Sex, Lies & DM Slides - 113. Friendship Breakups: Are They Harder Than Romantic Ones?

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

So, after a quick catch up about our recent dates and our experiences dating naked (if you know you know), in today's episode we are talking about reunions and friendship breakups! Although we don't care so much about Oasis' reunion, we DO have a lot to say on friendship breakups and how they compare to romantic ones. We also need you guys to help us find Ana's ex best friend - where is Katie?! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Visit connectsontario.ca. let's go hi guys and welcome back to another episode of sex lies and dm slides with me saffron barker and me anastasia kingsnorth so it is tuesday and we are back for another episode and today we are talking about reunions and friendship breakups but first let's have a little catch-up hi Viv how have you been what have you been doing I've been good I have I've actually been very busy I feel like I've been keeping myself very busy since I've been home yeah I signed myself up to daily vlogging yeah how's that going well it's not okay hear me out I out, hear me out. I've been uploading so much, but I've not daily vlogged. And I'm getting the comments like, I thought you were daily vlogging and I feel bad.

It's really hard. How did I do it for two and a half years? And on top of that, I uploaded two main channel videos. So I uploaded nine videos in a week for two and a half years straight and I think I missed two days it's honestly like I applaud you for being able to do it for two and a half years because I think I did it for three or four months and I was done like it is so hard to daily vlog people honestly don't realize how hard it is because i was watching zoe and alfie's vloggers

that's what made me want to daily vlog so i've been uploading a lot more like i'm still uploading like five times a week but you know what i somewhat think it's easier for them because they've got kids and there's alfie and zoe so they can do all the family content that everybody wants to see where it's like because we're just vlogging on our own or with our friends or whatever but I don't have enough to say no well that's it that's like what I'm really struggling with is like my evenings look the same every night so I don't know what else to vlog I don't know what I can do that's more entertaining than the day before like obviously I appreciate people just want to see homely vlogs and stuff but I do

think it's so different if you even if you haven't got kids I mean it's so easy to film kids but like even if you haven't got kids if you have a partner that can film you like you're not just constantly having to film yourself I think it's a lot easier like I know I do sound like I'm making excuses but I think when you live alone especially like it's so hard it is it's really hard like even just on my normal vlogs if I'm in the house and I will upload like two or three over the span of two weeks I'll get comments being like this is the exact same as the other vlog and I'm like yeah because this is all I do like I'm just in the house every evening like I can't make my evening look any more exciting than it already is like do you know what I mean so it's really hard.

How many vlogs? You've done a few though. Because I've been watching them. I think I've uploaded like five in a week. But that's still unbelievable. You say you've been watching them. Thanks, my girl. Yeah, I've been putting them on.

That's still really good. Thanks, girly. Yeah, I feel like the thing is with me as well is I won't upload it if I don't watch it and think, oh, I really enjoyed this. So I actually have logged every day. I just haven't uploaded every day because I watch it and I'm like is this like good enough yeah I don't know like I feel like I take my YouTube channel so I just love it like I feel like it's like my platform so I want to upload good content same I feel like the comments are just so much nicer on YouTube as well. Than like any other platform. Well, I feel like it was until everything got uploaded to TikTok.

Oh, I can't even. With my YouTube videos on TikTok, if I see one more, I'm going to scream. Yeah. Like I might actually start uploading them myself. So at least I. I was thinking. I was thinking exactly this. At least then I can get the views

yeah and i'll get the money for it because it's so annoying i'm dying yesterday i was watching a clip to be fair it was actually really funny but i don't think it was meant to be funny it was you driving to bolton and like oh my god and i thought why is this up on tiktok i actually still watched it twice did you actually i thought it was really funny. I don't know why I was on about but I saw that clip as well. Is it blown up? I didn't even see that. When I saw it it got a lot of views.

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Let's go. I went on that date. Yes, a howdy date with gym guy go. It went really well to be fair because you know how I was feeling about the coffee date. Yes. But no, it was actually really good. So who knows? Who knows? But now it's just going to be'll just see him in the gym all the time but i think that is the only awkward thing

about the situation like you can't escape him well you can't you can't but that's so fine like it's fine i'm not an awkward person like it's fine but it's like the one like you know some days I go to the gym I look so rough and I just think oh like you know now I'm gonna have to make a bit more of an effort when I go to the gym whereas the gym is normally just your place to just go and have a bit of like you time yeah yeah but it's fine like honestly he was so nice like I couldn't afford a single thing about him. So we'll see. Oh, my God.

We'd love to see it. And how about you? Any update on the potential love bomber? No update on the potential love bomber. It hasn't gone, like, any further to what it after the date. To be honest, I'm just not really looking for anything at the moment. Like, I feel like I haven't really been looking for anything for ages. But I don't know.

I just think, I mean, I'm just kind of like if anything happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't I'm just kind of like looking for anything why are you still on dating apps just I don't know I don't really just when you're bored like yeah I don't really use them anymore like I've got them but I wouldn't like I can't be bothered to like to be fair i get that because like i would if i was still like on dating apps i would have them even if i wasn't using them yeah like i've just not deleted the thing and it's still on my phone yeah i got you but yeah i just don't want to use it anymore like it was fun honestly you can just go downstairs to your lobby and you've seen half a hinge guys the people in my building it should be

illegal oh my god i didn't tell you what happened to me the other day what i did though what i was so embarrassed all right guys this is actually one of the most embarrassing things i've ever done and it might not sound that embarrassing but in that moment i wanted to shrivel up and die so i was downstairs and this was like a couple of weeks ago now and I'd like fobbed for the door to let me in and this guy was coming in behind me and he just coming from playing paddle because he's like paddle racket and he pulled the door open and I was like oh thank you and he was like it's all right darling so I was like oh my god is this gonna be darling I was like what the hell no I thought this was really cute and then we were in the lift and I pressed my floor and he

didn't press anything. And he was like, oh, we're neighbors. But I'd never seen him before. So I was like, oh, if we just moved in, we'd have like a nice conversation. Get up. And we're still talking when we get out the lift. And I read the numbers on the doors to go the wrong way. I walked to his front door, like to his front door.

But as I was doing it in my head I was thinking why is he walking to my front door like how does he know where I live like that's what was going through my head but no I'd walked to his front door so he started to fob and let himself in I was like oh I'm so sorry I was like I'm so so sorry and I just came back into my flat and I just put my head in my hands and I was like did you say I thought I was walking to mine yeah I was I'm so what did he say was he laughing yeah he was laughing i haven't seen him since like he was a lot older like like he was good looking but like not like that but i was just so embarrassed i was like oh my

fucking god i cannot believe i've just i honestly until he fobbed his door i genuinely thought to myself why is he coming to my flat because it's the exact same just on the other side so that was very embarrassing the thing is like it doesn't sound bad but i can appreciate like if he was there i would have been so embarrassed yeah it doesn't sound bad but in that moment it was absolutely horrendous and i was just like oh my god i can't believe i've just done that the thing is though like it's an innocent mistake so I honestly don't really get embarrassed about things anymore like I really don't I feel as if I was actually saying this every day to my friends ever since I went to LA like there's not many things that make me feel embarrassed anymore I think where I really had to put myself outside my comfort zone and where I had

to do so much by myself that like genuinely because okay even example and this you probably wouldn't think this sounds embarrassing anyways but yesterday I went to the gym and I went and did a gym class I haven't done in years and in my opinion it's like the hardest gym class it's like a weight class and it's so different to how I would train like when I train I'm doing like 10 reps I'm having like a 10 minute break I'm not even joking then I do it again right whereas this it's like an hour solid like you don't stop it's just rep after rep after rep so like normally I never would have gone because I just would have been so embarrassed like honestly i was the worst in the class but now i'm just at a point where i just genuinely don't give a shit i think that's such a good point to

get to though because realistically like nobody else cares either yeah and if they do like all for the moment they're thinking oh i thought it should be fitter than that that's that yeah and then they just won't think anything of it anymore yeah like so i'm glad you still went and did it i did babe and i feel great for it exactly and you smashed it and really no one else is thinking about it in the morning if they thought anything yesterday like no one cares yeah true something we all need to remember in life for real and before anyways before we get onto the friendship i just want to talk about dating naked really quick i feel like loads people are gonna watch oh my god guys this is wild hang on do you know what's even more wild

what it's the fact that my family thought i was going on it oh my god i know right so there's a there's a new dating show called dating naked and anna and i just went and filmed so mtv had basically got people together to get their reactions um to the show basically because you think it's censored it's not censored they are naked from the beginning to the end they're naked 24 7 it's a lot so yeah it's a lot and so they wanted to get our reactions but what's crazy is i told imogen originally which is my sister-in-law i told her oh yeah when i'm filming for dated naked tomorrow and she's like what do you mean i'm like well i'm filming for dated naked i'm going tomorrow she was like you're not going on

it i'm like and i thought i'm so going along with this and i was like yeah she was like you're not show me the email show the email obviously but i all i've got is like the data naked like yeah not the reaction the cool shit and stuff yeah yeah oh my god i can't believe you're doing that like blah blah blah but the fact that she even believed me i thought was concerning crazy then i tell my mom i don't even need to show her the email. She's already believed me. And that to me is so concerning that they think that I would do that. I've always told my parents I'd never even go on a love island, let alone dating naked.

It's worse that they thought you would do it because me, I can understand a little bit more. If people thought it because we've spoken very openly about the fact that I can get naked a lot um because when I talked because Freya rang me the night before and she was like what you doing tomorrow in London I was like oh I'm filming for dating naked and I said I kind of like worded it the same and she was like what like the same as I went I'm filming for dating naked what'sff she's like you're going on it

and i said no babe i should have played along i went no babe i'm reacting to it oh my god i wish you played along i wish i played along in like i could not do it but guys it's so good like me and saff had to skip a few episodes so we didn't watch the beginning so we had to like really quickly pick up who the people were but it's so good like i came so desensitized the fact that they were naked that i was just watching their love story rather than the fact that they had their penis and vagina out for everyone it's wild because you kind of get used to them walking around naked constantly but the bit that like it doesn't matter how many times you watch it you met it gives you a real fright and a real shock is when they do the interviews in the room so like glove island they have like a little room where you sit and you do the interviews the guys are sat with their legs spread. Like full man spread. Like sat legs up.

Like dick just completely out. Like it's just the most bizarre thing I've ever watched. The girls had a bit of like modesty. They had their knee up to cover their vagina in that part. Yeah, like obviously they're walking around naked. But like the infubit, they put their knees up. But the boys, no. It's absolutely crazy crazy but you know what

to have that much confidence like i'm not judging them like if you have that much confidence then fair play that's what we were saying like what a slave for all these people because i could never like i could never but their confidence is unmatched and they made some really good connections in there and it was a really entertaining show i thought so if you haven't watched it good and i kind of said stuff i was like in this day and age for that to be allowed on tv and not be censored is actually really nice because i used to love very dark humid tv that's just not allowed anymore and i feel like tv has become so like pgs it was just nice to be

able to watch something that was a little bit more frisky i don't know yeah and apparently one of the couples are together in real life yeah so it's lasted yeah so i'm i'm honestly you have to watch you have to watch it's so good and everyone vote for anna to be in season two because she was loving how free they were and I think we could convince her. Imagine that I do a date and naked podcast. Imagine if I just logged on to the podcast and I'm sat here full tits out. I'd have

my hair covering my boobs like this. But the thing is would that be legal? How have they got this show aired? I don't know. I actually don't know because on all the social clips they're having to blur everything obviously because you can't post any of that on like you know but i feel like mtv can get away with stuff like that because they had like geordie shaw for years didn't they yeah and stuff like that so i feel like they out of any channel can get away with it but and they couldn't have a

better host than rylan like he is just is perfect made for this show it's perfect well someone told me yesterday actually that it was his idea no yeah someone told me yesterday that it was his idea so he has to come up with the concept oh my god that's crazy yeah which is so fun for him to see it come to life he's like i want to see people date naked and the next thing you know wow and i imagine like telling somebody that most people would go who who would do that? Yeah. Lots of people have. Yeah, lots of people have. And I'm sure lots of people will apply for season two. Potentially.

That's crazy. That's actually mental. Wow. But anyway, now I've had a little catch up. I'm sure you probably all haven't been able to escape the news. The Oasis are getting back together after years and years of Liam and Noel not speaking. So we thought this would be a good opportunity to talk about friendship breakups and reunions um first of all this is probably a very controversial opinion um so let's not put this as a cut down on TikTok but I personally am not too bothered about our ages getting back together I can't say I am either you know I love their music

but like I just I can't even remember which one's who which is so bad oh I don't know one of them I think is so disgustingly rude that even though I love their music I can't even care for the fact that they're back together like I just think he is the rudest person like I just I just can't but the thing is like would I see them like like would I I love their music but like I just I don't think I was in the population that was like so excited about it yeah I don't know like it is pretty cool it is i mean it is pretty cool like i never thought i'd see the day they'd get back together no i think i maybe just missed that generation where i'm like super excited about it because like my mom was really excited about it

and like everyone on tiktok i'm seeing all their reactions of like people surprising their parents with tickets and they're crying like to obviously to our parents no one thought that they was gonna make up no but then i've seen stuff that apparently they're like putting in measures that where they don't have to speak whilst they're on the tour so they just like they'll be kept completely separate mental but then also apparently they're getting paid 14 million each for each show. Well, yeah, that's why they've done it. Because, I mean, they hated each other. So would I get on stage with somebody I hate for 14 million pounds? Probably.

Yeah. Probably would. If I'm just, you know, making a quick bit of cash. That's just crazy. It's wild, isn't it? I couldn't imagine ever hating my sibling. I know. I just don't think there's anything in the world that my brothers

could do that would make me hate them but they never publicly said what it was did they that why they fell out like nobody knows i don't really know they talk shit about each other but i don't really think they're like anyone actually my mum said it was something to do with something that happened in france on tour and that's all that like the public know but I know that it's a very exciting time for a lot of people who loved Oasis um so what would be like your dream band to get back together then I said I did love One Direction but I also loved Little Mix and that really I was sad but oh Destiny's Child sad, but oh, Destiny's Child. Yeah,

no, mine would be Destiny's Child. That would be unbelievable because when we were at Coachella and we saw the reunion, the shock, like I have never felt so shocked in my life when they came up on the stage.

We were like, what the hell? No guys, it's the only time I've ever cried in a concert. Yeah, I wish you were closer. The way that I cried,

same. It was just, I just've ever cried in a concert. Yeah. I wish you were closer. The way that I cried, same. It was just, I just never thought I would see them. Like they are my favorite band that's ever existed. And I just, well, because they're not together. So I just never thought I'd see them. Yeah. I never thought I'd see them. Like saying my name live was just, it was actually just incredible. I mean, Beyonce was just absolutely amazing.

That whole set. The fact that you were there is actually so wild. Like that that it's crazy that we got to see that live yeah to be fair we've had some amazing experiences at coachella oh we saw lauren hill i was pretty much the same i've been seeing artists that i've never thought i'd see yeah i would never forget that the way saff ran like i'm not joking ran across coachella and i genuinely was looking at the stage like i'm so confused what's going on like is she drunk like is she like faking it because anna doesn't really know who lauren hill was whereas yeah i listen to like old r&b like i don't listen to this generation music no saf does not we have two very different playlists

so yeah i just remember the second i just didn't know she's performing so when i heard her i can't even tell you how fast i ran across that field and i know i'm looking behind me and i'm like why the fuck she's not running i was so confused i was like what is she doing but then when we got there i actually knew some of the songs and i was like oh it was really good and then straight after that bb rexer came on i and bought David Guetta out and I was like oh my god I was like this is just like yeah we've had really good Coachella experiences yeah we've been very lucky with that but if One Direction got back together that would be a day I do think like everyone would go crazy but do you think Zayn would go back with them because I don't know

no I don't I think it would just be the four rather than I don't think they'd do it though unless all of them went back because it wouldn't be the same like it would not be the same but I never got to experience a One Direction concert but the thing is I don't know so say Zayn wouldn't but at the same time what is he like doing like don't mean that like what is he doing like he's not releasing loads of solo music still no i genuinely have no idea what like i've not heard about zayn for so long yeah i feel like for money and years and years and years time he will i hope so i actually think more so than somebody like harry because harry's got his own career harry's doing obviously they all have their own career they're all absolutely massive in their own right have you been seeing all the stuff on tiktok with liam

pain and his girlfriend yeah it's just a bit of like he looks like he's being like not he doesn't look there yeah i know you mean do you know i mean it come off my view page i went down a bit of a hole of looking at it and i was like he looks like he's there but he's not there but it's just so weird to me that he's making i don't know that he's just coming off a view page and just making tiktoks so casually like that yeah it's it's strange when you think like how different his career has gone to somebody like gary styles well i always forget that he's got a baby with cheryl cole yeah that's just mental that's actually mental it's crazy isn't it yeah like it actually is wild i would love to see them get back together that would be a good day oh my god i thought you meant cheryl cole and liam bain no no no one direction not cheryl cole and liam bain

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I think they are too because the thing is with friendships like they're just unmatched you can know I mean it doesn't even know how how long you know someone you can know someone for two years you're in this one for seven years but they're your like best friend it's like an unconditional sort of love and it's like a it's a love that like will be forever like and you're 100% can guarantee it'll be forever so then for me like I've lost people before that I've really loved in like a friendship way and it is the pain just lasts longer like it's just something that I just can't I don't know like you just don't expect I mean you don't expect it from romantic either but but from a friendship, I feel like it does just hit completely different. I think so.

Because I think anyone that gets into a relationship, you know, it could end at some point. Like, I know that's obviously a really not nice way to think. And I would never get into a relationship thinking, oh my God, this can end at some point. But it's just like life. Whereas my friendships, when somebody becomes becomes my friend I don't ever think oh I'm losing them like that's not anything that's ever going to cross my mind I think you just always think your friends are going to be there through everything and they are they're normally there through your breakups like that's the difference is they see you get your heart broken

they see they put it back together like they yeah they heal the heart that they didn't break in a relationship how often are you falling out of your friends that your that your partner's gonna like mend your heart you know it's not happening and if you are falling out that many friends and maybe you might need to consider that you are the problem because yes I don't think that many people I know is falling out of people that often so um yeah no I think it's the worst thing so I don't even know why I'm actually saying this online but i'm gonna say anyways so i've had the same friends since i've been about two years old

which and i'm extremely lucky for and we have been like this never ever ever once had we had an argument like about anything we don't even bicker like we're just not those sort of people but this one time one of my friends really screwed me over in my friendship group and I remember oh actually it was two of them really but I remember thinking I've actually just lost my best friends and I'm telling you now it felt fucking worse than heartbreak like it was I I mean I've never even had an argument with them never had an argument with them never even bickered with them never for a second thought they would screw me over like it was just yeah because you just never think that you never think it will No, it was the last thing I ever expected.

And we didn't speak for, I don't know, maybe like two weeks. Until I ended up forgiving them, basically. And I just remember thinking, I don't have my best friends. How the fuck am I going to survive life? How am I going to make new best friends? I think making new friends is not hard making like best friends like these people i've known since i was two years old yeah like i just didn't know what to do with myself like that was seriously one of the worst feelings in the world like it really really was it's absolutely horrendous because like i

my i see my longest friend is so random he's called joel and i've known him for like 15 years and we've never fallen out but all my home friends from school i was in a girl group of like 11 people when i was at school and i now speak to one of them it was mental and like it's so weird because I actually filmed this on for a YouTube video and if she hears this actually I'd love to know where she is because she just disappeared off the face of the earth so I had my best friend called Katie when I was at school and she moved to Liverpool and then she came back and surprised me and the fucking video went viral because I look horrendous in it and I never heard from her again she disappeared off the face of the earth deleted me off of social media

delete everybody off social media like I have searched everywhere to try and find her found out a couple of years ago that she got married and has three kids and cannot find anything else out since but then how do you know that's true it might not be true it might not be true but it's what we kind of like from delving on social media that's what we found and i remember i remember her do you remember like weed yeah honestly and i've never heard from her again. And she was like my best friend in school. Like my best friend for like six, seven years. It took me ages to get over it because I was like, how on earth? Dude, like that's like me now.

Guys, can we start making TikTok saying where is she? Yeah. Because I actually want to know. Where are you? Because that is like genuine. No, because if this went out on TikTok, we could find her. Yeah. because we've known each other now what oh my god nearly 10 years it'll be like eight nine years for us so that's like me now just imagine me just disappearing you never hearing from me again five years you potentially finding out that i've got three kids but you're not sure that is crazy it's honestly the most bizarre thing in the world and that was a friendship like breakup that like I had to get over because I was so

gobsmacked and occasionally it's usually just you or no everyone everyone I was gonna say because maybe you did something wrong without even realizing well that's what I thought but no everybody and nobody's heard anything and it was like well maybe just wanted a fresh start but like and so you know her last name yeah i know her last name but i don't know if i could say it but everyone will know who it is because she's in all my videos oh wow it was just i want to know i want to know it was just so bizarre and i'd love to know where she is i'm in touch with her we hope she just so bizarre and i'd love to know where she is

i'm in touch with her we hope she's okay but i just love to know where she is so that was a really hard like breakup friendship that i've been through but you know what i think the worst ones are and god forbid i've never gone through this but when your like boyfriend cheats with your best friend oh my god that is that makes me physically sick genuinely one of my worst nightmares because but like that's never gonna happen your friends and yeah that's never gonna happen but when we hear stories like that on the podcast i just think oh my god like how is that even a thing? Because then you're grieving not only your relationship,

but your friend, like, it would, I actually think it would hurt me more from my best friend's side. Oh, me too, yeah. Than the relationship side. It's like we said, a friendship is worse. Yeah, 100%. And your friend probably owes more, well, I don't know, I can't really say more loyalties.

Your partner owes you so many loyalties, but it's like, yeah, you just don't expect I can't really say more loyalties your partner owes you so many loyalties but it's like yeah you just don't expect it from your friend I mean no yeah that's just like your friend is the one that hears you moan about your boyfriend or hears you cry about your boyfriend or hears you do you know I mean like to go and do that behind your back it's just yeah absolutely fucking crazy see I don't even like think about that because if I just don't think for a second my friends would ever I know nobody thinks that yeah like if that yeah I don't know what I'd do myself that happened genuinely because I know it would never happen like I know you can never say never about things in life but I can say never about that like I know

it would not happen yeah same but if it did happen I would I don't think I've ever would have experienced a level of shock like i think that would really like that would be the biggest reality check i think i'd ever feel in my whole entire life yeah and i mean we know people that this has happened to yeah we do and it's just and how they haven't outed them fuck me i don't know because i would be livid it is honestly it's just fucking wild it is wild rbc avion visa lets you get there your way whether you want to suit up for peak ski season or spring break with the whole fam and a whole lot of sunblock.

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UCC, a place where tradition, excellence and innovation meet. Learn more at our open house events on October 15th and 16th. Register now at causeandeffect.ucc.on.ca. Let's go. Do you think like how would you get over a friendship breakup like do you get over a friendship breakup in the same way as a romantic breakup well I think it's hard isn't it because I think with a romantic breakup I would get over it by spending loads of time with my friends and those I love yeah and I think that would be really hard if obviously you've lost your best friend um of course you have other friends like I'm trying to think that two be really hard if obviously you've lost your best friend.

Of course you have other friends. Like I'm trying to think the two weeks I didn't speak to my friends. I would, I hung out more with my other friends. I guess I kind of did do the same thing really. But I think it's hard because everything reminds you of them. You constantly want to send them things. Like it's just, I don't know. I wouldn't say I haven't, I haven haven't ever had it like i've had two weeks of it that's it yeah but like that's literally it other than that i've never fallen out of my friends so i actually don't know like

there was one girl i was friends with and she's the worst person i've met in my life i mean she's just absolutely awful i mean i don't know it's what i'm talking about yeah i was gonna say i have a feeling you're probably the worst human i've ever met i mean she's absolutely crazy like absolutely nuts crazy is a bit of an understatement to be honest an absolute understatement that if i could explain the things that this girl's done i mean anyway it's not a nice person at all so losing her I did not give a shit because she was an she is an awful person yeah she was like a friend that almost needed to go oh she needed to go like she yeah it was very well she

was just very fake because that isn't who she is. Like, you'd meet her, think she's the nicest person ever. You get to know her. And every person who's got to know her has had the exact same experience. So, I mean, it's just, so like, other than that, I've never lost somebody, like, friendship-wise that I'd be really sad about. I haven't really either. Like, not in my adult years anyway like now I feel like you've got like I have lots of friends but like if we're talking like best friends the circle's very small of who I would actually class as like okay you you're one of

my best friends there's loads of reasons people fall out like your communication styles aren't lining up like there's been betrayal you're like struggling to make time for one another or like distance or anything like that but i think that just comes with also getting older and like friendships do just naturally change as you get older like yeah everyone we're all now adults which is crazy and we all have adult life things that we need to do and it does make it harder sometimes to make enough time to see all your friends but then if like everyone's in that same position so everybody understands that and our friendships just like mature as we get older but i can't personally see myself like falling out with anybody now no do you think do you ever argue with your friends though we do argue but like they're not

like arguments it's more like i don't know like not even a disagreement but i think it's because with my friendship group we see each other every day so if we're gonna have a bicker it's because we bicker like brother and sister it's not like you've done something wrong it's like so i don't even bicker with my friendship group but i think it is different i think it's different because one my friendship group is just girls whereas yours is guys and girls so you're gonna have different opinions and two like you say you see each other every day whereas we don't so i think that's probably why i think if we saw each other every day there'd probably be more chance but i do think it's very different as well having a friendship group that's

just girls and a friendship group that's guys and girls yes a hundred percent a hundred percent because yeah there's a lot of difference of opinions in my friendship group sometimes and it makes it all for like good entertainment but sometimes it's like oh fuck like do you know what i mean but it's all very entertaining but we don't seriously argue but i would be gobsmacked now if like we genuinely fell out the only time i will fall out with somebody is when i find out who did my fucking suitcase then honestly who was i having this conversation with was it jed it might have been jed i can't remember who I think it was Jed and he was like I think it's so and so and do you know what who he said he thinks it is I agree

I'm really on the podcast I am I am adamant and he gave his reasons and I thought fuck you're so true I really think it's his first and I don't think to me who you think it is after the I don't think you think it but I really think it is anyways the fact. I don't think you'd think it, but I really think it is. Anyways. And he is adamant. He is absolutely adamant. It's this person. I can't even tell you. And I am so convinced.

And it was Jed, actually, because, yeah. And anyways, he was like, the thing is, he's like, when somebody owns up, and I was like, Jed, no one's going to own up. It's gone too far. He's like, but maybe one day. And I'm like, no, Jed, no one's going to own up. And he was like, yeah, fuck it. No one's. This up it's gone too far maybe one day and i'm like no jed no one's gonna own up and he was like yeah fuck it no one's like this this person is never owning up well i said in the group chat i said guys is anybody opposed to me getting a lie detector test like a police grade lie detector and putting everybody on it and everyone was like no we can all do it but then some people

started to panic and they were like oh my god but like what if i panic on the day and it says that it's me and it's not me and i'm like well saying that a couple people said that but like i think is though i don't know if i believe in lie detector test i know because i know the thing is like it i actually i'm starting to think that more than one person knows who it is and i think it could have been an accomplice job because I've been racking my brain on it I'm thinking somebody threw up in it they panicked told somebody else and the other person didn't know what to do so cut it out so I think two people might know okay but yeah because I don't think anyone's doing that by themselves no I that's what I think it's an accomplice job but like we speak about it every day in the group chat we had a massive debate on it the other day, like 300, 400 messages I come back to you to read.

And then I gave it to our other friend's boyfriend to sit and read. And he read all the messages and came up with theories on who it could be by how they were texting. But like, I'm never going to know. But like when I do find out, that is the time guys. I don't think you will. I'm sorry to break it to you.

We're going to have to do an episode of friendship breakups then because that is when I'll be going through a friendship breakup. No, see, that's the thing. No one's going to do it. Like, no one's going to tell you because of that reason. I know, but I've already gone in and said that now. But I do, I really hope that one day I do find out because...

Yeah, but you'll lose a friend then. Or will you not? Or will you just be grateful they've told you? You know what? Yeah, because I won't lose a friend because you're not a friend to do that to me. Do you know what I mean?

No, but therefore, no one's going to do that though because everyone wants to stay your friend. Well, yeah, I know.

I know. I've shot myself in the foot really by saying all that I already have said. But, it's never going to be lived down. Like, I will padlock my suitcase.

Someone has taken that to the grave with them. I'm sorry, but they are. Someone's taken it to the grave with them i'm sorry but they are someone's in it to the grave and someone said i'm just so happy i wasn't there because although i'd never fucking do that and you know i'd never fucking do that i know for a fact everyone would think it's me like on social media guarantee you everyone would think it's me i had a couple people say to me like i'm so glad i wasn't there like not that i would ever do that but i'm just

so glad that i can't even be in this equation and i'm like yeah i bet you because i just know i'd get all the fucking stick like i actually would you know what you probably would for no fucking reason because i know for a solid fact you would never i would never if i was sick also i would tell you there and then yes okay i know you would if you would like yeah it's just honestly it's the most ridiculous far-fetched thing that makes no sense but i can point back i know you would never do that to me and the suitcase thing lives on and it lives on what do we call it suitcase drama to see another day yeah the suitcase drama still here still kicking about so we'll

give you guys any updates someone said to me the other day like imagine if someone tells you on your wedding day i say i probably wouldn't tell me on my wedding day stop because then i will be fuming so maybe whoever's done it you listen to this not on my someone's gonna do it at your funeral if you die first oh my god imagine actually fucking imagine someone's doing like my eulogy and they're like babe if i live longer than you and i hear someone do that i don't worry i'll fucking beat them up just deck them at my funeral okay well we're gonna end this episode here i feel like we've not really given the best advice i think we've just more talking about our um friendships and if we've ever had

breakups or friendships and we're not really the best person I think to give advice on this because we haven't really experienced it ourself um but I do appreciate it's such an awful thing to go through and if you are going through this then I just wanted to send all of my love because I really do think it's one of the worst feelings in the world um and let's try and if you ever have any advice dm us because we can read it out on the next podcast because I'm feeling like a lot of yours advice would be better than ours yes because we get a lot of dms and stuff actually about the podcast and I feel like we need to start reading some more of them out because I always see them and I read them but then I just always forget to send them into our

podcast chat so keep sending us the dms and we can answer your dilemmas we can answer we'll read out any of your advice but yeah any advice on this would be really appreciated and we can read out next episode but thank you all so much for listening i hope you guys have enjoyed make sure to check us out on socials and subscribe to the pod on spotify so you don't miss out on all of the future goss and we will see you on thursday for our bonus episode see you guys then bye sex size and dm size is a spotify original podcast it was produced by spirit studios