Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Keeping it Real with Rachel O'Brien

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

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This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now, here's your host, Sheena Shea. And we're back. More Shenanigans. Usually, I would like to do a girlfriend's episode of drinking and podcasting, but it's technically noon on a Wednesday, so we're going to be responsible and just get into some sober Shenenanigans. We have Janet Kohostein.

Hi. And you guys have definitely seen her on Vanderpump Rules and on stage at, like, every comedy club in Los Angeles and across the country. Miss Rachel O'Brien. Hello. How are you? I'm wonderful. I'm glad we're finally doing this. I know.

Isn't it so sad that we're getting so much older that like there's no appeal to me about drinking at noon? I'm like like I'm really happy we're not. Yeah. I did have an Aperol spritz yesterday at about 2 p.m. That's getting into the like that's almost happy hour. Some happy hours start at 3 p.m.

But that was like all I had yesterday. So a noon wine can definitely ruin the day now. Yeah. Absolutely. Like that used to be a regular thing. Like Katie and Stassi and Kristen and I or just Stassi and I. Like we would go to the Grove and have lunch and we would start drinking at the time.

I'm like, what was I doing? La Piazza. Yeah. Why? I know. I've definitely been there. You did it too. I did that too. Yeah.

I mean, I lived across the street from the Grove. So it was so easy to just walk over and start drinking during the day. Why did we do that? I don't know. I mean, I lived across the street from the Grove, so it was so easy to just walk over and start drinking during the day. Why did we do that? I don't know. I mean, Stassi still does. You watch her Insta story? True.

Aperol spritz for breakfast. Well, because she found Bo, who likes to do that equally as much. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So have you known Bo for a long time, or was it just Kristen and Katie who have known him

forever? I had only met him once at Kristen and Carter got like a hotel room somewhere like at the London. Oh no I remember that like the Petit Meritage or whatever. Excuse me. Bless you. Are you allergic to us Rachel?

No but I think I do have allergies in general. Could never be allergic to you. I met him once there and I remember thinking he was really funny and i was like in no mood to be funny myself and i was like he's outshining me i was so irritated i was like this is that's my job i could see beau doing stand-up i could too did somebody else am i right or wrong or thinking of somebody else did he go on a date with someone else like 10 years ago or something no him and krist Kristen did a movie together and they made out in it.

Okay, that's what I'm thinking of. And Carter and Katie had slept together before. That's what you're confusing. It's a very incestuous group of friends. Yeah, as you say, like nobody can just have one person. Except for you. I'm the only person who hasn't slept with anyone in this group. That's pretty impressive.

Very proud of that. No cast members. Yeah, I mean, everyone else has slept with Jax or, you know. I mean, I'm not proud of that. I don't even think it counts. It's been so long. long it's like bankruptcy it like cancels out after seven years date or did you just like oh no we dated rachel uh we dated for like a little over a year okay but i was like when i first saw britney at jack's house for the first time um i was i like whispered to kristen i was like stassi and i used to pay his rent

and now he owns this like two million dollar home i'm like look at times have changed that's funny i has i wait i was like his house is gorgeous i haven't been in his i've been in katie and tom they look very similar literally they're the same the backyard's different yeah i think jacks and britney have a bigger backyard yeah but it's just like they're all the houses like the upstairs are different to me too. But they all look pretty similar. I feel like it's the same developer. Yeah.

Are Tom and Ariana's, is it the same? Theirs is bigger than both of them. They have five bedrooms. Yeah. Why? So I think, honestly, I think they're all closets. I think they're all Tom Sandoval's clothing. They have one that's going to be their social media room

where they can do shoots and products and stuff like that for their book or whatever. Then I think they'll have a guest bedroom. They have their bedroom. I think Tom's making one room into a bar area. I don't know. They're doing all of this shit. It's like MTV Cribs. Literally, I can't wait to see when their

house is done because they don't have furniture still. Are they going to have a housewarming party? I need to see it eventually. I think they're trying to get it all set up because everybody else bought their house furnished, right? Yeah. So they actually have to like pick stuff out. Yeah.

But they didn't like their staging furniture. Okay. Which I mean, I kept like what? Maybe a quarter of my staging furniture. Yeah. Your living room stuff. That's what you said. Yeah.

I love your house. It's amazing. It's great. You have your own room there. I know. Yeah. I fought yeah i fought for janet's room i have bunk beds in my room now oh my god that's hilarious have arrived i'm gonna have the best slumber parties in there yeah so i have a place to pass out though yeah you're more than welcome to see because your house is like 30 minutes from my parents house in the desert and like if i ever like went to like and was like drinking at your house and didn't uber like yeah yeah yeah totally there we go yeah so we're doing a party out there

next week for the fourth of july oh fun oh i will be there okay that's over the weekend um no we're gonna on fourth yeah um my parents fly in la on the fifth but maybe yeah well and then i'm going there earlier yeah um but by the time this is out the fourth will be over and yeah isn't that so weird i do that on my podcast i'm like see me at the irvine improv tonight i'm like oh no that's well whatever i just say it anyways i was still there what's your favorite venue to do comedy at in like la and oc uh in la probably damn the improv or the comedy store yeah um the irvine improv which i just did last night, is awesome. It's gigantic.

It's at that gigantic, huge, rich person mall in Irvine. Have you ever been there? Oh, the Spectrum? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's the biggest mall ever. It's very easy to get lost in. Very fancy.

Is that the one with the Ferris wheel or is that a different one? I didn't notice, but that could be a different wing of the mall that I didn't see. Yeah. I think there's two in Irvine. There's the Spect and then there's a i'm even thinking of orange oh you're maybe thinking fashion island no there's fashion island and i'm just i'm just throwing out words now i don't know that's newport um i can't think interesting and then there's south coast plaza there's so many in oc oh my god do guys, did you guys listen to or know about the Dirty John podcast or TV show? I keep hearing about this. The show was on Bravo and I had

recorded it to start watching and my DVR crashed. Okay. And I just got so angry at every show that was recorded on there. I was like, I'm not watching any of these on demand because then you have to watch commercials. And so I i never watched it but i heard the podcast is amazing yeah it's it's terrifying i got super into it and then i watched the show and i just and she's now my friend i just had the girl tara newell who spoiler like if you're not gonna watch it there's a murder that happens and she she's the one that kills him um and now she's my friend and she came to my show last night i just love that. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. It's insane. Her story's crazy. Yeah. That's so fun. So the John guy's like a fraud and con man type, right?

Who dated her mom and her mom is like this really wealthy interior designer. Oh, okay. And he conned her, made her think he loved her and all this stuff. Interesting. But he was doing it to like, he's done it to like several other women. And then, spoiler alert, he tried to kill her daughter. Whoa. But she fought back.

That's awesome. I love a good murder podcast. Did you listen to the podcast and watch the show? Mm-hmm. Which is better? I don't know. They're a little different. Yeah.

I mean, I was so shocked by the podcast the whole time. I listened to it in a matter of two days. So I think by the time I saw the show, I was like, well, I already know the story. Right. But Connie Britton and Eric Banner are very good in good in it yeah it's like reading a book and then watching the movie yeah gotcha that was me in twilight it was like the only book series i finished i hate reading like i think i'm on chapter like seven of stassi's book maybe but then i kind of skipped to the witches of weho chapter because oh my god that's the chapter

about us i literally had like just skimmed for my name yeah i'm like oh there it is okay yeah this looks interesting there yep there it is again but i'm i brought it with me today actually because i have a laser appointment after this and i just have to lay there for like an hour and get my legs lasered i'm like i can do some reading i can catch up instead of just wasting my phone battery i want to get laser so bad but i just am too lazy to like follow up on things like that. Literally, Rachel, it is every six weeks, one day, like less than an hour every six weeks.

Oh, that's not bad. You can easily do that. I wouldn't do it. And you just like pick a part of your body and like focus on that for a while. Yeah. So shout out to LaserAway. They've been amazing for the last two years. I've gone every six weeks and i started

with just underarm and bikini and that's been two years so that doesn't even like grow back at all anymore but every time i go so now i'm doing my legs and when i go i'm like yeah you may as well still like zap me like underarm and bikini because then it just like is dead dead inside and never comes back are they gonna find out that you're actually like also killing like good cells in your body when you do that makes me nervous i mean you're like whatever i do worse things to myself i mean yeah like you know you should always wear sunscreen but do you always i do yeah but i don't think it works this is why i'm aggressively tan right now because i when i was in the desert last weekend i wore sunscreen and i was only out for well i was out for like four or five hours one day, but I kept putting on sunscreen and I

just, I guess it just blocks you from burning, but it does not block you from turning your skin into like leather. I feel like I have like leather skin. It's also, it's like 120 degrees in Palm Springs lately. And then the sun, the UV index literally was 10 the last time we were there. So does it get stronger if it's hotter? Is that what that implies? I feel like it does.

I don't know. I don't know why that would work. I don't know. Huh. But I definitely – I feel like a combo of it. We're not scientists here. No.

I just sweat it off, you know, and it just like – I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I always like spray it on, but then there was a time – oh, in Vegas this weekend, we were at Dre's at the pool party and I didn't bring sunscreen. I brought a tiny little like carry on bag. And we're usually in a cabana in the shade, but we ended up being behind the DJ booth and then up at the DJ booth instead. And part of that was not shaded.

So I'm standing there in like 105 degrees and I was like, oh my God, I don't have sunscreen on. It's like one of those things you should always do, but you don't. Yeah. But I definitely got color, whether it was Vegasgas or palm springs and i'm getting a spray tan later and laser so when you have laser you can't have a spray tan for the last like two weeks and my legs feel so tan right now i'm like i was scrubbing them this morning i was like wait is this spray tan or did i get real tan you got a real tan i think i got real tan i haven't been real tan in like two years

just because you're trying to like not age yourself or you're smart you're smarter than i am yeah a little bit of that a little bit of that um last year i was living in vegas and i was working so much that i just didn't have time really to lay out last year i also think when it's like so readily at your disposal you're like i'm in vegas i could go out at any time you're kind of like just get sick of it you're like totally and now my friend carly who owns glow boss she comes to my apartment and spray tans me so it's amazing it's so convenient that i'm like okay 10 minute spray tan is way easier than hours and hours of laying out and you're not going to age yourself like i'm i've never had to spray tan though yeah i they don't

look good on me they turn me into a pumpkin i think you might be getting the wrong one because i feel like i got a real orange one, even with her. Yeah, but our skin tone is so different. I'm all of your fair. And if you get the same tan as me, you are going to look like a fucking bitch. Whatever they did before Australia, I was like really, really tan for. I love being super tan. I do too.

Like for the MTV Awards a couple weeks ago, I did a neon yellow, green highlighter blazer dress. So I was like, I have to be super tan it can't be pale and we're neon so i was like make me as dark as you can and i thought it looked great and then my mom was like oh my god did you see all the comments you look like what did what did they say mob wives or like something and i don't you love moms for that you're like mom maybe i wouldn't have seen the mean comments why are you bringing attention i had to actually tell my mom you can please do not do that just because you're on the internet more than me and you see these comments don't inform me completely i probably wouldn't have seen them and i never saw any of those comments i didn't read the comments on the pictures i posted like i'll look at the

top 10 because that's usually the people who i follow those are like my friends they're always positive and then once i see the first negative one i'm like and i'm done yeah and we don't know yeah i don't need to live in that world but she was like well i mean you were really i'm like that was the point was to be super tan it's like beginning of summer i was wearing neon yeah like i didn't know people were talking shit about it but thanks for letting me know i thought it was cute i liked it i loved it i loved it too someone i had i've only had one person comment something mean to me on the internet, I think, so far. Oh, saddle up, partner. I know, right? Yeah, get ready.

There was a picture, I think, that Ariana posted of Raquel and I and her at Coachella. And someone said, I don't know who that girl is on the right, but she looks like if Stassi and Jax had a baby. And I was like... That's not even that mean. Half an insult, half a compliment. Yeah, I was like, they're both attractive people. That's really not... I don't want to look like a man.

And you look young. Stassi, I'm like both attractive people that's really not i don't want to look like a man and stassi i'm like oh that's great she's gorgeous but all humans came from a man i know but i was like to look like a guy friend i'm like i don't know about that i hated it yeah i don't think i think that's actually not that bad if that's your worst one you're doing pretty good they are both good looking yes yes you know i mean well i mean britney and stassi look nothing alike, but I was going to say maybe Jax and Brittany's kids will grow up and look like you. Maybe. Yeah.

You actually look more like Brittany than you do Stassi to me. You think? Kind of. I'll take both of those as complications. I don't know. I don't think you really look like either. Maybe you look like if Brittany and Stassi had a baby. Ooh, I'll definitely take that one.

You know, maybe that's what they meant. Not Jax. They meant Brittany. People used to say Brittany and I looked alike, but I don't think we really do. I could see it a little. A little bit, maybe. I think sometimes, like, Kristen and I look alike. Like, when she puts her extensions in and does her makeup a certain way, I'm like...

Sort of. Yeah, I could see that. There's been certain, like, photos, like, from photo shoots that she's done. You guys just have such different shaped faces. Completely. But I think, like, when I'm i'm like in my skinniest because she's like she's so thin that i feel like when my face is thinner like we have more similarities but then i also see photos you're not super thin you crazy person well no i gained some weight back in my

cheeks and i feel my face now yeah so it's not i feel my face well chris is just so lanky so everything is like yeah like got that like jana they're like the supermodel bodies it's like what why what deal did you make with the devil honestly why do you get the expense of not being able to dance in public you'll see it the way i can't dance in public either but i'm still not tall and skinny i i i don't know i feel like i literally it's like dangerous for me to dance in public because i might hit someone with one of my limbs you and kristen both do you were explaining what is the thing yeah like the car dealership. That's totally them. When Kristen and I dance, it looks like we're selling used cars.

I have boomerangs of Janet doing her windsock dance. That's really funny. So Kristen. I'm getting excited for the wedding. Also me too. I know. And again, by the time we're listening, it will have aired. So I can't wait to talk about it on the next one.

Janet and I are going to go live from Kentucky. Oh, nice. Obviously not give away any spoilers, but I'm like I can't wait for that. She's going on vacation after. She's leaving me for like three weeks. She's like going to Ohio and then she's going to Tulum and like I have to work so I can't go.

So I'm like, okay, we're going to have to podcast live from Kentucky. Not live from Kentucky, but live from Versailles, Kentucky. Versailles. I just love that so much. It is not Versailles. Oh, I know. It's Versailles. It's Versailles. I love it so much. Yeah, I, when I went with Brittany a couple years ago,

her and I, like, and the only time Brittany and I were both single at the same time, it was right after Rob and I broke up. Dorman, sorry, I don't like saying his name on my show. And her... Do you, like, hate him? Yes. like hate him yes oh i didn't hate is a strong word rachel that we don't like to use here at shanigans do i strongly despise and dislike him absolutely i'm glad you're not with him you were a different person the only time i ever was really around you guys together tell me about it was a barbecue at his house and i was like i've never seen sheena be so

insecure before like it was like it was like you weren't even yourself i was like he's really making her feel a certain way that is like weirding me out again let's talk about something so i was saying this yesterday um my friend devon who was just on this season of the bachelorette he's gonna be here in a few weeks with one of the other guys. Can't say who because then you'll know that he doesn't win. We actually don't know who wins, but we know it's down to two. Anyway, so I'm with him and my friend Natalie

who does my hair. Went to Elefante, had a drink, had some lunch, and we were just talking about past relationships and whatnot, and I was saying, the whole time I was with Shay, I was never insecure about anything. Like, he really, I mean, he obviously had his demons and his personal, like, things that he struggled with. But he really did make me feel like I was the most gorgeous, amazing person in the entire world.

And I loved that about him. Like, I mean, we, like, high-key worshipped each other. There were just a lot of things that you know we couldn't stay together for but um with doorman i never have felt so insecure my entire life yeah like there were so many things that i was like oh my god like are my boobs too small like is it this is it that like i just like always like thought there was something wrong with me and he would always say like he was like stressed with work and he was like no like i'm trying to start a company and i have this and i'm like what guy doesn't want morning sex like who doesn't oh is that so that's what would make you insecure is like he just wasn't

like yeah all over you or would he say mean stuff like critical stuff oh i just don't like kissing it's like whoa what never make out with me rachel never what yeah it's like people don't i mean maybe there are people that just don't like kissing. He's like treating you like a hooker. I mean, low key, yeah. But I wasn't getting paid. I was just don't like kissing. Yeah.

So there was a one night, I remember specifically, it was about two months into us dating, two or three months in, and he was a doorman still, a liaison. And I went that night with a couple of my friends. With about 12 roommates, by the way. Yeah. So I'm at liaison. I had a few drinks because I knew he was driving me home at night. And that was one of the very few good things about him was anytime I wanted to just let loose and get drunk, he was so – always just made sure I was fully taken care of.

Where I didn't have that with Shay because I was always taking care of him. Like I could never get drunk because then he would get drunk and then we're just drunk together. Yeah. And so somebody has to be able to hold the hair. Yeah, absolutely. So I really appreciated that. But so this was, I think the first time I had really gotten drunk.

This is the number one thing I liked about it. There are very few things I can recall that were like good. This was one of them. I think I can. The other thing was like something he did nice for my birthday when he surprised me and had like my friends come to dinner. That was it. Everything else was shit.

But so that night we get back to my place and I'm wasted and I don't get very drunk often. But when I do, I'm a very open and honest and I was just like feeling fr my place and I'm wasted and I don't get very drunk often but when I do I'm very open and honest and I was just like feeling frisky and I like started to kiss him and then I was like we never make out what's wrong with you like I didn't realize for three months that like we had really never made out and I'm like I guess I'm not a big kisser at the time because I had been with Shay for so long and after you're with someone for a long time, I mean, the spark kind of died a little bit, like in the bedroom, like we weren't making out all the time.

Yeah. So I just like forgot what it was like to make out with someone. And then when he started dating Rob, you know, we kind of just, doorman, sorry. We just like went right to it and just skipped all the other steps, which also I'm like, can you like go down on me? Like, you know, what, what is this? Yeah. Like the early making out is like so canceled. Yeah. steps which also i'm like can you like go down on me like yeah what what is this yeah like the

early making out is like so canceled yeah so i didn't even realize it until that night and he was just like yeah i'm just not a big kisser and i was like oh okay no big deal i guess i'm not either but then you're like i will change everything about myself to fit right and then as the months went on i was like wait i kind of like i'm attracted to you like i i really like i just like want to make out and like he never would and then you know we started filming and then it was like i told him i loved him like he the first time he said it in his sleep one night he could never say things like out loud and have feelings but there was one night he like fell asleep and like said it and i was like okay does this count i'm like wait a second do I tell him and I so the next day I was like do you know you talk in your sleep and he's like oh

god what did I say I was like I mean it was nice like it was nothing bad just like you said it and this was like three weeks in and we had like a past and yeah so I was like you know I mean it was super soon but I was like I mean I'm not gonna say that shit back like I'm not gonna be like wake up I'm like do you know what you just said to me? I love you too. The first thing he opens his eyes, I love you too. And he's like, what? So like the first time I said it was like right before we were falling asleep. Like after he had like a big premiere party and I was like, this is the night.

And I was like, I got to just say it. And he said it back, but it was like awkward. And then we start filming. And then I like watch back like six months later, him saying all these like, oh, oh you know like i don't like to throw the love word around like it's just not something i say and like i like if i say i was just like oh my god red flag number 172 like why did no one shake me i don't convince it yeah i feel like master manipulator i think you just really liked him or you really what you like the idea of him. Yeah, I just was so like this has to work my divorce. Like I marriage failed.

I got divorced. This has to work like I can't fail another relationship. So it was like I felt like I was just willing to do whatever I could to make him just want me and it was pathetic. I think that that's kind of a common thing that people do. Like, I think that like, I mean, I don't know. I think you just kind of like, you don't want to fail. Right. Because you feel like you care more about what other people think of you.

Yeah. And like, you're like, I've said that this is probably the one because we had this past. And like, and then you're just like, fuck, I gotta, can't go back on it now. Once you've spent that much time with that person, then it's like, well, I've already like spent a year. So I don't want to like, well, yeah. And now it's like from square one all over again totally i feel like no matter who i date next it's like no one will believe anything i say about them but i'm like here's the thing

like if i'm dating someone i do think they're like the best person because i think that's what i deserve so yeah did i put shay on a pedestal totally because he i married him he made me feel so special every day. He literally would give me a massage every single day. Like, he was the sweetest husband. That's really cute. But that's also, like, a thing that addicts do is to hide, like, their demons. Yeah, yeah.

They try and do, like, other things for you to make you feel good because they feel bad that they're, like, doing this stuff behind your back. Totally. So, I mean, I didn't know that at the time. But then, you know, when I started dating Dorman and I would tell Lisaisa i'm like no no no like you have no idea like he's like you said that about shay and i'm like well obviously because you're allowed to say that about the people that you're with that's who but i'm like now i'm like and then so when i was you know i

mean not that adam and i were ever dating but when we had that like nine month hang and bang i was like i can't even say anything like good about him because i'll be like you said that about everyone and i'm like yeah but it was just with him it was different because Adam and I were friends who like fell into bed together and it was different but I'm like no no no but it's different with him and they're like you say it's different with everyone

I was like I'm done talking about anyone I'm just going to keep it to myself and then there was like the month of Max and I was just like the month of Max okay that is a new term i'm gonna start using during the month of max i was just like i instead of like talking him up because i mean which you'll you'll see things with him and i whatever wait on the show um i mean maybe maybe um but there were so many messages that he sent

me when we were dating that i have read aloud to him oh you were telling me about this yeah so instead of me like talking him out because i was like no one's gonna believe me that this guy's amazing because i mean after the month of max was done he was not amazing but now we're great friends and that's as much as we should ever be but i just like would show like stassi was like oh oh this guy like you seem so head over heels for him i'm like no you don't understand i'm like no one has ever spoken to me this way and she's like what do you i'm like no like in a positive way and i would show her like all of the texts that he sent me because i'm like i'm not fucking crazy like this guy is saying things to me that my husband never said that rob never said that like no guy has ever said don't you think that's kind of a red flag though when someone

in my experience now i mean absolutely yeah in my experience now now jacks is a wonderful person like with britney and like they're great but like the only like bad relationships i've been in where the guy ended up cheating on me or something were guys that poured it on real heavy right away and I feel like that's like that's like my barometer of like a red flag where I'm just like it's too much you don't you don't know me well enough to say you want to marry me or something like we've known each other for two months like no don't tell me you want me to convert to Judaism you weirdo you don't know me right like and there was such a red flag and he cheated on me too but yeah see and that probably would, if Max and I kept dating, like, I'm sure that would not have ended as it didn't end well.

But we were able to become friends again. And now he's, like, one of my favorite people to hang out with. Like, but I just know we're just friends. Yeah. But, wait, what was I going to say about? Oh, but, I mean, at the time, to go from, like, Adam, like, not wanting to commit and, like, that just being a shit show of like yelling at each other and being angry that I went on a date with someone

else to have someone like be so obsessed with me. I was like, Oh my God, this is like amazing. I'm not used to this. What is this? Now? Any other guy who says those things to me?

I'm like, I feel bad because I'm like, you know what? Maybe you're being genuine and maybe you mean it, but Max fucked that up for you. So I'm sorry, you know what? Maybe you're being genuine. Yeah. And maybe you mean it. But Max fucked that up. Yeah. For you. So I'm sorry.

And sometimes they are being genuine. But I feel like you need to like just let that play out. Don't just believe. Yeah. Don't believe everything they say right away. Because it's like, how many other girls have you said this to? Exactly. Exactly.

And I found out that things Max said to me, he's also said to many other women. Yes. So I'm like, this is. Perhaps at the same time. No, but listen. Get this. He goes, but with you, I meant it. it oh that's hilarious i'm done no i'm dead it is so hard though to not like it feels good for someone to like say all those things to you and i'm such a sucker for like oh you like me a lot great i like me too perfect we get along like this is like like yeah i just but it's hard because you want to believe it, but it's usually not that true.

Uh-huh. Right away. Yeah. So, you know, lessons learned. Don't date fuckboys. How do you know if they are, though? Well, if they're in their 20s, they probably are. Yeah.

Don't date anyone in their 20s. We're too old for that. No. Fuckboys just need to be friends or just, you know, a hang and bang. Like, take them for what they are. Hang and bang. They're fun to sleep with. Month of max. Hang and bang. I love take them for what they are. They're fun to sleep with. Month of Max hang and bang.

I love these. Hot to look at. Yeah. You need to make some shenanigans merch with these terms on it. You should. Month of Max. Month of Max and hang and bang. I'm going to write these down.

Wait, should we do shenanigans merch? You so should. I mean, I did. There was a company who reached out, but I was like, I mean, what would we sell? But if I'm like funny, like saying that we have. Some of the funny sayings that you guys say. The hang and bang. Hang and bang.

That, I mean. Podcasting and drinking, whatever the other ones are. Drinking and podcasting. Yeah. I definitely, I think, have coined the term hang and bang. I've never heard anyone else say that. I like it. But.

It sounds like wake and bake to me. Yeah. It's so much better than fuck buddy too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. That's a lot more aggressive.

Hang and bang is like, we like, you know, get along sometimes. I think you need to make a hang and bang shirt. I do. More so than a month of Max because that one's like too specific. It's like Netflix and chill. Yeah. In between Netflix and chill and like a fuck buddy. Yeah.

Hang and bang. Exactly. It's so much cuter and lighter. I'm like, no, like we're not dating. We're just like hang and banging. But then I'm like, okay, so we're all single in here now. Yeah. So let's talk dating.

Okay. So we're all single in here now. Yeah. So let's talk dating. Okay. I've gotten into arguments recently with people who don't know the difference between seeing someone, dating someone exclusive, boyfriend, girlfriend. Okay. So I want to ask your opinion.

Okay. So in the month of Max, we were exclusive, meaning we weren't sleeping with anyone else. He was not my boyfriend. Had you guys discussed that? That we were exclusive. Uh- else. He was not my boyfriend. Had you guys discussed that? That we were exclusive. Uh-huh. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. After like the first week when we realized like we both really liked each other, I was like, okay, maybe this is going somewhere. It was also the holidays. Like he spent Thanksgiving with me. And so it was like around that time, things were moving really quick. Because that was the cuffing season. Yeah.

I mean, it was just, it was the holidays. Like. Would you call it huffing season? Cuffing season. Cuffing. Cuffing. No, but usually people break up around the i just learned this recently i've never heard that before yeah and around the holidays when you want a boyfriend to like snuggle with oh yeah but also

around the holidays um specifically christmas and valentine's day are the highest rated like breakup times because people want to save money on presents exactly cheap asses yeah high stress you have like people's families around. That sucks. Yeah. Yeah. But wait, where was I going with this? So you guys were exclusive. Oh, right. Okay. So the difference. And you talked about it like up to the first week?

Yeah. Like we just, because we just, we hit it off so quickly that it just felt like it was like zero to a hundred and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. He used the D word before I did. I just thought we were hanging banging. And then we were, yeah, it was like our first like actual date and we were like dinner in a movie like very standard and i was just saying i was like god i'm just like so much older than you and he's like no he's like you're like one of like the youngest girls i've ever dated

and i was like you must date some old bitches yeah 33 you're 26 which red flag numero uno yeah but i was like wait dating he was like yeah like we're dating i was like okay i mean they didn't want to use the term boyfriend and girlfriend so if you're exclusive and you're dating what is the difference i don't get that i don't know because i feel like dating i don't know the dating title is i don't know that dating means exclusive so then i feel like dating just mean like because you can be dating a couple different people at the same time as i am right now yeah like i'm, I'm seeing someone. And they're, like, oh, so you're dating?

I'm, like, no, I mean, I'm seeing him tonight. Like, we go on dates. Like, we've, like, gone to events and, like, things together. Like, I'm seeing him. We're not dating. Yeah. Well, I feel like those words are interchangeable. I think dating and seeing each other are interchangeable.

Okay, so if you've had the conversation. I don't know. I just don't like the word dating. It freaks me out. If you've had a conversation. I just don't like the word dating. It freaks me out. If you've had the conversation about being exclusive, then to get to the boyfriend-girlfriend level, do you have to have another conversation after that? I think you still have to junior high ask to be boyfriend-girlfriend. Same as you do to get married.

I think you really need to be like, okay, so exclusive, like we're just not sleeping with other people or are we boyfriend-girlfriend? I think there's a difference. This is why I'm in a dialogue. I think sometimes like it would be kind of fun Like let's say you were really into the dude and you wanted him to be your boyfriend But you didn't want to have to have the talk how exciting it would be if you guys were just out and he was like Oh, this is my girlfriend Rachel. Yeah, that would be a fun way to find out Uh-huh see and that's actually how it happened with doorman was we had been like hanging out for like a month.

We were exclusive. We were not sleeping with other people, but he wasn't my boyfriend yet. And then it was New Year's Eve. We were a party at his house and this girl was just like giving me the death stare all night. And I'm like, is this like someone he used to be sleeping with? Like, I don't know why. And so I like pulled him aside and I'm like, yo, I don't know who this girl is, but like

I'm going to like say something to her if you don't, because she's making me very uncomfortable. And like, I'm here in your house, the house I'm staying in at your party. And he goes, he's like, it's probably just because she doesn't know I have a girlfriend. And I was like, excuse me, what did you just say? That's kind of fun. Yeah. But then it was like, he was drunk when he said it. And then the next day I was like, do I bring this up again?

And I gave it a couple of weeks because I was like do i bring this up again and i gave it so many of these situations i gave it a couple weeks because i was like is he my boyfriend like i don't know and in those like two weeks like i was like i can i like still make out with this guy like i think it but then i i waited until he got back from a trip he was on with his friends and i was like okay i just need to like ask you like Like are you – like because I don't know. Like it's confusing. That could also go the other way where like you – it would freak you out. Someone was like, this is my girlfriend. You're like, we didn't – no.

We didn't talk about that. Yeah. That is not in the contract. We are not at that level yet. I mean with your last relationship, how did you guys become boyfriend-girlfriend? I think like from the get-go, he was like, I want to date you. And I was like single and going through my divorce. So I was like – So you just like he was like I want to date you and I was like you know single and going through my divorce so I was like you just like a little bit and then we went on a couple

dates and then then after yeah after like a little while I was like okay this is like working you can call me your girlfriend now that's cute interesting well it was do you ever what do you ever feel like though when you date a lot of people or like you've been single long enough and you kind of like you know we're seeing a bunch of people at the same time or like you've just gone on so many dates that like i have become numb i think where i'm just like i don't know if i like anyone like everyone's running together where i'm like i don't yeah like i sang to her this weekend i was like nobody makes my vagina tingle anymore. I know.

I miss that feeling. It makes me feel sad. I feel like I have no soul. And I will say that to guys, honestly. Like, or I'm just like, I don't. I actually was on a date with someone fairly recently. And it was like right after we kissed or whatever. And I was like, do you actually like me?

Or I just sort of like say those weird stuff. But I was like, because I can't tell if I like you or not. Like, I don't really know anymore. And I was also like, because I feel like also if you're good at dating you can kind of make anyone sort of like oh that makes sense like I don't know if they actually like me you know what I mean or just like my fun little performance I know how to put on dates my first date performance yeah yeah I I don't know but I feel like like right now I I've almost, oh my God, my two-year single anniversary is coming up in August.

You guys, let's have a party. That is a good, two years is a good amount. Yeah. Like, were you, I think I'm two and a half, almost three. No, two and a half. Yeah. And like, you feel real single. I do.

And it's like, yeah, there were like the Adam, like the dark days. There was the month of Max. Oh, I guess I had two very short-term boyfriends. But I'm saying. But those short-term boyfriends in the but i'm saying weren't even boyfriends like it was like i mean adam i mean we all saw how that played out yeah and then it continued until like freaking march yeah but um doorman wasn't two years ago was it yeah he broke up with me august 31st how long did you remember how long did you guys date um it was a little less than a year. Okay.

That was long enough for it to count. I mean, it counted because, I mean, our families, we vacationed together. Like, we also, like, him and I. Two families would go together? Uh-huh. Oh, that's serious. Yeah. No, like, our moms, like, still keep in touch.

And he was weird about, like, I don't understand him. He pretended he didn't want to film when he actually did. And he enjoyed the limelight but he then and you know enjoyed his 100k he got from me in every interview now so followers not money i was like what the hell oh my god that just freaked me out i was like did he like sue you or something no that was shea got the 100k money not followers well she deserved and i guess he was your husband i don't know you know i mean it was an amicable divorce and split but she's a sweet kid he is and i'm so glad that like you

will spend a couple times where we've almost met up with him for stuff no you will soon because now we're like on a good page where we're friends again and like it's not weird if i bring him around um i know he doesn't want like anything to do with the show. Yeah. I was going to say like, would you ever bring him to anything like that again? I mean, I definitely would. Like if he was open to it, like I would love to like have him come to Tom Tom and see everyone and do that. But I just know, I mean, the show was never for him.

He was never comfortable on it. I actually would have conversations with him about it sometimes because I remember the one time Lisa had said something really not nice to him on camera that was like real embarrassing. And I just remember he looked heartbroken after she walked away. And he was just sort of like, I don't think this is for me. He just didn't know. He didn't have the personality for it. But like when we first started dating and, you know, we're boyfriend, girlfriend, and the show started, we agreed to do it together.

We signed up to do the show together granted i was a cast member he wasn't so like that was technically my job but he was a part of my life and my life is my job my job is my life they intertwine like it's not one way or the other but after like the first season i mean that was like very easy for us and then it was like oh engaged married and then after that it just i think it just got really then it was like ooh engaged married and then after that it just I think it just got really hard it was like yeah all the like high like peak moments were done and then it was like okay now we're really married now we're really dealing with an addiction now we're really dealing with you texting this bitch behind my back now we're really dealing with the divorce

and then after that it was just like I couldn't see him ever really coming back he did film a scene with Tom and Tom season six it was in the extra like the lost footage or whatever it didn't make it on the show um but i never even brought myself to watch it because it just to see him on the show like after we like divorced without me i just like i couldn't watch that weird but i would love to bring him around more do you feel like now that you're single can you gauge when guys are dating you possibly to be on the show? Can you kind of suss that out? I feel like I can tell with guys around her immediately.

Really? And just people in general. Yeah. Yes and no. Because I am easily manipulated, quite gullible, naive, and very sweet. And just think that everyone's a good person and trust everyone. And I think everyone has good intentions. And every time I do that, I get screwed over. so I don't know why I'm still you need someone else around you that can see it then like where it's like but no matter what I'm

still the type of person Janet could tell me for nine months that Adam's no good for me he's never gonna commit I am I'm a tourist I'm stubborn and I need to learn things for myself I can't just listen to what other people say because what if you are wrong I need to figure that out yeah and that's when i was thinking that about doorman when you were like why did no one tell me i'm like i'm pretty sure you wouldn't have listened yeah i wouldn't have yeah even that was like the biggest thing with like adam like during because he was the person i was closest with like friend wise like out of all my guy friends when i was dating rob so i mean between him and janet like, they heard everything good and bad. And right when we broke up, I was like, Adam, why did you not shake me? He's like, Sheena, I tried.

Yeah. I tried. Like, there was no convincing you otherwise. Sometimes I think it's good to hear it from a guy friend because there can be, like, I know dudes, this is not cool what he's doing. Like, it's helpful to hear from a guy, I think. And even, like, I mean, it should have been. Or like your dad or something.

I ask my dad for guide advice all the time. And usually if my dad sees a red flag, I'm like, he's probably right. Yeah. And my dad did. But also like, doorman just put on such a show. And like for Father's Day, came over and installed an outdoor speaker system for my dad. Did he do it in seven minutes? He was kind of a cornball, that guy.

Such a cornball, right? Who uses that term? I would be like... I would be like 87, but he was. He was like a little cheesy. Yeah. Yeah, she would be like... I would be like, he's clearly like, you know,

these things are all red flags. And then we'd run into, you know, or we'd hang out with Rob, and he pulled me aside and would be like, no, I really have these feelings. I'm da-da-da. And I'd be like, wow, okay. He was so different. I'm wrong. So different on and off he was very convincing i i was fooled by a lot of a lot

of people were that was the thing where i'm like why didn't you shake me but i really think like adam and during the relationship adam was one of the only people who really saw those red flags and probably just because he is a guy and a guy who was afraid of commitment and saw things with i mean there was a reason that doorman's you know 39 and single yeah like there's no he's never lived with a girl really that's also red interesting interesting like he's all and he's also never lived alone always lived with a friend i hate roommates i know me too i haven't had a female roommate since like sophomore year in college i've had boyfriend in my own place for the first time ever living by myself. I went from my mom's house to the sorority house to my husband's

house. You're going to love it. And you're in a building where you know other people. I'm literally like two blocks away from you. I know. It's like Melrose Place. I just realized you are so close to me. Let's get lunch. A couple blocks. Absolutely. I was there last night for dinner.

Yeah, you guys live right by Adam too. Oh, yeah. He works it. Great. I'm really good at avoiding people, especially neighbors. Anyway. Did you actually want to be Adam's girlfriend? At the end of last summer, after I saw how he blew up about the date and hooking up with

Ethan, I was like, oh, wow. Okay. He actually has feelings. He actually does care. Let's see where this can go. And the next day, I am a big person with, like, handwritten, like, cards instead of just sending a text message or an email or something. I think it's so much more heartfelt.

And that was, like, Adam and I's thing. Like, he had written me letters and stuff before and so i had a very nice long written handwritten card went over to his house gave it to him and at the end of it i was like we're best friends like we're sleeping together we whether you want to admit it or not this is what dating is called granted you're not my boyfriend i get that but like why don't we just try yeah what do we what then we break up okay we're not going anywhere now yeah so i'm like why don't we just like give it a shot do we have? Then we break up. Okay. We're not going anywhere now. Yeah. So I'm like, why don't we just like give it a shot?

And if it doesn't work out, at least we know we tried. And he was just terrified of commitment and was just like, just didn't think that he could be what I deserved. And I was like, okay, then I guess I believe that though. Like, I feel like I doesn't feel like he's in like in a place in his life where he can like take you out, you know, and like really be like a man. Like, I feel like that's hard for a guy. Yeah. life where he can like take you out you know and like really be like a man like i feel like that's hard for a guy yeah i don't think that that's a lie and i mean we're four years apart i'm further in my career than he is and there were just a lot of factors

also very intimidating for guys like unless he's comfortable with like letting you like pay for everything like it's not it's like we like loved each other we were best friends i mean we still are good friends but it just it seemed like okay i mean don't you want to like marry your best friend one day i mean i did didn't work out well so then i was like okay red flag with adam like didn't work out the first time there were similarities good and bad that i saw between him and shay and i'm like okay i'm just like attracted to this type but i think that's kind of the dream is that you start out with someone as friends and then you know them you trust them so much because they're they were your friend before it's like that's kind of the greatest but I mean it didn't you know work out obviously and I was just like

okay then I guess we'll just keep doing this until one of us hurts each other and yeah we did and then there was the month of max and then I went back to Adam it was you did you did you did you did you did you did and there was like 15 of the Adam things back and forth and then I went back to Adam. No, it was, you did, you did, you did. You did, you did, you did. And there was like 15 of the Adam things back and forth and then it was the month of Max. Month of Max.

But the back and forth with Adam happened for a lot. Well, because after, when was the engagement party? That was in August. So between August and the month of Max, there were a few months

where I also did go on a date with another person again. And it was someone who I had known from my past but I um I guess I didn't make the mistake it was not really on purpose either but Adam and I were in my 370z and in that car I have apple carplay and he was driving and I knew my text messages were going to pop up on the screen but I didn't have them being read on the screen but I kind of just them being read on the screen. But I kind of just wanted him to know, like, there's another guy in my life.

There's someone else who's interested. Like, step up. Sly move. Shady, but like. No, I like it. You do what you got to do. So we're driving, and I'm not going to say this guy's name, but it was like, new text from da-da-da. And I just like dismissed it and was like, just pretending like it didn't come through. You're like, I love this song. So like, like a week later he asks me who this person was he saw that we follow each

other on social media he was stewing over and he's like did you sleep with him did you go on a date with him I'm like why do you care I asked you to be my boyfriend you said no you did not want to so like yes I'm still dating other people but then it was like so now there's two other people I've been with while with him but I'm like again we're not dating remember because you didn't want to but so in those like few months there were a lot of like up and down fights because it's like we were still sleeping together but I was like going on dates with other people and he wasn't I'm like you can I don't want you to it will hurt me if you do but like you say you don't care and then you care after i do it

yeah that's annoying that's unfair you can't do that and he got pretty roasted for it on social media like there was like yeah it's up you can't say you don't want someone and then be mad yeah like that's not fair right yeah that's not cool exactly people called him on it though yep but anyways um that that's a fun conversation about exes. So us all being single I know Janet is now back on dating apps. Which I'm already over. It took like three days before I had like I'm like this is too much.

That's what contributes to the everyone just running together type of thing where you're like I don't there's too many profiles and then I don't know who I like. Exactly. Are you on dating apps? Yeah but I haven't been using them lately. Which is your favorite? I was pretty good at using them for a while, and now I'm just over it. My favorite was probably Raya.

That was the one I used the most. I'm weight listed for Raya. I'm not cool enough yet. I don't understand. Well, don't talk about it on here because they will kick you off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, you're not on it yet, so you can't get kicked off yet.

They can kick you off yeah oh yeah well you're not on it yet kicked off yet they can kick me off but janet did um meet some interesting men on whatever date which one is it that you went on i like hinge i think that one i think it's visually appealing i like the way it's laid out and i feel like there's cute guys in there and the info i want to know about someone especially like like height job like and then they have a whole thing where it's like do you smoke weed do you there's something that's like other drugs yeah yeah whatever so i like seeing like all that up front who's fun and who's not basically yeah and just be able to like rule out like i smoke weed so like if somebody has like absolutely never for that i'm like okay that's probably not going to work out well mine for beyond mine says no for that for the smoking weed thing because i really

don't but like it doesn't who smokes weed but it doesn't not like a full but it doesn't bother me if someone does yeah i wonder if people are swiping no i want someone to know everyone swipes yeah we need some we need someone to smoke yeah yeah but speaking of jobs one of the guys you met works for true car oh yeah who is a great friend here at podcast one i was like oh hey i was like we freed yourself oh my god that's awesome but you know about True Car, right? Yeah. You actually told me about it the other day. Yeah.

So basically, for those of you who don't know, maybe you're just tuning in as if you haven't heard me talk about this a million times, but it is amazing. So if you go to True Car and you enter your license plate number, you can just watch your car's details pop up, answer a few questions like, you know, navigation, moonroof, high mileage, and you just watch as they bump up the value of your car. So if you knew what it was going to cost you, then you can figure out if you want to, you know, trade it in or get your cash offer. And it just takes minutes.

You can take it to a local certified dealer. And that's so cool. It's that easy. You could just get cash. You could just. What? Yeah. So you can just and you can find out online how much your car is worth by just putting in the details well that's what

well mine's a lease so this doesn't apply to me but but well mine's not yeah that's pretty cool i bought both of my cars i'm gonna have to sift through all of my messages yeah but i was like it had their occupation yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a true car card i was like hey i know that yeah i'm not on dating apps so i don't know like i just like how come you haven't tried him because honestly no but like we were saying i also just got a raya friend pass if you want it no okay um how do i know why such a hard no on that because i don't i don't know i don't need someone to tell me i'm cool enough to be on a dating app first of all i don't want to figure out what song defines me best. This song is my favorite part.

What is your song? I love my slideshow. It's a Dire Straits song, Sultan's A Swing. Okay. I like that. I do like that song a lot, but there's just like, I wouldn't know which vibe to go. Do I go Drake? Do I go classic rock? Do I go Elton John? It's just too much pressure. I think you go classic rock or Elton

John. It sets you apart. You know, I don't know. But the thing Do I go classic rock do I go Elton John like it's just a classic rock girl. Yeah, yeah, that's your part You know, I don't know but the thing is like we were saying earlier How do I know that someone's swiping right on me because they're genuinely interested in getting to know me Yeah, or because they want to bang me or because they want to get on Vanderpump Rules. Yeah, that's hard So that's why that's the main reason I'm not on them. I like meeting people the old-fashioned way I like I see that's why I'm not really doing the apps anymore because I really want to meet someone like that. Yeah, and I mean, I have.

The guys, oh, that sounds so bad. Any guys who I've dated or gone on dates with, it's like I either know from before, reconnected with someone, was introduced like a friend of a friend, work. I mean, Lisa, she has hot staff.

Yeah for sure. So I've definitely like dipped in the staff of Lisa's. That's her next show. She has a dating now. Like a Patty Stanger type show. I know Lisa's like can you stop shagging my whole staff. Stop hiring hot guys. I don't know.

This seems like a you problem not a me problem. Lisa who you have to turn in a headshot with your application to her restaurant it's like well stop doing that and she knows stop picking from that pond exactly but I mean are you working at them no basically somehow I get a discount an employee discount nice I don't know how or why but every one of the restaurants thinks I work at the other one I think you get the friends and family discount I don't think they think you're an employee somebody I don't know how or why, but every one of the restaurants thinks I work at the other one. I think you get the friends and family discount. I don't think they think you're an employee. Somebody, I don't know. They're also probably normally there with, you know, whenever I'm there. But even when she's not with me,

she's like, I got my employee discount. I'm like, it's a friends and family discount. Yeah, I think they might just do that. That's fine. Whatever it is, I'm not going to question it. I will take the 20% off. Thank you. Speaking of, I think we should go get our friends and family discount at Villa Blanca. Do you want to come get some lunch with us?

Sure. Let's do it. This has been fun. I'm glad we finally did this. Yes. Thank you for having me. And you're going to be on mine next. Yes.

So tell everyone where they can find you. Shout out your podcast. I'm going to be doing that as soon as we're back from Kentucky. We'll do a little recap on there too. My podcast is called Be Here for a while. And it's on all the places podcasts are. And then you can find me on social media at rachel n o'brien it reads like rachel no brian and rachel spelled r-a-c-h-a-e-l yep i like spelling it that way yeah i feel like i think i'm hard to find though on social media yeah because or i just or i just

tell myself that i'm like i'd have so many more followers but i really do like people will try to spell your name normal rachel people will try to. Yeah, spell your name normal, Rachel. People will try to look me up and they're like, I don't see you. You're not coming up on here. I'm like, just give me the phone. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right.

Well, this was fun. Thank you. This was so fun. We really got into it with the dating stuff. Let's go find some men in Villa Blanca. Yeah. And I do think the next time we do this, we should do a nighttime drinking and podcast. Yes.

Oh, I'm down. We'll do it. Let's do it in the desert. I think that'd be really fun to do it there. I was going to say, pollukering. Yeah. I'm just obsessed with the desert. I'm that'd be really fun to do a thing. I was going to say, pollukering. Yeah. I'm just obsessed with the desert. I'm so happy you got a place there.

It's awesome. Yeah, we did a fun drinking and podcasting with my dad on Father's Day. So cute. But it was so funny. My dad was so drunk. Like, we were a little late to the party. And so he started drinking early. You're all a little drunk.

But the next day he called and he apologized. He's like, I'm so sorry, Bean. I was so buzzed. Your parents call you Bean? Yeah. My parents call me Bean. We talked about this before. Oh, that's so cute. Yeah, but he's like, I feel so bad. He's like i'm so sorry bean i was so buzzed you're better call you bean yeah my parents call me bean we talked about this before oh that's so cute yeah but he's like i feel so bad he's like can we do it again and i was like dad i would love to do another podcast with you but he's like he like couldn't remember like some of the stories he was telling and he just like felt bad but i was like that was so entertaining i'm like it was it's called drinking and podcasting

for a reason we say dumb shit we get in trouble for it like not with podcast one but with our fans and followers yeah it's so cute i love it yeah like janet once said she likes when rich people get murdered and hey you know i got a lot of dms about that tweets i actually have never gotten worded wrong i was like what i meant is that on investigation discovery i like the shows like behind mansion walls more than like oh my god I'm already thrilled that you're into True Crime because it's my new obsession. Yes. I love it. All right.

Well, thanks for listening, guys. We will be back from Kentucky. For sales. Yeah. For sales. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans. Download new episodes every Tuesday and subscribe on the Podcast One app at PodcastOne.com or

at Apple Podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review the show on the Podcast One app at PodcastOne.com or at Apple Podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts. Looking fine and I got my girls with me. With the boys at the table getting tipsy. Miss me, kiss me one more time. Get over here, boy. I'm gonna make you mine. Do you want it?

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It was a crime no one expected and one many can't forget. 22 Hours, An American Nightmare, a new podcast from WTOP News and Podcast One, details the heinous murders of a D.C. power couple, their 10-year-old son, and housekeeper inside their own home. The complicated trail of evidence. She thinks she knows how Darren Wint got inside the house.

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