like schwartz's mom has got i was like no wait, no, it's Jesse's girl. It's Schwartz's mom. But then I was like, Schwartz's mom has got, I was like, no, no, no. This is Stacy's mom. And he does not say Schwartzy. Can't you see Raquel is not the girl for me? No. He says, Schwartzy, can't you see that Raquel is hot for me? It's sick. It's so sick. Just when it's like you people want to maybe feel bad for him what it's like there's no opportunity they give no opportunity like the odd it's shocking to me that there are some people if you kind of like look online and stuff you see there there are a couple people who like are on their side there are a few but i like look at it i'm like well if you're watching the same thing there's they're not giving any sort of leeway for anyone.

But maybe you want to be contrarian or whatever it is, or I don't know what the reasoning would be, but it's like they're not really giving anything. No. And it's just another level of disrespect. I mean, one of the first things they did after all of this was when Ariana was in Canada filming her movie. He had her over for a sleepover. Mind you, the night before, we were supposed to appear in court that next morning. So I'm sitting at court and she's in his bed. You had an Elle Woods moment though when you were coming out. I did. That was worth it.

I thought. Thank you. I just stopped and let it go for a little bit. This is you. I felt like you, I don't know if you were giving legal jargon, but there was like a clip I saw. There was a little bit. Yeah. Abuse of process. Yeah. I was like, oh man. I'm comfortable using legal jargon, but there was like a clip I saw. There was a little bit. Yeah, abuse of process. Yeah. I'm comfortable using legal jargon in everyday life. Wait, I gotta ask, though.

On the finale, Tom alludes to hooking up with somebody else that maybe the friend group knew. And of course, there's these rumors about Billy Lee. So do you think it was Billy Lee? I absolutely think it was Billy Lee. And Kristen Doty and i were just talking about this after watching the finale this week when i'll fill you in later honey fill us all in right yeah let's fill everybody in you really billy lee yes this was what season six i think

there was the rumor six or seven oh maybe it was the season seven i don't know regardless sometime around then those seasons are a blur to me. I try not to remember those years of my life. Yeah, we can forget them. But there was this rumor. Jesse Montana said that Billy Lee and Sandoval hooked up. And of course, Ariana and I are the first people to shut it down. These are our friends.

They would never do that. Blah, blah, blah. Fast forward. Fast forward. When I study Sandoval's behavior now, watching the show as a past friend, a fan, a view and in every way, when I watch him now, I see the lies as they're coming out of his mouth. The whole Labor Day thing was, oh, well, I thought you wanted to be. No, fuck you. No. So I'm I couldn't get an Uber. Exactly. Lies. So I'm in this conversation with him

and as he's saying this to me, I didn't think that there was maybe someone else. But when I watched it back and when I spoke to Kristen after she watched it, she goes, there's at least two, two or more. Because the way he said it, he goes, there was one more time like, no, you didn't know. Well,

yeah, but I'm not going to say I'm like, you're talking about two different girls. You're saying one time there was someone where it's like, no, you don't know her. But then you're like, oh, wait, fuck. But then there was that other time where you do, but I'm not going to throw her under the bus. So I do think there were at least two times he cheated on her outside of Miami Girl because Miami Girl is hashtag. He was confirming Miami Girl in the episode. I got a little confused. Yes.

I was so on the edge of my seat. My blood was like rushing to that whole episode. The whole episode. When it started, let me just say, I want to go on the record right now and say bravo to Bravo, to Evolution, and to everyone. We deserve an Emmy. Totally. and to everyone, we deserve an Emmy.

Totally. The editing of the show this season from episode 13 with the back and forth and the Labor Day and the rewind and fast forward. Iconic. Epic. And Shakespearean, the dialogue even, like the Ariana and Tom scene. And I hate to say that because people already say

that you guys are faking the whole thing or whatever. Oh God, no. But it was, you can't script something that good. You can't. I really would like, like, Bravo, you should do a show on making these shows. Like an extra six-part episode where it goes season, episode one, two, and three, the making of. Because you then actually understand that these are conversations we're having. And all we're trying to do is give you a very clear conversation and give you a pathway

through this craziness. I have a fantasy that Bravo does a show where they cast it like a Housewives or Vanderpump Rules or something, but they don't tell the cast that the show is going to be just fully breaking the fourth wall. So you really get to see the personalities and you're micing up and everything.

I feel like that would be so good. Well, yeah, because you would. You should see the shit that happens on the other side of the cameras. It's interesting. But that was one of the best things I thought about this finale is the way it starts off. It's like March 1st, 2023.

And it's like, and then you see, we're on Watch What Happens Live. When have we ever been on Watch What Happens Live on Vanderpump Rules? They barely started doing it on Beverly Hills Housewives and maybe some of the other housewives.

They've always treated them as just like you guys are bartenders. fact that celebrities in Tom and Rachel's scene when they kept oh we can't kiss because of cameras and when they talked about just every time breaking the fourth wall I thought it was epic everything evolution that y'all did with this season and this last episode was fucking incredible wait Wait, not to go back. But so you said there was at least two other women. Yes. You think.

Yes. And I think I know who they are. Who is who are they? So one theory is, of course, Billie. Yeah. But the other theory is there was a lead singer who was with Tom Sandoval on the most extras in the beginning and all of a sudden just was gone. And there wasn't really an explanation. So that's the theory. was with Tom Sandoval in the most extras in the beginning and all of a sudden just was gone and there wasn't really an explanation so that's the theory because it's like well you knew her but

you didn't but then oh but then there's the one the Billy that you knew and yeah okay so that's that's the theory that's what Kristen thinks and Kristen Doty's usually pretty right so you're seeing Kristen pop up on the episodes I don't. All of it was just the whole episode. The only little note that I had, it's not even a note, because I was just analyzing the episode in my head. I'm like, okay, this, this. But I loved how it ended with you and Sandoval. But my only little thing was I kind of wish they had Katie in that scene

because it would have been the OGs ending that kind of thing. Yeah, but it would have changed the entire dynamic. Katie and I, at that point, had barely started speaking again. Sandoval and I have always, up until March 1st, had a very close friendship. Back in the Miami Girl days, I was not too keen on him, and obviously I was trying to get Ariana out back then.

But when I realized this was going to be friendship ending with Ariana, if I kept coming for her man and I knew I just needed to let that go, respect her decision. She's making the best choice for her. And Sandoval and I became closer than ever. So that scene was literally two best friends. Just it was like a final conversation. It was a breakup. It really was. It was at the end of it.

I didn't know how the conversation was going to go. Going into it, I'm like, is he going to come in angry? Is he going to be yelling at me? Is he going to be crying? I was like, I don't know what to say to you, bro. Wait, the funniest moment of that whole thing, I think it was right before with Brock, he brought in a package.

And Brock, I think you thought it was a gift, like an apology gift. And he's like, oh, it was outside your door. door oh my god it's so fucking funny i'm like all right bro listen i don't know what you brought a gift thank you but i'm out of here i'm not like offering you a drink when you come in you know like it just it it was the hardest scene I've ever filmed in 10 years, when Shay and I filmed our divorce, I didn't know that that conversation was going into a divorce. I thought we were going to make up. He was going to be honest.

And when I knew he wasn't being honest in that, then the whole scene switched. But that was like a audible in the moment. This conversation going into it, I've never had so much anxiety. I had no idea how it was going to go. I'm like, how do we end this conversation? I'm not hugging him. I either I'm going to tell him to leave or I'm going to have to leave. And it just, at the end of it, I'm like, I was just so sad. Like, I don't know how any of my heart too. Yeah. Yeah. It was a really tough time. Well, yeah, it's hard. I mean, I only knew I am a little bit, you know, like I worked on a book with them and I got to know.

But Ariana and I got close and I feel like with I just never got super close with him in that way. I didn't think. But so even with that relationship, I even you know, it's like you feel so protective of Ariana that it's like the emotions get so heated. And so you do get really upset. And so I keep thinking, though, those people I mentioned who are kind of like defending Tom. I'm like, well, imagine if he did this to your friend. Yeah. You'd be like a livid. No one would allow that.

You'd be livid. Yeah. I I mean it's unforgivable it doesn't and then I mean even like talking about it now after we just watched that episode like I felt bad for them before but at the same time it's like you gotta show some remorse this didn't help show something yeah because then I think people would

you'd be like well they they fucked up they made a mistake even though it happened a million times you would at least she's smiling they're cheersing they're like oh we can't she know that was disgusting it was sick disgusting i've watched it three times now and every time i'm just like oh my god oh my god i'm not okay i'm not okay what about when they act was it sort of accidental where they said i love you or she said they love you and she was oh my love you too I've never seen something like that

I mean if you ever watch The Office it's like there's moments where you just cringe humor that's what I felt like watching that scene of just like oh they accidentally said I love you for the first time on camera crazy yeah your family thinks about this

well they love you I love you too I didn't say that they loved you, not me. But also he didn't just let it slide. He was like, no, let me correct you. I did not say I love you, but okay, I love you too. Wait, so then she just turned off her phone. Did anyone hear about what happened after that? Did they try to, I don't know if you can answer this,

but were they trying to get her to film a specific other scene like with you? Or what was the plan? I would like to have those conversations. But right now, Ariana comes first. So I'm letting her make those decisions. And she was like, absolutely do what you need to do. But then she just went rogue. And we heard she was in Thousand Oaks or she was in Phoenix or Tucson or.

Also in that scene where she's like, oh, look at my eye. And I was like, oh, my God. And also, can I point out where was the black eye in that scene where she's like oh look at my eye and i was like oh my god and also can i point out where was the black eye in the scene with tom where was the black eye because the next day it appeared when she went to urgent care but it wasn't there in the scene let's let's okay i don't want to like listen she just obviously has bags under her eyes anyway and she has for a while well we've seen that okay Okay, we've seen that. The scratch on your face will heal.

Don't be accusing anybody of trying to punch you. And look, I don't condone violence. My grandma used to say, though, sometimes be careful what you ask for because you might get it. So I'm not saying, of course, I do not. People, don't twist it. No, I'm not a violent person. Anyone who knows not. People don't twist. No, I'm not a violent person.

Anyone who knows me, I don't fight. I don't punch. I'm not capable of actually punching. So you didn't go Azusa on her ass? I mean, it was an Azusa shove. I just imagine I I understand the no violence thing, of course. But I thinking of it from your perspective like i could just imagine put anyone put yourself in your shoes in a moment like that where you just found out this two of your friends were hooking up behind your other best friends back and betraying her like of course

you're gonna be pissed off i wanted a reaction from her and that's why after she grabbed my wrist i like pushed her because i'm like say something something. Say, give me something. Give me a tear. Yell at me. Say you're sorry. Like there was nothing. It was just blank. And it was like, whoops. But I almost think not to turn it back to Tom, but I almost think what he's he's even more manipulative in showing so much emotion.

Because I'm like, it's all bullshit. That's the thing. So, OK, his scene with Schwartz. emotion because I'm like it's all bullshit. That's the thing. So okay his scene with Schwartz. Do you call bullshit and he was acting or do you think he was genuinely remorseful and sad or did he just feel bad for himself?

My opinion is that he's thinking in his head I am in a scene right now I gotta show some remorse. Because he's aware enough of how he's being perceived. He realizes this is a safe place and he needs to let it out and and and show some empathy or get it out because your world is crumbling right now around you and that's before

cameras are up and your businesses and everything i don't know it's all it's all encompassing and that's one thing i want to point out like like there's two people involved in that place okay you guys like i think there needs to be a backpedal of that aggressiveness towards like tearing everything else down judge the man judge that but then there are people that work at that place there are peoples that have their money in it like their family and and so there's there's like a gray area on that yeah enough of that i get it but i also think like you know you guys put your name on it exactly like don't have those actions if you don't want the consequences. You know, you are a public figure.

You're on a television show. If you're going to act a fool, expect the repercussions. I'm not saying I think that Schwartz and Sandy should be burned to the ground. Right, right, right. But you've got to expect repercussions. You've got to expect people tagging up the bathroom. It's going to happen because you were a piece of shit. I didn't even know. Are people doing that?

That's what I mean. Like there's a level where it's like, ah, and then there's a level where it's like, okay, what are you really doing? It was like lipstick on the mirror and said Team Ariana. I kind of think people should, if you don't, it's good to, if you don't want to go and not support the business. Exactly. Just don't go.

I don't know about vandalism and stuff. It takes things. No, but it's like. But there's a fine line between you guys, the following on the show, and we're seeing the impact it's actually having. Yeah. And then just the social media was already aggressive. I can only imagine what's going on in their page right now after this episode.

Yeah. I really can't. And, like, I hope you guys are great. I hope you guys are fine. But know that, like, you guys, the only way forward for this group for them is literally actions, keeping your mouth shut and just doing the right thing

and showing everyone that you are remorseful and you understand your actions. That's how I see the only way for that to come forward. And it's going to take more than a season for anybody to have these conversations with these people. And don't make excuses. Just, you have to say you're sorry. Like, yeah, I screwed up.

Just own it. You fucked up. But like Rachel has still yet to do that. Her apology to Ariana was such bullshit. It was a text message that was like, I don't have words, but sorry. Wait, wait. Okay.

Wait till you see because the reunion's coming up, right? Yeah, next week. Oh, I can't wait. We haven't seen it yet, but I lived it. This is the tea. I'm going to put it out there. You have to watch all three. Obviously.

And then remember this conversation. Then think about what was said from one, two, and three. And it is going to blow. You think it's bad? It gets fucking worse. So, Sheena, were you just watching from far away? I was eating popcorn. Yeah, we had a trailer set up that has,

I think you saw a little bit of this on the reunion preview that came out. You see Rachel and Tom in a trailer together. Oh, yeah. So we basically swapped places. So the trailer was a little over 100 yards away. So when I have to leave leave set so they hopped in cars i get in a car she leaves the trailer and we made it so we were never in the same vicinity as each other but we basically it was yeah minimum imagining like a production person having to

i almost wasn't gonna come because i'm like if you guys can't abide by the restraining order, I could literally get arrested on set. And I'm sure that would be great for TV. Also, how fucked up though that she couldn't just go into that room and be like, you know what? Let Sheena be here. She obviously nothing really happened. She wasn't actually a great.

She did. Can we cover that? She did abuse the process. And when we went to court, there were people in there that actually needed that system. We wasted people's time. Okay. That's the first problem with that. The second one was she was in bed with Tom at his house and didn't come to court.

The second part was when you guys watch the third part is when you watch the reunion, the BS that comes out of her mouth in the beginning about this whole process thing. And you're going to laugh about it when you watch the reunion, the BS that comes out of her mouth in the beginning about this whole process thing, and you're going to laugh about it when you see it. It is absolutely ridiculous. She's not smart enough to probably come up with a reason. I promise you, I promise you brain cells at this point in time was like, this will work, but I'm just watch and see. Lala said it best.

Rachel goes into scenes with, and we've seen this on reunions from the past. Whatever interviews she's in, she goes in with a set plan, a script. So to say, you know, she's a pageant girl. She's memorized her speeches. And I remember I think it was the season seven reunion. I was wearing like a green velvet dress, whatever reunion that was. I think it was the season seven reunion. I was wearing like a green velvet dress, whatever reunion that was. I think it was seven. And Raquel is sitting next to me. Back then she was Raquel. She was my friend then. And she's sitting next to me and she starts the same

sentence over, I think three times. And I was like, oh, you rehearse this. And then after she told me, she was like, yeah, I had a speech. Like I rehearsed it. And so with all of this recently, you know, it's like she had a plan. This was how it was going to work out. And Lala said it best when her plan doesn't go accordingly. It's like she short circuits and then she's like, wait,

what do I do? Brock, you were at the reunion, right? I made an appearance, but I was, I was purely there for support, like with this whole thing going on.

And so I rocked up and then I met her in the trailer. And that was an experience in itself because I didn't just get to watch the reunion. I got to watch all of it from the TV. Oh, I'm jealous. And I walked in there and I was just kind of like, I'm a fly on this wall. Is this really happening? And everything went out throughout that day. I was 100% was just eating popcorn and just watching the whole thing.

I would give so much money to pay-per-view if I could just watch the unedited footage. That was what it was. I was just there and we were just blown away. Because obviously it was everyone going in on them and we're just listening to it and we had front row seats. Well, did you see that Peacock just posted that they're doing extended episodes for the rest of the season? Like extra scenes and extended for the reunion.

Yeah. We need it. Exclusively on Peacock. episodes for the rest of the season like extra scenes and extended for the reunion yeah we need it exclusively on peacock or or on your youtube channel which we have to get to 100 000 subscribers your vlog really was the saving grace of this season i know i was saying on my podcast i was like she couldn't literally do a whole network of just sheena's vlog footage because i feel like you always have a new vlog yes i, and I have a new vlog every week. My friends are obviously comfortable being on my camera. It's just me with a little camera and I capture

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Sheena, I know everyone's going to be tuning in and I'm worried in my head because i know everyone's gonna be tuning in and i'm worried in my head because i know everyone's gonna be listening this episode they're gonna want all the dirt i'm trying to make sure i get everything so i'm thinking we gotta get into the shorts of it all yeah let's get into the shorts of it so do you his story seems to have changed a bunch of times about like when he knew when he didn't know i love the scene where him and ariana were sitting down and she's like i'm'm not friends with him anymore. I just was, I thought that was like a good stand. Yeah.

But what do you think about what Schwartz knew? Or do you think he should turn his back on Tom? See, I think Schwartz was put in a very tough position because bro code, you know, you have your boys back, but you tell them to do the right thing. Yeah. Bro code, you know, you have your boys back, but you tell them to do the right thing. I think that Schwartz genuinely did find out after the wedding.

I do believe that. I don't think Schwartz is the type of manipulative person who would act as a decoy willingly and kiss her. I think those feelings in that moment for him were real and he felt a spark and he went with it. And then he even said in his interviews, he felt like that kind of got his Schwartz back and it just like felt good to be wanted by someone young and whatever. It's also a textbook midlife crisis.

Like it's crazy. The way that Sandoval kept saying it in the episode. Yes. It was crazy. He just, Oh, I turned 40 and it's like, you're literally just a textbook midlife crisis.

Yeah, 100%. With the band and the hair and the nail. I mean, all of it. I know. So I do think he found out after that. But the problem is that was the end of August. We didn't find out until Ariana found Sandoval's phone on stage. handed it to her you know march 1st so between end of august and march why didn't schwartz say sandoval i've had enough covering for you now you have invited her to big bear they're doing this like double date which maybe schwartz wanted joe to come but then joe brought rachel and i know that we don't know the context behind all the double dating because it was it or did because

Schwartz also isn't living in a cloud half the time anyway. So we kind of just like hanging out. But my biggest issue with Schwartz is I don't think he ever once said to Sandoval, if you don't tell her by Valentine's Day, I'm telling her. So put the fucking pressure on him. Be a good friend. Light a fire under his ass for once. Don't be so passive and submissive.

I don't care if it's your very best friend. You still talk to your best friend. You say, oh, you did this thing. And I'm going to tell her in three days or whatever amount, whatever the number is. In two hours, if you don't tell her, I'm going to tell her. Or in a week, this is a date. Because otherwise, yeah, they'll just keep dragging it on. And that's the thing.

And he never did that. No, he never did. And Schwartz also had a very strong friendship with Ariana. She was a fucking groomsman for him and his wedding. So as much as it's like, okay, yeah, you could understand that Tom's his best friend. He had bro code or whatever. There needed to be a time to break that out of respect for Ariana and say, if you don't tell her by this day,

I've had enough, I'm done doing it. I'm telling her. And he never did that. I think it puts him in a, in a, first off, you're expecting to do something that his character doesn't do,

which is like stand up for himself and other things. And we love him for that endearing self, but it gets you in trouble when you have to have serious conversations. And so I don't think you should we're all expecting him to do this when it's not even in his personality to do that schwartz was put in a really shitty position because so much shit that guy on your show like he gets away with everything i literally got so much shit all season and he didn't yeah because he's like a little puppy dog people just let everything slide and even this season i i've

said a million times but it's like this season i think by the end of it he would have looked without the scandal he might have been the villain of the season yeah and he still is on some level but yet somehow again he sort of slides by and he's not his socks and his flip-flops and goes out and put on some closed shoes but i can i can forgive him for that because he was in a really shitty situation. And so that's where he gets my pass from for me. But he also, you know,

he's, he, it's, it's, no one can handle that situation. I mean, for us, it was just so different.

No one expected them for him. If he knew longer, he definitely had to have said something. And I think he's apologized for that multiple times. Yeah. He apologized to Ariana, but I don't I just don't know. I just think he gets to play the middle all the time. I don't know if we'll

ever fully get the truth of the timeline. I think everyone's stories are going to keep changing a little bit and it was like oh, Schwartz said end of August and then Sandoval's like, wait, what? And then he's like well, yeah, about the, and it's like, did you guys not get your timeline

right? Brock, have you heard from either of the Toms? Like, do you communicate with them? When, when this initially went down, I sent a message across just stating where I was at with everything. I said, listen, cause obviously you have that bro code and the girl, but I was like, there's no, none of that right now. Yeah.

Understand that you're about to go through this. Understand that I cannot condone any of this and it's going to be a long way for you to come back from this and that was it i kept it very short and simple because yeah there's there's no there's no other side to be on in this situation and then with the rick health staff i was really hoping that she'd grow up and just try and say something and she never has and for me i was just kind of like and for me i'm very easy at this being like all right next you know do you all have a group text for the whole show we have separate little hustles okay yeah it's like ariana support group is like the main one that's the hub yeah yeah and then i have one just with

the girls but then there's like certain things where it's like me ariana and lala have one but then me ariana and katie have one and then the four of us have one and so there's several group chats but have you heard from rachel. And so there's several group chats. Have you heard from Rachel or Tom in any of the group chats? No, they're not in any of the group chats. They're gone. No, no, no. Yeah, we haven't had like a cast group chat in a long time.

Have you heard from any like old cast members? You know I'm so fascinated by like Vale and Laura Lee and stuff like that. I haven't heard from them. Okay. I mean, Chris and Jackson Brittany obviously are very close friends of ours. So I talk to them on a regular basis. Jackson Brittany will be on the podcast soon. Stay tuned.

I'm begging you to bring Laura Lee back. Like just for a scene, just invite her to a party or something. Like I'm begging all of you to do it. Okay. I need to get a hold of her. I don't know if she still has the same number. She could get Tom Sandoval the business.

Like have a party where Laura Lee could come in. I just feel like we need her. I just need her thoughts on the scandal ball. Or maybe get her on shenanigans or something. Like, we need Laura Lee. You should do that. You should get her on here. I just rewatched from the beginning.

And Laura Lee in that first season is so good. She was only around for a little time. So if people are new to Vanderpump Rules, they might not know Laura Lee. But go back and watch. She's good to be. What is the best thing about watching back the show? What are some things that you have realized now with everything that's happening? Well, I hadn't rewatched the show.

I mean, I watched from the beginning. And then like we talked about earlier, there's a couple seasons where it drops off and it's shitty, in my opinion. Yeah. But going back and rewatching, it was amazing to me up through probably season six or something. Every episode has like memorable moments, a scandal. I mean, it's like it never lets up. And yeah, especially because I analyze a lot of the Housewives episodes.

It's like Housewives has a lot of filler episodes and we love them for it in other ways. But your show for those probably five or six seasons, every single episode is like great TV. Yeah. And then you get the season 10 finale and it's the greatest TV. And by the way, even those bad seasons, I think are probably better than most reality shows. Yeah. But yeah, it just like doesn't let up. It's crazy.

I need to go back and watch him. I asked you the other day. I said, do you want to go back and watch him? It would be hard to like watch relationship stuff. Well, not really. Like, I mean, I hang out with freaking all of her exes anyway. Like that's not the, my problem is how people treat her. Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And then for that to be like a bully thing in the group, like I don't do well with that. No, you wouldn't like that. And I think it would just like case in point, season nine reunion. Like as soon as I just have, I just, I'm not going to, I'm not going to hold back. Well, there was that thing about the last episode with Terry Maloney and we love Terry.

I think she's the best, but I think about like, if that was my mom, like I, I wouldn't be able to control myself in that situation. Like if somebody was talking disrespectfully to my mother or even just watching it on TV, if I had to watch someone disrespect my mother,

like I couldn't deal. We weren't there for that. No, I have never been so thankful to have COVID in my life because I was not able to be there against my will. And you know what would have happened? We would have blindfolded Raquel because we would have been against the bullies. And that was the reason why we had that perspective

on this whole thing. Because as soon as i met katie we sat down at the table and i was like listen katie like you've always looked at me with like a weird eye like and i get that you and she didn't have your past but i'm completely new to this i'm not going to come in based on she's like well we have a colorful past i'm like that's great we're a new thing right now so let's just start but and so i, from the get-go, I've had that inkling where she was just like, I'm not her friend. That's fine.

We don't have to always be friends. So that kind of set us up to this momentum of like, oh, okay, Sheena got bullied by these girls. Sheena always got picked on by these girls. And Sheena also put herself in these situations where she could get picked on by these girls. I'm not saying that she's the victim here. But look, we're all making progress.

Katie and Terry were at my birthday Last week Dana came If someone says something about someone's parents I'll tell them to shut up Because kids and parents Should never come into a conversation of an adult Especially Terry's so sweet She's so sweet

People were saying it was cut that Somebody Tom said Shut up or something. I don't remember what the details were. Yeah, I know Sandoval kind of got into it with Katie's brothers because then her brother got involved. I don't know if they both were there. Maybe it was just Joey. But yeah, he was like annoyed that the family got involved.

And it's like, oh, because they're going against your mistress. Is that why? Is that why you're upset? Well, no, we would have done the same thing. We would have backed Raquel because we were looking out no i'm saying sandoval specifically going after katie's family it's like you know what you're doing wrong motherfucker well yeah there's that different exactly we would have been defending a good person yeah he's defending his mistress how crazy is it for a fan of the show it's wild to watch this watching the nine years banked of just commitment

just to this season what i feel like we in some ways deserve this moment because of the flop seasons um but i yeah it's hard it's hard to watch but it's also like just again from a technical perspective of television like it's great tv and it's really every single episode has been really appointment viewing and it's so interesting to watch it the way that the scandal happened and it became public. And then the episodes were airing and it almost became like a weird murder mystery in a lot of ways. Because you're looking at clues. Yeah. Because you literally went back and nothing was changed.

And you're like. Yeah. And it adds so much subtext to everything that was happening. So it's like every conversation between Tom and I, or even the Vegas trip. It's like, I remember just watching that right after the scandal was public and thinking, oh my God, this is happening when she just loses her dog. Like that's so up. That's right when it started.

And you know how much she loves her dog. I i mean it's like the fact that that happened and then yeah we learned today or this week on the episode that it was that night that they were hooking up in the car outside and then she had to let him in it's like it's fucked up like and just even if you wanted to break up with this woman you were still in a relationship and you loved her at some point you should you loved the dog too you just lost him you knew her grandmother who passed and it's like to not have any remorse is psychotic it's disgusting and to do it then in the driveway and i mean even then continuing even after the scandal happened to have her at to have rachel at their house that ariana co-owns it's like in what world do you think that's a normal thing to do to invite your mistress over? I don't give a fuck if Ariana's not there or if

she's off filming a movie or doing whatever, but to have her there, it's so disrespectful. And it's so, I don't know. It's like, you're, it's almost like you're trying to humiliate her. But I said this on my show. I think Tom Sando Tom Sandoval I he it's like a narcissistic quality right like where I don't think he cares about being the villain so much like I think he is more I think it bugs him more that people are rooting for Ariana than it does that he's the villain I actually think that's a really good point yeah I completely agree with you there because it's like he has always tried to steal her thunder and he has always been the person who has done this I literally said it in like season three when I had the conversation with Ariana's mom about him and I'm like oh yeah

you know she is always like comparing herself unfavorably to him. And he's always like trying to be the star and trying to be this and that. And I hated that part about him. And especially when it came to the cocktail book, he literally inserted himself into that. And it was just like, let her shine. Let her do her thing.

Yeah, I bet she's shining now. She is. She's shining. Shining bright like a diamond. Do you know the hot new boyfriend? Yes. We're actually hanging out with him tomorrow. Are they officially a boyfriend?

I don't know that they're putting a title on it, but they are seeing each other. They're grooving. We stan Dan. I love him. And no, he is great. We're seeing them. We're flying to New York tonight actually and we're gonna be with them tomorrow

good so yeah well I want to meet him yes no you definitely will he'll be out here wait till I'm can we use this for my show really quick well go real quick okay no I just wanted to know Brock what do you what's the vibe amongst the men like right now like are you scared or did this like make you

think like oh I better not fuck up listen we are we are just yeah we're for me what the problem is is from this scan of all there's all these stories and all these like accusations and for me being in the relationship it affects our relationship of all these stories that come out even when they're not true okay so it's just there's a lot and so for me i'm just keeping my head down all i can do is focus on my relationship And being there for the girls And I think all of the guys are in survival mode Making sure we do the right thing

Because just do the right thing and we can have fun I'm working, I got my hands busy I got summer, we're good And when we get into the summer I'm looking forward to the summer To hang out with the boys and kind of like talk about this But for now I'm making sure my home is safe If my home's safe then we can go outside and do whatever we want. Because you know the fans will fuck you up if you fuck up.

They'll fight? Yeah. We're not going to do it. And Sheena, do you like Allie? Do we like Allie? I love Allie. She's good too. I do too.

Literally, I'm obsessed with her. I just told her this yesterday. I said, you are the best addition to this group. I love her. I was skeptical at first, but now I love her. Yeah, same. You should do a reading. She does oral readings.

I know. She's from Ohio. Yeah, she's from Ohio. at first, but now I love her. Yeah. You should do a reading. She does all readings. I know she's from Ohio. Yeah. Well, we had a million questions to get to and we didn't get to any of them. So I think we need to do this again. We'll do it again. You guys have to come on everything. Iconic. I love you both. And yeah, I think I call you she, she on my show, which I hope is okay. Cause I know Lala calls you. Yeah. But I like she, she better. And I always talk about Brock's thighs because we love Brock's thighs and he's got them out loud and proud right now. Thank you.

Thank you, Brock. Yes. Well, thank you so much for being here. I'm sure everyone already knows where to find you, but tell them where they can listen to your podcast, buy your books, all the things. Yeah, I'm at Danny Pellegrino on Twitter and Instagram. My podcast is Everything Iconic.

And then I have a book called How Do I Unremember This? It's in paperback June 1st. So you can get it. It'll be at stores everywhere. Awesome. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back next week getting into some more

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