Senses Working Overtime with David Cross - James Adomian

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

James Adomian (Comedy Bang! Bang!) joins David to discuss infomercials, impressions, and more. Catch all new episodes every Thursday. Watch video episodes here.Guest: James AdomianSubscribe and Rate Senses Working Overtime on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review to read on a future episode!Follow David on Instagram and Twitter.Follow the show:Instagram: @sensesworkingovertimepodTikTok: @swopodEditor: Kati SkeltonEngineer: Nicole LyonsExecutive Producer: Emma FoleyAdvertise on Senses Working Overtime via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It'll take you two minutes and you'll be helping us out so much by doing it. Okay. Go to gum.fm slash senses to fill out our audience survey. That's gum.fm. senses. What are you coming from the airport? I'm going to the airport. Going to the airport. Good to see you, good to see you.

Very good to see you. Cheers. Um, you have your choice. Oh great. Uh, based on, uh, well, any number of things really. Color aesthetics. Yeah. OK.

This means I'm a conservative guy in the red shirt? Unless you're in the UK. And then it stops. It's like, OK. Choose wisely. Do you want water or anything? Yeah, sure, if I can. Water, seltzer, coke.

Water. Thank you. So you were here, and now you're going back. I'm going to LA, yeah. Okay. Are you psyched? It's the same thing, isn't it? Always. I'm going to go to the beach. I went to the beach yesterday in New York

for the first time in a long time. How was it? Rock away. It's dirtier than LA, but it's not that bad. I haven't been in two years, and I took my daughter out there, but I liked it, but it was disturbingly warm. This was like the beginning of July, and it shouldn't be that nice yet.

And it was nice. It was really nice, but I was like, okay, but I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily It's nice at this moment. Yeah, it's it was disturbing to be that nice Do we do these if you want I don't you don't yeah, there's no reason to I'm not playing any you know unless You don't have a bad. Do you have fun stuff to cue? There's no reason to. I'm not playing any, you know, unless...

You don't have a back beat? Do you have fun stuff to cue, did you cue up some fun stuff that we gotta listen through the cans? No, I think we're good. Okay. Alright. So what were you doing here? I like this exit interview.

It's a nice way to leave a city. What do you mean? It's like what were you doing? It was like the opposite of the customs. Right. Yeah. It's like, okay, so how was your... What was your point? What was your point? What's your point being here? What's the deal? I did a I did a short film that I was had a few lines in. They put me up with everything. So then I used that opportunity. I parlayed that into also doing a

small show. Oh, great. Where was it? It was in Brooklyn at a place called Brandon Saloon. Oh, shit. That's right up the street from me. That is. Literally, yeah.

Oh, it's gay. It is a gay show. It's a gay show. It's straight friendly gay show. It is, yeah, well no, but I put up a warning sign that says, you know, be gay all ye who enter here. I've never seen your gay-centric material. What?

I thought that's how you first saw me. No, I saw your material, which in which you spoke about being gay, but it wasn't like, I wouldn't consider it. Ah, right. Like there's like, I have always. You didn't see me do the lavender circuit. No, I did not.

It's the same shit. I do the same shit as I do at well good straight venues But they just appreciate it less Because you're making your you're acting on stereotypes no because it's like they it's like I It's not I don't know. It's just stand-up and that's not really I'm right. I'm complaining too much, but that's no, I don't know, it's just stand up and that's not really, I'm complaining too much, but that's it. No, no, I get it, I get it. I can see that, especially, yeah, I get it. It's not just me, this is like a perennial complaint

of the gay comedians. Yeah, I get it. They don't really go for it and, oh, okay. What if you tell them, well, now you have to buy it. Honey, we gotta find a place to put the head gum box. Don't ask how much. I'm working it off, slowly. I gotta do four more appearances.

Um, what was I gonna say? The gaze. Well, stand up in particular. Well, here's the thing. I'm a couple of different cultural types or whatever, and I have never understood, it is so wildly unappealing to me, the idea of a one specific kind of comedy for a night. And you see it with every night of Jewish comedy, a night of feminist comedy, a night of gay comedy, a night, you know, pick it. And the idea of 90 plus minutes of a bunch of different people going up there just doing shit about being whatever. Stepping on the same premises.

Crazy. It could be tough, right? So unappealing to me. I like to, yes. Just give me one gay guy. All I need is one. You need one per show? Oh.

Give me a Jew, give me a black, give me a Latinx, whatever they call themselves, give me a trans, give me a gay, give me a feminist and give me a gay, give me a feminist, and then you're done. This, I mean, this could, you could run for mayor of New York City. Yeah, well, that's part of my plan. I'm not an ex-cop.

Well, then you can't, you won't win, you can run. Yeah, no, I won't win. I promise I'm not corrupt. You have the beard of a mayor of New York City from the 1800s That's what I asked for. Tammany Hall, give me the Tammany. When I went to Arthur Smith When I went, what's the name Arthur Smith? Wasn't he the mayor for a long, when I've read that Power broker. Ah, yes. Yeah, that was the guy. Yeah, he was the mayor that was friendly with What's his face? The guy.

Conklin? No, the guy who ruined New York, who started out as a really. Robert Moses? Yeah. Okay. Started out as a really somewhat altruistic kind of guy, all about the people and then just guy, all about the people, and then just along the way just got corrupted by his own need for power and to do things his way. And he just...

Too bad I've never seen that as like a story arc of some kind. That would... Someone should make a story like that. Well, they tried to make the Innu a play and well, they did make an Innu a play and it did not succeed. Yeah. I mean, actually about Robert Moses. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It's a, it's a Well, it's tough to cram all those highways into a stage. Well, if you put miniatures and then project them on the back, It would have made, they should have had Brio. With this music like, Hey, Mac, I'm trying to drive here. music like The musical

And you have get get some guy, you know Like a brio expert to put like little like tracks around it. There you go or hot wheels or whatever You know what James? Is there a better stage picture somewhere else? You know what James? Is there a better stage picture somewhere else? We're talking with James Adomian, the very very funny, smart, passionate James Adomian, co-star of the movie Hits. Thank you. And James, I think now would be a great opportunity for you to tell the folks about my upcoming tour, the end of the beginning of the end. Here's a hat that I got a sample in the mail yesterday. It's the end of the beginning of the end. Tour, yeah. And you, for dates.

It's a fresh hat. It's got a couple of factory wrinkles on it. Yeah, it's brand new. And so check my website, officialdavidcross.com, see if I'm coming to your city. 44 cities in America in the beginning, then we go to Canada, then Europe, UK, then back to America. And that's a detail from the poster, the artwork. So the poster encompasses more than that. Yes.

But it's that's the zoom in almost and it looks like you're targeted. I am targeted. So what do you got coming up? Is there anything you'd like to plug? I'm doing my what my special is out. Oh, my first stand up special is out now in its preview form on the website for 800-pound gorilla. 800-poundgorillamedia.com. It's called Path of Most Resistance, and it's available widely to rent and purchase and stream on September 19th. Great, great.

Yeah, how'd you find 800-pound gorilla? I don't... Oh, you know what they they my album from 2012 Had become unavailable due to link rot and so what is link rot link rot is when the internet like decays and like something that people either either something good or something it doesn't matter if it's good or not, but just something goes away because. Well, somebody not buying the place. Somebody stops maintaining the thing

or a company buys a company and they get rid of all their servers. So it happens over time where things that people were like, oh, it's on the internet, just aren't there anymore. So 800 Pound Gorilla, I said gorilla. 800 Pound Gorilla stepped in and re-hosted, re-posted my album. Oh, that's great.

So I liked working with them for that. That was, that album was called Low Hanging Fruit. And- I get it. Thank you. I like, I like to have- You get it? Have you ever had anything that had more than one meaning

in any of your stuff? You mean almost like a double? Intention. Meaning? Yeah, was there a hidden meaning of Mr. Show of some kind? Well, it was supposed to be Mrs. Howe and then the punctuation got changed because we had a, it was the posters were made in China.

You said that before, you must have. No, but we had a bit where we just called it. Oh, right. So yeah, the 800-pound gorilla was good to me. They were good to me. They're great. And I like to stick with people who did it to me. I really... I had such a bad... I mean, in numerous ways.

And I had been warned to... in the defense of all the people who were disappointed in me that I went with comedy dynamics who just that was just a terrible experience and and I had been warned by a number of people and I don't know much about them well they're not good they put out they put out the special I did with Anthony Tamanic Trump versus Bernie but I didn't pay much attention to it because right after it came out, everyone forgot about Bernie Sanders. So it was like, all right, get with the times, pal. No, it was a bad deal as they were not, it was, oh, come on, was put out on that platform

or whatever. Anyway, but I've been with 800-pound gorilla since and they're great. They're good. Have you seen their office in Nashville? Yeah, I've been with 800 pound gorilla since and they're great. They're good. Have you seen their office in Nashville? Yeah, I've been down there. I went down there to micromanage the edit of the thing, you know. That is one big positive for me is that I assumed I was going to have to go to Nashville for three days or whatever, sit over the editor's shoulder, which has happened before, and that guy Dave is great. Oh, Dave Shambam, he's so good.

And I didn't have to leave. I didn't have to go to Nashville for three days. You did it remotely. Yeah, well, I mean, I just gave notes and we talked for however long it took, and then it got done. He's good, he's really good. He is great and I was there in the room with him

and we did it in, I think we did it in two days. Oh, that's nice. Well, that's- We had a fun time with him, I mean. Yeah, but that's a luxury if you got, yeah, you can knock it out in two days, that's amazing. Yes, because I realize I have a problem with emails and it would have never gotten finished if I-

You realize you have a problem with emails. God damn. What does that mean? Well, thank you. That was something that we can unpack, I think. You're welcome. James. It's a breakthrough, I can feel it on the verge

of a breakthrough, it's okay. I, it's just a work habits problem where if it's on email and it doesn't get handled immediately, then it's. I think most people share that problem. Right. It would have happened, I would still be editing it. Right. I understand.

That is a way to, if you have the luxury of going to Nashville for a couple days, then yeah, that's a great way to do it. That's the highest luxury. Of being able to go to Nashville. Be able to. A couple days. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite part of Nashville?

The, the, the bar district. The bar district? I don't know what they call it. Have you ever been to Dino's? Probably. Oh, it's great. Is it the Dart bar? No.

They have a bunch of darts in Nashville. I didn't know that. They have like, like, um, dart throwing professionals who are like... Really? Yeah, and they're very welcoming though. They're like, you want to throw? And I'm like, well, I'm not. And they're like, anybody can.

Come on. Like, very welcoming in that way. Did they teach you? Did they stand behind you and sort of take your hand and guide you? They took my hand! And then slowly, erotically. Yes, it was like a shaky but masculine hand that cupped mine. And then just the lips right behind your ears, like just lightly.

And he said, you don't need to aim for the middle. Flick the tip. Just throw it. Flick the tip. Yeah. The feather will take it where it goes. I did not know there was a darts scene in Nashville. Maybe it's just one bar that I was hanging out. Oh for fuck's sake. Are you serious? We went to one bar? I don't know. That had darts and now Nashville's like the epicenter of darts in America.

I can't account for this. I can't account for this because I was just working and being out there. Why would I listen to anything you say now? That's a good point. I guess, I don't know, I'm paying for this by the minute, right? Yes. So I have a few more minutes to burn up. You have a dime a minute. It's not expensive.

That's how this show works, by the way. That's how much I earn. It's the equivalent of the old late night infomercials where it was like, tell me one more thing. I really enjoyed that. It was somewhat short-lived, but the era where the infomercial evolved to where they were trying to sort of give, did away with the pretense of an audience. And they actually had like little kind of sketches, sitcom-y type things where people would meet in the kitchen for breakfast or something. You remember the one for the bullet, right? The blender? Yes.

And they had a similar one for non-stick pans, but it was like there's, it's a sitcom stage, right? So it's your kitchen. Right. Multi-camera, no audience, and then people would, and there were characters, like the guy, and you could see, you can imagine the breakdown in the casting, like slovenly, but avuncular,

you know, uncle who comes- I'm going out for those roles right now. And he comes in the bathrobe and he needs coffee. And you know, whatever. And then, oh, it was the best part of the infomercial era. Do you think that there's like a, like a, like a anatomy or like a through line of different directing styles and infomercials that there's like an anatomy or like a through line of different directing styles and infomercials that it's like, what did they get hired away from?

Where like the guys who get hired away from multicam sitcoms, that's like, I'm bringing my vision to this. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. And always with a cut, a little cut at the back end. I'm willing to give up. I know you're paying me scale. Less than scale?

Okay. I know you're paying me less than scale, but I'm willing to give up, I know you're paying me scale. Less than scale? Okay, I know you're paying me less than scale, but I'm willing to give up some of that for a little bit of the backend because I think we're gonna revolutionize infomercials. Do you remember there was one where there was a lady who was smoking. She was like an old, you know, what I imagine JD Vance pictures

with the, you know, childless cat ladies. You know, she's got a cigarette and you imagine her character's name is Blanche even though they don't talk. And she's like, what are you doing with these pans? You know, do you remember any of these? I remember the ones, look at the infomercial, the kinds I saw, there was one guy that was like,

he didn't blink. I was in the, when I was in high school, it was the era of, I do remember the ones that had the big audiences where it's like, ooh, ah. But they had moved on to like- That was the second phase. Yeah. Yeah. There was like a, there was like a,

there was a guy that never blinked that was in Palm Beach or something that was like, the third way to make money that I stumbled onto. Oh, that guy, that, he was in Chicago. Okay. He was a younger guy. He was younger, yeah. He always had like sports cars and girls in bikinis to show you what would happen if you flipped houses.

I believe that that guy was, I don't wanna get into any trouble here, but I believe that that guy, the guy I'm thinking of, was convicted of some kind of fraud. I can't. You know. Do you have proof for these claims? Nicole!

Yeah, man, that would be fraud. The guy who said- Infomercial. I think it was Chicago, he was a younger guy, real estate, I wanna say. Yeah, he was like, the third way to make money that I stumbled onto is buying and listing properties. Yeah, that's him. I think he ended up getting in trouble.

Recently, I think his name was Don West, the Beanie Babies guy passed away, and he had become a wrestling announcer. I'm so sorry. But he was the- I'm sorry for your loss. I think his name was Don West, but he was the guy that you would tune in

when you were flipping channels and you would come past him screaming about baseball cards or Beanie Babies interchangeably with the same enthusiasm. I don't remember. Like a- Unreal, folks! Unreal! And he would, you would see his hands, you, because he was mostly off camera and there

were just some Beanie Baby. This is unprecedented! A blueberry precious Beanie Baby! Only three left, folks! Get on the hoard! Right, I know those guys who were on the home shopping club thing. Yes! Yeah. And then they would, like, they would flip, the hour would change over from Beanie Babies, Right, I know those guys who were on the home shopping club. Yes. Yeah.

And then they would like, they would flip, the hour would change over from Beanie Babies and then he would be equally like, a Mark Maguire rookie card. Are you shitting me? We watched it like a comedy show. Yeah, for sure. It was delightful. Have you ever seen the clip of the guy who's demonstrating a, it's like a three level ladder that kind of does, you know, it can be like a bench

or it can go, it can fold into different- Foldable furniture, yes. Yeah, and it's a ladder, and then he wipes out, he extends it and he goes up, and he wipes out, and he's, much like the great stomping lady, knocks the wind at him, and he is fucked up. I mean, it's, that fucking hurt in a major way. Like things look like things were broken.

Was this an outtake, or did they make it to air? No, no, it was, you know, I think it was live. They didn't give a shit, you know? Right. And yeah, it's available on the internet, but it's pretty funny. Well, wait until Linkrot sinks in. Linkrot also does sound like a disease from the old times.

It does. Yeah, mother came down with a case of Linkrot. Or a shitty band. Oh, ew! A band playing at the very- I hate Linkrot. Very beginning of, they open for the people, open for the people, open for the people

insane clown posse. Linkrot. Link, we are Linkrot! Go to our website. You can't. You can't anymore. Oh, they're vaguely English. I think so.

Oh, they were born in England, but moved here when they were like eight or nine. Well, no, they're doing the Green Day thing where they're pretending to be English when they sing their songs. All right. But you were talking. You weren't, that was them.

We also do that. Cause that's how we see merch plugged. That's banter. It's all explained on our website, linkrot.com. It doesn't work. You didn't pay the server. Truth in advertising. What's in a name, right?

Did you see, they had, what, they, this was, I don't remember which came first, if it became before or after billionaires with palm trees But the era of infomercial where it was like the black-and-white reenactments of like why oh tired of yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that stuff's the guy who's Who can't sit in his lawn chair is one of my favorites. Have you seen that?

Like he's trying to get them. I used to do it, pepper all my earlier stand up. There would always be like, there's got to be a better way. There's got to be a better way. And the guy who can't sit in his folding lawn chair is one of my favorites. I mean, he just can't work it. And he's like, and then there's the guy also,

this was colors, it wasn't black and white. He's trying to sit down in like a lounge, what do you call them? Like a Barca lounger, you know, one of those lazy boy type things. Yeah, the easiest thing to do. He's got popcorn and he's got a drink. That's right.

And he, remember that guy? And I can't, what? Oh, God damn it, again. He can't pop it back. He can't, he hasn't, he hasn't figured out, he's just so impatient, he wants to sit down with all the shit, he can't like set his popcorn down, then, or set the drink down,

then get in the, just set one of the things down, lie back, use your feet to extend the chair, and then pick up the other thing. You should, rather than, they should send you in as like a mid-season replacement coach to teach people in these infomercial scenarios how to sit down or get up or whatever. And to completely negate the necessity of the product.

The necessity, yeah. And, oh, all those things. And the, yeah, the shaving one, I remember shaving like, ow! Yeah, that, well, they were like intentionally, who lays a razor to their skin and goes, in the first place? I've got six seconds to shave my legs. In the first place. I've got six seconds to shave my legs. My current favorite commercial that makes me laugh,

smile, even if I'm by myself, and I've seen it dozens of times, and I can't remember which razor company it's for, it's like the guy who's, I'm gonna say, late 20s, is like, this ain't your father's razor. And then the dad is like in a separate box and he goes, hey. So the guy, it is really,

they have a longer one and a quick one. But the fact that this guy would be offended by the guy saying, this ain't your dad. Like, Hey, watch it. He says, watch it. I think it's not good enough for you. I, it's, it's, I don't know what the dad is upset about. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Phony. Um, he goes, yeah, he goes, this ain't your dad's, this ain't your father's razor. Hey, watch it. What if he what what why what it's not watch your mouth? I'll come over there and slap your fucking face. Well, that's what it looks like. Yeah, that's what dare You talk to your father. What if he was a little more abusive? Yeah, exactly

I want to fuck up your little wimp. I want to see if I wasn't in a remotely In a remote area, I'd fucking come over there and smack the shit out of you to backtalk me. What do you know about razors? What do you know about my razor? You come up with that razor talk, I'll take a razor to your fucking face myself.

Yeah. Hey, watch it. Was it passed, he was like, it was passed down generation to generation. I got this razor from my father. Yes, exactly. And was like, it was passed down generation to generation. I got this razor from my father. Yes, exactly. And you, but he stops with you. Yeah. No, no son of mine. No Callahan. Listen to me, the Callahans use one razor, one razor only. I got these kids out there going, this, my razor's not good enough. This kid, these kids today, they're newfangled. I will not live for this, I will grow my beard out.

I will grow a beard rather than this. You are disowned until you use a razor, doesn't have to be my razor, but the same brand. How dare you switch brands of razors to a more technically advanced razor. If my razor isn't good, it was good enough for my father, my father's father, and my father's father's father who came over on the Mayflower with that razor. Shaved an entire Indian population.

Get out of my house! But dad, I'm just, get out! Anyway, Razor Club. Razor Club. Look us up on our website. Linkrot.com. Hey, watch it. We got it from this band that wasn't using it.

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There was an article by, I don't know the site. It was, they were very, very nice, but it was like one of these, you know, pop culture. They talk about movies and TV shows and CDs and things. And there was a thing that just came out because I have a Google alert for increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret. And you know, every couple months it'll pop up and usually talking about Will Arnett, but yeah, he's doing like Lego Masters or something. And then, but that's how I'll know,

that's how I keep track of Will Arnett's career. I would like to imagine that your entire knowledge of what's happening in the world is filtered through your Google results that you have emailed to you. That's the only one I have an alert for. I have an alert for the, because it's also so... But then you go down a click, you click through all the links and it's, you find out something about the Federal Reserve because of your Google results.

Yeah. I know, I now know that I didn't back then, but I recently discovered Sandy Hook was a false flag. Sure. Because it was advertised next to the story. Yeah. And I only know that through my increasingly poor decisions at Todd Margaret Alert. And, oh, but the person was talking about how you can't see it. He was, the person, I think it's a male, I don't remember male, female, but they were like,

you know, it was but they were like, you know, it was one of those like, the best shows you can't see or something. So I didn't even know if it's out there. But, and the same thing applies to Hits. I'm pretty sure you can see Hits on my channel or website. I'm not sure of that though. But anyway, Hits was a movie that I wrote

and directed that James, there were a handful of people I wrote the characters with them in mind. I did that with you and Derek and Matt Walsh. Derek Waters. And he wrote this character, Donovan, with me in mind. And hits came out in 2013? I think 14. 14, yes, 2014. And we filmed it in 2013. And my character was Donovan. And it's great that he thought of me before he wrote it

because he's like an insufferable, an insufferable, bespoke Brooklyn guy. Yeah, Brooklyn,poke Brooklyn guy. Just a guy. I was like, well, this is how David sees me. And with like, no, no, it's not how I see you. I just know you could play that person so well. And also, you know that person,

the well-meaning but just annoying, cloying kind of precious. And this was a decade ago, so it was like, let's hop in the Zipcar. Yeah. That's aing kind of precious. And this was a decade ago, so it was like, let's hop in the Zipcar. Yeah. That's a big part of it. And you had me making my own glue, and there was a big vat of wood chips where I was like-

No, you made your own artisanal cardboard boxes. It was cardboard boxes, but I was like smelling the wood chips. Yeah. But you're- We kept lingering on that shot. But you also were like, it meant, it really, your character believed that, it's like, listen, we're so wrapped up in this idea of farm to table,

and this is all good, this is great, but what about the cardboard box? Why are we so quick to go, let's just mass produce a cardboard box? And this way you know that it's sourced. It's ethically sourced. You made your own cardboard boxes for, because that's to me the logical extension of that stupid shit.

When you start verbing the same things in the same way, are you interested in ethical sourcing? like. When you start verbing the same things in the same way, are you interested in ethical sourcing? One of the more annoying things I heard, like a guy like that say on the street, it was in LA and it was outside of a bookstore and he was getting people to sign up for things, you know, the petition seekers for a charity that pretends that it's better than it is.

And- What is it? I forget which one it was, but one of the global development charities or whatever. And he does the thing where he kind of like walks backwards with you while you're walking. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he goes-

He's fun and quirky. Yeah, he's fun and quirky. And he goes like, he'd even minute to take a micro action. And I was like, I was like, you're not, I was just, I was like, you're not allowed,

I, you can't coin that on me. I'm not, I don't have to live in a world where I accept micro action as a thing. Oh God. Cause it clearly they took microaggression and like flipped it into a positive thing. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't have,

you, that, I don't, I can reject that math. I don't have to live in this world. It's the idea of a fun way of articulating that this won't take but a second, and it's a good thing, and you're gonna do a good, you do a mitzvah, maybe put that, give that to the Orthodox who have the mitzvah tanks here in New York. Like, excuse me, are you Jewish?

You got time for a microaction? I get, the guys that go around, I'm not Jewish, but I get sometimes the guys that- You could, you could look, you could pass. Sure, yeah, and I get it occasionally where sometimes they need to have a certain number of guys to pray or something. And so sometimes I get asked. Yeah, you need a minion. But with the Mitzvah tank is, they wrap you in the Tefillin very quickly and then they

pray very quickly. They got it down. I mean, you're in and out in 90 seconds. We gays do something like that too. I don't know if you ever, if somebody ever think you look gay and they're like, excuse me, are you gay? We just have, we have to have a few guys over here. We do this ritual. Oh, I was slow on the, excuse me, my friend, are you gay? But with that Jewish accent. Right. Well, that's how gays sound also. It's very confusing.

Excuse me, my friend. Are you gay? Are you a gay Jew? We have a ritual bath. Oh. Yep. Is that it? I think that's the...

I didn't think of anything else for it. Okay. You know it was good that was good though. It seems a bit short. For a riff? No no no the whole episode. Oh wow that's it huh? Well I mean if you got nothing else. Is this if it doesn't go any better, does the awards and stuff start disappearing from the shelves? Link rot, award rot, yep. In real time. Mm-hmm, they disappear, they fade.

Dematerializing. None of these are for me. This is for, these are all for Kill Tony. Ah, right. Something I did not know existed until a couple of weeks ago. And this is true of, I'm going to say 99% of the podcasts out there or something. And I'll pass by and this happened, I was driving by the Paramount Theater, brand new. It's an old theater in Brooklyn that they refurbished and it is beautiful.

It's beautiful. From like Brooklyn that they refurbished and it is beautiful. It's beautiful. From like more than a hundred years ago? Yeah. Beautiful. That's tough. And it's just, they did an amazing job. And I'm not sure how many it seats, but it's got a couple thousand, you know? And so they just had their big opening

and they've got this whole list of folks who are performing there. And, you know, most of them I knew, I was familiar with bands and stuff like that. And then there's Kill Tony, sold out, two sold out shows. And I'm like, what? Who, what kind of music is Kill Tony?

No, it's a podcast. Wait, a podcast is selling out? Right. A podcast. And I've done a bunch of those, I've done several shows at like town hall for people who have a podcast that's coming through town or whatever, and it's amazing to me that

standup won't sell out, but people just goofing, shooting the shit. And I'm glad for them, glad that everybody's happy. There's certainly not a bad thing, but it's just like, wow, there's like theater that doesn't, you know, like people struggle to get seats, you know, people in the seats. Right, well, like then the next thing after that is gonna be people like watching and commenting

on a podcast. That they're like the Twitch guys that watch and comment on podcasts. Live. Live at 10. Live. Sold out at Paramount Theater. Yeah. It's crazy to me. I mean, it's just a new.

The guys that do a speed, they do a speed watch of a podcast. Right. That's this will, this won't sell out. No. Town Hall. But some guys will like watch it on double time speed along with like three other episodes

and that will sell out. That will sell out. And we won't be a part of it. No. To be fair, I did two shows in LA at the, oh gosh, what's the theater? The Hollywood Forever Cemetery Theater. It's the Masonic Theater there.

Yeah, it's great. It's a really great theater, really nice, well run. And I did two live versions of this that sold out, but also partly because one guest was Pat Oswald, one was Tim Heidecker. I sold out the branded saloon in Brooklyn earlier this weekend on, I think it was Friday night, and it was packed. It was full of people, it was great. Oh, and it was also open streets. Vanderbilt has open streets.

There were open streets adjacent to it, yes, which was very cool. Yeah, yeah, they started that during COVID. Yeah, it was pretty great. Yeah, and it was, you know, it was like, the capacity was like 25 people, but I packed it out. Yeah. Um, they had that in LA, but it didn't work, but I packed it out.

They had that in LA, but it didn't work. And I'm still bitter about it. They called it slow streets or something. And angry, aggressive drivers just vetoed it and were like, we're not allowing this to be the law. And would plow over the things or pick them up and put them in their pickup trucks and say like, this is no longer a pedestrian safe street. And the city of Los Angeles reacted by going like,

well, it's a rarely used part of our city charter that an angry driver can just decide that the law is different. Where did they try to have the closed? Los Feliz, all different neighborhoods. Yeah. It was in the Valley and Los Feliz, and you would see it in different areas,

but not connected. It was a different- No, no, I mean, yeah, the same thing here. Smaller streets. Yeah, we had, but did they have like Vermont or Hillhurst or something? No, like Finley. That's it?

Finley streets. They wouldn't allow, that's a residential street. Yes, they would do it even on residential streets The drivers wouldn't accept it because there was a precious necessary short What's the point of having a closing down a residential street that you can walk because everybody was walking and crowding on the sidewalks Oh my god, so you're it was you no, I'm saying If you're gonna have an open cannonball run out to LA No, I'm saying if you're gonna have an open street. It was you, you drove out, you did a cannonball run

out to LA, and you drove around all the residential slow streets. Do you know the cannonball's a real thing? The cannonball run? I didn't know that. They broke the record in 2020. I didn't, I was doing, I was in Copenhagen, doing shows there, and at my hotel, it's filled with the kind of folks you might imagine are part of it,

and it's international. And it was crazy. I mean, it was so cool though. But they did a cannonball run. This is in Copenhagen. They, whoa, whoa, whoa. And they had fancy cars and they all. The specifically the drive from New York to LA?

No, it was. Or was it from Copenhagen to Dusseldorf? It was from, it was somewhere in Europe. They were doing a cannonball run idea in Europe. The fastest person to drive from Warsaw. But also you got, you have to go through customs. You have to go through. Shares.

Well, there's the Shenzhen shared customs zone. So if you're in the most of the European countries, there's. Ohenzhen shared custom zone. So if you're in most of the European countries, there's- Oh, right. But what if you're American? There were definitely Americans there. Well, it does slow down some of the American partners. Maybe they would just have to wave a passport. I wonder what, I wonder unless it was some convention-y thing? Or of course you would be the American, like Smokey and the Bandit,

and you'd blow through some European checkpoint, and then there would be the magistrate. Boss Hogg would. But he's European, so he's like, we must stop this Smokey guy. Jackie Gleason is the German redneck sheriff. Yeah, we're no longer allowed to flaunt our laws here in Alsace. I'm going to get that rascal.

We will parallel him on the high speed rail. Oh man. There was a scene from Smokey and the Bandit that was shot at the exit, my exit off of I-85 in Roswell, Georgia. And it was very exciting for us. From the original movie? Yeah, when I was a kid. Boom, boom, boom, boom, he's boundin' down.

Loaded up and truckin' We're gonna do what they said can't be done We got a long way to go And a short time to get there Look out, something's rotten Oh, I told Bandit Run Yeah We don't like, we don't accept this song

because it celebrates the ones we are trying to bring to justice. He goes We're gonna do what they say, we got a something in Texarkana, and the boys are thirsty in Atlanta, and we got... There's beer in Texarkana. Also, the supply chain was a lot more limited back then. You had to get it from Texarkana. Which is a region. Because they need beer in Atlanta. get it from Texarkana. Which is a region. Because they need beer in Atlanta. It's not even a place, it's a region.

It had no other suppliers in Georgia. Straight to Atlanta. Right. Yeah, Atlanta, which was a booming metropolis. Even back then, a very large city, yes. And they didn't have beer. They didn't have their own access to beer. Maybe they just didn't have enough of the right kind. That's a tough one.

Yeah. Yeah, that's, that was, I just remembered something. Oh my God. Would you please, please, please do, this is one of the funniest things. I don't know if I remember, what is it? Oh, it's so funny. It's one or the other, but it's Louis CK putting Marc Maron to bed.

Oh, God, it's been a long time. It's the funniest motherfucking thing. It's so spot on. OK, I'm trying to remember this. It was like, it was like, it's Louis putting Mark to bed, right? Tucking him to bed, I think. Or Mark's like, No, it's Louis tucking Mark in.

Yeah, where he's like, I know it's bedtime, but it just feels, I feel unsatisfied. Like there's something else I'm supposed to do. Right, but it's dark. There's like nothing else to do. And then he's like touching the back wall. It's you the day is gone. Yeah, but just because the sun is blocked. I mean, they would have to they have to play by their rules. It's fine. No, it's fucked. But that's there's a shadow everywhere.

Oh, God, that's a long time. Have you ever ever done that? I just did it at live shows. God damn it, that's funny. And just the concept too. Louis CK tucking Mark Meredith into bed. Right. There's Mark, it's quiet. That's the best time to sleep, if any. I want to come up with different scenarios like of those two yeah that would be great like well there's just beer in Texarkana I don't

even drink. Louis how about Louis CK? They're thirsty in Atlanta. Louis taking Mark Merritt to Dave and Busters. Oh, okay, all right. Yeah, it's my birthday, we're doing this? You're gonna do the birthday thing? Yeah, there's drinks and there's ground squirrels that you hit them with a hammer. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not into the whole skee ball thing, I feel like they're getting away with something.

It's just, it's a, there's a wooden ball and you just, you roll it. Oh my lord, god damn damn that's funny. Yeah, but you get in the bucket and it says 25 and it just comes back down. That's what Skee-Ball is. I want to see a road movie with these guys. Just them in the car arguing about. Fuck man. I did Mark Manon was, I've done impressions of a lot of comedians and he was the one that gave me,

they're always either, I don't sound like that, boo, or wow, you got me. Mark Maron had a unique reaction where he gave constructive notes. First of all, he burst into the green room and someone had ratted me out and he was like, I heard you've been doing it in freshman year, do it tonight on stage.

And so I had to do it in front of him and I'm like young and scared. So I'm like, I had to do it ahead of him going on stage. And then after the show. It's just spot on for both of those guys. Well, you sit on a stool. You sit on a, I would sit on a stool and be like, yeah, I don't need this.

To the audience. Yeah, man, I don't know. You don't wanna laugh? I don't wanna do it. And then, he after the show, he was like, yeah, that was good, that was good. But you said something. What was he, he said the thing.

He said something about a stool. And I was like, right, yeah, I said I'm a brain suffering on a stool. And he goes, that's not it. That's not it. I'm not just intellectually suffering. I'm also, I have heart and I'm giving back. Oh my Lord. That's so Mark. I love him. The thing that he used to say, and it was a, and it was, uh, uh, intentional.

And there was a purpose to it because, you know, he would get, intentional and there was a purpose to it because you know he would get you married the idea of his anxiety with you know he used to like drink a lot and uh and and party a lot and uh and then he'd say are we good are we good we good and then and then i go, yeah, why? OK, last night. All right. We're good. OK, we good. Oh, the dates back to that time. Yeah. Yeah. It would say that all the time. And it was like, and he's, you know, we're hanging out. We wouldn't be hanging out if things weren't good. Right. You know, all the time.

Mark was very influential on me and a lot of people. He was he was like one of the guys that would do all the dumb shows around L.A LA when I started. Him and Pepitone, some show in a basement, like at a hotel, those guys would show up. Good. I mean, that's where you... Learned a lot watching them. Yeah. No, I mean, and he's true to himself, which is nice, and you know, you don't often see that.

You like this chili? You want to try this chili? Do you do other comics? Nope, just, I have a mono obsession with taking him down. No, right, yes I have. I did, okay, this was, I don't think any of this made it into the special. That would- Did you do Jeselnik?

I had not really. Okay, do you do Mike Viglia? That joke was great. I'm trying to think of people who have a very distinct- Okay, Pepitone. Oh, well anybody can do Pepitone. Okay, forget it. Anybody can do Pepitone.

Anybody can do Pepitone. You just gotta yell. What if it tug, tug this? Honestly, what if, seriously, what if I thought, honestly and seriously, what if I was here with David Cross Anybody can do Pepitone. Anybody can do Pepitone. You just gotta yell! What if it tugged less? Honestly? What if seriously? What if I thought, honestly and seriously, what if I was here with David Cross and I thought it would be a good, I finished my water. What if I thought, what if I, honest to God, I swear to, I swear to George Carlin, I finished

the water and I thought, oh, I'm gonna stop and I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna leave. What if I thought that was good television? What if I thought that, and I know that's not how it is, I know it's not, but what if I thought that? But what if I did it anyway? And I know it's not good, but what if I fucking did it? Do you know, Todd Glass, I should get him on the show

next time I'm out in LA, but Todd opened for me on the Bigger and Blacker tour. And he- I told you about this. I told you about this thing. I think, I don't remember what it was though. So he had a bit, and it was, we've now come full circle and Blacker tour and I told you about this thing. I don't remember what it was though. So he had a bit and it was, we've now come full circle cause it was about those infomercials.

And it was about the, it was either blender or the sham wow. All the things you could do with it. Yeah, so he would have, he would do the thing. He was like, you, the sham wow, you can wipe up spills. You can wipe up water. And he would do it thing, he's like, the ShamWow, you can wipe up spills, you can wipe up water, and he would do it for about 20 seconds, and it was funny, you know? And then he'd go, it's a fucking towel, whatever. And I said I would give him $1,000 cash

if he could do a run for two minutes. And I'm gonna time it, I sat off stage and I timed it, I would have my phone and he would start and he'd like look over and I'd hit start on the stopwatch and then he would go, you can clean up your blood. And he would just go, insects, go to your car, da da da. And he would just go on and on.

The audience liked it. And we'd on and on and on, yeah. And then he would stop and he'd look over and I'd shake my head like, no. That was a minute 21 and I'd shake my head like, no, that was a minute 21. And I tell him afterwards, you know, and then maybe after 12 or 13 times, he finally did it. He hit the two minutes. He hit the two minute mark and he was so excited. I was like, you got it. And I gave him.

You can clean up orange juice. You can clean up grapefruit juice. Yeah. You can clean up a grapefruit that you squeezed. Yeah, and he just have to. You can wipe away blood, piss, cum. On the inside of a glass, on the outside of a glass. Go to your shower. He just had to think of all these things.

Your toilet basin, your toilet itself, the lid, the underside of the lid, the shower curtain. Go outside, do your, the tile, the underside of the lid, the shower curtain, go outside, do your, the tile, do your tires. I remember him, he used to do- Your children. He used to do a bit around the same time where he would go, he was talking about Martha Stewart type cooking shows, and he would go, and I'm trying to do it, I'm trying to do it at my place, and I realize, I can't, I don't have bowls of pre-made shit laying around. Who else, who else?

Okay, we're in. Trying to distinctive. The fuck do I do? You do Sarah, Silverman? Not really, no. She's a distinct voice. Maria Bamford? I'm not asking you to try to,

just if you do it like Patton, Doug Benson. Okay, so Patton, Doug Benson. Okay so Patton Oswalt, I have before but this is, none of this is in my prepared remarks David. Okay so Patton Oswalt, it's better if I'm standing but it's like, I don't know. You've already got this down. Murgley gurgle, murgle, murgle burk. It's just hunched.

I mean, I don't know what to say about it. Okay, okay, okay. I'm out here on the- I don't wanna put you on the spot. Okay, here's one I remember. One time I came back to LAX and they had a sign up that said, it was like a TSA, a Homeland Security sign up in the baggage claim area that were like, Los Angeles International Airport,

Homeland Security facility is run by our local chief, you know, Lieutenant Bill Hicks. And I was like, you're not, I was like, you're not allowed to have a Homeland Security guy named Bill Hicks. That was, that to me was too much. So I was imagining, it was like, hey you, you, you ignorant pig-faced fucks

have entered a fucking police state! Oh man, I could fucking listen to this all day. This is great. Well, I gotta get to JFK. Wanna give me a ride? I have another guest coming in 24 minutes. It's Mark Marin. It's Mark who's been listening. Yeah, he wants to He wants to address all of these things. This is the new gimmick of the show is that you're like you pit people against each other. Hey, you know who, what I'm doing,

I think tomorrow actually, I am doing, yes, seriously, I'm doing Jim Brewer's podcast because he reached out to me, which I thought was really smart and cool. Hey, David, we gotta talk. Yeah, well, I said some shit about him. He confronted me with it, which he- And you're gonna-

No, no, I mean, it's gonna be adults. You're gonna like, dude, what's up, dude? You guys are like fucking talented over there. So we're gonna talk about it. And I think that was really cool of him to reach out and I'll tell him as much. And because I did say, I don't remember what it was, I just said some offhanded, kind of cheap comment

and then he confronted me with it. I don't even know what he was talking about at first, but I could imagine it. And this was years ago, years and years and years ago. We were both backstage somewhere. Oh, this is from years ago. Years and years ago. This is the origin of this.

And then he's like, yeah, come on the podcast. I'm like, yeah, great. So I'm excited to do that, that's tomorrow. Wow, you're really sewing up all conflicts. I'd like to. I mean, yeah, why not? I just find it interesting. Like I did- Right before the assassination, David had really put to bed all rivalries. Before I assassinated somebody. Okay, if that's what you need to. I, a long time ago, The Believer magazine, it's great. The magazine, was that a McSweeney's magazine?

Yeah, yeah, The Believer contacted me about, from this fan, a writer who was a fan of mine, he wanted to write this nice thing about me, and I said, okay, but only if we do it with somebody who hates me. And I want somebody who hates me to write about me. Where it's like a celebrity thing? Where you interview each other or something?

No, no, no. So the guy who was a big fan interviewed me, but I was like, as long as there's like a counterpoint, or somebody who, cause there are a lot of people who do not like me. Like they really don't, I rub them the wrong way for various reasons, which I understand. My wife,

don't care for me or my humor. And I was like, let's just juxtapose it. And there's an issue out there somewhere. I have it somewhere in my office, but it's really pretty cool. It's like a guy who does not like me, doesn't like my standup juxtapose with someone. And it's a literate, like well-spoken guy

who doesn't like your standup. Yes, yes, yes. So he has references. Good writers, good writers. Sure, sure, sure. Not just some rumbling idiot. No, and- But I didn't like him because he's small. Excuse you? I didn't like him because he's small. I'm not, what do you mean small? Well, I'm

a big boy over here. You come around here, you're doing your stuff. I don't like any of that stuff. I don't like to come from a small mouth. I would love it if that's- We'll call him Pipsqueak. if that's how he wrote the article. That was the counterpoint that you created. No, they were both writers, good writers, and I just found that more interesting than just... I want to see the high level New Yorker magazine style critic who doesn't like you with a bow tie who's like is it not time that we cross off our David Cross? Clever. Clever stuff. Yes. One wrestles with the legacy of Mr. Show. Is it tainted by what came afterwards?

This guy, the taint. Okay. I, they're, the, the, one of the, one of the, uh, things that irritates me the most is when there's an article or somebody does an interview with you and it's all about them. It's all about the writer, how clever the writer is, and reviewers do that as well, where it's like, look how clever I am. Yeah, I don't want anything more than just a summary of facts.

I want just an info box. That's the kind of writing I want done about me. Well, but also when I read something, I don't want to read the, you know, when I'm reading a review of a movie, I'm like, oh, should I see this or not? Well, once you figure out the trick of journalism, sometimes there'll be like some article

and the headline is like, the headline is like, you know, Kamala Harris doing very well in Texas. And then they'll have the delayed lead. And so I have this automatic thing now where I'm like, bullshit paragraph, bullshit paragraph on it. When you read, you can really just read two paragraphs and get the whole story.

I, this has happened with The Guardian, when they've reviewed like, I want, you know, several of the last handful of things I've done, where because of the headline, like it gets three out of five stars, right, and because of the headline I'm like, oh, they didn't like it. And then you read it and like, well, it's a good review. But if I, I would not have known that if I didn't read it.

Right. It just sounds like they were like, meh. Have you done the Edinburgh French? No. I hated it so much. That's a young man's game, man. I can't, I'm not, I would have been great earlier. It's what made me old then, because you're forced, as an American, I'm like, oh, the press is nothing.

They're not even human beings. I don't afford them human rights. But in England, they're like, or I should say in Britain, because it's in Scotland, actually, they're like, well, you've got to bow down and you've got to really care and to the journal it way yeah yeah yeah like the journalists you really have to like like submit to their interviews and they'll give you a bad review but you've got to publish it if they give you a bad review you've got to repost it and you're like they do I have

this instinct of like no I don't want to do an interview with someone before they've reviewed the thing because it's an easy jiu-jitsu move where they have you, they give you unguarded and then they go only two stars. And I'm like, you can see it coming a mile away. And they're like, no, but you've got to do that because you're American. It's a ritual. They love it. They love it.

Absolutely. It's so ritual. They love it. They love it. They love it. Absolutely. It's so wonderful to do. Yeah. And it's all there. People, somebody might be like, that's not the Scottish accent. Talking about London journalists. Yeah. London journalists coming up. Arts journalists. Also wrong accent. Well, James, thank you so much. Thank you. I'm enjoying this conversation. We can continue. It was great. I, I close every episode with a question from my daughter.

Sure. All right. She's seven, okay. Is she sending you the bing bong sound effects? Oh, no, no, no. That's just my ringtone or alert tone. That's anybody who texts me or whatever. I see. And I leave it on for the show because it's funny yeah mildly entertaining and mildly is in I it's in italics it's not really it's I less than I should do more of that kind of I

shouldn't I need a soundboard for my alerts. That's a good idea. I'm gonna, some tech savory sounds. Ah! I had to go do jury duty upstate where I'm registered and everything and I sat there and there was, they were winnowing everybody down and somebody and they said it like seven times, turn your cell phones to silent, don't bring your, you know, or sir, whoever, please.

The judge is like, once again, we'd like to make sure that everybody who's a potential panelist on this case is capable of judging impartially an aggravated murder. Yeah. Do you do an impression of me? No. Okay. All right.

Here's the question from my daughter. James Adomian, why do cheese grits stick to metal? Good question. Why do cheese grits stick to metal? Good question. Why do cheese grits stick to metal? And how old was she, nine? Seven. Seven. That's a good question for a seven-year-old advanced.

I made cheese grits and she knows that she's got to eat them pretty quickly or it starts getting congealed and she's slurring it. They are hell on earth to do the dishes afterwards. Yes, they are. But that's the right food to make. The answer is, I don't know. On a cold morning, get a big belly of cheese grits. This is Georgia.

That's true. Good food. North Georgia cheese grits. I like them a little saltier and cheesier than you would get at Waffle House, for example. Same here. I never went for the, some people do maple syrup, but I like a little hot sauce. Well, not too much.

A little bit of hot sauce and some salt and butter. Yeah. It's very good. I love grits. That's, you can't get them in LA, but I got to make it at home. But yes, cheese grits stuck to the pot. Sometimes you have to surrender and just be like, this pot has a ring of cheese grits around it now. And I'll just kind of scrub around it.

I refuse, I refuse. So you make cheese grits? Yeah, but I put the cheese in at the very end. I don't cook it with the cheese in. No, no, so do I. Okay. No, you get the grits going. And I'm talking like instant grits.

It's like school day. Right. And... Happy morning grits, you know, it's like school day. Right. And, and. Happy morning grits. You know, and then I get the grits going and the very, very end is when you add the cheese and you get, mix it up and then you serve it immediately. And as soon as it's cool enough to eat, you like.

You have it with an egg? I, not for her. I have it with a fried egg. Oh, I love, I'll let you. Yummy, yummy. I'll put a crumbled bacon in there or breakfast sausage. This is a good dad. I go with a fried egg. Oh, I love all that you got a crumble bacon in there more breakfast sausage This is a good dad Jimmy Dean Jimmy Dean sausage Jimmy Dean. He made the switch from Ok country musician to like yeah, he found his primo sausage guy. Yeah to

killing and grinding pigs up big John Alright, I don't have an answer for why. All I know is just embrace that the cheese crits stick to the side of the metal. Okay. Thank you, David. You're welcome. Thank you.

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