Scheananigans with Scheana Shay - Welcome to Family: Erika vs Brock

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

This week, Scheana is joined by Brock and her mother Erika to discuss family dynamics. They give an update on Brock and Erika’s relationship and talk about what irks them about one another. Brock likes to push the buttons and Erika has a hard time not sharing all her opinions. They also discuss first impressions of meeting each others families, mental health, and stories from Erika’s childhood involving a run-in with the cops!   Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.     Produced by Dear Media See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. From Vanderpump Rules to motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Sheena Shea. This is Shenanigans. And now here's your host, Sheena Shea. Car perfectly spotless. And we're rolling. You guys got together, and now her car is a pigsty. I would like you to keep... Hello, everyone. If we go into Sheena's car, if we go into her car right now, and we pull out stuff... Are we really recording right now?

We're rolling. If we go into Sheena's car right now, and we go ahead and pull out stuff that's in there, I think I could probably contribute to like 10 of that stuff in there if if i'm just saying that her car and several things were never messy like they are now and i'm not gonna just blame it on her i used to have a six-pack when i was single we are podcasting from home with brock my mom. Well, this is my home. It is your home.

You're right. So I'm at home. We're not in the studio. No, we're not in the studio. Yeah. So we're all kind of recovering from being sick this past week. And my friend Tori, who I was going to podcast with this week, she was still feeling under the weather.

So that one's getting a little pushed. And we figured we would do a story time podcast which is kind of like a q a but more stories so i figured since my mom is here that's how it started off brock is here we're recording we're gonna do a little little story time a little catch-up a lot of people had sent in questions asking hey sheena how are things going with brock and your mom hey brock how's your relationship been with erica has anything you know progressed changed degressed is that a word regressed apparently the cleanliness of your car has decreased decreased degressed that's not a word actually i don't know what you're saying I don't know

But anyways We're gonna get into it So we are podcasting from Palm Springs My couch We will be back in studio Next week We're finally doing it I got a question honey

What changed to why you keep The clown messy now? Oh, we're going back to this. Because I would like to know. They, per usual, were debating. We're not going to call it arguing. We're going to say debating. And I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to push the record button, and we're going to finish this conversation for all of you guys to listen to. So. Honey. Okay. Yeah. Why is your car messy now? Because I have a child. No, no, no. Before child. Before child. Why is your car messy now? Because I have a child.

No, no, no. Before child. Before child. Why was it messy? Her car wasn't messy before she had a child. Yeah. No, I blame the baby. I blame the baby.

Yeah. I blame Brock. What do you mean you blame Brock? I just think you guys throw stuff in there and like you don't take care of your car like you used to. I remember she like you couldn't even eat a french fry in your car or take anything that was six years ago when i just bought it and i didn't want it to smell bad i wanted that new car scent as long as possible i also used to get my car detailed on a regular basis why don't you because i'm lazy okay thank you to be honest i think that's me and Sheena's biggest problem in this situation.

In life, we look at each other and we go, meh. We bring out the bad in each other on the lazy side. Yeah, but it's not the bad in each other. How do I, Erica, influence Sheena to throw her stuff in the car? I think we're in a rush a lot more. We got the baby and she is priority. As long as we have all of her stuff together, then the rest of my shit is just thrown in the back.

It's all your fault, Brock. It's Sheena too. But you guys do it together now. Whereas before she was single, when she was single, she never had messy things like that. Well, when I was single and I wanted to mingle, I never know who might pop in my car. Who she was picking up.

Why not moving forward from here? It's also a very good example. We've also been moving. Okay. Bullshit. Before you were moving, your car looked the same. Bullshit. Shit. So I'm just saying before it can become a problem, set the example for summer and keep the car clean. Pick up your, take stuff out of it.

Damn, she said set the example for summer. You do realize what that means now. I'm sorry. You know my car is always clean, so don't even go there. And how many empty or full bottles? Right now, you won't find one in my car. You're going to be thirsty on the drive home. No, I am.

I do keep water in my car always. But you don't see trash all over my car. I don't think you see trash all over my car. You see stuff. You see a mess. You see stuff. Because you never know when you might need something. Yeah, I find heels.

I found boots. Well, you know what? And you know what pisses me off, honey? Yes. is sometimes you clean out the car and then i go to get that jacket or get those boots and i'm like what the fuck i leave them in this car for a reason because you never know when you need a pair of boots you know you know well clearly i didn't know because i was just trying to get the stuff out of the car. So story time. How are we doing you two? The audience would like to know and I thought what better way than to hear both perspectives because we've gotten Brock's the last two weeks on shenanigans. Okay. And now

let's hear from the boss lady. Erica, how do you think things are going with Brock? How do you think your relationship has progressed in the past two years? Hmm. I love Brock. Yeah. I've said it over and over. I don't think there is a better partner for you. Agreed. I wouldn't want you with anybody else. Same. God's honest truth. And I think Brock is the best dad for summer. He's a great dad. Absolutely. Yeah. That didn't answer my question. What irks you the most about Brock?

Yeah, let's start there. Let's go with the irks, the icks. The irks and the icks. What's your ick? You already said what you love most about Brock. And this is good too because this is good conversation. Mm-hmm. I think Brock likes to push my buttons.

100%. He likes to push everyone's buttons. No, I know. But he especially likes to, even if he didn't necessarily agree or disagree on something, he would want to flip it just to kind of just try to get something out of me. Oh, totally. So I don't know. He'll do something like he doesn't like just because.

I know. You don't like it. Well, can I not rebuttal? Yeah, it's a rebuttal. I was on a plane with Sheena to Vegas. Okay. And it was full of USC students and fans going to the USC game, right? This is just what he does.

Yeah. Okay. I get on the seat. They were playing the Utah Utes. They're playing Utah. I was in Vegas with y'all. I know. So on that flight out there, what did I decide to do?

Go Utah. Utah. And I was like, oh my God, honey, first of all, we actually support USC. Out of all schools, like this is the one that I root for. We did that when we were sitting in the bar in Vegas. Yeah, he did. I know. I was there.

But then it was like, then didn't he start rooting for the Trojans because Utah was ahead? Yeah, he did. Yeah, then he did. He did. He switched because Utah won the game and he wanted to root for the underdog. I think it is very healthy in family's discord to have opposing perspectives in sport. Absolutely. Sure.

That's fine. But I'm saying you do that with just anything and everything just to try to get a rise out of me sometimes. I would like to, if that's how you feel, I'm sorry. Because I feel like when I do it, I just want to get perspective

on things. Because sometimes we all come from a certain perspective and that's okay. We're all entitled to have that perspective absolutely i don't expect you to necessarily root for the same team i would root for or agree with everything i do but you know i do think you do that i don't know if that's an irk or an ick but it would definitely be annoying for sure yeah Yeah, that's a Nick. And then I think, I mean, we, I think we disagree on certain things about Summer. I try to bite my tongue a lot or try to, you know, not give my opinion, which is so hard.

It's so hard for her. I could just see it seething out and she just wants to say it. And sometimes she'll just wait for Brock to walk out of the room and she'll say it under her breath. Yeah, I do. And I'm like, oh my God. But I mean, that is. Couldn't help herself.

Couldn't help herself. But Summer is your child. Yes, she is. And so when she's with me, I mean, and I respect you guys. Don't think I turn a schedule around or anything. I totally agree. I'm the one who, when you first had Summer, stressed the importance, I thought, of schedules and routines and all of that. So I respect that. agree. I'm the one who, when you first had summer stressed the importance I thought of schedules and

routines and all of that. So I respect that. And I think it's amazing how you guys are very routined with that. Do I think naps have to be to the minute? Absolutely not. Not to the minute. Pretty much. It's like one o'clock. It's like, oh my God, it's one Oh one. She hasn't gone down for her nap yet. I'm in trouble. Oh my God god she's not in her bath by 7 30 at night at 7 35 it's like there is some playroom i think and so that yeah that could kind of irk me but i still that irks me but i always try to respect that and because she's your daughter and like i said i do think her routine is great so i agree on that sense. And you know that, honey, like sometimes like, OK, we're at Disneyland, for example.

I'm like, it's OK to push her bedtime a little bit. I think there are times where it is OK to kind of go outside that exact time schedule, but not on a regular basis, because I do like her having her schedule in her bedtime. It makes planning so much easier. I think it's important to keep a schedule. Summer is very routine and very scheduled. Having a day or two. We talked about this earlier.

We have several Christmas parties coming up with the family. You're not going to be home to put her in the bath at 730 and have her in bed by 8 o'clock. I mean, well, you could be. But then you're missing out. Yeah. So we talked about that. So I think there are certain situations and times where things can change a little bit. It's okay.

She's still going to go back on that same schedule. She's not going to stay up till 9 o'clock all the time. Right. I agree. Wait. You heard it here first, people. It is recording for sure. Yes, we're recording.

I hope everyone hears our viewpoints. If it wasn't for my tardiness on that and just trying to force the point, we do have a lot of events. We do have a lot of things that, you know, she'll be okay moments where she doesn't need to be. And if it wasn't for the forcing of those moments, we wouldn't have a scheduled child. We wouldn't have a routine where she's in a routine. Because if I let that to the wayside, there'll be more chances of her not being going to bed at one o'clock.

Okay. There'll be more chance napping at one. Even before this one nap, but still there would be more chances rather than not of that schedule not being followed, which makes it very difficult for a kid to understand what is the timing because it's not about really the clock. It's about the sun. When the sun comes up, she'll get up's about the sun when the sun comes up she'll get up when the sun goes down her body naturally releases melatonin and then so you have a window of like an hour an hour and a half where she like goes cuckoo because her body's going through getting dope her dopamine receptors are getting really excited because of the melatonin and then the longer you fight that melatonin the crazier she gets and that's just science brock okay nobody's brock loves some

science he likes to throw out the words and he likes it's science he reads a lot and he does research and every thing he says is backed by some sort of fact there is no there's there's no arguing here i'm the first one to say keep a routine keep a schedule i'm saying there is some leeway here and there for certain situations but if we but but my response to that would be what is the leeway like my question would be to you guys where do we draw the line on like no we don't just go out to parks and go out and do all that if she has a bit a schedule where do we draw that line christmas gatherings yeah i guess like what i apologize i go overboard sometimes but it's because i see my daughter and i'm just

kind of like well there's so much going on like for her first one one-year-old birthday that was just like for me i was just like because it was so much and i just wanted to protect her but she was just so stimulated and people were everywhere and it was a lot yeah but I think for family gatherings that's a lot and so to take her out of them from Christmas to take her out of that and to give her some time away from it is good and then bring her back out the nighttime stuff yeah I would like to keep her nighttime but nighttime is not as much of a problem anymore because she has that nap through the day she's we've built that into it and i think she's doing good but i do think that if we let it go to the wayside that's when we lose traction but i will be less no my lunch time stays at one o'clock erica i'm not gonna budge on that one like if it's time if it's nap time 104 it's like listen it's one o'clock

put her up there because she as soon as it hits one o'clock i promise you she'll go down so you got to remember how often i have her too i know that i know when she goes down i know that kid just as well as you guys do i know and i agree natalie louise griffiths this is my girl from australia she wants to know when you first met each other's families, thoughts, stories, et cetera. First impression. So I'm going to put this out to all of us. Mom, your first impressions when you met Brock's family. Because you, I know like on social media would talk to his mom or sister a little bit.

But based on who Brock is and how you know him, what were you expecting? Were they different than what you expected just based on stories he's told of how he grew up? I think they were different than what the impression I've got from what Brock said. And I can't even explain what I was really thinking his mom and sisters were going to be. But when I met them, they were just not that he ever made them sound abnormal. I'm not even sure if the words I'm going to come out

my mouth. Right. His mom is just I thought his mom was just like me. Yeah. You know, I thought we had so many things in common. Yeah. His sisters were just great. I don't know what I was expecting. It's not that Brock gave me any wild stories, but I guess just hearing about him growing up on a farm and New Zealand and, you know, and then moving to Australia. And I don't know what, what I was expecting. It wasn't anything in particular,

but when I met them, I absolutely fell in love with the family. I know. Diane, his mom and I just got along great. And the sisters, I mean, I just felt like, you know. Yeah. I hate that they're so far away.

I know. I think we all got along just perfect. Yeah. But I can't come up with the words because I don't know what I was expecting. But it was a very pleasant surprise to hang out with them. It just felt comfortable and like they had been around forever. Totally. Instant family. All good. yeah to hang out with them it just felt comfortable and like they had been around forever totally so instant family all good well sheena what was your first impression of my family night one what do you mean in australia oh actually no that was right you met in australia yeah i met them

when we first started dating honey yeah but then you met my family and the second trip oh my gosh so when brock's family came over from australia for the first time to meet summer we have our first night together we're all down at our rip old house in san diego and some past family trauma stuff got brought up that she had never told him he had never told her she never heard this story about him and all of this stuff and i mean it was to the point where i was like nicole i love you but if you keep raising your voice and wake up my baby one more time we're gonna have an issue but i love you sis we get loud but um yeah but i was like you know what this is family and the only thing that bothered me was waking up summer i was like look yell all you want outside go to the beach finish

that argument there but i was just like you know you guys hadn't seen each other in a long time and there were a lot of things that i think none of you had talked about things in your childhood and how you know the two older brothers you have were raised very differently than the younger ones. And, you know, Alina, your sister's kind of in the middle. And then you and Nicole were raised more together. You're two years apart. And you guys just had so many different experiences with your dad, your stepdad, your mom being in New Zealand on the farm, being in Australia Australia and I think it was just a conversation that was a long time coming and it just it all came out it all came out yeah but by the end of

it you know everyone was in tears everyone was hugging and I felt like there was so much resolution and I felt like it was a long time coming you guys really needed to have that moment I think I think you nailed it honey it's welcome to family you know and we all oh my god my sister can say one word to me or one sentence and it just i'm irked from how she can get out of my skin oh i know no i will yell at brock after he gets off the phone with his sister sometimes i'm like you call her back you say you're sorry he's like no yeah but i mean it is you guys fight like brother and sister you know that's it it is it is what it is so did brock say his impression of our family yeah honey yes ma'am so well first off i i didn't know what i was doing you guys remember this actually

so big man okay so when i met ron erica my gosh and and Ron Erica and out of mad respect for Ron and Ron, he just does his thing. He works, gets up every morning, goes to work and he's a pride and joy is in his garden. And I have a full respect for him as soon as I met him. And in respect for him, I would call a big man or old man or old mate. Yeah. Old mate. Yeah. Old mate. I mean, Brock will call my 26 year man or old mate yeah old mate yeah old mate that's what i mean brock will

call my 26 year old friend old mate yeah it's just now we know but that first family trip in hawaii calling my dad old mate old man and big guy he just thought you were calling him old and fat the whole trip he was so offended his feelings were like genuinely hurt he's like man i've been like trying to like work on like losing weight and stuff and here he's just calling me fat and i was like he never called you fat he called you big and he just means like old yeah but i think it was maybe even more of the old because your dad's not fat maybe but he and he and your dad is just such a passive and like the sweetest person in the world.

And he, he did. He was, yeah. That first trip to Hawaii. Wow. Can we, that's story time. Yeah. Let's go back to the first trip to Hawaii. Yeah.

We, we, we, we hadn't known you that long. What? A few months? Only a few months. We went for Christmas right after you guys got together. And that, that was a lot. Yeah. I mean, we were.

No, that trip, it was a lot to be together for a full week not really knowing somebody. Especially in this family, being together for the first time. Because you guys are very, your family is very, very close. Like, yeah, BFFs, like best friends. Yeah. And you chat to each other. And I'd never brought just like and not that you were random, but just like a guy I barely knew for a few months on a family vacation. Not only that, it was OK.

So it was your dad and myself and my other daughter, Sheena's sister and her boyfriend, Justice, who they've been together like five and a half years. So Justice is like, she's family, obviously. But they're a couple of years in. So, yeah, he's already. Yeah, they were several years in. And so Brock was very new and not trying to bring up Sheena's past relationships, but she did have a few in the past.

But I have to say, though, I no like one coming on the podcast next week no but several people including her ex-husband who some of you may remember i mean just very passive very quiet you know more introverted whereas brock comes in and he's just a total extrovert. And he, I don't even know. I felt like it was a lot for me. I'm not used to having somebody like challenge me. And he's just wearing a Speedo this entire trip, by the way. And that was fine. You know, I mean, not that my husband wears Speedos, but my father-in-law.

And, you know, they're all from Europe. They're from Holland. And, you know, so that wasn't, I don't care that he's in a Speedo. No, I just remember you're like, here's this like big guy in a Speedo on our family vacation. And like. No, I know. I get in trouble for when I leave the house. I don't get in trouble.

I just get opinions towards what I wear when I leave the house. And to be honest, even today when I left for golf, i had a blue pair of golf shoes on black shorts i didn't see i didn't even notice a hawaiian shirt used in it but i looked in the mirror at the bathroom on like hold nine i was like oh wow no but as he walked away i was gonna say i can marry in your shirt i have a thing with oh my god she can't bite her tongue i know't bite her tongue I didn't say it I bought it but I didn't say it But no and this goes not just to Brock It goes to both of my daughters

I don't like things wrinkled And I will stop whatever I'm doing And iron I don't like to steam Well if you don't like it then do something about it I'm not going to I'll wear it wrinkled Brock doesn't care That is the problem right there.

What? Because your mom is very hands-on. Very. And she's very good at being a mother. Well, thank you, but. Very good at it. And I feel like your daughter, Sheena, and your other daughter, who I love, take advantage of you. What?

Oh, I don't think so. No. I don't think so. I think they do. I think they both could rub their own lotion on their bodies. Oh, my you. What? Oh, I don't think so. No. I think they do. I think they both could rub their own lotion on their bodies. Oh, my God. Okay? I think they both could make their own lunches.

Look, sometimes I have a thing where, and I'm better with it now. I have a child I have to rub lotion on daily. But when I was younger, I have a thing about skin like rubbing next to each other like oh it does my head in it does my head in i hate it and so i just i would have my mom put my lotion on my legs whatever because you don't like the sound of the skin touching each other when i get my makeup done the makeup artist will do the lotion or the airbrush or the whatever on my life that's different because you're either paying for that service or you're not doing a job your mother is your mother and i think you guys take advantage of how lovely your mother is thank you i don't feel

like i'm taking advantage of i thank you you guys yeah i think you guys do so much for me i don't feel that way this is true and i mean, I wasn't that mom or before I was a mom, like that person, like thinking, you know, Oh, I'm going to want these big career when I'm older. And I want, you know, I always thought, well, I'm going to be a mom. I mean, I did have a career for years, but I mean, I didn't really care about it. You know, I knew my job was to be a mom and that's what I wanted to be. And now I'm a nana and that's my world. So I will do everything. But I do think, I don't think, I know that I raised two very independent women.

Totally. You know, who take care of themselves. Courtney, my gosh, she's got like five different salaries. She has several jobs. Yeah, she's crushing it. So independent as are you so i think in one way brock thinks that i do everything for you guys but in a sense you guys do everything for yourselves and have been able to take care of yourselves forever

you don't don't need a man to take care of you yeah no she needs a mom i do i will always need and that's good and And that's good. And yes, I will be there to do anything. I don't care that you're 37 and Courtney's 25. I will still do whatever I can. Yeah. Yeah. Well, on that note, we're going to take a quick little break.

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to get 60% off your first box. Hey, everyone. it's Kelsey Kreppel, full-time YouTuber, part-time preschool teacher, and now the host of the podcast Circle Time. Join me every week as me and my guests mix the childlike wonder and conversational openness and acceptance of preschool that we're all nostalgic for with the realism, honesty, and wisdom baked into adulthood. With Classroom Structured Roots,

we'll rehash standout moments of day-to-day life, dive into buzzy pop culture moments, and really just get to know each other on a deeper level. Make sure to follow me on Instagram at Kelsey Kreppel and follow the show wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Back to story time. So, Mom, I was thinking, what are some stories you could tell my listeners about me as a child? What do you remember the most about me? Like behavioral wise. Because I feel like I remember I was a damn good kid and I think I deserve this damn good kid that I have. I'm like, you're never going to talk back to me, right? You're just going to love me forever and want to cuddle me forever. Right. Cause that's what I

deserve. Cause that's the kind of kid I was. Isn't that how it works? No. Yes. Honestly, you were a very, very good kid. I mean, always mean always yeah I never had any problems you never obviously you were very smart in school I don't know if you've told your listeners how you skipped third grade I feel like I've talked about that over the last 15 years but people like never remember that yeah people always think I'm smart and I had the school come to me, her teacher in particular, and then we had to do a full roundtable with the superintendent and the school counselor, psychologist, different teachers, and we all had to sit down.

It was like a group of 10 of us. And they just said that they hadn't done anything like this in so long, but they really wanted to skip a grade skip a grade for you and was that because she was just like because she was so advanced i was bored in school i was like ahead in everything i was like okay i get it this is boring like next like i needed more of a challenge and third grade was not challenging for me so they didn't want her to be bored so she was going to be going from second grade and skip to fourth grade. But with that, those, there was just several different things and they needed to like, get me to

understand, okay, she's not just skipping a grade. She's going because the school, there's like the lower grades as they call it in the upper grades and her going to fourth grade from second was going from a lower grade to an upper grade and skipping a whole year of school. So there was that. They wanted me to think about going down the road. They're going to be like, well, you know, she's going to be younger in high school and she's going to, you know, not get her driver's license when her other friends are going to be getting her license or when her other friends are dating. So they're thinking so far down the road.

When fast forward, I had a boyfriend boyfriend first i got my license before half my friend so funny right but these were things that i wasn't even thinking about i'm just thinking about the here and now and they're like well we just want you to really understand that how this can affect her you know she's going to be going to high school at 13 and all of these things um i talked with my family about it and I talked to one person in particular, Tori, my cousin who had been a teacher in a Catholic school for years. And I had asked her opinion and we agreed to let you skip. And it was like you went into fourth grade and you just nailed it. And you were always a straight A student and never, fortunately, I never had any behavioral issues.

There was only the one time in your entire life I can think of where you, like, had an outburst tantrum. I remember. I, like, threw myself in the bathtub. You threw yourself on the floor. Yeah. And I don't even remember what caused it. It was right after you had a miscarriage.

Yeah, I had just lost a baby. And I think I was somehow dealing with that in my own way. I think so too. It was weird. You had one memorable tantrum? Yeah, that's the only time I could remember Sheena having a fit too. Yeah, I never snuck out. I listened.

I was a good kid. You really were. And it was never, because I feel like Brock doesn't believe me when I say this I feel like he thinks like you pressured me like you have to get straight A's you have to be a good student like you have to be perfect no but I feel like you've thought that where I'm like no I got good grades because I wanted to get good grades I was a perfection yeah but it was never pressure from my mom it was never like of course as parents you want your kid to do well but i never felt that pressure like oh my god i gotta be on my test my mom's gonna be mad at me like she's

gonna have to sign my report card and she's gonna be upset it was just i wanted to always be the best that i could be you explained that to me a while ago actually when we were talking about like school like education and all that and i was like but yeah you said that to me a while ago, actually, when we were talking about like school, like education and all that. And I was like, but yeah, you said that to me then. But even my answer then, I never thought, I don't have the impression your mom rules with the iron fist. You know, I definitely don't have that impression. And with that being said, though, I mean, I did expect you to do well because I knew you were capable of it. Just like I could hear my parents speaking and the teachers talking to my parents like, oh, Erica is so capable of it just like I could I could hear my parents speaking and like they and the teachers talking my parents like oh Erica is so capable of it and you know but she talks too much you know shocker

I talk too much what you know what yeah what was school like yeah let's do a story time about you in high school mom talking about you Sheena yeah we're done with that we're done with that now we're moving on to this one why are we doing. Why are we doing that? Story time. Story time. How many years of high school did you go to? I graduated from high school. I know you graduated. That wasn't the question. How many years did you attend? Two and a half.

And you still graduated on time? With my class. Yes, I did. Hell yeah. Because I was smart. I know. But I wouldn't recommend that. No.

But tell us the story. Why did you only attend two and a half years of high school? Well, because I just thought I knew it all. And I just was a brat. And I don't know. Your poor parents. You think about that now. Well, first of all, it's my parents had seven children.

I was number five. Back when your mom went to school. There's a lot of stuff going on. They have outside pressures like probably going to work and employment. There's a lot of other things, especially back then when your mom went to school, that we don't deal with. Because your mom has tried and your dad has tried to better our lives. And they have done so. Yeah.

And so each generation had to deal with something. And my parents had a lot of different things. Like I said, I was number five out of seven and there was just a lot of stuff going on. And I was I was a brat. I really, really was. Did you ever feel like you weren't getting enough attention and so you would act out? I don't think so. I never thought that because I was my problem. You were number five, too. You guys have more in common than you'd like to think. Yeah, that's probably why we're so opinionated.

Brock's the baby, though. There's a difference. That's true. You could say he's number five, but he's the baby in the family. That's true. What does that mean? I wasn't the baby. Yeah.

You would ask my brothers and sisters, and they'll say, you got away with everything, which I would object. I would rebuttal and be like, no, I didn't. Because when my brothers would be like, oh, we're sick Because when my brothers would be like, oh, we're sick, and my sister would be like, oh, we're sick, my mom would be like, oh, my God, my kids are sick. By the fifth kid, she's like, I don't care if you're sick. You're going to school.

I've heard all of this before, okay? And whatever it is, it's not happening. I want the house to myself. I just work the double shift. You're not staying home. Go to school. You know what I mean? So my brothers, she's always like, being the youngest youngest you always get smooched on it's always about perspective

right it's always about yeah but yeah perspective yeah but no i never felt like i didn't have enough attention i mean like brock said our family's very close i was super close with both my parents as you know you know i got along well with my brothers and sisters I had three older brothers and older sister but my sister and I were five and a half years apart so yeah there was there was the four older kids even the same parents same household but there were the four oldest and then there was a five and a half year gap and then there was us younger ones so so we were almost raised different the older kids would say that the younger ones were spoiled and you know, all of that. Um, but I mean, my dad was in the military when the older ones. So, I mean, I think they were maybe raised a little stricter, but why was I a brat? I, I don't know. I just was, I, you know, I wasn't, I don't want to say I wasn't a nice kid because

I was a nice kid, but I was just, I was just bratty. So I decided I just didn't want to say I wasn't a nice kid because I was a nice kid, but I was just, I was just bratty. So I decided I just didn't want to go to school anymore. Did your parents know that you completely like dropped out? Oh, of course. Well, I didn't know if they didn't know for a week. I had a job at McDonald's.

So, you know, that was, I left, I was working. Right. Yeah. And I,

I, I took the morning shift. So of course they knew I went to work at 4 a.m. I was working. Right. Yeah. And I took the morning shift. So, of course, they knew I went to work at 4 a.m. I was the opener. So I went in and I put the shake machines together and did all of that. Oh, my gosh. I worked the drive-thru for a few hours. And then the kids at lunch from the high school, which was like Kitty Corner, as you know.

Well, I don't know. You know where the McDonald's was. I used to work there at kind of Kitty Corner from the high school. It's not a McDonald's anymore. Yeah. But anyways, you know, they would come in and I would think like, gosh, do I miss that? Or I don't. I was kind of indifferent.

Did you ever go to prom? I did go to prom. I went to dances. I did that stuff. You just didn't go to school. So was it your junior and half of your senior year you missed? It was my, it was half of my sophomore year and my entire junior year. Okay. And, and the ironic thing is, is that I never once took finals at the end of each year

because my freshman year, my brother, as you know, obviously uncle Nick was killed in a car accident and I was a freshman. It was the end of the school year. And I was excused from taking finals because my brother just died in an accident. My sophomore year, I wasn't there because I left halfway through. My junior year, I just didn't go. And my senior year, I broke my neck in a car accident. So I missed the last couple weeks of high school. And I managed to check myself out. I had just turned 18.

I checked myself out of the hospital. They were not going to release me. And I said, I have worked so hard to graduate with my class after having missed a year and a half of high school that I'm going to walk across that stage. So neck brace and all neck, neck, full, full neck brace and back brace all the way down my back. Like Regina George and Mean Girls at the end? Wait. I don't know if I've told this story, but I did the same thing. I'm sorry, what? I just didn't break my neck. But my last day of high school at Ipswich Grammar,

the rulers do not drive to school, and my best friend, we were out the night before because it was our last day at school. So the night before we had like an event where like congratulations, a big dinner. And everyone went to my buddy's house and we all partied there. And then I stayed the night there. The next morning, his mom wasn't feeling up to driving us to school. And so we've been up all night.

So my buddy was like, I'll drive. I was in the passenger seat. He was on the right hand side. His two brothers were in the backseat and their friend. And we were driving to school and he fell asleep going over the hill and we ran straight into the back of a parked bus wow and he ended we all we all ended up in hospital had hospital things on i was fine my buddy really got beat up with scars up his head and then his little brother had severe whiplash and every it was a whole thing because everyone heard about it they're all at school going talking about it and i and yeah my last

day of school high school i ended up my buddy was in one of my friends was in the hospital getting stitches in his head and i ended up taking off my my hospital band thing and then going to school and then just like crying with the boys because like that was so hard like the just going for that traumatic experience real quick and then to have the feeling of like you're graduating it was just such a weird yeah emotional thing to have with your boys and you're there together i went to an all boys school that's crazy on our last days of school i ended up in the hospital yeah well no because actually i had been in the hospital for almost two weeks so i had this had happened a couple of weeks before. Yeah.

Oh, no. Another another similarity. No, absolutely. But they weren't ready to release me from the hospital yet. And I was like, I got to go in there. And I'm like, I need to go. My parents were so upset. I mean, I think about the things I was just like I said, that's just another thing that was stupid.

I was risking my health to just try to make a point. I felt so ill that night. I literally walked across the stage to get my diploma. I nearly passed out. I had been laying in a bed for a good while. You know, I it was bad. I probably should not have done that. But I did stupid things like that.

You know, I took my car when I wasn't supposed to take my car. And oh, she told me that story recently. Yeah, I thought you thought I told you about that before. But tell the listeners. I didn't have a driver's license. And I told my parents I was going to take my car. And my mom says, you're not taking the car, Erica. You don't have a license yet. And I can't even believe i did it but i said watch me i took my car and um i got pulled over because i kind of went through a light oh my gosh and i don't want to tell everything so i'm gonna sound really bad no tell it all say it all it was in the 80s let's tell me your shenanigans and i had smoked a joint and trust me I have not done that in 40 years

it has not been 40 years how old are you? 37 so I haven't smoked weed in probably 38 years you know it's gotten better now yeah I'm sure it has I don't want it I barely take an Advil these days but like I said

it was the 80s. So you're high, you're underage, and you're driving without a license, and you decide to run a red light. I didn't mean to run the red light. I think it was probably yellow. Long story short, I get pulled over. I'm in the car for a long time as this cop is behind me with his light on. I'm like, what is he doing?

I swear I sat there for probably 15 seconds. With his light on, he's chasing you. No, I mean, we're already pulled over. No, he has like the spotlight on He's chasing you No I mean We're already pulled over No he has like The spotlight on So I can't see What they're doing Because it's so bright

And I probably sat there For a good 20 minutes And next thing I know My parents Walked up And they had to come And get me Oh my gosh

Poor Puna and Papa I know What a brat And then I got home And I was in a little bit Of trouble But I took the car again.

Again? And I went to the Covina drive-in and went to the movies that night. Wow. I know. Whose car was it? It was my car. Why did you have a car if you didn't have a license? Uncle Chris bought it for me.

Wow. Good old Uncle Chris. Big bro. Yeah. I just didn't get my license yet. Because, see, back in the the day we used to take our driver's ed and training in high school so i did have the class but i never finished that year so i never got so unless i was in high school like my junior year or whatever but i wasn't so i didn't

finish it through that um so i waited until i turned 18 and then I just went to the DMV and got my license. But back in the day, you did it through high school. Speaking of back in the day, what is the craziest shenanigans you ever got into back in the day? Back in the day? Yeah. I don't want your listeners. I don't want them to think like I was bad. No, they're going to think, oh my God, Erica was cool.

She wasn't always this uptight. Thanks. I don't know. We got into a lot of shit. I know. But give us one. I don't know. I can't think of any.

I mean, come on. I attended a lot of concerts. I know. It was the 80s. We did party a lot. Mm-hmm. Did you ever take a Quaalude? Not a Quaalude, no. What you ever take a Quaalude? Not a Quaalude, no.

What's equivalent to a Quaalude now? Is that like ecstasy? I wonder. Maybe. I mean, they were definitely around. No, but that's one thing I could say. I never took a Quaalude. A couple other things here and there.

Yeah, like what? Oh my gosh. I don't want your listeners to think this like i said no i've never done anything after after i had sheena there was one time oh my god one time uh yes there was one time after i stopped nursing you one time i did something and what happened that one time i thought i was gonna die and i made a promise to god i would never do a drug in my life again and to this day i haven't and people don't believe me but somebody could offer me 10 million dollars right now to do drugs and i would not do 10 million i will stuff the drugs down you

no because because i made that promise to god that day that i think god would understand we needed the 10 mil. No. God will forgive you, Mom. God's like, Erica. The pearly gates will still be open for you. God will be like, Erica, I get it. Jesus would have said it was okay. God knows for how many years Sheena has tried to get me to smoke weed. Yes.

Your doctor has tried to get you to smoke weed. Your doctor. What does your doctor suggest? No, just with anxiety. He said, Erica, smoke a joint. He says, yeah, he did say maybe I should smoke a joint once in a while. But I won't.

What happens if we did like a safe kind of experience where Her blood pressure will be through the roof. She'll have so much anxiety she wouldn't even be able to enjoy it. Like she won't even try CBD cream. If we were to smoke, what would be the biggest stress that you would feel?

Just the sense of what could happen? No, I think honestly what I think it is is I think that she's afraid she will like it too much and then be like, oh, well now I need to smoke this weed

to feel this good or not to have this certain pain. And she doesn't want to rely on any kind of medication or anything. There's no secret in our family. No, well, no. But I'm saying, you know, I do have arthritis in my hands, and I also have the issue with my one finger, the trigger finger. And, you know, with my neck from way back,

we already talked about that a little bit ago. And, I mean, I do. And I'm getting older. I mean, I have a lot of aches and pains and this and that, and I have never taken a pain pill and I won't. And I have told you though, that I would be afraid like your dad, sometimes he'll say like, gosh, your arthritis is that bad or whatnot. Just take a Vicodin or take something. i said i won't because yes i am afraid that it would work and then i would know what it is to be pain-free and then i would be afraid that i would want to take another one and so i know we already in this country have such a slippery slope for sure with an opioid addiction problem and i would be afraid yeah honestly i think the biggest one on that

conversation is there was a such a big push for prescription medicine in america and there still is you know and i think that that is a real worry to think about okay what happens if i get hooked on this or this or what's the actual word if you get addicted not addicted but you kind of become like dependent dependent on that and i could see that but marijuana is killing the pharmaceutical companies because it is yeah but my mom still doesn't want to be high every day to feel better no and i'm not gonna get high and watch our daughter get high and drive a car. Never. I don't think people should be getting high and watching their kids or driving automobiles.

I know. I'm just saying. But in her life right now, what's required is helping with the baby and driving to and from. I drive almost 100 miles a day when I go back and forth to you guys. Yeah. And I take care of Summer. And I wouldn't feel comfortable. I took care of my brother for years, so I would never put myself in that position. And I know I joke a lot like, oh, you know, it was the eighties and yeah, when I was younger and in

the eighties, we did party a lot and stuff like that. I did then have you at a young age at 19. And I made a choice not to ever do anything. I don't think I had an addictive personality. I've never been a drinker. I drink a couple beers here and there. Schwartz will get me to do a bottle call shot. Where's Schwartz? We need some Schwartz. But I'm not really a drinker.

I'm not a drinker, period. Like I said once in a while. No, the last time I saw you drunk was with Schwartz. That's funny. Oh, God, the rumors are going to start. Oh, my oh my god I mean it was at your house but but anyways you know so I it wasn't like I was ever addicted to anything but as far as pain medication I've seen several people become addicted to those and or Xanax that's why another thing I've never wanted to take is Xanax for anxiety because I would be afraid that it might work.

And it does work. I took it for a while. It might work. No, I know. No, it did. I don't want to become dependent or know the feeling like, oh, I could take that pill and I'm not going to be anxious anymore. I've learned other coping mechanisms that work for me.

I would rather deal with the pain in my hands and back and neck than take a pill and know it goes away. I don't want to feel that. So I won't ever do that. And not just pain, but also this is one thing I know you and I discussed recently, and I've been talking about it a lot on the podcast. And I think we'll just maybe wrap it up here. But what are some things that you do? Because I know you've dealt with OCD your whole life. And although you and I have not yet been properly diagnosed by a psychiatrist, I think we know enough that at least I do now that the postpartum OCD is no joke.

And I feel like you said after you had me, that was when you really started noticing it more too. And that no one, I mean, even today, I don't think enough people know what postpartum OCD is. It's often misdiagnosed as postpartum depression. And I know when I was talking to you recently about this, I said, you know, I want to try these different types of therapy before I see a psychiatrist and get on medication. I don't want to be on medication. I want to try exposure response therapy and cognitive whatever. There's like a couple different kinds that they do. But what are some things that you do yourself to try and help you with your anxiety or OCD that doesn't require medication? Well, I pray every day.

Yes. I know some people don't, you know, I don't think Brock's nothing putting you down. I already see it in his face. But I pray. Some people will think, oh, well, just praying. But I mean, that can help me. You know, I've learned more that can help me you know I've learned more about the breathing

you know or just getting into my own head I have to sit there and it's like I know it's going to be okay Erica you know just take some deep breaths and try to focus on something else focus on the good I in my life try to focus on the good and everything and take it

I know it's so annoying sometimes. No. In any situation, I'm going to look at it. Just let me be upset. No. And no, I'm not saying don't be upset on things. I know. And I'm not anti people taking medication or therapy or anything.

I'm for all of that. I do what works for you. But what works for me is focus and put my mind somewhere somewhere else sometimes and i don't know it it depends on the situation have you not tried therapy before no have i ever no i haven't gone to therapy i know sheena you know is trying to get me to i think i've learned to become my own therapist and work through stuff oh my god i think i'm sorry oh my god mom everyone could use some therapy you have had a lot against there a lot of trauma in your life a lot of loss like yeah so much more than the average person i feel like and that is something that sometimes you gotta talk to

someone about not just yourself look I feel like this conversation has resonated with me just talking about how you feel about my timekeeping schedule of summer right going back to the beginning of the podcast to talk it out is a lot better than for us just to like go about our day because now I do I'm you're right we're at a point now where i don't need to be so hard on and i don't want you to feel like oh my god if brock walks in the door and sees that she's up and have that anxious feeling about it yeah i feel bad that you have that we do we're like oh shit brock's on hole 18 we got to get this kid down now that conversation happened today wait that did happen on the phone.

Your mom was like, wait, you guys are going to be done soon? I was like, yeah, we're done in like 40 minutes. Like, oh, kid's going to be. No, she was already putting her down for a minute. Exactly. But to talk about things like that. Absolutely. And Sheena, I'm not anti-therapy.

I just, I've never done it. I'm not saying I never would necessarily. Are you open to it? I don't think I need it. There's great places like Talkspace. Let me tell you about my experience with trying therapy out. I don't know if that was my therapy, but I was just talking about stuff. And it was really frustrating because, like you, I feel like I have my own coping mechanisms and I think they're great.

And then when I speak to my therapist, they're just listening to me say it. And it took a while. And it wasn't until like the fourth or fifth session when I got somewhere. And then my billing cycle got messed up. And I was like, I'm not doing this again. But Sheena, and I think it's literally just trying to have those open conversations and figuring it out from there. But I don't think therapy is for everybody. But I think everyone should try it. It's not like like a drug you don't get addicted to that therapy you kind of you know yeah it may not be for everyone and when i was in therapy before i felt like i

needed it and i wanted it for where i was at in my life just going through a heartbreak, following a divorce and moving to Vegas. And I was just that in between time in my life, I felt like I really need to go to therapy. And then I moved to Vegas. I was living my best life. I was headlining a show on the strip. And I was like, when I moved back to LA, I'm like, I don't need therapy. Like this isn't for me. And up until the last, what, six months, you know, just being a new mom and dealing with these intrusive thoughts and feelings that I knew wasn't postpartum depression. I didn't know what it was. And I mean, I think therapy is really helping me and I love it, but I think it's finding the right person. It has to be the right time in your life. You have to be open to it accepting of

it and i just personally would love for both of you to continue brock and to maybe start or try a little therapy because you never know it might bring up something that can help you cope with things not completely on your own so just maybe be that's a good one you're not just so you're not coping with things on your own yeah because once you get it once you say it once you speak these things you feel so much relief i had never told a single person not even my mom i tell my mom everything and i don't think i ever mentioned to you that i mean there was the dream i know i told everyone about it. I talked about it on the podcast where Summer's head fell off.

But the amount of those type of things that I see in my head on a regular basis, I didn't want to tell you. I didn't want to tell Brock because, yeah, I didn't want anyone to think like, what the fuck is wrong with this girl? Or like feel bad. I just, I kept it in. But as soon as you told me, I said, Sheena, I feel like me too. Yeah.

So, I mean, I think when people talk about it together, sometimes it makes you feel better. Yeah. And that can be therapeutic as well. But it took my amazing therapist to get that out of me for me to feel OK talking about it on a public platform. And now so many people have opened up to me saying oh my god me too and now they feel comfortable like okay i'm not crazy yeah but yeah no i've been there done that and i'm sorry because probably a lot of it is hereditary and i know you said you want to like it break the generational cycle i know you said that but sometimes when

things are in the genes it just it yeah but but know how to, you know how to handle it or to talk about it. And, you know, and if God forbid summer, if you start noticing, you know, OCD tendencies with her, there's things we can worry about with the routines and things like that. Wait, OCD is hereditary? I think all mental health and mental illnesses and things like that can come genetic, but also be environmental. It just depends. Yeah. Situational.

Totally. Yeah. But there are things that Summer does that now I'm so in my head about, like, she wants to turn the light switch on, off, on, off. Sorry. She's a kid. She's a kid. Okay. I was going to say, and then that's my fault.

Not that I go around turning light switches on and off. But no, but that's something like when she gets out of the bath at my house, she turns the light switch off. So then once she did that one, then she has to start at the one part of my hallway. Right, but how do we know the difference between OCD and routines? And what's a kid and what's, you know, a compulsion? Right. Well, I think it's just taking a breath on that

and not putting too much emphasis on a repeat action and just being aware of if your kid exactly is happy yeah if they're not you know how are they interacting with that light switch yeah and i think there is a difference between ocd and like you're saying a routine or just something and yes she is very routined and i don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like down the road if we see an issue, then that could be it. I love that I come home and you guys freak out and you gotta put someone down.

I'm like checking his location. I'm like, refresh, refresh. Just put it down by one o'clock, guys. It's very simple. See, guys, this is good. This is therapeutic, right? Sit down on the mic. We listen to each other. Shenanigans of therapy.

We talk it out. We get into some shenanigans. And I hope you guys all enjoyed listening to this. We should maybe do a family pod around Christmas time. Janet Elizabeth is going to be here. She's spending Christmas with us. Maybe we get her back on the mic, dad back on the mic. And we do a little round robin. Just bring them all

in. Absolutely. I think that would be fun. Didn't you do that the first Christmas here? It was Friendsgiving. Oh, it was Friendsgiving. Yeah, and then we did one with dad on Father's Day, and we got everyone chanting R-V-O. We're in your room doing that. Yeah. Alright, well thank you guys

so much for listening. As I briefly mentioned, we will be back next week with my ex-boyfriend, Rob. This is a podcast I've had prepped for a long time. Been wanting to do it. We'll see how it goes. Hope you guys enjoy. Is it going to be seven minutes or how long is that podcast? Bye.

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