Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Revealing the Secret Life of ‘Mormon Wives’ Star Jessi Ngatikaura

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

Can MomTok survive another swinging story? We will find out this week, as Scheana is joined in the studio by Jessi Ngatikaura from Hulu’s “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,” who reveals that Taylor wasn’t the only one swinging?! The show’s title rings true, as Jessi has more secrets to spill: Which MomTok pal chopped off Jessi’s extensions at a rival salon? Is there any truth to the rumors swirling around social media about her first marriage? Who recently sent Jessi a 4-minute voice note apology? Plus, Jessi discusses the blowback she received after joining the show, juicy storylines that got left on the editing room floor, and bonds with Scheana over being married to Kiwi men. What might Season 2 of “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” have in store for us? Tune in to find out! Follow us: @scheananigans @scheana Guests: @_justjessiiiiEpisode Sponsors:#DovePartner A good skin care routine should include full-body coverage, and Dove’s New Serum Body Washes do just that! Beautiful, visibly healthy skin is a head-to-toe kind of thing, and only a shower away, thanks to @dove.Get 10% off your order at hero.co and use code GOODASGOLD at checkout.Get ready for the season of change, visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.Go to PrettyLitter.com/goodasgold and use code goodasgold to save twenty percent on your first order and get a free cat toy. Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. From Vanderpump rules to motherhood and everywhere in between. Warm up the kettle, it's time to spill some tea. Let's get into some shenanigans with Sheena Shay. Hello everyone, welcome back to shenanigans. For those of you like myself who are needing their hashtag mom talk fix this week, you're in luck. Joining me in the studio today is the woman behind all of the absolutely iconic hair looks, the Utah curls you have been seeing on your for you pages. She is the owner of Jay-Z Style Salon and a hair extension company.

Also, she has like so many other products and so many things I got a goody bag this weekend, very excited about. But she's also the star of the new breakout show on Hulu, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Please welcome my friend, Jessie. Hi, thanks for having me. How are we doing? So good. How are you doing?

You know what? It's been a long weekend of shenanigans that we've gotten ourselves into. That is such a fitting word. Right when I got my voice back, I came to town. You came to town. Marciano came to town. We were at Sir Tom Tom. Yeah. What I want to ask you, what was that like for you now?

Just going into, you know, because I know you've watched Vanderpump. Yes. Yeah. When Macy and Taylor were here, Macy told me that they were on their way and I'm like, tell she and I love her. Yeah. And I was like, I love her. She's like, I told her, don't worry. And then you reached out to me. So I was like, oh, Macy.

And now here we are. We've spent a whole weekend together. No, you know what's so ironic is we went to Sir the other night and we were in that back room probably a year and a half ago was the first time I ever went to Sir as like a fan girl. They put us in that room. So I ate dinner there and we like did a TikTok. That's funny.

I like manifested my life because I'm like a year and a half later I'm here with you now. Like what? So crazy. Like what is life? It's so great though What was it like for you with just like all the fans coming up to you at sir as well? What was funny is they would obviously come up to you and Brock and then they just look over and see me and be like Wait, what? What's this crossover and then they'd see Marciano and it was just kind of like a trickle effect

And so it was fun though, But I felt like that whole night we didn't get to talk much. No, we were being pulled in every direction That's your life. Like how do you deal with that? Because I'm like this is new to me But you're probably used to it if I'm trying to catch up with someone that's probably the last place I would go a hundred percent Yeah, because you were staying in the area and it's always a fun experience It's like I do love to take people there. Tom Tom was more chill. We were kind of like hide staying in the area. And it's always a fun experience. It's like, I do love to take people there just so they see it. TomTom was more chill. We got to kind of like hide out in the back. That was nice. But yeah, it was fun. But then you always have the people who just come and sit at your table.

And I'm never going to be rude. I'm always nice, but I'm like, oh, like you've had so many drinks. And like one of the girls, her friend was like, come on. And she's like, no, no, she's like, I'm really sad to leave Sheena. I don't want to leave her. And she's like, but you have to. There's always the sober-ish friend who was like, come on. And she's like, no, no. She's like, I'm really sad to leave Sheena. I don't want to leave her. And she's like, but you have to. There's always the sober-ish friend who's like, hey, we're overstaying our welcome.

But everyone we met this weekend was so sweet and so nice. It was cute. No, it was so fun. But I feel like that's why Saturday ended up being such a late night, because we didn't get a hangout that much at Sir Tom Tom. Then we went to my hotel and just chatted for even longer. Two hours.

Literally. You called the Uber, you're like, it's like 3 a.m. No, it was so late. And we're moms, we don't do this. No. This is so out of our realm, so it was very unexpected that it was fun. I'm like, the last time I was up this late was probably a music festival. Well, I bring the fun what can I say it was so fun the only thing that wasn't fun in the past few days was the fact that my

fucking car got stolen when you texted me that I was like you're joking and your neighborhood's so safe it feels like it's so crazy I still am having a hard time believing that I just feel like, oh, she's in the shop. Yeah. She'll come back. They'll return her. No, but I'm like, how, what? I cannot believe it. Has anything like that happened to you before? No, I've had my car broken into that car specifically once in the back alley of Sir. Yeah. Oh, I've had another car broken into years and years ago. But not stolen.

No, never stolen. I liked what your sister said last night, how she's like, you kind of had a feeling about that car, so maybe it was saving you from something. No, literally my OCD, like my intrusive thoughts lately, thanks to now I'm on Zoloft again, so hopefully those thoughts don't go away a little better. Okay, I'm weaning off my antidepressants right now,

and I feel like I'm a crazy person, so maybe I need to get that out. Yeah, I was on it briefly last summer and then I tried every natural way possible and I was like, I'm just going to get back on it. So it's only been a week. It's not going to affect me just yet. But for the past like couple months that I've not been on anything, just my intrusive thoughts when I'm driving this car because it is is 15 years old. Yeah. And I love it so much.

We had a buyer for it, but until I'm ready to get the 2025 car that I want, I was keeping it. It's great because we can both either drive summer to school and then I come to the podcast in one car. He goes home in the other. Yes. Today, I was like, wait, we only have one car. Brock's at the house without a car now. He can walk. Oh, he's fine.

He's fine. You're like, I'm the sugar mama. I need to be driving. Yeah, he's fine. I'll pick up Summer from here. Yeah. But, so yeah, so that, but I've just had these visions lately because my car is so old. I'm like, what if it just blows up on me when I'm driving?

Yes. And every time I'm driving it, I'm like, no, we're fine. We're fine. But talk yourself off the cliff. Yes. And every time I'm driving it, I'm like, no, we're fine. We're fine. But I don't know what it's been lately that I've just thought something or I get in an accident in it and it's a tiny two seater. It is not a safe car. No, you'd be obliterated.

I know. So I think it may be happened for a reason, unfortunately. Just get the insurance money and get your new car. And then hopefully it'll all be for a reason. Yeah. And then after that, we went to Giggly Squad. We got to go to their Uber One show that UCLA had hosted. And it was so fun.

It was interesting to see a different type of show because I've seen them at like the Will Turn, at Life is Beautiful, like adult shows. Where in this one they were maybe holding back a little. A little. Well, cause they said like, they were like, oh, should we swear? Oh, well.

Like they were still themselves, but it's a student audience. Yeah, that was the thing. It was like, they were trying to cater it more to students. So for that, it's like, they're still in their thirties. Yes. And they're so funny. They're both in relationships and whatnot. So there were still parts of it where they're like,

well, no, we're millennials, but now it's like Gen Z. Yes. And the fact that they had no idea that you were coming. They knew Brock and I were coming, no one else. So they just casually start talking about Mom Talk in their show. There was like these three photos that Paige picked out of Hannah's worst dressed looks.

And one of them, Hannah's like, well, there I look like a Mormon. Should I just join mom talk? And then Marciano with his like big ass voice was like, mom talks right here, she's in the audience. And they're like, what? Do they just let anyone in here? This was supposed to be for students?

They're like, wait, what's happening? Did she go here? Yeah, Paige is like, is that the real Jessie? What are you talking about? That was so funny. It was so funny because then it became part of the show. It did. Like they kind of referenced it, like throughout the show.

Throughout the rest of the show. It was wild. And that's the thing, Hannah and Paige are so good at also just improv. They can have, you know, the things that they want to say. They go through the different sections of the show. But the fact that they can just play off the audience. That's such a talent.

Because they obviously have their set up and their like slideshow they did. But then the funniest parts of it are how they work with the audience. Like when they brought that guy up, like, is your boyfriend trash? That segment killed me. And he was an angel. But they still made it so funny. I love them. And meeting them, they were like so, like you've been friends with them,

but they're so genuinely know. I love them. And meeting them, they were like so, like you've been friends with them, but they're so genuinely nice. Yeah. I love them. They were the only reason I started watching Summer House to begin with. Really? Even though we were the bridge to their first season, I couldn't get into it.

Wait, what do you mean? So Vanderpump Rolls season five, we did a trip with Stassi to Montauk, cause she was friends with one of the original girls. Oh, okay. So it was a crossover. It was a crossover. It was a crossover. I had no idea.

I thought it was a fan. I guess I'm not. Wait, okay. So then it was it kind of like how Housewives had the VPR crossover? Kind of. It wasn't as seamless, but it was like it started with us going on the trip. And then at like part of the trip, it switched over to Summer House. Like, and you have no idea? That's genius. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. And Paige and Hannah have both been on Summer House. Okay. and you have no idea. I, that's genius. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Gotcha. And Paige and Hannah have both been on Summer House. They came on season three. Okay. Yeah. I love them. Yeah.

I think that's so great. I followed Hannah forever. Like, she's so funny. Oh my God. Her Netflix special. Oh, so good. So good. Yes.

She kills me. Literally. And what I love about Paige is when you see her on Instagram, she's just like a fashion icon. You have no idea how funny she is till you listen to their podcast. So funny. And they're such a good dynamic. No, they're so good.

And they're selling out shows like literally everywhere. They had to add a second show to the Will-Turn. To sell out the Will-Turn. Is it huge? It's like, I think 2,300. That's impressive. And they did back to back shows that night. Wow.

That puts it into comparison how small our show was. Yeah. Because it was like a very intimate crowd. Right. And so they just had those two shows the night before and then they're like, oh, like this is a piece of cake. 100 people. I mean, it was probably a few hundred, but it was definitely smaller than they're used to. Totally. Wow. Well, I'm glad we went because it was really fun. No, it was so fun. And it was nice to see them in a different setting because like at Life is Beautiful, they pulled Brock up on stage for Is He Trash?

I went, oh, it was for that segment? I'm dead. I wish I would have seen that. Yeah, we were sitting in the front row. It was like we were asking for it. They had to, yeah. If ever I'm at one of their shows and they see me, then it becomes part of it.

So maybe why I was there, but they didn't know where. And so the fact that they just said mom talk and you were there. Yes. I said, I was like, I felt like that show was catered to us because then later on they talked about some BPR stuff too. I was like, this is so great. I know. No, it was so good. Well, I do have a fun game to play and then so many things to ask you. We're going to take a quick little break and then we'll be right back. Okay y'all, if you are wondering what I've been making summer for lunch, then you are in for a treat. We have hero bread in our house now and it has been the hero of summer's lunchbox. Brock and I are both enjoying it as well. Whether

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That's wa fa ir.com wayfair every style every home Okay, Jesse. So ever since the show premiered fans have been just embraced saying, can MomTalk survive this? Can it? At just like any inconvenience, you know, they might have encountered. So did you hear about a few months ago, Justin Timberlake got arrested. Yeah. And he had said something about the world tour. And for a minute I picked up saying like, this is going to ruin the world tour.

Like any inconvenience. And now it's like, will MomTalk survive this? Or the new Justin Timberlake? I know, right? But it's so funny. No now it's like, will Mom Talk survive this? Or the new Justin Timberlake? I know, right? But it's so funny. No, it is so funny. I didn't realize how cringey that was

until watching the show back. Like we talked about that a lot. And I'm like, what were we thinking? Yeah. But it's so good. Like watching it back, what did you cringe the most on? Okay, I feel like I got really lucky

as far as like a first season goes, because I don't feel like I have much that I regret. Yeah. I think I was a good character in goes because I don't feel like I have much that I regret. I think I was a good character in it because I wasn't involved in like the drama about my own life, but I was around it. So I feel like I got away with it pretty well. I will say though,

I feel like a few of our confessional looks, we went a little heavy on the makeup and I keep getting comments like you look 55 and I'm like, awesome. So I feel like- I don't think 55, but when we were watching the first episode, I'm like, awesome. So I feel like- I don't think 55, but when we were watching the first episode, I was like, it was Demi's interview look.

Yes. And I was like, wait, not that it's like, oh, she looks prettier, but it's like you girls are all so beautiful without a lot of makeup. And then when you are in the full glam, I think it was the brows. I was like, her brows don't even need to be colored in that much, they're so perfect.

Demi looks amazing with no makeup on. So I think we all watched brows. I was like, her brows don't even need to be colored in that much. They're so perfect. Demi looks amazing with no makeup on. So I think we all watched that back and realized, like, if we get another season, I think we want to do, like, more subdued confessional looks because our show, we're not housewives. Like, we are not dressed to the nines every second. I'd rather it feel more organic. And there were so many scenes where we didn't have makeup on. And so to then go to a confessional, it's like, what?

So I think that's my cringiest thing is just seeing the jump scare. Yeah. Oh my gosh. The amount of confessional looks I regret in 11 seasons. Oh, I can't imagine. Do you get to choose them? Like, okay, that's good. But as time goes on, styles change.

So I'm sure you're looking at like, it's like when you get married and then 10 years later, you're like, what was I thinking? You know, like my first wedding. Yeah. We both had first weddings. So, but yeah, I feel like as time goes on, I'll maybe learn that. Yeah, like we used to do the statement necklaces. Yes.

The sock bun. You were primetime, like millennial fashion when the show came out. For sure. I love it. Okay, so I wanna play a game and see what actually might endanger Mom Talk. Oh, this is a good one.

Called, Can Mom Talk Survive This? Okay. This needs to be a board game. I know, right? I wanna be like in on that. Yeah, like I'll take 10%. Okay, so can Mom Talk Survive if all of the girls go to your rival hair salon in town? Oh, you know what's funny?

There was actually a storyline, season one, where me, Michaela, Macy, and Whitney had hair drama because they all did go somewhere else after I did their hair and I confronted them. It didn't make it just because so many other things happened, but I think that for me, and I've explained this to them, and now we're all so much closer that I think it's easier to have those open dialogues

where at the beginning of filming, I didn't know them as well as I do now. But yeah, for me, I have given all of them free hair, free styles, they come in and get a wash and style every week, they get extensions, all the things. So for me, it would just feel like, oh, I did all these things, and then you just go to the next person giving it to you.

And I think that's something as a hairstylist that you're gonna always feel in your industry if a client leaves you. So yeah, that would definitely shake up mom talk for me. So it wouldn't survive. It would not survive. But I think that there's so much respect within the friendships now that hopefully that doesn't happen.

Do you do all of their hair except maybe Whitney? Yep, but you know what? Whitney started as my client and that's why I met everyone. Oh yeah, wait, what did you tell me this weekend about the extensions? I said it in the Giggly Squad show because they were like, oh, why doesn't Whitney have extensions?

And I said, well, she used to. If you watch episode one, Whitney has long blonde hair, then long red hair. It changed so many times. I did that. Like within two weeks, she wanted all these different things. So I did Whitney's hair for two years,

extensions, the whole thing. And then right before filming, this is what started the whole thing. And then right before filming, this is what started the hair drama. Like a week before filming, she goes somewhere else, chops her hair, doesn't tell me. And we had an appointment scheduled and she just didn't tell me she was going somewhere else. So I had sent her a voice memo.

We went back and forth, but it did kind of last night. I said like, it felt like a fuck you to me. That's like, I'm taking out the extensions and chopping my hair. So we'll see. Can MomTalk survive a second swinging scandal within the group? Oh God, I'm going to say yes because the first swinging scandals what got us our show. So if anything, it would just probably make it better.

Can MomTalk survive Zach's med school journey? I think it depends on how Jen handles his med school journey. I think it depends on how Jen handles his med school journey. Something I'm really proud of Jen, since all of this happened and since the shows come out, I feel like she has had a mindset change where she's like, you know what, I do deserve to have a voice.

I'm gonna stand up for how I feel. And I really, really hope that that can help their marriage if they decide to like fight through this. But if the same dynamics were happening and we didn't see change, then I don't know if it would break up mom talk, but it would definitely affect Jen's standing. And for sure. Can mom talk survive Whitney serving you all cake with her pregnancy test inside? Okay.

We have so many germaphobes on our cast, Macy specifically, and to me, if that had happened to mom talk, Macy specifically and Demi, if that had happened to Mom Talk, Macy would have gotten up and left. Like, if I even say in our group chat, like, oh, I'm feeling a little sick, she's like, don't come around me for two weeks. Like, she is so anti-germ. So no. And watching that back,

I think we were all like, what? Like, for me, like, put a sonogram photo in the cake. Right? Like, why the pee stick? So no, no, no, no, no, no. We would not survive the pea cake. I mean, clearly she doesn't think things through fully. I think she's impulsive, which can be a great thing. I'm very impulsive.

But sometimes you got to have some thoughts behind that and like think about the outcome. I feel like I can be guilty of that sometimes too. So I'm like, we'll give her grace. Yeah. I just hope the family didn't eat the cake. That's what I'm hoping. Her sister was- This, her sister was like, there's a cap on it. And there's still, there's still bacteria.

Yeah. Her sister, you could tell was like, what are you doing? At least she has family that will tell her. That would be my sister. Yeah. Okay. I love your sister. And that would be her. She was like roasting Brock last night.

And it was my favorite thing. She is not like when we play games with her Turn the rock they go at it like she'll get up and leave If she threatened that if you tell ya know it's like the typical like brother-sister Relationship they love each other so much, but then they just have like well you can only roast someone that you do love Oh, you know it's like a love language. Yeah Yeah, like she's getting to be that close with Marciona, where she'll just like, she can light him on fire too. I also loved her giving him shit last night.

Like she's like, I see right through you. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, totally. Can Mom Talk survive season two? Oh, I hope so. You know what? Real talk, going into season one, you know this from filming a show,

and we talked about this, but you're so innocent and you just go in like whatever. And then, you know, seasons go on, especially a second season after we've had a lot of success. Are people going to come in with an agenda? Are people going to try to change themselves to get a storyline? It actually does scare me because we're such a close-knit group. I really don't want anyone to like change, but I think it's inevitable because there's drama. It is. I know. And that think it's inevitable because there's drama and that's our lives.

And there's eight girls. You're never not gonna have that. So I guess we'll see. We'll see if it's like saints versus sinners or if the groups get kind of mixed up. It'll be interesting. Well, hopefully we do get a save because we need more. I know, let's hope.

Can mom talk survive genealogists doing a deep dive into the cast? Okay, well, what do you mean by that? Cause I feel like I know what you mean, but I was like, curious. I saw something, where was it? About Zach's family saying that they traced their families back to like 1801 in Scotland

and that there's no connection. To the Afflecks. To the Afflecks. To Ben Affleck. So I saw this too because, so Jen, you know, got announced on the show, her name got attention, and I remember all of us girls were on a trip, and all of a sudden our managers were calling us,

like, people wants to talk about the Ben Affleck relation, and it like blew up. All the articles, right? And then on the show, they were like, Jen Affleck, every scene. I know. And then everyone else was just like, Jessie, 31. I'm like, I could have left my age out, but cool.

It's just funny, because like, I think they made the last name such a thing. But then now there's TikToks. I've seen them too, of like, there is no relation. I don't know if this is true, but I will say that I could see a world where Zach told her that. And she believed it, because why wouldn't you?

Because I don't think Jen would lie about that. I really don't, but maybe he could. I mean, we've seen a little bit of how he can be. So yeah, there could be that, but also maybe Ben Affleck's team's like, we want nothing to do with you guys. So let's dig and like plant this story because Zach is looking a little bad.

Totally. Can mom talk survive swig going out of business? Here's the thing, we could not, because we live on our skinny cokes, of business? Here's the thing. We could not because we live on our skinny cokes, our diet coke, all the flavors. But I will say Utah has so many soda shops. There's Fizz, Swig, Soda-licious, Thirst. Like that's just off the top of my head.

So we'd be fine. I also have a soda machine in my break room at my salon. We now have a Saints versus Sinners menu. So they could just come to my salon. I saw that. That's so cute. It was really cute. We've had people stopping in just for the drinks now. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. But yeah, Swig went under. We would be okay. But this has been great marketing for Swig. Yeah.

And I don't think they even knew that that was going to happen. No. Good for them. Yeah. Can Mom Talk Survive TikTok actually getting banned in the US? Hey, I've been wondering this because it's coming up on that could be a possibility. And our whole show is mom talk. We're the talk of the town. We started on TikTok.

So obviously if that happened, we would just pivot to Instagram because we all use both platforms. For sure. But TikTok is unique in the content it has and like the community it's built. So I feel like it would be really weird because it's where like Taylor got her start, you know? So I've actually worried about that for our show. I'm like, oh, shit, it's like, if it gets shut down,

what do we do? Is that coming up? I feel like it might be. I don't know, we'll see. But I've also heard this for like four years. Maybe MomTalk can single-handedly save TikTok. Yes. Let's go to the White House.

Can MomTalk survive if the Mormon Church banned TikTok? single-handedly save TikTok. Yes. Let's go to the White House. Can Mom Talk survive if the Mormon Church banned TikTok? Oh, my gosh. So I actually met someone a few weeks ago who was like, OK, like Mormons are allowed to have social media. And I'm like, no, we're not homage. Like, I think people think we have,

like, these strict guidelines. And it's like, no, no, no, we're fine. But if they did ban social media, I wonder how a lot of the girls would react. Right. Because, you know, the thing with the Mormon Church is there's a lot of rules, but you can kind of pick and choose.

Like Macy's a great example of this and she talks about it where she's like, they say you shouldn't drink coffee, but I do. And I don't wear my garments all the time, but I know I'm a good person and I believe in the church so I'm a good Mormon. So I think if TikTok was banned in the Mormon church, they'd be like, it's one of those rules I'm just not going to go with.

You know, exactly. Could MomTalk survive Whitney being elected leader of MomTalk? I think we'd all leave for sure. Yeah. I think if I had to live under the reign of Whitney, I'd want to kill myself. Because here's the thing. I think that Whitney has a lot of great qualities and I actually think that she is a natural born leader. Like when we would get together for content in real life, like before even the show,

she would kind of be the one that's like directing and she's really good at that. So I think that she has those natural capabilities which is why she felt like she fit into that role. But I think there are some like jealousy issues and like friendship triggers that she didn't realize were going to come up. So I don't think she is the right role because of that. But I think that honestly, moving forward, like MomTalk doesn't need a leader. I think we all just need to like, okay, we're a group of women and we all have our strengths and our weaknesses. But there's people in our group who I think might like, no, no, no, we do need a leader and it's me.

Yeah. So I think that's what makes the dynamic tricky. Have you ever wanted to be the leader of MomTalk? So we all joke about this in our group that like on the show, it's like tailored to me, Whitney, as the leader. In real life, I'm the leader. Like I'm the business owner, I'm the mom of the group is what they call me. I'm the one who's like, hey, we have to be here on time. Our managers are texting me like, will you make sure everyone gets there?

So I think naturally in real life I am like, not the leader, this is gonna like cause drama, the girls are gonna be like what? Yes, but I'm like the mom of the group is what they call me. So it's kind of funny, cause like in real life I kind of feel like I'm not natural. It's the business owner in me though. Like I have 50 employees and like,

just how I operate that way. Totally. But that's where I feel like, and just even getting to know you more this whole weekend, like we did lunch a couple of weeks ago, but now just this whole weekend, I feel like I relate couple of weeks ago, but now just this whole weekend. I feel like I relate to you in so many ways. We talked about that.

I'm like, I'm the mom of my. I'm the Sheena of Secret Lives. Yep. Yeah, I get it. Could Mom Talk survive one of you defecting to join the cast of Real Housewives of Salt Lake? Ooh, it's so funny because we had the show air. We started getting all these comments that were like,

you guys should join this, this and this. And I love Real Housewives, but I will say for me, I don't feel like I'd fit in there. And I know a few of us have gotten asked to be on it in the past, like Taylor, I think. Yeah, and they said she didn't have enough drama. Yes, and then she started swinging. She's like, I gotta give them something.

But Housewives is, I mean, they're a little older than us. And then also like, they are so put together all the time, which is impressive, but like that's not us. And we're like dancing on TikTok. Like I feel like we'd come in and get annihilated by those girls. So I don't know if any of us could make the jump just because of that, but we respect what they do.

And we think they're awesome, especially like living in Utah, we know some of them, but I feel like we're just very different franchises. And I think they both have their place. Out of all of you, who do you think would do the best on that show? Demi. Okay. She's just a fighter.

Like, you guys saw it. Like, she's so fiery. Yeah. And I tell Demi all the time, her strong suit is that she can, like, annihilate someone and then make a joke and give it, like, a lighthearted spin. So that's why the audience loved hers, because, like, in the middle of a joke, she's like, weee! Like, just like doing, like like that's such a deme thing

No one's even gonna get that she does these little funny things or like little minion fest She gives it humor and I think that housewives is so drama that like having that would be so interesting But she's definitely the one that's gonna like tell you how she feels She's an open book and she's true to herself, which I think reality TV like you have to have that Yeah, so yeah sure her And then wait, her husband, Brett, he has a connection with Lisa Barlow. Did they go to college together or something? No, so do you remember,

did you watch Salt Lake Housewives? I haven't watched every episode. I watch a little bit each season. I'm gonna be watching this new season though, fully. Yes, because it's gonna be good. After the way last season ended. It was like their scandal, you know? So yeah.

So there was a girl named Angie Herrington who was on Housewives. Oh, right. That's Brett's ex-wife. His ex-wife. Yes, so they were married. So, you know, Demi and Brett obviously co-parent with her and Lisa Barlow was good friends with Angie Herrington.

But I don't think they're friends anymore. I think, I'm not sure, but I think the show showed that. Maybe they had a falling out or something. So they know of her through Lisa and they had all run into each other the other day. Demi sent me a text and it was a selfie of them. And she's like, I met Lisa. She said she loves you.

Have you met Lisa or any of them? Okay. And she sings good as gold, like all the time. She'll be on a red carpet and then they play good as gold and she just starts belting it out. Okay, wait, that's the cutest thing ever. I love it. I loved it.

Like you have like in Bravo land like, you all know each other. Hulu's a little different, because we don't have, like, a huge reality base yet. But I love that, like, you guys all get to do that and, like, have friendships. No, it's so fun. That's, like, the best part about BravoCon. You make so many new connections and friends and love it. And now there's crossovers with the networks,

which is great, too. But I think that Lisa and Demi running into each other set the internet on fire. They were like, this is the crossover. We didn't know we needed. Totally. It was so cute. OK, last one, still kind of on that.

But do you think Mom Talk could survive Monica Garcia joining the cast for season two? Oh, for our show? I think that would be explosive because she's so fiery. I'd love to meet her because she seems like a fun time. But I think I saw a video she had done a few weeks ago where she was like, I would eat those girls alive if I went on their show.

And she was like, kind of like being like a little aggressive and I was like, oh, I'm scared. So I don't know, but I guess we'll see. She's not on Housewives. Maybe there's a chance, but I think that there are so many dynamics within just our eight girls on our cast that I don't know if we have room for anymore.

No, we have plenty. We have a lot of big personalities. Yeah, for sure. Okay, we're gonna take one last break and then we'll be right back because I still have so many questions. I do get a lot of questions about my skincare routine and I wanted to highlight some of my favorite tips

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Okay. And then Layla and Demi kind of joined and came around. Me and Jen are the only ones that we were friends with all of them in real life, but we weren't like dancing with them on TikTok. Gotcha. So we weren't technically mom talk, but we were definitely like around, you know, just because of the influencer world. So I would say it started with those four, which is why in the first episode you see them a lot, because that was like the pilot of like when everything went down. So they were very integrated in the story.

Gotcha. How did you get to meet everyone? Like how did you become friends? Doing Whitney's hair. Oh. Yeah. I did her hair. Like it was probably two or three years ago I started doing her hair.

And then I had always just like us and the other girls had followed each other. Like Macy followed me, I followed her, Demi. And so we all knew of each other being like, in Utah there's a lot of influencer events. So you mark it that way in network and stuff. But Macy's the one who recommended me for the show. So that's how I got on.

Okay, love that. Great recommendation. I know, thanks Macy. And she got me here too. So she's a true friend. I love that and love her. It's so funny. What were your thoughts when this whole swinging scandal was going down?

What was it like within your community? It was insane. I feel like it set Utah on fire. But not just Utah, like the world. Everyone, we were seeing Taylor on TMZ. At that time, obviously now it's more normal, but at that time she was just a TikToker. So seeing her get to these platforms that was like celebrity news because of this was so insane. But it definitely kind of shook up Utah because everyone was like,

wait, if this can be happening in the Mormon culture, are there other secrets and what does this mean? And you know, all this stuff. So it was wild. And I can't imagine how she was feeling at that time. I mean, you talk to her, but like I'm sure that was a really hard time for her. But the thing I love about Taylor, she owns her shit.

Like she is honest and she tells you how it is, but she is also like, yeah, I messed up and I'm learning from it. Like she's never gonna downplay what she did wrong. Totally. Were you at all hesitant to be a part of MomTalk or this show due to like all of that? No, but only because I'm not active Mormon.

I talked about it during filming, like my whole like faith journey, but it didn't get shown, but I'm ex-Mormon. So I felt like being involved in stuff like that, like if I was an active Mormon, I might be more like, oh, what's that gonna look like? But for me, like I genuinely just love people for who they are.

So like, I know Taylor, I know all these girls and we, no matter what rumors are out there about people, it's always gonna be that way. Taylor's like one of the best people you'll meet. And so yes, people had like an image of her when the swinging stuff happened, but for me, I'm like, I don't want to judge someone based off of that. So it never really bothered me,

but I know that some of the girls who were active in the church, like I know that when the TikTok scandal went down with swingers and all that, a lot of the girls like left the group chat and pulled back and like I annihilated Taylor. Like we do not wanna be friends with you and like isolated her. That's so sad.

It's really sad. Cause I'm like, okay, but she was nothing but a good friend to you. Just cause she made a mistake in her personal life. I don't think it defines her character. I think how she's handled it afterwards has defined her character and you can see her growth on the show.

And she's a work in progress and says that. Did you worry at all that it could affect your business or were you looking forward to the exposure for your business? So signing up for the show, I knew that like it could be another platform for my business. I was like, awesome, but I'm not gonna lie.

I don't get shaken often. And when the show got announced and the name was dropped before the trailer, people were actually, you know, even when the trailer dropped, people were so brutal to us. And I was getting comments like, hope you enjoyed your empire while it lasts. It's going under. I'm never supporting Jay-Z again. Oh my gosh.

Yes. And people were like tagging my business. Like it was crazy. So they were like, you have no idea what you just did. So for like a day I was like, what the hell did I do? Like I employed my whole family, my mom, my dad, my sisters, they all work with me. And I have 50 employees and hair school students. So I was like, did I just ruin everyone's lives?

I had stylists who had clients texting them. Like if you're going to be at JZ, I can no longer support you. And just because of the trailer. So I was like, oh my gosh. So my response to it was just like, watch the show and then judge, because I knew what we filmed and it wasn't what people thought. But I did for like a couple of days feel really shaken up and really nervous. But then the show came out and everything flipped.

And now the people bashing us are loving us. Right. So I feel like I, I just had to trust my gut and like remember like, okay, this is who I am. And this is what I did. And I'm proud of it. And now we have people calling in to book appointments from all over the country. So yeah, it was a great thing. Yes. No, I literally I want to do a Salt Lake trip and I want to come in and get my hair done. Get the Jay Z experience. You can bring your sister because she's a hairdresser

apparently. No, seriously, that'd be so fun. Yes. No, we have to. I want to plan that soon. You should. And my sisters and my mom would die if you came in. Like the fact that I'm like here, they're like, tell her we love her. So they would love to meet you. I love them too. They're the best. Okay, we'll plan.

Okay, we'll do it. Maybe even like if it's like around Sundance or something. Oh, the best time to come. Cause you've been to Perk City, right? The most beautiful. Oh yeah. So yeah, Perk City Sundance. I got engaged at Sundance.

It's beautiful up there. Nice. Yeah, it's my favorite. So yeah, you gotta come. I love that. So, obviously, we've now learned that cameras went down for like almost a year following Taylor's arrest. During that time, did anyone drop from the cast or think about it or did you just have faith that it was gonna pick back up?

So, this is the interesting thing. So, the cast started off as Michaela, Macy, Taylor, and Whitney, and then Demi, I think. And then, so they filmed the first episode, and then Taylor got arrested. So everything went on pause. So at that point, me, Jen, and Leila were not even a part of the show. We got casted because she got arrested. Wait, that's crazy. They were like, not sure if Taylor A could legally film. Right. Like they didn't know she was going to jail or what was going to happen. So they were like, well, we know we have a good show here, but if Taylor can't be a part of it, we need to fill the gap. So they interviewed over a hundred girls,

which is wild. And we three got picked, which actually is surprising. They brought on three of us because eight is kind of a big cast, but I think they saw something different in each of us. And I mean, I think they start goals. You got the four in the four. You got the Saints in the Sings. The Saints in the Sinners. And they didn't even know that was going to happen. It naturally happened. So we got casted. And for the first few months after I got brought on, it was still up and down, is Taylor going to be in Mom Talk? Will it survive? And then she ended up being able to join. And then we started filming. So for about a year. So I got interviewed in March of 2023 and then we filmed January of 2024. So almost a year of not knowing if Taylor's going to be a part of it. But we all got really close in that time because we knew we'd be filming. And so we hung out a lot. We went on a few trips together and then we started filming and that became the cast. Love that. Yeah. Oh, well the arrest, I guess. I know, I'm like, thanks for getting arrested, Taylor.

But also it was like the best thing that happened to her for the reason of just she, it was her rock bottom. Yeah. And she had to like, exactly. Okay, so we're winding a little more because I feel like we didn't get a lot of your personal backstories this season. I felt like you only really got to know

a couple of the couples. Yes. And as a lot of the couples. Yes. And as a lot of the introduction, you know, was just like the swinging scandal and all of that, how we got her in the first place. But I want to go a little deeper. So one thing I found out after Macy was here is that her former partner, the biological dad of her son had passed away while she was pregnant. Yes.

That is so tragic. I cannot imagine going through that as such a young mom. Yeah, Macy actually filmed a storyline for that first season. And maybe it'll show in the future if we get another one. But she visited his gravesite and talked about it and went to his parents' house. And it was such a tragic story, but so defining for who she is now. She was 19 yeah Mormon going to BYU where like they have an honor code where like if you

have sex you get kicked out of school. She gets pregnant at BYU. Then so she's already like in a situation that's like she feels shame and guilt then they're texting and he got in a car accident because of that and died. So she felt a lot of guilt. Because he was texting and driving? Oh my god. And the amount of guilt I'm sure she felt while also being pregnant and emotional. But I really hope they dive more into that story because it's so incredible. And now she has a husband who has like adopted Hudson and they have another baby now.

So yeah, I think a lot of us actually have very interesting backstories. Some of it we've filmed, some maybe we will in the future, but I hope that you get to know us more if we do another season because we all have these like character defining moments. And I think it makes you fall in love with characters more if you know those things. No, totally.

I'm like, I wanna know more of all of your stories. I wanna get to know the families more and see more with the kids. And I think especially as a mom. Yes. Of course you need the drama and the friend group, but it's like I want to see more of that because we're all so fascinating. You're breadwinners. You're just like total boss bitches. Thank you. Yeah. So, okay. Let's get into it a little bit more with you personally, since you're here. Okay. Perfect. Where are you originally from? Are you from Salt Lake, Provo, central area of Utah?

Utah County, I've lived there my whole life. So I love that I have like a home base there because my businesses are there, I'll always be there, but I travel so much that I feel like I'm not missing out on anything. So my home base is here, but I can like leave whenever I want. Okay, what was your experience like growing up in the church?

Very different than like a typical Mormon, I would say, because my dad is not a member and my mom is. So they met at BYU, they got married in the temple, and my dad left the church when I was probably four or five. And I remember growing up, and it was kind of like not talked about. Like my mom would always be like, okay, dad doesn't go to church, but don't ask him why. And we would go to church and people would be like,

oh, your dad's just lost, he'll come back. So growing up, I felt like a lot of shame that I grew up in a household that wasn't traditional. But as an adult, I'm very grateful for it because I feel like I have a really well-rounded view of the world. I get to see the side of the church that gave me a lot of good morals and values, I feel like,

but I also know what the real world's like. And I think a lot of people who grew up Mormon in this bubble in Utah are very sheltered and they have no idea what the real world's like. And I think a lot of people who grew up Mormon in this bubble in Utah are very sheltered and they have no idea what the real world's about. So I think that it was a good thing, but it's definitely growing up in a bubble. Like it's crazy. Utah Mormon culture is not normal.

Like I think our show really showed that, that like Utah culture is very different than just Mormon culture. So it's a lot of image and like showing a certain side of yourself. There's a lot of dirty secrets in Utah, but everyone presents as if they're perfect. So yes, it was an interesting way to grow up. Yeah. Okay. So we also know obviously that you were married once before Jordan, although we didn't get much insight into that past relationship. And there's been some conflicting information

and rumors I've seen on social media about why your marriage ended. Is there any misinformation you would like to clear up of why it ended and what didn't happen? Yeah, so I've seen a lot of TikToks too. I've been sent a lot of them. And I knew that would happen because even before the show, I had like a smaller platform as a hairdresser

and there were always rumors and Reddit threads. But now it's at a bigger scale. And I knew that would happen because even before the show, I had like a smaller platform as a hairdresser and there were always rumors and Reddit threads. But now it's at a bigger scale. And I definitely want to clear everything up because there is a huge backstory to it and there's so much more than people know. But out on social media, it looks like there's one narrative.

So I'm hoping that if we get another season, I can dive more into that because it's something I would like to share. My story is something I think a lot of women can relate to. So all I'll say now is that my marriage did end for certain reasons and I'm not afraid to talk about it. And if he sees this, he might be scared. But I feel like I definitely want to talk about my experience there because it could help a lot of people. But yeah, don't believe everything you see online.

Yeah. How do you still talk to your ex? Do you give in touch? Okay. Not at all. I was going to say, how does he feel about the show? Oh, I'm sure him and his family are not happy about it. I have not spoken to him since 2019. So it's been a while. Okay. How did you and Jordan meet? So we met through mutual friends. This is really funny.

So he had come to a birthday party of one of my friends. And at the time he had a girlfriend and I was married. So we had just met like in that setting and we continued to hang out in a group setting like here and there, because we had mutual friends. And then one night, this was in September of 2019, I was going through my divorce. So I was going through a separation and one of my friends said,

hey, that guy Jordan's having a dinner night, you should come. And I was like, I don't want to, like, I'm not feeling social. And they're like, just come get out of the house. So hey, that guy Jordan's having a dinner night, you should come. And I was like, I don't want to, like I'm not feeling social. And they're like, just come get out of the house. So I show up, Jordan's like, hey, how are you? Where's Zach? And I was like, oh, we're going through a divorce. Like, and he's like, oh my gosh,

like me and my girlfriend broke up last week. And I was like, I'm so sorry. And we just started talking about like both of our experiences in our past relationships, going through these breakups. And we just really like connected that way. And then a few weeks later, he asked me out on a date and I was going through these breakups and we just really like connected that way and then a few weeks later He asked me out on a date and I was going through a divorce

But I was like kind of checked out of my marriage for like two years if I'm being honest So I was like why not and it happened very quickly, but we just had like an instant connection. So yeah So I I do have to ask because you're here just a little more about the swinging Okay, because I want to know was it a big shock when you all found out about Taylor and the soft swinging or was it a known thing? So I would say that it was shocking because none of us girls officially knew anything and we found out through the TikTok live stream Taylor did just like everyone else. But did Macy tell you that she had a feeling about it?

I don't remember if she said that or not. I've been on a few interviews with her where she said it. I'm trying to remember now. I feel like maybe it wasn't like a complete shock. Like maybe they had heard about it. Like she had a feeling. Like she was like, there's something off. And Macy's very like perceptive and in tune to her feelings.

And so she's always said like, I had a feeling but nothing to confirm it. So she's not like, okay, they're swingers, but she's just like something's happening Yeah, so I think she was the only one that when the story broke she was like it makes sense Yeah, but the rest of us were like wait what what like absolutely we knew Taylor was partying and like whatever But we had no idea the extent Yeah, easy so weird although nobody's like, you know copped up to it But do you think anyone on the cast may have been more involved than they're letting on,

or was it literally just Taylor in the group? It was literally just Taylor as far as I know, as far as our cast goes. But there are other people who are on social media that were involved. And I think since the show's been around, they've spoken about it here and there. So we'll see if that ends up becoming anything. Like, maybe they'll come on, who knows? Say their side. But as far as our cast goes, it was just Taylor.

Okay. If you have been around any of those parties and invited to participate, would you be open to it? So for me, I'm always the type of person that's like, I'll say yes to anything once, but as far as like being a swinger within my marriage now, no. Maybe if you're, this is what I always say,

and I've talked to Taylor about this, but when you're in a relationship that's rocky, I think that you're more willing to open that door. So I know Taylor and Tate, for example, were struggling. So that's why for them, swinging was like, oh, interesting, because they're already not on like an even footing. But if you're in a secure relationship, I don't know,

like you being married, like, do you feel like that would even fly? No, but what about in your first marriage? In my first marriage, I'm not gonna lie, I probably would've. And maybe there's more to that story, who knows? But I feel like I wasn't in a relationship that was super secure. So Taylor wasn't the only person in the cast who was swinging? I mean, maybe not in that group. I think I have a little more of a backstory on that. Do you want to tell it? Maybe I'll save it for season two. Taylor's not the only swinger.

Okay. You're like, we'll see. All right. I wasn't ever swinging with Taylor and that's I'm gonna leave it at that. Okay. So you know what Taylor said to me, actually, we were in Park City on our Park City trip and she was like, we would go to the, we would have these parties and we would sometimes bring new people in and it was Almost like they were vetting them like what couples are down which ones aren't and she goes if you would come to one of those

She's like I just know you would have been down like you just give off that vibe and I was like, oh Thanks, like is that a good or a bad? Do you think it went beyond soft swinging? Okay, so this is the thing that like confuses me is I feel like she's used that term soft swinging and I think I said this in the show, but I'm like, but you were like still sucking someone's dick. Like, right. That doesn't feel soft to me. That feels like hardcore, you know, hard, literally.

So I feel like there were definitely like situations like, the way they described it was that they would, like, be in front of each other. And the boundaries that made it soft swinging were that you can't go all the way and you can't go in another room and disappear. So that's why it was soft, whereas I think, like, full-on swingers will, like, full-on switch and, like, not be watching each other. So I don't know who coined that term. Taylor says it wasn't her though.

Right, she said that too. Yeah, exactly. Hypothetically, of course, if you were to swing, would you go soft or hard? I always say like I do everything full force, so I would go hard. Like people have asked a lot about soaking and docking, like since the show came out.

Oh yeah, jumping on the bed. Yes, like just inserting and staying still. And I'm like, okay, at that point, just do it, you know? So for me, I'm like, what's the point in doing anything halfway, right? But I don't know. We'll see season two Let's see It's swinging like a prevalent thing in the Mormon community. I feel like I don't hear about it much outside of Utah

It's so weird and maybe it's a Utah thing But I know that in the world there are like swinging cruises and like swinging groups like Facebook groups. But I was talking to my okay, so we me and Jordan just built a house. So we have like contractors in and out closet looks like a freaking dream. Thank you. You'll have to come see it if you come to Utah. My closet is bigger than like my like three of my bedrooms. It's that's why we bought this house. I'm like this is a dream. Incredible. It's not done yet. So we've had contractors in and out. And one of them the other day was working on my closet. And he was like, you know what?

Your show is opening up a conversation that's so interesting because everyone thinks Mormons in Utah are one way. And he was like, you have no idea. Like I dated someone that's in like the polyamorous community where like there is a nightclub. Yes. Or like just open in general and like they don't believe in monogamy. And so there are literal nightclubs, I had no idea, in Utah where you have to be a member and you have to be that way, like open, and you have to have a membership, you have to

have a referral, you have to sign a contract, and you can get sued if you like break the rules. And he was telling me this and I was like, wait, what? So I thought Taylor exposed everything. I guess there's even more in Utah that I had no idea. So I don't know why Utah specifically, but maybe it's because everyone's like grew up so sheltered that now they're like, whoa, let's explore.

Yeah. Would you entertain swinging in the future if it was something that you and Jordan wanted to pursue? Probably not, just because I've seen how messy it can be and I can see like how that blows up a family Also in my last relationship where I wasn't super happy things did happen I didn't have kids and I wasn't I knew I wasn't gonna be in that relationship I'm not gonna confirm or deny that but I

Definitely my last relationship. I definitely like was not fully in it Yeah, and either was he and we ended up getting divorced. But now that I have kids, I just feel like that's another level of- Right, it's so different. It is. That's why with Taylor having two kids, like I feel for her in the sense of like,

this story will never escape her or her kids. Her kids are gonna go to school and hear about it. So for me, like, I just feel like in my situation right now, if I was unhappy, I would leave. I wouldn't like open that door to like a potential scandal that would affect my kids. Yeah. You know? No, for sure.

All right. Switching it up. We don't need to talk about swinging anymore. Back to the Afflecks, the fake non-Ben Afflecks. You didn't get invited to Zach and Jen's baby busing because you're a sinner. Yes. Did that hurt your feelings?

It actually really did. And I think like watching that episode back, you could kind of see like the emotion and the hurt on me and Denise's faces because we genuinely thought we were good friends with Jen. And at that point, I think we were only a few weeks into filming. And leading up to that,

I had been doing Jen's hair for like six months. We had gone really close. And even though she's like the most active member and I'm like the least active, we really had bonded. So I was like so put off because I think Jen as a person never would have made that decision. And I knew it was coming from her husband because I knew the dynamic. And so it was hurtful that she was letting him dictate that. And in my head, like if you're a Mormon that like wants your friends to come back to church, you would want to invite them to any opportunity to feel the spirit. Right. And so I was like, you're isolating me, which is going to for sure push me further away from the church because I think that's awful to do to your friend. Yeah. And so yeah,

I was definitely really hurt by that. And I think all of us who were uninvited were. Yeah. I just want to point out that he says you're a sinner and then goes to Vegas, gambles, rage-tacks his wife. I mean, that sounds a little sinner-like to me. It's the hypocrisy for me because literally me like having a flask or like going to Chippendales, which Jordan was completely fine with because he's not jealous at all. I love how chill he is. He's so chill. Yeah. Like I told you this the other day, like I'm not jealous at all. And he's that same way. Like not that like we don't care, but like, we're just confident and yeah. And so, and we just trust each other. So I feel like the fact that like I was making these like sinning mistakes in his

eyes, but then behind the scenes he's doing that and has a gambling addiction. It is. And like the text he sent Jen, he didn't think that was ever going to be put on TV. That was how he talks to her in his own personal life, which made it worse to me, right? Yeah poor girl. Yeah Do you speaking of the flask regret drinking that was it really that big of a deal? Okay, so I I love talking to people about this who aren't in like the Mormon bubble because that's such a normal thing I think to most of the world and to to give a little context, Jen, like, is the biggest, like, dancer, partier, a sober partier, but she loves to, like, go to nightclubs.

So the plan for that night was we had the BYU graduation party at Zach's parents' house, and BYU is the college he went to, it's a Mormon school. And then we were literally going to a nightclub, and Jen had booked us a table. And we were going out. So in Jordan's head, he was like, oh, I'm going to pregame. Totally. His drinks are $18. So we were just doing it in the hot tub. The party was over.

His parents were inside. We weren't like raging. You weren't being blatantly disrespectful. No. And we weren't getting drunk. We were just like pre-gaming. And so that's a normal thing in our world. We did not think anything of it.

And then it kind of became a bigger deal. And so I do and I did apologize to Jen and I do regret that it put her in an awkward position with her in-laws. Right. But and I apologize for that, but I don't feel like I did anything like terribly wrong, especially after what Zach's done. Yeah, and it was outside. Exactly. So. Who else in your group drinks?

Leila. Okay. And I think that might be it actually. I know Mikayla has drank before. I know they've had their like times. Mikayla's skin issues, like she, like she, it's kind of like your voice rest. Like she has to do certain things to like not inflame her skin. So I think that's mainly why she doesn't.

But I think everyone on the cast has had their moments, like a past or they've done it and then now they're done with it. But I would say actively me and Leila are the only ones. Okay, fine. The oldest and the youngest. Exactly. I'm persuading her, I'm bringing her to the bad side. Just Okay. Fun. The oldest and the youngest. Exactly.

I'm persuading her. I'm bringing her to the bad side. Just kidding. But also Layla's like single. Like this is her time to like experiment, have fun, date around. Absolutely. She should. No, she seems like a good time.

Yeah. Have you seen the social media comments that Zach's family made about Jen in defense of Zach? I think it was like his brother and his mom. Yeah. You know what it was like his brother and his mom. Yeah, and you know what? Jordan knows his brother. And I think the brother had said something like these fake girls and like kind of dissed the cast.

So Jordan was like, what the hell? But I think the hardest part for me about those was Zach's mom had said something like, who losing the business of destroying families and we're disappointed in Jen. And basically everyone but her son. And she was kind of like condoning his behavior, which as a mom, if my son was doing those things, maybe not publicly, but behind the scenes, I'd be beating his ass.

Like you get your shit together and treat your wife better. And I would hope that that's what she's done, but I don't think that's the case. And it made me really sad for Jen that they publicly made comments because that maybe felt to her like she was on an island against Zach's family now, whereas this needs to be between her and Zach. Totally. But I feel really bad about that. Like I can't imagine how Jen felt.

Yeah. I saw that she had said Zach bought her a computer when he had $10 in the bank. I must know. Is that like Mormon math? Yeah, me too. I was like, 1900 and like Mormon math? Yeah, me too, I was like. $10 from Zach, 1900 and like. Is it cause he gambled it all away? $99 from his Mormon dad, I mean.

Yeah, I was confused by that post and I'm not gonna lie. I think there was a part on the show, I can't remember if it aired, but I said to her many times, this is what I don't wanna see is Jen be treated badly. And then she goes back to Zach and he brainwashes her and she comes back and says, everything's better than ever, we're doing great. That is the dynamic I have seen in their relationship

with her being around. And that post very much to me felt like, I know you guys have all seen the shit, but we're better than ever, we're working towards it. Which if they're gonna work on it, I think that's great. Like I'm obviously not condoning divorce and like breaking up a family, but I know him and I feel like

there's no way they're better in three weeks, you know? And I also think that the fact that she made a post, Zach should have been the one making a post, publicly apologizing to his wife. The fact that she had to make a post defending him is weird. I will say Zach actually sent me like a four minute voice memo the other day.

I haven't told anyone this. Apologizing for what he said about me and Jordan and my old marriage like kind of bringing up rumors and just how he treated Jen in general. I didn't respond to him because at this point I'm just like not sure how to but I do commend him for doing that and I think he did reach out to all of the cast but for me I'm like but is this a ploy to like I don't know like to make us think you're changing but like I need to see longterm for me to like feel good in supporting that for Jen because I've seen stuff you guys haven't seen and it's just sad.

Totally. I saw someone online described Zach as a Provo all-star boy. I don't know what that means, but does that fit him? What is it? So, okay, so in Provo, everyone's like a sales bro. There's a lot of like MLMs and like, like just sales companies, like where they go out and do summer sales

and they make a ton of money and they're all like gym guys and like meatheads and stuff like that. And a lot of them have man buns. Like it's very much so like a stigma and a type. And I would say like, yeah, I think he maybe falls into that. I think Zach's a unique type of person.

And I don't think Zach's a bad person. I think that he has a good heart and I know he cares about Jen, but I think there are a lot of things he probably needs to work on, and I hope he does. Yeah, who's paying for his med school? So I don't know, because Jen, I think Jen,

I think Jen is, because I think his family was going to, but then Jen had made the decision, actually before the show, that she wanted to support him, because she didn't want strings attached to his family, which I think is healthy. Like, especially if like you guys have your own life and your own kids, like, you know, you should be maybe paying your way through that if you feel like money comes with strings. Right. So I think at this point it's Jen providing, which is why I'm like, come on, treat her better. Like supporting you through this. Literally. Yeah, it's been sad to watch.

I hope that turns around for her. Me too. And I honestly have not talked to Jen much in like a month. Yeah. So I don't really know what's going on. And I hope that if we get another season, we'll see more of her in that dynamic. But I think it's good she's kind of been laying low

because she needs to focus on her. For sure. And she's such a beautiful person that, like, I hope she can, like, get that spark back and not let him take that away. I think she will. If Brittany can get her spark back. Yeah, exactly. Then anyone can.

So I saw that Taylor went on social media this week and kind of confirmed that her and Dakota have parted ways. Yeah, I think her posts have been confirming without confirming. Yeah. But I think that there's been a lot of rumors out there. I've talked to her. Jordan's talked to Dakota a little bit. And I don't want to, like, speak for her, but I know they're struggling a little bit right now,

and I just wish them the best. I think they're both amazing people. I just think that maybe there's so much trauma between both of them with their past and their relationship that they need a little time to breathe. And the show coming out put a magnifying glass on their relationship. So I don't really know where they're at in this moment,

but I know that I'm just giving her my love and support right now. And all of us girls have like rallied around her and I hope that she can feel that. And she'll need that support. Whether they stay together, they don't, they now have a child together and I can't imagine. I do hope that if there is a season two,

we find out if Macy comes through with some receipts from Jenna. Do we know what happened there? Oh yeah, I think there's a story there for sure. So hopefully we get a season two because we were left on a cliffhanger. And I remember seeing it being like, wait, like I know what happens and I still want to know what happens. Like it was good. But there's definitely, I think, some wrap up to that story

that people will want to know what happened. It was good, but there's definitely, I think, some wrap up to that story that people will wanna know. Okay. Well, to wrap up this podcast, what is next for you and Jay-Z Style? I wanna know just where everyone can, can they book an appointment? Can they buy all the products online? You have so many things, so tell me all of that.

Yeah, we have a bunch of things. People ask me, what's your job? And I'm like, I don't know how to describe it because I have a hair salon, a hair school, a hair care line, extensions. I teach education. So there's so many facets of it. So there's something for everyone.

So I have hot tools that you can get the Utah curls with and shampoo and conditioner and serum. And so yeah, you can buy anything on our website, which is jazzystyles.com. Or you can visit the salon and get an appointment There's been a lot of requests for me at the moment I'm a little busy so I'm not like taking clients at the moment, but we have amazing stylist So if anyone wants to you can but yeah

I just I hope that my empire continues to grow it well and it does well so it's been fun How long have you had this lawn eight years? Amazing. Yeah, what got you into doing hair? My mom. My mom's done hair for my whole life. I love that. Yeah. So my mom actually is taking clients if anyone wants to work with her.

Oh, hell yeah. But yeah, so I've just been around it my whole life and I just kind of opened it on a whim. I think I told you in Brock this, but one of my biggest flexes is that I didn't graduate high school. I got my GED and I now have like a multimillion dollar business. So if you have a dream, you can do it as long as you're like willing to work for it. No, congratulations. That's so awesome.

Thank you. Last thing I'm gonna ask, can you for all the listeners pronounce your last name? Oh my gosh, I was talking to Marciano about this. So my last name is Nati Kara. And my husband and your husband are from New Zealand. So they bonded over that at lunch the other day, but he comes from that.

So like our last name is New Zealand Cook Islands, you know, not T. Cara. But my maiden name is Draper. And I'm like, I probably should have just had a stage name like Jesse Draper. So much easier to remember. Even though Davies is easy. I'm like, I just sheen of shy. I already changed it once. Well, you're known that way. It rolls off the tongue. I get it. So I'm like, yeah, Jesse Draper would have been easier, but at least it's a topic of discussion, right? Just call me Jesse. Just Jesse. Just Jesse. My Instagram name. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. This has been such a fun weekend and I can't wait to go to Salt Lake and come into the salon. I know. Yeah. We'll do a collab on my side of town. Definitely. All right. Thank you guys for watching and listening. See you next week. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans with Sheena Shay.

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