SERIALously - 183: Wade Wilson: Tattoo Faced Killer Innocent? New BOMBSHELL Jail Calls Released!

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, it's your girl Annie and I have got such exciting news to share with you. I am officially going on tour. That's right, Serialistly with Annie Elise is hitting the road and coming to you live in a city near you. We have got so many amazing stops lined up. We are going to be hitting San Diego, California, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Colorado, Brea, California. Such an incredible show with brand new exclusive cases, Q&A's, it is gonna be so so good. But tickets are limited. All of the details are at AnnieElyse.com. Just head over to the events page. So grab your bestie, grab your tickets, come see me. I can't wait to talk all things true crime with all of you guys and I will see you on the stage.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Hey true crime Besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly with me, Annie Elise. Now by now, you've probably all heard about the Wade Wilson case. It is everywhere. It's all over social media, especially TikTok, Instagram. I'm sure at some point you've come across something related to the case in your feed. He is the man who has his whole face tattooed. And I did a full deep dive into this case a few weeks back.
Starting point is 00:01:31 So if you aren't fully familiar with the case, you definitely should go watch that to get all of the details. But we have some updates today. We have some updates in the case as well as some jail phone calls that have been released and Wade himself now saying, he's innocent.
Starting point is 00:01:47 He didn't kill these two women. He wants a new trial. He says his defense was horrific and handled very poorly. He wants new counsel and he's sharing his version of what really happened according to him. So we are gonna go through everything and then you can be the judge if you believe that Wade Wilson is in fact guilty of double murder or if you think that he is innocent.
Starting point is 00:02:09 So to give a quick recap, Wade Wilson was found guilty on June 12th for murdering two women from Cape Coral, Florida, 35-year-old Christine Melton and 43-year-old Diane Ruiz. Now the murders occurred just within hours of each other. So we are going to go back and revisit those tragic days and give a quick recap as to what happened and then we will move into these new updates. On October 6th, 2019, Wade went to a bar in Fort Myers, Florida called Boota Live. He was at this bar with his girlfriend, Melissa Montanez, who also goes by Mila. Now, while at the bar, Wade met another guy that night, Jason Shepherd.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Wade kept asking his girlfriend Mila to go to Jason's house with him, but she said that she didn't want to go because she didn't know or trust Jason. So the two of them got into a bit of an argument, and then they ended up parting ways. When they did, Wade met Christine Melton at this bar. He also met Christine's best friend Stephanie Johnson. Wade introduced himself as JR to these two women, and the women thought that he was very friendly. So later that night, Wade and the two women went over to Jason Shepard's house, the other guy that he had met at that bar. Now, what's interesting is Wade actually took his girlfriend Mila's car from the bar and left her behind at the bar. He couldn't drive her car because
Starting point is 00:03:23 it's a stick shift, so Jason drove them all back to his place. Once they got there, they drank, they did drugs, they partied, and Wade and Christine ended up having sex. After they were done partying, Wade was going to drive Stephanie and Christine home in Mila's car, but again, it was a stick shift and Wade didn't know how to drive it. So instead, they called an Uber and they went to Christine's apartment. Eventually, though, Stephanie had to go home and she left Christine and Wade alone. Now, there is, again, much more context to the events that occurred that night, but that is all in my deep dive episode, so you can definitely circle back, watch that, or pause this and watch that. I will link it in the show notes. I'm just trying to give more of a high level recap.
Starting point is 00:04:02 So after Stephanie left, leaving Christine and Wade behind alone, Wade then strangled Christine as she slept. Then when he was ready to leave, he stole Christine's car. After this, at some point, Mila and Wade got back into contact and she wanted to get her keys from him because he still had her car keys, so they had agreed to meet up at Mila's spa.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Once Wade arrived, however, an argument quickly ensued that got very physical and very violent, so much so that he ended up punching Mila. Then he sped off and left, in Christine's car, the one he had stolen. A little while later, Wade saw 43-year-old Diane Ruiz walking down the street in Cape Coral. He stopped her, asked her for directions, and then eventually convinced her to get into his car. That's when Wade attacked Diane, beat, and strangled her. Then he threw her onto the road and ran her over multiple times. When Christine's body was eventually found in her apartment, Stephanie told the investigators
Starting point is 00:04:57 about the previous evening, who she was with, who they met, all of the details. So the police tried to contact Wade, but eventually they ended up getting in touch with Wade's biological father, Steven, instead. And he told the detectives that Wade had contacted him earlier in the day, and Wade told him that he did something really bad, although he did not give specifics. Later that night, though, Wade called Steven again and this time, he confessed to everything he had done. So Wade was arrested and he was eventually charged with both murders. He also received a couple of battery charges for his attack on Mila. He was held without bond. However, things got really weird and interesting when he was in jail.
Starting point is 00:05:37 He said that he was involved in an organization that traffics drugs and people. He claimed that the organization had framed him for these murders, but that wasn't until after he had already confessed to these murders to multiple different people. So what was the truth? Was he truly framed? Was he threatened into confessing to this or were his earlier accounts of admitting to the murder more accurate? So Wade's trial began in June of 2024, and he had a bunch of charges, including first-degree murder. The prosecution was seeking the death penalty. Wade's defense team tried to convince the jury that the murders were the result of years of drug abuse, head injuries,
Starting point is 00:06:15 and untreated mental health issues. However, ultimately, the jury found Wade guilty on all charges, and they ended up voting that Wade should be sentenced to death. Now again, there are so many more details to this case that you can hear about in that full deep dive video. The trial was a huge spectacle. There have been edits made all over the place depicting him walking into the courtroom. Many have suggested that he does not show an ounce of remorse in this trial whatsoever. His girlfriend at the time, Mila, also testified against him with what happened when they got into the physical altercation. So there are definitely a lot more details. But in any event, Wade's official sentencing is later this month, August 27th. And between the end of Wade's trial and now, even more information has come to light. Like I said, Wade confessed to the
Starting point is 00:07:01 murders to multiple different people. And in a phone call between him and his father, Wade fully admitted to what he did. until that happened and then I got back. It looked good. It was a good though. Did you stab that first girl? Did I stab her? No. Well... You choked her? Yeah, I just choked her, yeah. That's it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Now is, they've gone back and they've pulled your whole record. So they see the rape in Tallahassee, they see the shit in Palm Beach, they see all of it. It looks horrible. I mean, honestly, you're looking at it on paper? Yeah. It looks horrible. There's so many looking at it on paper, it looks horrible. There's so many fucking charges, you know, domestic violence, you know, it looks bad. So, why are you so mad with women? I don't know because, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:58 You gotta work that out son. Is it your biological mom? You feel like she abandoned you? No, I don't think it's anything to do with it. I think it's like a power thing or something. I don't know. I do too, and that's what I think. I think it's a control thing. Yeah, it is. You know? I think it's a control thing. And you know what? You just admitting that is a big step. Yeah. Because at least you can own that a little bit. But here's my thing, Wade. What are you going to take to trial, son?
Starting point is 00:08:26 I mean, what did you tell them you detected last night? What did you tell them? Everything. And they talked to you. You told them the truth? Yes. Yeah. He also talked to his ex-girlfriend, Mila,
Starting point is 00:08:36 a bunch of times while he was in jail. And again, in these calls, Wade confessed to what he did. And he even talked about how he was going to die. They're dead. They're dead because of you. I know. Wade confessed to what he did. And he even talked about how he was going to suffer forever in jail, you know that. I'm going to suffer. Trust me, I've already been suffering. They put me in a fucking room and all I do is stare at the wall all day long, Mila. It's terrible.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Is that important? That's what they have to do to people that kill people. You're not safe to be around people. Yeah. Well, Mila's caused all this trouble. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don why they have to do it with people that kill people. You're not safe to be around people. Yeah. Well, they...
Starting point is 00:09:28 Neela spaws all over the place because of what happened outside. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, because of that? Yeah. Yeah. Did you kill her and then come try to kill me and then go try to kill the other girl? No.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And did you come back to Joe and tell him you didn't do it? I tried to come see you to tell you what I had done. Yeah, but did you kill the second girl at that point? No, I think I killed her later. You think? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. I killed her after I saw you. Why did you do that? These are like the only things that people remember when they kill somebody. I killed her after I saw you. Why? Why couldn't you just rob her? Why did you have to kill her? I'm sorry. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Why? I kind of want to know why. What was going through your head? I heard that you told her out, she didn't die, she got up and ran and ran her over the car is that how it went? yeah it is she didn't she didn't get up and run she didn't get up and run that's not true I took her out pushed her out of the car and then I ran her over with the car how did you get her in the car she got in by herself so she got in the car by herself and you took her out in the car, you took her out of the car and then you ran her over. Yeah, like ten times. Do you not hear yourself?
Starting point is 00:10:52 Yes, Neela, I do. I hear myself. Does that sound like something that you want to be saying out loud? Can you believe that you've done this? No, I can't. I really can't. I was on drugs, dude. I really can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:11:05 You know? There's a lot of people on drugs that don't go around telling people. You're right. You're right. There is. You're right, Mila. And I'm wrong. You're right. You're right. Wait, this is not normal, man. OK, Mila, I get it.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Baby. Mila. Mila. Mila. What? I'm here. What? Don't what me. I'm here too. Don't what me baby. Okay? I don't have to say to you. This is just like a nightmare movie or some shit. How do you think I feel? Even worse. Trust me. I'm in the nightmare part. At least you're still fucking... You're halfway in but you're halfway out. I didn't do anything, Wade. You're the one responsible. I didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:11:47 I understand that. I know you didn't do anything. I never said, who said you did anything? I didn't say that. You're saying, how do you think? I feel I've done nothing wrong. You are responsible for this. I know. I know, baby. You, you had everything. We had everything. Why did you have to go and do this? I didn't have to. I shouldn't have. I fucking should not have. Why did you kill the first girl? I want to know why. What we... Why did you kill her? I want to know why.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Because I wanted to. Why did you want to kill her? I just wanted to. I just wanted to. More than I want to. Honestly, can I tell you what happened? That dude that gave me the drugs, do you know what he gave me? What? Meth.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Okay, well we know you don't do good on meth, but what made you kill that girl? I was angry. I got on meth and I got really fucking crazy. You know that. Why were you angry with her? I don't know. I don't think I was angry with her. I think I just took it out on her. You keep saying you were like in a relationship with her. I think I just took it out on her. You keep saying you were like in a relationship with her. Did you know this girl before? Baby, I'm in a relationship with what the fuck? Mila, you can't listen to the stories they're talking about. They're going to tell you tons of stories about me and it doesn't mean they're true.
Starting point is 00:12:58 No, Mila, I had never met her, ever. You just met her at the building? Baby, I don't know who she was. I didn't even know her name. But why didn't you stab her? I didn't stab her. You didn't stab her, you took her out. Why didn't you say you stabbed her?
Starting point is 00:13:14 I heard that too. Somebody in my dad, I think somebody told me that too, they asked me if I had stabbed her or whatever. Well, Josh said that you had blood all over you. Oh, all over my hands and stuff like that. I don't know, he just said he had blood all over you. No, I didn't have blood all over you. Oh, on my hands and stuff like that. I don't know, he just said he had blood all over you. No, I didn't have blood all over me. And when you got out to attack me, she said he had more wounds all over you.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Was she putting up a fight or what? No, she didn't put up a fight, no. She just said she had it? I had wounds on my hands because I had jumped over some fences and there was like cuts in my hands from the fence. So, um, so do you remember the cut that I had on my hands from working out on the asphalt? Remember? Um, well those cuts were like, they were exposed and they got reopened. So they were like, those were bleeding too. Why didn't you choke this girl out? I need answers. I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Okay. I want to, okay. I choked her out because I was on, I don't understand. Okay. I want to okay. I choked her out because I was on I was on this and She like it made me fucking She was with a guy right Where was the guy when you're choking around he left and You were just there with her and you just decided to kill her. Yeah That would have been had I been there. No it wouldn't have been Mila. You gotta stop saying that.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I love you. I would never have fucking done that to you ever. I never even would have thought about it. And I didn't. And I didn't even, first of all when I came to see you at the spot I didn't even want to jump on top of you. I was just so freaked out about what I had just done. You sent my dress off.
Starting point is 00:14:46 You were trying to fork me into your car. Do you not remember any of this? I remember. I remember. I remember. I remember. I remember. Mila, I had just killed somebody.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I was trying to tell you that. And you weren't allowing me to, you know? So that was kind of like... What did you want me to do? I'm not going to help you hide a fucking body, dude didn't I know that dude I know that Mila I just wanted to be able to tell you I was it I just wanted to tell you and you wouldn't let me you wouldn't let me tell you or nothing you know that's all I was driving around in her car using her phone I know I know Mila I know. I know that. I know Milla. I lost it. I was on drugs and I lost it. I did stupid things.
Starting point is 00:15:27 And you can still love me baby. Yes you can. If you want to. Don't tell me. Unless you just want to stop loving me because of what I did. You're a psychopath. But then you never loved me to begin with. If you stop loving me. I didn't know you were a killer. I didn't know you could kill somebody. You knew I was a killer. Stop it. Did't know you were a killer. I didn't know you could kill somebody. You knew I was a killer. Stop it. I did not know you were a killer. You thought all the stories. You thought when I told you I'm a killer, I was lying. Yeah, I did actually. Well, I wasn't lying. You can't do this shit, man. Listen, you're going to be a electrician or some shit. Oh, I think they're going to give me the needle. You think so? Yeah, I want them to. I want them to.
Starting point is 00:16:06 You want to die that way, lethal injection? Yeah. Are you crazy? Baby, why would I want to live the rest of my life in prison, especially if I'm not gonna have you? You just talked about this right before you went back. Why would I want to live the rest of my life in prison if I don't have you? Nila, you're my everything. You know that. What? Why would I? Because I fucking love you so fucking much, Neela.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Why would you not? Do you not see what you're putting me through? Yes, baby, I'm sorry. I do see. Why would you not wait on me, Neela? Baby. Forever? You want me to like die waiting for you while you're in jail?
Starting point is 00:16:33 No. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you.
Starting point is 00:16:41 I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna wait for you. I'm not gonna I do see why would you not wait on me? Nila? Baby forever you want me to like die waiting for you while you're in jail? No I'm afraid of you like what if you stop and kill me one day? How am I gonna kill you I'm gonna be in jail Well, not now
Starting point is 00:17:00 Okay, so this is really hard for me to handle. It's all just so weird. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry baby. I'm so so sorry. I know it feels weird, Nina. I'm so so sorry baby. I'm sorry baby, okay? We had everything going for us. Everything. The best. Everything was so great. Again. You were just out five days. I was only out for five days? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Yeah. Well, that didn't last long at all. I just wish, I don't know, things were different. I know. Me too. Well, there's nothing that can be done now. Well, can I tell you something? My dad is going to try to get me give me he's gonna give me a lawyer
Starting point is 00:17:45 he said and um why he's the one to him I know I know he is I know he is but maybe if I get a lawyer and they can send me to your dad and he was so happy huh he was so happy he said it's not that hard way to be you have one minute remaining Your father Yeah Baby I'm sorry. I'm so so sorry. I don't know because I'm stupid Apparently stupid Mila you don't have to I don't know never mind I Mila, you don't have to... I don't know, never mind. Never mind.
Starting point is 00:18:29 I hope I don't lose you, Mila. I mean it. I really hope I don't lose you. You're the best thing in my life ever. Even before this, even after this, you're still the best thing ever. You know that. So again, multiple times admitting to what he did, also while begging Mila to still love him, despite the fact that he, according to him on his own account, just killed two women, which many believe was very, very manipulative. And in a later call, he even jokes around with Mila about when they got into that physical
Starting point is 00:18:54 altercation and when he punched her in the face. He says how she took the punch like a champ, how she's like Floyd Mayweather the way she handled it. All while she was telling him, I was bleeding. did you see how much blood was coming out of me? It does feel very manipulative. And then he tries to change his story and convince Mila that he didn't actually kill the women. Stop, I'll just- Is that okay? So I can go ahead and put-
Starting point is 00:19:19 I still have a good four hours to do the, the, the file. Can I tell you the website name and stuff and give you my number? Well, yeah, hold on. So, we're fine. Can I tell you the website name and stuff and give you my number? Well, yeah, hold on. OK, then. So, baby, they see you. You still have my body fucked up. I know.
Starting point is 00:19:32 For my part, you still fucked it up. You still fucked me up a little bit. I know. Did you not see how much blood came out of my system when you punched me? Yes, I'm sorry, baby. I was trying. I was hard for a little bit. Yes, I'm sorry baby. I was trying.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Baby, that was an intense punch. I didn't even mean... Are you trying to lock me out? I'm like, I just cannot move. I'm like, I'm trying. I'm like, thank god I have three brothers. I have three brothers that beat me up my whole life. I can take a full intense motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I'm sorry baby. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to. I'm so glad I could take a punch. Yeah, no shit dude. You took that, I'm going to tell you the truth baby. You took that punch like a fucking champion. I hate you. I know you do and I hate myself for doing that but I'll tell you what, you were like
Starting point is 00:20:18 Floyd Mayweather taking that punch baby. You were like Muhammad Ali taking that shit. But it's not OK. I had three brothers. I had to survive three brothers going out. But it's not OK that you are punching me. It was not OK. Baby, I was trying to talk to you
Starting point is 00:20:36 and tell you what happened, basically. Everybody thinks that by the time, because nobody really saw you punching. They just heard it. Everybody thinks. I know. For some reason when I did it, everybody was looking the other way. Yeah. In fact, everybody goes, wow.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And then they saw the floor. And then they go, wow. Like, they're not. Hold on, baby. Baby, write this down real quick. Will you write this down? Yes, I'm writing stuff down right now. Okay. What? All right, I just, I'm writing stuff down right now.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Okay. What? All right, it's connectnetwork.com. That's the website. Network. I'm writing this down. Network. Wait, baby, can I ask you a question?
Starting point is 00:21:19 What? Is there money on your card already? No, there's nothing. I still have zero dollars. OK, OK, OK. So do you think you'll be able to do it before 12? Honestly? You're going to have 50 bucks in there before 11.
Starting point is 00:21:34 I promise you. OK, OK, cool, cool. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, baby. Hey, listen, I got to tell you something. Me and you got to be on the same page about something, OK? What? Listen, I did not.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I did not have those girls. I did not f*** those girls. I don't care what they say, you know? But listen, I think that, now listen. Yes you did. You love f***ing people, you motherf***ers. Listen, baby, I was gonna take to see your f***ing- You love f***ing people, you motherf***ers. That's hard.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Baby, we gotta be careful. We gotta be careful from this point on. We gotta watch out what we say, because- Because, just because you say that, they're going to take that seriously. And listen, can I tell you something? I want to let you know that they're going to be listening to my phone calls for sure.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Well, now they will, yeah. Maybe they'll just flip it now. No, they're going to. Like last time, no. But this time, yes, baby, for sure. OK? Then you better flex your X-ray and stop talking. You should not have told me everything that you have.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Baby, everything, no, it's okay. Nothing's been, listen, they know that I was on drugs and they know what happened. So, you know what I mean? In 70, you were insane. I was insane. You were insane. And I'm going to have to be, can I tell you something? Oh, listen, do me a favor.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Text my dad real quick for me. Okay, well, hold on, let me go out and text. Okay. I'm like a fly where you used to be. I know I should. I could be holding you. We could be watching Netflix. We could be Netflixing and chilling right now.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Yeah, never just chill. You're a big dick. My big dick would be hitting you right now. So as I'm sure you can imagine after hearing these calls, a lot of people are discussing the phone calls. A lot of people feel like these are gaslighting tactics, manipulation tactics, while a lot of others are questioning why Mila would even be having these phone calls with him, talking to him, humoring him at all when he literally punched her and assaulted her.
Starting point is 00:23:27 And in these calls, there is a point when the calls shift and they change a little bit. Mila starts calling Wade daddy, almost acting like they were still in a relationship. It is summertime, which I love because it means like barbecue time, grilling time, hot dogs, burgers, steaks, whatever it is you choose. I personally love a good hot dog.
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Starting point is 00:26:35 I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to take care of you. Thank you baby. Were you able to put the money on there? No, but I used the money. I used the money. I used the money. I used the money.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I used the money. I used the money. I used the money. I used I'm gonna take care of you. I'm gonna take care of you. Thank you baby. Were you able to put the money on there? No, but I am, I've made a decision. I'm gonna take care of you. Thank you baby. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:26:55 I may never see you again, but I will take care of you. Are you gonna be able to put the money on tonight? Yes. I am, well, I just ordered some a little bit of like snow. Right, right, right. I'm working on that. But I still have $160. Baby, why did you not walk to the jail
Starting point is 00:27:20 and put the money on? Because I had to order some snow. Like, snow was falling. I had to make it happen. So can was funny. I had to like make it happen. So can that person that you ordered for not give you a ride to the jail? No, no I don't trust them. I've got to walk and trust them. Baby I don't think you're gonna be able to hold on hold on. Hey babe does the jail close at any time like the doors? Hey, babe, does the jail close at any time like the doors? Does that kiosk where she puts money on close at any time?
Starting point is 00:27:50 Guess who's calling me right now? At what? Guess who's calling me right now? What baby? This is weird motherfucker. What happened? Guess who's calling me right now? Who? Billy!
Starting point is 00:28:08 Baby, that doesn't make me happy. No, it doesn't! What's to make you happy? Like, I think this is like national news or something. He hasn't reached out to me in forever. Baby, you told me that you blocked his phone number. I did!
Starting point is 00:28:24 I did! I don't know how he got it. He hasn't reached out to me in forever. Baby, you told me that you blocked his phone number. I did. I did. I don't know how he got it. Baby, can you, baby, can you, baby, can you please walk to the jail? Yes. Will you? I have you, 100%. I will take care of you. Don't worry. Well, no, baby, I know you're gonna take him or whatever. Baby, that machine that you put the money on, it closes at like 12.
Starting point is 00:28:45 You gotta get there before 12 and it's 9 something right now. It's 929, motherfucker. Baby, please, please, please. Walk there now, please. I'll walk there now. I'll talk to you while you walk. And I have to call my dad at some point too because I keep trying to call him because he messaged me on the kiosk and he said, call me.
Starting point is 00:29:04 It's very important Why do you have to do this? You were out? I know baby. I know I was free Please try to explain it to me. Listen, I'll explain. Are you walking right now? If I walk will you talk to me? Yeah Will you walk so you can? My phone is actually on like 0%. Just give it two seconds. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:29:31 All right. OK. Gabby, talk to me. I am, baby. I just want to make, well, baby. Did you make it, girl? Huh? You put your dick in them, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:29:42 No, I didn't, baby. No, I didn't. Actually, I really did not. You did not put your dick in them, didn't you? No, I didn't, baby. No, I didn't. Actually, I really did not. You did not put your dick in both of those girls? Neither one. Neither one. You just f***ed them because the news is that you f***ed them. Yeah, well, the news is just saying that because of,
Starting point is 00:29:57 remember, me and you have already talked about, like, my past, whatever. The news is saying that because of that, probably. Well, because Ellie. Kelly's like, just like you. Well, really, because really Kelly. Yeah, you're right. That is that is actually why. I swear to God, like if I can hear you the messages. Hey, wait, baby, can you do me a favor, baby? Here's what we're gonna do. I need you to three way call my dad. So because he has something important to tell me and then you can hear what he has to say too. Alright, hold on.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Baby, you promise you're gonna make it to the jail? I'm gonna fucking take care of you motherfucker. Alright baby. I'm gonna take care of you. Do I need to tell my dad to call and get you an Uber to the jail? No, no. I walk. Baby, I'd rather just get you a ride. I can get you a ride there and back. So many people thought that it was super weird knowing that Mila was talking to Wade like that
Starting point is 00:31:07 when he was in jail, especially since she then went on to say this at the trial. And when you would not agree to get in the car, how did he act? Aggressive, tried to pull me in the car physically and I resisted, got plank style so that he could not grab me into the vehicle. When you say you got plank style, could you just show the jurors what you meant? What do you mean by that?
Starting point is 00:31:32 And I was being pulled into the car by my dress. So for the record you just stood up and put your hands straight above your head? Yes, so that I was not being able to be budged into the vehicle. And you said he's pulling at your dress. Can you describe in more detail how he's pulling at your dress? He's pulling dress, probably a little hair, everything. And then the dress starts to rip off of my body. And what happens after that?
Starting point is 00:31:59 Once he realizes that the threads were becoming... I was getting away from him and he was still holding on to the dress. He opens the car door, obviously forgets to put in park. The car starts to roll forward. He tackles to me to the ground. The car grazes both of our legs
Starting point is 00:32:20 and I'm pummeled to the ground. How hard did he push you to the ground? I'm sorry I don't recall. It was this is also fast and he's very heavy and I'm I'm 5'2 he's 6'6 so. Now what happens after you are pushed to the ground? I start to get beat. Describe what you mean when you say he was beating you. It all went so fast and so slow. Whether it be punches, slapping, choking, that kind of nature. Yes. We know that in a lot of domestic dispute relationships and toxic relationships,
Starting point is 00:32:57 it is unhealthy and that it can be difficult to leave, call it brainwash, Stockholm syndrome, whatever it is. But we know that it can be difficult for somebody to see the light. So it is definitely possible that Mila didn't realize the gravity of the situation or the danger of the situation until she was so far removed for quite some time and then went and testified against him. But in my opinion, it's also clear that there was a level of manipulation going on in some of these calls. It's a little bit difficult to swallow hearing the recording side by side. Now in one of these calls that also was a level of manipulation going on in some of these calls. It's a little bit difficult to swallow hearing the recording side by side.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Now in one of these calls that also was released, it's a phone call with Wade and his father. And his father ends up telling Wade, Mila has been setting you up. She had you on speakerphone when she was talking to you and the media was there. And these phone calls are all over the news at this point. Everybody knows what's going on. Almost as though Mila had been setting him up the whole time. Although other calls that have been released suggest that maybe that isn't the case.
Starting point is 00:33:51 So form your own conclusions. Hey, Dad. Hey, buddy. God damn, it finally worked, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it worked. I don't know, I mean, I don't know what the fuck happened. It went right through this time. Listen, I'm just gonna cut to the chase with this because it's pissing me off really bad
Starting point is 00:34:09 Well, I don't know what and and I was about to go I was about to go off on that call with Mila So, you know, I would rather talk to you privately first. So I'm trying to understand something Yeah, where are you and her at right now? Oh I'm trying to understand something. Yeah. Where are you and her at right now? Oh, she said, she said, where are you? Where are y'all at?
Starting point is 00:34:29 She said she's not gonna leave me. Okay. Well, let me tell you the truth. Do you know anything about media or anything with her? No, what happened? Okay. So, yesterday when you called, she set your fucking ass up. She had a news reporter there and had you on speakerphone dude and the news reporter heard you telling her you're the best. They got it all over the TV.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Okay, I'm getting ready to play it for you. My wife's sitting here and she's got the story where, where Mila calls you a fucking monster where she says you're a psychopath and she's your ex and you were going to kill her and they played that they played, they recorded your conversation with her where you're saying, you know, don't leave me. You're the best thing ever. You know that, right? And then she's like, I'm so confused. So she's playing you right now because she's got the goddamn media there. Now, I'm going to play it for you.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I want you to listen to this. This is your fucking girl on fucking TV, OK? But the calls aren't even half of the story. A letter was recently released that Wade wrote this past May. He claimed that his lawyers were incompetent and that they failed to represent him accurately. And I will say I did watch this trial and his defense team was not the best. They didn't call many witnesses. They didn't really have a strong point of view.
Starting point is 00:36:04 And specifically, Wade said that his lawyers also didn't provide many witnesses, they didn't really have a strong point of view, and specifically, Wade said that his lawyers also didn't provide him with the audio and the video files from his case discovery, such as his recorded calls. Also, that his lawyers didn't consult him about his trial date and that they failed to complete multiple investigative pursuits that could have supported his case. Now, regardless what the public opinion is on a perpetrator, a killer, a suspect, an inmate, everybody is entitled to a good defense. I think that we can all agree on that. And during the trial, there were a lot of indications that he did not really get
Starting point is 00:36:35 a great defense. So now, in addition to saying that his counsel was ineffective, Wade has also come out with a new story about what really happened in October of 2019, according to him. Like I said earlier, he did say that this organization that he worked with framed him for these murders. But now he has come out with more and more details about this organization. According to him, the only reason he didn't share these details earlier was because he didn't trust his legal team to represent him properly. Almost as though if he shared these details, perhaps there would be retaliation against him from the organization or something to that effect. Now, Wade has a very large group of supporters, which I will get into and touch more on in a second here. But the following video was
Starting point is 00:37:18 posted in one of these support groups. The person reading Wade's story is somebody who claims to be his very close friend. Take a listen. Hi everyone, this is Wade. For too long, I have remained silent, hoping that the justice system will uncover the truth on its own. However, it is clear that I must now take matters into my own hands and reveal my side of the story. From the very beginning, I have maintained my innocence.
Starting point is 00:37:54 I cooperated fully with the investigation, believing that the truth would prevail, but the system failed me. Evidence was in this handle. Witnesses were intimidated, and my voice was drowned out by the overwhelming pressure upon the scapegoat. I became that scapegoat, the convenient target to satisfy the demand for justice. I share this story with you now because I believe in the power of truth and the strength of your support. Together we can shine a light on the corruption and flaws within the system that led to this miscarriage of justice.
Starting point is 00:38:46 I ask you to continue fighting for my exoneration, to demand a thorough reinvestigation of the case, and to stand by my side as we seek the justice that has been denied for too long. Thank you for believing in me and for your unwavering commitment to the truth. Your support gives me so much hope to endure, knowing that one day the truth will set me free. I love you all, and thank you for joining this live. Wade initially started working for the organization around February of 2019 and he worked with them for about eight months until his arrest.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Initially he was brought in as a security detail because of his size people are naturally intimidated by him but didn't ask many questions about the job because he needed one and they were offering. He moved to the Florida Keys to work at a resort and he lived on a three-story yacht that was part of the resort. Everything initially started out okay, but about two days after he moved to the resort, that's when the main boss, Eric James Brown, asked Wade to be part of his first meeting as another gentleman would be coming in and he needed to talk business.
Starting point is 00:40:09 At this meeting is where Wade truly understood his role and why he was asked to be part of the business, again, to be security and intimidating due to his size. And he understood that the business had to deal with guns and drug trafficking. Wade made a comment that the gentleman at the meeting stated that they would make sure there was enough ICE in the ICE machines. Ultimately ICE is referring to meth. Wade then started to learn about the chain of command. Tommy Williams was second in command and the main drug runner. Wade then met Josh Mateo-Lukash through Eric at the resort at a party they were hosting.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Over time, Wade ended up becoming the second in command and this upset Tommy because ultimately it kicked him out of his position. Wade continued to learn more about the organization as he got closer with Eric. He learned that a majority of the drugs were from Costa Rica because Eric lived there for one to two years in a penthouse. He also learned that there was a private airport nearby in Marathon, Florida, only about 15 minutes away from the resort. They also had multiple cigarette boats at the resort. The yacht Wade lived on. And later on, Eric purchased a two-person plane that could take off from the water.
Starting point is 00:41:33 They utilized these forms of transportation to get the guns and drugs transported from Costa Rica, Jamaica, islands in the Bahamas, even more places back to Florida. And if you see it, it's only gonna be a couple hour boat ride from the Florida Keys to Costa Rica. The organization controlled the entire Keys. All of the drugs and guns coming in and out
Starting point is 00:41:56 had power and control over many people who lived in what they call the trailers in the Keys. And they continued to expand through Florida and other states. Wade realized that Eric started bringing in girls from all over who were on their payroll. Started with strippers from Miami and the Keys and then he started seeing women being transported in from Brazil, Australia, Costa Rica, Aruba and other exotic countries. Wade started to put the pieces together to realize that
Starting point is 00:42:25 they were dealing in human trafficking as well. Before he was officially introduced to the human trafficking side, he was required to meet Eric's mother, Sandra Stilwell-Youngquist, who was truly the main boss of the organization. She came down to the resort in Conqukey and interviewed Wade to make sure he was legitimate and was ready to be fully involved in their business. When he realized they were involved in human trafficking, Wade became less interested in being in the organization. He said he could deal with the drugs and guns, but he didn't like the human trafficking
Starting point is 00:43:01 portion of it. Eric then told Wade he needed him to go to Fort Myers to look after the girls in the spa there as security. Tommy came with him to Fort Myers and Wade stayed at Josh Mateo's condo at the time in the area. Eric told Wade to not get involved with any of the girls at the spa including Neela because Neela and Tommy used to date. All of the girls at the spa are licensed so it looks legit, but it's ultimately covering up the illegal operations. Wade started getting into the motions
Starting point is 00:43:32 of the business and operations and was still mainly used as security for the girls. Wade even mentioned that they would make home or hotel visits, and he would go with the girls to drive them to make sure they would be okay. They would even bring massage tables and items so it kept up the idea that the business was legitimate. While he was in Fort Myers, all of the guns and drugs were kept at Josh Mateo's warehouse that he used for his graphic design company,
Starting point is 00:44:00 Mateo Graphics. Josh had a Cuban friend who kept his large trucks on his property. They would utilize those trucks to load the guns and drugs on and then cover it with debris to make it not look quite as sketchy. The organization had some dirty cops in the Cape Coral Police Department, which is the same police department that assisted in the first attempted arrest of Wade and accused him of the murders and were also part of his investigation and trial. Shortly after he arrived in Fort Myers, Wade started dating Mila. A few months later, they started talking about leaving the organization and moving to Hawaii.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Now they chose Hawaii because Mila previously dated a professional surfer there, lived in Hawaii, and was a prostitute there. Eric, Tommy, and Josh caught wind that they were planning to leave and take the rest of the girls with them. This means the spa in Fort Myers would be shut down, which affects their operations.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Now, two days before the murders, Mila and Wade were at the spa late at night. They heard a knocking on the glass window and Tommy was standing there with a man named Chris Brown, who was a very big bouncer and security guy for the organization. Tommy tried to get Wade to go outside and talk with him and Wade said he would only speak to Tommy if Chris went back to the car. Once Chris went back to the car, Wade went outside and that's when Tommy told him that they were aware of what he was up to
Starting point is 00:45:36 and threatened that if he tried to leave, they would kill him. Tommy ended up leaving shortly after that. That next day, Wade went to the Buddha with Mila, where they met a doctor from Georgia who was interested in finding a girl to have sex with. Wade offered Mila up and said the doctor paid to sleep with her. Mila then went home with the doctor and did not go to a friend's house as she said. Wade had Mila's car because she went home with the doctor, he didn't ultimately steal
Starting point is 00:46:11 the car. Wade met Christine that evening and they went to Jason Shepard's house after they left the Buddha, which they had just met Jason that night. Mila's Hellcat ran out of gas and ultimately it stayed parked at Jason's house while Wade and Christine ubered back to her place. Wade stayed at Christine's place until about 5 a.m. maybe a little bit later. He said it was around the time the Sun was rising in October. He then left because he had to go to Josh's warehouse to get drugs to do a run. He used Christine's car to go to the warehouse because again the Hellcat was still at Jason's house without gas.
Starting point is 00:46:56 When he arrived at the warehouse, Wade was met by Josh and another man he did not know. They said they needed to talk to him and told him to sit down. They then told Wade that they knew he wanted to leave the organization, but that wasn't going to be an option. Josh told Wade at that time that they were murdering both Christine and Diane and that he would be expected to take the blame for it. They told Wade exactly how both murders would be done. In this way, Wade wouldn't be able to leave and would be in prison instead. They threatened him. It wasn't at gunpoint, but Wade knew guns were easily accessible since they were at the warehouse, that if he did not take the blame, they would harm his loved ones. They then forced Wade to make phone
Starting point is 00:47:46 calls utilizing a device that would reroute through the victims phones. That's why there's evidence that Wade used their phones to call his biological father and Mila. Wade first called his biological dad and purposely called him over his adopted parents because he didn't want to involve them. He told him he did something bad that he cannot take back. He was very vague with his initial conversation with his dad. He then called Mila again, still utilizing that device which rerouted the call through the victim's phones to tell her the same thing. Once the calls were done, Josh told Wade that he was going to call the police to have them come and arrest him. The first responding officer
Starting point is 00:48:32 was Sergeant Angela Fleming, who was a longtime friend of Mila's. Angela Fleming is also related to Miguel Fleming, who was one of the detectives on Wade's case for the Cape Coral Police Department and was in the Navy with Mila. Josh called the cops and then left. While Wade was waiting for the cops to arrive so that he could take the fall, he had a change of heart. Wade got an opportunity to escape through the back door of the warehouse. He ran out the door and hid in the bushes and trees behind the warehouse for a while. Once the cops left, Wade found a house across the street that seemed abandoned that he was able to break in through the back window. He said he stayed in that house for a few hours mid-afternoon until
Starting point is 00:49:20 later that night while he figured out his next steps. He needed a place to be safe and think about what he could do. Later that night he called his biological dad and he told him he did something bad and needed help. He then gave him more information about the murders because Wade was ready to go to jail and realize that this was his only option to keep his loved ones safe. His biological dad said he would send him an Uber but instead called the cops which Wade knew he would. The Marshals came shortly after to arrest Wade and he was taken to jail. Two days after being in jail, Wade completed a video visitation with his biological dad where he told his dad additional
Starting point is 00:50:05 information including where Diane's body was so that it could be taken back to her family. Wade was forced into confessing as he was terrified that his loved ones would be hurt. He knew if he told his biological dad that it would get back to Eric and the entire organization showing that he upheld his side of the deal. Four days after being in jail, Wade then confessed to the detectives for the murder. Still concerned about his family's safety and was hoping that this would get into the news, so again, Eric and the organization would see that he upheld his side of the deal.
Starting point is 00:50:44 After eight days in jail, it had still not broken on the news. Wade then took measures into his own hands and called Mila because he knew she would be working with the reporters. He confesses to the murders because he knew Mila would tell the reporters and it would get attention from media. Again, this would draw attention so
Starting point is 00:51:04 that Wade could ensure that it got back to Eric and the organization that he was confessing, upholding his end of the deal so that his loved ones would be kept safe. Less than a month after Wade was incarcerated, specifically on December 3rd, 2019, Wade's adoptive parents' house in Tennessee was mysteriously burned down, and Wade knew this was Eric and the organization attempting to kill them. That's when Wade decided he needed to retract his story because he realized the organization would still try to kill his loved ones. It took him some time to come out because he was hoping to not have a public defender and wanted to do it the right way with someone who would understand and be willing to stand
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Starting point is 00:54:36 This group of supporters is primarily women. They've all been on social media defending him, advocating for him, and sharing that they truly do believe he's innocent. About the number of messages and pictures Kate Quirrell convicted murderer Wade Wilson has received inside the Lee County Jail. The Lee County Sheriff's Office says that Wade Wilson has received 3,903 messages since June 12th of this year.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I'm Fox 4 senior reporter Caitlin Knapp. And when I posted about this on social media, reactions were mixed. One person said, I feel attracted to him or love you Wade. Others started asking for his inmate number to send him letters or put money in his account. Someone said Wilson shouldn't get any more communication from the outside.
Starting point is 00:55:20 So I wanted to dig deeper about what seems to be an infatuation with Wilson for some people. I spoke with the Illinois Wesleyan University psychology professors who says that there are many reasons why this could be happening. True crime isn't a new thing, but Professor Amanda Vickery says it's really exploded in the past decade. That everything that seems to be related to preventing it from happening to us seems to really draw people to true crime, especially women. Vicaray focuses on true crime and specifically a woman's interest in killers.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Killers like Wade Wilson, who murdered Christine Melton and Diane Ruiz in 2019. Some women have this fascination with the killers themselves. Why? According to evolutionary psychology, we today are still attracted to the things that would have helped us survive back in our ancestral past. They counter gather environment. Vickery says the gatherer is meant to be a protector, the dominant figure. Who is more dominant than a killer? And so while consciously it makes no sense for a woman to be attracted to a killer, especially
Starting point is 00:56:24 who has killed other women. Our subconscious mind doesn't always make that distinction. That dominant trait is something she says women can be attracted to, but it's not just the physical looks. It's this combination of this sort of bad boy, dominant male image and this level of fame, the celebrity and the idea that if I attach myself to that,
Starting point is 00:56:43 I too could become a celebrity and famous. Vickery used Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, and Chris Watts as examples. She says in some cases though, there's no attraction or fame aspects. There could be people reaching out out of genuine, I don't know, compassion for him, some sort of religious outreach.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Beyond the psychology of Wilson's case, Vickery hopes her studies can help women in the long run. So this research can sort of help us understand why are we attracted to men who are aggressive sometimes. While all this communication may seem harmless, Vickery doesn't think it's a good idea in Wilson's case. In situations like this where the crimes are so random and graphic and I don't really feel like he's expressing remorse, I probably wouldn't recommend reaching out to him. Wade Wilson is
Starting point is 00:57:33 not the first killer to receive attention from women and he won't be the last. But what you will also see adjacent to all of these support groups and all of these videos defending him are a lot of women, some from these same groups, who think that Wade is very attractive. There are lots of edits being made, videos, memes, photos, thirst trap videos, things like that, and many people are making official Wade Wilson social media accounts where they share these videos, these thirst traps, suggesting things like he should open up an OnlyFans account, sharing edits of him walking into the courtroom with sultry music behind it, these videos, these thirst traps, suggesting things like he should open up an OnlyFans account, sharing edits of him walking into the courtroom with sultry music behind it, and some of these people even refer to themselves as Wade's sister wives or his TikTok wives.
Starting point is 00:58:15 It's almost as though there is some sort of fandom behind Wade, and we did see something very similar happen with Chris Watts when that case first broke. He had an influx of people trying to reach out to him in the jail, supporters, people who were talking about his looks, who thought he was hot, who were posting things on social media, and we don't see it super often, but it seems as though the same thing is happening again now. We saw it in older cases like Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, we saw it with Watts as I mentioned, and now we're seeing it with Wade. And I will say this.
Starting point is 00:58:47 There is a large group out there in the public that truly believes that Brian Coburger is innocent, and now there's an even larger group, larger than that group, that believes that Wade Wilson is innocent. Now, some of these accounts that have been made for him on social media have even posted recorded phone calls with Wade, where he answers questions from jail for his fans, for his supporters, almost as though he's doing a Q&A on social media like he's some sort of influencer. Hello, this is a prepaid call from... Now I'm going to read you the questions that were asked, but it's not me asking them, but I'm just going to read them out to you.
Starting point is 00:59:31 So first, before we begin, we wanted to let you know that you have a lot of support from all over the world. How does that make you feel? It makes me feel loved, you know, overwhelmed, but mostly I'm having a hard time to process it all. What tattoo is your favorite? From head to toe and all in between the tattoos and just honestly each and every one of them is just my favorite. What kind of music or artist do you like the most? Daniel, it depends on my mood and it depends on what I'm doing. But other than that, I don't have a favorite. It depends on how I feel because I'm a very emotional person.
Starting point is 01:00:13 I have a lot of feelings. And so when I get in a certain feeling place, I will correlate my music to that. So that could be like metal, that could be hip hop rap, that could be like reggae, that could be a lot of things. What makes you laugh the most? Okay, what makes me laugh the most is probably whenever I interact with people, interacting with other people and things that they say or when they laugh or a joke is made or seeing how somebody is and then we laugh about it.
Starting point is 01:00:57 So what makes me laugh the most is laughing with other people. That's how I laugh. How many messages do you get on smart inmate know, I get so many, it's advantage. And um and so I don't have enough time on through and respond to eve memory from outside the jail? So my best memory is being in the ocean and diving and swimming very deep in the ocean
Starting point is 01:01:39 with the sharks and sharks and the fish and the marine life and just swimming amongst them. That's my favorite memory. That's the stuff I like doing. That's exciting for me. What's the best gift you've ever received? The best gift that I ever received was a... I don't know. What was the best gift?
Starting point is 01:02:04 Usually I don't get a whole lot of gifts. I'm usually the one giving them. It's not free. But I think one time I got a Oyster Perpetual Rolex. That was sweet. And then last, what is something you wish people knew more about you? Something I wish they knew more about would be my love for reading. So not even of course the last five years that I've been incarcerated, but just my entire life, just literature and reading stories and it's just a love and a passion of mine.
Starting point is 01:02:45 So of course, now I read so much, you know, I love a good story, great characters, a nice setting. Now, absolutely, now more than ever, you know, of course, just putting my mind and putting myself into all different environment and setting and world and whatever inside of the book. So with Wade's sentencing coming up very, very quickly, a lot of these supporters have even written letters to the judge begging him not to sentence Wade to death, saying things like people
Starting point is 01:03:17 have done worse and lived, he's a good person, he was under the influence of drugs when he committed the crime. And I'm going to read you a couple parts of these letters that stand out to me. For some of them, I will just leave them on screen so you can pause and read them as you wish, but I am going to read a couple of excerpts for you. In one, it reads, Dear Judge Thompson, We trust this letter finds you well. We are a group of concerned citizens who observed several aspects of Mr. Wilson's trial that raised significant legal and procedural concerns.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Accordingly, we respectfully request that you reconsider the jury's decision to impose the death penalty on Mr. Wade Wilson, and instead impose a lighter sentence that reflects the possibility of recovery and rehabilitation." In this letter, there are 14 bullets as to why they believe this judge should reconsider. I will read the headline of each bullet, not necessarily what's within it, but I will read what's within it on a couple of them. The first bullet states public opinion. A recent poll showed that 57% of Floridians prefer life without parole over the death
Starting point is 01:04:21 penalty, with many unaware of the higher costs associated with capital punishment. This reflects a significant shift in public opinion against the death penalty. Maintaining a death row prisoner in Florida is much more expensive than a regular inmate, costing approximately $24 million per execution, while life imprisonment costs about $600,000 over a typical life sentence. Florida spends about $51 million annually on the death penalty, far more than life imprisonment without parole,
Starting point is 01:04:50 mirroring the national trend. Bullet number two, substance abuse during the crime. At the time of the crime, Mr. Wilson was under the influence of hard drugs, which are known to induce extreme mind-altering and violent behavior, possibly triggering a drug-related psychosis.
Starting point is 01:05:06 This condition results in delusions, hallucinations, and significant impairment in controlling actions, therefore impacting Mr. Wilson's ability to comprehend his actions during and after the crime. As he reported, he was unable to sleep for two and a half days, a common sign of psychosis. A couple of the other bullets are titled Influence of Family Testimonies, Jury Influenced by Prosecution, Prosecution's Misrepresentation of Concussion, which in this one it says, during the trial, the prosecution trivialized Mr. Wilson's head injury, stating, quote, boys bump their heads every day, end quote.
Starting point is 01:05:43 They were downplaying its impact on his mental state. Such a dismissive approach constitutes obstruction of justice, undermining the trial's fairness and integrity. There are more bullets that are under personal experience and victim of a murder case, where the author of this letter cites her personal experience not only being a victim in a case, but a mother of three children,
Starting point is 01:06:04 one who ended up having oppositional defiant disorder and how it affected him and his mood swings, how he became psychotic and how, through years of dedicated care, he ended up stabilizing at 24. So she says that she believes with appropriate treatment, Mr. Wilson could also heal from the pain that led him to seek solace in drugs
Starting point is 01:06:22 and that he deserves a chance to heal, find his higher self, and potentially find a path to redemption. In another bullet, it states, tattoos and survival in jail. Mr. Wilson's face tattoos likely resulted from the need to survive in a hostile jail environment. The prosecution's direct attack on Mr. Wilson for his tattoos was an unfair tactic to prejudice the jury against him. In another bullet which I find interesting, it's titled Reasonable Doubt. Given the complexity and gravity of this case, there remain significant unresolved questions, such as the source and composition of the drugs that Mr. Wilson was given.
Starting point is 01:06:59 These factors cast substantial doubt on the certainty of Mr. Wilson's guilt. The possibility of undiscovered exculpatory evidence warrants a more cautious approach, prioritizing a lighter sentence over the irreversible death penalty. It goes on to cite different moral and ethical considerations, and then finally, a bullet on distinguishing Mr. Wilson from mass murderers, in which it reads, Mr. Wilson's actions were influenced by drug use and brain damage, distinguishing him from mass murderers. The prosecution failed to consider
Starting point is 01:07:29 the significant circumstances influencing his actions adequately. There are more letters that bring his mental state into question, not only because of the alleged damage and suffering that he had inflicted as a child and his upbringing, things of that nature, but also that he had used meth that night and was in a meth-induced rage and that that contributed towards his actions.
Starting point is 01:07:51 So many people talking about reform in that regard. But then there's one more letter which reads, Just because he brutally murdered two individuals, he doesn't deserve the death penalty because multiple people have done much worse than Wilson and they only got life. Wilson does not deserve to die while others live. I know that you have no choice on how other states and courts decide on criminals, but you have the choice for Wilson's case. His past does not make up for what he did in 2019, but honestly, if you want to make
Starting point is 01:08:20 him suffer, life is harsher than death because with life, he will have to be in a cell until he dies, but he will constantly have to think about what he did. The death penalty will just make his time locked up shorter, and he wouldn't learn anything. Some say that killing is wrong and that the death penalty shows a lack of respect for human life. My research on an unbiased judgment in Wilson's case, he is not the worst of the worst criminals. biased judgment in Wilson's case, he is not the worst of the worst criminals. He has depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective, and other mental illnesses. His illness is not an excuse for his actions either, but they do put a reason behind them. Yes, he said that he did it because he wanted to, and he enjoyed it, but he did confess
Starting point is 01:09:00 after the crimes. That should give him some points for keeping him from death. Many criminals will kill until they either die, a victim gets away, or they get caught." Now, I will just say, it's not my belief that if somebody admits to what they did and admits to murdering people that that should give them any points. Certainly not. But maybe other people will disagree with that. Now, in addition to the letters, the social media accounts, and all of these other things, Wade's supporters have even gone as far as to create a fund-ly account for him, all so that they can raise money for him.
Starting point is 01:09:34 The description on the account states, Dear friends and supporters, we invite you to join us in supporting Mr. Wade Wilson's fight for justice and recovery. Wade's life story is one of immense struggle and resilience, and he urgently needs our help to ensure that he receives the fair treatment and care that he deserves. Wade Wilson entered the world under challenging circumstances. His biological mother's heavy drug use during pregnancy significantly impacted his brain development and overall health. Tragically, Wade has been recommended the death sentence, a decision that fails to consider his underlying brain health issues. Wade's struggles are not
Starting point is 01:10:10 solely his fault. They are a direct result of circumstances beyond his control, including prenatal drug exposure and a lack of proper mental health support. The death sentence is not only unjust, but also inhumane in Wade's case. Your donations will be used to support Wade in his legal battles to obtain a lesser sentence that allows for recovery. It is crucial that Wade is given a fair chance at life, considering his circumstances and his underlying health issues. Now, this account has raised over $50,000, and it has an overall goal of $100,000. But the comments on these donations are a bit unsettling. And whoever is running this account offers gifts in exchange for the donations.
Starting point is 01:10:53 The more that you give and the more that you donate, the bigger gift that you receive. Now I'm going to get into what these gifts are that you receive, but I want to start by saying this. As we mentioned earlier, everybody is entitled to a solid defense, regardless of the circumstances. So according to Wade, if he truly believes that he was wronged with his defense, that he deserves a new trial, that he wants to appeal, absolutely fundraise for that. Have your supporters help you fundraise for that. Have your supporters help you fundraise for that. What I do take problem with is what the donations are giving in exchange because it doesn't feel like people are being
Starting point is 01:11:31 enticed to donate because they truly believe in his innocence and the cause, but more so what they will receive from it given that this is now such a worldwide known case and that there is such a fandom craze around it. So let me get into what you get for your donations. For a $10 to $50 donation, a story will be uploaded on Wade's official TikTok and Instagram, plus you will receive a raffle entry to speak with Wade. If you donate $50 to $100, a thank you message from Wade through an e-message will be received, plus a raffle entry to speak with Wade. $100 to $200, you will receive a thank you recording from Wade, plus a raffle entry to
Starting point is 01:12:13 speak with Wade. $200 to $500, you will receive a personalized thank you recording from Wade, plus a raffle entry to speak with Wade. $500 to $1,000 donated, you will receive a thank you phone call from Wade. $1,000 or more donated, you will receive a phone call from Wade, plus a piece of Wade's clothing that he wore to trial.
Starting point is 01:12:38 And in parentheses with that, it says, while supplies lasts. Now to clarify, that raffle, there's a disclaimer on this that says, the raffle will be completed once per week. The phone call from Wade includes one 15-minute phone call. Recipient on the phone call must pay for the phone call and rates may vary depending on your location.
Starting point is 01:12:59 We see inmates, convicted felons, all sorts of things all of the time fundraised for new legal representation. Regardless what somebody's personal opinion may be on the case, they are entitled to do that. Everybody's entitled to a fair defense, a good trial. If they feel they've been wronged, appeal, great. However, again, something for me personally just does not sit right with these donations and what the donors are getting in exchange for it. It almost feels a bit exploitative, a little salacious, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. But again, for those who believe in his innocence, and many, many do, that fund has grown to $50,000 and I would imagine is going to continue growing. Does any of that information impact how you feel about the case if you've been
Starting point is 01:13:42 following it? Do you still believe that Wade is guilty? Do you think that there's any chance that he's innocent, even after he had admitted to these murders to multiple people? Come to your own conclusions, decide what you want, and you tell me what you think. Until then, stay safe. Bye. you

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