Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Todd Garner

Episode Date: September 11, 2018

Film producer and host of “The Producer’s Guide” podcast Todd Garner joins Scheana for a round of film themed would-you-rathers, how to inspire young film hopefuls, what it takes to persevere, and the importance of constantly creating and practicing whatever craft you hope for. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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From Vanderpump Rules to Vegas and everywhere in between, it's time to party with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans, and now here's your host, Sheena Shea. We're good as gold. Because we're good as gold. All right, so today, you guys, we have a movie producer who has done some of your favorite movies sitting right next to me. who has done some of your favorite movies sitting right next to me. He also has his own podcast here at Podcast One called The Producer's Guide. It has featured guests like Adam Sandler, Shea Mitchell, Rebel Wilson.

Everyone say hello to Mr. Todd Garner. Hello. Hi. How are you? Good, thanks. Good. Did you like your intro? I did.

That was good. You're pretty cool. Oh, thank you so much. I don't do those, so that's good. I usually just start by going, hey, welcome. This is very professional. I like to talk my guests up. I like it. It's good.

Yeah. So you give me a little ego boost. Now I've got to change my format. Icebreaker. It's just how I do my things. That's good. So my show is called Shenanigans, as you know. So I usually like to start with a little game.

Okay. So I have a would-you-rather game. Okay. Are you down to play? Sure. Okay. Who is your favorite actor between the Garners, Jennifer or James? Well, you know, James Garner's name really wasn't James Garner.

Really? It was James Baumgarner, and he changed it. Interesting. Because he thought it didn't sound good enough, I guess. And I love him, and he's an amazing actor. And I've worked with Jen, so I would have to say I can't. I have to split my vote on that one. That is one of my favorite movies.

I can quote. 13 Going on 30? 13 Going on 30. Thank you. I watched it, no joke, like two weeks ago. Thank you. Yes. It was very fun to make. It's such a good one. Oh, thank you. two weeks ago. Thank you. Yes. It was very fun to make.

It's such a good one. Oh, thank you. I love it. Thank you. Okay. Would you rather only be able to make one movie ever again but win every award for it or only be able to produce direct-to-TV films for, like, lifetime hallmark for the rest of your life? Well, I got a family, so I would have to support them.

But I guess if you made one movie that won every award, it could be like Avatar, and then you'd be done. So I'd go for the win, do one movie that would win every award. Okay. Would you rather be Paul Blart in real life or only be able to produce Paul Blart mall cop sequels for the rest of your entire career. I would produce Paul Blart Mall Cop sequels for the rest of my career because we have fun making them.

Yeah. It was really fun. The last one. He's awesome. He's the best. I just saw him today. Hi, Kevin. The last one, we shot the entire movie in the Encore Resort.

Really? Not the Encore Resort. In the Wynn Resort. In Vegas? Yeah. The entire movie. No way. I did not know that. I lived in the Encore Resort. Really? Not the Encore Resort. The Wynn Resort. In Vegas? Yeah. The entire movie. No way. I did not know that.

I lived in the Encore the entire time. I just moved back from Vegas a few months ago. Really? Yeah. Why did you move there and then move back? So I was there. There's some scandal I noticed. No. Should I know this?

I mean, maybe. Is this for a man you did this? No. God, no. I don't know. I don't do anything for a man. Let me just say that right out there. I don't know you like that. No. God, no. I don't know. I don't do anything for a man. Let me just say that right out there. I don't know.

Are you like that? No. I had a job out there. I was headlining in a show at the Paris Hotel six nights a week. And where did you live? I lived on Flamingo and Koval. Isn't it great? How long did you live there?

Yeah. I was there for like five months. Isn't it great to live there? Yes. I want to buy a house out there. I can't go for a weekend because I'll die. Yeah. But I lived there for four months

for no problem. Totally. And now when I... Because it just depends on the mindset of how you go there. It's so different. Right? Like now when I go back

and visit my friends, it's like those crazy, like you're at a club and then you end up at Sapphire and El Dorado and all of this and it's one of those nights. But if you live there,

great, great restaurants. Yes. Oh, amazing restaurants. Great shows. So many. They're so cool to the people that live there. I loved shooting there. So anyway, yes.

So then I would be able to shoot those movies in fun places and do that. See? I like that. Because if you were actually Paul Blart, it wouldn't be that great of a life. Yeah. Because he gets pretty crapped on all the time. And he falls down a lot. Yeah.

So it would be hard. Okay. That's a hard existence. I like it. All right. Would you rather direct a film or star in a film? Direct. Last one.

Who would you rather be a personal assistant for, Adam Sandler or Rebel Wilson? Wow. Wow. Probably Sandler just because I think I'd do a better job because I've known him longer. Yeah. Because we're really close friends and I feel like I'd be able to just anticipate what he'd want more. But Rebel's great. But I just feel like I would screw up that job more than I would for Sandler.

I love Adam. I love both of them. Oh, me too. But I love Adam Sandler. He's the best. He is, right? He is the best. Yeah.

So you were mentioning before we started this today that Spencer and Heidi Pratt used to be interns for you. Spencer was an intern and Heidi was around. So Joe Roth was my partner, boss partner at Revolution Studios. And his son, Zach Roth, went to school with Spencer. John Avnett's son, Jake Avnett. Henry Winkler's son, Max Winkler. And I believe David Katzenberg was in there, who's Jeffrey Katzenberg's son.

And we had all of them as, and John Avnet's son, Jake Avnet, all were our interns. Oh, wow. And they've all gone to have huge success. Yeah. It was quite the group of young seniors from Crossroads High School. Definitely. Crossroads. Okay.

Yeah. And now the Hills is coming back. Right. Oh, is he going to be in? Wow, that's cool. Yeah, they're doing the reboot. That's great. It's actually the same production team who does the show I'm on, Vanderpump Rules. Oh, right on. So now a lot of them have left us to go to The Hills.

The crew, you mean? Yes, the crew. Not the cast. But it's funny because there are so many of them who are friends with so many of us i'm like we should just like merge it together do you like a hills meets jersey shore with a side of vanderpump rules all together all but in la but in la okay i like it i'm trying to put it out there you know i'm i'm trying there's three different networks there so that's producing that's what my whole podcast is about you yes you're just a producer right oh trust me i will be a producer since season one of vanderpump rules i'm like i'm gonna take all of y'all's jobs one day like i will be producing television i don't know that you want all the jobs no no all of the producers i was like one of you i'm gonna take it not everyone i don't want to do audio there's a lot i don't want to edit although you don't want to edit. Although... You don't want to be a boom operator. I can see that standing there with a pole over your head.

No, but like field producing. Okay, now tell me, I should know this, but also I don't really. And for all my listeners, what is the difference between executive producing and producing? Depends. Depends on whether it's features or TV. So that's why producing... That's why part of the reason I do this podcast is nobody knows what the hell a producer does.

Yeah. And I get that question all the time. So in television, an executive producer is generally the writer, is generally the show runner. That's like the job that is the person that's in charge. Okay. So for example, Ryan Murphy is the executive producer of all of his shows and the creator of all of his shows.

So that's the job you want, right? And so the producer generally is the person who really makes the wheels turn, moving around the equipment, moving the trucks around, things like that. It's really the flip in features. So in features, the big P producer is generally the person that's been with the project the longest, is there on set creatively, making sure that everything kind of turns out the way the studio or the financier and the filmmaker want it. And the executive producer generally is the person to either put some money in or is the line producer, which is the flip in television.

Gotcha. Which is why it's so confusing. Yeah. And then there's reality TV, and then you have field producers who are out there with you every day because our show is unscripted. Right. So- have field producers who are out there with you every day because our show is unscripted right so so i just had probst on my podcast which will probably air by the time this airs and we talk about that in that case producers are actually almost like writer directors so for you your

field producers are kind of writing in their head like okay you said this i gotta remember to tell somebody that so i can get you to have a reaction or them to have a reaction or in your standup, you know, say, talk about how you were feeling in that moment. They're writing and kind of editing the show in their head, the field producers. So in traditional, if you were on a scripted show, they would be writers generally. They'd be writers or directors going, okay, I need you to say this now. And so since there's no writing in your show, quote, unquote, so that –

No, no, there isn't. There's no quote, unquote. There really isn't. There's no writing in your show. I wish I could say that was scripted. I'm not saying it's scripted. No. But I'm just saying if there's bumpers, they say, hey, can you remind the audience about this?

Well, of course. It is a produced show. It's a produced show. It's not forced. So it's not – since there's no writing, that's what they're doing. So that's the difference between a field producer and the producers are the people that either created the show. Lisa is obviously an executive producer, which is what you want to be.

So it's like – and so those field producers are the people that are boots on the ground down there trying to make the show happen. And making sure the storylines that are being unfolded in real life can be brought out and told in a way that makes sense to people. Gotcha. A lot of our field producers have moved up, too, to other positions. So it's cool to just see the whole, pun intended, evolution of our show. It's a great production company. Yeah. It's like we missed

some of our old field producers then we have new ones but shout out to lindsey we got an amazing new field producer this season and she was amazing that's great she made our summer so your podcast is more of like a behind the scenes look at entertainment the entertainment industry and all that so tell my listeners like what who would you say, like, your favorite guest is? Like, what are the coolest things you've talked about? Well, I'm sort of a geek about this stuff. So my favorite guests are not necessarily, like, the – you know, I love Adam Sandler. Audience fave.

Yeah. I love Adam Sandler and Rebel and Isla. And I learned so much from them when I did it. And Shay is great. She's a good friend. But, like, I geek out over, you know, talking about the writer strike because that's stuff that's normally people don't talk about. And so the reason why I started this podcast was twofold. One was just everybody coming up to me and goes, what does a producer do? Or how do I become a producer?

Yeah. And that coupled with the fact that, you know, a couple of other producers that I've had on my podcast is a producer by the name of Marty Bowen, another one by the name of Neil Moritz. Marty has produced everything from Fault in Our Stars to First Man, which is – Oh, wow. And Neil has done all the Fast and the Furious movies. I love those. And me, we were sitting in Atlanta and we were all talking about how bad the movie business was.

And it occurred to me that Marty had eight movies in the can. I had five and Neil Moritz was about to go produce the next three, Fast and the Furious. And I felt appalled that we were even talking about that because if we're saying the business is bad, nobody has a chance. Right. It wants to come in. Like it's just – all the press is so negative about distribution and how bad everything is here that I just wanted to do something different and say, hey, if you're a young person and you want to do this, don't give up. You can do it. Don't listen to what the media is saying.

There's plenty of opportunity here. Definitely. I like that. Oh, good. It's very positive. Yes, I'm trying to be. Positive message to send out there. Thank you.

So you've done over 170 movies. Yes. Well, not as a producer. No, but just been a part of. I have worked on over 170 movies. Correct. That, not as a producer. No, but just been a part of. I have worked on over 170 movies. Yes. Correct. That's amazing. Thank you. I've been doing this long. You're just dating me now. Yeah. I'm just getting

older by the second. No, I mean, that's incredible. Can you pick like a top three fave that you've worked on in any sense? Well, there's been so many different. I'll just do one of the most fun movies I ever worked on was Con Air. Okay.

It was amazing. It was so much fun. I was a young executive. It was an idea that we had that we got made. It was Jerry Bruckheimer's first movie as a producer by himself. It's the most batshit crazy cast ever. It's so funny and weird. We shot in Wendover, Nevada and vegas and park city it was just so much fun in fact there was just an article written in empire magazine

for the 20-year reunion uh just how crazy that movie was and how how nuts it was to make it it was really fun um and then in terms of just like seeing something just amazing being made, I worked with the Coen brothers on Oh Brother Where Art Thou, which was just amazing to watch those guys work. Yeah. And I did one of Adam's first movies, The Waterboy, which was really fun. Really? Yeah.

Because we were young and he was doing something weird. I love that. We became really, really good friends. So that was just really fun to work on. And then I did Black Hawk Down, which is really important. Amazing. To me. And my wife's brother was in the military, so it was super important to make that movie.

And so that's probably a top five. Yeah. I mean, those are all incredible movies. It's amazing that you've been a part of all of them. How did you get into producing, like in the beginning? Well, I started out as an editor. Okay. So I was in, I thought I was going to do theater. amazing that you've been a part of all of them. How did you get into producing like in the beginning? Well, I started out as an editor. Okay. So I was in, I thought I was going to do theater. I thought I might do standup and then that's really hard. And I'm not. Have you ever done theater or standup? I did theater and I tried to do standup. It's really hard. That's why all my best friends are

standups because I just know how hard it is. I think if someone could write the jokes for me, I'm great at delivery, but to just like, you know. It's so personal. Yeah. You really have to talk about yourself. Exactly. Yeah, never tried it. I did.

It was not great. And then, so I became an editor, and then I was an editor for a while, and then I just realized that's not what I wanted to do. I really did want to be a producer. I was producing, you know, high school theater, little movies and things like that, student films. And so I went from being an editor after graduating from college to going to work at a bank because I thought I would go to business school. So I

worked at Wells Fargo Bank for a couple of years. And then before I made it to Stanford Business School, I got offered a job at Paramount Television to be one of the accountants for the Arsenio Hall show. Oh, wow. So that was my first job on the Paramount lot. And I did that, and it was amazing. So, like, Bill Clinton would come and play, you know, saxophone, and Eddie Murphy would come and be on the show. It was wild.

And that's where I really learned, you know, what a studio did. And then from there, went back to school, went to UCLA Extension. You're a Bruin? No, no, no, it was just UCLA Extension. It was not like, no, I actually went to Occidental College, which is a tiger. It's a tiny little school in Eagle Rock. And then from there, I figured out that there was this job called a creative executive, and that you kind of had to be an assistant first. So I went and got a job as an assistant at Columbia Pictures. And then I went to Disney a year later and was at Disney for 10 years. That's right. Yeah.

Okay, so tell me about working at Disney. I'm obsessed with Disney. It wasn't Disneyland. No, I know it wasn't Disneyland. But just like I grew up watching. I mean, in the late 80s, early 90s, like I grew up with the Mickey Mouse Club and just like all of that, like Disney. I started at Disney very shortly after they had released Pretty Woman.

Oh, OK. It was at the heyday of Touchstone Pictures. They had just released Pretty Woman. I worked for Touchstone. And they, you know, they were doing, you know, What About Bob and, you know, a bunch of incredible movies. So I was there for 10 years and, and it was really an amazing experience. I saw a lot of change. I worked for Jeffrey Katzenberg very closely, and he was great.

He taught me a lot, almost everything I know. And then when he moved on, Joe Roth took that job, and he became my boss, and that was a completely different experience. And I just – he's still my mentor. And so I went with him post-Disney to start Revolution Studios. Awesome. Thanks. That's so cool.

Literally, I was just reading your bio and all this stuff last night. And then I also last night watched Tag. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Did you like it? I loved it. Yeah. So I had a little Sunday Funday. we did football game i'm a chargers

fan we lost but i was at the game after that i had some friends over for a sunday fun day and then everyone starts leaving and i was like but i wanted to watch a movie so one of my girlfriends stayed over watched it with me we both absolutely loved it great the whole movie was entertaining like really i'm not just saying that you're're sitting here. It was just a great cast. Great cast. They were great. Everyone. It was so much fun to make. We made that in Atlanta. Isla Fisher was hilarious. I mean, she's amazing, but just

so funny how into the game she was. What was it like? I'm not sure how many movies you've produced that are based on a true story, but how is that different than doing just a purely scripted movie that's not based on a true story? I've made a lot of movies based on true stories. A lot.

A lot of both – more inspired by true stories. You know, a lot of dramas, a few comedies based on, like, anger management happened to a friend of mine. And so, like, a lot of Con Air was based in truth. There is a thing called Con Air. And so it's limiting in a certain way. But for this movie, it was especially interesting because you would never believe it. Everybody goes, people have actually been playing tag for 35 years. Yeah.

They have. And I'll show you at the end. No, that was the coolest part. At the end, we're like, oh, my God, this is real footage. I love that when you see that at the end of the real footage, like at the end of Selena. And then you actually see Selena. And it just brings the movie so much more to life because you realize that these people were based on true people. Yeah.

And so these guys have been playing for that long. And a lot of those tags that are in the movie are real life tags. Yeah. Things that they had done before. Yeah. When you see the golf carts and for that long, and a lot of those tags that are in the movie are real-life tags. Yeah. Things that they had done before. Yeah, when you see the golf carts and all of that. It was so cool. Oh, thank you. So how did this come about?

Was it from the Wall Street Journal that you guys got the idea to do the script? Yeah. A friend of mine, his brother knows the Tag Brothers. Okay. He was from Spokane, and he is a writer that I've been friends with for years. And he called me and said, you have about 36 hours to figure out how to do this because it's going to hit the Wall Street Journal and it's going to be a huge thing. So we called the Tag Brothers and talked to them and said, look, this is what I do for a living. You know Mark Stilen.

You know me. We're going to take care of you. We're going to do the right thing. We promise you we won't use your real name so you know but you'll be as involved as you want to be or not and they agreed to do it and then 36 hours later the wall street journal article dropped and it was a feeding frenzy but we had already had the drop on them and in fact what's funny what what's funny is one of the guys um he thought his real name was used and he was having a complete, complete anxiety attack about it. Because he was like, I have a real job and I don't want people to know exactly what a thing. And I go, yeah.

And he goes, yeah, I heard you're using my name. And I go, what? And he goes, yeah, I heard Brian Dennehy is in the movie. And I go, he is in the movie. He's an actor in the movie. So one of the real guys' names heard Brian Dennehy's in the movie. And I go, he is in the movie. He's an actor in the movie. So one of the real guys' names is Brian Dennehy. Is the same as the actor. No way.

And he had heard, you know, Brian Dennehy's in the movie. And he thought it was his name being used. And it was actually the actor. Did that actor play that character? No, no, no. Oh, OK. That would have been a coincidence, too. Jon Hamm played his character.

I was like, I know we didn't use your name. And then I'm like, oh, my god, the actor Brian Dennehy is actually in the movie. So you run into funny things like that. But for the most part, you really just try to be understanding that it's somebody's life. So you don't want to like, you know, that's a trust. You don't want to break that trust. You want people to feel proud of it. And they love it.

The Tag Brothers love this movie. Yeah. So it worked out well. So in the movie, there's five of them, but there were more in real in real life yeah there were like 12 in the beginning and 10 are still playing wow there's a priest one of them's a priest oh i saw that i saw that picture he was actually the one who got cancer so like okay see i was wondering if that part we were wondering if that was true true and he lived and they came to his bedside mean, it really just is a movie about, as silly as it is, it really is a movie about friendship. And about the things that we, especially men, do.

Yeah. To stay in touch. Like, to go to tailgates and fishing and stupid shit like that. But yeah, these guys play tag. So every May, these guys got together. Was it once a year? Yeah. In our movie, it's every May.

It's once a year, and it's every February. They do it every February. Okay. Yes, but yeah, they do it once a year. And it is balls movie, it's every May. It's once a year, and it's every February. They do it every February. Okay. Yes, but yeah, they do it once a year, and it is balls to the wall, man. They get after it. They do crazy stuff. Was there really the one guy who had never been tagged, or was that for a movie? That was for a movie, but there was a guy who didn't get tagged for a long time, and

it became a source of irritation for the other guys, and they did band together to try to get him group tags, a lot of group tags. That's awesome. But there was a tag at a funeral. There was a bunch of tags of birth, just like in the movie. A lot of that's all based on real life, yeah? After 35 years, you have a lot of stories.

Yeah, right? A lot of stories. And then there was like the fake miscarriage. That was not real. Okay. That was creative license. You know, I mean, it made it very interesting because you're like, wait, wait, wait. Did she?

No, they're faking that, but was it real? And it's like. She. That was a smart move. Leslie Bibb's character is based on a real woman who is ride or die for her husband. Yeah. She has thrown blocks. She has helped him dive out windows.

She is a beast at the game so yes so leslie bibbs character is based on her and then isla's yeah is based on another woman who like always got the shit kicked out or like broke her femur well again not her femur like ankle at one point yeah got pushed downstairs i mean she this poor woman she was the one whose birth it was at so isla's sort of based on her so, they're all loosely based on her. Yeah. I love that. It's always like straight out of Compton.

It's like I grew up listening to all of that rap growing up here in Southern California. But to then see the movie and to know so many of the characters, the people behind it. And it's just like, it's so interesting to see that in a movie. Yeah. Love it. How many scripts do you read like in any given week? And like are a lot of them like shitty or are a lot of them good? Both.

So it's not, you know, it's not like there's piles and piles of scripts in my job. I wish, you know, but it's not like I'm piles and piles of scripts in my job. I wish. But it's not like I'm getting submitted so much stuff every week. I'm not an agent or a manager where I'm reading everything that's coming in. So I have my own projects that I'm reading and trying to make great. So we're trying to take them from good to great or great to better. But you are being submitted quite a bit of stuff that just isn't right for you. It doesn't mean it's good or bad it just doesn't feel like you're the best person to

take it to the you know finish line and I you know the part of being an independent producer although I have a deal at Paramount now but part of being my job is I don't really get paid till the movie gets made it's not like I'm getting a paycheck the entire time yeah so I it's really on me to get the movie made so you have to pick and choose you know your battles to figure out which ones you really want to take to the finish line because it's not it's so hard for sure how do you think um the post weinstein hashtag me too movement has changed hollywood well yeah it's that's a trick like did it change like how you approach films or like like making sure there's no you know like pay disparities or anything well that's different there's two things that are going on right one is sort of the the sexual harassment part of it

which is loathsome and obviously should not be in any industry let let alone ours. And so in terms of that, we don't allow that in anybody around me. We don't allow that. So it's not like that changed us because we already had that point of view going in. But in terms of pay disparity and things like that, I'm lucky enough to work with people like Rebel Wilson and Julia Roberts and Cameron Diaz. And I've worked with incredibly successful actresses that make so much more than me. So that's not really been an issue for me. But I think there needed to be a reckoning in the world, not just in our business. And I think that people that have the strength and the power now to stand up, it's a good thing.

In anything, in any sort of inequality. If this gives people the strength to finally break through and stand up, then it's always a good thing. Yeah. And in terms of the people that have been accused and proven to be doing this, they deserve to get what they got. That's just the fact. Yeah.

True. So I think it's a good thing and i think it's every industry should be doing the same yeah definitely have you noticed a change in conduct or like behavior like behind the scenes since all of the me too stuff again not really because not like we have a it's not like we have a set that really allows that kind of stuff right but if people are like more cautious or like, you know, just like you don't want to. I don't think so. Like I know some like older men in this industry who I've met, like I go up and give a hug to and they're like, and I'm like, I'm just a friendly person.

I just, I am a hugger. But I've noticed that certain people can be more like standoffish now. Are you me tooing people? No. Maybe, maybe you're, do you want to get something off your chest? Are you, are you noticing people acting differently towards you since you're two? No, I just – no, not to me. Just in general, I think some men are more cautious with how friendly they may be in introductions.

And I'm like, oh, no, I'm just a hugger. Like that's all. Then, yeah, I don't – again, I think hopefully everybody just uses common sense and dignity and have a good moral compass and aren't doing things like that. It just feels like – I got to tell you, I think part of the problem is it just seems so insane that it's sort of hard to believe. Right. So I think everybody's first reaction before this movement was, what? No way. No one's going to do that.

reaction before this movement was, what? No way. No one's going to do that. No one's going to show up at the Peninsula Hotel 175 times in a row. But that seems excessive. Right. And then you find out it's true and you're like, oh, okay, well, that's true. And then you hear the next thing and you're like, really?

That doesn't seem logical. And then you find, whoa, okay, so now I think everybody's eyes are open. Yeah. And it's like, no, there's creepy shit that happens out there and it can happen. And so that's good too because I think part of the problem wasn't necessarily that people like weren't believing it for a bad reason other than they don't do that kind of thing and you can't imagine someone doing that. So you're like, really? That doesn't seem like it can happen. And now everybody realizes, no, no, it can definitely happen. Yeah.

And we need to open our eyes and you need to believe people when they speak up. Definitely. There's, what is this show? Rose McGowan. There's a show she did that's all based on that, right? Have you seen it? Her documentary? Her documentary, yeah.

Well, I mean, obviously she's a big advocate for it. She's sort of been the face for it from the beginning, which is good. And she's a great talent and a great person. And she's obviously, rightly so, feels very strongly about it. And so I think it's been good to have somebody who is unrelenting in getting the message across. Definitely. Well, on a more fun note, out of the films so far released in 2018, which were the ones that most excited you? Well, obviously.

Yours that you've worked on or others. I'll take mine out of it. But I'm saying you can pick yours if it is. Some of it's going to sound super boring and cliche and sort of has been said a thousand times. But obviously the new horror stuff is so freaking cool. Like the splits and the get outs. Yeah, get out. That was so dope. And Quiet Place.

All these things are like elevating horror to such a very cool level. So I think that's really, really, really cool to see. The horror movies are getting better. Because really talented filmmakers are going into that genre.

That's the way it used to be. It used to be back in the day The horror movies are getting better. Well, because really talented filmmakers are going into that genre. Yeah. And that's the way it used to be. I mean, it used to be back in the day, you know, John Carpenter and, you know, these guys were the horror masters. And then it sort of became a little bit rote and people just thought, ah, do some jump scares and it'll be good. Now these really – James Wan – these really talented filmmakers are going in and really making them great. I mean, you know, I mean, Night Shyamalan's a genius. Yeah. These guys are, you know, Krasinski did an amazing job. So they're really taking that art form to the next level.

So that's super exciting. Yeah. And I do think the superhero genre is really exciting because great filmmakers, Ryan Coogler doing Black Panther was spectacular. Yes, saw that. And The Last Avengers was insanely amazing. The Infinity War? Yeah.

Okay, I still haven't seen it. It's on my on-demand, but I watched Tag first. But you don't, thank you. But you know you don't get a pass now. We can tell you how it ends, right? What? Are you still telling people, don't tell me how it ends? I mean, you can tell me how it ends.

I'm still going to watch it. I'm obsessed with Guardians of the Galaxy. This is the best one by far. Okay. And it's so ballsy what they did in a big studio movie. They took a lot of chances. So that's super interesting. And then,

you know, there's just been this resurgence of like really good, you know, dramas that have been sort of ignored and it's like,

it's cool that they're coming back and both on television and in film. Yeah. So it's been a cool year. That's crazy because like all the movies you said I've actually seen. That's good.

And like last year there was probably, I don't know, like six months it went by where I hadn't seen a single movie. And it was like all the awards are coming. I'm like, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. But then once I got back from Vegas, I was like, okay, I'm getting back in it. I'm catching up on the movies I missed because I was doing a show.

I had eight shows a week out there. Wow. So it was every single night. And then on Wednesdays I miss because I was doing a show. I had eight shows a week out there. Wow. So it was every single night. And then on Wednesdays I was off. I would fly back. Tuesday night after my show, do my podcast here, fly back, do a show. And it was just like nonstop. And so were you off Andrew Pond rules for that whole time or were you on hiatus?

We were on air. Okay. So we film primarily in the summer. And then like right now is when we're like finishing up the interview, confessional things. But the storyline takes place in the summer and then like right now is when we're like finishing up the interview confessional things but the storyline takes place in the summer. Now do you have to work be honest

do you have to work at Vanderpump as a server? At Sur. For real? At Sur. At Sur. Yes.

We're still there. Wow. Not nearly as much. Because you know that's where I saw you. I saw you. Yes. That's where we met

the first time. And you had just gotten engaged too. Oh God. So that was like five first time. Yeah, and you had just gotten engaged too. Oh, God. So that was like five years ago. Yeah, I didn't say it. I didn't say it was yesterday. I said I saw you there.

Yeah. And I was very impressed that it is a real thing. You guys actually are. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you know, now we have so many other amazing opportunities like this. I had Vegas and other things that pay the bills. So I'm definitely not there four nights a week like I was when I needed that only to pay my rent. But you were an actress before that. I still am. I just moved back from doing an off-Broadway show. This is not judging.

I'm saying you were on like 90210 and other shows before Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. So you were an actress and then you became a server, and then got cast? No. So I was always a server. Since I was 16, I've worked in a restaurant. And doing small arcs in TV shows. Yeah. Oh, that's cool.

So my first job in L.A. was in Beverly Hills at the Grand Havana Room, where Adam Sandler used to come in. Yes, sure. We all remember there. Steven Seagal. Oh, sure. Oh, my God. I mean, I met Sylvester Stallone,

John Mayer. Every A-list person went to the Grand Havana room. So that was kind of my first stepping stone into the entertainment industry. I met my first, I was with Uber Warning Models and then they got like a theatrical department and then that manager split off and did his own thing and so

that kind of, that restaurant started me out with my acting career and I booked several guest starring some reoccurring roles on television and I absolutely loved it and I felt like right as I was getting a good momentum going Vanderpump Rules came about and I was very very anti doing the show I was like nope nope I'm good didn't do the hills don't want to do this like I'm focused on acting it's finally like I nope, nope, I'm good. Didn't do the hills. Don't want to do this. I'm focused on acting. It's finally, I'm getting consistent work. I'm paying my bills. I had

a few national commercials running. Everything was going really well and then Lisa Vanderpump is a very convincing person. She was like, I just need you to come, sit down, have this meeting, just hear us out and if you don't like what we have to say then you can go. So you went from being a server at Havana Room to being a server at –

Villa Blanca in between. Villa Blanca, right. Yes. That's where I saw you, by the way. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So after things didn't work out at Grand Havana for personal reasons, I –

I think I saw that story arc or something. You know, apparently you're not supposed to fraternize with members. Oh, yeah? He was a New York member. I didn't know. You know what's funny is my wife, who hosted the World Poker Tour, used to do poker nights there. She used to host poker nights. Oh, those Tuesday or Wednesday nights.

I don't know. I remember those nights. I don't know. There was the Every Other Tuesday crowd. Oh, no, I'm sure there was no. No, she's very legit. I don't know. I remember those nights. I don't know. There was the every other Tuesday crowd. Oh, no, I'm sure there was no. No, she's very legit. I don't know which one it was. No, no, it was like there were like set games that we had in the room.

So we knew if we were working Tuesday, it was either going to be this game or that game. If we were working Wednesday, it was this game. I see, yeah. So she did one of those. I don't know which one. I used to be so good at poker, too. And then I moved to Vegas, and I was like, it's been 10 years since I played. I don't remember Texas Hold'em.

You've got to be careful, too too now with Texas Hold'em. Yeah. Oh, definitely. No, it was so long ago. But I was like the one who would sneak in. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. And then I would just take everyone's money. That was like 10 years ago though.

Genius. But so, yeah. So I was politely asked to not work there anymore. And I called one of my friends from college and I was freaking out. It was like, the owner though, I will give a shout out to Stan at Grand Havana. He was amazing. I got a great severance. All my bills were taken care of.

Like I was very broke at that time. I'm like 23 years old. Like my acting wasn't fully kicking off then. And so I call one of my friends from college. I'm like, didn't you just say you started working somewhere in Beverly Hills? Like I need a job now. Like my bills are paid for the next three weeks. After that, I don't know what I'm doing unless I book a job. He was like, yeah, this place called Villa Blanca opened two days ago. You should come by. I go by, I meet Ken Todd.

He had the most like sarcastic sense of humor personality that we just hit it off right away. And he's like, can you start tonight? And I was like, oh. Perfect. Okay. There you go. Awesome. So I did. I worked a double the next day, and then I was just part of the family. So somewhere you still have three weeks pad that you can use whenever you want. Yeah, exactly. So I started there, and then like a year and a half after that restaurant opened, Lisa

Vanderpump was cast on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So then that production started up. And from them filming between Villa Blanca and Sir, when Lisa is there for lunch but having to also be the boss, they were like, huh, I think we have a show in this show. So October 2011, we shot a pilot. Lisa asked me to start working at Sir as well. And Sir was like the cooler of the two restaurants so it was like an honor to be asked to work at sir that's cool so we moved over to there

and then from the pilot became a show we got picked up in january we started filming that summer and seven years later wow here we are that's amazing it crazy. That's a long-running show for any show. Yeah. And to have the same full cast from the beginning. Wow. All of us are still with the show full time. So it's like, that's also unheard of. I think I just saw, and forgive me if I'm wrong, were you just in a party bus with Randall Emmett?

Yes. He's a good friend of mine. There you go. Yeah. I saw it on social media. Yes. a party bus with Randall Emmett? Yes, he's a good friend of mine. There you go. Yeah, so... I saw it on social media. Yes, Lala Cash's... Cash engagement slash birthday.

Yeah. He's a movie producer. Yes, I know. Very successful. So his movie, which Lala is the lead in, The Row, just came out.

It was amazing. She did an incredible job. I really think she made the movie. I'm not just saying that. She's my friend. She made the movie. So I was like, that. She's my friend. She made the movie. So I was like, so Randall, so like for the road two, do you need some extra sorority girls to kill?

Because you know I'm like back with the acting bug. That's perfect. I got back from Vegas and I was like, oh no, no, no. Like I'm getting back into this. I got new headshots. I got back with like my old theatrical manager. Got in some classes with Lala. Perfect. new headshots. I got back with my old theatrical manager, got in some classes with Lala. So yeah,

I felt very motivated coming off doing a show and acting every night to get back into it. Because when Vanderpump started, I was doing so much acting and I really thought that this show would take away from it. And they're like, no, we want to do a show highlighting people who work in the restaurant industry trying to make it in their different fields. But then I kind of went a music route for a couple years. And then I did hosting. And I'm like, now I'm back to acting. I like to do a lot of things. It's not that I get bored with one.

But I'm like, I got my degree in broadcast journalism. But I also studied theater. You went to Azusa, right? Azusa Pacific University. I see. You're not the only one that can do research. Oh, God. Did you Google me? No. I University. Let's see. You're not the only one that can do research. Oh, God. Did you Google me?

No. I know not to do that. Thank you. I have a pretty good idea of what would come up. Yeah. So, yeah. So I didn't want to do the show. I was hesitant because of that.

But once they said that it was highlighting our careers, I was like, you know what? What have I got to lose? And then I got married. I got caught up in relationships. My career just got put on hold for the last three years because I was living my life for someone else and not for myself. Wait a minute. I said in the beginning of this, was it for a man? You go, I don't do anything for a man.

Vegas was not for a man. I didn't say Vegas. I said, you said anything. And now you just said, oh, three years. Okay. Since then? Good. Then you've learned. Oh, no, no, no. Yes, I have learned. That is a huge you just said, oh, three years. Since then? Good. Then you've learned.

Oh, no, no, no. Yes, I have learned. That is a huge lesson I learned in the last few years. I was just going to say, because I thought there might have been some time in there. Yes. Oh, yeah. No. From the Havana room to now.

That was all I did. Everything was about pleasing the other person, making sure they were happy. Because if they were happy, then I was happy because they were happy. But that'll make you a good producer. Yes. Because that's how we live. Uh-huh. Just trying to make other people happy.

Yeah. That's a good quality to have, by the way have by the way even though someone took advantage of it don't multiple but it's okay that quality no and i i try not to i am a very strong person but vegas was a great step in the right direction of putting me first in my career and that just kind of jump-started me back into the motivational acting world. And, yeah, what do you think about reality stars turning actresses? Like Jamie Chung is a great example. There's a lot of great examples. She's a friend of mine, so I'm biased.

Here's the thing. Unscripted television is everything. I mean, everybody, it's not like you're in bad company. Every host is an unscripted. Every news anchor is technically unscripted. Anybody who's been in any unscripted show technically is an unscripted star, right? Yeah. So I think it's just about talent, and I think you're smart.

I don't think you should be resting on your laurels and be like I'm in a big hit reality show therefore I'm gonna no I'm always looking for what else can I do that's all it is it's just about authenticity be authentic to who you are as a person yeah what you're what you're good at and what your strengths are and then mine those as deep as they'll go and perfect your talent and be good if you're're good, it won't matter. It doesn't matter. There's no lines anymore. So that's the thing Shay and I talked about on my podcast was there's no lines.

She's producing content for YouTube. And she's producing content for Instagram. And she's producing content for Warner Brothers in the form of Pretty Little Liars. And she's producing content. I love that show. So there's producing content. She's in a movie. I love that show. So there's no lines anymore. Right.

So there's no barriers to entry. I mean, is Chrissy Teigen a reality star? Or is she just a big personality that's really funny and great on social media, also hosting this show? She's acting. So there's no lines. She's goals. Well, listen, as long as goals well listen as long as you're willing to work her ass off i mean oh i know that thing she does is not easy yeah it's

constant and great and she produces great content in social media yeah she's amazing she's one of my favorite people she gives the perfect uh amount of access to people and produces great content on her phone. And she's on a huge hit show. So there's no lines anymore. So just be, because she's authentic and her voice is authentic and you know what you're seeing is what you're getting.

Not to say it's not curated or edited or produced, but that's fine too. As long as you are super true to yourself and you work really hard and you get smarter every day by learning and listening and and you know perfecting your craft yeah you're gonna be great yeah yeah i'm gonna have her in this chair one day perfect i'm gonna i'm gonna text her after this show and just be like hey girls so we were talking about you today i did a show with her i did a show early on with her it was called snack off rob deardick and i I'm going to text her after this show and just be like, hey, girls. So we were talking about you today.

I did a show with her. I did a show early on with her. It was called Snack Off. Rob Dyrdek and I produced it. Yeah. Okay. I remember that. And we did that for a year with Eddie Wong and her. And it was great.

It didn't hit exactly what MTV wanted, but I knew you could just see she was so ready to go just do amazing things. And she has. She's so sweet and she's so fun. On top of being talented, she's so fun. Like on top of like being talented, she's also like a good person. Yeah. Yeah. Very smart. I love that. When you meet someone you're a fan of

and they're nice and like embrace that. And then she was like a fan of me and I was like, wait, what? That's awesome. Crazy. Well, good. You're authentic too. So just keep doing that and I'm glad you're going to classes and keep working at it. Yeah. So I got a couple scripts sent to me and yeah. So I'm glad you're going to classes and keep working at it. Yeah. So I got a couple scripts sent to me. Oh, cool. Yeah.

So I'm just excited to get back into it. Yeah. I actually just started doing music again, too. That's great. Because it's something just as a hobby for fun. I enjoy doing, and I gave it up for a while. And I was like, you know what? Yeah, I know I'm not the best at it.

I'm not the best singer, but I'm also not trying to be a singer. I'm trying to be a performer, whether that's on stage, on camera, or in a studio. Like I just like performing. There's no thing you can do creatively. That's not going to be a benefit to you in the long run. Nothing. And so if anybody is judging you or whatever, you're getting shit for it. Fuck them. Because anything you do will make you better. because anything you do will make you better yeah and by the way you don't even know like if you if you're writing right if you're music do music yeah at all because it might inform another piece like some little piece of fear that you had may go away because you're on stage singing that'll make you do a better performance in some audition that you're right on that and you have no idea

that those things are related. Yeah. But they are. Do it all. Yeah. And like this morning I was at the studio and I had come up with some ideas last night. And this whole song, I've never actually written a song. And I have my degree in journalism, broadcast journalism. I was a writer my whole life, but I've never actually written music.

And this song, all of these just like melodies and just words were coming into my head and so i started writing them down and we're at the studio this morning he's like wait i like that no i love that like okay just and he was kind of like helping me with the melodies and whatnot but it was just like it's so good it's like it's a breakup song but it's like one that it it's like a relatable like girls are gonna like get this and then after this we're doing like a dance track. So I'll be like fun.

Listen, writing is the most important thing you can do because you're going to learn so much more about yourself. It'd be so much, be so much more in tune with what you're feeling. You'll figure out what you want to say. Yeah. Which is important in terms of the authenticity too,

of being able to find your voice. Speaking of the me too thing. And at times I think find your voice and be able to find your voice speaking of the Me Too thing and the times I think find your voice and be able to say articulately the message you want to come across

and be authentic to yourself write everything write in your journal write music write poetry write Instagram posts whatever just as you do it

and you keep doing it the problem is the only challenge you're going to have is you're in the public eye. Yeah. And the benefit of that is it's going to make your skin thicker. Yeah. And so you use this shit.

Oh, totally. I mean, gosh, I can't remember the last time like a tweet or something made me cry because it's been a very, very long time. Good. And it was only at a time where I was like going through marital issues and it was just like things were hitting too close to home but I was like you know you guys are strangers and you actually don't know me you know an edited version of a reality show of me so I just stopped letting that get to me even this year when I moved to Vegas I deleted social media for like five months

for my phone didn't do it at all I was still active I had my sister doing it for me full time so no one knew I am back on it now because now I'm okay now it's like I don't even look at a lot of the comments anymore but you're but think about how smart that is and just in terms of anybody who wants to be an artist yeah when you should have those quiet times you should have those times you just go on a walk and not looking down at your phone you need those times where you're just alone in silence because that's when your inner voice is going to be which is probably so faint in most people now because their time is being consumed with other people giving them instant gratification and dopamine through that little device it's a tiny little whisper of that creative voice that you need to nurture and be quiet and go out and take a walk and sit with for an hour and

just think and go deep, that that voice is going to start to get louder and louder and louder until you, like you said, after five months, you're on stage singing and now you have a new song that you're writing. That's fantastic. Because had you been clouded by one person saying, you suck and you can't do it, you might go, what? I'm kidding. I'm just going to go back to the show.

And you wouldn't't do it. Yeah. You might go, what? I'm like, kidding. I'm just going to go back to the show. Yeah. And you wouldn't have done it. So being able to like put that shit aside and just go deep and really listen to that little voice is so important to me. Totally. To everybody. What's funny is last season on the show, Lala, Randall's fiance, is the one who called me tone deaf in the studio.

And that producer is who I'm working with because he was like, no, I love your voice. And like, I'm going to make your voice better. And there were things I did this morning that I was like, I didn't even know I could hit that note anymore. It was just like, and I mean, her and I are amazing now. But it was just like that one comment really got me in my head. And I was like, I know I'm not the best singer, but like I'm trying. And I got really self-conscious about it. And it was like, I mean, we talked and she was like, I'm sorry.

Like, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings I was like no your voice is different than mine so yeah if I'm trying to sing your melody maybe I'm gonna sound tone-deaf but now that I've been in the studio with her producers I'm like we all see something here yeah but anybody but that's fine you get better you know me comes out of the womb great no you have to get better and so you need that time and the and the ability just to say, I don't care what anybody's, you know, dance like no one's watching, sing like no one's listening. You need that time to be able to just do that without people giving you that kind of shitty

feedback. Right. Not to say that she was coming from a terrible place and thank God you used it to say, all right, well, now I'm going to get better. Yeah. As opposed to, I am tone deaf, I'm giving up. Exactly. That's the worst thing. going to get better. Yeah. As opposed to, I am tone deaf. I'm giving up. Exactly. That's the worst thing.

People should never quit. Yeah. You've got to just listen to that little voice, nurture it, and build it so that you can get where you want to go. Definitely. Now we're like a Tony Robbins episode. We're like doing self-help stuff. I like it.

Oh, thank you. I like it. Good. Have you ever thought of producing television or reality television? Well, I did. I produced this thing called Snack Off for a year. Oh, yeah, right. With Chrissy Teigen.

Yeah, which was a cooking show that was basically just like stoners cooking crappy snack foods. So it didn't really take up. But no, I love it. Are you a stoner? Mike Fleiss is a good friend of mine. He produces The Bachelor. Jeff Probst is one of my best friends. He produces Survivor.

So I'm in awe of the productions. That's what i had probes on the podcast for us i'm just in awe of how he produces that show yeah and be and is completely authentic and just lets it happen and is able to pivot on a dime your show included where it's just like oh that's that's a storyline now that's real that's happening now we're gonna going to pivot and do this. It's such an incredible skill. I've tried. I don't have it. I've partnered with other producers and said, oh, this would be a great show. And they're like, no, 52 of those have been done.

And so I'm sort of floundering my way through that part of it. But I'm actively trying to do scripted television all the time. Yeah. I love, too, now that we're on Bravo. And now Bravo has scripted series that are coming out. Two of which I heard aren't coming back and I'm bummed about that

because I really liked them. But I like that reality networks are now taking that step. And I'm like, okay, so now can some of your unscripted talent move into the scripted department? Sure. Because that's what I really want to do more of.

I think I'm an entertaining person on my, like as myself for that job. But it's like, I also like to play characters and be someone else and take on a different persona. Well then you need to do what Lisa did. Yeah. Just do it.

Don't take no for an answer. Lisa bullied and cajoled her way to get another show and become a top person on that network. Do that because you know what? Disney really is good at that. Nickelodeon's really good at that. I've done both of those. Right.

But they take their stars and they go, oh, you're going to be in The Descendants. And you're going to be in Live and Maddie. And you're going to be in this. And you're going to be. Totally. And they do that. That's right. And Bravo should do that.

They have a huge bench of talent between all those shows. They should definitely do that. So you should be the first. Go in there and do it. They should. If Lisa made you go on her show they should definitely do that. So you should be the first. Go in there and do it. They should. Like Lisa made you go on her show. Make them do it. Even if it was a daytime Watch What Happens Live type of show, I would love to host something

like Andy Cohen does as well. But obviously, it's Andy Cohen. He's going to do that. I should tell you guys. But he wasn't Andy Cohen. He was an executive who became a host and became Honor of Talent. Yeah. Through the same thing. I'm like, yeah, I won't be denied. I'm going to show you a host and became on our talent. Yeah. Through the same thing.

I'm like, yeah, I won't be denied. Yeah. I'm going to show you what this network's going to be. And he did it. Yeah. And he's done an amazing job. Do that. Yeah.

That's producing. Mm-hmm. I like it. Yeah. See, I feel even more motivated today. Like, I already did this morning. Good. Like, the studio, and now we're doing this.

So you don't watch any, like, you don't watch Vanderpump Rules, right? Sure I do. You do? Absolutely. What? Sure. What's your favorite reality showpump Rules, right? Sure I do. You do? Absolutely. What? What's your favorite reality show? My favorite reality show? Gosh, it's probably Survivor. Okay.

Followed very closely by all the Bachelors. And I'll tell you why. That's my favorite. I'll tell you why. It's so funny because I have a 17 year old son. Okay. And I we enjoy watching it all together because we can say like, see, don't ever date someone like that. That's not – that person is a terrible person. And what's so great about Survivor, it's the same thing of like watching the social game and going, see, that person is – there's great lessons to be learned from all these shows.

And the first season of your show, I saw you guys at Coachella. And I was like, oh my gosh, there's a Fanny Pong, where else is she? You guys were all getting on the, or maybe you weren't there, but Jackson was there. I wasn't there first year. Jackson was there, and they were all there getting on the thing, and I was like, wow, there they are. And it seems so bizarre to me that you guys worked at the restaurant.

I'm like, that can't be real. And I went in, and I was like, whoa, there they are. So look, I'm a huge fan. We watch Southern Charm. We watch a lot of Bravo stuff. I love that. We do. Because it's just fun to watch people do themselves.

Yeah. It's like an interesting thing. And what's fascinating, and I talk to probes about this, is people think, oh, it's bullshit. It's written. And there's no way. You forget about the cameras like that. Oh, totally. They completely melt away and you're yourself.

You can't not be. No. It's impossible. So yeah. So I'm a fan. Yeah. Huh. Cool. It's impossible. So yeah, so I'm a fan. Yeah. Huh. Cool.

Well, thanks. So what would you say, I know you said this a little earlier, but just to reiterate, what is your advice to people who want to get into this film business and crazy industry we're in? Right. So I ask that question of every one of my guests at the end of my podcast. And basically the answer boils down to some version of do it. Just freaking do it.

Just do it. Like Nike said, just do it. Well, think about it. You were at the Havana room. And you were a server. And you were doing little arcs on 90210 and et cetera. And then when your back got up against it, you were like, I got to call people. I got to get a job.

I have three weeks. That's it. That's basically how people need to be if they want to be in the business. Like put your back up against it and be like, I don't care. No one's stopping me. I'm going to do it. I'm going to go get a job and get a reality show as a server. I'm going to go on auditions.

I'm going to learn. I'm going to go to acting class. I'm going to meet you and Lala and figure out. Let's make a short, the three of us. Let's figure it out. Let's talk to some of these field producer people we have. Whatever you have at your disposal. If you

look around, I can't tell you how many people go I say, how did you get in the business? They say, oh I had an aunt who was living in New York and she booked theaters and she knew one person and she called that one person and I went in and got a job. My dad, who could not be further from the movie business, he was in PR at Southern California

Gas, happened to be playing golf with a guy who was at Paramount in television. It's like my dad doesn't know anybody and he's like, oh, you should talk to my son. So it's like anybody, just look around your circle wherever you're sitting right now and listening to this, your podcast. Look around your circle and go wait a minute you can write you're a great dancer you're great let's make a short or let's do a podcast or let's put something up on youtube not just like throw it up like i'm in a bikini on a beach kind of stuff right but like really think about like what do you want to say and what do

you want to be known as and whatever that is you are your own brand no one is like you yeah and do that and get either write it produce it act in it get somebody to produce it for you but if you really want to do this there's a million ways to do it and even if it doesn't work the first time like you said keep trying yeah you're out recording and it's not great keep recording because some something will come of it yeah something. Something will absolutely come of it. Definitely. Well, this has been awesome. Thank you.

There was one thing that I just wanted to mention in the beginning and then we just got so into it. No, this is a great conversation. But I was just going to tell you about this package I just got recently. So have you ever heard of Care Of? No. Okay. So it's this great thing where they deliver vitamins to your door, but you have to go

online. You take like this fun little quiz and they ask you about like your diet, health goals, lifestyle choices. It takes like five minutes. So when I did this, I got like vitamin D, magnesium, B-complex, fish oil, and a few others. So obviously everyone's is different, but during the quiz, it's fun because you get to pick which things you want to focus on.

So I was like, okay, brain because I do smoke weed. All right. Energy because I smoke weed. Right. Stress because I'm on a reality show. And hair because I really want to take these extensions out. Right. So those are the things that I picked.

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So for all of you listeners, for 25% off your first month of personalized Care-of vitamins, visit TakeCareOf.com and enter Sheena. So that's for 25% off. Visit TakeCareOf.com and enter Sheena. So, yeah, I just had to mention that. And I will say one more thing about you smoking weed. It's fine. Oh, yeah. Because, by the way, that's a quiet time where you can smoke and just ask yourself what my intention is.

And creative stuff will happen for you. Absolutely. From that. And I noticed that when I do smoke weed, I get out of my girl brain and into my rational brain. And I'm more creative and I'm more focused. And write. Make sure you write. That's what I did last night.

Great. I watched Tag and then I wrote in my notebook. That's how people get into the business. Watch Tag, smoke weed, and write in their notebook. We've solved it. We've solved it. There we go. So, you guys, check out Tag if you haven't seen it yet.

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So download Pluto TV for free on all of your favorite devices today and watch Tag because it's awesome. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. This was fun. Thank you so much. I watch Tag, because it's awesome. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. This was fun. Thank you so much. I'm glad I got to do it.

Thank you. Yeah. Nice to meet you. Glad to be here. All right. Thanks, guys. Bye. Thanks for listening to Shenanigans.

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