Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - VPR Season 11 Final Thoughts

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

This week, Scheana and Kiki are digesting the VPR Reunion-Part 3 and sharing details about their Memorial Day weekends. How did Kiki end up at the bar with ex’s Alexis & Jim Bellino (RHOC), and which iconic reality star gave Janet some advice while at their pool party? Plus, what is Scheana’s connection to Jax’s new fling, and who reached out to Scheana last week after she commented “WTF” on a curious photo of Brittany with someone she had recently blocked? Tune in to find out!  Follow us: @scheana @scheananigans Guests: @thetalkofshame The video version of this episode will be available on Scheana’s YouTube page on Friday, May 31st. Episode Sponsors:Get an exclusive 15% iff your entire order when you use code GOODASGOLD at checkout at lolavie.com.Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code GOODASGOLD at OSEAMalibu.com.Say hello to your IRL makeup filter in a bottle, COVERGIRL's Simply Ageless Skin Perfector Essence. Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.Visit lulus.com and use code SUMMERHONEY at checkout for 20% off your first purchase.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's just a one-on-one Kiki today, me and you. I know. We never have one-on-one girl time. I thought it would be a good way to kind of wrap up the season and just, you know, close out the VPR talk for now. I'm sure something always is going to come up. It's like a therapy session. I think that you might need it. Yeah, I know. All right. I'm sure something always is going to come up. It's like a therapy session. I think that you might need it. Yeah, I know. All right. I'm going to put my headphones on. And then

before we get into the rest, I do want to get back into what we were saying about summer. This season. Yes. I mean, they did the unseen or extra moments on the Peacock version and watching Ariana and Katie and lala babysit her was just the cutest because like hey she was like she woke up and she was kind of like mommy but then when she wasn't there she's like okay i got my other girls all right let's do the play-doh and then they're like star and she's like noodle yeah i think they didn't show it which i'm thankful but lala said i mean she had a full meltdown upstairs when she realized I wasn't there. And then finally she calmed down. So I think they just weren't upstairs.

Got it. And that's why she came down with no pants. Oh, I didn't even notice that. No, that was when Brock watched it. He goes, did she just have her diaper on? I was like, yeah, when we came home that day, I looked at Lala and she had like a longer cute shirt on. Okay.

But I was like, she was like, Sheena, it doesn't matter. And I'm like, okay, it's fine. My kid was just filming in just her diaper, but it's fine. But she was like, no, like, Sheena, it doesn't matter. And I'm like, OK, it's fine. My kid was just filming in just her diaper, but it's fine. But she was like, no, she had a full meltdown upstairs. I was not trying to put pants back on her. I was like, OK, they're good. Like, I remember when my my friends started having kids and I was like, please. I was like, first of all, I'm not going to watch them until their necks are strong.

I do not do like the loose neck, neck, baby. Terrifying. Yeah. And then even then I was like my one friend I was like I'm not gonna feed them because like choking babies yeah and I was like so I'll watch them but you have to feed them before after and one time she had to run out and like I had to feed I basically left the baby in a diaper in the high chair I would not let him out and I cut the grapes it was grape juice I cut the grapes up so small it was was just, I was like, I can't. I was like, I can't.

No, that sounds like me as a mother when she hit six months and I'm like, wait, we have to give her food. I'm like, okay, avocado. Yeah.

That's soft. Anything mushed puree. And then Stassi was doing the baby led weaning with Hartford. Okay. And that's where like the kid just takes a full piece of food and they just figure it out. And if they choke, but that's how they learn.

And I'm like, Oh yeah, no, I make sure to like smash everything. And I mean, there are so many different ways of parenting and to each their own, you know, but I, I was terrified to have her eat anything. I was so like when I found out they had invented like these popcorn that basically melt in your mouth, I was like, perfect. You get melty food and juice. Yeah, no, seriously. So I'm with you on that. And that's the thing. Like, I don't miss the newborn stage at all. I feel like I'm

a rare breed in the mom's sense of that where people are like, oh, I just miss my little baby. And I'm like, no, I loved when she could hold her head up and, you know, sit up, crawl, roll over. And I just I felt so much more confident when she could communicate with me that now I'm like, I do not want to go back. And that's like one reason why I don't necessarily want another baby, because that stage was so scary. I imagine like that's the stage that I think that I couldn't I couldn't get past. Yeah. The head was that was the worst. I had a dream when I was pregnant it was actually a nightmare it was very vivid that when I held her her head fell off oh

god and that's where the intrusive postpartum OCDs like thoughts started I think it was when I was still pregnant from that dream oh wow it was so terrifying that's scary yeah I was able to in the dream nightmare put it back on and she was fine. But yeah. Yeah. So I'm not a fan of that loose neck either. But anyways, how was your weekend? We had a long weekend. It was.

I was like, I started a tradition with like two of my friends. We go to Palm Springs like every Memorial Day. I love that. Or weekend. And so we rented a house and we just do a whole lot of nothing. I had to do a little bit because I found out that Alexis Bellino, you know, she's coming back to Orange County. Right. And so she was doing a guest bartending spot at Jim.

I guess her and Jim Bellino are still friends, which I was surprised by. And he has a bar in Palm Springs. And so she was going to be guest bartending there on like Sunday. And I was like, well, I have to go see this. And I also wanted to see if like John Jansen was going to be there and like all of the things. Was he? He was. Oh my gosh. He was there.

And they were at like, there was like a VIP table that I think, I didn't realize she was sitting there because they were like, oh, do you want to sit here? And it was like three chairs in a row. And I was like, oh no, I don't want to. It was all, I was like, no. And then I realized, oh, I was like, oh, that was the VIP table. Sorry. I'm going to go sit over here. But yeah. And then she was like shaking up drinks and

yeah, doing that. Did she ever bartend back in her day? I don't know. I didn't ask her. Interesting. Yeah. I had some beef with her last BravoCon. Wait, did you? I think you wait. Did you mention this before? What was it about? I don't remember Said an inappropriate comment. I thought about Gretchen and Slade when she was on stage I think it ended up getting cut it didn't air

But when she got up she was like oh and I'm like the only woman who hasn't slept with Slade smiley up here and at first I kind of like had a chuckle and then I look back at the Teleprompter cuz I'm like, I mean we knew when we were doing any part of BravoCon, like what was the script and whatnot. So I'm like, damn, Gretchen, like you're OK. And I look and I was like, wait, that was not on the script. And then Andy came up on stage and he was like, this is not a part of the show. OK. And so then later that night she had introduced herself to me and I go, oh, you're the one who made a rude comment about my friend Gretchen's husband on stage.

And what did she say? And she was just like, um, what? And I was like, yeah, nice to meet you. And I walked away. And then I think I maybe said this on the podcast or somehow it got back to her and she was like, we never had any interaction or this. And I'm like, well, you had a little too much to drink that night. And I was pretty sober.

And I remember that vividly because I went straight to Gretchen and Slade and I was like oh yeah she just tried to say hi to me and I had your back so do you guys still have beef or is it squashed I don't know maybe this podcast will resurface some new beef we'll see stay tuned next season just kidding so wait did you also go to the summer house was there like a watch party or something yeah so that was last night so like Bravo because they're not doing BravoCon, they're doing these like kind of, I think, mini events. I did hear about this.

And so they had one in New York and then one in L.A., but they were showing the Summer House finale at both of them. Oh, because that doesn't air till next or is it this week? It airs this week.

This week. OK. And so we got to watch that and then they had three Bravo lebs at each. I think the Summer House people were mostly at the New York one. But we did have West at the L.A. one. I love him. And then we also had Lisa from Real Housewives of Dubai because they did a preview of that. And then we had we had Jen Fessler from Real Housewives of New Jersey because they also did a preview of that too.

Oh fun. Yeah, it was fun. I mean, I think that I think that you know learning curves because it's like the first event there because the one thing was everyone was so excited to be there that they couldn't stop talking but there weren't captions on the screen so we missed I felt like a good 20 minutes of the episode which is like because like and this is the finale

episode this is when Carl and Lindsay break up but by the end of it everyone was like shh shut up and so everyone shut up But by the end of it, everyone was like, shh, shut up. And so everyone shut up. So we got to see that scene, which was. Tell me. By the time this is out, that'll have aired. So for me, I'm really I've gone back and forth with the Carl Lindsay thing.

Yeah. When they first broke up, of course, was immediately like, how dare you, Carl? Then as the season played out and I saw some of the things Lindsay was saying to him I was like oh my god that's awful how dare you use his addiction against him then in the last few episodes he kept telling Lindsay to be soft and there was something tender and it was it literally was I wanted to jump through the screen and strangle him because a Lindsay has never been soft she's not that person person, no. Not that person. You've known her for eight, nine years. Yeah. And also, she is actually managing the entire household right now.

She's holding it down. Why does she need to be taking care of business but also be soft? Like, why do women have to be this? It's like that Barbie monologue that America for Her did. Right, we have to be this, but then not this. And this and this. Yeah. And watching the breakup scene, I will say was the most horrific thing.

I think I want to rewatch it, not in a bar setting, because I think that I'll be more emotional, but you could see that she was brokenhearted, but I've also been doing a summer house rewatch. So I started from, you know, season one.

Carl hasn't changed is the thing. It's like Carl hasn't changed and I'm realizing that but also I think a lot of Lindsay I think she's repeating some of the habits in her picking of men as well I personally think that she was really in love with Everett I don't know I think that she always thought he was the one and I think that I see a lot of similarities between Everett and Carl and And I don't know. It's just really interesting. I want to keep watching to see how it plays out.

But I think that she's only ever wanted to be married and in love. And at this point, I just want her to find someone. She's dating someone, right? I heard she's dating someone. I heard it's someone from her past that she's dated before. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I've heard. Everett was also at the non-wedding in Mexico with his wife, who I think she was pregnant.

Yeah. But that's interesting you say that. Sometimes I don't know if people send my stories to people because then Everett started DMing me because I was reposting the stories because I was saying, you know, I really hope that people made up with the gossip girl chick from season one. Cause I was like, I feel like she got a raw deal. I felt like she was just telling Lindsay and the other girls the truth

and they didn't really want to hear it. Yeah. Or Christina, that one. Oh yes. The one from us weekly. Right. Yes.

And Everett was like, no, she just like, she just wanted to, you know, be a gossip girl and tell everyone's business, but she didn't want to share her own. And I was like, and she was like,ett was like, no, she just like she just wanted to, you know, be a gossip girl and tell everyone's business. But she didn't want to share her own. And I was like and she was like he was like there was no makeup. And I was like, OK. I mean, and now she's successful with us weekly.

So, you know, she is telling everyone's business and not having to tell her own. That's funny. Well, you mentioned watching that at a bar, which reminded me of something else I saw at a bar this weekend. Jeremy Maddox did a birthday event at Jax's bar, and Jax brought that girl Paige, who I know people have been seeing that she was on my podcast. A few years ago, I was still pregnant when she did my podcast. She was pitched as a guest from Action Park Media, who I used to be with got it because she has an instagram account called dudes in the dms okay and nemo was like friends with her and she I think did his podcast at the time

so they're like oh you don't have a guest for next week do you want to have page woolen on and I was like sure whatever no idea who she was no idea who she was so just want to put that out there it's not like she was like a friend of mine she was on my podcast because she was pitched by my company okay but after they sang happy birthday the and i'm pregnant i was like this sense of humor that you think you have is not going to fly in this group with this audience there's nothing funny about what you said. And by her saying that, it opened up a door to so many people to scrutinize Jackson Brittany's parenting, talk about Cruz. And just I know Brittany was really upset this weekend because of that. Yeah, I saw she posted because someone went into the comment section and said something nasty about her parenting. She responded to it.

But then luckily, the creator was nice enough to block that person. So I couldn't see what the original comment was. But yeah, Brittany responded, you know, basically like I'm with my son all the time. You have no idea from like a little, you know, moment that you see on TV. And again, to be even be attacking a child and like anything about that is just it's just like you are just a gross, it's just like, you are just a gross human. Yeah.

Like, who are you? Yeah. And they are doing everything for that kid. They have him in speech therapy, occupational therapy. He's in preschool. He's in swim lessons. Like, they have him doing all of the things. And they didn't have to share that with us.

They could have absolutely kept that off camera. Yeah. And they're sharing that because so many people relate to that. And like to use that against them is so wrong. Yeah. And I think this is also still new to them. You know, they're navigating Cruz's needs and what type of care he needs. And I think, you know, now there is going to be a season two.

Maybe this is something that you'll see more about because one of the comments I saw, she's like, you so much more for the community blah blah it's like maybe they are and they just haven't yet because they're figuring things out they're new parents this is their first kid and like yeah none of us know what the we're doing exactly like I remember when I had a friend who thought that maybe you know her child may have been dealing with autism and you know there's just so many levels because first you kind of have to go through grief because you go through this grief of like the life you thought your kid might have. And it looks way different now. You have to go through that stage and then you have to go through like, OK, now I have to handle it. So, you know, it's it's new.

Yeah. No, it's hard. But you weren't at the birthday party. No, I had a family luau that day. Got it. Yeah. I did do a birthday dinner with Jeremy when we were in Orange County last week.

He was going to be there with some friends in Dana Point and we met him for dinner after we did a boat day with our friends and their daughters. Summer had a little play date. Okay. So wait, how did Jax meet Paige? I mean, because I guess I thought she was somehow in the friend group already. No, apparently

Paige's dad won a round of golf at some like charity event to play a round of golf with Jax and then he was like oh you should meet my daughter really not no can I also tell you just like a sidebar but last year at a Chargers game I'm there with my mom and there's this really hot girl sitting next to me with an older guy and my mom and i are just like are they dating are they father daughter like we can't really tell all of a sudden this girl turns to me she goes oh she's like i was on your podcast and i was like i mean i've been doing this for like six and a half years now but I'm like I think I would remember I guess and I was like oh yeah and I'm like racking my brain and then she said Paige and I'm like yeah and I'm like oh oh my gosh the dudes in the DMs girl okay so then I'm like is this

your like I I couldn't tell it was just it, okay. But yeah, so when I heard that the dad introduced her to Jax, I was like, okay. That's just also interesting because if the dad bid on Jax, then he knows enough about Jax. He knows he's married. That's also kind of a weird, I mean, I know that they're going through a thing, but still. Yeah. So it was interesting. But anyway. Yeah. We're going gonna take a quick little

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like something you can coat your throat with that could like at least get you through the night yeah something something i hate it like because everyone judges you when you're like in public and you're coughing you're just like look oh I know now oh my gosh you cannot cough in public you're like just a walking play yeah exactly yeah so I'm so curious though because I mean we were talking about Britney and Jax and I know that like there's so much speculation going on with like nobody knows what's happening I mean maybe close friends I don't know but you had made a comment under a creator's account where you were like you saw a picture I think it was Brittany and Lori the publicist because we hadn't everyone you know they had

supposedly taken her email out of the bio all of these things and then we see her together and you commented WTF like what made you do that I mean that was literally when that post was sent to me that was the text I sent my friend I was like WTF and I'm like I think I need to go comment that because it was just like huh first of all I love Britney she's one of my closest dearest friends the shirt confused me and then Lori next to her I was like what the fuck yeah I was so confused because I mean obviously you have more insider knowledge than most people do which I mean obviously you could choose to share but you don't

so when you say that it kind of alludes to like there's a reason for it to be WTF I mean yeah there's a reason I guess why they're hanging out again too I didn't think we would ever see Lori KPR again oh Oh, wow. And did, like, Brittany, like, did she

see that and did she say anything to you when she saw that comment? She didn't. Zach called me almost immediately and was like, hey, Bill. And I was like, hi. It was actually when we were leaving the podcast last week. Okay. Janet and I were driving home together and I was like, wait, Zach's calling me.

Like, Zach and I don't talk on the phone okay so I was like I'm just gonna answer and put it on speakerphone you know like I would just expect in this group anytime we have any conversation just assume you're on speakerphone someone else is listening obviously not recording that's illegal but I assume someone else is listening I even said that to Zach I go I don't know who you're with right now I know if you're with Lori or with Brittany but anything I'm saying, you can feel free to repeat and say to them or they're listening right now. And he's like, well, I assume I'm on speaker too.

And I just, I didn't confirm nor deny that. But he was like, hey boo. So I saw you made this comment and you know, like all those rumors, they're not true. And if you could maybe just like take it down. And I was like, no, actually, I stand by that comment. I can take this up with Jax or Brittany, but what the fuck? Wow.

That's how I feel. And I feel like it is not my story to get into the details to share. That is something that hopefully Json britney maybe discuss on their podcast because i think a lot of the people are thinking wts yeah do you think britney told zach to call you or do you think he did it on his own just like to like preemptively like get ahead of it or something honestly i don't know he might have just done that on his own i feel like britney is the type where she'll just call me immediately. Like if it's something that is bothering her, she'll get to the bottom of it right away.

Okay. There was something last week that via Jax got said to Brittany. That was like, not true, but she immediately called me and was like, did you say? And I was like, no,

come on. I was like, Brittany is coming from Jax. Yeah. No, that is not what was said. So no, I think that was just Zach seeing it and immediately calling me being like, let me do damage control.

So the publicist is back or she she never went away. I think she went away for like a week. OK, but apparently she's back. I don't know if Britney's updated her bio, but OK, I'm still confused. This is back. All right. I hope she has some good work. Yeah. still confused by that this is back all right i hope she has some good work yeah also the thing is he was like well you know laurie she is like a private person or something like that and i'm like hold up i and just as a side note i also got a text from laurie that day a long text asking me to not be putting things publicly about her out there. And I'm like, well, up until this podcast right now, I have not done that. I've kept my mouth pretty shut

about what I feel about the situation and I'm still not even gonna get into that. But I'm sorry, if you wanna live a private life and you have a husband or an ex-husband or whatever, two kids, a baby daddy at home that you're trying to protect, maybe don't parade yourself on red carpets with your clients maybe don't be feeding them shots down their

throats at events which I've witnessed Lori I think even filmed some of the valley with them this season oh really I don't know if it was when cameras picked back up okay but I know there were like paparazzi photos of her there a day that they were filming okay so it's like you fully inserted yourself in this world so if you put yourself in it then you have to take what comes with it yeah i mean because i've been meeting a lot more publicists lately and i'm like i never see them really with their client unless it's like behind closed doors but it's not like on red carpets or any of that thing. So that's an interesting choice.

Her posting the photos like face to face next to Jack's and hands around each other. And yeah, I mean, it's going to be the optics look. So if you don't want those optics to be red, you should, yeah,

be very mindful of it. Cause the first thing people say is like body language. Literally. So when that rumor, you know, came out. Yeah. So Zach is. Well, there was comments made apparently that he had made about Janet.

I know that's been like a thing that's going on. And you had mentioned it, I think, on your pod that you said something about like, was it a death wish on her? So I think it was. And I don't even know if any of it's going to air but it was something along the lines of Janet being so stressed out it was like oh my god I feel like you're going to cause me to have a miscarriage and he said something along the lines of I don't care if you

do. Now if okay saying something like that is like disgusting and obviously Brittany is best friends with him but also good friends with Janet so like you would think that if he said something that cruel like he would not be friends with him, but also good friends with Janet. So like you would think that if he said something that cruel, like he would not be friends with Brittany anymore, but like they're cool. So Brittany didn't talk to him for several months.

Okay. It was, I think not until her birthday dinner that Zach was like hitting her up so much. Like, what are we doing for your birthday? And they had like friends and family in town from Kentucky who he wanted to see. And I think Jax's family was around and Zach was just putting so much effort in that Brittany was like, okay, well maybe I'll hear him out and let him come because Janet wasn't going to the birthday dinner. But from whenever they wrapped in, was it like September or October? She didn't talk to him for a few months. And I know his birthday is in October. She didn't do anything with him for his birthday so there definitely was

some distance now did he apologize to Janet he did okay yeah he's apologized I think via text and I'm not sure maybe in person as well but I know he definitely did and he's apologized to me he's apologized to everyone so I don't

I don't think we'll see those comments I don't know if they were said when they were filming, but I know immediately after, like, Janet was texting me that night and she was distraught. I mean, as someone who's lost a baby, that is just the worst thing you could say to someone. Well, yeah. I mean, and Kristen also, I mean,

she had a miscarriage as well. So, like, and she's friends with Zach. I mean, did she? I hope so. I hope she put him in his place. Because, I mean, they she? I hope so. I hope she put him in his place. Okay. Because, I mean, they're pretty thick. So, I don't know. I can't wait for season two, though. I mean, I think it's going to be very, very good.

I think so, too. It's going to be, I think, also very real. I think it is more real in this day and age to relate to a divorced couple, a separated couple, people with parenting, you know, having to do drop offs and figure out that type of life rather than a happily married couple with a kid. I feel like more people in this world are not together anymore and they are having to split custody and whatnot. So I think that will be really interesting and relatable to see. I mean, it sucks for my friends who I love and care about that they're going through this.

But I do think that Michelle is much happier now. And I think Brittany hasn't been getting sick as much or breaking out in hives. Oh, yeah. Because I think she's not puking anymore, right? Like ever since. No, her body was having a very severe physical reaction to the point where she actually got hospitalized once. Oh, my God. And it was like.

From the stress. Yeah. And it was like, well, it wasn't a stroke. It's not MS. It's not like they're like ruling out all of these things. And it's like, I think you're just stressed. Oh, my God. Like he was actually causing her body to have this physical reaction in different ways.

Well, when you see how he like talks to her, it's not surprising. I mean, that entire scene in Big Bear was so I'm on the I'm on a TV on the other side and I am cringing with uncomfortableness. Like, this is not appropriate way to talk to your wife. And also, like the way he kept comparing her, like, how come 10 other wives can get drunk and none of them are puking but you? And it's just like, why are you making your wife feel bad because she's not doing what other women are doing? Like, who cares? Brittany's also missing a gallbladder.

And I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I would assume that when you're missing an organ, maybe your body doesn't function like the 10 other women. Yeah. It was also nice to see, though. doesn't function like the 10 other women. Yeah. It was also nice to see though, I mean not nice to see, but like, you know, people in the beginning thought Nia and Danny were going to be so boring, but then he got drunk in

Big Bear and like, you know, they say what is it, drunken mouths tell the truth or something like that. And his real emotions started coming out. It was really interesting to see his dynamic and I don't know if it was Janet's husband, if it was Jason who pointed it out, but how normally she could be like, oh, we got to go feed the baby or, oh, we got to go.

And normally she can avoid it. But like they're in the house and they can't leave anywhere. That, I mean. So she sent him to bed. Yeah, she sent him to bed. And so I think that's going to be a really interesting dynamic as well, because it's like, even if you're still married and you want to make it work, these are the compromises. These are the things happening.

These men, though, they really want a lot of pats on the backs for taking care of their kids. The amount of times, Danny, I love him, but the amount of times he said he has three under two. Does anyone else have three kids? Like, why are you asking that? You know no one else here does. No one else has two kids.

Some don't have one. So, yeah. But, I mean, I love them. But I do think that, yeah, when the people in this group drink, there can be some problematic behavior. And I think you'll probably see more of that on season two since they're not getting a reunion because I feel like things that would be addressed on the reunion. I know Danny's drinking would be one of them. Now it's just going to be season two. I mean, here's the thing. I love Summer House Martha's Vineyard. I am so sad it's going on pause. But if you kind of knew it was going on pause, I would have given that reunion to the Valley. Right. Just give me a clubhouse reunion. Anything. Yeah. Well, they were supposed to.

OK. They were supposed to do the clubhouse reunion. And now they're not. Didn't work out. Yeah. Yeah. So like knowing, you know, everything that went down and the things that, you know, Zach had said to Janet, like, do you think, do you think they should have been invited to the baby moon?

No. And this is the thing too, where I want to comment because I know I've said this on the podcast and people are like, well, it's kind of hypocritical. You say that Ariana should film with Tom, but Janet shouldn't film with Kristen.

If Ariana was doing a trip to celebrate her cocktail book launch or anything to celebrate her, no! Tom shouldn't be invited. You fucking crazy? Neither should Schwartz or anyone who doesn't want to be there to celebrate her positively. So that I think is comparable. A season finale is

different. And if Janet and Kristen don't have a conversation in the season finale, I would be disappointed. And I would be like, yo, like you have these issues. It's the last day you should film it. Ariana and Tom, that's a completely different situation. But just to compare the Kristen and Janet part of it, it was not the season finale.

And it was a trip around Janet's baby. And these people were causing stress to where she was having premature contractions. So no, I don't think they should have been invited on her baby moon. Janet and Zach also have had beef for years that I know at her birthday party, you didn't really see it all,

but a lot of that got resolved. But it still doesn't go away, you know? And when Zach drinks, he also can be problematic. And Janet didn't want that around. So I stand by her decision. But if the finale comes around and she doesn't talk to Kristen, I will be having some words with her. Okay.

All right. But also, I think watching it back, and this is not me, even though people will probably say it is, you know, trying to backpedal or gain 1% of the audience back. I think I've lost who I've lost. And, you know, maybe there'll be a season 12 and people will understand more of me. But I feel like with Ariana walking away after we filmed the reunion and all of that, I do feel a little differently because I and this is where I get in trouble in this friend group is because I live in the gray and I always see both sides completely understand Lala being like, you know what? You still live in

the house with him. You still are on a show with him. Then you should film the season finale with him. I understand that. Then I also understand Ariana being like, but this isn't real and we're supposed to film our real lives. So it's like, there are two things that can be true at the same time. And seeing her stand her ground, I'm like, okay, respect.

You didn't cave and you held on to your boundary. That wasn't what was the frustrating thing. And in that moment when Lala like lost her shit, you know, and I was like, I agree with you. It was a whole season of feeling like we all kind of had to walk on eggshells. Like I know Alex Baskin has said that midseason, like the show was not in a good place it was you know x y and z needs to happen or we're gonna have a short season and the show is gonna be canceled and that's it you know go go live your lives yeah I think Lala and I felt a lot of pressure after that day when it was like well we don't want the show to get canceled you know and not just for ourselves and

our families but like there's a crew of i don't know 80 100 people who work on this show and i said this at the reunion which you didn't see but i was like i feel like we're doing our jobs also for all of these people like we want to keep this going yeah and so when someone does just like walk away like they don't care if the show ends it's not just about us yeah there's so many more people that do rely on this and that's where it just got really hard because i'm like i do understand and respect your boundaries but it just made it really difficult do you get scared though that like you're going to end up in a similar situation like between lala and ariana as you did with tom

and ariana because i feel like the end of that, it just felt like, I don't know if there's coming back with Lala. It seemed like she was kind of done. And I know that you were really close with Ariana and I'm worried, like, is it going to be a thing where it's like, you are now navigating two friends who it's like,

I want to show loyalty to you, but I also, cause there also, it seemed like you were, you were a little worried about Lala. It seemed like you didn't think that she thought that you had her back. Yeah, I didn't want her to feel alone at the reunion because we were both frustrated during the season.

And at the moment where Ariana got really upset, like right before we went to commercial break, Brock was like, you should, and I was looking, and he was like, you should go over there. And I'm like, no, I know. And right when I got up, she put her head on Katie's shoulder, and I was like, all right, well, Katie's got her. And then I just saw Lala sitting there by herself. And I'm like no I know and right when I got up she put her head on Katie's shoulder and I was like all right well Katie's got her and then I just saw Lala sitting there by herself and I'm like

it's frustrating and it is hard for me when I do love both of them so much but I was frustrated with Ariana but then I understood Ariana and I just wanted Ariana to understand me and I think that's where my frustration came from so much because I'm like you've been my friend for 12 years like you should know I'm not just like oh I miss Tom I want to be his best friend again yeah like it's not just that it's I'm trying to navigate how to still do this job with him while being loyal to you while trying to knock some sense into him but also working through my own feelings of I do miss this friendship, but I know it'll never be the same. It was a lot of things going on where for Lala and I,

there were so many more layers and it was so hard. And that night after the reunion, you didn't see it. But after Ariana and Katie were talking, Ariana came over to me. She gave me a hug. She said, I love you. And then I went into the dressing room to check on Lala I was like Ariana okay Lala okay it was like I I did feel like I was doing both and after that night we shared a car back together and Lala and I went miniature golfing with her brother and mom and Brock and we had like a good night together and I mean her and I are very close and I do think that it is going to be tough to navigate in the future because Ariana is not someone I just want out of my life for the rest of my life you know it's a friendship that I feel like is gonna need work and I think Lala understands that

I just think right now everyone kind of needs some space yeah I personally think it's probably good that you're taking a breather I know know people are like, oh, they're not filming this summer, but I'm like, I think it's probably good for you. Yeah. I mean, I think everyone wanted to see a woman season. They just wanted to see the women be like, come together and be like, we are the shit. Fuck those guys.

Like they could, again, they can be in the background being the two stooges doing whatever the fuck they're doing, but like it doesn't affect us. Like, you know, go date your 20 year old and you know live in your house together and whatever it is you want to do yeah but I think people want to see the healing I think that's why there's so much vitriol I know that you and Lala are getting a lot of vitriol but I think I again I was kind of going through after watching the finale remember how much we were all banded together I mean you fucking went to court yeah I mean I'm saying I'm just thinking about like we were all in this

together and like some people more than others and I think that we can get back there it just like it I don't know what it's going to take and I don't you know I don't know like if Ariana doesn't let's say they do have a season 12 would she even want to come back to kind of heal it with you know everyone and you know is it too broken? Like, is Lala willing? I don't know. I mean, only time will tell. Right.

Yeah. I honestly don't know where we go from here. I think we all would need to have conversations with our producers. What are you expecting? What does this look like? Because I do feel like this season was going in that girl power direction. And then somehow midseasonseason it was like okay well this isn't a group a show about two groups of friends this is a show about one group of friends

so we need to figure out how to do that yeah and that's where you know more uncomfortable conversations were had and it was tough but but when you you almost wonder like do you know did the editors have a hand in like how they wanted it to play out? Because when you see again, those unseen moments on the Peacock version and it's like, you're having the babysitters club and you're doing, there was just moments where I know that was like, it was clearly happening,

but maybe it was that mid season sort of meeting that you had where it just sort of like, I don't know. I don't know. Cause even the scene with ariana and i in the pool that was the same day that i talked to lisa where lisa was like essentially he's suicidal and if he does something you know like you have blood on your hands that's how i felt after that conversation do you feel like she was trying to guilt you into basically becoming friends with Tom again? In a way, I think she knew the heartstrings of mine she could tug on. And having her lost a brother to suicide,

having me lost someone very close to me from suicide, that is something I take extremely seriously. And in that moment, I was like, okay, I don't like what you've done to Ariana but I also don't want to see you dead so I'm gonna now have to go tell Ariana this and in that moment I was like all I was asking was can you I get it you have your boundary no contact I understand that but like I just as like my best friend can you just tell me if i'm being played by lisa by tom by anyone just can you just tell me if you think he is suicidal if you think like i just like you know him better

than anyone and now i'm being told this from lisa and i i don't know what to do so like can you help and she's like nope nope nope not doing that for you i i won't do that for you and i was like okay so then this is kind of where we stand so i just have to do it from i have to figure it out for myself and i have to do what helps me sleep at night and that was me you know working towards some conversations with him to check in on his mental health because i've always done that for her and i felt like lisa told me in that moment I needed to do that for him too yeah I mean I think at the end of the day I think you know there's a deep love between you and Ariana but I also like friendships just evolve and change and then they cut sometimes they come back on the other side in a hold look at me

and Lala yeah exactly I mean yeah Ariana and I will never be what Lala and I were you know like things are never going to be that bad like I mean Lala and I were not good well yeah I think you bonded obviously over the children thing and like all of that and so that made you

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And like looking back, like, do you think that Sandoval felt he was entitled to this redemption arc because he's this OG? He's seen this play out, you know, season after season. And he just felt like this would happen. And I get to make up and that's it. Yeah, I feel like the way we have been on this show it's like we don't usually have two really bad seasons back to back Stassi was even giving Janet some advice at a pool party this weekend and she was like Janet I know you're having a bad season but like in my experience you don't usually have back-to-back bad seasons so I feel like maybe Tom was thinking

we can't get worse than it did last season so So, you know, maybe this is my time to shine. And I know there was a lot of emphasis placed on this one-on-one conversation, but it's like he did have ample opportunity for three months while they were still living together before we picked up cameras to try and have a conversation with her, which he didn't do. You know, and then all season, it's like you think like coming up to her at Hotel Ziggy, like asking about the lawyer shit. It's just like, there wasn't ever a moment where it was like a genuine heartfelt conversation

until what I thought was going to be at the end. And then I realized like, backtrack, nevermind. She doesn't want that. But it's like, this is what I was trying to do with him all season was to get him to just wake up and realize like the affairs. One bad thing you did for a long time, for seven months. There are other things you've done.

And maybe I should have had that conversation with him sooner. But, you know, I hated him last year and I wasn't speaking to him. But I just feel like he he did have time to have that conversation with her and he didn't. And here we are. Do you feel like you are sort of backpedaling yourself now that you've seen the season play out in any way? I think I've gotten perspective. Okay. And I think because I'm genuinely staying out of the comments section, I will look at my first like 20 comments on my Instagram post because that's people I follow and it's like family and friends and all positive but I don't ever go on Reddit I've been pretty absent on

Twitter unless someone sends me a tweet that's like nice I may just click on it and retweet it and then like go away yeah but um I just think that now I do see things a little differently I understand a little more it was very frustrating when I was in it. Any final season 11 thoughts? Look, I, you know, I'm always for girl power. I'm just rooting for the girls. I hope there is a season 12. I hope there is a woman sort of kind of helping create the storytelling.

Cause that does happen. They map out the seasons before it happens. And I hope there's a woman there that's really there to guide it. create the storytelling because that does happen. They map out the seasons before it happens. Totally. And I hope there's a woman there that's really there to guide it and sort of because I think there is there's going to be apologies have to be made. There's going to have to be healing a lot of that. And I'm looking forward to that. Yeah.

I'm hoping. No, I hope so, too. I feel like this break is very needed. We're going to go live our lives. Enjoy summer. Lala's going to bake her baby. Ariana's going to go live our lives. Enjoy summer. Lala's going to bake her baby. Ariana's going to go to Fiji if that's where they're filming

next season. Back to Broadway. You know, Katie's going to be busy with the sandwich shop and the Toms are the Toms and James is so booked and busy. I know.

I want to go see him. He's at his residency in Vegas, right? That's awesome. We're going to go out there Brock's birthday weekend. Oh, amazing. He's going to be at Live Beach. That's so cool.

Yeah, so I'm really excited. Well, those are my final thoughts. I'm curious what your final thoughts are. I think, you know, when you asked if I'm like backpedaling or whatever, I feel like people are going to think that, but I do think I got some perspective. And honestly, like I've been getting hate since before this show even started so if I was only concerned about that I mean I would have quit a long time ago I think that it

does help when you're able to see other people's perspectives and I hope you know that maybe Ariana and Katie can see mine as well but you never know Tom you know I feel like it just is what it is. And who knows where that's going to go next season. Schwartz, I will say watching back, I think it was part two. I don't know, whichever part of the reunions I've got to mix up now. But when the kiss was addressed, I felt like it was all on me and not really on him. When I'm like, again, hello, didn't ask for this. Like you kissed me and it was unwanted. So I felt like he didn't really have to take much accountability for that.

And it was kind of brushed over and it was just like on me. And I'm like, what the fuck? And I feel that way about a lot of the season. I feel like the Toms got away with a lot of things and the women sort of had to just like deal with it. Yeah. I just, I guess maybe, you know,

more apologies from the Toms would have been nice. And yeah, I don't really know where we go, but I think we go and enjoy our summer and just live our lives and then see where that puts us in the fall. I'm excited to find out. Yeah. You'll still have to come and get into some

shenanigans with me even though the VPR talk will be over. There's so many other things to talk about. Oh yeah, you can't keep me away. Totally. Thank you guys so much for listening and if you haven't already, I mean, what are you doing? You need to tune in and catch my girl Kiki on Radio Andy's Reality Checked Weekly, as well as her podcast, Pop Crime.

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