Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Jill Wintersteen and Billie Lee

Episode Date: September 18, 2018

The Spirit Daughter’s Jill Wintersteen joins Scheana and co-host Billie Lee to talk about the intricacies and importance of consciousness, the power of your sign, what to look for when dating, the guidance of her workbooks, and how to find your center. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. We're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. Because we're good as gold Because we're good as gold Hey guys, welcome back to another Shenanigans. So today we're doing something different again. I have a co-host with me and an amazing guest. So my co-host is Miss Billie Lee. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for helping me out with this. I know Billie has some insight with our guest today, Jill Winterstein, aka the spirit daughter. How are you? Good. How are you? Good. So thanks for being here. Love your necklace. She has this like gorgeous like crescent moon necklace. It's really pretty. Oh, thank you. And I'm sure there's a reason behind it. There is. Yeah? Okay, well now you've got to tell us.

Actually, this is opal, which is a favorite stone of my grandmother's. And my friend actually has a company that makes these called the Neshama Project. Give her a little plug. Yeah. And we connected. She was the first person I actually met when I moved here to L.A. eight years ago. Okay. And we connected on stories, on Vibe, on all the things.

And so she gifted this to me when the Moon Workbooks were really taking off. Yeah. We're going to get into that, too. It's just a centering thing. Awesome. I was holding back on the story. Yeah. No, that's cool.

Well, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. So I know you started your interest in astrology when you were a teenager. I mean, I'm sure you must have felt like a pull towards this since you were younger, right? Like what made you gravitate towards doing this as a career? I've always had a pull towards astrology and psychology and basically anything that could explain the human consciousness. I just became really fascinated with it. I have no idea why. Maybe I was born this way.

Well, probably. Probably. Born with that gift. Probably. I probably had my first existential crisis when I was 12. Oh, no. I was like, why are we here? What's the meaning of life?

Yeah. 12 was a tough age for women. It's a really tough age. 12 and 13 no joke were the worst two years of my entire life. Yeah me too. Yeah. Me too. My mother will tell you all about that summer in detail because she hasn't forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't tell my mom a lot of the 12 and 13 year old stories until I was like I'm gonna wait till I graduate high school and't tell my mom a lot of the 12 and 13-year-old stories until I was like, I'm going to wait until I graduate high school and then tell my mom how awful junior high was because she just had a baby and I didn't want her to feel bad that I was going through shit. So I was like, no, no, I'm fine.

I'm so happy in school. And I was just like, I hate my life. Yeah. But everything's great now. Yeah. Everything's great now. It was just a rough patch. Yeah, it was.

It was the late 90s. It's awesome when you start puberty, right? Isn't that the age? Yeah. Yeah, that's the age. And I was in Catholic school, so that naturally lent to some questions. Yeah, I was in public school, and then my parents were like, we're taking you out of public school, and we're putting your ass in Catholic school.

Oh, wow. And that was actually what helped me, I think, just from being in public school for so long and then making the switch. I was like, I'm not wearing uniforms. I'm going to flunk that test on purpose. And then I'm sitting in the room taking the test. I'm like, well, I know the answer is A. I can't purposely pick C because I was a good kid.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Your goodness shone through. Yes. I like it. So you studied at John Hopkins. I did research at John Hopkins.

That's amazing. In neuroscience. So I was actually a neurogenetics researcher in my previous career, in one of my previous careers. So yeah, kind of a nerd. I love that. So okay, just for my listeners, let's just like start from the beginning. So what got you really into studying astrology, neuroscience, consciousness, all of that? I would say that it probably was this natural search for meaning that I tuned into from a young age. And then I went, you know, I found, I sought it out. I sought out psychology.

I was reading psychology books when I was 16 and I was reading astrology books. So anything that would provide me with answers, I just latched onto and read books and talked to people. Astrology in particular, it was kind of serendipitous in a lot of ways. I would just stumble into these like metaphysical bookshops that would be selling crystals and astrology books because back then there was no internet right yeah it's like 1996 so you're like go buy the book you couldn't download it oh totally yeah no internet that was before even dial up exactly it was before even dial up i don't even think like the younger millennials know what dial up is it was before all of that so you know here i was before all of that. So here I was just kind of curious, wondering what the hell was going on in the world and stumbling into these shops and talking to these ladies about astrology and crystals

and all these questions and things that I had going on in my mind that nobody in my immediate world, like my mom, could really give me an answer. My mom's in finance. So she was just looking at me like, what? A little different. A little different. So I basically at a young age just started this search for answers to the universe. And I still don't have them.

But that was the thing that I found. It was a lifelong search. It's a journey. It's a journey. It's a journey. And so every part of my path has, has been that. And, and in my, you know, discoveries, I found many methods of healing and I found many things that worked for me. And, you know, I still can't unravel the mysteries of

the consciousness or the human mind. Um, but I have, I have found many, many tools, uh, in my journey and my travels that have helped me and helped others. Totally. Wait, can I ask what everyone's sign is? You can ask whatever you want. Yeah, go for it. Oh, see, I have the – it's right here. We're going to get into it.

I'm dying to know what your sign is. Okay, we can just go right to that and then go back to my questions. So, okay, so I have this app called CoStar on my phone. Yes. So, okay. So I have this app called CoStar on my phone. Yes. And, oh, my God, I was so into it last night that I was literally, like, in tears because I was like, okay, this shit is so spot on right now.

Like, it is creepy. Like, my sister says that we live in a simulation and, like, has all of these, like, theories and all of these things. But I was like, my phone is listening to what is going on in my life right now because it just, it could not have been more spot on. So I'm, my son is in Taurus. Okay. My moon is in Sagittarius and my rising sign is Gemini. Gemini. Got it. And everything, I have to read some of this because it was just like fascinating to me last night.

I screenshot it. I was like, oh my God, we have to talk about this. Wait, what side is it? So my son is in Taurus. No, but what... CoStar. CoStar. Oh, CoStar, which app. Yeah. Okay. So, it says, the sun determines your ego, identity,

and role in life. It's the core of who you are and is the sign you're most likely to already know. Your sun is in Taurus, meaning you are fundamentally stable, I hope, deliberate and practical, though somewhat stubborn, as most horses are. Your sensual side takes comfort and pleasure very seriously. You appreciate nice things when they're useful and meaningful. People appreciate how reliable you are. True that. And this is what

I wanted to ask you about. It says it's in your 11th house, meaning you feel the need to distinguish yourself from others through social status, including platonic and casual friends, totally, to distinguish yourself from others through social status, including platonic and casual friends. Totally. Along with your hopes, wishes, and dreams. So what does the 11th house mean? How many houses are there? There are 12 houses.

Okay. So each, there are 12 zodiac signs. And each. Oh, okay. So yeah, each zodiac sign has a planet that rules it. So Venus rules Taurus. And also has a house that it belongs to. And basically the natural order of the zodiac wheel is that Aries is the first house. And so those properties

match up, right? So first house is all about the self. Aries is about the self. For your personal chart, your rising sign, which is Gemini, starts your wheel. So Gemini is in your first house. That's the house of yourself. So that's why your rising sign is normally what we say is what you project out into the world. That's the image that you project. Which is so spot on because, got to read this this i was fascinated by this last night it says rising in gemini your ascendant is the mask you present to people and i am so billy knows this like i'm so guilty of putting on this happy mask everything's perfect and then like crying when i

get home but like to other people always acting like everything's sunshine and rainbows it's like my thing but this is the first year i stopped doing that and I just let myself be open and vulnerable. And I think that for our job and the show that we're on, I think people will get to see that side of me, which they never have before. But when I read that, I was like, oh, my God, that's so true. It says it can be seen in your personal style and how you come off to people when you first meet. Some say it becomes less relevant as you get older. It changes every two hours, which I found interesting. So if it doesn't make sense, text your mom and confirm your birth time.

But I got mine. 8.36 a.m., mom. Yep. Yeah. Your ascendant is in Gemini, meaning you come across as quick-witted, chatty, eclectic, and fun, though somewhat inconsistent. In conversation, you seem probing and curious, and that's all so true. And it's, I don't think I'm necessarily inconsistent, but I'm very wishy washy at times. And I like to see all sides. And so I'm like, no, I totally agree with you. But

ah, no, I think I agree with you. But then I agree with that person too. So I can see how that can come off as inconsistent. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what you, like I always say, I can't, I have a hard time guessing sun signs, but I can guess So that's what you, like I always say, I can't, I have a hard time guessing sun signs, but I can guess rising signs, you know, like, can you guess? Because that's what you're putting out into the world. That's your rising sign. And it was the sign. So it was the constellation that was rising on the horizon when you were born. So that's why it changes every two hours, right? Because you have different things rising in different hours. Okay.

So that's why it changes. The rising sign changes more quickly than anything else that you'll see in that chart. So yeah, you're rising as Gemini. The interesting thing about your chart is you're rising as Gemini. Your moon is in Sagittarius. Sagittarius and Gemini are opposite one another. So they sit opposite in the zodiac wheel. And your moon is

your emotions right so your moon rules your emotions uh-huh so basically your emotional body is always at war with what you're presenting to the world it's so true I so moon and Sagittarius the moon rules your emotions moods and feelings this is likely the sign you most think of yourself as since it reflects your personality when you're alone or deeply comfortable. Your moon is in Sagittarius, meaning your emotional self is restless, self-questioning, optimistic, and independent. All true. You may hide your sensitivities behind an interest in finding new ways to feel.

Yep. It's in your sixth house, meaning you find security and safety through work, routines, and bodily health. Yeah. Yeah, so the house thing work routines and bodily health. Yeah. Yeah. So the house thing, getting back to that. Yeah. So your wheel, you know, we can think of it as a wheel, starts with Gemini. So Gemini makes your first house.

And then everything sort of falls into place. The next sign is Cancer. That's in your second house. Next sign is Leo. That's your third house. So it'll, like, all fall like that. And then the houses are the arenas. So they are kind of the containers or the places in your life where these energies show up.

So that's where you're going to see them more. So when we look at like your sun in Taurus, we're going to see those qualities, which are your core personality, coming up in your 11th house, which is called the house of friends, but's also the house of humanity it's it's typically ruled by Aquarius and the natural chart so it takes on all of those properties of Aquarius which are like out-of-the-box thinking which are humanity which are bringing together the collective yeah grouping being groups of people together So your son falls in the 11th house, which means you probably throw a really great party. I did last night. Oh, my God. I do throw a really great party.

Ask anyone who had my carne asada nachos last night. And it's probably creative because Tauruses are very creative. So you probably would have made an amazing event planner thrower. You know, it was something a couple years ago I thought about getting into after my mom and I planned my amazing wedding, which led to divorce, but whatever. The wedding itself was amazing. I was like, we should like get into event planning because it's something I definitely, I mean, not that it's genetic, but I've inherited it from my mom. She's an amazing host. And I think that's just something I've kind of gotten from her but definitely true you're a

natural host yeah which you're I'm a people pleaser you're a people I'm a pushover well not necessarily a pushover you don't have to be so you know Taurus is the bull it's stubborn yeah I mean you can dig your heels in if you want I do both yeah yeah yeah and with Sagittarius, the same thing. Sagittarius is a very happy sign. I always think of Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter naturally. And Jupiter and Sagittarius are like the fun guy at the party. They're like the extroverts are always like making the great jokes and, you know, making the great salsa and things like that. Yeah.

So emotionally, it's actually amazing for you because you have this as your emotions. There's also a quest of freedom, though, that comes with it. So moons and Sagittarius are often like, where am I traveling next? Like, I need to travel. I need to wander. I need to seek truth. I need to find knowledge. Like, that's what's going to fulfill you.

Right? Our moon sign tells us what our needs are and what fulfills us. So anytime you feel like depressed or sad or anxious you always look to your moon what does my moon need you know does my moon need a trip of course why not i'm going to iceland next month for this exact reason there you go well that's the perfect thing for you speaking of moons okay so i have two water signs i'm pisces and then my rising is um gemini but then i have my moon as scorpio and i'm crying all the time oh yeah like i'm so emotional yeah all the time

so you're rising as so yeah i'm a pisces okay and then um yeah and then my moon is scorpio yeah but i feel like the gemini is really the only thing that holds me together. Like. And Gemini's air. So. Yeah. That's a hard one. The moon is, my moon's in Scorpio. I'm a Leo with a moon in Scorpio. Moon in Scorpio is heart. I think it's one of the hardest moon signs personally. And that may just be because I'm biased. It's intense. It's emotionally intense. It's emotionally intense because Scorpio is a very deep sign. It's very deep, very transformative. Scorpios are always seeking to get to the psychological underpinnings. It's probably what motivated me to like keep searching and searching and searching for the depths of human consciousness.

That is a very Scorpio trait. That was my moon in Scorpio dictating that kind of behavior. So when your moon is in Scorpio and, you know, you're feeling sad or you're feeling depressed, the thing to do is to sit with it and transform the energy. And that's hard. Yeah. It's not easy. when I'm feeling like feelings of anxiety or sadness or stress coming up, I sit down on my meditation cushion and I just feel them. And I use the power of alchemy, which is a gift of the Scorpio moon to transform them into something else. But it's taken years and years and years

of steady practice to be able to do that. So it's a really intense one. So it's not that you're emotional all the time. It's just that you need to create a container or a space to actually feel into your emotions and feel okay doing so and know that you have the power to turn them into anything that you want. Like if I feel depression starting to come up, I now create. I force myself to create something because that's the way to transform that for me. I do. I write and I blog. So it's definitely – especially if I'm getting rejected or something horrible happens on a date, I will go home and cry.

But then I'll write about it the next couple of days and it feels like so healing. Yeah. It's very, very healing for you because you're moving that energy outward. You're alchemizing it. You're a magician and magicians don't have it easy. That's what it comes down to, especially with the Pisces, Pisces sun. Uh, cause Pisces is also another water sign. So, uh, it is more emotional, but Pisces, um, they lack boundaries. So they're empathic, which is an amazing thing. So they can take on other people's feelings, but then they take on

other people's feelings. Yeah. I like walk in a store sometimes and I feel like I leave and I feel so overwhelmed. Some people, you know, they drink and then it's like they throw it like all their energy on top of you. I'm like, I can't breathe. And she's a lot newer into this group of crazy people who we film a show with work with our friends with our enemies with like it's just it's a toxic and amazing loving group at the same time it's just we're very up and down with each other and she's the newest member into this group so we've all been doing this for like seven eight years now and it's like i'm trying to to be like, okay, it's just, it's going to get

better. But like, I mean, it's, it's tough, especially with like such a clicky group of people who already are set in their ways to try and like penetrate that and like break into it. It's definitely not easy. No, no, that's not easy. Especially with all that water, your Gemini gives you a little extraversion, but the Pisces and Scorpio is going to tend to introvert you, which is going to make breaking into groups a little bit harder for you. You're more the person that needs to be invited in versus like a Leo is just going to run in and be like, hey, I'm here. What's going on, guys? That's so true. You're invited to girls night for the rest of my life.

Oh, my God. I know. Yeah. But, you know, it's okay. It's like we all kind of deal with what we have. It's like we all work with the cards that we're dealt. And everything is perfect. And I always tell people that above anything else, we always have free will as humans.

Like our birth chart does not dictate everything. Yeah. And that's my question, too, is a lot of people, of people especially like you know guys that we date sometimes they'll be like oh astrology what the hell i don't believe that like what do you say to people that say they don't believe it um obviously there's free will and you know when some people also get those very generic daily horoscopes they're like this has nothing to do with me. I'm like, well, it's not your chart. First of all, it's literally just a very general daily horoscope. Um, but I'm just curious what you would tell people. Cause sometimes I'm like trying to defend astrology and I'm like, no, I never defended. Okay. Well, which is, you know, that's always been sort of my stance on it.

I just give the information. Um, and I feel like if people really want it, they'll start picking it up and they'll start observing. My formal training is in research, so that's observational science. So I have six years under my belt of pure observational science. And I can tell you a lot of the science that we do is just correlations anyway. There's very few things that are pure cause and effect. Most of the studies we read are correlation anyhow. And so when you look at something like astrology, if somebody is really pressing me, I'll just tell them, hey, just observe it for a month. Just observe your sign, figure out what your sign is, observe what's

happening. Like observe, okay, today the sun is in Virgo, the moon is in Libra. Just observe it, just learn a little bit. You know, you don't have to believe in it right away to start learning about it. But, you know, just pick it up and see. Just give it a fair shot. Right. Give it a fair shot and start to see if some things start to correlate. I'm not convincing people that, like, this is causing this. I'm just saying, hey, when the moon's in the sign, see if you feel this way.

Right. You know, if you do, then maybe that can help you. You know, this is here. Why not learn about it? Why not use it to help us? Yeah. You know, and if it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't make sense to you. If it's not in, in your residence or in your field to learn about these things, then, then cool. Go, go do something else, you know, with your time. Like I'm fine with that. You know, I want people, I want to educate people and I want them to come to me with like an open mind, you know, and, and just be willing, just be willing to observe these things and be willing to apply some of these things to their lives and just see what happens. You know,

what's, what's the harm. Exactly. You know, that's what I tell people all the time. I'm like, what have you got to lose? Like, you know, try something. Say yes. Like, I started doing that this year. I used to be a person who would make a lot of excuses. If I didn't want to do something or go to something, I'd be like, okay, well, I'm just going to say this and kind of go around the truth a little and add this in. And now I'm just like, you know what? Yeah, sure. I would love to.

And, like, through that, I've made some amazing friends. Like, I've had some great experiences. And like through that, I've made some amazing friends. Like I've had some great experiences, but it's like if I would have just been the normal Sheena self who makes excuses, like I would have missed out on a lot of opportunities. So yeah, I say go for it, people. Yeah, I never turned down opportunities, like even dates sometimes. I'm like, I'm not 100% interested, but I'm not going to say no because you never know what could happen. Yeah. There's this one guy who keeps asking me out for like the last two months and so i'm like i'm just i'm not into him in a way that i want to go on like a one-on-one date

so i keep inviting him to group things what's the sign um that i don't know you should always find that out i know i'm always about the sign i don't know who this is first of all wait i was just about to talk about Lauren because he's a Scorpio. And oh, I think he's cute. He is cute. I just, I don't know. It's just there's not the spark. Yeah.

No, you need the spark. Yeah. You need the spark. And you know, Lauren, he's a Scorpio. And he's so like just such an amazing person. But I'm always like, you're such a Scorpio. And he's like, what? And then he started researching it.

And now he's like what and then he started researching it and now he's like see the person in my life closest with is also a taurus okay and my ex-boyfriend was a taurus okay my mother is a taurus okay i have a lot of tauruses is that good or bad uh that's okay yeah it's that mean we bump heads a lot because we do uh you can bump heads a lot just because i'm not looking my mom out just because I'm not just looking at my mom out there looking. I'm not just saying you. My best friend is also a Taurus. Adam. Tauruses can be stubborn. So I always say

that every sign has a low side and a high side. And then I always say that if both people are embodying the high side, then anybody can get along. But if you're embodying the low side, which a Taurus is stubbornness. Yes. And sticking to your comfort zones and attachments, right?

So like holding on for dear life, you know, to this belief or idea or the pair of shoes. Yeah. You're like, won't let them go. Clean out your closet. Oh my God. So true. But that's more of like the low side of Taurus. So if you have a couple of Tauruses in a room and they're not balanced or they're just like leaning one way or the other or they're triggering each other.

Triggering. Because you know how to trigger another Taurus better than anybody. Oh, yeah. Oh, he knows how to trigger me all right. So if you're triggering each other, then you're going to evoke the low side. So you're just going to bring out your stubbornness and you're going to bump heads. So that's how that works. My husband's a Leo.

Okay. My sister is a Leo. And I'm a Leo. And so the low side of Leo is like center of attention. So we will get into these battles where we're like, no, me, no, me, no, me. Yeah. these battles where we're like no me no me no me yeah and that's like my mom and my sister they constantly the taurus and the leo are like bumping heads yeah and i'm just like the nice and in the middle i'm like no like don't be mean to me mom and i'm just like i'm gonna stay out of

it that's a hard one yeah leo and taurus is a hard one yeah but my sister and i get along perfectly she's my best friend that's awesome it's just her and my mom. They just can't figure it out. Yeah. Yeah, and there's other things that come into play too. So you want to look at moons and you want to look at where your Venus is, especially when you're dealing with relationships. So you need to find out the guy's

time of birth location. I know. I'm all about stalking astrology wise. I have all these books in my house but i won't stalk their instagram or anything but i'll definitely like look at their birthday this is so interesting i'll even do the whole compatible thing which leads me to the question like which signs are more compatible with each other yes dating wise yeah dating wise yeah so it's a couple factors because there are sun signs.

So there's kind of like a general question where, yeah, fire will get along with fire. Air will get along with air. Water will get along with water. So if you look at like the water signs, cancer, Scorpio, Pisces. I love them. They tend to get along really well. They tend to understand each other. But at the same time, they can really trigger each other.

So it's like kind of what to be aware of. Um, and then also like, I remember talking to like two cancers who are in a relationship, they were just so emotional. Like neither one of them could get past their emotions to like get through to anything. My ex-husband was a cancer. I've been there. I love cancers though. They, I've dated cancer guys and they're crying all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Some of my best friends are cancers. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're absolutely awesome. But you put two of them together in a relationship, may not work out so well. Yeah. Opposites actually can work out really well together, which is interesting. They also can go the other way. Again, it's about embodying those

high sides or low sides. But you look at something like, you know, Taurus and Scorpio. Taurus and Scorpio actually have a lot in common. Opposing zodiac signs on that wheel, right? If we imagine that wheel, like it's a clock, you know, everything has its counterpart. So, you know, noon has six and, you know, 11 has five and all that stuff. So it's the same thing with the zodiac. So every zodiac sign has an opposing sign uh so tar is a scorpio okay um so those can actually work out because opposing signs are actually two sides of the same coin their core is very similar their execution of the energy is a bit different but at their core they're pretty similar when is scorpio scorpio is in November. Okay. But you can also find that you guys totally clash in the opposition. Again, it's about that low side, high side.

If you guys are both embodying the low sides of your signs while you're in the relationship, because the relationship is going to bring out different energy, then you're going to be in a true opposition. Yeah. So it's a lot of different factors. You also want to look at the moon. I always say look at the moons even more so than the sun signs when you're dealing with relationships. Look at the moon and the Venus placement, right? So each of the planets also have their signs. So you have Venus in a sign, Mercury in a sign, so forth.

My Venus is in Aries. Your Venus is in Aries. That is amazing. That's good. Wait. I didn't read this last night. Okay. Hold on. This is something you're going to be like, totally.

Determines how and what you love. It indicates how you express affection and the qualities you're attracted to. Your Venus is an Aries, meaning your romantic side is enthusiastic, impulsive, and direct. So true. You fall in love quickly and out of love just as fast. Hell yeah, Julia Michaels.

She says that in one of her songs. I can love you just like that and I can leave just as fast. Yeah. The Issues song. Shout out to her. You tend to be forthright and direct with your crushes. Even if you haven't confessed, you make a lot of inside jokes, touch them a lot, and maintain eye contact. Why am I reading this live out loud?

I hope no guys who want to date me are listening to this. You alternate between seeming demanding and disinterested in the relationship. It's in your 10th house, meaning that that for you love is often expressed in career goals success and responsibility this app you guys is amazing called co star i know i'm gonna download it right now wow this is so spot on yeah they're pretty accurate yeah um so yeah you may actually want to look for for an aries uh because he'll understand your love life. My ex-boyfriend was on the cusp. Yeah. You may want to like kind of play around with an Aries or a guy with a moon in Aries.

Okay. Although guys with a moon in Aries can be a little freedom driven. So you might want to stay away from that. Okay. I feel like that's everyone in LA though. True. Yeah. See, we're both single women.

So we're like, okay, what should we steer away from? Because it's not that I'm looking for something, but what do I want to not have? What do you want to not have? You know? So, okay. Moon and Aries. Watch out. Red flag.

I'm not good with Gemini. Like, I don't know why I can't date a Gemini. Like, I've tried a couple times. Gemini, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they can be very hard even though you're rising isn't gemini that can be hard for a water sign so a water waters will do uh better with earth signs i love earth sign yeah because water and earth are both feminine air and fire

are masculine right so it all comes down to the elements okay so water and earth are feminine water and earth are feminine i Water and earth are feminine. I'm all about the feminine energy. Water women do very well with earth men. Yes. Okay. I'm going to write this down right now. Because they ground you. Because they'll ground you. Yeah. And they'll create a container for your emotions. And if you guys like both create like the high side together, then you have space.

You have somebody who is creating space for you and structure for you to download your emotions and process them and transform them hopefully. I've been literally saying out loud like the last week I've been manifesting and writing about having a boyfriend. Like it's time. I'm ready to have a relationship. Now I just need to say it out loud. Like I have a boyfriend who's also an earth sign. There you go. That needs to happen.

Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. Wait, what sign? Okay. So I'm a Taurus. So what's.

So you're earth. I'm earth. So you're an earth sign. I would not suggest you going for a water sign. I would actually stay away from water signs if I were you. In the mail. And water signs are I were you in the male department. And water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces, hence why I am divorced. Yeah.

I would definitely stay away from water. You're a little too strong for a water guy. Water men are amazing, but because water is such a feminine element and demands that you embrace your intuition and your feminine side, it can be very hard for a man to deal with being a Cancer or a Scorpio or a Pisces. Some of them do it brilliantly, you know, but they – some of them really struggle. And my guess is that most of them struggle more than the ones that make the high side. So true. Like the ones that really master the water usually end up like, you know, crystal dude or like very evolved, you know, like a very evolved man.

You know, like he ends up like a shaman or, you know, a public speaker is like speaking about positivity or like writing a book on yeah i've totally met them i've totally met them yeah wait okay so what are earth signs again earth signs are virgo taurus and capricorn and capricorn what's early february early february is aquarius aquarius okay is that good for me uh it can be good for you aquarius and pisces okay yeah yeah pisces well pisces is a water sign starts about the 2020th of february okay yeah because i'm the 22nd of february yeah yeah you're right on the cusp yeah my dad's a pisces yeah yeah so okay tell us I wonder if your mom agrees with that. Pisces male.

But you have so much, like, power behind you. I do. You have a lot of. See, and I think that's intimidating as far as relationships go is because I am a very independent, self-sufficient woman who makes her own money and does not need a man. And you have a lot of fire. I may want one, but I don't need one. and you have a lot of earth and fire in your chart already from what i'm hearing uh-huh and so that just gives you like the structure and this motivation

and gives you uh not an intense personality but like you know who you know who you are absolutely and you could probably bulldoze over a guy very easily especially if he hasn't like come to terms with his own power yeah i picture you with a powerful dude that can handle that and like has his own independence and his own like big huge life that's what i need i don't need what i've already you may need a fire sun you may need an aries or a a Sagittarius. You'd probably do really well with a Sagittarius too. Sometimes it helps to and you can experiment with this, to match

your moon, right? Because moon is the feminine. So your moon is a Sagittarius. Sun is masculine. So you match your moon with the guy's sun. Oh. Match my moon with someone's sun. Interesting. Match moon with sun someone's son. Interesting.

Match moon with a son. You would be matching a Scorpio male, which is very, Scorpio men are interesting. I can't decide. Honestly, it's the best sex I've ever had. I was going to say, they're amazing in bed.

Their sex is so passionate. I've fallen really hard. And you know, Lauren, he's a Scorpio, and then also his sex is so passionate. Like I've fallen really hard. And you know, Lauren, he's a Scorpio and then also his moon is Pisces. And I'm like, I keep him at arm distance at all times because I'm like, I will fall in love with you. Especially like

I've had an ex-boyfriend who was a Scorpio and the sex was so good I still think about it and masturbate to it. That's how good it was. You gotta get that good but better. Yeah, exactly. So you think about something new masturbate to it that's how good it was you gotta get that they are known for that better yeah so you think about something new and not the past i'm not i mean it only comes up once in a while but definitely like scorpio stuck with me so there's some evidence you know and how to defend astrology i mean conclusively i have yet to talk to a woman who does not say that a Scorpio man was like the best guy.

Well, while we're talking about sex, Billy has these crystal sex toys. And I know your website featured a section with crystals. Crystals, yeah. So, okay. Like, enlighten me on this crystals thing. Yeah, because I had a – I mean, I still do have a crystal uh it's kind of like a crystal dildo in a way um it also helps me dilate so my vagina because I had sexual reassignment surgery it doesn't like dilate like a normal vagina and so um or a cis vagina so I have to use that sometimes especially if I'm like if I have a sexual partner whose penis is somewhat large. Uh-huh. Scorpio.

Yeah. But I love this crystal. Like, I did this whole meditation thing with BuzzFeed back in the day, and we did this whole workshop where I, like, meditated and just gave so much love to my vagina while I was dilating and meditating with the crystal. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm definitely interested. What does it mean? Does it mean of jade or quartz or rose quartz?

Rose, yeah. Rose quartz, okay. Yeah, they're usually either made of like jade quartz or rose quartz. Yeah. Rose quartz is for love. It's for unconditional love. So you're supposed to carry the vibration of love. So it's great if you're practicing how to love yourself

or you just need to invoke that emotion. Quartz is very clearing. So clear quartz or rose quartz will clear out any negativity. So crystals, their properties come from their vibration. So they carry an energetic vibration that is said to align with like the vibration of love, right? So every emotion carries its own vibration, which, you know, is one of the ways that we alchemize our emotions as we just shift the vibration.

So in any event, every emotion, every quality has a certain vibration. Crystals each carry a vibration within their being. And so when we- And that's when they're formed, right? And that's when they're formed. It's like back in the day where the planet, the condition of the planet,

and when they were formed, they're now that energy. They're now that energy. Okay. Yeah. They're now that energy. And they like vibrate. Imagine their little molecules vibrating at a certain frequency. So some days physics will prove this.

I can't wait. I know. I'm alive. I know. I put my crystals in the sun, but people always ask me like, how does it have energy? And I'm like, I love that you just explained that because I put mine to charge them. I put it in the sun. You put them in the full moon, too.

It'll cleanse them. Yeah. The full moon will cleanse them. But yeah, the sun, you know, sends us its light codes, right? So it's just vibrations of light. Same thing with the moon. We're picking it all up. We're just dealing with frequencies here of energy for the most part.

And crystals carry a certain frequency. So when you're holding rose quartz, it helps align your energetic field with the vibration of love, which is the vibration the rose quartz is carrying. And maybe that's what your vagina needs is some unconditional love. That's what I was doing. Yeah. I was sending love to her because I just like, I think going through any crazy transformation, I was like scared. And then I was like putting negative energy towards my vagina because it was so tight and I did go through a lot of pain. So I needed to just put love there. That's great.

And small dick guys need love too. Hey, I'm all about a small dick guy. Like honestly, I would prefer it. That's how. You hear that boys? that's great and small dick guys need love too hey i'm all about a small dick guy like honestly i would prefer it that's how you hear that voice like i don't do any work i don't do any prep my girlfriends are like his dick was so small i can't do it and i'm like i'm like that one's too big for you send him over okay now um i want you to tell us more about your workbooks. Like, how can they help people understand themselves better?

So, my workbooks are based on the collective astrology. So, what's happening right now, not personal. And they're based on the moon signs. So, we just had the new moon yesterday in Virgo. So, the new moon is always in the same sign as the sun. So the sun's in Virgo right now. It's Virgo season. Anybody born today is a Virgo. And then the moon travels, it spends about two and a half days in each sign and travels around the earth through the signs and then meets back with the sun every new moon. So it's this marker when

the moon and the sun meet every new moon. And with that gives us both of their energies, their combined energies. And so just like we were talking about vibrations, we can harness the vibrations of say the new moon to help us plant powerful intentions, create seeds, you know, that will blossom all month long or for the next six months and really align with ourselves and our subconscious. Yeah. Right. So they say that the veil between the subconscious and the conscious mind is lowered on the new

moon because the moon and the sun, masculine, feminine, dark, light are together in the sky. Okay. They're also gravitationally pulling on us from the same direction. I feel like when a new moon's around like uh happening i feel like there's no shadow so i feel like everything is just here yes oh i'm very sensitive i feel a lot i'm um i remember i did a ceremony an ayahuasca ceremony one time and it was during a new moon and it was the hardest ceremony that i experienced and

um the shaman was like oh sweetie it's a new moon there's no shadows the hardest ceremony that I experienced. And the shaman was like, oh, sweetie, it's a new moon. There's no shadows. Everything's here for you. And I was like, that's why. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so you can get in touch with what you really want. And all of that, all those layers that we use to suppress our true desires are lifted. And so the workbook works, like walks people through the process of uncovering through journaling prompts, who you really are and what you really want, while harnessing the energy of that new moon. So we just had the new moon in Virgo yesterday, all about healing, all about finding your unique gift to the world, right? What do you want to express about yourself? What do you want to give? What do you want, right? What do you want to express about yourself? What do you want to give? What do you want to offer? What do you want to be of service? Virgo

usually is in the sixth house, house of service, getting back to your house question. So you had something in your sixth house, that's your moon, that's your service, right? That's your offering. So Virgo will tell us. So the new moon and Virgo yesterday, it's time to really think about like, what is your surface? What is your offering? What do you want to give to the world and what do you have to heal within yourself to realize you're worthy enough and good enough to give your gift to the world? Yeah. So that was like the main theme of yesterday's new moon.

So the workbooks, well, there's an explanation on Virgo. A lot of people will just get them because they love it. I talk about the sun sign. I talk about the moon sign. People with their sun in Virgo are this. People with their moon in Virgo are this. And then I'll also like go into like what the new moon means, what the new moon in Virgo means. I give meditations. I give like yoga. You can do that. It's all to align you with the energy of the new moon in Virgo. So those two things. And then there's a dream time sequence for you to like dream your life, create your intentions, see your visions, and just get to know like who you are. Like what do you want?

Like what do you want in this world? Because we can have anything that we want. We just have to know what it is that we want. Right. Exactly. You know, that's the point. One of the other things I wanted to ask you is I saw on your website, which is spiritdaughter.com, check it out, that you feature a lot of dream catchers. So tell me more about this.

Like, do they really, like, catch dreams? I mean, like, how can they benefit and help in spiritual exploration? I have them all over my house. I have some. Yeah, I love dream catchers. I really never knew the real point of them other than for looks i'm like oh that's cute i'm gonna hang it up in my room but i'm like is it really catching my dreams is it yeah my nightmares with me like

so it's sad i actually work with a woman in bali who hand makes all those dream pictures she's amazing uh her and her sister's hand make all of these yeah and um you know the ones we sell the profits um her share of it goes to like supporting her and her village and things like that. So the money she makes from these dream catchers. That's amazing. But it's said that the net actually acts as a filter. So we have all these energies floating around us.

We have negative energies. We have positive energies. I don't really believe any energy is negative or positive until we put our conscious spin on it, but that's another story. We have all these different vibrations, all these different frequencies. The dream catcher catches the bad ones and then it catches all of them actually. It catches the bad and the positive. It holds onto the bad ones. So it's like a coffee filter and the bad ones are like the beans you know or the grinds and it holds on to them and then it allows the good energy to like drip down and that's what

the strands are for it allows them to drip down the strands into you while you sleep so you have pleasant dreams i love that i have them all over my house like that and crystals and plants are all over my house yeah yeah when i told her you were doing my podcast she was like wanted to come and i was like how about you just co-host it with me because she's super into all of this stuff as am I. But I know she knows a lot more about it than I do. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So they're awesome and they do need to be cleansed because they do catch bad stuff. So you especially, Billy, want to cleanse your dream catchers because you're very sensitive as a Pisces to energy. You can take Palo Santo or sage and light it and just cleanse them. I've heard her say that before. I give Palo Santo to everyone, especially a sir. Yes.

All the drama. I'm like, pick some Palo Santo. Yeah. That's so good for you as a Pisces. You should do that every day and envision a white light around you. You know, when I did my ayahuasca ceremony, the Palo Santo like was literally, it just blew all of this negative stuff away from me. They came and fanned it on me. And ever since that one, my first ceremony, I think it was like seven years ago, I've been obsessed with Palo Santo. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. It's, it's really good for you. You should use it

every day at the end of the day, just because you pick up so much stuff as a Pisces. Yeah, thank you for that reminder. Especially in this world we live in. Oh, my God. So you studied neuroscience and psychology, which helped you obviously explore consciousness. What about consciousness do you think everyone needs to know in order to live more authentically, so to say? know in order to live more authentically, so to say? I think that the thing about consciousness is we don't, we think about it as a single entity within ourselves. And actually, what I've come to the conclusion of is interaction of energies. So everything in our conscious awareness is actually an interaction of energy. So you're in my conscious awareness right now,

because my energy is interacting with yours. I'm seeing you for one. Your actual physical form is interacting with, you know, my sight. But we're also exchanging energy on a million other levels that we have no idea about. Like a subconscious level? Like a subconscious level, you know? Like our energy is like off over in the corner having the whole other conversation that we have no idea about. But that filters into our conscious experience, which is why when you meet a guy, you like hit it off right away or you don't because there's some level of your consciousness that's interacting with a level of his consciousness and they're interacting.

Right. So it's in the interactions of energies, if that makes sense. consciousness that's interacting with a level of his consciousness and they're interacting, right? So it's in the interactions of energies, if that makes sense. Now, how do you, how much do you think the subconscious affects the conscious mind? A lot. But like without us realizing it, right? Without us realizing it, without us realizing it down to like the short you picked out today, you know, there's like something that clues you in. And also we can be – I think our consciousness extends past time and space. Yeah.

So we can consciously – we can subconsciously like pick out a color shirt and then say we meet somebody later that day and they're like, oh my gosh, that's my favorite color. Or you have the same outfit. Or you have this – my best friend and I do this all the time. color or you have the same outfit like you're like my best friend and i do this all the time we always match each other not on purpose but like at least like twice a week we show up matching because you're conscious and he's the tourist yeah yeah yeah okay so you're connected on another level so there's like something in you that we're connected on so many levels and that's consciousness it's connection it's interaction of energy human connection a lot of people I've experienced this lately and a lot of people are talking about it, like how time is just so fast now.

Like there, it's like everything is- Time flies. Time flies. And I know people say like when you get older, but I've been hearing this from everyone. And is it because like we are expanding faster and faster? The universe is like, so I've heard. So- It is expanding.

Does that have something to do with it? Like, what do you? It could. Time is really interesting. Time is just a perception. Right. And it's one of those like mind-bending things that if you, you know, take enough mushrooms or ayahuasca and you can sit there and talk, you can think about time for months.

Oh, yeah. And just the whole construct. It's a dimension, right? Time is a dimension. And so just like any dimension, it. And just the whole construct. It's a dimension, right? Time is a dimension. And so just like any dimension, it can shift and it can change. And we have this time that we've all agreed upon on this planet and this clock and this cycle that we've all agreed upon. But who knows? Yeah.

I feel like it's shifting. What time actually is. Yeah. And it probably is shifting because the universe is always shifting. Yeah. It's shifting slowly, but it's always shifting. Do you believe in time travel? I think time travel could be possible.

I definitely – Because time isn't linear. We just perceive it that way. Because time's not linear. Time's not linear. So I think that, you know, we can travel through time i also believe in like you know black holes and that we could you know get to another galaxy like very quickly yeah i believe in aliens oh for sure yeah yeah absolutely that's that's an absolute but yeah i think time travel is possible

maybe elon musk will figure it out right yeah he will come on dude yeah i heard he just got some shit for smoking some weed i know can i can we smoke a joint there's no blunt here right what there's always weed with me so do you think consciousness precedes existence or is there like such a thing as universal consciousness that like connects us all i think there is yeah i think there is i think that um we're all connected through our consciousness and that we all this is all energy and we're all just the same energy in individual little packets that we call ourselves like i'm just the packet of energy that's labeled jill yeah you know but really like we're all connected.

We're all one. It's called non-duality in philosophy. And it's basically that we really are all just one energy system. And we, you know, so when I tell people like listen to the universe, what I'm telling them is listen to yourself, you know, because you are the universe. You are everything. You know, we are Venus. You are everything. We are Venus.

We are Jupiter. We are the sun. We're absolutely everything. It's all the same material. And we're connected to everything through our consciousness, which is the interaction of all these energetic systems. But to me, it's all the same. And so I think it does precede everything. What do you –

I like these questions. Thanks. I got to give some credit to my producer, Will, because he's the smart one out of the two of us and came up with some of these. I can't take full credit for them all. I threw in my spin. But what do you think are a few things people can do today to get more in touch with themselves and their consciousness? Meditate. Yeah.

So that was another thing I wanted to ask you about. What do you think is the best form of meditation for someone like me who is always stressed, has anxiety, is like on the go, like always has people needing things? Like for me to just decompress, like I'll put on sad music and cry. I feel like that's like my meditating. I did that in the car this morning. Yeah, yeah. But then I'm just making myself depressed by listening to sad songs. For you, it seems like you have a pretty active mind.

I would probably just give you like a distracting meditation where I wouldn't ask you to sit blankly or observe anything. I would tell you to like count numbers. Oh. So, you know, when – Because my mind goes crazy. Like I can't just – Or a mantra.

That's why I don't really read a lot because I'm like so – I'm not ADD. But it's just like my mind thinks of something that I just read and then I'm like, wait, what was the – So I'll give you two that you can try. And again, just, you know, experiment with them. Or TM too. It's Transcendental meditation.

And they have a workshop right there close by you actually by the beach. Oh, really? I did a four-day thing. And it's just nice because they give you the mantra. It really helps me having a mantra. I feel like I'm lucky. Exactly. Yeah.

So you can try just like counting. You count up to eight, like inhale one, exhale two, inhale three. You're just watching your inhales. You're not trying to change them at all. You're just letting them be natural. And you count up to eight and then you start back at one. And when you have a really active mind, what will happen is you'll get to six and you'll lose track and then you'll end up at 20 and you won't know where your mind went.

And then you start back at one or you'll forget the number. One to eight, then eight to one? You go one to eight and then you go back to one. Okay. It's always back at one or you'll forget the number. One to eight, then eight to one? You go one to eight and then you go back to one. Okay. It's always back to one. So one to eight, then back to one. I do like breathing exercises when I have a lot of anxiety where it's like in for however many, out, and then back in. Like it helps calm my heart rate.

Yeah, definitely. But for this, you're just like observing the breath. So inhale one, exhale two, inhale three, exhale four. So you can try that for five minutes and then switch to so hum, which is mantra meditation. And so hum just means I am. I am that. And so you say so on the inhale, hum on the exhale. So hum, so hum, so hum, so hum.

But for you, if you have a really active mind, you'll just go off on that. The numbers keep you accountable because you're actually counting up to something. And so when you lose track at five, you're like, oh, shit. I can't remember what number I'm on. Right. Yeah. Whereas like so hum. Right.

And you can kind of get – Stoner problems, short-term memory loss. Yeah. So try both of those. Yeah. OK. Try the counting and try the Sohum. And for me, I always tell people that's my answer to the majority of my questions.

Meditate, meditate, meditate. Get in touch with your intuition. Get in touch with your consciousness. Become more aware of yourself through meditation. And it doesn't take long. Right. You can do it for five minutes a day. Just set a timer when you wake up.

Yeah. You probably do – anybody can do anything for five minutes. Totally. You just have to make yourself do it. You just have to make yourself do it. That's the hardest part. It's like getting back to the gym that first day. But then once you do, you get on a roll.

It's just like – Yeah. You just have to do it. That first one. And it helps to like set – do it at the same time every day if you can, like right when you wake up. It helps to have a space, a container. Yeah. You just have to do it. That first one. And it helps to like set, do it at the same time every day if you can, like right when you wake up. It helps to have a space, a container. Yeah.

Containers are like very good, especially for water. Yeah. Water girl over here. Yeah. You need the container. You need the space. No. You tell me I need a container and change my life because now I know what to manifest.

Right? And you need to create the container for yourself to create a space. Yeah. Space for yourself to sit with your feelings. Same thing with meditation. You know, there are beautiful meditation cushions out there. Get a great meditation cushion. Get some crystals, quartz crystal.

You know, buy your meditation pillow. Set it up. Set up the container so you have it. And then that makes it easier to just sit down, five minutes, done. Yeah. It's one of those things I talk about all the time and I just haven't started it. I need to do it. Yeah.

It's a perfect time. It is. The new moon was yesterday. It's about time to start a new one. Yeah. Definitely. All right. Last question.

Okay. So we live in a world that seems to just prompt more and more stress every day, especially Billy and I's world, which is not a normal way of life. Filming something, then watching it, reliving it, see what everyone says about you because of it. It's just there's nothing normal about what we do. So what would you say are some tips for people, either us or just on a normal, average, everyday basis

to relieve stress and find their center. Because for me, I'll go to a spa and get a massage. That's my decompressing. That's what works for me. But is there something you would recommend? Meditation. Other than meditation? Okay.

I figured I was going to come back to that. But I was going to be like, no, girl, go to the spa. That's amazing. But meditate at the spa. All right, I get it. I'll meditate. Yeah. It's life-changing. That's amazing. But meditate at the spa. All right. I get it. I'll meditate. Yeah.

It's life-changing. It really is. It's life-changing. It's a powerful tool, I think. And it's one of those things that's like putting pennies in the savings account. You put a couple pennies in a day, and in 10 years, you're like, oh, I can buy a house. And it's not going to take away all your stress. It's not going to solve all your problems.

It's just going to allow you to deal with them a little bit calmer. Definitely. And non-reactive. Yeah. So it allows you to become more non-reactive. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I used to always be like, I would just, I love eating, especially if I eat an

edible. I have the munchies. I'll just go around my house eating all day long. And I don't really think about what I'm doing. And then all of a sudden I started meditating. I did a workshop and I meditated for like six months straight. And every thought was just like I could literally be like, no, I don't want that snack right now. Like everything was just slow motion and I had control over my thoughts, which was so powerful.

Because if we can control our thoughts, then we can control ourselves. It gives you space. Yeah. It gives you space in between the stimuli, the thing happening and your reaction. And it gives you time to form a new reaction because most of the time we're reacting from conditioned patterns, from our subconscious mind, from familiar, from learned responses that we learned when we were kids. Yeah.

And we're still applying them today to the same events. It's like we're not kids anymore. We're in a totally different situation. Yeah. And so meditation gives you that space to form a new reaction. It allows you to reprogram yourself. I think I need that in my life. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, redesign yourself. Definitely. This has been so informative and so cool. I love it. Thanks, guys. Thank you for joining me billy yes and jill everyone check out her website get her workbooks spiritdaughter.com

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