Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Hot Topics: Forking on the First Date, Dos Amigas & Going Rogue

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

This week, Scheana is joined by pop culture experts Kiki Monique & Ryan Bailey to tackle some hot topics in pop culture…and maybe spill some tea along the way. Where do they all stand in the Shannon/Alexis divide? Is Sutton trying to take Kyle down? Is Kim Kardashian doing too much? And do Taylor and Travis have staying power? Plus, is Rachel setting herself up for a return to VPR, and what did Scheana say to Alexis Bellino after dissing Scheana’s friend at BravoCon? Tune in to find out! Also, Scheana debuts her new holiday song with Lala – “Christmas Slay.” Pre-save the Spotify link here:  https://tinyurl.com/ScheanaLalaChristmasSlay Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guests: @thetalkofshame @sobaditsgoodwithryanbailey Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Episode Sponsors:Get your first month FREE on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/HONEYIt's golf. It's not golf. It's Topgolf. Visit topgolf.com/goodasgold to book a bay and Come Play Around.Love your skin again! Go to DIMEBeautyCO.com now and unlock your discount.Go to drinkAG1.com/SCHEANA for a free 1-year supply of Vitamin D and 5 free AG1 Travel Packs.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a fresh infusion of grace and lightness into wellness. This is The Art of Being Well. Join me every Thursday for a new episode. I'll open Pandora's box for you. From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold Because we're good as gold

Because we're good as gold Hello everyone, welcome back to Shenanigans. Today we're doing a little something new here. Do we want to do headphones? We're not going to do headphones? I didn't put them on because I got my earrings today and you guys don't have yours on so I can hear you I can hear you yeah all right let's we are doing something new today yeah we are so I have been wanting to do different types of episodes every month whether we do the solo Sheena Spills or we do like a hot topics vibe. So today we're doing a little sip some tea and get into some hot topics with two people

who you definitely know. You follow her as the Talk of Shame and also Sirius XM's Reality Check, the host of the Pop Crime Podcast. I'm ready to kick it with Kiki Monique and the host of So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey, actor, comedian, podcaster. You guys are just fantastic.

I could like keep listing off ways to introduce you, but how are we doing? I mean, I feel my ego is pretty good. I feel, yeah, I know. Really, just to hear Sheena ever say my name, it tickles me so much. Just because I'm such a fan of yours and the show from the beginning. So even when I've come on here before, it's a really wild experience because I talk about you guys for a living and then getting to know you a little bit. I mean, it's just wild. I can't.

In fact, I just hold my phone waiting for the Sheena text. I'm like, it finally came. I'm back on the show. I know. It's like when I watch Renaissance, it was like when I saw those people in the audience, I'm like, you're part of history because you're now in Beyonce's film. And like Sheena said our name, we are part of history. We're part of the Sheena's aunt.

Sheena's aunt is happening right now. Which by the way, I said, the only way I'll do it, Sheena, is if you sign my good as gold vinyl that I bought at BravoCon. And she was like, of course. And I was like, I'm in. Let's do this. But see, I forgot my gold Sharpie and I can't sign it without the gold vinyl that I bought at BravoCon. And she was like, of course. And I was like, I'm in. Let's do this. But see, I forgot my gold Sharpie and I can't sign it without the gold Sharpie. Now I have to come back. No, what I'm going to do is

I'm just going to send you another one. So you can keep that one. You can gift that one. But I will just send you another. Now I'm going to actually open this and I'm going to play it and actually spin this. Because I was like, this is very important to me. Yeah. Or just don't open this and I'm going to play it and actually spin this. Because I was like, this is very important to me. Yeah.

Or just don't open this one. Because the other one, the thing is, when I sign them, I do have to cut the plastic and sign it. So then you can just play that one because it'll already be opened. And then you can put it in a frame. You can do whatever. To me, this is taking on Mariah Carey as the top holiday song for me. Well, speaking of top holiday songs, you guys want a little preview? Yes.

We're recording on a Tuesday. You're listening on a Friday. I'm hoping by now the song is uploaded to Spotify, but Lala Kent and I have a new Christmas song called Christmas Slay. Oh my gosh. Countess Luann

is shaking in her boots right now. So you have Like a Boss, which was the initial Sheena Lala. You had the Good as Gold Uber remix, and now you have Christmas Slay. Christmas Slay. You want to hear it? Yes. Alright. It's like time for kissing underneath the mistletoe I hope all say next don't catch me acting like a ho-ho-ho

I'm being naughty, really feeling jolly Shaking like a snow globe, falling from my body So if you're gonna be a scrooge, then you just gotta know. And we'll make this Christmas like we're under the lights. The light will start on and talk the way I'm shining. So bright, so bright. It's a Christmas like you. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

Wow. It's a Christmas like you. I mean, what is the TikTok trend we're going to do for this? I know. Move over Sabrina Carpenter's holiday album. So if we start playing that like right now. Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying if you play this three minutes before midnight,

you will immediately enter 2024 with no more TROs. And that's the way you want to enter the new year. So as we were writing it, I go, well, wait, the hang your stockings with care. It has to be spelled in like the lyrics, like S-T-A-L-K-I-N-G-S. You know, because you're like stocking the TRO. Because I'm like, why do you need a temporary restraining order against me? I'm not stocking you. I have not tried to contact you.

I have had zero, zero contact. So what are you afraid of? I know that was a horrific moment, obviously, in your life. But I mean, it did get us. I mean, you watching the reunion from the trailer with your little bag of sun chips is truly something that is burned into my memory, probably for the next decade at least. I mean, I'm going over like and actually he's going to come on my show to talk about like 2023 moments.

And that for me is one of like that reunion yeah was just insane yeah i'm still waiting for sun chips to hit me up so i see what up all right well speaking of the tro rachel levis i still call her raquel but i've written down rachel because she announced a new podcast called Rachel Goes Rogue. What will she have to say? How many episodes is she going to talk about? Tom Sandoval, myself, Ariana, Vanderpump Rules. Who are the guests going to be? Will you guys listen?

And what do you think? Well, of course we're going to listen because I think that's our duty is to listen so that like other people don't have to. We take it on the chin. Right. and then just give us all the notes exactly yeah and look I think there's a reason she's releasing in the same month that Vanderpump is premiering it's like a smart and Bethany is executive producing I'm sure she was behind it so I don't know I mean I'm sure in that first month it's going to be still more Vanderpump talk I don't know where she goes from there well this is, this is what I think about it is that I just because you have a voice and you're on a reality show doesn't mean you need a podcast. But in the year of our Lord, 2023, everybody does that.

Now, Rachel has a real opportunity or the artist formerly known as Raquel to to actually if she actually comes correct, if she puts work in, if she puts the time in, it's really going to matter what happens in those first two episodes, because I even gave Sandoval's podcast a try for two episodes. And then I was like, OK, I get it, you know, and but if she can actually the thing is, and I'm not trying to be mean towards her, I swear to God, is that I've never found her to be an effective communicator even on the show. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. We're not all meant to do that exactly so you know even in the intro of like hi i am rachel levitt you know she's really trying to be on her voice and but also bethany producing it it kind of it's like bethany's whole thing with reality reckoning was how dare bravo make money off this girl's tragedy it's like now you're going to make money off her tragedy and is this going to just be another vanderpump

rules pod you know recap where she recaps season 11. I do think, you know, like I said, if it gives us good information, there is going to be, we'll all listen for those first two episodes. Right. But I do think, and I would love to get your opinions on this. I think this potentially sets her up for an eventual return on Vanderpump in season 12 or 13, because if she stays in this universe, which I thought she was not going to do, but now she's at jinglele Ball, all this stuff. Yeah. Then I see eventually, because Tom's going to be able to tell his story, and he might even continue to lie in his story regarding Rachel. So there is that natural curiosity element that I do want to hear what she has to say.

But I'm still kind of pissed at her because of the situation, just knowing Ariana a little, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if she leans into stuff we haven't heard, like what happened when you were at this mental health facility? What were you doing? Like, then I might be more interested if you're going to go that route. But I can't lean on the scandal anymore.

I'm over it. I feel like I've heard your story. You had a three part podcast. I don't. Bethany's podcast didn't even answer. she was so busy doing her own reality reckoning stuff that we didn't ask Rachel the real questions of, you know, even Ariana in her new drink book talks about like the Jamie of it all, of like using Jamie as a code name in the text between Rachel and Tom. And I was like, I want to know things like that of like, I mean, there must

have been a moment that you guys kind of felt excited about going behind everybody's back. I want to know what those conversations were like. I mean, that's the stuff that I'm really curious that we've never gotten to touch. So I'll give it a chance, but I'm not, it's not something that I'm excited to listen to. What were they talking about in that video outside of Saddle Ranch? That was like, I'm still waiting for someone who is a professional lip reader to take that video and tell us what were they saying? It's like a two and a half minute video of a very intense conversation. As we know, the week supposedly that they first had sex.

I now have heard that there were things that maybe started before that night. I would like to hear Tom Sandoval's version of the first anything, the first kiss, you know, and I would also like to hear Raquel's version of the first anything, the first kiss, the first flirtation, the first come on to the other person. Like, I'm curious what both of their versions are of when exactly it started. Cause I don't think we've really gotten that yet. And that's the only thing that I think this could work as a companion piece to what we actually see potentially in season 11 is that Tom will be able to tell his narrative and that might not be the correct narrative.

It might just be his narrative or like things that he still is trying to like make himself look okay with. But that conversation that Jamie videoed that night, it night it was you know i bet it was just like you're so amazing dude no you don't even know how amazing you know these these girls are so jealous of you dude you don't even know like i feel like it was that passionate get a lisp i well because okay i always do but no i always do the list because he has nobody really he has this tiny baby baby baby list so on my show when i do the recaps i exaggerate but he does nobody really, he has this tiny baby, baby, baby list. So on my show, when I do the recaps, I exaggerate. But he does, it's like he gets really excited and it's just very tiny thing.

So I just, I exploit that and really make it an insane character. Yeah. So it'll be interesting because I'm like, you're right. The first couple episodes, of course, I'm sure the downloads are going to be through the roof. People are going to want to listen and hear what she has to say as they did, you know, on Bethany's. But like, where does it go from there? You know? Well, you know what? I know this is what this is all leading to. And I'm not even joking, is that eventually we will get the Sheena Rachel sit down.

And no, I mean, listen, youena's like, oh, what were you? Wait, guys, no, think about it. Like here in Dear Media? I don't know. But think about it in terms of pop culture. Because I certainly ain't going on that show. But think about it in terms of pop culture. Like you say that now,

but we do see people change over the course of a year. I don't mean going on there in a friendly environment. We're friends again. But in this environment of, I do want my questions answered. I do like, and especially if you hear those first couple of episodes and you're like, this is way off base. Season 12.

I mean, we've seen and I mean, we've seen that kind of stuff happen before. And that's the thing that I think a lot of people still will be curious, because even when I watch this, I'm not just watching season 11 for the Ariana and Tom of it all. I'm wondering about you. I'm wondering how you soften on Sando you. I'm wondering how you soften on Sandoval. I'm wondering how you feel about Rachel now. And I think that's what's going to make season 11 really interesting. Yeah. And honestly, I think if she came back season 11 and had the tough conversations, we, for the most part, maybe not every single person, but most of us were willing to have those conversations. I don't think

for where she was supposedly at in her mental health journey at the time, it was the right move to come back full time. Absolutely not. But I think having a productive conversation with myself, with Lala, Lisa, Sandoval, whoever, I think that people would have looked at her much differently. Whereas instead she went into a facility. She came out. She did Bethany. She kind of went back into hiding. And then, boom, I'm at I Heart twirling on the red carpet.

Everyone look at me. Look at me. And I have a new podcast. And it's like. Yeah, it was a hard start. I was like, I didn't expect that all of a sudden we were going to see her like, yeah, on red carpets at Nobu, like doing all of these things. Yeah. Feels like she's immersed back in L.A.

Well, part of me always kind of thought of her as like I started to soften a little bit in terms of, wow, she's the only person that did the right thing of like she disappeared and went and actually worked on her mental health. And I was like, that takes a lot of balls, especially when money's getting thrown at everybody. But Tom never left. He kept himself even more out there. And I thought, wow, is he actually getting help for any of the things that he's caused in his own life? And that's why I was. So it kind of confused me when Rachel then did this because I was like, oh, you're going to throw it's almost risking your mental health in some ways to put yourself back in that environment. Right. I almost wonder, though, if she saw that Tom was getting rewarded for his bad behavior

and she said, screw it, I don't need to work on myself anymore so I'm just going to jump back in. Well, at some point, yeah. That's the thing.

It's like, is she just going to lean into also being a villain? I mean, you know, this sweet, bambi-eyed girl who was manipulated by Tom

and now this new immersing of Rachel goes rogue. I'm just'm just like yeah what if she comes on like a complete like what's up i'm rachel brothers and sisters she has a real deep voice now and she's like i've changed a lot of my men yeah it will be interesting to see where this goes and you know i mean we have a whole season ahead to air still and hopefully a season 12 and you never know what could happen this could be her way of coming back yeah never know i never say never yeah i mean i i think in reality television especially you never say never

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Okay, so I want to go into some housewife talk, because obviously I know I'm sure you're both caught up, right? Yeah. So I want to start with the real housewives of Orange County. Shannon's ex, John, is now dating Alexis. So you were at Bravo Con, right? Were you both there? Yes. OK, were you at the Bravo's?

Yeah. That night. I didn't go. Okay. So you saw, I don't know what aired. I didn't watch it back, but when Vicky was being given her Lifetime Achievement Award, they had past housewives come up and present that to her. Alexis

being one of them. My friend Gretchen was also up there. And then what's her name? It was the lady from the first season. Who was with Slade. Lori. Lori was there. Okay.

So they're all up there to present this award to Vicky. And I love whenever I'm at any sort of award show because of my broadcast journalism background, I always love to look back at the teleprompter and just like see and whatnot. And so all of a sudden, Alexis goes rogue. And she starts saying that I'm looking back. And at first I laughed. She's like, well, it's the only woman up here who hasn't slept with Slade Smiley. And I was like, and I like kind of laugh because I was like, wow, like Gretchen was OK with this in the script. Like we know our script going into it. And I look back at the teleprompter and I was like, not in the script. Andy had to come up and he was like, this is not like part of the show. So I'm assuming that

you didn't see that on air. But anyway, after this, I see, I know Gretchen. I've known her for over a decade. I know her very well. Gretchen and I also have our good side and our bad side. So I already know poor Gretchen is being on like stood next to these women on her bad side. Now she's got to be uncomfortable because this bitch is going rogue, talking about her husband and father of her child. Yeah. So later that night we had before the Sandoval after party, we had the after party with everyone at the rooftop of the Delano hotel. And Alexis comes up and introduces herself to me.

And I was like, oh, I can't bite my tongue. You made my friends so uncomfortable. And I was like, oh, I was like, you're the girl who said something really rude about my friend's husband. Right. Nice to meet you. And she was just like, and I was like, yeah, not cool. And I just like walked away and I went over to Gretchen and she was like, I love you. Thank you. I'm like, that's just disrespectful.

It was funny if Gretchen was in on the joke and that was part of the script and she agreed to it. But to just go up there and go rogue and say that, I just thought it was so disrespectful and rude. Wait, when you say good side and bad side you actually mean physically they're physical okay because i was like the good

side i was like oh like she's like it's evil and i realized you meant that she was already on her bad side and i okay we both have the same good side so we'll take like prom style photos all of the time to both get our left side and so i, oh, she's standing on her right side. And like, I just, after being on TV for so long, you do, you get in your head with those type of things, depending on how your hair's styled and whatever.

So I just knew from knowing her that like, damn, she's standing on her bad side. This bitch on her good side is saying shit about her man. And yeah. So then I hear that she's now dating Shannon's ex.

So per at Bitch of Bravo on Instagram, I guess John recently voted yes on their poll. And the poll was Alexis delivers the final death blow to Shannon as she signs contracts for next season, driving the last nail and spiraling alcoholics coffin. Is Bravo pushing Shannon over the edge? And he voted yes. Okay, I'm going to look in this camera right here. John Jansen, I want you to see this. Your behavior is

disgusting. Shannon has gone through an incredibly tough year, and Alexis, I know you're just trying to get back on the show. I really, I get it. I get what you're doing, but it is so gross, and you need to stop it. I don't get how you went from last season not wanting to be talked about

and filmed because of your job to this season almost begging Bravo. It is so gross that you are like a barnacle on every one of those ladies in the OC Housewives and it needs to stop.

And I'll tell you, it's going to be fun television to watch, but at what expense? Because Shannon's going to lose her mind. And I feel like that, we're setting her up for

an insane breakdown. Yeah, and we want to see it, sadly. But I do want to see it. First of all, the OC househusbands, boyfriends, are the most toxic men in the Bravo universe, I am convinced. Second of all, John Jansen doesn't surprise me. So when Shannon

got her DUI, I drove down to OC because I had to go. I was like, I had to be there the day of. And I wanted to try to find the video footage, but TMZ beat me to it. But anyways, I get there. I get to the crash site. I see that there's like pieces of her car there or whatever. And like I get some pieces of her car. Anyways, I know that he lives right around the corner.

So I'm driving and I see his house. He has like a busted ass blind in his house. And I said, you know what? Any man that has busted blinds, I don't expect anything, anything more. I just think that he is like a trash human. I just think it is a really horrible thing to do. And then like just even in your personal life and then to throw reality television in it. And it just seems like he is one of the housewives of like you are.

It's like a classic housewives move to try to get back on the show. So you're doing everything. So even with that, to tie it in with Alexis at the, uh, Bravo's her going rogue, you know, is ultimately part of what I think is an ultimate, like, you know, the plan to get back on, you know? And that's why I don't think this is completely a fully real relationship because who dates for like a month and then makes a statement to people magazine, which they did. Tamara's behind? Because like Tamara is now like being like, we're really good friends. We're hanging out. She's like tweeting her.

And like, it just seems like a way for Tamara to get involved because we know that her and Shannon had a falling out. She admitted that at the variety party and she won't say what it was about, but it was right around Thanksgiving. So I have a little bit more information on that is that it is about this relationship. So I believe it was lauren herbert from access hollywood i was talking to her and she did tell me she interviewed that did that interview with tamra on the red carpet of the variety thing and that it does have to do with

alexis and john and but this is classic tamra too to be like you know like i'm sorry i just i i i don't pick any sides but you know what i but she now says she's, you know, had a falling out with Shannon. And I was like, you need to be there for her now more than ever. But Tamara always thinks about the job, not the friend. She's always, and that's what makes her a good housewife. But I feel so bad for Shannon of like, Tamara's now going to buddy up with Alexis and John this season, allegedly. Well, in all fairness, though, Alexis and Shannon didn't have crossover.

So they were never on any season together. So this season, allegedly. Well, in all fairness, though, Alexis and Shannon didn't have crossover, so they were never on any season together. So in reality, Alexis... Well, but no, remember the lawsuit of Alexis' ex-husband that sued Tamara and sued... So there is that kind of crossover. And I feel like at this point, Tamara needs to lean in and be the best friend she can to Shannon.

But it's classic Tamara and classic Shannon of like Shannon. And she did wrong by crashing into a house drunk, you know, but she just can't win for losing sometimes. Well, and Tamara needed to secure that spot next season. She really did. And this was a good way to do it. So what does this mean for the Trace Amigas? Oh, Dos Amigas. I've learned Spanish recently. What I think that means is no, no. I, what I

think is, and this is the other thing, Shannon continued to do the trace of me. My friend Medito went to their show in Tempe and Shannon still showed up even after all of this. It was like a couple of weeks ago. I didn't think she'd do it and she still showed up. And I just think for Shannon to do that at this time in her life, it wasn't, you know, like that helped those ladies out. But I think that's all that's done for. Can you imagine they still do shows and they hate each other? Right.

I mean, I was even surprised to see her at BravoCon just with what she had recently gone through. Did you talk to her? Yeah, I spoke to her. So all of us got together on a Zoom like a week or two before BravoCon just to go over the lay of the land. And I saw her on it and we had a moment,

but I was just like, oh my God, it was so good to see her because I love Shannon. I've known her since I think her first season. We met at an event, exchanged phone numbers, bonded. And I've just always had such a soft spot for her. So seeing her on the Zoom was great, but I was like, damn girl, you're coming. Like, I don't know if I would.

So I mean, hats off to her. You're telling me there was a bravo zoom with all bravo it was so insane that's the show i want to see of just people the problem is watching the lay of the land and then it was like we all had our kids on but we all had to be on mute but then summer was like hi hi like no i was like summer they can't hear you but no it was pretty cool i had no idea everyone was going to be on it and i was like, Summer, they can't hear you. That's amazing. No, it was pretty cool. I had no idea everyone was going to be on it. And I was like, wow, that was awesome. But so I heard that the night of Shannon's hit and run, the DUI, she was overheard complaining about Lexus in the bar earlier that night. So do you think this is what drove Shannon over the edge that night?

I mean, I think so. I think that supposedly the neighbors heard her and John screaming. It was so loud that they heard it. So I think that she went over there. They got into it about Alexis. She takes off, crashes into the house. And, you know, all she wrote. Yeah, I'd heard from somebody about that night or even like Alexis and the situation and Alexis

saying that she felt snubbed by shannon at some point but i do also think that john seems like that kind of dirtbag guy that's going to flirt with anybody that's on tv and that is going to lead to that fight but also shannon not to make excuses for was coming off the oc reunion where she didn't look great she had a couple of other seasons and i don't mean physically didn't look great just didn't look great in what she was saying in regards to uh gina's's kids and things of that nature. So I think, you know, there was a toxicity building up around Shannon. And it's got to be a really stressful environment when your show's airing.

Everybody on social media, we're all making memes, giving comments, and it's not going well for you. I imagine she's not in a wasn't in a great place. No. Oh, well, sending Shannon my love because i i do we're giving you grace and yes absolutely do you think it's a thing in life is it a bravo men franchise in this that like they have to date within the friend group or does that happen outside of life too because i'm i'm in'm in it and it just, you know, happens in my friend group, but we're also in the Bravo group.

I feel like I've just like seen more often that we always hear about sugar babies, but I'm hearing more about, I don't know what the terminology is for sugar men. Like what, what do they call themselves? But I'm, I'm seeing more of that of men who are like,

they want to be taken care of and they want to be. And so they do these, like, it's not even F boy things because it are like, they want to be taken care of and they want to be. And so they do these, like, it's not even F boy things because it's like, they're being, I don't know what you would call it. We have to come up with a term for that. I think there's an interesting thing when you get a little bit of a TV following is that, you know, a lot of these people, they just didn't, it wasn't even in their purview, an expectation in their life. So when they start getting that, when they start getting somebody coming up to them and multiple people coming up to them, I think there's an allure to that, that they don't

even realize. And I think, you know, sometimes I think women get unfairly blamed of them chasing the spotlight when in a sense, you know, men didn't even realize they wanted the spotlight and then they get a taste of it. And it's really, it's really alluring and powerful. And I see it all the time with the, even at Bravo con, you see it nonstop. These guys, the Bravo guys are like on cloud nine.

They can't even imagine. Like I saw some of the Southern charm guys like JT for the first time. He was like, I was a King there. I was a King. I met him. Are you saying that there are John Jansen stands out there? I,

I refuse to believe it. I hate to say I used to be a John Jansen stand. In fact, the Bravo con last year, I saw him first at the Gansport and I was like like john jansen no i was so because i covered the show so i was so excited and chan but but i i joke about i used to joke about him all the time so i got so tickled to see him but i think anybody on bravo or anybody on television you're going to have somebody that's like that person's on television even right even tom sandoval for

all like people saying they didn't like him and all that, they still want a picture with him. They still want that moment of somebody that's on TV. That's so exciting for people that we live these kind of, not average existences, but I live a normal life for the most part. It's really exciting to be around somebody that's on TV. And I mean, honestly, I had one photo op next to Tom and Tom,

and then it was like Jax, Brittany and Kristen. I think Lala and Katie may be on another side. But I mean, everyone who came up to see the Toms, they were so excited for both of them and hugging both of them. And I've seen videos from his shows recently and he's still selling out shows and people aren't there booing. They're there screaming for him and excited. And just even at life is beautiful when the moments that we were kind of walking in the same area and i would just see the girls flock to him still and i'm like it's so true like but yeah i had to take back everything i said about craig in the past because when we saw him in real life last week at the variety party like

i'm in love he's so i mean yeah we we were at this variety party we she was like let's go up and talk to craig and i was like well i think he blocked me at some point for a meme and but i will say one of the most attractive men in person i mean he's attractive on tv too but so attractive in person and how smiley and nice he was i love him i mean i yeah and with page i was like this is an attractive couple like in person yeah. Yeah. I was blown away. Yeah, no. Craig, please unblock me if you're listening to shenanigans today. I'll tell him. Thank you.

Yeah. I will say I've literally never watched Southern Charm because when I met Craig and Shep, like the first season, they told me, do not watch the show or you won't like us. Like you'll see a different side of us and i just thought they were so charismatic and charming and just so funny and fun in person i had a great time with them i did watch what happens live with shep before and just hanging out with them they're like please don't watch our show you will like see a different side and so i don't watch the show well craig actually comes off great now on the show he's like

he's like i want to go back and watch it because now it's been so long. In the beginning, he got beat up a lot. Yeah. Well, Shep, yeah. Shep is like encased in carbonite. He has not changed at all. Have you made out with anybody from Southern Trim?

Shep. Whoa! She got Shept. Yeah, I got Shept. He's like, don't watch the show because you're on it now. Well, exactly. So I never watched it. And then I remember last year at BravoCon, we were all in the same car and Shep was saying't watch the show because you're on it well exactly so i never watched it and then i remember last year at bravo con we were all in the same car and shep was saying something about

the show and i was like i haven't seen he's like what do you mean you don't watch my show i was like you told me not to watch your show i was just following instructions it's amazing but i do know speaking of there's some drama going on on the show so fill me in and then i want your input because i'm sure most of the people listening to Shenanigans do watch. So I had Olivia on before this season started airing, but after it was already filmed. And I know there's drama around Taylor and Shep and all of that.

So what's your take on what's going on in the Southern charm world? Well, what's interesting is I feel like every episode we get a little more detail and a little more information because it's kind of started out where it's like, okay, Olivia and Austin have broken up. And then like Taylor and Austin had a moment where they're like, well, should we?

You know, is there something here? Because, you know, obviously there was an attraction people had seen it on. Yeah. And then they say that they just like made out it was like a day thing nobody believes this because again we know like because even chef was like who just makes out because he knows i can't i can't just make out and then it's like even weirder because taylor was helping olivia sort of kind of get back with austin during this time

that she's like trying to be with him so So that's, that's like the worst betrayal. Cause we're like, why are you having conversation? This is like the Rachel having a conversation with Ariana, you know, like this is duplicitous. We had literally compared it a little bit to that when Olivia was on. If we had been more invested in Taylor and Olivia, like if they had been on for 10 seasons, I think this would have exploded way more. And that's why we were so invested in Tom and Ariana because we knew them over such a long period of time. But Taylor got lucky. Because, yeah, imagine if we really, you know. And so now it's sort of coming out.

It's like, Craig, I love what a gossip girl Craig has become. He's asking the right question. And he's getting Austin tripped up because he's like wait i thought you guys like made out in new york he's like no my house and it was like wait so are there multiple times you guys were hooking up and like that's what it sounds like and then austin tells madison in this past week's episode and is like you know confiding in her about this relationship with taylor and he was like you know actually it was a little bit more than just like it was like we were actually going for like a week and like should we actually do this or not? And then telling Madison who he's, you know, had a relationship with that Olivia is the one, Olivia is the one. And I just wish she's such a perfect girl. I wish I could actually be with her and step up. And I think what a weird, weird show. And the men on Southern Charm, it's a different kind of, it's a different kind of male that you see. It's like this mixture of Southern gentlemen that it's a different kind of it's a different kind of male

that you see it's like this mixture of southern gentlemen that they're trying to actually there's a toxicity of that southern gentleman but also trying to be like hip and like for women's rights and it's like this thing that keeps bouncing up against each other because they're all cheating on each other like every other friend group on Bravo well the ratio in Charleston it's like what seven women for every man. So it's like, you know, they just kind of like, and I'm sure there's always new women coming in. Like, you know, what is that Matthew McConaughey line?

They keep, you know, they keep getting older. I keep getting older, they stay the same age. All right, all right. That's when chefs are like, all right, all right, all right. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Okay, we're going to take one more quick little break and then I've got to get y'all's take on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

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concern, you know, and just the way she's acting towards Kyle? Is it warranted? She made comments about Kyle's behavioral changes. You know, she's working out too much. She's not drinking. She's getting tattoos. Her delivery is quite messy. But i'm sorry when did it become bad to not drink alcohol and work out that sounds healthy to me yeah it sounds horrible to me i mean uh it does not sound good or fun but i do admit that it is a thing that should be encouraged and especially if that's the route she wants to go but we're also in housewives land this isn't the real world and these ladies you know kyle's going through real issues and they're just like well why isn't she drinking like that's this seems to be the main concern i know but also kyle mentioned a few episodes back that she was struggling and it

seemed like then no one really showed genuine concern or to be an actual friend in that moment and then fast forward to now on the show Sutton is essentially accusing Kyle of hiding something and not being honest and it was like she tried to open up in the beginning maybe we didn't see all of the conversation you know obviously there's the whole world of we film hours long and we don't get to see every hour but what do you think like is Sutton showing genuine concern for Kyle like as a good friend would or is this her attempt like low key to take down? I just don't think Sutton has that capacity

and even Kyle called it out a bit. She was just like, you think a big deal is when your designer can't come over here and like, you know, and your biggest problem is your husband has to give you more child support because you have your kid 100% of the time. I think that she is very just like detached.

And so even if someone is coming to her like with like, here's my problem, she just can't see past herself sometimes. I think Sutton, you know, and also falls in line, I think, with Lisa Barlow as well from Salt Lake is that she's unapologetically herself. And it does sometimes come off to us a little kooky because I don't have those kind of problems. I don't have to worry about money at all because I don't have any. She does. And it's a different. But also, I don't I don't necessarily go, well, she's not being a great friend because I've seen plenty of times where Kyle's been a horrible friend to Sutton throughout the course of it. But Kyle usually is a reliable narrator who we trust and she doesn't come off kooky in a lot of ways.

So it does. But I also want to say two things can be true at once. Sutton is making a point. Something is going on with Kyle. Something obviously is going on. It's just the delivery. And Housewives of Beverly Hills, they come off more as working work, like workmates instead of real friends. Like, I hate to keep bringing it back to Vanderpump Rules, but that last episode when you talked to Tom Tom and you can see that amazing scene where you're just like, this is, and you see the pain in your face. Like, that's real friendships. Those are real friendships. And these are just more working relationships that are on television.

And I think that's why it comes off so bizarre. Yeah. So what do you think is really going on with Kyle? So what do you think is really going on with Kyle? Like, are the tattoos a form of feeling liberated and freedom and just something fun you do later in life? You know, taking control over her body. I mean, I see nothing wrong with getting tattoos at any stage in life. Personally, it's a form of expression.

I'm like, you go, girl. Like, I want to take Kyle to get her next tattoo. No, I told Kyle on the red carpet at Bravo Con I said this flamingo tattoo is a matching tattoo. I have with my best friend. Yeah, it's normal Oh, I have so many this one Kristen Doty and I have this one not to flip off the camera I have so many of this one with another friend This is tea. Actually. This is gonna be on this week's Beverly Hills episode. Kyle now debuts. It's all happening on her forearm.

Yeah, that's actually happening. No, but I think it is. I actually tattooed that on Kyle. There was a point in my life, if you've listened to the show, my show, like four years ago, that I was going to get the it's all happening tattoo in the same place just to get a picture with Sheena before I actually knew you. And I was like, this would be so funny. And I was like, but then I keep it the rest of my life.

And I'm always that guy that got the it's all happening tattoo. Yeah, what's wrong with that? You'll make the video with me, yes. But so the thing that also that got brought up this weekend, I think on Instagram, your Bish therapist pointed this out in a series of slides that Kyle reposted, that she lost one of her best friends through, you know, trigger warning, through, you know, taking her own life. And Kyle was going through something so intense about losing a friendship that that does spring

like change of like, you do see, okay, that could possibly lead to wanting to take stock in your life and where you're at. And I just wonder why those conversations aren't being had on this show, because that really does. You want to know what's wrong, Sutton? Well, I lost my best friend. I didn't know I lost my best friend and it made me reevaluate everything in my life I still think the Morgan thing is a whole different topic that has nothing to do with that but I do want to hear

more about why because it is true Kyle is going through something yeah and I think that she's also been look she was married at what like 18 yes she has been a mother, a wife for all, like decades. 27 years. Yeah. She's been married to Mauricio. She's finally doing girls trip. Like, you know, she didn't do girls trip,

I think until Real Housewives happened. Right. You know, it's like, she's finally like understanding what it's like to maybe have girlfriends and maybe she is getting a little over infatuated and what that leads to. She's really excited to have a girlfriend. But like at the end of the day,

she's like, I think finally living her life for herself. And so that's why I'm enjoying it. It'll be interesting to see Kyle a year from now, you know, and I really do want to, I want to know what's going on. But watching that relationship between Morgan Wade and her and those scenes, seeing Morgan on camera for the first time, downright giddy. She's like, you hang up first.

No, you hang up first. No, you. And I just felt that kind of high school, whether it's friendships or sexual or whatever it is, you can just tell there's a genuine excitement that I used that kind of high school, whether it's friendships or sexual or whatever it is, you can just tell there's a genuine excitement that I used to have in high school when you had a crush on somebody and you would just be like, I hope they like me so bad. I just want to be around them so bad. That's what it reads like. Yeah. No, I think the same thing. And I love to see it. I think you see like a genuine happiness. And even if she is going through something personally or in her marriage to have a friend who brings out a giddy happy side of you i love to see it i love to see it but it is

it's really dark because you realize she does have a marriage all of these kids yeah and even at that variety party she talked about saying like listen i knew things were going wrong going into this season and i don't have a strong poker face and we hadn't even told our kids yet and i just thought that was interesting too of like that push pull of trying to be real on a reality show, but also still trying to hide things as well. And protect your family.

Yeah. What are your thoughts on flashing back to the psychic of like season one or two? How crazy? I mean, it is, but it's like, I hate to give her that much clout anymore because it feels almost just like picking at Kyle at this point.

Because look, at the end of the day, she did have a very long lasting marriage. It wasn't like. And like, let's celebrate that, you know, even if every marriage isn't meant to last forever, 27 years. Yeah. People grow. In Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly.

I believe, I don't, I don't know if I believe in monogamy because I believe that like, if you're constantly growing, like it's impossible. I think the people that stay together that long probably are the same person their whole life. And I think that some people are like, I don't want to be the same person my whole life. And that might mean I shed you. I mean, look, Cardi B looks like her offset might be over. And like that's the relationship that, you know, but she even went on a live and was just like, you know, I know what I want for myself in 2024. And I just feel like Kyle is kind of the same way. Look, she's talking about like, she wants to live in the mountains and become a cowgirl, it seems. So it's like, I think that's Morgan's dream.

And Mauricio, I think, likes being in Beverly Hills and doing the Beverly Hills thing. Yeah. And by the way, people do grow apart. I mean, I've gone through divorce and I can't even imagine what it would be like if you had a, like an hour long video of people going, yeah, their relationship sucks. They'll never make it. If I had to watch that on a loop year in, year out, it would really bum me out because when you're in that relationship, you're not thinking this is someday going to be over. You're thinking of this is my wife or partner or husband or whatever, and I'm, this is going to work. So it's got to be wild. But at this point, when you're in the Bravo atmosphere, the, you know, you get this all the time, You get editor trolls all the time.

It just must be wild to have that hit over the head every episode. But Kyle's got to be pretty strong at this point in terms of just what Bravo does. Yeah. And I feel like every time I've ran into Kyle so much recently, which I love it because I don't usually see any of the housewives this much back to back, but I saw her at Kathy's party this past week. I saw her at BravoCon right before that. I ran into her at the interview space. And I just, again, sending Shannon and Kyle so much love, whatever they're going through. I love them. I am. I stand them. So but back to Sutton, I want to know your take on the whole magic mic of it all. Why do you think she was overreacting? Do you think it's because she didn't get picked

or was she just uncomfortable? I think she wanted attention. Yeah, she wore pants. She wore her dick riding pants. She was like, I wore my leather pants so people can grind up on me. I say, come on. She was so bummed and she was a little,

probably had a little vodka grapefruit and it probably bummed her out. But I kind of knew that immediately. I just think as humans, we do that. We like, no, it wasn't about that. No, no way. When it was. And I think there was something kind of a tinge of sadness about it.

Cause I did like, I'm like, why can't somebody ride Sutton on stage? Come on. Like it's a long show. We could have brought her up at some other point. Look, I can say I got Sutton's number at BravoCon. I'd be like, girl, if you want to go back, I know all of the Magic Mics as well. I can get you on stage.

Sheena just offers straight up, hey, I can get you laid. Straight up. You're going to come and we're going to get that tattoo. The amount of times I've been on the Magic Mic stage, I do have some connections.

Okay. Oh, gosh. What were your thoughts on Garcelle's comment about Dorit's jewelry not getting stolen? As she just then was like. I mean, that was shade. But I mean, obviously people have been saying that online.

But like, I did not expect that to come out of her mouth on camera. And then for them to keep the pause. Yeah. They kept this pause after she dropped it. Right. And I was like, dang, sometimes Garcelle, like she'll come off as this reliable narrator that everything she said, and then she'll sometimes hit you with something so shady.

And you're like, oh, dude, because that brings that back up into conversation. It's the Sagittarius in her. I do the same thing. I'm like, I'm so reliable until I. But those moments from somebody like that, that kind of housewife really blows you away because then you're like, oh, damn,

that's like, you really mean that. What did you think of it? I feel like the housewives they're so savage like i feel like we're crazy on our show and messy and whatnot but i don't know that i would ever want to be on a show with that caliber of women who they just i mean the things they say i was like oh you think that housewives is more i mean early vpr i'm sorry early vpr and the reunion vpr are very savage examples of reality yeah true i've had people say that about this past season also did you see people's uh discourse about you in uh crystal's basement and they're like oh no she knows with all the housewives like i love that rumor always gets floated when anybody hangs out with housewives like maybe sheena's joining the cast maybe i mean i was the only non-housewife

at the show girls panel oh sheena confirming and keeping this rumor going that this is happening i am the only married one on vanderpump rules it's all happening just kidding okay done with bravo because i want to get your take on my girl Kim Kardashian. So this is a woman who literally does it all. I mean, I think I keep myself busy and then I think about Kim Kardashian. She is running a billion dollar brand empire. She's a mom of four she's training to become a lawyer doing all the criminal justice reform it's like how does she have the time for any of that on top of filming a reality show yeah and so i saw recently that she is going to be starring in a legal drama for hulu with ryan murphy and producing so uh i know there was the American Horror Story that she did,

which is on my list of things to watch. I just don't have the times. I'm like, how does she do it? But what do you think about all of this? And just with, you know, how many studios have cut programming and done layoffs this past year? Is greenlighting a series like this taking opportunities away from career actors and creators like what do you think i get like annoyed when

like really famous people take over too many spaces like i remember when i used to do voiceover work and it was like they just started picking like actors that maybe didn't have great voices but it was a recognizable one and it's like annoying because it's like that maybe didn't have great voices, but it was a recognizable one. And it's like annoying because it's like that maybe didn't fit it. But you, you know, you went you were like, oh, I'd rather spend the budget there. And I feel like that's what happens with now with shows. It's like, oh, well, this person has a big following, even if they're not the right fit. Right. We're going to give it to them. Well, that's it exactly. Because, you know, they know they're going to get the BTS post on an Instagram from Kim about the project. It's going to be passed around like I passed around somebody's uh instagram post in my stories we all talk about it all of this

stuff so bam this project's got legs now it's got you know already automatic publicity i mean we can even relate it to podcasting and how we started this show with rachel of like okay so does rachel really want a podcast or is she told this is part of a way to make money and stuff and it's like i want people that actually want to be here i, you've been doing shenanigans how many years now? Like way before the podcasting boom. And I think that's the frustrating thing, even for us who all have shows is that like, of course you have name recognition, you're getting it out there, but do you really want to be doing this? And do you have the wherewithal to stay? Now, Kim has proven to be an insanely hard worker. I mean, she puts everything into it, but I,

I do sometimes worry. She just announced a Netflix movie the other day, too, with two SNL writers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Fifth Wheel. The Fifth Wheel, yeah. And it's like, it really is. But she's one of those people that knew what it's like to not be as famous as she wanted to be one day.

So now that she's here, she is going to give every single thing. And it also helps to be a multibillionaire where you can pay people to do all of the little stuff. Or even just in Beyonce Renaissance, how she tours around with a chiropractor, a massage person, this or that. And I'm not comparing Beyonce and Kim. I want to make sure that's true. But Kim can do it all.

And she's going to take every opportunity while it's here. But it is, she's dominating what, I mean, I don't even know what you call what she it's just domination right yeah yeah would you consider the kardashians talented because i feel like this is a debate that people it's like oh well they don't sing or they don't act they don't this and it's like i feel like kim is proving everyone wrong but i feel like talent comes in so many different forms i think they're extremely talented and smart businesswomen. And I do think that you're not going to, Ryan Murphy isn't going

to just put someone on a show who's a terrible actor. Like you have to have some sort of talent, but would you consider that family talented? I just don't even know if I know what the definition of talent is anymore because it doesn't mean anything. Like, yeah, could you be really good at like creating a content where you can hook someone in the first five seconds? I think that's a talent. It's like to get someone to watch a video in the first five seconds. But someone would be like, that's not a talent. I think we used to have a definition of talent. And I actually after seeing the Beyonce Renaissance movie, I'm like, well, this is talent. This is because there's a voice. And this is what we used to consider old school talent. But now, like you said,

talent can be considered anything. It can be considered TikTok videos and all of this stuff. So we don't even have a history of that kind of talent yet, which we do in singing, acting, all of these other kind of art forms, even podcasting. We don't have it long enough that we're like, oh, this is extremely talent. So they're talented at a lot of. I mean, I think one of their main talents is being able to stay in this so long and increasing in revenue, increasing in eyeballs. I mean, everything that's a talent. It's just not how I always I'm old school. My talent always was, is this person a singer, musician, a dancer, an actor? Those to me will always be considered talent but

they are i don't know i mean at some point it's just like it's like they're great machines they're great like entities they know how to like keep a well-oiled machine going and is that a talent sure i guess i watch american horror story and it's like kim's good but it's like i know exactly working at an acting studio in the past i I know exactly how she got coached. I know Kim is a memorizer. I know she knows exactly, okay, I hit this. And it was a lot of Ryan Murphy-isms where it's like, he's going to write to Kim's strengths. So with all of that, she's not going to fail.

And she will make sure she doesn't fail. She'll get extra takes. She'll get the proper lighting. She'll get whatever she needs. And she will. Kim is not going to be bad at any point she won't let herself be on tv okay well let's talk about real quote-unquote talent then travis kelsey and taylor swift both two very talented people in their own fields maybe

travis not so much on the field the last couple of games. You know, it's like, boy, you're literally dropping the ball. But what do you think about them? So they've been quite public for however many months now, spent holidays together, traveled internationally. Their families have hung out. I feel like we've seen more of this relationship than relationships she's been in for years. Do you think it's publicity?

Did Ryan Reynolds and State Farm have something to do with it? I mean. This relationship is sponsored by State Farm. Right? But it's kind of how it started. Yeah. You're not going to convince me this is real. I don't care what you do.

I just, I'm never going to believe it's a real relationship. I think it's as real as it can be. I think it's as real as two people that are that famous. Okay. Whatever real can be for them, I think it's real. It might not be real in terms of how we view relationships, but I think it's real for where they are in terms of celebrity. I will say I'm fully supportive.

It gave me a chuckle. I always, but now I'm getting to the point where, speaking of talented, I think it kind of takes away from the conversation about her artistry. And I'm, unfortunately, I know you're a huge football fan. I just don't really pay attention to sports that much. And I know he's considered good except for this past week. Um, but I, you know, I think it takes away from that conversation of just how her output in terms of songwriting, what she, how she is as an artist, which I think we're now having those conversations about Beyonce

all the time. I don't want it to over, I don't want this relationship to overshadow her actual artistry and her actual work. Yeah. If things didn't work out with Travis and you were tasked with playing matchmaker for her, who would you have in mind? Who would be the ultimate perfect match for Taylor Swift long-term?

Kyle Richards. Honestly, like I would want to put her with like a random prince oh i would okay like prince that's good okay or like an unknown kennedy i mean she did date the kennedy kid for a while right yeah i mean yeah she needs royalty or something i don't know gosh that is a great that's a great question I mean like I can think of joke answers but I'm trying to think in terms of actual who I think would be a fascinating relationship but I just think she is such a like at the top of the heap in terms of stars is how do you have those real relationships and you know it's like she couldn't direct you know she

couldn't be with like a Christopher Nolan you you know, director of Oppenheimer. Yeah. Or, you know. Could she? Yeah. I mean, God, what about Taylor and Greta Gerwig? Breaking up marriages. Sorry. My bad. You homewrecker.

Sorry. Sorry. All right. One last topic I want to ask you guys about because I've got to get going to Dancing with the Stars. Kristen Cavallari recently was trolled for saying on a podcast that it doesn't matter when you sleep with a date. So she was responding to a listener question on her Let's Be Honest podcast when asked about how many dates you need to go on before it's okay to sleep with the guy. And she answered, I don't think it fucking matters if you sleep with him on the first or 10th date. If there's chemistry and feelings there, it doesn't matter.

People then flooded her with misogynistic commenters and people saying that was trash advice for young women in today's society. Another person said, we live in a hookup culture. If you're looking for something sustainable and lasting, sleeping with them right away at the get go is not the way. and lasting. Sleeping with them right away at the get-go is not the way. So should you wait to engage in physical intimacy with a partner? And if so, what do you think? Like how long should you hold out? No, Kristen is absolutely right. Because I know people who were married and they hooked up on the first date. Like she's right. If there's chemistry, it doesn't matter. To me, the weirdest thing was that her fans, her audience was coming for her. And it's chemistry, it doesn't matter. To me, the weirdest thing was that her fans, her audience was coming for her

and it's like, it goes to show like how your branding can change because what I knew, Kristen Cavallari from Laguna Beach, that girl would have said the exact same thing

and her audience would have been like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now her audience is like, shame on you. You're a mother. And women always get

a double E. Like men are allowed to sleep around, but women aren't. That's what I was going to say. Does the same question ever come up for men it's just like such a double standard it's it is very weird and it's like i have more of like a or kind of the earlier kristen covel no like i i was like i've slept with not many people like i don't think that's shocking to anybody and like i was in a long marriage and a long relationship and you know so i was going from these things and i kind of missed out on like casual hookups and dating and things like

that to the point where I don't even, I can't even read signals. Like I don't even know how any of that works. So when I had to get on like hinge for the first time, that was like the fear of God. And then you would even read people who were like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I hook up with them on the first night. And then I was like, is that what you're supposed to do? And I was like, I'm so scared. I was like, I don't even know how to make moves and how do you do this and how do you do that? But it is interesting just from a pop culture observation

of how women get treated in this space is that we all laugh about the Southern Charm dudes even though we know, like, no offense, Shep's Hit List is probably like a mile and a half long.

Can't even imagine. But women, like, we then look down on them so much and it's like, wait, why is there even a different conversation in this at all?

Like, it makes no sense to me. It doesn't because I'm sure I could give Shep's Hit List a run for its money so much and it's like wait why is there even a different conversation in this at all like it makes no sense to me it doesn't because i'm sure i could give shep's hit list a run for its money and then i would be looked at as the crazy one i just want to say i was on the makeout hit list not the sleeping hit list just gonna put that out there okay no but we would come down on you more and go what's her problem what's up with her yeah yeah well you know what kristin get yours kyle shannon everyone sending you love, wishing you the best. And if you guys enjoyed listening to this form of shenanigans, doing some hot topics, you want to hear more, let me know. Cause I would love to have both

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