Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Till The Dirt with Tommy and MJ
Episode Date: April 8, 2022In this episode, Scheana and co-host Brock Davies are joined by Tommy and MJ from Bravo’s Shahs of Sunset. Tommy and MJ talk about who they are closest with from their fellow cast mates as ...well as give some insight on drama from last season. They also talk about the struggles of working from home while balancing your relationship with your partner and kids. A lot changes in relationships after having a baby – they discuss sex, intimacy and the importance of date nights. Also, has Reza met baby Shams yet? Tune in to find how. Be sure to check out Tommy and MJ’s podcast, Till The Dirt where they talk about their relationship from meeting on Tinder, to being married with a baby and everything in between.  Follow us: @scheananigans @scheana  It’s all happening for Scheana Shay. Get insight into what it’s like behind the scenes of a reality show, hear some hilarious stories, and be part of a live Q&A where nothing is off the table. Special appearances from other Bravolebs to be announced soon. This is a show Good As Gold that you won’t want to miss! Buy Tickets Here  Go to www.greenchef.com/shay130 and use code shay130 to get $130 off, plus free shipping  Go to www.modernfertility/shay and ger $20 off your test  Go to www.babbel.com/shay and get 60% off your subscription  Produced by Dear Media See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Hello, everyone. As you hear, we're good as gold MJ and Tommy. Hey guys. Hi guys. Thanks for having us. Thanks for doing this. We've been
talking about it for so long. I know. I think it's really important for people that are going
through such similar things as us to band together, have a little powwow, have a little kiki,
talk through all of our issues, which I feel as though we have a lot of overlapping
issues because yeah i am kind of like a late night tommy doesn't know this um but i am a late night
sheena texter uh-huh and then you'll answer and then i'll be pumping and then she calls me
they just go backwards and forth i agree i think it's going to be fun to have a chat because we
sit at home and you know what at best is the greatest thing for our relationship is watching. Uh, what's that show
called now? Oh, married at first sight because they give good relationship advice. But then what
they, what you realize is when these couples are together, then when they get together as a group
and the guys get together and the girls get together and they start talking about their
issues, guess what? They're all going through the same shit right well everybody is everybody everybody in the relationship goes through the
same so glad we're here because i got your back yeah so one of the nights that i caught like if
if sheena and i go in like three rounds of texting i'll just say can i just call you and that way to
me i feel like hearing a voice and getting the vibes across all the way
is what matters so you answer you put me on speaker and then Brock chimes in as I always do
so Brock was already listening to what I was saying and I was venting about Tommy
and that's when we realized we need to be here we need to sit down and record this conversation for the world to hear.
So we were talking about working from home and obviously Brock's working from home is much
different from my working from home and with you guys. So there are times where Brock is on a call
and when he's talking to the girls who work for him, I don't.
Not for me, with me.
With me, with you, whatever.
Okay.
So when he's talking to them, like I also know them, like I've become friends with these
girls.
Bullshit.
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, literally.
You're besties.
No, we're not.
We're not besties at all.
But I, I like these girls.
Right.
No, we're not besties at all.
But I like these girls, right?
So I just don't take those conversations always necessarily as seriously
as when he's on an investor's call
or when he has a hard meeting
with some big wig from whatever.
But there's a lot of times
where you're talking to the girls
and I feel like you're just bullshitting with them.
And so sometimes I'll interrupt.
It's called brainstorming, but she calls it bullshitting.ing but she calls it bullshit they're my co-founders so when
we have to get to a root of a problem we just start talking around to try and figure it out
it's a natural conversation you'll start talking about the show you'll talk about what's going on
in our friend group sometimes you'll tell them about what summer did today so i'm like okay this
isn't a serious conversation. I can butt in.
It's, it's, it's, if you were in an office space where we would be working, it would
be a normal work environment.
We've talked about projects, we talk about ideas, and then we, we, then we also are humans
and we still connect with each other.
So the conversations you hear me have are normally in an office, but now they're at
home where I don't have them.
It's the at home
aspect it's uh it's very very very very different than what we're used to uh-huh you know what i
mean how's it go for you because i'm at home it's awful because you guys do you guys i love being at
home with my little guy i love it it's the best thing on earth i would never like you there's not
a dollar on earth there's not an amount that you could give me to give that back.
It's the best.
Agreed.
And she's great too,
but she does a lot of what she just did,
which is where she walks in and kind of,
yeah, I'm going to talk.
You know what I mean?
It doesn't seem important.
No, it doesn't seem important.
Like our housekeeper.
I'm more important.
That's what that is.
Thank you.
I'm more important.
And you are important in my life, honey.
You really are.
Yeah. But we have to figure out how to important in my life, honey. You really are. Yeah.
But we have to figure out how to support,
like create a life and work for it.
Yeah.
Like I didn't.
It wasn't about money.
Even if you just needed that break to go like do your thing,
you know, just let me do my thing.
Even taking the breaks an issue.
Is it important?
Yeah.
It's for my mental health.
Like I didn't realize that he was on an important call the other day I didn't realize that he's
taking it in the bedroom normally he will go outside on our patio or he'll be downstairs
when I'm upstairs we have our new housekeeper starting right so I'm trying to show her like
the ins and outs and there was this one part in our house we have fucking termites and I forgot
to vacuum them up on my own so I just wanted wanted to show her like, hey, these shutters, open them if you can vacuum up the termites.
And so I walk in with her and he's like, honey.
And I'm like, what?
Oh, sorry.
And I was like, I'll be quiet.
Mid-pitch to a group of angel investors.
Why were you taking that on the bed in the bedroom?
Why wouldn't you go outside for some privacy?
You know, our new housekeeper is about to start.
Because I had my child my my partner and my
mother-in-law downstairs my mom who else was there the nanny was there our nanny was there
downstairs like hey guys because you're down here i'm gonna go upstairs and take this call but did
i acknowledge you i mean yeah no i don't think i said okay i mean i made it very clear got it
nanny heard us but you didn't but i didn't Not important. The nanny didn't walk in on you.
I did.
Not important, Tommy.
Yeah.
My bad.
I think the men can compartmentalize a lot differently from a woman.
Yeah.
So for me, I think it's-
We're all equal.
I think it's admirable.
Just don't try.
I'm going to actually throw you boys a bone and say i think it's really admirable
that tommy when he does go into his office his orifice he can stay super focused and whereas
my problem which is probably a clinical issue is that i is that i i have a really hard time
staying on task because we live at home.
And at home is also where all of our other stuff is, right?
So the fact a child naturally comes to mom more than dad.
Anyway, wait until like, you guys,
when Summer starts walking and talking,
she's going to be coming to one of you more
and it's probably going to be Sheena.
So I'm just saying like what I hear
from all of the tension in the room is that you didn't use Waze Rock, which you should have
on your way over here for whatever reason. And it's something you often choose not to do. And
that's, you know, it's funny because when you get in your car, sometimes that's the best break
that we have these days, because once we get in your car, sometimes that's the best break that we have these days.
Because once we get in our car, especially where we live in the basses, we can actually
not have any traffic.
It's going to be a place where it's like an escape.
Whereas before our house was the escape and our house was like this quiet, peaceful place.
Now it's like there's six different businesses and four different, you know, friends friends family and on all of the blessed help that we have to keep it going right yeah yeah but
as long as there's respect Tommy and I where we started out in our relationship with our baby
because I feel like once you have a baby a brand new life begins that you never had before and i think our respect has improved
between each other where like i might snap or he might snap at me but then there's like this
lingering lesson and that maybe a couple of months later we've conquered something well you don't
want to do things in front of the baby you know what i mean you don't want to it doesn't mean
that was in front of the baby no but it's not's not the point. I'm just saying there's a certain, you know, she's the mother of your child.
She's the mother of my child.
You know what I mean?
So when you get into a fight in the past, you might go to a certain point and be mean or whatever.
But now it's like, whoa, you're the mother of my kid.
I can't go too far.
I get that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So like, and the kids, he's here.
You know what I mean? I don the kids he's here you know what i mean i don't want
him to see certain things but they'll be more than happy to throw us under the bus real quick
so what's your guys living at home so you're working at home baby at home
yeah businesses and all that tell us about this did you have your office back home yes i've always
gone to work my whole life so i that's how i look at it when i go
in that room i'm going into work and that helps you right that yes go that maybe not the commute
but the best part about is having that room having your office that's how that's where you can focus
yes yeah that's where we can go all right i gotta get this done this done this done and then i can
go outside and play and then i can just step out the door and i'm back on the world but just as you
just said it i have a you, I have a whiteboard.
I have a daily to-do list.
I have my actual to-do list that I write in.
You have two massive to-do lists.
So I want to get all that done before I do anything.
And she's oblivious.
Oblivious.
You know what I mean?
She doesn't give a shit.
When she comes in, whatever it is, it's on the top of a...
Yes.
It's Viva.
It supersedes anything
that you have going on and it's like that really doesn't you know it really wasn't that big a deal
you know but uh you know what i i would like to rebut to that i bet you would um we can okay so
would you like me to make an appointment with you from like 1 p.m to 1 15 he's asked me to do that he's asked me to book out on
his google calendar time okay like that's extreme let's try it though thank you but let's try that
because that's a little extreme we're in the fucking same it didn't last very long i was like
for that time she's gonna use the whole fucking time you know what i'm saying like we're gonna
we're gonna cover a lot of shit you know
what i mean i could just get her out i could try to just get her out that's the other thing i i see
where we're at when she comes in it might be an easy thing all right let's knock it out but it
might be something where it's like so we need to talk about it off you know what i mean so
so you never know okay wait i'm literally wanting to implement this. So we're going to do like a follow-up in like a month.
And we're going to see.
Okay.
So first of all, if I don't.
She doesn't follow through on it.
It's all good.
It's all good.
So don't sweat it.
No, because.
We had three New Year's resolutions that we did.
And we didn't just do it.
It's all right.
I go down that a little bit like i'm gonna do
this i have this i have a whiteboard my to-do list whiteboard uh yeah it took me probably it
took me probably like eight months to write this whiteboard up but once we had it up there it's got
like a list of 20 things i want to do every single day and they're like and they're basic yeah basic
things but then i have exercise in hours say tell my kid and my wife i love them um i got make out
for it pass for one minute make out for a minute kiss for a minute it's just like little things
took me a while to get on there now i'm starting to get into him but i i do say you did it for like
two days you did it you checked most of them off for one day and then the next day and then it fell
off and then you get back on track it's tough it's tough it's tough look To get back on track, it's tough. It's tough.
It's tough.
Look, we know how to do it.
Yeah.
It's the doing it part with a family, a work, and at home.
And when I was solo, that list was all I had to do.
Yes.
Simple.
Yeah, things were easier when you were solo.
Now you have-
Now we're a team.
A team and a baby.
So it's a capital T.
Yeah, and when we're down in San Diego,
I mean, eventually I'm hoping that'll turn into
more of like a vacation home for us.
But right now it's our home, it's work.
He doesn't have an office.
It's just a two bedroom with an office space
that has turned into a nursery.
I have an office.
It's out on that balcony.
It's a nursery.
On a swing with like a little table and the bay. It's the best office. It's on a balcony on a swing with like a little with like a little table
and the bay.
It's the best office.
It's not bad.
But he doesn't have
a room there
to go into.
But like if the wind blows
then something
you were writing
can fly away.
If something happens
someone walks past
I look at them
so it's very distracting.
Or someone will like
recognize you
walking past
and then you start
chatting with them
and you're trying
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I love a good distraction.
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I know that you have two places and I know one is here, but the one that you're spending,
the one that you're describing is here or the one-
San Diego.
San Diego.
That's San Diego.
The one up here got worse.
I just lost my office.
Summer is now
playing around a lot more.
She's like, fuck this room. This room is awesome.
Her playpen is now my playpen for my
office. When I put it around my desk,
you stay on that side of the room. This is mine.
So here's the thing is we are so
blessed and fortunate to have
three beautiful places to live.
We have our desert house that i
own in palm springs we have our beach house which is our escape usually and then la is like our work
apartment but now when we're moving back to la in a couple months we're gonna have a one-year-old
who's walking around who's not just a newborn baby in this apartment that you could just go
into any other room with and she just sleeps right so not just that you could just go into any other room with and she just sleeps. Right. Not just that. You're going to realize everything can kill her.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you don't, when they start moving around, it's, no, it's like,
oh, wow, the corner of that and the plug, you know, the outlet.
Like, you're just going to think on a different level.
Like, holy shit.
And it's real intimidating.
So, like, you can't, you know, right now she might be in bed in the other room
and you could let her be there for a second when they start moving around you gotta see you gotta be
aware i hope i hope he feels that way because his whole like mentality is she'll be all right like
he doesn't worry about a single thing like do you guys ever worry about sham's choking or did you
when he first started eating well it's not that I don't worry about it.
No, you just think she's always going to be fine.
As soon as she makes that, I look at her.
I'm like, you've got this kid.
You've got it.
And then she's like, hey, if not, I'm there with the pat on the back.
A hundred percent.
I know, but it's just like, how does it feel to just like not worry about stuff?
Well, it's different.
Just to stick up for him.
It's different.
The dad in us, you have to do dangerous things in life as a baby carefully.
That's how they're going to grow.
That's how they're going to grow.
If you try, like even yesterday, we were at, for no rules, for Persian New Year.
Persian, shout out.
We were at.
Shout out to Persian.
Thank you.
We were at her family's house, and Shams was by the pool.
We're both standing there.
Vida had a heart attack that he wasams was by the pool we're both standing there vita had a heart attack that
he was but that close by the pool you know but it's like he's if you act this nuts he's gonna
want to go in the pool you know what i'm saying because and she's like the tide we're in the
backyard in a pool i'm like what do you think's gonna happen there's two of us standing right
here she falls in and it's a foot of water it's actually a she's like she's like you know the tide is gonna take him out the tide is gonna
take him out to the middle of the pool i'm like what are you talking about so yeah man so i i get
what you're saying yeah you gotta kind of let them go exposing the dangerous things in controlled
environments i just wish that you
appreciated or understood or could just get in my sick dark mind at times to understand how
much more chill i am out loud than what actually can go on inside my head i bet a hundred percent
i bet okay in our head thousand i get that but my my perfect analogy for what he said for like for letting someone learn is this
when you fall honey you have horrific falls you fall you bust your knee up you bust your face up
because i'm putting it down to this blame my mom you never fell over when you were a child
your mother called you every single time or didn't put you in a position for you to fall
over and i know this because she's such a good mother.
But that's why it's really important that there is a father in the house.
Because to me, your job is to do exactly what you're doing.
You don't ever want her to get hurt.
You don't ever want that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
His job is to make sure that if she does, she doesn't get too hurt.
Yeah, she bounces back up from it.
I see what you're saying.
She can bounce back and move forward.
So I think it's real important
because when you got i was raised by a single mother you got to be both yeah it's difficult
it's real hard you know but uh i think that yeah hats off to i was raised by my mom as well
i mean my dad has been obviously in the picture my whole life but they didn't get married till
i was nine so it was just me and my mom that's the formative shit yeah you know what i mean nine up to nine that's when it's you know yeah a lot of the stuff that you don't
realize now you're looking back and it's like holy shit that stuff i learned when i was a little kid
you know what i mean so i think that it's important that you have both dynamics to
to you know but what i hear which is just i'm kind of like just saying in an ideal world, we all
said that we want to be at home working from home because we get all the time possible
with the baby.
But what would be ideal for the relationship, the marriage, the mom and the dad would be
leaving the house, going to a completely separate place, not seeing each other for eight or
nine hours and then coming back home.
And that gives us like the,
carves out the space to be able to be out of each other's way.
And yeah,
instead of like the fact that you have to hear the sound of my slippers,
not that I,
my slippers are silent.
I hear other people's slippers like clomp,
clomp,
drag,
drag.
Like a giant. As if. Like a giant. She thunders around the house like aomp, clomp, drag, drag. She see five photos around the house, bro, like a giant.
As if.
Like a giant.
She thunders around the house like a Clydesdale.
All five, two of me.
I swear.
Like a Clydesdale.
And except when food's got out, then all of a sudden she turns into a ninja and you turn
around and the fucking food's gone.
The fuck happened?
She's got it in the fucking face.
She's got it in the fucking face.
Opposite taste in food, by the way.
Like anything that I like, he thinks is food By the way Like anything that I like
He thinks is gross
Rabbit food
And anything that I like
That he likes
I'm like
The difference is
She'll cross to my side of the street
She'll eat the shit I leave
And then
And then leave you with the shit
That you don't want
Yeah
Yeah bro
I didn't want that
I wouldn't
No
But to her credit
She wants to eat healthy
And I order shit So she's like you know
she'll eat the shit you know if you put it there you're gonna eat it so after having a baby
how did you guys because i know we saw a little bit on the show this past season but i want to
talk about how things change what i think people don't really realize necessarily until you have a baby,
your sex life changes,
your date nights.
You're just at that intimate time.
So how the fucking,
uh,
a pandemic.
Yeah,
exactly.
Throw that in.
Like,
what the fuck?
You don't even have anything to rely on.
Yeah.
I'm a voracious reader.
I read,
you know,
last year I read 64 books.
I try to read a book a week. There's no book. There's nothing to read because there's i read you know last year i read 64 books i try to read a book a week
there's no book there's nothing to read because there's no you know no one's been through a
pandemic you know spanish flu you know what i mean like there's nothing really to go back and
to look and say how do we live and how do we adjust it was crazy man and then we filmed on
top it was nuts yeah i think it's really you know, like the couple that the person you were five years before
you got married and then someone will tell you that, you know, when you have a baby,
you guys are going to be too exhausted for sex.
And you're like, no way.
Not me.
Not me.
We're never going to be too tired.
What are you talking about?
Sex is number one.
Sex is the most important thing in a relationship.
If I didn't have sex, it's not a relationship.
I used to feel that way.
Yeah.
And but guess what right now i believe strongly and proudly that sleep is the most
that's what i believe shit man yeah and you're giving you're getting sleep apnea too so i don't
really sleep well i'm so locked i'm tired that's true and so when you're giving your 100% best every single day,
and I'm probably giving,
not probably we're giving a hundred percent of ourselves to our kid and
then nothing is left except you want to not be sleep deprived and delirious
and psycho.
Then so be it for a minute.
It's such a fleeting time.
Yeah.
They're going to be in high school before we know it. And they're going to be going off to college before we know it i don't ever think we're
going to look back and regret being a really good mom or dad you know you know and thankfully good
point babe good point yes i agree and we also have had like epic sex our whole life and i think that
even we've had a good innings yeah we did well yeah yeah we can look back on those memories oh i hear that there is a moment like we're not we didn't invent this situation there will be a
time when the baby starts to enter toddlerhood and then you do recircle back to each other yeah
yeah okay and i think that will come and i think that'll be even better because the amount of
respect you have for each other for being able to support each other to do
100 of not in how many right like you said a lot of relationships focus on themselves but now we're
outwards but we get to come back together and to have that support oh yeah let's bang that one out
there used to be a time where like when i have it doesn't have it totally like there were there
were months that like tommy wouldn't get his haircut as often said he'd be in a grumpy mood because he needs that
barbershop shave you know or like obviously women we have more even more of those like our backs
our chiropractors that we need on speed dial so of course like of course self-care is understated
not taxed about enough yeah i do my acupuncture
twice a week and that's down in san diego but that's like the one thing i make sure it just
it also kind of doubles as like therapy because she will listen to whatever's going on she has
great advice she knows both of us very well but you do she didn't say a fucking word you need that
mental break you know what i mean you need that where it's like he's got the kid
I don't have any responsibilities right now
For the next couple of hours I could just be me
And relax
Again going back to the working at home
The quarantine all that shit
We're social beings and we need to interact
With other beings
Even if it's not even saying a word
Even if it's just you
She'll go out and get a coffee yeah you know she needs that yeah she needs that i like
yeah like there was a time in our relationship when tommy and i love to like right now this is
all banter it's positive we're like busting balls right but you went through it but yeah there were times when i was like i felt disrespected and
he felt disrespected and the worst thing that we've ever done to each other is make the other
feel bad yeah like unappreciated yeah and so we both kind of learned um that's the last thing we
want to do what's that what's word? I am not your enemy.
So when I take my stress out
100%
she's like, what are you talking about?
It's nothing to do with me. It's because you're my partner
and I feel like I'm entitled to talk to you
like this because you have to.
Men hold a lot of shit in too.
I like that.
We need to find someone to unload on.
Yeah, but I just am at the point too where
i just won't even react or i will lose my fucking shit yeah like it's one or the other there's no
like arguing in between i've spent 10 years arguing on reality tv i'm too old for that i'm
too tired for that there's too many more important things yes so now it's like when he acts like that
i'm just like okay all right are you done but that's also you found your person yeah you know what i
mean someone else you're not gonna just sit there and take that i don't give a fuck yeah
yeah but i can see it from like an outside perspective no but when you found that person
she does it with me there's times where i'm like a whiny little bitch you know i'll be the first
to tell you right yeah real good a couple of the worst you want to see me at my worst get me tired if i'm tired i'm like a whiny little bitch
bro i'm like a little and i get there but she'll just kind of just sorry i'll take it you know
today i'm gonna take it and i think he appreciates that right tommy you have to you know because
again it's happening like if you know if you
know you're happening and i'm not going out on the street to do it right i'm not gonna fight
some guy in the park yeah because that's what that's what would happen that's me that's what
did happen what the fuck did you just say to me you know what i mean like that's what's gonna go
down bro oh yeah we've seen i got fucking you know what i mean so it's like all right you can't
let that happen
I'll just yell at her for a little bit
Can we have a little update on that
On a Reza update
There were a lot of questions that came in
That's it
Go to Australia mate
I'm grateful for my wife
I'm grateful for my son
I'm grateful that we're all healthy
I'm grateful for
I'm grateful for the 11 11 uh is it sheena is it grateful rock i'm grateful for uh
several times a day yeah i said yeah i said a few along i like it yeah no it gives me that
you know i did you read 60 books last year how do you read so often what like what should they
look like for reading because i want to be better at reading that's on my list that's one of the
things so it's like i if she doesn't like I want her to look at that list and say,
I need to support him to get that done.
You know what I mean?
Like, he wants to, that's trying to better him.
You know what I mean?
He's trying to better him.
He's trying to better us.
He's trying to better our family.
I want to support him.
So, like, if I'm looking, because I check them off as I go.
And it's like, oh, shit, I haven't checked those off.
Maybe I should not come in here and
fucking ask him about the toy you eat today uh-huh you know what I mean like so that's our dog yeah
so I like that so you have to feed your dog so you got it's simple tasks to get done yeah but
if I can do them I have the same one but mine's in in our bathroom it's on my mirror on the white
board underneath so it's in my face now I'm like I'm gonna make sure but yeah it's just if i can do those little things but to read i want to become better at reading
and so with your work family and all that do you read in the morning do you read in the evening
when do you find time to get your or is it just however you can find time ideally when he's at
school okay and she's gone for her coffee school so i have the hour so that would be nap time yeah
i don't take an hour i have a book i'll give you
that will actually help you increase the speed of your reading and retain it yeah that's um retaining
we don't know about that one but i want to try and work on reading that's for sure yeah i have
a book i'll give you it helped me a lot okay a lot i don't want to read anything i don't read
anything like there there are books that i wish I could read I even have an audio book
I got to like the fourth chapter
and I was really enjoying it
and then I just fell off
and I just like
I don't have the attention span
to read it
if I need to
if I need to learn something
I will read it
just for that purpose
right
like I'll read every
what to expect article
and know everything
about
I love the who's who's
the people magazine articles
oh no
it said fuck him out of housewife
yeah bro bro we could get a dissertation dude And know everything about. I love the who's who's. The People Magazine articles. Oh no, Fitz had a fucking mouth of housewife?
Bro.
Bro, we could get a dissertation, dude.
You know what I mean?
She could write a thesis.
On why the fuck, you know, Luann sucks.
You know what I mean?
Bro.
She'll get deep.
She'll dig the closet.
Give her a book to read?
Yeah.
No, last year we were supposed to.
It was one of our. She's the worst.
It was one of our new resolutions to combine us.
We were going to read books together.
I pick one.
She would pick one each month.
Yeah.
I did.
So she got to pick first.
She made me read some shitty fucking book about cleaning your room.
It was just the Marie Kondo, obviously.
Marie Kondo fucking folding clothes and shit.
Fucking awful.
And then I gave her my book.
She's like, never picked it up.
Never picked it up.
But, wait, what's the
question? So, first of all,
first of all, Brock, I
see like a part two. I think you guys
are going to come on to our
pod and we're going to have
kind of like, I think the genesis
of this idea is unfolding as we speak, that I'm going to have kind of like I'm I think the genesis of this idea is happening as
unfolding as we speak that I'm going to send a screenshot. Am I allowed to of your boards to
Sheena? Yeah. And then yeah. And then we could see like how it goes down, because the the one
thing that we will fight about today is if like if I come which puzzles me if i come in to ask you if toy has been fed
i'm sorry honey i should be able to ask you a question like that like you shouldn't be triggered
by that it's not the question no no it's not if i said yeah she's not gonna turn around and walk
what food did you give her did you give her the wet food or the dry food
how much did you have oh by the way oh man one of the reasons why we can't even have like
we have to buy rugs area rugs that we can donate or garbage in a year because like we can when they
say like you can't have nice things we're one of those
people who can't have nice things because we like are heavy-handed and we you know like the wear and
tear is like ridiculous so obviously if we have a nice rug in our home i need to know if our dog
has been fed or if i'm about to overfeed her so stop with that i that. Like that's not cool.
Just always assume I didn't feed her.
Okay.
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You guys have your podcast, Tilt the Dirt.
Thank you.
Tell me about how that started, how it's going, working together.
I know you also have your YouTube channel.
Yes.
You guys are doing YouTube now?
Yep, man.
Yeah, he doesn't even know.
We feature each other on each other's channels.
So on the bottom of the channel, it says suggested other page i love that that's so good yeah yeah
well a lot of like-minded people are watching your channel i'm sure this is 100 and it's a
great way for you guys to really open up to your audiences and look that's it's the way we're going
you know absolutely yeah absolutely you can tell your own story. It's so true. Absolutely. I mean, we started this conversation talking about being able to relate and connect and
feel like you're not going through this life alone.
And the best way that we do that is with our reason for it is not self-serving.
It's more to be like, hey, guys, we've been through this.
Chances are we can laugh together going through it,
learn from each other.
And it incidentally did help us too
because when we retell the story of our lives
and our experiences like IVF, meeting on Tinder,
meeting the family, all of the different bumps in the road,
then he'll turn around and he'll say, you know what?
I didn't realize this until now
that we're going back and retelling the story.
Yeah.
Yeah, and you're always more objective.
You know what I mean?
When you take a lot of the heat
or a lot of the emotion out of the moment,
it always allows you to be more practical,
you know, going forward.
But it's just a retelling of our stories
from, you know, when we met.
And everything correlates.
You know?
Yeah.
Everything.
Anybody in a relationship is like, oh, yeah, it might not be the same thing, but it's the
same thing.
You know what I mean?
It's been a blast to do.
We've been doing it since, what, August of last year so far?
It's been doing real well, too.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Super fun.
Yeah, we really enjoy it.
Fill the dirt where anywhere podcasts can be heard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
So what advice would you two have for Brock?
I mean, hopefully.
Why was it the strength for Brock?
Because it's going to relate to them.
So hopefully.
We never know.
I don't know if you guys know.
We don't know.
We never know if we're picked up until like last minute.
And they're like, you're filming next week.
You know?
That's exactly how it is for us.
Yeah. It's the same thing.
So what advice would you have for Brock?
You know, this is still a newer relationship,
but you know, going into a second season, hopefully on a reality show.
How do you guys deal with just everything?
Do you feel like you fight more on camera, off camera?
Do you feel there's more tension when there's cameras?
Yes.
I definitely feel like there's more tension when there's cameras.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Look at that.
The one thing we say in unison.
When you're throwing the baby in the mix, it's even more exemplified by that.
So I think that.
Amplified.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's a tough thing to do, but there's worse ways to get paid.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It beats carrying cement. You know what i mean like carrying cement
you know what i'm saying these guys out there having a lot more you know a lot more tougher
job so but at the end of the day it's a lot like when you just see it you see the finished product
you don't think it's like oh that's so easy it's like nah bro it's 12 hours would you fucking do
it what you work today for 12 hours yeah you know what i mean because that's what it is yeah just
navigating parenthood, you know,
on a reality show and there are cameras.
You know, we were home from the hospital three days
before we started filming last season.
I wouldn't let that happen.
How old was Shams when y'all started filming?
Seven weeks.
Okay.
Okay, so we were very, very same time.
Yeah.
I think if Tommy and I would have started filming,
then it would have been right when he was born.
Yeah, they were looking to get us coming.
She was too young to be on camera.
You have to be 15 days to be on camera.
And when we got home from the hospital, I was hospitalized for five extra days.
She was like a week old.
So yeah, maybe nine days when we started filming.
Right.
Yeah.
So yeah, maybe nine days when we started filming.
Right. Yeah.
And so the way that that would have worked out would have been I was in labor and filming, the cameras were up.
But, you know, we did take a step back for several weeks, a long time.
Just to breathe a little bit.
Yeah.
It was a good move.
Yeah.
No, I have no regrets i'm i'm over here thinking about
brock because of your question sheena like when like i saw the most current season of vpr are you
watched it yes i walked through that shadow the vet of death i think but i think you'll be fine
bro because you seem to be but i want to talk in your skin and that's most important you did a lot in other words
like you put yourself out there so much you were so brave and vulnerable you were super honest
whereas a lot of people are not honest and open and i remember this moment when the two of you
guys were on watch what happens and someone asked you, Brock, do you regret
talking about such and such referring to your family?
And you said that you had shared it with Lala off camera, right?
And that was something that stuck with me where I was like, you know, that would be
one of those moments where you go back and you're like, fuck, do I regret that?
Because of all of the things that happen,
domino effect after,
Because it's not really fair if you're a good guy and you made mistakes a long
time ago to be now portrayed as Sheena's not good guy,
especially she deserves.
And you deserve,
but let's call the fucking spade a spade.
None of these people,
everybody on these shows has fucking skeletons in their closets yeah you know what i mean they're
not infallible they're not all great you were in trouble because you walked into a successful show
that's been on for a long time so they need they needed fresh blood yeah after a pandemic we haven't
filmed in two years and no jobs and no britney yeah that was crazy right because yeah i came
into the show well like when i met sheena we met in san diego i met her on my my my ground she
wasn't filming then we also had a pandemic so i was like oh cool and then nothing so if it wasn't
for that pandemic and we didn't have our relationship where i was comfortable in be a
different story going into the season when we started filming.
But then when we started filming and that started coming up,
I was like, well, fuck it.
Look, you know what?
I think now, I can say it now,
looking back on it,
I was more upset of the fact
that I had to deal with it, talk about it,
because I wasn't proud of my actions.
Right.
A hundred percent.
And then to be accountable for that
was the hardest part.
That was what was more upsetting.
But then when I realized, okay, if this is going to be a story like i'm going to tell you how it is yeah i remember going to lisa before i spoke to lisa i was like okay i'm just going to brush down
the rug we'll just move on and then all of a sudden lisa's like stop take a drink breathe
talk to me and i was just was like well this is what i did bang and then but from saying that i
was like at least now i know I'm telling my story.
My truth's out.
That's it.
Now what are you going to say to me?
And then fast forward six months, and then, well, look at this season now.
We're looking at a relationship where there's just me, you, Tom,
and Sandoval and Ariana together, and everyone else is having their problems,
you know?
Right.
Which is unfortunate, but I guess this is the nature of the show, show right we're all going to have opinions on each other's relationships i get
that so as long as i can stay true to what i am and have an opinion from there perfect you had to
keep coming back yeah like what you did or whatever whatever because i don't know you know i honestly
don't it's not my thing yeah you know what i mean watching this stuff but uh but you had to explain
you would know yourself a lot but once you do i did you had to apologize i did you know what i mean watching this stuff but uh but you had to explain you would know yourself a lot but once you do i did you had to apologize i did you know what i mean i don't mean i'm not
going back there again you try and bring it up one more time bro we'll see what happens yeah
oh it's just unnecessary you know what i mean it's like all right cool i was i did whatever i did
seven years ago and you keep trying to put that thumb in my eye with it it's right right that's
that's annoying that's the only annoying thing is that when you have to overdo an apology or like relive and it's like overdone feels like it's beating a
dead horse that gets really annoying because then people can have the wrong takeaway when you deserve
10 other things to be highlighted it's definitely interesting to understand like that reality world
like how because here's the best part about it.
Just because how I have one,
we have one conversation.
There's other conversations
of that conversation happening
and we don't see those.
Guess who sees that?
Production.
So they really understand
the complexity of what's happening.
And they really do
because once we leave this room,
we're going to have other conversations.
So they see that
and I kind of understand that.
I really-
Yeah, they see three, three four five sides to it
and they go oh we've got the best approach yeah and that's and that's and this is why this you
got their shows are so popular because without a filter that we have and this is how i took the
season on i'll get rid of that filter that little nice person on my shoulder i'll have an opinion
then fuck it yeah there it is and that's what the show everyone's like scripted i was like no it's
real events we just we just really lean into it.
Yeah.
And you have to.
You have to speed up.
And you have to have thick skin.
But in respect, I think for us, I respect Sheena and what she does.
And I'll let her offend herself.
I don't need to be the man to jump in and save her.
And she doesn't need to jump in and save me.
But sometimes it's nice to have someone jump in.
I'll throw a headbutt.
If I need to, there'll be a headbutt.
But if I headbutt anyone in this cast, they'll be in trouble.
So I can't do anything aggressive. We don't need you headbutt if i if i need to there'll be a headbutt but if i headbutt anyone in this cast they'll be in trouble yeah so i can't do anything you don't need to headbutt you have to do head butts with your words yeah i'll just sit there and smile and be like okay and listen sometimes
it's just like sheena it might not be lying mj might not be lying but there's just two different
interpretations of truth that's it truth is a circle it's objective bro you know what i mean like she
might really see it that way and you should really see it that way and you know someone
else could see it entirely differently you know what i mean and the producers who are trying to
be objective and have no dog in a fight they're just trying to put out all right well this is
this four different sides to this story so i'm gonna try and you know and we got time constraints
yeah i'm gonna try and edit it to give you the best view of each yeah you know but when it's you it's like no that's not how
shit went down you know what i'm saying that's how it was with me and red it's like yo that's
not how that shit went down right you know what i'm saying so i looked at it like they're protecting
him you know what i'm saying yeah but sometimes it's not sometimes it's just like we only got
so much time in an episode that's it you know what i mean and so Yeah. But sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's just like, we only got so much time in an episode.
That's it.
You know what I mean?
And so I think for us,
like for me,
understanding that.
Yeah.
It's not personal.
Yeah.
It's,
it's more than it's my,
it's all of that.
And I think if you can,
and I took that into the season and I look forward to the opportunity that
there's a lot worse ways to get paid next season.
Yeah.
A lot worse ways to get paid a lot worse ways to spend your time.
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One question that came in from divine underscore dermalogics wants to know,
how do you navigate friendships with people who don't like their partner?
So how are things with like Reza right now?
Because obviously, I know we touched on it a little bit, but are you and him still close?
So I'm really, really happy to say that Reza and I are working our way back to a good place.
And it has, we have been working on it for a long time now.
So now it's much better than where we left off before. So that's, you know,
it is difficult when I want to have something positive, but then if it's not all the way,
you know, okay with Tommy and Reza, then that makes me feel really anxious just even thinking
about it. So, you know, the bigger question would be like hopefully
the restraining order will
become a thing of the distant past
and that way like maybe they can start
you know, just kind of like
being what amicable
and you know. Cordial. Yeah.
The Reza still hasn't met baby Shams.
No, not yet. Wow.
Good thinking.
And he's how old now? You guys did that in unison he's gonna be three this year
damn soon yeah they do they grow up so quick it's like weeds that's crazy yeah we're gonna come to
your to summer's birthday party she's one and then yeah and then i want to keep her away from my kid
bro i'm just telling you she's a little he's a ladies flat. He's a ladies man, bro. He's a ladies man.
Another, a lot of people also wanted to know,
how is your relationship with Vida right now
and how has it grown?
Darth Vida and I are cool.
She's the baddest bitch in the galaxy.
You know what I mean?
She really is.
The Fosse is strong with me.
The Fosse is strong.
The Force?
Yeah, the Fosse.
The Fosse is strong with me.
I get it. But yeah. Listen, the Fosse. The Fosse is strong with me. I get it.
Listen, that's my mama bear, bro.
So I protect her.
I can deal with Vida.
She doesn't bother me.
Sometimes she goes a little too crazy with her,
and that's all.
Now I got a kid, too.
So it's different.
She's got to treat people with respect
when she's around my kid.
She's still really tough on me,
and she's great with the
grandbaby. So with her grandson. So it's good at least. Yeah, it is. But like, we're all in it
together. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you guys feel because obviously your mom plays a big role.
Thank God. Yeah. But like if there's a vibe that's messing with everyone's peacefulness,
Like if there's a vibe that's messing with everyone's peacefulness, then it's going to get into it permeates.
Right.
So with my mom, it's like a constant battle. We're like, are we going to have a good day or are we going to not?
And Tommy tells me that I'm always nervous, even like two days before I'm going to see my mom, because she's like just for Persian New Year yesterday.
She was like, make sure you look good
this year to make up for last year when you didn't yeah she basically rattled off the exact
oh yeah her mom has no filter you know it's like whoa whoa that's keeping you up man yeah you think
you think my mom has opinions honey no it's great i mean it's the culture as well though
understand also i don't know is your mother on the show?
Yes. Okay, Darth Vader's been on the show
for a long time, and
she's been, you know,
her fans, because she has
fans, love her.
So it's almost emboldened her
to do an act.
Hello, welcome to reality.
You know what I mean? So she thinks, like, oh, no,
I'm going to let it out.
So there has been times where I've literally had to kick her I mean? So she thinks like, oh no, I'm going to let it out. I'm going to let it go.
Yeah.
So there has been times where I've literally had to kick her out of the house
because like we had someone working with the baby
that she made cry.
Like,
you know,
people say you can't talk to like around the kid like that.
You know what I mean?
So my mom,
so my mom gets told all the time.
I wish you were my mom.
I know you don't.
So I'm like, do you though? Do you even know what you're asking it's tough like my mom should be hired to roast people and that's why like
she actually oh my god recently joined cameo oh yes it's great it's the fans it's great
no but like she's not gonna do what you want to do.
She's going to be very nice and very
kind. That's not what they want, Vida.
They want you to tell your daughter
that your daughter's fat.
They want you to tell your kid
or they want you to roast somebody.
She won't do it.
I'm going to go order a cameo right now.
You should put in the subject line
roast.
It's very nice of Papa.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's very thankful.
Someone,
yeah,
this one person
graduated from Harvard Law
and they were like,
tell her why didn't she become a doctor
like her mom and dad?
And my mom was like,
no,
but it's Harvard Law.
We're like, okay, you got to get the assignment, honey.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So who are you guys at the moment closest with in the group?
I know obviously me and Nima have our group chat.
I know you guys are extremely close.
Yes.
Which shout out Nima band.
I hope you're listening.
There he is.
He will be.
Yeah.
um which shout out nema band i hope you're listening there he is um he will be yeah so um we're close sherbin nema mike paulina um even gold nessa believe it or not some people think
that like we have a lot of you know a lot of love there though and then um i think that's everyone
so yeah that's good and you know i was just holding on to this question she goes she'll
make free she goes to the park and comes home with three friends and then we got to go out with them
you know what i mean that's good yeah i met this couple you're gonna love them
it's gonna be great we're gonna go we're gonna burn a saturday it's gonna be awesome yeah no it's true though i think i've become way i'm way more social and he just needs the
mets and he likes to cook his dinners and then food coma and hang out my kid his family yeah
that's it so even outside of that like she's got other friends
where it's like i'm good you know what i mean i mean no restraining orders obviously you know but
there's other friends where it's like oh she's gonna go hang out with so go you know what i mean
have fun see you now i get to hang out by myself today it's no you know so i don't care she has
friends that i don't like it's only. We come from two entirely different places.
You know what I'm saying? You couldn't, if you put
us on and said these two are gonna
work, people would laugh at you, dude.
You know what I'm saying? It's like, we
couldn't be more different or come from different places.
So it's only logical that she's gonna have
certain friends that it's like, I'm good, dude.
I think that if Tommy can't relate to the
guy, like if the four of us were to go on
a double date, he would only come if he would be like,
yeah, I'll have a good time with Brock.
Yeah.
We'll break bread.
We'll go out to dinner, do whatever,
or even like take the kids out.
He's all about doing something.
I'll always give one or two.
I'll always give one or two go outs.
You know what I mean?
But if like that first two were,
I'm not going for the third.
That's funny.
Have we done that?
We haven't really gone out with like couples, right?
We've met couples.
We should go out together.
We've had these conversations with people when we meet them.
We just did that in Vegas.
I said, I knew you would really like Johnny's husband, Rob.
You're right, actually.
I met this legend called Dird.
And then she was cool with us.
We have to go continue that relationship.
Yeah, we said we need to hang out with more couples and especially not not like to knock any of our other
friends but couples especially who have children yes who understand what we're going through at
home every day it's totally it's a totally different world yeah i hate to be that guy
because you know you can you hear that when they sound so smug like oh you don't understand you're
not but you really don't you
don't understand so and especially with a little one you know when they're a little older maybe
it's different right when you're 11 months bro like it's fucking yeah yeah dude you're in the
foxhole take a grenade but you know what's kind of beautiful right now is that we both all four
of us meaning us four have one child right now.
So if we, Tommy would be totally down
to also like do a Disneyland.
He loves to do bounce houses and he loves activities.
Perfect, there's one at the party.
Totally.
So like that's what he's always been into.
Like, let's go do something.
And then it's an opportunity where like Sheena
and I can hang out and then Brockck and tommy can hang out
and then you know there will be moments where we can be in charge of the kids and but you don't
you know two adults per infant is an ideal number yeah the ratio is good so you can have your guard
kind of down and like trade off and then i know for a fact that there are going to be moments that Tommy
Brock,
Sheena,
and I will say like,
thank God for today because it takes a little bit of that pressure off,
you know,
of that grind that we are all busting our butts for every day.
I think,
I think the biggest one from today is like,
you guys have gone through these experiences and you've come out of the
back to be able to talk about them.
Just doing that itself, letting people know what you're dealing with is normal.
You're going to come out. That's a big lesson for people to learn because sometimes that's the divider in them. Like they don't see the light. They're like, nah, this is not going to,
and then relationships break up. And I think, you know, it's.
No, but you just said it. We could say it. You could all say it, but you don't know.
So you know what I mean?
You got to know if you're with the right person.
If you're with the right person, then yeah, you're going to come out on the other side. But sometimes you start throwing too much shit in there.
And it really, it's like, you know, the other warts start to show, you know, and you can't.
I think that when Tommy and I, like, if we argue about something and I'll just take the boy we'll
go for a drive we'll spend the day at the beach and by the time we came home I feel like I've
given him the space where he can walk back from it and then we don't need to have these big
conversations like we kind of squashed it by just having a little alone time,
but there would have been a time where I needed to talk about every little thing.
And I needed to like work every little thing out. And I'm like, no, I don't need to like,
did you get it? Did you figure it out? Are you going to speak with like kinder approach next
time? And if I see that you do that then i'm good you know so i think she loves
me because that's i can't do that you know what i mean i can't have those fucking conversations
where we're gonna sit there for an hour i'll go insane you know so she knows that all right tommy
i can't do that she could have those conversations with sheena she could have it with you know
brandon or you know any of her friend group. But me, I'll go
fucking nuts. Especially if it's something that we're
fighting about. You know what I mean?
I just want it over with, dude.
We'd love to have you guys on Till the Dirt.
Yes!
You have to come to us. I don't think they're going to let us
into West Hollywood anymore.
Oh my god, he needs to diss my feet.
With an open toe sandal and no pedicure
in the last three months.
Stop! Stop! So you he needs to diss my feet. With an open toe sandal and no pedicure on the last three months. Stop.
I don't think they want us back on the side of the hill.
So you probably have to come to us.
No, no. You're going to come over to our house.
Yes. And we can't wait to see
and have you guys and see Summer
and celebrate her first birthday. Definitely.
No, I can't wait to come
and see your house. And
100%, like, it's important
to make friends with children and hang out with couples that are having percent, like it's important to make friends with and hang out with couples
that are having young kids because it is important to have each other during these formative years.
And at the age of one to two, they just parallel play. Children are not really interacting with
each other. So it's just about summer and the world that she's discovering by herself.
just about summer and the world that she's discovering by herself yeah so it's really just like nuggets of like other couples that are going through or have something to teach you it's like
what really life is about so i like are you gonna come out of here and say we'll hang out with brock
because sheena and i already know that we love each other. Totally, babe.
Locking down the second date on the first date.
That's really what she just did.
Especially once we're back in
LA in a couple months and we'll be here
full time. We do. We need
more mom and dad friends.
I mean, yeah. You need more friends
up here. They're already my friends, but
you know what I'm saying? We need to hang out with them more.
I think we have to make an effort.
Okay.
Well, it's really important for the kids.
It is.
She's not lying.
Like when, you know, you'll see them, you'll see how, when they get in an age group, they
just, they just gravitate to each other and they're off doing their thing and it's important
for them.
You know, they're with you all the time.
They're with, he's with us all the time.
Yeah.
Summer loves being around other little babies.
Yeah.
She loves it. Yeah. She loves it.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Well, thank you very much
for coming in, guys.
Thank you guys so much.
Can't wait to come on
till the dirt, you guys.
Be sure to check out
their podcast
wherever you listen
to your podcasts.
MJ, Tommy,
love you guys.
Thanks for having us.
Take care, guys.
And if you guys know,
because I didn't tell you
this yet,
we have a two city podcast a live podcast
that we're doing in new york yeah wait what yes so we're just wanted to make sure and announce
monday may 9th and wednesday may 11th and you can get the info from till the dirt podcast yeah we uh
we are part owner in new york we're part owner of peak vodka
peak seven vodka and uh they're sponsoring it really i'm from queen so it's like yeah
that i know uh it should be good it should be a good time that's so exciting and you know what's
so crazy is may 12th i'm doing a live shenanigans in new york no way wow that's why i text you
yesterday and i said, also,
what's your plan
for Hannah's wedding?
Because I wanted to see
if you could be a guest
for my live show.
That's why we're doing it that week.
Yeah.
Okay,
so now you're for sure coming.
I'm for sure going to be there
on the 12th
for my live podcast.
So you guys stay tuned.
More info to come.
Yes.
But yeah.
Exciting.
We're all finally doing it.
All right. Live podcast, baby. Let's take it on the streets. I'll be there. We'll be there doing it. Live podcast, baby.
Let's take it on the streets.
We're doing it in a bar too,
so it's going to be fucking nuts.
Yeah.
I'm so excited.
It's going to be a city winery.
City winery.
Okay.
And it doesn't overlap.
We can totally be there
for each other.
Bang, bang, bang.
Ours is at 310 Bowery Bar.
Love it.
All right.
Well, thank you guys
so much for listening.
And if you're in New York,
come and check us out in May.
Yeah.
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