Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Undercover Big Brother with Derrick Levasseur

Episode Date: August 15, 2019

Big Brother 16 winner and TV host Derrick Levasseur joins Scheananigans to talk about his law enforcement career, his time on Big Brother, his show “Breaking Homicide”, and his time as an undercover officer. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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known as the greatest player ever to win Big Brother. Mr. Derek, I don't want to fuck up your last name. Yeah, do you want the real way? Okay, no. I always say Lavossier just to sound fancy, but it's Levasseur? Levasseur is the correct way of saying it, but I say Levasseur, which is completely wrong. Derek Levasseur.

I didn't want to get beat up in high school, so I just stuck with Levasseur. Yeah, I always just make it a little extra fancy. Whenever there's some extra letters, I'm like, oh, Levasseur. Derek Levasseur. I didn't want to get beat up in high school, so I just stuck with Levasseur. Yeah, I always just make it a little extra fancy. Whenever there's some extra letters, I'm like, oh, Levasseur. Yeah, that's how you're supposed to say it, but yeah, not me. Okay, Levasseur. Got it. That's the easier, more phonetic way, I guess. Try spelling it for all your audience members. You can try spelling that one for a little bit. Try to spell shenanigans the way I spell it. I can't spell. I'm not even going to give it a shot. So, how are you? You're in LA

for the week. Yes. What do you have going on out here? Yes. Doing some business out here. You know how it goes. Obviously working on breaking homicide on Investigation Discovery. We have some cases we're working on out here, some other opportunities with these cases to grow them, evolve them and get them some more exposure. So just kind of handling that with the team and we'll see where it goes. some more exposure. So just kind of handling that with the, with the team and we'll see where it goes. Amazing.

Yeah. Janet and I love a good show on investigation discovery. Okay. It's like one of our favorite channels. I only need three channels. I need investigation discovery E and Bravo and I'm good. Yeah. Maybe CNN, but investigation discovery is always in the top.

I'm so, I so much politics. I just got to take a break from it. I really do. I really do. That's when you turn into murder, you know, and you could just get to tune into some really.

Yeah. When you're feeling depressed, just go watch. Yeah. Janet likes when the rich people get murdered though. She likes those shows. I got in a lot of trouble on this podcast. I got a lot of DMS and tweets from people because I said,

I've watched so many of those shows that now only the ones that I find interesting are ones where there's an insurance policy or the people are really rich because the motivation is like yeah yeah and um people did not like that I said that they were like rich people have feelings too yeah but sex not as much sex revenge and money yes right that's it I know it's easy you can always be tied back to that one way or another. Yeah. I love that. So your show on ID, Breaking Homicide, you've had two seasons. Are you going to be filming a third? We're working on it. We'll see what happens.

I have over 2,000 cases right now. Wow. Yeah, that we can go through. But the problem, there's a lot of logistics to it. And the issue that we run into is covering the case in a way that we're pointing in a different direction and yet still not hurting the integrity of the investigation we're the only show that does this right now the only show where someone from the outside because i'm retired i retired in 2017 right i'm a licensed private investigator but they're allowing me inside their station to look

at actual police reports that haven't been exposed to the public so it's a fine line there it's never been done before. I'm meeting with the district attorneys, attorney generals, and they're like, you're technically a TV show host now. You know? Yeah. So it is new territory. We'll see how it goes.

We're looking at making some changes to it maybe. But as I said, I was out here for some other things. We'll see what happens. And I'd love to do another season, but it has to be under the right circumstances. I want to be able to, I don't want to just sensationalize murder. If I'm going to cover it, it's because I feel like I can make a difference. I'm not just doing it to have these families get dragged through the mud to hear about their loved ones. So at the end of the episode, I can come in like every other cold case episode out there and say, oh, yeah, they were killed.

We want to push the ball forward. So as long as I'm able to do that and they have the resources to do it, I would love to do another season. Yeah. I love that. What have been some of your favorite homicides to investigate so far on the show? I mean, favorite is a tough word. I need to adjust my attitude when it comes to murder.

What has been the most intriguing case? Because I know you started out the first episode, the first season was one that was close to home for you. Yeah. So that's the easy answer, right? Right. Because that was one when I was a detective working it myself, Michelle Norris. She's a 33-year-old case now.

We believe that it's narrowed down to either her father or this other individual who lived across the street. But they're all, they're like trying to choose your best, your favorite child, right? Yeah. Like they all have a special place in my heart because they're not just cases. Like I've become so close with these families i talk to them all the time um this season specifically you know we had a couple cases where as we speak i can't again this is the the conundrum right it's an actual investigation so right there's been movement

in three out of eight of the cases i did where there could be arrests in those cases based on the information that i was able to find. That's awesome. And, you know, if that happens, that's a great thing because it shows that having people in the media, if you allow them and you trust them and you divide up the guidelines in a way that it doesn't hurt the case, social media, things like these podcasts can actually make a difference in these cases because if they haven't been solved in 30 years, there's a reason. Right. And you've got to start trying to think outside the box and i think that comes into allowing people like crowdsourcing things like that people who are into it who might say hey listen i'm not a licensed detective but i have a career in mechanics where i worked on fords for 30 years

and that little piece of license plate or that little piece of taillight that you have there that's from an 87 ford Wow. No detective would know that. Right. But allowing people to see some of the information that you've kept from them for so long, that may be the missing links to the guy that you've been looking at for years and didn't know that that piece belonged to a car that that guy owned. That's awesome. That's crazy.

So that's where we got to get that trust because there is a lack of trust with the public and the law enforcement right now. I'm hoping to bridge that gap. I know it's not going to be me alone that does it, but you know, that's what I would love to do. And so all the cases to answer your question, they all have a special place in my heart, but the ones that I like the best are the ones that we solve.

That's awesome. Yeah. So how, there was what? Eight episodes of first season, six, the first season, but there were two hours.

Okay. Okay. And then they went to eight, one hours because we were getting so many. Yeah. And honestly, there is some filler in the two hours because you, yeah, you to eight, one hours because we were getting so many. And honestly, there is some filler in the two hours because you get more into the emotional aspect of it, which is great because it's more empathetic for the audience. But I liked doing the eight cases

because again, it's still not enough, but it allowed me to cover more cases in one season. Totally. Maybe next season it's 10 or 12. We'll see. We'll see what happens. How long do you work on each case roughly? or 12. We'll see. We'll see what happens. How long do you work on each case roughly? In the town, I'm there seven days. But leading up to it, it's two, three weeks. And then, for example, I did a case in Pittsburgh and I just went back there a week ago and to hold a press conference because not to get into all the deep we could talk about for hours, but I feel like there's the suspects in this case, the persons of interest in this case, no people within the DA's office.

And I consider myself to be a good cop. Not every cop does the right thing. We know that. There's bad doctors. There's bad lawyers. There's bad everybody. And I think the good cops, if they really want to be good cops and we want to rebuild that trust, we have to call out bad police tactics when we see it. when we see it. So I flew down to Pittsburgh, called the press conference and called out some of the things that were going on behind the scenes when they were working with me that I thought they

were going to rectify. They hadn't at that point. And so I'm still working a lot of the cases to answer your question. And we're hoping that we have some closure in that one very soon. Pittsburgh, Cody Joyce case, great case. Amazing. So I know you got um you have a bachelor's in criminal justice and a master's in business so you went into law enforcement but then you decided to do reality tv yeah so uh kind of tell me about like that thought process for you i know you were a fan of the show obviously huge fan um which is why you're one of the greatest players ever so be careful you say that around that's a very touchy subject i'm just saying that's all i don't watch every season yours was one of the last seasons i watched like fully like every episode of it's a commitment i mean i thought

it was on five days a week i guess it's three that's still you're thinking love island you know yeah love island five days a week i mean bachelor in paradise twice a week that is four hours of my life gone so to commit to another you know network show three days a week it's is four hours of my life gone. So to commit to another, you know, network show three days a week, it's just kind of a lot. It's an investment. But um, so what made you want to just completely go out of the box you were in and do reality TV? I was undercover for three and a half years. And when I was undercover, I really couldn't go out in public too often because I was working a lot of cases that were pretty close to where I lived. And so the chances of running into someone who knew me as a different character was pretty high.

Oh, yeah. It was pretty high. So I have like in my pocket right now, I still carry around my undercover ID. So I have another license, a criminal history. I have a different name. That is amazing. Yeah, I have it. I can show it to you guys later.

And my first name is still Derek when I was undercover, but my last name was different. My social security was different. They could look up my criminal history to see the, you know, what crimes I had committed. And so I stayed home. I was kind of a recluse. And I, one night I was just watching TV and this after dark thing came on and it looked like, it looked like closed circuit television. I had no clue what it was.

Long story short, I start doing my research and realized it's a show, Big Brother. And I remember sitting there with my wife and saying, I would crush this show. And she's like,

yeah, okay. But everyone says when they watch these shows, like they would crush it. Oh, I would do so good if I went on it. And then they go on and they're terrible.

So I got out another cover work. I got promoted. It was my bucket list. I had turned 30. I said, I'm going to apply once. I'm just going to throw in a video

and see what happens. Do the video. Sure enough, they call. I had turned 30. I said, I'm going to apply once. I'm just going to throw in a video and see what happens. Do the video. Sure enough, they call. I say, listen, if you put me on the show, I'm going to treat it as an undercover investigation, and I'm going to see how it goes. Oh, I like that. And so they like that idea. And so it was kind of like a twist.

So I didn't tell them who I was, and I just wanted to see how good it would really work. And I was praying it did, because if it didn't, I think the law enforcement community would have ate me alive. If I'm supposed to be this undercover cop and I go in there and get smoked by a bunch of 25, 30-year-olds, that's not a good look. That's bad optics. I like that strategy, treat it as an undercover operation.

Yeah, I pretended I was somebody different. I said I was a parks and recreation coordinator. Wow. And I was in there 100 days, and I never told them who I was until on finale night when they voted. And after they voted, as part of the twist, I stood up and said, hey, by the way, guys, sorry, not sorry. Yeah. Sorry, but I'm leaving with the cash.

That's something I've always wanted to do. It's still one of my life bucket list things. No, not to be on BB. No, my sister, that's hers. She wanted to. So she will be 22 next week. I met her, right? I met her at the Africa.

Okay, okay. But she always said when she turned 21, she wanted to go on Big Brother 21, which is right now. But she had no idea where her life would be. And she's working full time and traveling the world and doing amazing. Good call. Yeah. But one of the things that I've always wanted to do is to go undercover. And now I'm like, well, I'm a reality star.

So that would be more difficult unless i use that to my advantage like i just i've always wanted to do something where like something with like racism or discrimination because i go to a lot of sporting events i go to disneyland and places like this and i notice like especially like if i'm with like demario or like one of of our friends who's not just a tiny little white girl, the way that security will extra screen people and it pisses me off. I could even, bad example, but I was in Kentucky with one of my girlfriends and her boyfriend who's black and we both had ripped jeans on and they let me in the bar and not him.

And I'm like, because I'm a girl? They're like're like well it's just different i'm like how is it different is it because he's a man is it because he's black like what what's the difference i was like we don't want to be at your fucking bar then yeah but i noticed just like with the way my purse is checked at disneyland and granted i usually have some weed pens in there so i'm happy about the screening right they do my job but the thing is i'm like sometimes like especially like staple center like they'll just like kind of look in my bag and then just pass it through and i'm like i could have a knife in there i could have a small gun like you don't know and it's just like i've always wanted to do something where i go undercover and just get people of all different

ages races genders and just see like why why is it that you're not screening the white girl but you're screening the black guy why is it that you're not you know it's just like could be a digital something that you could do yeah like about that i just i want to do something like that where even like i mean i also thought like doing like a prosthetics or something like that would be fun so i'm a legit undercover you could do undercover we we used to take people all the time when i was in charge of the Special Investigations Unit, which was drugs, guns, and gangs, so we did a lot of prostitution things. So what we would do is our girlfriends at the time or whatever, our wives or whatever, we would have them come in. They'd have to sign some paperwork.

And basically they would dress really skanky. That sounds so fun. Not wear makeup. That's hilarious. Not wear makeup. Like really kind of look trashy because, listen, if you look too good, most of the guys, the Johns are going to be like, yeah, right. Like I'm sure that one is just my lucky day.

Right. And so, you know, we put them out there and they would sit on the corner and they're all wired up. And basically as long as there's a verbal communication between the two of you where they agree to, you know, I'll suck your dick for 20 bucks. And they say the amount. As soon as they say the amount they're done because you can say they always saw all its entrapment if you say no listen hey do you want to ride yeah i want to ride well for you know i want some head okay cool well it's 20 bucks okay let's do it as soon as

they say that we pull up behind and we get out and you just stand still and they get arrested. I mean, do blowjobs really go for 20 bucks? I was in a car. We know I'm not giving a blowjob for $20. Well, where I'm from, it's a little different than out here. LA is a little bit more high class. I would be the John sometimes where I would go after the prostitutes. And I had one where we did a lot of them because I looked very young for my age. I got out when I was 20.

So I would go out there and they had no clue I was a cop and i had girls get in the car and be like hey listen i'll blow you for a pack of cigarettes right now oh my god yeah yeah that's some desperation and it's funny i remember that when i was like shit is that enough for the to give the code word for an arrest can we barter for barter for cigarettes is that technically illegal you know i think she might have found a loophole you know but um but yeah so you i don't think you want to go that route probably not that route but i've always wanted to like you know wear a wire and just like catch someone doing some shady shit and like i'm a great actress i know i could totally just like get into character and do that but you definitely have to everyone knows

your face though so you that's the thing that's why i'm like i would either have to be doing it as me right but like you know like so they wouldn't know obviously why i'm there undercover agent exactly agent for the government or the state you're working for you're sheena but you're also 007 yeah 008 whatever you want to be like i've just i've always i think ever since like never been kissed came out i'm like i want to go back to high school like i want to do some hard work want to go back to high school. Like I want to do some more craft work. You could go back to high school. Yeah. But even like there's this show called What Would You Do with John Quinones where they

have a bunch of like a hidden camera type of show. I think it would be so fun too. Where they have a bunch of hidden cameras. They set up fake scenarios and then they just see how real people interact. I'm like, wait, I want to be one of those actors. Like that would be so fun. It's like moral and ethical dilemmas like if you were to see blatant racism or some type of mistreatment how would that person react other than this step and yes it's a great show yeah it's a great show

i love it i think it just came back on yeah it's a great show but i just i've always wanted to do that so i'm like i wanted to ask you about because obviously you're undercover you can't say so much yeah but i just i think We'll hook you up. Yeah. I have a question about. I work with LA County. Okay, cool. So, okay, they say,

so like in the like hooker situation, if I was a hooker. Yeah. And I asked someone, are you a police officer? Do they have to say yes? Absolutely not. Okay.

Don't you think that's a rumor? Okay, interesting. A very prevalent rumor. You can hit me with all those questions. I just said a whole thing on that. You know, as far as like, you know, when I used to be a drug dealer all the time, that was like my big role. And they'd always be like, you know as far as like you know when i used to be a drug dealer all the time that was like my big role and they'd always be like you know what kind

of drug everything coke ecstasy weed you name it i was pushing kilos right wow and and the thing is they they'd get it where it's like you have a kilo on the table and they're like all right you up first they want me to try my own shit and it's like and would it actually be cocaine or would it be like yeah it's a reverse buy we're not letting them leave there with that yeah but it's in the room but it's really there it's in the room i was undercover for the dea a lot so it was one of those things where it was big movement we weren't going after the nickel and dime stuff so they think by you know saying try your own shit that i'm gonna say no because i'm a cop and if i do do it then there's no way I can be a cop. But what they don't understand is I can get pre-approval to do that.

Wow. So I'm like, let's go. No, I really don't want to do it, but I will and I have. And then it's like, oh, he's straight. Then obviously we're good. Here's the $36,000, whatever it was at the time. Make the exchange. And then when they walk outside, they're getting banned by a whole SWAT team.

Wow. So that whole thing, if it was that simple everyone would just say are you a cop yeah right over it's not that easy I will say that the criminals have a lot of advantages in this but that's not one of them you know you can't say you're a cop yeah you got me sorry never mind see you never mind I'm just gonna take my kilo and go home it doesn't work like that I'm sorry for the criminals out there. What do you think are some of the advantages that criminals have in that situation? So many. What can they say or do to test it and find out if it's a real situation or a setup?

I mean, it is very – I wouldn't say they have any advantages. There really isn't much. I mean, honestly, they would just have to do their homework. And it would involve researching the person prior to making that deal. If they're going to try to – there's no thing they can ask or no thing they can do. I can tell you that we are not allowed as agents of the state to allow a crime to occur in front of us. So if you were the drug dealer and Shana was there and she's just a bystander and I'm supposedly the supplier and you put a gun to her head and I have a gun on me, I have to act. Okay. So if I feel like you're going to kill her or hurt her,

I have an obligation where if I feel I can make a difference to step in and make sure that doesn't occur. Okay. So that's one way you can, that's one way, that's one way you could get me. Because at that point you're going to put your gun at her, but I'm going to put my gun in your face. So, you know, that's one way to give it a little bit of a standoff but other than that i don't mean we have to be safe like we don't have to wear wires that's another thing you can check me for a wire 90 of the time i never wore a wire when i was undercover because you can put a little box in the room and the box

will tell you if anybody's transmitting a signal out of that room so i would refuse to wear wires because i didn't want to get i didn't want to end up in a river yeah right so there's there's ways criminals are always evolving and then police are evolving on top of that you know what I mean they have ways to check backgrounds and check criminal records that's why we have them just in case depends on how high you go on the food chain so you have a fake criminal record online for your fake identity correct so I have an ID in my pocket I have an ID in my pocket right now that's separate from my real ID that I always keep just in case because you never know who you're going to run into. But if they had ran me before using me, they wanted to check my background. If I said, yeah, I had an assault in Massachusetts, they would see that.

What's on your record for your fake identity? It was nothing crazy. It was petty shit. It was like a couple of assaults, a couple of possession charges, nothing crazy because otherwise they'd be like, okay, so he should have been in prison for that. Right. And now it's like, well, did you know so-and-so

in D block? And now it's like, fuck, I don't know so-and-so in D block, so I'm in trouble. So it was all petty shit, but it was enough

that they knew I wasn't, you know, I could handle myself and that I, you know, I was legit. I was legit. Wow.

That's so interesting. I love that. What's like, she goes, I love that i know no literally like one of the things like especially like when we go out to like palm springs and stuff sometimes it'll just be her and i just bought a house out there congrats thank you but like there's like been nights where we just like sit at home just the two of us and just put on investigation discovery and just watch all of these like murder mysteries and I get really

into the Amanda Knox trials which I love there's so many I don't want to say good ones but there's so many mysteries out there

people love a good mystery they really do I mean it sucks because a lot of them are reality but America loves a good mystery they like to be

armchair detectives and kind of go along with it and try to figure it out themselves and you have researched the OJ Simpson case and trial a lot.

I had a whole special one. Yes. What are your thoughts on it? But more specific than that. Yeah. It's interesting because I was out here for a meeting regarding that because to summarize, there was a guy who basically believed that Jason Simpson, his son, had killed Nicole. nicole wow and oj was covering for him

uh so the show was called is oj innocent and spoiler alert he's not innocent as far as i'm concerned yeah but more importantly i believe i was able to disprove this theory this guy wrote a book on it and everything that jason did it and i was able to disprove it by going back to a time card that jason had and finding the company that created the time machine that they used at that time to clock in and out. So I ruled him out, but we did come to the conclusion that, based on the facts and circumstances, I do believe there was someone else with him. Wow.

I don't know how involved they were, but he was – I don't know how deep you want to go into this. Let's get deep. Basically, he was in his yard at Rockingham. He was getting ready to go on a plane to Chicago for a commercial or something. And it's been proven that he was out in his yard with his suitcases ready to get picked up by a limo for his flight. He was chipping golf balls. He wasn't planning on going anywhere.

He was outside just waiting for the limo to show up. And then all of a sudden, he ends up at Nicole's condo, which wasn't far away. But something to me happened in that moment where he decided that I got to go confront Nicole right now. So to me, someone came to him and said something that fired him up. And he said, this is something that needs to be addressed now. And what gives more credence to that is there's a book that came out called If I Did It. It was originally titled I Did It, but they changed it for legal reasons but yeah in that book it's pretty damning to come out and say i did it yeah in in that and there's a lot more to it the uh ron

goldman's uh um family got involved and they sued and they got the rights of the books to get the proceeds etc all this so that's why they changed the title. If is like a microscopic title. Great read if you haven't read it. I have not, but I want to. It's phenomenal. But in the book, OJ tells Pablo Fevez, who wrote the book, well, if I did it, you know I couldn't have done it alone, right? But here's what happens.

I interviewed Pablo and he said during that interview, every moment OJ kept going in and out of like first person and hypothetical and like, actually, like, it sounded like he was just regurgitating what he remembered. Right. And he's like, you know, let's just call this person Charlie. But if I did it, Charlie came to my house, told me something I didn't like. And I said, you know what? Fuck that. We're going to our house right now. Then you're coming with me because if it ain't true, it's your ass. And Charlie was like, no, no, no, OJ, let's just wait. Let's just wait.

But they went over there. And when they showed up, not expecting to see, you know, Ron there. And that's when it went down. And it's so funny because it's not funny. I shouldn't say that. But it all comes back to a pair of glasses. Because if Nicole hadn't dropped her glasses, Ron wouldn't have went over there. And so when OJ shows up at that exact moment

this is what caused this all to transpire and and from what the book says the reason oj knew that ron had been there before was that kato their dog they had a dog named kato was an akita they named it kato because it was lazy after kato kalen oh wow when the dog came out it was a violent dog it came out and started wagging its tail when it saw Ron Goldman. And that was the indicator to OJ, allegedly, that he knew he had been there before with Nicole. And he was very possessive, allegedly. So there's a lot to it.

Is there proof that Ron had slept with Nicole or had been over there before? No proof. No proof of it. I mean, you can make your own assumptions. I would never. I don't know. But I know that she was dressed a certain way and there was allegedly there was music and candles and uh ron goldman was an extremely attractive guy yeah and uh nicole was extremely attractive as well and she was single you know i mean oj wanted his cake and

he did too like he didn't want to be with her but he was he wanted to be with her but he also wanted to see other women so um i do believe someone went with him. I really do. I believe someone went over there with him because there was something he someone told him at that moment where he was like, fuck the flight. I'm going over there right now. And that's why when he went back to allegedly again, we got to keep saying this is all right. When he went back to Rockingham, you know, the limo driver who I interviewed allegedly saw a man run into the house. And then two seconds later, the lights came on and O.J. comes to the door and goes, oh, give me a couple more minutes.

I'm running a little late. You know, so and his bags were already outside. It's just so much. But I don't I don't. He could have done it alone easily. But the question is, why in that moment? It wasn't premeditated. He would have set it up better. He wouldn't have had a flight, something in moment whatever it was another another man there's some other things i won't say that it could have been that we came up across um that made him want to go over at that very moment and unfortunately ron was just just just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time that's so sad how old are you how old do you think i am well i thought we were about the same age but i feel like you might be younger okay yeah so i'm 34? Well, I thought we were about the same age, but I feel like you might be younger. I'm 35. Okay, yeah, so I'm 34.

Okay, so we were, I mean, obviously the same age. But, like, I remember, I think, so what was it, like, it was sixth grade. I was definitely in junior high when the trials were going on. And I just remember sitting in class, and it was, like, the only day that we didn't have to do any work. And we just watched that. So, like, being so young as a kid, and then now it's your adult life to be able to investigate, like, that murder. So you were nine. You were nine.

I was ten. Yeah. And that's another thing. I got a lot of criticism. They're your adult life to be able to investigate that murder. So you were nine. I was ten. Yeah. And that's another thing. I got a lot of criticism. They're like, you were ten years old when it happened. I'm like, that's why I should be doing it. Yeah. Because I have no preconceived notions.

Yeah. I have no incentive either way. If I think one way, I'll call it. If I think it's the other, it's the other. And I came in and treated it as my own case. We get to talk to all the lead detectives. And yeah, no, it definitely is. It's a crazy case.

Yeah. It's a crazy case. Yeah. It's a crazy case. I think unless something's solved, no one should criticize how old or who is looking into something. No. Well, it hasn't been solved by now, so it's going to first put eyes on it. Well, according to LAPD, they're like, this case is solved. You call them and you say, so what about – they're like, listen, it's solved. Wow, that's bad.

The guy just wasn't convicted. Yeah. As far as they're concerned, they got the guy. He was the only one there. And the DNA supported that. But unfortunately, due to, you know, certain things,

Mark, we can get into all that, but there were things where the lawyers, the defense attorney did enough to prove, you know, some doubt, put some doubt

in the jury's minds and they cleared him and he can never be charged again no matter what happens. He could come sit on this microphone right now and say, I did it.

And guess what? That is such a fucked what happens. He can come sit on this microphone right now and say, I did it. And guess what? That is such a fucked up war. Is our judicial system that shit? I mean, that is terrible. This is my problem. Yeah. It shouldn't be like a game. Like, oh, you know what?

You got away with it once. Good job. Because if you came in here and said, I did it, like, okay, then you go to jail. That's common sense. But there's loopholes. And this is why sometimes it's a love hate relationship with lawyers because lawyers don't always, you know, both sides, they use the loopholes and the technicalities to win because the laws are not written perfectly.

And so they can use those technicalities to win if they're really good. And that's what they do. I've been in cases that I've lost where I've known I was right. But because of a technicality in the way that the law is written and how it's interpreted by the court, you lose. Can't leave any reasonable doubt. That's it. I mean, even just it's like, you know, the way you can like find a certain piece of evidence. But it's like if you didn't go about it the right way, it's like, oh, it's inadmissible. And it's like, absolutely. Absolutely. And then again, it's not you can seize it legally. But then if they're able to prove your credibility in any way, it could be conjecture. But just something that's a kernel in the jury's mind, which doesn't have to be proven. But now that it's there, it could grow into something. And if they don't believe you, even though they believe the evidence, they may they may discount that evidence.

And then for the person walks. So crazy. Have you ever done jury duty or sat on a jury? No, and I have never been asked to. I don't even know if I can. I was going to say, are you allowed to? Yeah, I've never been asked to, but I know the first day I got there, they would say, what did you do for a career?

And they'd be like, get the fuck out. Get the fuck out. The defense attorney would be like, fuck you. So yeah, that's never going to happen. Did you ever watch the show with Sacha Baron Cohen, Who is America, the episode with OJ? Who did he interview? Did you see it? I saw all of it.

I forget the OJ one. He interviewed someone. No, it was him and OJ. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it's like literally the two of them like in like a hotel room. I forget. He said he was like, I don't know, some like French photographer or whatever it was.

He had like five different characters he played on this show. And there was, like, a chick in there, like, that he had. And then it's, like, him and OJ, and he keeps, like, making all of these jokes and just, like. Didn't you say, like, I want to take a stab at it? Yeah. Yeah, I do. I think I do remember.

Yes. But it was, like, just, like, seeing, like, his reactions and stuff. It's, like, how is this guy not in prison? It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, he went to prison for a little bit after the robbery. Oh, he went for a long time. How long was he in there?

10 years or less? I thought it was longer than that. I know he got 33 years. I don't know how many years he served. But they threw the book at him. And some people believe that was because they felt he got off in L.A. And they're like, he ain't getting off here. I know he got like 33 years, but he didn't do that.

His attitude, I forget. He ain't getting off here. I know he got like 33 years, but he didn't do that. His attitude, I forget. He stood in front of a judge or something where they aired his speech to him, and he just dodged all responsibility for everything. Well, look at him now. He's on Twitter.

Listen, if he did it or he didn't do it. Oh, no, he's on Twitter now. Yeah, if he did it. Which is crazy because he's almost illiterate. Have you seen some of his letters and stuff that he's written? I've seen some of the letters he wrote yes yes yes i mean for being a usc grad i mean he cannot spell his no grammar i mean he was an athlete i know but still a really fucking good one yeah i mean let's be honest he was one of the best running backs of all time yeah so yeah i mean he did his thing but he's got some balls he's got some balls because whether he did it or not i've

tweeted back at him not that he's going to tweet at me but maybe you know he he's got some balls. He's got some balls because whether he did it or not, I've tweeted back at him. Not that he's going to tweet at me, but maybe, you know, he's got some balls. You never know. I would just go away. You know, if your family's been through so much,

your children have been through so much. If you did it, you got away with it. Congrats. Go away. If you didn't do it, congratulations. You're out now.

Go away. Yes. We don't care about your opinion. And honestly, again, whole different fact fat but the media everyone they play into it you give him a voice bank on it we're on this podcast right now he's gonna have a podcast or a show oh for sure bank on it i mean there's been so many shows made about

him we're in la and he was an actor as well it's happening someone's gonna say i'm biting the bullet let's give oj a reality show yeah and guess what people are gonna fucking watch yeah well you do have a verified account so the more you tweet at other verified accounts they're usually bound to see it and respond i don't say very nice things to him so he's probably gonna block me so you want me to tweet at him yeah yo oj when i was uh four years old my so i was well it was 94 that yeah that the murder happened with oj 90 97 i thought oh no no you made 92 no no because i wasn't i know i was in junior high when the trial was so i don't remember when the murder happened but i skipped a grade i 96 to 98

was when the trial was okay yeah i think the murder happened in 94 which i was four or five around that time and my mom was obsessed could could not stop watching it and all of that. So then when we came to visit my aunt and uncle here in California when I was five years old, my mom made my grandma drive us to OJ Simpson's house. And I have a picture with my mom in his driveway of I'm like this little girl. I have no idea where we are. And it's my mom and I in OJ Simpson's driveway. And I think my mom stole his newspaper too. Oh, my God. And you're right. June 12, 1994. There we are. And it's my mom and I in OJ Simpson's driveway. And I think my mom stole his newspaper, too.

Oh, my God. And you're right. June 12, 1994. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I went to the house.

The house, the Nicole Simpson's house, it's eerie because it's very similar still. And you can envision what went down there. The corridor is still there. His house they knocked down, right? They knocked down and they changed it slightly. But it's still got the same kind of layout, the same wall, but it is very different than what it was because obviously nobody really wanted it the way it was.

But Nicole's house is very, very similar. They changed the front so people wouldn't recognize it all the time, but people still know who this is. I want to go drive by it. You're that person. Yes, I'm absolutely that person. I've driven around. Did you follow the Robert Durst case at all?

He was like the billionaire from New York. I know the name, but I don't follow the case, no. He had murdered what they think allegedly murdered his wife in the 70s, his friend who knew about his wife's murder in the 90s, and then two other people, and they think maybe even more than that, throughout it. But he was like a billionaire family. And I watched his case. And he had this show on HBO called The Jinx about his whole case.

But I've driven past every place that is a spot that he had killed someone. What do you guys think about it? Because it's out here once upon a time in Hollywood. I haven't seen it yet. Okay, so I just saw it. I did go to a very late showing, and I was a little tired. So I think there's maybe about 30 minutes I missed okay you missed 30 great minutes yeah no i need to see it again because i want to go it was like we saw like an 11 o'clock showing i had no idea it was a three hour movie right so

it's like you know by like around like 1 a.m i'm like kind of nodding off a little so i want to see it again before i make like a full assessment it's incredible yeah no i mean and quentin tarantino, I mean, yeah. Incredible. I was with, um, you guys ever CSI? So I was with the creator.

I was with the creator of CSI, Anthony Zyker. Uh huh. And, uh, we were talking about it yesterday and, and I think Anthony Zyker is a genius. Yeah.

And he was like, Derek, that's some of the best writing I've ever seen in my life. It was incredible. It was absolutely genius the way he did it. And the little, the little, you gotta,

yeah, you gotta see it again. I don't want to spoil it for anybody who's listening but it's incredible and it has a great story a great message at the end yeah totally so it's a great no i definitely i saw the end it's all the beginning there's a little bit in between that i miss and i'm like this is the problem with the marina del rey like the amc uh they have like a dine-in theater so it's like full dinner alcohol recliner chairs you just get way too comfy i always do hit my weed pen before a movie so you're yeah you were in a different zone a couple drinks and then i was like shit i've been so excited to see this movie so i just need to

see it again because i mean most good movies i'm gonna see more than one time you haven't seen it i have not seen it yet you. I can't sit through movies. My ADD is too bad. This movie keeps you on your toes. Yeah, but this is a hit. It's really good. It keeps you on your toes. And it's based on a true story,

except for the ending changing. But it's based on a true story. And it's just, you know, Charles Manson. I mean, it's a great movie. I want to see it because they were filming it when I lived in Hollywood. So they had closed down the street and changed all the storefronts for it.

And so I drove past it and saw them change all of the Hollywood stuff. But now I want to see it in theaters. That is incredible. They all killed it. All the actors and actresses, they killed it. It's like Margot Robbie, Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio. They all killed it. They were on fire. It's a home run

for sure. And I love the message at the end for the family that would watch it. And so Sharon Tate's family and stuff just it doesn't always end in a good way but it's the storytelling you can still have a great movie and not sensationalize someone's death someone's tragic death and it's i think it's i hope it's the thing that happens more in the future yeah it was incredible but damn that the ending with the yeah i was like holy that was that was that was quentin tarantino doing his thing he had to put that in there he had to get that in there

if it wasn't in there it wouldn't be his movie yeah but even just like the girl like going crazy I mean I would kill that bitch like just shut up yeah I need to see this

you definitely need to see it we need to see it again it's gonna I don't know shit about movie theaters like you know movies as far as you know who wins awards but like that movie should win like every award

oh it will it was incredible yeah be nominated will. It was incredible. Yeah, be nominated for sure. It was incredible. Okay, I have a question. Did you follow the John Benny Ramsey case at all? Yeah. Who do you think killed her?

I got to be careful because multiple people have already been sued for that one, and I've talked about it. I go on Dr. Oz a lot and cover these cases, and I saw the special when they did it with CBS. Yes. And they think the brother, Burke, killed him. But there's people who also think there was an older brother

who could have been involved. Interesting. Or, listen, you have to be... I haven't worked the case personally, so I don't believe in conjecture, but there could be just some random transient who came in there and did it, and it's easy to point to a sibling

or someone who had immediate access, and, in fact, it was someone who was the groundskeeper. Real quick story. We just had a colleague work a case, a cold case from 1988 in Rhode Island. had immediate access and in fact it was someone who was the groundskeeper real quick story we we just had a colleague work a case a cold case from 1988 in rhode island we all thought that it was either a parent or a brother or sister all these years she went to a convenience store she would disappeared she was found days later in a river she was dead fast forward to about a month ago

there was blood in her underwear we couldn't really connect it to anybody some person submits some dna for an ancestry thing. It connects back to one of his relatives. Come to find out that relative's blood matches the blood found in this girl. Christine Cole, you can look it up. Blood matches her underwear. Come to find out this guy had zero connection to Christine Cole. He just happened to be living above the convenience store at the time when she went there.

But you never would have – nobody working nobody working in this case thought that. So you know what I mean? Like it's easy to point to the people that are aroused in her life. And in most cases, that is the situation. But something like that, the Ramsey family could have just been in a really bad situation. But most people, most experts who have worked it do believe there's a family connection. But there's been not enough to prove that in court. So as of right now,

you're innocent until proven guilty. So tell me a little more about your book undercover edge, which you sent me a copy of. Thank you. I'm terrible at reading. Of course not. I have about 15 books. Listen,

I do. She went to read it. I was like, I'm going to send it to you, but she's like, yeah, send it to my mom. She's like,

send it to my mom. I'm like, okay. Send it to me. I'll read it. I was like, I'm going to send it to you. But she's like, yeah, send it to my mom. She's like, send it to my mom. I'm like, okay. Send it to me. I'll read it. I read. I have it at home. But no, it's just for me, like, again, just with the big brother, like watching it multiple days a week, it's like my attention span when it comes to reading.

I need to just be like hyper focused and I don't read a lot of books. But a lot of my listeners do like reading books. Right, and you can do it on Audible and all that stuff too, so if they don't want to buy the book. Is that something like, did you always want to be a writer and write a book or just just... Nope, nope. Okay.

You know, it was a bucket list thing. I have two daughters. Love it. And, you know, I'm by no means like a scholar, you know, so it was something where I just basically wanted to prove that I could do it and I thought there was a mess. I didn't want to just write it because I was on television or whatever, so I decided, you know? So it was something where I just basically wanted to prove that I could do it. And I thought there was a mess. I didn't want to just write it because I was on television or whatever. So I decided, you know, everyone asked me how I won Big Brother.

And it wasn't like a strategy for the game. I used the undercover skills and techniques to interview and interrogation skills that I learned from the FBI, DEA to be successful. So I basically incorporated those undercover skills with my business degree and translated it into some type of, you know, approach that anybody can use, whether it's in business, whether it's in relationships, to learn mannerisms about the people you're speaking with so you can develop stronger personal and business relationships. So it's really something for everyone. But again, it's kind of a self-help book. It's something, you know, there's some stories about my past and I was was in a shooting how i overcame that using these techniques things like that so maybe it's for someone and maybe it isn't i'm happy i wrote it i dedicated it to my daughters so it's

one of those things it's timeless i'll be gone the book will still be here and that's why i did it how old are your daughters six and six and three oh yeah super funny yes so cute yeah so i'm in trouble definitely okay i want to get into some big brother stuff so you do have you ever seen the show i've seen pieces of it and we i know two people who are on it currently right so i want to get into that but everybody knows everybody you talked about this last night yeah i know so i wanted to ask you more about that okay so you are locked in this house for what 90 90 days? Depends. For me, it was 97. This house, I believe it's going to be 99.

Wow. Do you ever, I remember because back when I used to watch it, I remember sometimes you would get to leave the house and go on to a movie premiere, things like that. Do they still do those type of things? Sometimes it's a perk, like an America's perk, but it doesn't happen every season. My season, a couple houseguests got to go to the Dallas Cowboys training camp but for the most part you do not leave that house

unless it's a medical emergency you're stuck there unless you either get evicted or you self evict what if you wanted like a spa day do you get like massages at the house

like good luck with that can they do anything like that good luck with that I mean sometimes there's like perks or incentives like if you win a comp

but yeah for the most part and the house is not big it looks big on tv but it's not big and it's it's designed that way it's designed to break you totally we need to find we just did a spa finder giveaway we need to find we should find one of the big brother people and give them one right who do you know on the show holly and jackson yeah people same people but um should we try to get a hold of them and escape them for a spa day i know right no because i mean that's like one of the like one of janet and i's favorite things to do is you know we have our spa day so i'm like i i mean first of all i don't think i could ever be locked away for that long without my phone but like you know we need we

need our massages on a regular basis mickey mickey just did get something from america jackson as you know him but his last name is Mickey. So they call him Mickey in there. And he just won something from America. One of the most hated house guests. Oh, nice. So they sent him on a field trip where he could be possibly put on the block. But fortunately, he won and won safety.

But yeah, isn't that good? We need to escape Jackson first. Jackson's had a rough go of it so far. So just so you know, because we were just talking about this. So Spa Finder, it's literally like the world's best-selling spa gift card. It has a network that includes like thousands of spas, salons, fitness studios, and it's all over the U.S. So it's not just like something in L.A. Maybe if your wife, you know, wants an escape day, you can get massages, facials, blowouts, even yoga, all that.

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for our giveaway. And they have a bunch of really fancy hotels there, like spas and some of the fancier hotels. We should give one to a Big Brother house guest. Yeah, I think so.

The winner gets one. Okay, so going back to that. So we know Holly and Jackson. Won't say who, but Holly and I are Eskimo sisters yeah so that's how I met her

this was our conversation last night yeah so he knows too but we're not gonna go there yeah yeah yeah but so I've never been like

really warm and cuddly with her because I'm like this is how I met you that's awkward and like we have a similar look oh I think she's sweet whatever

she's okay in the show she's one of the more like house girls. She's kind of indifferent. Have you seen the before and after photos from her Facebook? Is it the same person? No, no, no. I'm saying, I don't know if that's the same person. Because I only know her looking like this really pretty brunette.

Remember when we were looking through my old photos? No, but you can still tell it's you. That's when I saw those. Are people just putting these photos out? Like, that's not her. I think that is her. And I think she just had a little bit of work done. She glowed up.

Hell yeah. Good for you, girl. No comment on my end. No comment. I haven't seen them. She was beautiful before, beautiful after. I just thought it was two different people. She's absolutely beautiful.

She's gorgeous. Every single girl in that house is absolutely. CBS, everyone's beautiful. Yes. Okay, so Jackson, a.k.a. Mickey. I've never met him. You've never met him? No, I've never met him jannon never met him no i never met him okay yeah he's from tennessee right he's from tennessee he's from nashville i believe um and yeah okay i

i've only met jackson a handful of times um he used to before he went on the show lived with uh someone i'm not friends with anymore and um juicy it's we always spill the tea here but the one thing i know about jackson is i've never seen anybody that eats more than he does. Dude, that's as they claim the fame in the house. It's disgusting. All he does is eat. I went over there one morning and I was picking up his roommate and we were going out to breakfast. And his Postmates guy was bringing in his food as I was walking up to the front door.

And he got six breakfast meals from Denny's and four milkshakes. How? And it was like pancakes, French toast, like an omelet. And they all had like hash browns and sides and like fruit and stuff. And he ate all of it. Then later went to Chick-fil-A and got like $40 worth of Chick-fil-A and then had four large pizzas for dinner. And dude, have you seen him lately? He's shredded.

He's absolutely shredded. He's getting a little weight in the house now because everybody does. Yeah. But he came in the house. I mean, I don't know how he did it, but he shredded. He has to eat between 10,000 and 20,000 calories a day. He's shredded.

Are him and Holly acting like they don't know each other? Because literally, we have the same mutual friends. I don't know if they've ever met. I've never seen them in the same room together. I just feel like it would be crazy if they don't know each other? Because literally, we have the same mutual friend. I don't know if they've ever met. I've never seen them in the same room together. I just feel like it would be crazy if they didn't know each other. I was telling Sheena last night, because it's not a secret, they're sleeping together in the house. Yeah.

So that was on the live feed, so I'm not telling anybody they don't already know. I'm trying to think. So wait, are they? I'm trying to think who. There's a roundabout way that they're kind of Eskimo sister and brother already. Well, I got a better one for you. I got a better one for you. There's a girlabout way that they're kind of eskimo sister and brother already well i got a better one for you i got a better one for you there's a girl in the house named cat and the first week in the house allegedly her uh mickey slept with cat and cat and holly know each other outside the house they had like a familiarity we were talking about this right pageants yes but cat mickey broke things off with cat in the house and said they could just be like friends

and then he started a relationship with holly's but holly and cat in the house and said they could just be like friends. And then he started a relationship with Holly. But Holly and Kat in the house are like good friends. Like they're cool with it. It's a weird. And the three of them are like, yeah. You guys can't see right now, but I'm getting these looks that like this is something they may have,

may or may not have experienced something similar in the past. I've said Sheena and I have never let a guy get between us. But they've just been between both of us. We've been Eskimo sisters many times over. Sheena and I have never let a guy get between us. But they've just been between both of us. Oh, jeez. We've been Eskimo sisters many times over. We're always really cool about it. We ask permission first. And there's been times where we've said no

and times where we've said yes. But then there have been times where I refer one to her, she refers one to me. Well, that's good. You're cutting out the guys who don't cut it. Yeah, shine is caring. Right. Yeah.

Jesus. This is LA, you know? Who do you think this season is playing the smartest game? And if you were in the house, who would you align with? This season is very weak gameplay-wise. That's what I've heard. Yeah, it's very weak gameplay-wise. Tommy's playing a pretty good game.

There's a couple outsiders that I would like to see make it to the end. Cliff, Nicole, Jess, even Kat to an extent. Although she's not – I don't think she's playing a great game. But the level of gameplay in comparison to like last season, it's not – there's no comparison. So the bar has kind of been set low for what's good gameplay. But based on what I've seen so far, although it could change on a dime in this house, I say Tommy is playing the best game. He's got a good chance. But they are all running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

So it's really anybody. I honestly do not know who's going to win. How many days do they have left at this point? I think they've been in there like 46 days at this point. Like halfway? Yeah, they're halfway. They just had their halfway party the other night. Would you go back into the house ever?

I've been asked about it. I've been asked about it from production. I don't know if it would ever logistically come together because a lot of the players who would deserve the opportunity to go back and have moved on with their lives like they have families they have kids when i went in the first time my daughter was 18 months old oh my gosh now i have two daughters and if i'm out here for a week and i was facetiming her before i walked in here so because they're on the east coast so it it's something where it would be selfish of me to go in again.

Yeah. You know, and I've been asked to do other shows like, you know, you have like the race and stuff where you're approached about it. And it's like,

you know, when you have children, it's different. You know, like I have to think about them more than myself. Absolutely. And I went in there,

I had a bucket list. I achieved my goal. Yeah. What else do I have to prove? Yeah. You know, so I never say never because if they said to me

hey we're gonna put the best players in there the competitor in me would be like well fuck it let's see who's the best player right but i don't think they would ever do that because you know you're you've been on television a lot longer than me they're gonna put people in there that are good at the game but also very entertaining oh that's not the same thing yeah so i don't want to be in there with the people who are just getting drunk and acting stupid because that's not that's not me you're there to win. I'm there to win. And that's just going to take away from the strategy of the game.

So I'm boring. They're entertaining. So more than likely you would see – It's a good balance though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably not. Are you still friends with anyone from your season? All of them.

We were talking about – Is Cody still single? Cody is with – has a girlfriend now. Oh, here we go. Cody's a stud. Have you seen Cody yet? No, I don't think so. Yeah, I was asking for a friend. He's a stud. He's a stud. This is our referral program. Here we go cody's a stud have you seen cody yet no i don't think so yeah i was asking for a friend he's a stud he's a stud this is our referral program here we go he's he's he's in a

i believe longer than a year now and and they are very happy together christy they're very happy together um i've met her beautiful girl and uh she's made him a better person so yeah he's happily tied up uh-huh um But we're still very close. My daughters call him Uncle Cody. And I'm close with a lot of the other house guests as well. Frankie, who's Ariana Grande's brother. We're still close. Caleb.

I'm still close with all of them. We want to get together. It's tough, though, because we're all throughout the country. But we still talk. We had a very good cast. No real drama. No TMZ articles. You know.

Yeah. So things worked out well on my season. I think that's why people gravitated towards our season we played the game i loved it yeah we played the game but we kept it we kept it in perspective that it was just a game yeah and that and some that gets lost in there a lot what do you think about the racist comments that jack had made like do you think that they were taken out of context oh god you would ask me this question um actually my mom wanted to know okay here's my here's my thing a lot of what was shown by julie the night like she called them out on national tv yeah and when she when you show those those comments in the in that context they look racist it's that simple and maybe they are but i

haven't watched enough to know what his mindset is behind it i will say this i don't wonder what your mom thought about it but he had like great answers like perfect answers to it like he was able to explain everything for a guy who didn't know it was coming he explained everything very well but again personally i wouldn't say those things yeah so for me they're uncalled for he had an explanation for. I was in there so I can put my money where my mouth is. I was never accused of any of that. So if you're going to say those things, know there's going to be consequences,

whether you meant it that way or not. You're on national television 24-7. But what happens is if you have these biases, you have this unconscious bias, it's going to come out there eventually, whether you want it to or not. So I don't know the guy well enough to know what he feels about certain races or religions. I didn't like that those things were said.

I'll go a step further to answer your mom. There's a guy, Nick, in the house who made a comment about Kemi, who is a person of color. But regardless of whether she's a person of color or not, he basically said, I'm going to spit in that girl's face. And to me, that gets you punched in the mouth where I'm from. And again, someone with two daughters. And I see that on your show. And you have a lot of listeners.

And I've said it on Twitter. I would tell them to his face. So that, to me, bothers me more. Because that's not taken out of context. I want to spit in her face. There's no other way to work that out. There's no other way to take that. So you're a douche.

You're a douche. So I've said it publicly a couple times. I don't like him. I don't like him. So that bothers me more because there's no way to misinterpret that. Do you think Jackson is kind of a douche? I know he's been kind of rude to some of the girls in the house. Again, the people who have strong opinions watch the feeds because they don't show a lot of it.

Yeah, like the After Dark. Right. And I don't have enough time to watch all that because I have children. Yeah, you have a life. So it's tough. I do watch some of it. I do catch up the feed sometimes. But again, the people who are seeing these things and grabbing them. I know he's made some comments that have off put people. Yeah. And again, at the end of the day, he will be judged when he gets out. It's that simple. You know, my sister wanted to know what your thoughts were on the eight, the nine, then six person alliance.

I mean, that was one, then six person alliance. I mean, that was one of the worst big alliances. Like nobody likes big alliances, but that was like the most, the weakest big alliance I've ever seen. Like they were fractured the minute they formed. Like we had a big alliance. She knows this. And we crushed it. Yeah.

We went to eight and then we went to six, but only because we had nobody else to go after. Yeah. And so we were a very strong group and we didn't break. Where this group, the first week they got together, they were talking talking shit about each other so you knew the loyalty wasn't there and that's why they're down to like are they even four anymore they might be maybe i don't know they're not very they they're they're i think it was called grateful when it was eight with the word eight great oh it won't be remembered yeah it won't it won't be remembered as one of the better alliances for sure right yeah your sister needs to go on i know i mean she really wanted to but she was saying she's like oh my god i'm so glad i didn't on season 21 because she said it's

just kind of lame this year but she just has such an incredible job right now that she could not take even a month off let alone potentially and that's the other problem to get good quality contestants that can just leave whatever they're doing for three months. Yeah. It's tough. I think eventually she'll do it. She should.

She's been watching that show her entire life. I remember being at a game, like a high school football game, and I was cheerleading, and it was the first season. And I remember during a little break or after a touchdown or something, I ran to the stands and I was like, Mom, who won Big Brother? Who won Big Brother? It's a crazy show's a crazy show so long it's been on i remember meeting your sister and she was like dude the season was awesome yeah like it is a cool show and people like you can meet people and all of a sudden they're like talking big brother no matter if

you know him or not personally yeah you have an instant connection totally yeah go big brother definitely um so when you pulled up and we saw you, what kind of – Janet had a fun story about your car. You have an F-Type. Is that what your car is? I love those. I'm a huge Lana Del Rey fan. And so she did all of their commercials when they released the F-Type a couple years ago. And then it was all in her music video.

So when I moved out here, I wanted one. So I rented one for a day or two. And I parked it on my street one night. And I woke up the next morning and somebody sideswiped it. You give me heart palpitations right now because that's my biggest fear while I'm like – because it's not my car. So I got to pay for a big chunk of the car and then give it back and not get it, which was not fun. How nice is that car though? It's so fun to drive, especially like I took it up through the hills and just was like but always a speed limit of course like sure

65 miles an hour that thing is awesome yeah maybe one day but at that time i was like no i'm not paying thousands of dollars to repair this car give it back and then buying it's a sick car i got a hookup out here they took care of me they said hey we want you to have a nice car. I got a hookup out here. They took care of me. They said, hey, we want you to have a nice car. And I was like, okay. No, it's so dope. It's dope. I wish it was mine. You know, Janet, our friends are worth a true car. If you want to trade in your car, sell it.

I might as well look. You could get your Lana Del Rey dream car. They're honestly not that expensive. I know, but they're, well. But honestly, I mean, it's not that practical either. Like, I got to tell you, like, it's small. It's very small. And they're two-seater. Like, I mean, It's very small. And they're two-seater.

I mean, I don't know. I have a two-seater. And I also have an SUV. Yeah, but that's the thing. You have both. I have both. I needed the best of both worlds. So you can have your cake and eat it too.

If you need to transport something, you have it. But if you have one car, that car makes it. I mean, I got a backpack in there. That's about all I can fit. I know. It's a good one to zip around, though. Maybe I'll keep my Jeep and look into another one. Your car. I love your car. I love both of them. get a backpack in there that's about yeah i know it's a good one to zip around though yeah maybe i'll keep my jeep and look into your car i love your car i love both of them the wrap is so fun

i need to get it rewrapped she's picking at it i know it's starting to come up come off a little bit but um have you ever heard of true car true car yeah i have not tell me about it so it's where you can find out what your car is worth and then you can sell or trade it in. You just like enter your license plate number and all the details of your car just pop up. And then you like answer a few questions like navigation, moonroof and all of that. So it's like you already knew what it was going to cost you. But now you know how much it's going to ding your wallet. So you can plan ahead.

That's awesome. And once you're finished, you'll get a true cash offer set in minutes, which you can take to a local certified dealer to cash out and trade it in. I need to look into it. Janet? I miss that car. The Jaguar F-Type is calling your name. It is.

It's been calling my name for a while now. If you want to get it just check out True Car but the True Cash offer is not available in all areas. I love it. It's got a lot of that.

The screamer. Yeah. Okay, so tell everyone where they can find you your show your book all of it okay wow there's no um twitter derrick l d-e-r-r-i-c-k derrick l and uh my instagram's derrick levasseur you can look up how to spell my last name if you're really that i'm following him so you guys can just go on my page yeah we follow each other um the book's called the undercover edge it's a you know like i said turning detective skills into life practices that you can use in Following him so you guys can just go on my page. Yeah, we follow each other. The book's called The Undercover Edge. It's, like I said, turning detective skills into life practices that you can use in everyday socials and in business.

And it's an audio book, so they could listen to it right after this. It's an audio book. Yeah, check it out. I wonder how well it's doing audio, but I should check into that. You should. I know the hardcover did really well. We were a bestseller. But I don't know about the audio. I'm assuming it did well.

Checks are cashing yeah um and then uh breaking homicide just just just ended so but if you want on demand though on demand you can go on you can go on id go and check it out hulu all that good stuff and um if you've watched dr raj you you know probably see me on there again yeah awesome maybe i'll be on vanderpump probably not yeah hey well we just wrapped season eight so maybe i can't hang with you guys i've hung out with you guys yeah a few times and you guys are beast yeah we did an event in texas tom ariana peter it was awesome and i'm a fan i was a fan of vanderpump i was watching it religiously and they were all great and i'm not saying because we're sitting here like i said it last night after dinner you know you guys are all genuine people

you know there's always edits on shows or whatever but even though you guys have been on TV for so long you're still down to earth you still talk to people that's a great attribute so kudos to you guys

they still all fight and hate each other there might be a murder to solve one day but that's why the show is lasting because it's real it's not bullshit

so good to you it was so funny I saw him at Sur last night I also had like this event that I needed to show up for. So Natalie, the owner of Sir, did not give me many details for this event. She just asked if I was available from seven to nine. I was like, oh, my God, my friend Derek's going to be there the exact same time. Like, that's perfect.

I can do both at the same time. So she was like, yeah, she goes, it's these women from Beautycon. They're in town. They just would really love to meet you. Take photos i'm like all right awesome so we had you know our finale monday night the two-year one year one year anniversary of tom tom one year anniversary tom tom and um so i wait you got there with for the beauty con beauty con because you thought there's gonna be a bunch of women oh so yeah see i'm still brain dead from the other night okay so no so we had that party monday night and then tuesday i'm just like okay wait why did i agree to do this like i was just

like you know i'm like trying to get dressed i'm looking around and i'm just like sometimes i just pick up the first thing i find on the floor the first thing i see in my closet and i was like oh this dress is it's cute i'm, it's like a see-through mesh like Kim K wore something like that. I've worn it on a carpet before. But I'm like, this isn't like a red carpet event, so I can totally repeat this outfit. It's very like chic and trendy. Like I'm thinking it's going to be like a bunch of like Carly Bible type of girls

at this event. So I get to the event. Oh, no, no, no. It was a toddlers and tiaras event. There were children there there i'm taking photos i look like a whore that's the first thing she said to me she goes oh my god i took all these photos look what i'm wearing i'm like trying to like pose my body to the side and like cover because it's so see-through you see my lacy bra i would thought i was meeting like women in their

mid-20s to 30s, beauty experts. It was all teenagers. No, no. It was children. I was like, I've never been so uncomfortable, more embarrassed. Can anybody have a jacket I can borrow? And I asked my friend Brett to bring me a jacket. But he's like, we're still at TomTom. And I'm like, I need the jacket.

It's sir. Oh, no. So I did my job. I took photos with all of them. Show it to all the moms. I'm going to look through your tagged photos and find one of these. But the mom loved me. She was like, oh, she's like, you know, if you're going to be in New York for Fashion Week,

like, we'd love to, like, you know, have you come to some of our events and this and that. And I'm like, okay, awesome. Sounds great. But I just thought it was so funny because, like, after I saw him right away and I was like, oh, my God. She's like, I have to tell you something. I was like, I was like, Sir has changed a lot since the last time I've been here. It's all like 10 and 12 year olds. Seriously.

And she's like, I had to just take since the last time I've been here. It's all like 10 and 12 year olds. Seriously. And she's like, I had to just take 150 photos with them. Yeah, with children. And I'm dressed like this and like, yeah, I had to like alter the outfit so it covered as much as possible. That's amazing.

It was, yeah. But they were all happy. Oh yeah, they were selfie-ing it up. I was just like, and then I like walked up to TomTom after and everyone's like, damn, you look so good. Love that dress.

I'm like, yeah, see, I thought I was going to something where people would say that. PG-13 R-rated dress. Not for the PG. Yeah. But it was like a group of these. I mean, literally, like they all like were like the JonBenet looking girls, like drop

dead gorgeous, like pageant girls, like perfect braids, diamonds. Like they just all were like stunning children. And I guess it's like a, a group of, like, aspiring models and actresses. And so they brought them all to BeautyCon, and then they wanted to bring them to Sir. Wow. And I'm like, yeah, I just did not have the details.

That's amazing. So I was not dressed properly. I think they were still very happy. Yeah, I think so. But anyways, well, this is fun. I'm glad you're in town and we got to do this. This is, like, impromptu. Thanks for letting us pick your brain.

We were just having a drink, and she's like, you want to do a podcast tomorrow? I'm like, yeah, let's do that. Let's do it. Let's do that. So thank you for having me. Yes, thanks for being here. Awesome time. Bye.

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