SciShow Tangents - SciShow Tangents Classics - Timekeeping

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

SciShow Tangents is off again this week, but since it's a new year and all, we thought this was the perfect opportunity to rerun our episode all about ways humans have devised to measure time! See you... for a new episode next week!Head to https://www.patreon.com/SciShowTangents to find out how you can help support SciShow Tangents, and see all the cool perks you’ll get in return, like bonus episodes and a monthly newsletter!And go to https://store.dftba.com/collections/scishow-tangents to buy your very own, genuine SciShow Tangents sticker!A big thank you to Patreon subscriber Garth Riley for helping to make the show possible!Follow us on Twitter @SciShowTangents, where we’ll tweet out topics for upcoming episodes and you can ask the science couch questions! While you're at it, check out the Tangents crew on Twitter: Ceri: @ceriley Sam: @im_sam_schultz Hank: @hankgreen

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Tangents team is working around the clock to bring you a whole new year of everyone's favorite lightly competitive knowledge showcase. But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode all about timekeeping. We'll be back next week with a new episode, so we'll see you then. Bye! Hello and welcome to SciShow Tangents, the lightly competitive knowledge showcase starring some of the geniuses that make the YouTube series SciShow happen. This week, joining me as always are Stefan Chin. Hello. Are you working on cool things? No. I'm so glad I can provide you with that fulfillment. What's your tagline
Starting point is 00:00:50 today? It's all an illusion. Also, we're being joined by Sam Schultz. Hello. Sam, how are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. I'm feeling energized today. Oh, nice. Usually not how I feel.
Starting point is 00:01:05 That's great. What's your tagline? Deep thinker. Sam Schultz, deep thinker. Sari Riley is also here with us today. Hello. How you doing? Sorry I can't turn toward you.
Starting point is 00:01:13 My neck hurts. That's okay. It's been a weird day, so I'm going to compartmentalize and let the science wash over me. That sounds great. Is that your tagline? Oh, yeah, sure. Compartmentalizing and letting the science wash over me. Sorry, Riley. And I'm Hank Green.
Starting point is 00:01:31 It's a pleasure to be here today. My tagline is floofadoofa. Every week here on SciShow Tangents, we get together, try to one-up and amaze and delight each other with science facts. We're playing for glory, but we're also keeping score and awarding Hank bucks from week to week. And we do everything we can to stay on topic. But the podcast is called Tangents, so sometimes we're bad at that. And if the rest of the team deems the tangent unworthy, we will force that person to give up one of their Hank Bucks. So tangent with care.
Starting point is 00:01:57 And now, as always, we're going to introduce this week's topic with the traditional science poem. From sticks in the ground to the watches we wound to centralized standardized atomic clocks, we time infinitesimal down to the tenth decimal and we know when to check the mailbox. Our rate, I reckon, is one second per second. Even knowing this changes the paradigm. While our telomeres unravel, each of us will travel through space, but also through time. I love the idea that we're traveling through time at one second per second. We're all time travelers. We're all time travelers.
Starting point is 00:02:37 We're headed into the future. What's a telomere? It's the thing at the end of your chromosomes. They get shorter and shorter as you get older it's one of the processes through which we age oh so we're getting older and older on this the arrow of time and we we must travel at one second per second we can travel no faster than that or no shorter than that though there are weird relativistic things that maybe now that i've said that people will yell at me about all pedants. I don't know how to say that word.
Starting point is 00:03:07 The pedants. The pedants will come out of the woodwork and yell at you about plane travel and mountains. They're going to come at you about the pronunciation of pedant as well. Yeah, also that. Hey, what's time? Our subject today is time and timekeeping, and now i guess sari has to tell us what time is yeah i was trying to think about this and i looked it up and then uh i made up my own definition because it's a construct and because i'm a human i can do that i guess um and so that to the
Starting point is 00:03:40 dance suck it the dance so the way i want to define it is timekeeping is a way in which we observe the natural world and divide it into chunks to let us predict stuff, plan ahead, or communicate with each other about when things are going to happen or things like that. I'm sure there's more things outside of that umbrella, but... Time is so weird. It's so upsetting. Like it's it seems like upon first blush, you're just like, oh, that's yeah, sure. That's a thing. I've experienced that my whole life. No big deal. Time, of course. But then you're like, wait, why? Why, though? Why are we in this weird boat that goes and it's always going? Is there like an infinite nature like it will go on forever? And also, does it go infinitely backward? And physicists say no, that it had a start.
Starting point is 00:04:27 There was a time before time, but that doesn't make sense. The sentence I said doesn't make sense. It's a bad sentence. Yeah. I get very upset by time. But it is very helpful to keep track of it so that we know when we need to get to the studio to record tangents. And in general, I do not think about that in an existential upsetting way. I think time makes us think a lot, like really hard about ourselves and our world because
Starting point is 00:04:51 it is just a product of our brains. Right. So it's like, I'm going to stress about time. Wait, time is just a product of our brains? Is it? Is it though? Because there's all this stuff about like increasing entropy, which seems like very outside of our brains.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Well, I also think that time seems to be a thing that exists regardless of humans. There seems to be an arrow to the universe. It's doing a thing with or without us. Yes, time exists with or without us. That's fair. But our perception of time, the things that time can psychologically do to us. And also physiologically, they just keep going down and then eventually you fall apart. All your proteins get too short and you just fall into a pile of worm food.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Yeah, decomposition happens. But the way you describe that makes me think that everyone just poofs one day into a pile. I mean, in terms of geologic time, that's what happens. Like you sort of hold together for a blink and then suddenly poof. It's like a more squelchy noise than that, I think. Sam, can you make the noise of the instantaneous dissolution of a human into a pile of goo? It's a two-part sound. So I guess we know now a little bit about timekeeping,
Starting point is 00:06:06 and it is definitely a construction of humans. I Googled real hard to find other animals that whole time, and according to Google, they don't exist. I thought a bee maybe. Bees would. But bees don't. Hey, other bees. Let's do something. At like 4.30. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Mother bees, let's do something at like 4.30. Animals with jobs seem like they would have like a little watch in their head. They do respond to stimuli like the sun and moon and stars traveling. So like they can navigate based on celestial bodies. But I think that's different than time. Time keeping. Yeah, than time keeping. Yeah. So navigating based on celestial bodies is different than planning out your day based on their movement.
Starting point is 00:06:48 I don't know if I agree with that, I guess. Like the things that we do in our day, like we make ourselves think about time, but also like our bodies experience it as quickly as they do. And like the sun happens and we have to do things and like everything's paced out to our life naturally. And we have physiological timekeeping that happens inside of our bodies. It's like a thing that is just happening. Like we get tired and we have circadian rhythms and all of that, which other animals also have. But timekeeping as a technology is certainly unique to humans. Yes. I agree. We fought through it, everybody.
Starting point is 00:07:25 And now it's time for Truth or Fail. One of our panelists has prepared three science facts for our education and enjoyment. But only one of those facts is real. The other panelists have to figure out, either by deduction or wild guess, which one is the true fact. If they do, they get a Hank Buck. If they're tricked, our fact presenter gets a Hank Buck. And this week, our fact presenter is Sam Schultz. Here we go. Like we were saying, a lot of life on Earth has like its own internal way of keeping time. And that's the circadian rhythm. It's like
Starting point is 00:07:55 the sun dictated sleeping and waking cycle that we all experience. But since we figured out the circadian rhythm thing, there's always been the question, what if there was no external way to tell time? What if we couldn't see the sun? Would that just like screw us up completely? So in the late 1950s through the 1980s, a pair of German scientists put 300-ish people in little fully furnished bunkers and told them to just live their lives, their normal lives, devoid of knowing what time it was. What do you think their results? 300 people? Uh-huh. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:29 They had a lot of booths, it seems like. Like a lot of little apartments built in a big bunker. With no windows. With nothing, yeah. But they can like turn on and off the lights if they wanted to. They had a little kitchen, they had food, they had a record player. They had people? Not other people. No other people. All by themselves. How long did they stay in 18 days okay so did the people's
Starting point is 00:08:49 cycles shift to 20 hours awake and 10 hours of sleep schedules accompanied by the impression that less time had passed than actually had two people started getting their sleep in the form of frequent naps with most of their non-nap activity happening to occur around dawn and dusk. Like if they could have seen the sun that's what would have been happening. For three, nothing really and everybody was just normal. Everybody was just normal? Yeah. Oh no!
Starting point is 00:09:17 Because I was going to go with number three after hearing the first two. But then that seems extremely unlikely. Yeah, there's no way they were normal. But I also feel like it would be impossible for us actually to line up with actual dawn and dusk, which is
Starting point is 00:09:32 also kind of normal. I feel like you get messed up at the beginning at least. Because I've heard the thing about that our circadian rhythm is not exactly 24 hours and so it just feels correct to me that if you were in this bunker without knowing what actual time it was that you would slowly drift onto a different schedule 20 hours awake
Starting point is 00:09:52 10 hours asleep but i didn't think it was that different that's pretty dramatic yeah i also feel like napping would be much more likely especially because like what am i doing like do i have an activity i need to accomplish have you given me like doing? Like, do I have an activity I need to accomplish? Have you given me, like, craft work to do? Do I have knitting needles? Because if there's nothing to do, I'm going to nap all the time. They were German, so they could probably listen to craft work. Thanks. They did have records in books and stuff.
Starting point is 00:10:19 They had records in books and stuff. I worry about the nap one. It could either be true or a convincing lie because I feel like that would be a justification for those like the ideal sleep schedule for humans is taking 20 minute naps in the middle of the day or things like that. I was hearing that. Yeah. And so it could either be a weird pseudoscientific thing that has come up nowadays that you just adapted as a lie to be from this study or this could be the study that kicked started those thoughts and ideas. Could be. When was this study from? The late 1950s to the early 1980s.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Oh, so they did this for a while. Yeah. Okay. So the things we have. We have cycles shifted, 20 hours awake, 10 hours asleep. Two, frequent naps, most action at dusk and dawn. Or three, everything was normal.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Feeling normal over here. Why is normal the weirdest one? You guys, I'm going to go with normal. I'm going to go with naps. Alright, I'll go with the 20 hours and 10 hours. Oh, we're denying you any point clusters, Sam. You jerks. Alright, so the right answer between
Starting point is 00:11:24 20 hours awake, 10 hours asleep, people taking naps, or nothing, everything's normal. Nothing, everything's normal. Nothing, everything's normal? Yeah. So number one was the 20 hours awake, 10 hours asleep thing and the impression that less time passed than I actually had. So Maurizio Montalbini was a cave diver who spent 210 days underground in 1987. Then in 1989, a woman named Stefania Folini spent 130 days in a cave. I've heard of these people.
Starting point is 00:11:53 I've heard of this cave thing. Yeah. Both of them were studied by NASA to some degree. I couldn't quite tell. It's kind of like sketchy details, and I'll tell you why that is, I think, in a second. It's kind of like sketchy details, and I'll tell you why that is, I think, in a second. They both lost a ton of weight and experienced a huge shift in their sleep patterns to 20 hours awake, 10 hours of sleep. And they also thought that way less time had passed.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Stefania Fellini thought that two months had passed when, in fact, four months had passed. And it was pretty similar for the other guy, too. They both had, like, the same results. And I think, I'll tell you why I think that is when I get to the third one. That's right. Number two, that's just cats. Cats nab all day and then they're gone. Well.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Good lie, Sam. And number three, they were all okay. They spent 18 days in isolation in a little nice apartment where they could turn the lights on and off. Their sleep turned into more like a 25-hour cycle. And I read somewhere that that was just because people like to stay up late. That's normal. It's normal. It was like 24.8 or something.
Starting point is 00:12:53 That's pretty normal. That's pretty normal. Yeah. And then after they got into that cycle, when they stayed there, it totally remained constant. Like for everybody that they tested, once they got into that slightly longer cycle, it stayed exactly the same. Everybody that they tested, once they got into that slightly longer cycle, it stayed exactly the same. They figured this out and they set this baseline for how people in this isolation would be living. And they identified things called zeitgebers or time givers.
Starting point is 00:13:22 And those were things that people did like socially that made them know internally like what time it was. like eating like when they got hungry or needed to drink water or stuff with their internal temperature okay can tell could tell people what time to go to bed so then they started messing with those and like cranking like the temperature like giving people less food or less stimulation then they started getting results like the people who stayed in the cave so that was like it would mess up your internal temperature and then you'd start getting like real weird. But I think the two people in the cave were so weird because it seemed more like a publicity stunt to me. And like the lady didn't have anything.
Starting point is 00:13:53 She had like cardboard and scissors and like a rat or something. So they were. She picked three items to go into a cave. What do you want? Cardboard, scissors, rat. She had two mice and like cardboard that she was doing crafts with. Was she friends with the mice? Were they like companions?
Starting point is 00:14:12 She said she talked to the mice and had conversations with them. Did they live there or she brought them in with her? I think they were brought in with her. This is very weird. It's a very MacGyver thing. This is like, and then she exploded the door. That's how she got out. When they let her out,
Starting point is 00:14:25 she said she didn't really want to leave. Like when she was ready, when they told her it was time to come out because there was a predetermined time, then she was like
Starting point is 00:14:32 kind of sad that she was getting out of the cave too. Generally, as long as you can turn on and off your own lights, that seems like
Starting point is 00:14:39 the thing that you will stay consistent no matter how long you are away from the sun. Wow. At least among 300 people. As long as they're German.
Starting point is 00:14:49 As long as they're German. It's very precise. For 18 days. The people in the caves were in there for longer. They were in there for a really long time. I just think that there was so much stress associated probably with the way that they were living. Living in cardboard and sleeping on scissors. And I couldn't find if Stefania had a bed or anything.
Starting point is 00:15:08 I know that Maurizio slept in a wooden box. What? So I think that like they were setting themselves up to be in an intense situation. If I am sleeping in a box with two rats, cardboard, and some scissors, I'm not going to sleep for 10 hours a night. I'm going to sleep for like three hours and be like, ow, my back. Well, maybe you'll be,
Starting point is 00:15:30 but you'll be awake for 20 hours. So maybe you'll be like, I don't want to fall asleep. It's no good. Did you say why they went down into the cave? Maurizio just liked to do it. And he wanted to set world records. And he was a caver.
Starting point is 00:15:44 So eventually he got hooked up with NASA, it seemed like. And they were, like, testing him just when he would go down there to try to set the world records. Yeah. And Stefania was a fan of his and just did it to do a world record, too. So, I think she still has the longest world record for a woman being isolated. Like, the woman's record for isolation. Oh, huh. And I think he might, too. But I don't know. He just died in, like the woman's record for isolation. Oh, huh. And I think he might too,
Starting point is 00:16:05 but I don't know. He just died in like 2006. And I think he had just set the world record when he died. So maybe by now somebody else did, but. But like overall isolation?
Starting point is 00:16:14 He has overall isolation, I'm pretty sure. And did he die of isolation? He died of heart problems that a lot of the obituaries I read said was not related to the stress from living
Starting point is 00:16:24 in a cave a lot. But they all said that and it seemed very suspicious that they would all say that. Just with everybody wanting to be very clear. Yeah. But the way I got clued onto this
Starting point is 00:16:34 was that there are some studies and stuff that say like the human body has a 30-hour sleep cycle. And I think it seemed like it was only based on these two. These two random cave people who slept on scissors. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:44 But people who had bunks and lights and lived in a place where they had books and stuff, they just went to like 24.8. Well, you know, it's like the paleo diet. All those old inhumans just lived in caves with scissors. So, gotta go back
Starting point is 00:17:00 to our ancestors. Two mice, some scissors, and some cardboard to do some crafts with. What else do you need? She comes out of the cave and she's just got a bunch of really great cardboard crafts. She might have. She was an interior designer.
Starting point is 00:17:15 So she probably had some good ideas while she was down there. Now we're going to head into our fact off, but before we do that, we're going to hear some words from some sponsors. We're back. Hank Buck totals right now. Sarah, you got nothing. Stephanie, you got nothing.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Sam and I are tied with two. Now get ready for the fact off. Two panelists have brought in science fact to present to the others in an attempt to blow our minds and we each have a Hank Buck to award to the fact that we like the most. If both facts are a giant snooze, then you don't get a Hank Buck. We throw it in the trash. So who goes first?
Starting point is 00:18:02 It's going to be the person and I've been watching, who most recently checked their watch. I don't have a watch. I know. That's it. Did I check it since coming down here? You haven't, no.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Oh. But you probably did because you have one, yeah. I don't think I've had a watch since junior year of high school. And I wanted to be edgy. So instead of having to watch with numbers, I had to watch with colors on it instead in a little circle that moved around. That's how Sari was edgy. It was just so when people looked at my watch, they'd be like, how do you tell time on that?
Starting point is 00:18:38 That's not edgy. That's pretentiously nerdy. Okay. Maybe those are synonymous in my head and that's how I've become the way that I am alright so Stefan and Sari are in charge of the fact off this week hit me
Starting point is 00:18:56 with your facts Stefan of the normal watch with numbers on it we do a lot of timekeeping with clocks but there's one area where humans themselves have to act as the timekeeper, and that's when it comes to music. Oh, yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:19:11 So I was looking at different studies that were related to that idea and found one that was kind of interesting. So when you're walking and listening to music, most people naturally sort of synchronize their steps to the tempo of what they're listening to. And so there's this kind of intuitive idea that like, if you listen to faster music, you'll walk faster. If you listen to slower music, you'll walk slower. But this study was trying to figure out if you
Starting point is 00:19:35 listen to different pieces of music that are all the same exact tempo, how does that affect how you walk? So they had people walking on a circular track while listening to 52 different musical samples that were all 130 beats per minute, all had four beat meter. And then they also had them walk to a metronome at that tempo, just for like a neutral baseline speed.
Starting point is 00:19:58 But they were explicitly told that they had to walk in sync with the music and they discarded anything where they did not take 130 steps per minute. Okay. So they're taking the same number of steps but maybe at different lengths of stride? Mm-hmm. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:12 They also noted that a different study had found that loud bass drums make people have vigorous horizontal hip movements, which wouldn't affect your forward momentum. But they noted that they were not measuring that in this study. Give me that phrase again. Vigorous. Vigorous horizontal hip movements. That might affect your walking too. I feel like I make some vigorous hip motions sometimes if I'm listening to a good song.
Starting point is 00:20:38 I'll check. Okay. Yeah. Keep an eye out for that. So they had people walk to the music and then they came back a couple days later to listen to the music again and they assigned had people walk to the music and then they came back a couple days later to listen to the music again and they assigned specific adjectives to the music.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Okay. Deciding whether it was like good or bad, tender or aggressive, soft or loud. And then they did all this analysis and they scaled the metronome speeds to 100% for each person and then found that different music induced variations up to about 10% faster
Starting point is 00:21:03 or 10% slower than that baseline speed. And aggressive, loud, fast, stuttering music made people take longer strides and walk faster. And that was usually like pop or techno style music. And then tender, soft, slow, and fluent music tended to make people take shorter steps. And that was more in like jazz reggae style. Okay. And it seemed like personal taste didn't really matter. It was just like these qualities of the music that affected how vigorously people were walking.
Starting point is 00:21:34 And this is something that we now have done research on. And to know... The main thing that they're sort of looking into this for is for physical rehab. Oh, okay. Because they know, like they already use music to like sort of looking into this for is for physical rehab oh okay um because they know like they already use music to like sort of influence how people are moving in that and but the way they've categorized it has been much more general and this was trying to get more
Starting point is 00:21:53 specific about what kinds of music affect people in different ways so but what's better for me as a human should i listen to more reggae should i take my time more or should i get to where i'm going i think that's something you have to decide for yourself. All right. That's a good fact, Stefan. I'm into it. I'm into it. I'm afraid for you because Sarah usually gets something good together.
Starting point is 00:22:13 But we'll see what happens. I fucking love timekeeping. I love watches and clocks and technology involved in it. And so when I started researching this, I expected to find straightforward devices like pocket watches or hourglasses or sundials or weird variations of them. And there are some and I could tangent about them forever. But there is one inventor who lived around 1100 or 1200 CE named Al Jasseri. And among many devices he designed and built is an over three meter tall clock. It kept time throughout the day and night with little doors that popped open or circular discs that would light up and showed the phase of the moon it had automaton humans
Starting point is 00:22:50 which played music on fake trumpets or drums at a few specific times during the day and falcons which dropped bronze balls onto symbols every daylight hour and all this intricate machinery was entirely powered by water and a couple systems of pulleys and gears, which had to be reset every 12 hours by a human. And all of this was before electricity and modern technology. And it's also considered to be one of the earliest examples of an analog computer because it's like a device that is performing actions based on essentially an equation. And by changing the amount of water you loaded it up with, it could be reprogrammed to account for different amounts of daylight or nighttime hours. And he called it the castle clock.
Starting point is 00:23:34 But it was cool because he had to have measured out different weights and set different weights. So like a solid dribble of water would cause the normal hours to tick. But then on certain hours, there was a bigger rush of water would cause the normal hours to tick but then on certain hours there was a bigger rush of water so that the automatons could be powered to move their arms to play the drums or play their trumpet yeah their symbols air pressure would change so that the trumpet actually played trumpets the trumpets made noise the trumpets made noise oh my god geez back off a little bit leave something for the future. He's too smart. And this was like hundreds of years before European automatons, as far as I could tell,
Starting point is 00:24:12 because those dates range from like 1600s, 1700s. Well, I guess it's time for us to award our fact to either Stefan's how fast do you walk when you listen to reggae versus jazz versus Lady Gaga? And how far do you shake your butt? Or Sari's Al Jazeera castle clock of pretension. Yeah. I'm a pretentious son of this whole episode. Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you got a castle clock in your house, it's like, oh, by the way, the smartest guy living in the world right now built this thing that I have a room for.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I'm going to go with the current science. I'm going to go with scientists being like, I want to see how big your steps are when you listen to Ariana Grande. Yeah. I think I am, too. It's like mall science. I like that. It's like mall science. How fast can we get you in and out of these stores?
Starting point is 00:25:04 Yeah. Let's figure that out. All right. Well, geez. I'm just going to sit here with my colorful watch, my fancy clock, and all my clock facts. And no one's going to appreciate it besides me. Clocks are lame. Well, Sari, here's your chance to redeem yourself because it's time for Ask the Science Couch.
Starting point is 00:25:21 This is a thankless job. It is. It really is. You don't get any hangpucks for this. We're going to ask listener questions to our couch of finely honed scientific minds. And we got a question for us to be read by Sam. At LadyBluebell65 asks, why 60 minutes, 60 seconds, 60 everything? Oh boy. Right? I'm so, I'm over it. All of these 60s. Everything would be much easier. I also feel this way about the degrees of a circle.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I know exactly how much half of 100 is and half of 50. I'm all here for that. And that would make all of this circle stuff so much easier to calculate. But I assume that it has something to do with that. Sari, tell me what I'm missing. It does. 60 in general is better because it's more divisible than 100, including like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. It's the smallest number that is divided by all those factors consecutively. Everything makes so much more sense now.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Everything should be 60. Everything should be 60. There's a lot of speculation as to why this became the basis of our time number system. But the Sumerians and the Babylonians used what's known as a sexagesimal system. To further answer that question, it's not 60 everything. It's 24 hours in a day. I think the 24-hour thing traced back to the ancient Egyptians. So after the Sumerians, after the Babylonians, some of the first timekeeping devices were sundials and nighttime divisions at least
Starting point is 00:26:59 came from the observation of 36 constellations known as decans. So stars in the sky, constellations. As the Earth revolves around the sun, different constellations appear in the sky. And so these 36 constellations that the ancient Egyptians marked would mark out 10-day periods over the course of a year. So like 10 days would pass, a new constellation would show up first in the eastern sky.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Okay. And from what I can tell, about 12 of them would cross the night sky in one night as the Earth rotated through the night. And so that set up for, like, a division of nighttime into 12 hours. Not entirely sure where the daytime hour thing came from. Well, probably daytime is the same length as the night time, roughly, especially in Egypt. So just do that. Yes. This is where my fuzziness with the idea of an hour came in because they didn't have 60 minutes, 60 seconds. They had sundials that just, I don't know, pointed to a number as the sun moved through the sky. They also had number as the sun moved through the sky.
Starting point is 00:28:09 They also had constellations that gradually progressed through the sky during the night. Those are relatively standard units, but if the daytime grew slightly longer or slightly shorter, I could see that those 12 units would progress slightly differently. It took until mechanical clocks for us to actually standardize and like people in Europe to say, OK, we're going to do 24 hours based on the ancient Egyptians, 60 minutes, 60 seconds based on the system established by the Babylonians. And we can create devices to measure this. So they just did whatever they wanted to. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's all.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Like, all of this is arbitrary. Yeah. Somebody had to make a choice. Right. I guess that makes sense. I think there was an effort at one point to make it to make like 100 second minutes and 100 minute hours. The hour was going to stay the same length and it's still going to be 24 hours in a day. But ultimately, you know, what I often find in these conversations is like, it would be
Starting point is 00:29:04 better if it were different and it's like but you know what's better than different is just agreeing on something yeah yeah the really amazing thing about time and clocks is that we have a global system we have a global system of months and hours and seconds and years. And there are some places where like the year is different than our year. But the fact that we all sort of have this standardized system of timekeeping
Starting point is 00:29:33 is actually pretty amazing. You know, that there were plenty of opportunities for it not to be that way. And it is really nice. Like it's quite good that we have all agreed on that because it would be very annoying to arrive in a country and be like well not only do i have to like reset what time it is i need to
Starting point is 00:29:50 go buy a new watch yeah that goes by their time system not something i thought about before i said it but that would be annoying that would be awful that's why decimal time didn't catch on it was instituted in france with a decree put out on 5th, 1793, which was like a year and a half before the introduction of the metric system. So before they did, they standardized all other units. They were like, hey, let's try standardizing time. And so they created decimal time clocks, dividing things into tens. And it was really unpopular because people were like, you fucked up my time. I don't know when I'm supposed to go to this meeting anymore yeah what time are you on what time are you on yeah
Starting point is 00:30:30 and there were so few practical reasons for like your average person to change how they use time as opposed to the metric system applied to a lot of other units where that standardized commerce weights and measurements helped with a lot of science things and they helped with a lot of other units where that standardized commerce weights and measurements helped with a lot of science things and they helped with a lot of knowing how much to pay for what and standardizing what you're getting for your money and was easier to communicate because then people could just change how they measured things as opposed to like replacing every single clock and watch in a whole country and telling people like this is the thing that you need to own now and the thing that i like about this most is that the people who are, like, on the sesagesimal system are so dead and forgotten
Starting point is 00:31:11 that we will never have anything like an understanding of who they were as individuals, much less what their lives were like. But we are all very deeply affected by their decisions to this day. If you want to ask the science couch your science questions, please do, because that was fascinating. Thank you, Sarah,
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Starting point is 00:32:23 and our sound design is by Joseph Tuna-Medish. Our social media organizer is Victoria Bongiorno and we couldn't have made any of this without Thank you. But one more thing. There's a small 2017 study called Hydrodynamics of Defecation published in the journal Soft Matter. And in it, researchers estimated that the average mammalian shitting time is 12 plus or minus 7 seconds. So I propose that as a new unit of time.

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