Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Loose Women

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

It’s a family affair this week as Scheana is joined by her mom and sister, along with family friend Denise Welch – British actress, panelist on ITV’s “Loose Women,” and the mother of The 1975’s lead singer (Scheana’s mom’s favorite band). Denise & Scheana detail the first time they met, which involved an Iranian princess getting pushed to the wayside. Which media outlet hacked Denise’s phone & bugged her hotel room? Whose side are they on in RHONJ: Jen or Danielle? Plus, the group (maybe) gets to the bottom of the generational divide on proper tampon disposal. Also, Denise reveals her favorite The 1975 song, but which one is about her bad back? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheana @scheananigansGuest: @denise_welchThe video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, June 28th.   Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Episode Sponsors:Upgrade your closet this summer with Quince. Right now, go to Quince.com/honey to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order.Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/summerhoney.Head to Smalls.com/GOODASGOLD and use promo code GOODASGOLD at checkout for 50% off your first order PLUS free shipping.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome back to Shenanigans. My mom and sister are here in the studio with me today. I've already gotten insulted by my sister for my hair. I just said if I was podcasting, I would have done my hair differently. That's all. Well, you know what? When I podcast, normally, as we all know, I wear a hat. And today I left my hat in the car. My husband drove the car home with my daughter. My mom picked me up. Here we are. It's fresh out of the shower. It's in a bun. So how would you have done my hair? There's just like a couple different bun options we could have went with. We could have went with like a part with like a low. Yeah, if I had product. And then, no, you didn't need product. And then you could do two little twisties and then twist them together.

I have one giant scrunchie. What's wrong with it, Courtney? I just, I wouldn't even consider that a bun these days. We don't need to get into it. Anywho, we are joined by a very special guest today from all the way across the pond. She is a national treasure. She's a star on screen, on stage, a best-selling author, a beloved television presenter, a media personality, my favorite loose woman. She is known by the fans of 1975 as Maddie's mom. Please welcome to the podcast, our dear friend Denise Welch. How are we doing? I'm so excited to be here. And I like your hair, Sheena. Thank you. Thank you. It was really I tried a high pony. And then I did, like, this messy bun, and I was like,

you know what? I have so much frizz today. It's literally just air dried. There's no heat on it. Just forget I said anything. I didn't say anything. Well, that's all I'm thinking about. It's called OCD, intrusive thoughts, and then things just loop in my head, and then I just

start thinking. But, you know what? I think Koso already said that her mom's a hypochondriac. I'm like, oh, wow. Wait, it must run in the family. I'm's a hypochondriac. I'm like, oh, wow. Wait, it must run in the family. I'm not a hypochondriac. I'm loving this. I might be sick, but I'm not a hypochondriac.

I think there's actually just always something wrong. Yeah, it's not even in her head. I don't go to the doctor that often. There's just always something wrong with her. I mean, hey. Is that true, Erica? There's always something wrong with you? And if there is, it doesn't stop me from doing my every single day-to-day

activity. You push through all your illnesses. I'm never one to just stay in bed. I get up. I do what I've got to do. But you let us know the entire time that you're doing it. What's wrong? I let them know, not just anybody. So yeah, that's probably true. That's probably true.

Hypochondria, yeah. I think that answers how we're doing today. We're great. So what brought you to LA? I'm so glad we got some time with you. We didn't get to see you last time. I know. Exactly.

So, well, I come here quite a lot, as you know, because we met probably about eight years ago. It was 2017 to be exact. 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26 years ago. I was with my ex-boyfriend. You were. You were with the television hanging guy. Yeah, that's right. I was with a man.

So, should I say, so, Matty, as Sheena said in the introduction, so my son Matty is the lead singer of the 1975. And I was at the Greek seeing him. And there were loads of, you know, there were quite lots of famous people around and, you know, everybody was sort of star spotting and having a great time. Anyway, I said to Matthew,

just come out for 10 minutes because I've got a bunch of friends here as well and I'm sort of having a drink backstage. And suddenly Matthew said he heard me shriek and I went, can I swear on here? Yes. I said, oh my fucking God. I said, oh my fucking God. I said, oh my fucking God,

there's Sheena from Vanderbilt. And I fought my way through this array of people. That's so funny. And apparently there was this sort of Iranian princess. She went to the side. She was so good. I did not know this. And I came straight over to you.

And it's really difficult. It's not difficult. It's not difficult. It's just because I'm obviously well-known and have been for a long time because I've been around a long time. I'm, you know, I'm 110. And so I sort of shrieked over. And you were just having a drink with television hanging guy Rob. Yes.

Rob. Yeah. And I just went, hi, Sheena. Hi, Sheena. You don't know me from a bar of soap, but I'm Maddie's mom. And then you told me that you'd come to the band because of your mom, Erica. Yes. So my mom and sister literally is their favorite band.

Yeah. And so I had heard songs when we'd be in the car just at the house. And I have to tell you now, at my new house, we have Sonos,os like this whole what is it called? Sound system sound system throughout the whole house. Every ceiling everywhere and 1975 radio is our go-to to play. We always are playing. I became a fan because of my mom and sister listening to their music and then when I started dating Rob he tells me one of his favorite bands is the 1975 he's like do you want to go see them and I was like I don't really know a ton of their songs. I've heard them.

But I'm like, I'm always down to go to a live show. And so we go that night and been a huge fan ever since. This mad woman comes over. And then you must have told mom. And then we started talking, didn't we? Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember. Was it on Twitter?

I don't remember. And then we've been friends ever since so it's kind of the the mutual appreciation society because I am as well as being a sort of you know actor and presenter at home if I was doing Mastermind which is this show where you have a specialist subject it would be Bravo I love that I love it everything Bravo which is literally teetering on an obsession. Yeah. So, you know, for me to be here today is better than any interviews I could do back in the UK. Oh, my gosh.

I'm obsessed. And Vanderpump Rules is, as you know, Sheena, one of my favorites. Well, thank you. Oh, my God. All right. Well, we do have some bravo stuff to get into so let's let's do a little vanderpump talk we said we were going to pause it when the season wrapped i know i thought we were but well well you know denise is here so well we did touch on

schwarzer's hair this is the things for me thank god he went back to the you know to the normal hair because like i was saying before we started rolling on this, it wasn't just the color. It was, it was like, you know, when people wear a bad wig, you know, and they just put on this wig or this syrup, as we call it at home. It was like that. And he's such a good looking guy. It was a shame. So I'm glad that he's reverted. And if I may go down the Ariana path. Sure. Okay. It's interesting that there seems to be an American and a British divide

on where the fans' loyalties go. This is what I found talking to, you know, because I just drag people out of cafes and say, you watch Fun and Pop Rules. I'm only joking. But I do like it when and my friend spencer and lubits i think you maybe once met at the hotel he is a pr for several bravo people so i obviously get the gossip from him but he was saying that the u.s seems to be predominantly team ariana sure whereas in UK, we are team you guys.

I wouldn't say necessarily team Tom particularly. Yeah. But certainly there is much more of an understanding about why people got a bit pissed off with Ariana. Well, speaking of Tom Sandoval, he is on Traitors this next season. How are we feeling about that? Oh my God.

Right. Traitors, another favorite. And I'm going to put this out here now. So we have Traitors UK, but we have it with regular non-celebrity players. And it's just, I think it's just the most brilliant concept, don't you? Our own Claudia Winkleman hosts it and she's brilliant. Blah, blah, blah. The Australian one I love. Is it only non-celebrities or is it a mix? No, it's non-celebrities. So is it only non-celebrities or is it a mix no it's non-celebrities so it's completely non-celebrities

by all accounts they are going to at some point do a celebrity version but my idea because

I love it here in LA because my son because Matty lives here now should I tell you he's got a place here so and he's got engaged

to a girl from Laguna Beach I'm excited for him she went up there yesterday without her to see her parents she's gorgeous you're just so cute oh my gosh she's cute and she's a lovely person so I'm very very thrilled and an OC girl so is Courtney yeah and so anyway because of those reasons come here a lot, but I'll be here more. I thought, oh my God, because Traitors U.S. always have a couple of Brits in it. Are you just putting it out there? I'm just putting it out there.

They have a couple of Brits in it. Now, obviously, actress and presenter is my job, but I am also, because everything is about reality television on the Traitors, I am the winner of Celebrity Big Brother. There you go. That's right. So that would be my, it doesn't matter that you're an actress, a presenter, whatever. I'm putting it out there that I would be ready and willing to,

I don't know how good I would be on Traitors because I'd probably cry a lot. Same. I would be just so sensitive. I know I would. Because, you know, on Traitors, it's that thing of nobody can choose who's going to be the traitor. We can't decide if Alan Cumming is going to tap you on the shoulder. But I don't understand that when it gets down to the nitty gritty, they're saying, how could you turn on me like that?

I trust you. It's like, what do you mean? It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. Yeah. The way that Mercedes was, the MJ from Shards of Sunset, which I also love.

It was so horrible at the end. She's a good friend as she knows. I know, I felt so bad. I felt so bad for her. But then watching the reunion, she has it in for those guys. And at the end of the day, you want to scream,

yeah, but MJ, they don't know you. They don't really have. Right. They don't they don't have to give you the money. Yeah. Because it is a game. But it must be very hard when you're in there. I can't imagine.

Well, I feel like on other shows, too, like I feel like on other shows, people realize it's a game even more like on Big Brother. I feel like when people have to make game decisions, it seems like people are a bit more understanding, like when they go outside and they did their little exit interview. They're always like, oh, it's a game even more. Like on Big Brother, I feel like when people have to make game decisions, it seems like people are a bit more understanding. Like when they go outside and they do their little exit interview, they're always like, ah, it's a game. I think that's a good game move.

So I wonder what it is about traitors that people have a hard time understanding that. Tell me on Big Brother, Courtney, that you're, because I was, because one of the guys that was in it, I think it was Dan. He was a Big Brother.

Dan Giesling. He was a double Big Brother one. Now they kept talking about the game plan. When I was in Big Brother. Dan Giesling. He was a double Big Brother winner. Now, they kept talking about the game plan. When I was in Big Brother, which was 2012 in Celebrity Big Brother, what do they mean by the game plan in Big Brother? I'm trying to remember, Dan, exactly. We didn't have to sort of do anything other than be there and kind of survive. The nomination...

Like alliances and stuff. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. They go in, they make alliances. Well, I think this was Dan. I might be wrong, but similar to what we saw at the cookout a couple seasons ago, I think it was Dan's season where he had an alliance and then he had everyone in his alliance go and make buddy buddies

with someone outside of the alliance. So then they can continue to put one person up from the alliance and one person that wasn't on the block every week and they'd vote out the person who wasn't in the alliance hiding it i clearly wasn't it's a lot of gameplay a lot of gameplay what happened with with me in my in mind because people always say did you have a wonderful time in did you have a good time in it and i always say not really. I think it depends who you're in with. So I tend to know everybody who's on the telly back at home. You know, I read the mail online. I know everybody. And I walked in, I knew some people, but I didn't know others. And there was one American guy in there called Michael Masden from the Quentin Tarantino films. He was in like Kill Bill

and he's a Quentin Tarantino actor. But they're not the type of movies that I watch. So I didn't know who he was. But some of the young guys, Romeo from So Solid Crew and Kirk from The Only Way is Essex, they all went, oh, my God, Michael Masden. Anyway, I got on with him really, really well. And after day six, so the first six days, we really enjoyed it. You had no phone. There was something lovely about being

cut off from the world. I had been going through quite a bit of shit in my personal life, which nobody knew. I'd been going through a split with my husband and blah, blah, blah. And I had met Lincoln, but nobody knew. So I couldn't talk about that. So I wasn't in the greatest of places. So kind of being cut off from the world was what I needed. And you do forget the cameras are there. Anyway, I'm waffling on. But after six days when everybody was getting on, and there's quite a lot of you, they said you have to nominate. Now, you obviously like everybody.

But you know that you have to nominate because that's the game. So I nominated. There was this young model in it called Georgia and she was incredibly sweet a young Irish girl but she hadn't really said anything and she had partnered up with the Playboy twins there was two of the Shannon twins who had been married to Hugh Hefner and so I didn't really know her and so when I nominated I said look I'm going to nominate Georgia because for the simple reason is she's not bringing a lot to the house. I'm sure she will. But for right now, I just don't have much of a relationship with her.

So I can only think to nominate her. And I said, and I'm going to nominate Michael. I really like Michael. I get on with him. I have a laugh with him. I think he's a great housemate. I said, but after a week, I know what his dog's called, what his kids are called, where he lives, what films he's been in. He doesn't even know why I'm in Celebrity Big Brother.

He hasn't asked me one question. So for that reason, I'm going to nominate him just simply because he doesn't seem that interested, which is fine. Anyway, they showed the nominations, which they never normally do. And the turn was, I couldn't believe it he hated on me and i kept saying but we had to nominate right we we had no choice and i said michael it was only because you you know you you're from hollywood you're from a different life to me anyway that was just it. Then the meanness was off the scale. So the best, people said

what was the best thing about winning? I said Michael Madsen's face. And I feel like that's the thing with traders is when you have reality stars, but then you have gamers. You know, yes, they're on reality shows, but they're on game shows. So you have the people like

on Survivor, Big Brother, The Challenge, but they're on game shows so you have the people like on survivor big brother and there's something called the challenge which i don't know but you have the challenge yeah that's been on for like 20 years so there's the people who go in i actually just met trishelle her and mj worked together at the critics choice awards last weekend so i was talking to all of them after and trishelle is a big bravo fan as well and she was like if you ever get asked on traders like i like, I can give you so many tips. I'm a gamer. Like, I just like... Oh my God, Sheena,

what if we did it together? Oh my God. Imagine that. Putting it out there. But yeah, so I feel like that's the one thing with Traders with like MJ and Trishel. They're like, it's a game.

And MJ's like, I thought you were my friend. I thought you were my friends. I know it was so... I mean, I have to say it was heartbreaking at the end. But, heartbreaking, but incredible. It's great television, isn't it?

Traitors. Oh, so good. It is really good. But if they have one in the UK with normal people, they should do like a mixed season. That's what they did the first season here. Oh, really? They did first season when Brandy and that did it from Beverly Hills Housewives. Yeah.

They did a mix. Civilians versus celebrities. Yeah. I think there's a couple other reality shows that are, they Beverly Hills Housewives. Yeah. They did a mix. Civilians versus celebrities. Yeah. I think there's a couple other reality shows that are doing more of that now. I think that's cool. They've never done anything like that in the UK of doing like a mix. It's quite fascinating. Yeah.

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Yes, I do. OK, so did you see? Am I getting a quiz? No, no, no. I'm just going to ask your opinion. OK, so on this week's episode, I'm not sure if you're caught up, but Jen Aiden, okay, and Danielle Cabral,

do you see the fight? Awful. Explosive. So Danielle held, for those of you who aren't caught up, Danielle held a charity event which many of the women,

including Jen Aiden, went to. They posted about it, blah, blah, blah. Jen then suggested that Danielle was stealing from the charity by paying vendors out from what was raised,

relaying that when she throws events, she pays for all of the vendors and expenses out of pocket with the funds raised going solely to the charity. So as a public figure, someone who is very philanthropic, I figured you would know proper etiquette here. Do you think Danielle is justified in covering the expenses for the charity event from the funds raised and then donating the net proceeds to the charity? Or does it sound like Jen was just trying to make Danielle look bad here by bringing this up? The latter.

Yeah. I am not a Jen Aiden fan. Never have been. Really? No, I'm really not. Oh, I love her. No, I'm really not. And I honestly love her. No, I'm really not. And I honestly, I love, listen, we love the conflict.

We love these shows. We're glad we're not in the conflict, but we kind of. Oh, I am. You know. You are. But as a viewer, you're thinking, oh, God, I'm glad I'm not in that situation. But there is human nature that we quite like to see. That was intense.

It was really more intimate together. but there is human nature that we quite like to see. That was intense. However, I just thought that that behavior from them was just really, really tacky. I thought it was unnecessary. And I've since actually heard a lot of comments about people who are from New Jersey saying, who wants to be in that friendship group? Why would you want to have behavior like that? And then everyone seemed to gather around Jennifer Aiden

when actually she pushed Danielle. She did it first. And I thought, you know that thing about, you know, she was saying to Danielle, you should have put up the business on the screen and everything. And she said, well, you didn't really contribute to the event.

And she said, I showed up. It's like big deal. She only had her businesses on the step and repeat. No, that was one thing. I'm like, okay. She only had her businesses on the step and repeat. No, that was one thing I'm like, OK, well, if Aiden Plastic Surgery isn't contributing money to the charity, then no, it should not be on the step and repeat. You know, if I if I travel somewhere to go to a charity event, do I put my receipt in for transport? No, I would normally cover my own if I'm in a position to. Some people aren't in a position to. Not everybody has loads of money.

But if you have thrown a charity event, and it's like the charity ball that I have every single year. I don't do the organizing of it, but we raise money every year. We've raised over a million pounds over the years for this charity, Gem Appeal for Genetic Conditions in Children. But people who put it on have to recoup their costs because they're quite, they're a lot.

And then everything, obviously, is profit, which Danielle was, she was, Jen Aiden was trying to infer, like you said, that she was kind of

taken off the back of the charity. And I don't think Danielle said she took anything or paid for the transportation, I think is what part of it was said she covered the expenses of it or whatever I think that was said somewhere and Jen's like well when I throw charity events like I pay for everything out of pocket she said but you're

a trillionaires as well yeah so yeah but I mean Danielle was up in Jen's face but Jen did not have to and it wasn't just like a pushing back it was a hard shove yeah it really was and it wasn't just like a pushing back. It was a hard shove. It really was. And it wasn't Danielle just throwing a drink into Jen's face. She smashed it on her. I mean, she took that glass and hit her upside the head. It was crazy. It was awful. Because I always think, what do the kids think when they, you know, listen, I've made some mistakes on screen and off. You know, I was a drinker for a long time.

I've been sober 12 years and there are things that I did on screen and off. Thank know, I was a drinker for a long time. I've been sober 12 years and there are things that I did on screen and off, thank you, that I regret. And I put my, you know, my kids through it, especially Matty, Louis Leso, because he was only sort of like nine when I got sober. So I know that I've made mistakes on and off screen. I mean, I did Big Brother.

I got my tits out on the second night and ran around. Makes for great TV know it did make for great TV it didn't make for great family life when I came out you know so like I say but I think that was just horrible behavior and I think I would be mortified if I was the children to see my parents acting yeah in in that way and then there's Bill Aiden just sitting there at the table oh Bill then y'all comes in and yells at him you're a wife and he's like you gotta sleep in that way. And then there's Bill Aiden just sitting there at the table. Oh, Bill. Yes, so Bill. Then y'all comes in and yells at him,

you're a wife. And he's like, you gotta sleep with the devil. But yeah, and Teresa and Louis, I mean, God,

I'm obsessed with that show. Yeah. I think Dolores is going down a dodgy path with Paul again. Ooh. I know Sheena

loves Dolores and she's friends with Teresa too. I do. It's like, I mean, I loves Dolores and she's friends with Teresa too. I do. It's like, I mean, I love Dolores. How is he not getting divorced? I know, I asked the same question.

I mean, we're not talking about nine months. We're talking about 12 years. 12 years. I know. I didn't like it when he said to her at the table and I quite like Paul,

but I, you know, and I really like Dolores, but I didn't like it when he said, what, you think I'm going to get divorced and then just propose to you the next day? And he's already talked about having the engagement ring and everything. Yes, right.

That's it. So I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know. But hey, they're going into electrical business together. So there's a commitment. There is. Okay.

There is. And also, didn't we hear that Danielle maybe got suspended, but not Jen for that fight? I read that yesterday. You did? You know. Everything on the internet is true that you read. Of course, it has to be true if I read it. But I did read that.

I honestly don't remember the article, but I did tell Sheena. I don't know if it's true, but I did read that Danielle was suspended, but not Jen. Well, that's appalling. Don't know. I don't know if that's true. Any clue? Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure, but I did read that.

But I've read some other stuff where did you read it i it was it was either twitter or instagram let's be real and i said when i said that i said i don't know if this is true but i did always i'll be talking to someone i'll be like oh my god i read this article no that means i either saw a tiktok or saw a tweet about it yeah that's what you know what they do at my work now this thing of you of you saying that and i don't know if you have this but the whole of the press and and even sometimes this show that i work on they we will do the meeting and they'll say um um oh you know there was outrage about something that you said the and i go no there wasn't outrage doris from darlington one person on twitter was outraged about it

so let's not pretend that there was like and the next thing, you look online and it's like, you know, the fans were outraged. It's like, no, they weren't. I love how you post things on your story, too, and like just shout it out, too, when things are said about you. I do sometimes. I have seen that. A lot of the times, and God, you know more than anybody, you have to let it wash over

you. Otherwise, Erica, let it wash over you. You do, but it's hard and it's very hard. I'm the same if I see things about Maddie much more than if I see things about me much more. And you, like me, you're going to see things a lot more about Maddie as I do about Sheena. You don't see things much about Louie as I don't see about Courtney.

That's right. You know, so it's tough. We're in very much the same position when it comes to those things. But sometimes I look't see about Courtney. That's right. You know, so it's tough. We're in very much the same position when it comes to those things. But sometimes I look for things as well. And then I think, well, hang on a minute. I'm feeling like I'm in the middle of some kind of media storm, but it's not. It's because I'm looking. No one else in this world. You're in the Swifty Storm. The Swifty Storm. But it's like, it's when you look for things, that's when you get hurt. Like, you can't like be going and looking and then getting your feelings hurt and then being like,

why did I see this? And I mean, it was Mark, gosh, probably, I don't know how many seasons ago, said like, stay out of the comments, quit talking back. And I try and I do have these little voices in my head that tell me to stop. And I put them on blast sometimes. I know, same. So, you know, somebody the other day, I had done a show with Stacey Solomon, who's a very popular presenter in our country, and she does the show now and again. Stacey had come on and we'd

had a discussion on a discussion show where you're supposed to discuss things and maybe disagree. So we disagreed on something. It was about young people and the work ethic. And since COVID, have Gen Z become a bit more lazy and a bit more entitled. It was one of those kind of loose women-y topics. And Stacey said something to do with nurses in the NHS, which provoked a great big reaction. And I actually agreed with her. And then afterwards, Twitter was, oh, somebody said Stacey Solomon wiped the floor with Denise Welch. So of course, all the online press was that she wiped the floor with me. And then I got in from this thing at night and I just happened to look and it said, one journalist said, oh,

Stacey Solomon, in inverted commas, refuses to work with Denise Welch after the brutal row, brutal row. And I just, I put it on, that's probably what you saw. And I put it on my stories and I got that, I tagged the journalist in and I just said, put it on, that's probably what you saw, and I put it on my stories and I tagged the journalist in. And I just said, what gives you the right to make up a complete lie about a friend of mine, Stacey Solomon, where we had a disagreement on a show where we are encouraged to disagree about things. It's a talk show. And to say that she won't work with me. Anyway, she got back to me privately and said, I would never do anything to upset you. And I said, well, hang on a minute.

Well, how do you think that made me feel? How do you, when you wrote, Stacey will no longer work with Denise Welch, which was a complete lie. How do you think it made me feel? And she said, oh, we were just picking up on fan comments. I said, no, they're not fan comments. They're troll comments.

Troll comments. But you know, papers are struggling. We know they'll do anything for clickbait. Yeah. I was going to say the best feature, though, is the hidden word feature on Instagram. control comments you know where they'll papers are struggling we know they'll do anything for clickbait yeah I was gonna say the best feature though is the hidden word feature on Instagram

and obviously this can't control other people's posts but you can like pick specific words and like hide them from your comments so at least you don't

have to see them you know but that doesn't help too many words for me to oh my god yeah but you can even

hide emojis but you understand what Courtney's saying right really okay so like you could hide the words like Stacey from your comments if you like you were getting so many comments about like wow I can't believe you and Stacey aren't going to work together anymore like you could hide the word Stacey and then no comments would show up for as long as you have that oh I see as long as that story is going is yeah and then you can go and I just want to say Stacey I don't want to hide you because I love you yeah yeah but I know what you mean I get what you're saying yeah but I remember when Summer's name got leaked and that one was it Ryan Bailey was going around telling everyone like oh I know Sheena's baby's

name it's going to be named Summer I, we hid the name Summer from your comments, but it wasn't until Summer was like probably almost a year old. We were like, oh my God, we never unhid the word Summer. So people were probably commenting like, Summer is so cute. Like, oh my God, we never saw them. Yeah. Would you ever do an unscripted docuseries? Something like that, like a Housewives?

Lincoln and I have been approached and we did a series last year called Unbreakable, which we won, which was a kind of couples challenges and stuff. You know, Lincoln's a very successful international artist, but he's like me. I think we both take our work very seriously, but we don't take ourselves too seriously when my dad died um three years ago now in september it really broke my heart and my husband's heart he was very close to him we decided that sometimes you get offered things which are outside your your normal work thing and you think it's either not enough money or oh god no i'm not going to do that it'll take

away from this that and the other and we thought you know pollocks to that if something sounds like it's going to be fun like last year we did celebrity hunted where we had to escape we had to escape it hasn't been on yet it's coming on um at the at the beginning of of next year but that was quite exciting and that does show areas of relationship the only thing that would worry me about, well, my two children would probably never come to the house. They would literally, if ever they come to the house and they remotely see a camera, you hear the car reversing out of the drive. But I've seen what it can do to relationships and friendships. You've got to be strong, you know, to survive it and have a very, very thick skin.

And as I'm older and I feel, because my husband Lincoln is 15 years younger than me, so I've married my carer. Hell yeah. I am looking after myself in my dotage. I feel so lucky to have got found the love that I have at this stage I would be terrified about you know but I think would I do a reality sort of for sure definitely now I think it's the way it's going yeah you know it's as I used to be scared to

say my love of American reality because as an actress I felt I was depriving people of not not that I would have the position to deprive people of work but I felt I should be saying it's taking all our jobs it's taking all our budget and I just love it it's American reality for me though not British reality that I interesting what about Love Island I see that one of the girls from the UK though she's on UK this season more More or less. Higgins? She's hosting the after show for your show, isn't she? Oh, yeah. Oh, I did see that.

I skipped those episodes, honestly. I don't watch the after show. Because I, my only connection to it is 2019. She's adorable, though. She is adorable. So cute. 2019, when I was here, something came up on Google Alert, and it said Chris from Love Island said his

claim to fame is his dad was engaged to Denise Welsh and I went what on earth and Chris Taylor who was in it Chris now does the podcast back there really good looking guy I was engaged to his dad Rob when I was 18 when I was at school wow yeah my little connection and he was and he was um with that that Maura Higgins so I think the UK I think it's perfect how it is and I love watching it and I love the little phrases that come from it and I feel like we do watch it with subtitles though because sometimes some of the accents are so strong we can't really understand what they're saying but it was funny because like I've only heard the name Joey Essex I wasn't I'm not familiar with his career at all but I saw a tweet

and it was like two Americans Joey Essex going on Love Island I'm not familiar with his career at all. But I saw a tweet and it was like two Americans, Joey Essex going on Love Island UK is equivalent to either DJ Pauly D from Jersey Shore or Scott Disick going in as a regular bachelor contestant. Interesting. That's exactly what it would be. Yeah, it would be like Scott Disick going in and being just like a regular person. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. Okay. Well, we're going to take one more little break and we'll be right back. All right. So I know I'm always talking about Brock and Summer on this show, but you know who I haven't talked about in a while and that's Penny Lane and Salem, my two first kids. And because they were my first kids, my fur babies, I always want to make sure that I'm giving them quality food to prolong their life as long as possible because now they're summer's

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you're working and you're ignoring the camera because you're an actress, which you are too. When we're a presenter, we're talking to the camera, we know. But to suddenly live a life like you guys do, which is your supposed normal life.

Yeah. And then these cameras. How is everybody so natural? I don't get it. I always think that is it something with British people that they would be more stilted or everybody just seems to immediately live in a world where the cameras are. I mean, Erica, you sometimes do it, don't you? And how many cameras are in the room with you guys? It depends. So if it's a smaller scene, like if it's something like this, just the four of us, there's only going to be two big cameras when it's a big group, when it's, you know, a wedding, something like that, then you

will have several more. We have three crews usually, and there's two cameras on each crew. But then sometimes they'll have a smaller cam, like a producer cam and whatnot. But it's not so many where it's overwhelming. I think the greatest thing about a first season of a reality show is no one is in their head yet. They haven't been trolled on social media yet. They don't know what to expect. They are their most authentic selves. And there's just something so beautiful about that.

They don't know the noise that's coming. But then it comes. And then you get season two. And I guarantee it's going to be different because now people know what to expect. Now they're more conscious of the way they have conversations and what they're going to say and who's going to hate them if they don't like this person, if they don't invite this person, da, da, da, da. I think Michelle and Jesse, their personalities, I think are great for reality television. Michelle very much tells it like it is. But she also has never watched reality TV. So she had no idea what she was getting into. She had no idea of even the concept of it broadly.

Jesse has been in entertainment for many years. He modeled with Anna Nicole Smith back in the 90s. And he's been in entertainment for a long time. So I think the beauty of Michelle not ever watching reality TV, she was just like, I'm just me. Oh, there's cameras here. No big deal. Janet, I think, was someone who was an avid reality TV watcher, but

with her being on Vanderpump Rules with me, she got a taste of it. So I think that helped her kind of... She was in the wedding and, you know, so she was around filming of it. So I think that helped her kind of... Oh, she was on that with you. Just like background stuff. Little bits here and there. She was in the wedding, you know, so she was around filming a lot. I think the person that you can see, the change it's made seeing him at the reunion is West from Summer House.

Yeah. Because he's, you can see him thinking he's sort of, he's cock of the north and everybody's loved him and then obviously he's been thrown, well not thrown under the bus, but you could see him sort of... He did it to himself. Yeah. Well, yeah, he kind of.

He kind of fell. He kind of did. Yeah. Interesting when you see all the trolls start. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Is Christian still with Luke? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And cameras pick up soon. Like in a few days. In a few weeks. They did not have a reunion. And Jackson and Brittany aren't back together. Do they still do a podcast together?

They do. And they co-parent really well together. They do. For now. Yeah. I think when one of them starts dating someone, it's going to really change that dynamic. I hope for as long as possible they can continue co-parenting in peace. Yeah.

But that'll be really interesting, I think, to see next season two is where it all goes. And they've said that as well. I don't think anyone really knows. Yeah, they don't know how it's going to work out. I think Brittany's more concerned with how season two is going to be for them filming more so than Jax. I mean, I've heard those words out of her mouth. She's just not sure how. In a normal world, you wouldn't have to spend that much time together with anybody, would you?

But you know what? They do spend that much time together with anybody, would you? But you know what? They do spend that much time together. They really do. They spend a lot of time together because of pros. So, wow. Well, speaking of entertainment, having kids in entertainment, I wanted to ask, because obviously both of your kids have followed paths into careers, you know, in the entertainment industry. Maddie, obviously music, Louis with acting. Knowing the, say, like peaks and pits of living, you know, just this life yourself. Was there ever a moment that you wanted to

kind of steer them away from the entertainment industry? No, because I think it would have been impossible to do so and also I I know what the pitfalls are of my business but I still love it and you know I've gotten so much out of my life as a as an actress the industry has changed that's what worries me more with Louis because it is a different world you know COVID really fucked our industry in so many ways. And then it never really recovered, especially because Louis, Louis done mostly television, but he's desperate to do some, some theater and he's so good. I think if he hadn't been as good as he is, I maybe would have tried to steer him away because, know we all know we have friends whose kids maybe aren't as

talented and we know the competition and how competitive and edgy it is to get on but he's very very good but I think with both my kids there was never any desire for the fame aspect because they grew up with two parents who are actors and their their dad, Tim, is a wonderful actor, very well known in the UK too. And they spent, not their lives, but they came on sets. They know how boring and monotonous it is 99% of the time to be on a television set. They also grew up with a mom who was in the tabloids a lot. I had a target on my back. I'm not saying poor me, boo hoo. It is what it is. But I was also hacked by the newspapers from 2000. I wanted to ask about that. Oh, you did. Okay. So shall I just, because it kind of plays into it now. So my behavior was

occasionally a bit out there. I think that there are no excuses for behaviors, but there are reasons for behaviors. So my bad relationship with alcohol started as a result of severe postnatal depression that I had with Matthew. He was born in 1989. And I had a wonderful pregnancy. And I was the typical blooming woman in pregnancy. You know, I loved it. And we were having a much-wanted son. We were a very committed loving relationship at the time so everything on paper was perfect

and I was plunged into this hospitalized um I was on the verge of a purple psychosis which is when people completely and utterly lose their mind and I didn't know who the baby was at times and then this black suicidal depression came over me in fact matty's song she lays down which is on one of his albums is about his grown-up version of my depression and so when he was about it it was people say how long did that last it kind of has lasted for 35 years but the last five years i've been i think since the end of menopause, something has happened because I spent 20 years saying to people, could you please look at the hormonal origins of this? You know, women have a baby. They push a bowling ball out of their foo-foos. You know, this incredible thing happens. There's a chemical chaos. And yet you're refusing to accept that

there may be some hormonal aspect to what's happened. And eventually, after 20 years, I found this guy who found that I was so deficient in estrogen, he didn't know how I'd survived. And that's when I started to make a slow recovery. And I was a bit resentful, really, that these options weren't maybe offered to me earlier on. But as a result of that, desperately trying to self-medicate when I was doing Coronation Street, which was a very, it was a big soap opera at the time. Well, it's still a very popular soap opera, but it was huge just the way that there was only four channels on telly. And I was juggling a lot and I started to drink. And the only way I could stop the pain was to do drugs. And I got down a very, very, very rocky road. And I started to drink. And the only way I could stop the pain was to do drugs. And I got down a very, very, very rocky road.

And I think that when people talk about taking their lives with depression, it's not that they want to die. It's that they want to stop the pain. And I have become a huge advocate since then of talking out about mental illness because you just want to stop the pain. So if that is reaching for drink or cocaine or anything that will stop the pain, it's what you do. And unfortunately, that became a habit to me. And it was very hard to get off that, you know, very, very hard to get off that roller coaster. So the newspapers were hacking, but we didn't know at the time. So I just used to think,

hang on a minute, why do the papers, they're always there. If I come out of a nightclub, if I came out of a restaurant, Erica, and I've been told this by paps that I was actually caught in a conversation with recently, and they said, you had a massive target on your back. We were told that if you came out of a restaurant, even if you just blinked, we had to get that photo so that we could say denise stumbles out of the restaurant because that's how we'd get the um the papers sold and yet some of the time i wasn't i wasn't the kind of alcoholic that woke up in the morning and reached for the the cupboard and drank vodka i was a binge alcoholic when i was you know when i was away and working and it was just it was

a horrible time and i was hacked for seven years And not only was I hacked as in they were listening to my phone messages, they actually, and they admitted this, the mirror group, they had put bugs in my hotel room. They had hired private investigators to put, and I was just like, you know, that's why I get so supportive of Prince Harry and Meghan and people like that. I'm a huge, like you know that's why I get so supportive of Prince Harry and Meghan and people like that I'm a huge you know a big fan of them because I think stop saying that you didn't do that because if you did that to little old me right of course you know they're doing it to them just on the television please don't tell me that you weren't putting bugs in in their you know bedrooms but it meant that I lived through a horrendously paranoid time of never trusting anybody.

And I am like you. I am incredibly close to my family. But you get to the point sometimes when you think, but nobody could know that. You know, I told one person that. And it was absolutely a horrendous time. And Mattie was subject to every single week. We have these four weekly, main weekly magazines, like you have the similar sort of things that are on the stand. And I was always in drug hell or marriage hell or this hell or that hell. And Mattie didn't tell me till

really he was much more grown up that, you know, he was bullied at school for that. Because, but he never said that to me because I was always on the front of these magazines and sometimes probably was my fault but many many times it wasn't true many times it really wasn't it was just I was a very easy target and you know I met the guy for ITN news they They asked me, would I meet the guy who hacked my phone? And I said, okay, I will. And he came around to the apartment that I had in London. And they only showed, because it was the news at 10,

so they only showed a small clip. But we actually spoke for an hour and a half. And he'd turned whistleblower. So he had actually stood up in the courts and said, this is the person that I hacked. He hacked two of us. But the people who told him to hack, the people at the top of the tree, they didn't get anything. They weren't even called to court. He was given an 18-month suspended sentence. And when he was told to stake out my hotel room in London, and he saw these two private detectives. I can't

remember the name of them even. It sounded like a joke, a joke comedy series. He saw them coming out of my bedroom opposite. They said they'd been employed by the Mirror Group, who obviously are much different now, to put a bug in my hotel room. And he went back to his bosses and he said, I'm out. I can't, I can't do this. I can't do this anymore. That is so crazy. Why does it feel like

it's worse in the UK? Like, I know Britney Spears had like the worst of it like in her day and stuff. And that's Britney Spears. I mean, this is like.

So why does it feel, why does it seem like the UK is so awful with the tabloids and everything? It's terrible, Courtney, and they really don't,

they really don't care, you know. But it was kind of like listening to this guy because he said, you know, he was in a position whereby he was told he would lose his job if he didn't do it. And he had a family and he's not proud of it. But at least he turned whistleblower and started to go against people. But it was an awful time. So that's an incredibly, probably very boring version of why my kids saw the downside of this business. But Matty from age 13 started this band. So the 1975 on no overnight success. They started in my garage. So those songs like Chocolate when we were doing the career, those songs like Chocolate, Matty wrote when he was

very, very young. And now I see that as hopefully my pension, whereas at the time I'd be shouting, shut the fuck up! I've got to go to work tomorrow! But I think with you two, you saw the talent so much in Matty and in Louis as an actor, and that's why you wouldn't have wanted to discourage them.

And I would never have wanted to discourage Matty. I couldn't do anything with music. I know nothing about music. It's like I was dreading even, you know, I go to the concerts and I see people like Courtney singing, singing the words of every single song. I just do the, you know, join in like this. Math people. But if you discourage them, you probably only want to make them want to do it more. But also, as I say, I saw that matty was a true musician and

songwriter so talented if anybody there was a couple of times over the years that you know people would come and say because matty was a drummer he was the drummer originally and then he sort of moved up the the front you know and the rest is history but there was a couple of times that people came and they wanted to do manufacture this and everything. He ran a mile from all that. He is a true musician. And Louis, Louis has just grown as an actor. He knows the pitfalls, but he has complete faith in himself as an actor. The great thing about it is he's much more together because if he does a self-tape that he really wants and he does an amazing self-tape and he doesn't get the job. He knows not to go, oh my God, I'm dreadful. Oh my God, I'm the worst actor in the world. He knows if he's

done a good tape, he's done the best of his ability, but it is because he is not what they are looking for. And you can't do anything about that. You know, we know you walk in a room, they know immediately if you are right for that role, no matter how good you are. I think the awful thing about COVID for actors is that it's taken the in the room from us. You know, Louis had an in the room, which is why he's not here. And it was the first in a long time. Because I know for myself as an actress, I probably got 90% of the jobs because people liked me more than they maybe like the other five people who were equally able to do the job.

So self-taping just takes away that personality. Yeah, you don't have your presence in the room. It's not as personable. It's really, you know, that really bugs me. Then, of course, actor's strike happened and that's, you know, knock things back again. So it's a tough time for the business generally. Totally. Speaking of your kids in the industry, I wanted to ask because obviously you've had your own successful career and have been stopped by fans and paparazzi for many years. But do you remember the first time that someone approached you for a picture autograph because you're Maddie's mom? Oh, my God. It was a few years ago.

And we'd come over because Maddie was doing Jimmy Kimmel. So is it Jimmy Kimmel that's down by the Hollywood? Yes. That sort of area. And I was walking along. And I think I was with my dad. My dad used to love it over here. And I was with my dad. And used to love it over here and i was

with my dad and it was um it was a bunch of british people so i heard oh my god oh my god oh my god and i just the usual you know can we have a picture what are you doing here blah blah blah and this woman was shouting louise louise look and she sort of had a hold of me like i was just this sort of thing in this she had a hold of me and she went Louise and I said come on Louise and Louise just went but the funny thing is it's such a good question because I've told this on on a show back at home I can tell especially in the UK I can tell when somebody you the UK, I can tell when somebody, you know, we're used to people recognizing us. It's just part of our life, isn't it?

It just is what it is. I can tell when I look over people who recognize me because I'm Denise and I do Loose Women or the different shows I've done, whatever. But I can see when it's people who know me as Mattie's mom. As the mom. Because it is like I have given birth to the Messiah. Oh my gosh. And, you know, I had someone when he was playing the O2 come up and Lincoln said, come on.

You know, she was going, who's life is crying? And Lincoln said, come up and ask her for a photo. And she touched me and she just sort of burst into tears. You know, it's absolutely, it's absolutely crazy. But I do like it. But out here, you know, I get talked about in the press out here for many reasons. But a lot of it is Mattie's mom and the publicity around Mattie that often happens, you know, especially in the last year.

Yeah, yeah, sure. I just wondered what that was like you know just proud mom moment where you're like oh it's it's not me it's my son it's very it's very well the thing is if they know I'm in town like when we were in um New York when he was playing Madison Square Garden we'll come out the hotel and there's maybe a hundred people outside the hotel and obviously I'm not Matty but I'm kind of like second best you know so I'll so I'll but I'm just mostly I'm just mostly proud. Sure. Yeah, I love it. I love that.

The press is crazy around him. And that's not something that he was ever that he was ever. Yeah. Well, I think just the press in general is crazy. You mentioned, you know, just with Meghan Markle. I know you've been very vocal just about how she's been treated in the UK media. I get trolled terribly for that. Yeah.

But where do you, why do you think they go so hard after her? Do you think it's racism? Do you think it's because she's American, because she had her own successful career as an actress? Like what is the issue? It drives me mad. And because I'm a Harry and Meghan supporter, I don't know them at all. I have heard that they, that they are aware that I support them, which I'm glad because I really, really feel for them. And it doesn't mean that I'm anti-royal. I have nothing against the royal family. I just feel, and the reason I picked up this guy that was on the show, this guy called Dickie Arbiter, who is a real sort of up the king's ass type of

guy, you know? And he's also one of the people that was, when the Meghan Markle and Harry documentary came out, he was one of the people that they discovered had been asked about, had been paid to talk as if he had seen the documentary before it even came out, okay? So I knew when this guy came on the TV and he was having a go at them.

And I just kind of lost it, you know, because I said, Harry is a kid whose father was, as we know, unfaithful to his mother from the get-go. From the get-go. I am sure that there is protocol and reasons why he had to marry somebody to produce Heirs to the Throne. I get it all. But to that little boy, he had a daddy who never really loved mummy. His mummy died and he was forced by protocol to walk behind the coffin to then accept this woman who he never liked, Camilla. I have nothing against Camilla.

I don't know her. She makes King Charles happy. Fill your boots. But this young child went through that. And I just feel that there are other things that have gone on that some people maybe know about that when Meghan came into this family, there was no way that she could be the people's princess. It had to be, it had to be Kate Middleton. And I think that there was racism involved in it. Of course there was.

Like when Princess Diana was with Dodi Fayed. You know, the same sort of thing. They don't want, and I'm not saying this is the actual family. I'm saying the people who look after the royal family, the men in gray suits and everything, probably did not like this at all. The thing that gets me about Meghan Markle is she was in those rooms before she married Harry.

You know, if anyone does their research into Meghan Markle, OK, she was a moderately successful actress and had a sort of, you know, successful show and blah, blah, blah. But she was a young woman of color speaking out for women of color and equality for women from a very, very young age. She was on the stage talking for the United Nations. She went all over the place talking on behalf of those issues. So although there was obviously an elevated status given to her as a princess, she still was in those rooms. That is why Harry fell in love with her, not just because she was a beautiful girl off the television in America. because she was a beautiful girl off the television in America. You know, he fell for that side of her personality. And I think what got me, I referred to my own battle with severe postnatal depression. We know that Megan struggled terribly with postnatal depression. She said, and I believe

that she was not given the support because my autobiography from years ago is called Pulling Myself Together because if I had a pound for everybody that said to me pull yourself together and I don't know so you know I'll get quoted as if I know this this is my own perception of the situation he just thought I am not seeing this wife who I love who has got mental health issues going through what my mother did and I am taking her away. And they are living their life. They aren't harming anybody.

And all the press want to do at home is, Harry's not welcome back. There's no room for Harry. And I'm screaming, he doesn't want to come back. He's living in the sunshine in Montecito and he's having a great old time. The Americans love them. But you see, they make out that you guys don't and I know from being here that you guys do love them.

We do. Everyone loves them. They aren't hurting anybody. No. They've got two beautiful children, you know, and they're not harming anybody and I get so angry

because I'm so in a minority at home. Yeah. Wow. It's crazy. Everyone's like brainwashed. Brainw crazy. Everyone's like brainwashed. Brainwashed. Yeah. Yeah.

Really brainwashed about it because the media are, and I know that there are, there are people in the palace that force all this information out to, to sort of brainwash people into thinking that we hate Harry and Meghan. When actually, as you've just, you know, quite rightly said, that's not the case at all. Yeah, they've like decided for you. They've decided for everybody. Yeah. No, we love them one thing that i know my sister doesn't love to wrap up the podcast today it's

just it might be a uk us thing i don't know but last week on the podcast we had a discussion about flushing tampons just to completely do a conversation okay okay people had lots of opinions about it i've seen the comments okay however someone brought it to my attention that in the uk recently i guess there was an event labeled as fatberg f-a-t-b-e-r-g right when tampons led to a giant clog in the sewer system this is in the uk yes apparently this happened in the UK? Yes, apparently. This happened in the UK. Okay. So where did we learn

that flushing tampons was okay? Was it my mother? Is what I have to ask. Blame me. Because why else would I have always been flushing tampons my whole life? I thought that we could flush tampons.

I always flushed. You guys just haven't followed the rules. Anywhere you go in public, let's not talk about at home for a second. It's got to be a generational thing. It says above the toilet, please do not flush feminine products. And then at other places, it'll say, please do not flush anything other than toilet paper. Also, I'm scared of clogging someone's toilet.

It happened to me this year at like six in the morning. Not from a tampon. Not from a tampon. It was literally just pee and like a hundred year old toilet. Like it was like a really old building. And then it flooded the bathroom at like six in the morning and he had no plunger. And it's New Year's Day. Oh my God, it's my worst nightmare.

So why would you put yourself in a position to potentially clog a toilet? I know. I hear you and it makes sense. And I know. Do you flush? I mean, not. I mean, I don't remember. But did I?

Yes. Yes. And I had brothers that are plumbers who would have said absolutely not. We had the ones with the like tampax with the cardboard. Yeah. You took the cardboard off and you kind of wrapped that up and put that away. But the actual tampon, you put down the toilet. No, I mean, it's got to be a generational thing.

It is. I was just in the Midwest this week and we were at a venue and there was a toilet and it reminded me of this. And it said something about how like, please don't even flush the toilet paper because we don't want it going out to our river. We don't want any of this going out to the river. So that your tampon would have went out to their river. Well, but in places like Turkey,

when you go to the toilet, you're not even supposed to flush your toilet paper. Yeah. So you've got to, oh God, it's just, you know. I also saw that some tampons used to be marketed as flushable okay there's flushable wipes maybe a long time ago those ones probably weren't even safe for your

body like i bet so much has changed it has oh i just i had to get the opinion of blocking generally with other things yeah my yeah i don't want to flush i've done that at a dinner party you know it's just horrendous. No, that was horrible. I'm never flushed. I'm timid to even flush toilet paper from that scenario. You've had PTSD with toilets since you were very young. Literally, and it was like the middle of the night.

But luckily, my mom sent me a video of how to use a plunger. I mean, I tried to explain it. Like, it was very early in the morning. I tried to explain it all to her. She was in such a panic. She said the water was starting to go out into the hallway because you don't know no no no no no oh you weren't hung over oh I was hung over I was hung okay I was throwing up in the toilet the night before so it contributed it probably did yeah contribute to it but no I literally just peed but it was at a really old apartment building here in Hollywood that's been around for like over 100 years.

So it was like really old piping, an old toilet. Maybe it's because I threw up the night before. But only pee came out. But then my friend only had one towel. So then it starts like going into the bathroom and then going into the hallway. So I was like at least like trying to pull the cage thing. It was a horrible. Was it carpet or hardwood?

It was hardwood. Thank God. Oh my God. Don't flush your tampons. You don't want to be me. All right. PSA. No, it is a generational thing.

It is for sure. All right. Yeah. As a PSA, we're just going to say don't flush tampons. Well, thank you ladies for being here.

Fun to have my fan bag and awesome to get into some shenanigans with you. Please tell everyone where they can find you online. Oh my God. And awesome to get into some shenanigans with you. Please tell everyone where they can find you online. Oh my God,

I'm never going to shut up about this one ever. It'll be all over the place. At Denise underscore Welch, is it? Is it on Instagram? It's funny, isn't it, when you don't know

your handle? At Real Denise Welch on Twitter, but Twitter's a different. Yeah, she's Denise underscore Welch on Instagram. Welch with a C,

like Raquel. And Loose Women. Love it with a C, like Raquel. And Loose Women. Love it. Yeah, it's been going. We celebrate 25 years in September. And I have been doing it for 23 of those. Not all the time.

And I have a seven year gap. It's been a show. You go away, you do a drama series, you come back, you do it. But I've been a fixture of it. Being the gobby one, as they call me, on Loose Women. So long may it reign. I love it. Well, thank you so much for getting into some shenanigans with me.

We'll be back next week and got a fun show planned. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans with Sheena Shay. Download new episodes every week on Apple Podcasts, boy. I'm gonna make you mine. Do you want it? Let me see you shake that. Do you need it?

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