Sex, Lies & DM Slides - S1E7: Gizzi & Sydney | Lily Allen

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

British pop icon Lily Allen is launching a new vibrator so Gizzi and Sydney had to get her on the show to chat about her orgasms and her recent Vegas marriage to Stranger Things star David Harbour.  ... Sex, Lies and DM Slides is a Spotify Original. This series was produced by Heydon Prowse Productions, edited by Podmonkey with music by Free Seed Films. For Spotify, the executive producers are Rachel Simpson and Alexandra Adey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello my name's Gizzy Erskine and I'm Sydney Lima and this is Sex, Lies and DM Slides where we invite our celebrity friends to dive deep into their DM boxes to see what terrors lurk within. We'll be chatting about online trolls, online dating, perverted proposals and why everyone's so weird on social media. Sex and Lies and DM Slides. Hello and welcome to Sex, Lies and DM Slides. I am your presenter Gizzy Erskine. And I am your very chilled presenter Sydney Aimer, who hasn't had as much caffeine as you have on. How are you mate? I'm good. I'm excited today. We've got Lily Allen on and she's a very great human being but we're talking about her vibrator range so yeah I'm kind of pumped about it I've got a few things I want to talk about actually
Starting point is 00:00:52 firstly I would like to tell you so I mean we had an episode out a few weeks ago which I mentioned the zoom dancing do you remember yeah so a few weeks ago i mentioned basically a guy who sent my dms who was asking if i was available to dance on zoom now obviously i feel that that was that was an extension of a dodgy modeling pimp guy essentially see previous episode for more information and i've had a lot of interest i'm going back to university for $0 delivery fee, up to 5% off orders and 5% Uber cash back on rides. Not whatever you think university is for. Get Uber One for students. With deals this good, everyone wants to be a student. Join for just $4.99 a month. Savings make very. Eligibility and member terms apply. The all new FanDuel Sportsbook and Casino is
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Starting point is 00:02:02 In getting this company's details so that people can work for them. But they were essentially just asking me to strip online. So explain this. So somebody's actually got back in contact with you about asking you to dance. I've got a message saying, what was the Zoom dancing company? I'd be up for that. Let me know. As a guy did.
Starting point is 00:02:21 No, as a girl. A girl. A girl to dance. Oh, I think I'm absolutely... I've also got a proposal this week. Come on. Will you marry me so I can get citizenship in the UK? You'll get citizenship in America too, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Oh, quite a good deal. Well, not in this climate. Yeah, that's true. And then the next message a week later, yo, shit is getting hairy over here. Please consider my offer. I'm funny and stuff. And I'm like, do you know what?
Starting point is 00:02:49 That's better than most of the offers I'm getting at the moment. So obviously we've got Lily on today and she's bringing out some vibrators. And I've been looking at like the way that social media can get you off now. Other than dating apps, et cetera. There are these new things called audio porn apps which is like sounds to get you in the mood to wank to there are companies called like oral honey but
Starting point is 00:03:16 spent a u r a l honey and then there's like one called lush stories and literatica so they just like read erotic fiction so this is like a whole new i mean maybe maybe it's been there around for ages but it feels like a whole new movement if you ever i mean we should listen have you ever come we should listen to um some or yeah i don't know if we're allowed to do it for copyright reasons but i can send i can show you some but we should we should listen to some and i mean i'd be i'd be really interested to see what that does to me i can't't imagine it's going to do much. Aren't humans more visual than...
Starting point is 00:03:48 I mean, like, actually, that's not true. No, because I don't think... So I can cum quickly on porn, but, like, I don't think it's, like, a very meaningful cum. Like, I don't think it's very worthwhile. I think it's, like, you just quick... I think maybe there's more in, like, other senses than just visual. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:04 I don't really... To be honest, I, like, grew up not really looking other senses than just visual. Yeah. I don't really, to be honest, I grew up not really looking when I was having sex. Yeah. It's really strange. We've got such different points of view of this. I know. That's why we have the podcast to talk about. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:15 I mean, look, okay. Me and Gizzy are going to both try one app. And we'll try... We can compare those. And we'll compare those on our... Our comeback. Yeah. Wait. Wait. Comeback. And here's compare nos. And we'll compare nos on our comeback. Yeah. Wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Comeback. And here's Lily Allen. So thank you very much, Lily, for coming on our show today. How have you been? Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm really good. Sort of like quite zen at the moment. I feel pretty good.
Starting point is 00:04:39 It would be weird for us not to acknowledge the fact that you are newly wed. Newly married for the second time. Yeah, it's great. So let's talk about the wedding. So you got married in Vegas. We did. We got married at the Graceland Chapel by Elvis, not Presley himself, but somebody impersonating him. How good of an impersonator was he?
Starting point is 00:05:00 He was pretty good, actually. We bought the three-song package. Did you get to choose the songs? I don't think we did I think it just happened But yeah, the vows were really funny It was like, you know, I vow never to step on your blue suede shoes There's no religion, no family
Starting point is 00:05:18 It was great Had you always wanted to get married in Vegas? No No, it was just I never wanted to get married in Vegas Why did you do it? It was sort of like I can't say that i wasn't um why did we get married in vegas because we just wanted to get married and because the um the lockdown situations everywhere it was just really difficult it was
Starting point is 00:05:37 seemed to be the only place sort of stupid enough to have ceremonies so that's what happened interesting though that we didn't plan to announce it to anyone like it was meant to be a very private affair then we were leaving vegas driving to los angeles and nevada clark county tweeted our marriage certificate whoa yeah so that saying of what happens in vegas stays in vegas it's actually what happens in Vegas gets tweeted out by Vegas I mean that's a testament I mean obviously this show is about the internet and how fucking weird it's got and that how private can that be when you get it tweeted yeah it was weird and then because it was such a lovely pleasurable experience I suddenly got the fear
Starting point is 00:06:22 when we were like on the road because i thought oh god if the newspapers know we got married then they'll go to the chapel and offer their money for the pictures and then it will just all leave a sour taste in my mouth so i was just like got a bonus just chuck this on instagram yeah do they do in the chapel they do like photos like if you're on a kind of roller coaster in fort park is it kind of kind of yeah i mean it was really like staged like silly pictures they were like you know you put your hand on her shoulder and like lean her over and literally put your tuck your leg behind you i was like i wish they did this on real photoshoot yeah like guidance but actually you do look very like priscilla presley and those pictures were really beautiful and actually the
Starting point is 00:07:04 dress was well it was more a suit, wasn't it? Well, it was a, yeah, it was a little sort of suit-y dress, I guess. It was, I found it like literally an hour before. I was going to say, was it kind of like that whole vibe of like running in? My daughter had gone to a place called Beautiful Brides that morning to go and like try on rental dresses and we found one that was like very Dolly Parton-esque like massive sleeves and diamantes and stuff and I was planning on wearing that and then me and my daughter went shopping and we went into the Dior store and found this dress and then I was like what do you think of this and she was like well I don't think you're leaving this shop without it, mate.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I was like, OK. Sold. So you've recently launched, well, you're about to launch some sex toys. A sex toy. A sex toy. One sex toy. A clitoral massager. Where did the inspiration for this come from?
Starting point is 00:08:06 Where did it, well, it came, it was very organic, natural process because i wrote a book two years ago and i didn't really like masturbate or come really until like my late 20s and so i write about this in a bit in my book and i name check the actual product i use which was this thing called a womanizer and they got in contact and, would you like to do a collab? Yeah, a collab, why not? Has the womaniser evolved since the womaniser? Yeah, it has. There's been so many different womanisers. This one is the best womaniser.
Starting point is 00:08:38 I actually don't know what a womaniser is. I think it uses pleasure air technology. And it looks a bit like a hair dryer and you put it on your clit and it wobbles around and you have an orgasm really quickly. How quick? Like I mean in a matter of minutes like four minutes three minutes four minutes. See it's very interesting even less sometimes really depends what you're watching. It's very interesting what you say about coming because we
Starting point is 00:09:07 have this conversation. I feel a bit like Sydney's big sister here and we're kind of quite different in the sense that I was quite sexually active even from eight years
Starting point is 00:09:16 old I remember coming so I don't actually Eight? Yeah. I was like 18. No I said 15 the other day but I thought about it as 18.
Starting point is 00:09:24 But that's your 20. Late 20s. You still don't own a vibrator do you? No, I said 15 the other day, but I thought about it as 18. But you were 20. I was in my late 20s. You still don't own a vibrator, do you? No, but I did have an ex-boyfriend who had an Eiffel Tower dildo. You're on my gifting list, so you will have one in a matter of days. So you don't have a vibrator. You kind of said that you feel like you're kind of coming into your sexual prime-ish thing. Sexual awakening. And a lot of people don't really talk about this is is the point and i think it's very cool to come out and talk about it but there's been quite an interesting taboo i mean there was something i
Starting point is 00:09:54 saw online recently that said women get brought up to understand about their periods um we never get to talk about how to wank i don't have the thing on me, so I'll just make it up. But I read something recently about that there wasn't actually any clinical studies done of the clitoris until the late 80s. It was ridiculous. I didn't literally know. No one had done a full-on scan of the vagina, looking at it for pleasure rather than just as a functional organ
Starting point is 00:10:26 until the late 80s it might even have been early 90s i'm gonna i'm gonna like vouch against the 90s because i was a body piercer in camden and i definitely pierced by a lot of clitoris isn't just the thing on the outside yeah it goes all the way around your lips and under and it's like yeah but that it was because of that test that they found that out everyone had always just thought it was a little bean yeah it's not a little bean that's the end of it yeah how like from when you first kind of like started having sex has that changed as you go older and then with everyone kind of becoming more understanding of the clit and stuff like has that completely like shifted all the sexual experiences because i've noticed that that's been the case like as you get you always tell me like when you get to like mid late 20s that then
Starting point is 00:11:13 you actually start having good sex and then before that it was just kind of a bit of a waste of time i've got a theory that in your 20s you you're a facilitator yeah exactly yeah i just felt like a vessel for male enjoyment 100 i think that a lot of it is fear i think that like we think as soon as you're not convincing him that he is doing a good job he loses his confidence and then who knows what the fuck can happen when that happens like you can either turn to anger and can turn to whatever but it's not going to be a pleasurable experience yes it does all come from a fearful place. And I guess with programming, how we visualise sex as women
Starting point is 00:11:49 is still the same way that men do, which is because of porn, you know. I suppose we had, like, Company magazine or, like, Glamour magazine, you'd be like, ooh, look, here's a few tips, but actually... Oh, God, those tips are so tasty now. But actually, I mean, you said that you learnt a lot of how to have sex because of porn. And I think that that's quite a normal, not how to have sex. But the point being is that it's all programming.
Starting point is 00:12:10 And actually to really, I mean, I guess it's these conversations. Yeah. What's your experience of porn? Oh, well. Well, well, well. I'm like a bit of granny porn. No, I'm joking. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:24 I do go through like mad stages of being into no I'm joking I don't know I do go I go through like mad stages of being into all sorts of freaky weird shit how does that vary I mean a lot
Starting point is 00:12:32 you know I can start off with a little bit of sort of gentle lesbianing and then like full blown gangbangs I'm really into gangbangs
Starting point is 00:12:41 yeah it's usually that sort of trajectory. Sometimes even just like massaging and like fingering sometimes is quite erotic. That's a really good thing. You know, like you can YouTube how to make like a Victoria sponge or whatever. If you go on YouPorn, you can like YouPorn how to have these amazing orgasms. I would totally recommend it. So can you tell us a little bit more about these vibrators?
Starting point is 00:13:05 Yeah, I mean, you just put them on your clitoris and then have an orgasm. But I do think that what I've found interesting about them, and what I find interesting about them now even, is that there is that sort of myth, and this toy cuts out that myth, of in order to get into the mood of things, you light a candle, run a bath, get your oils out. And do you know what I mean? And then you can sort of get in contact with yourself. Whereas this thing I think gives you probably more what it feels like to have,
Starting point is 00:13:34 to be a boy in that you just chuck it on there, it wiggles around and you're coming. There's not like any of that sort of pretense at the middle bit of like having to get into the mood just does the job that's what I like about it and especially like as a mum I sometimes have to like get these things in like in a certain amount of time I've got to pick the kids up from school
Starting point is 00:13:56 in between the gym and doing studio stuff and it's like I've got a 15 minute window get the granny porn on I don't know if you remember the days when vibrators and dildos looked
Starting point is 00:14:09 like dicks like really and they all the veins are intact like that not really into that
Starting point is 00:14:14 that's what my ex had he had like a whole drawer full of like we had the Eiffel Tower one which was like bright gold
Starting point is 00:14:20 so the actual Eiffel Tower but then with like a kind of a head so it was like oh right just a shape or is it like the actual Eiffel Tower. Eiffel Tower but then with like a kind of a head. So it was like, oh right, okay, just a shape. Or is it like the actual Eiffel Tower? I think he used them on other people like when we broke up.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And I don't know what the courtesy is of... Telling people. Well, no, just... Well, no, more about using sex toys on other people. Can you do that? Well, yeah. I feel like I'm in a washing machine. Well, the dishwasher, not the washing machine.
Starting point is 00:14:44 I know, but isn't it just like more of a kind of um not the washing machine i know but it's just like more of a kind of well yeah it's a bit of hand sanitizer i don't i don't love the idea of it but i guess if a dick's oh sorry like going thinking about the pragmatics yeah i don't know I don't love it but I also don't really mind that much that make me a dirty bitch so how many vibrators do you have oh my god so many so many I actually have like basically a washing basket in my bathroom that's got two sides to it it's like a double wash I guess you're meant to put like your whites and colours in it
Starting point is 00:15:27 or your dry cleaning and something else. And it's actually just washing and dildos. And it literally goes to the top. And what sort of different shades? The one place I know my kids are never going to look is in the washing basket. All sorts of toys. I've got like gyrating ones.'ve got different sizes ones that go like back
Starting point is 00:15:48 and forwards ones that like curl do you think the womanizer is kind of more of a key factor because most women learn how to orgasm from their clitoris to begin with before discovering the g spot or do you think that's maybe not true that's a huge no i don't think that i think it probably is true i think that the myth is that you need a penis to make you come yeah definitely all that porn where they're like you know fingering girls no one that they never start like going by going in like there's a lot of work going on on the clitoris so yeah it's a surefire way yeah boys if you're listening can we just throw some dildo facts at you what do you know about dildos i mean not much so do you we just throw some dildo facts at you? What do you know about dildos?
Starting point is 00:16:25 I mean, not much. So, do you know when the first dildo was ever found? Or phallus, shall we call him? No. I don't believe this. A 28,000-year-old phallus found in Germany recently was close to being the oldest sex toy ever known. 28,000, I mean...
Starting point is 00:16:42 I guess we still had needs in those days. There's no reason why not. Definitely. The term dildo was first coined in around 1400 AD and originated from Latin for... Dilator? Yeah. It's very unsexy.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Which means open wide. And Italian for delight also translates as diletto. In the Middle East, historical reports reference Egyptians and the Greek using unripe bananas or firm camel dung coated in resin as sex leads. I mean, whatever floats your boat. You know.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Desperate leads. No judgement. You can see this is Hayden's facts. So our show is obviously based around people sliding into your DMms and the kind of weird well yes strange messages you can receive are we able to open up your other inbox yeah i mean i don't really have that oh no i'm not people don't really send me things because i just don't encourage it i did get one today i did a tiktok thing where you have to move your head down.
Starting point is 00:17:46 It makes your forehead look really big as it scans down. And someone sent me a DM saying, do that to your pussy and send me it, please. Oh, wow. I'll reply with one of my cock. Should we do it? No, I'm joking. Did you reply?
Starting point is 00:18:02 No. I mean, I have to say, I'm probably the worst person to do this with because i had a stalker uh that started on instagram so i kind of like just don't really engage let's not do that because it didn't end particularly nicely but there was this one guy called the secret he emailed me ages ago. Let me see if I can find one of his emails. Hi, Lily. I rep anonymous artist producer The Secret.
Starting point is 00:18:32 He specialises in experimental songwriting and production. The Secret is really interested in working, writing, producing with you. He's incredibly brilliant in getting down on a very real depth with other artists and extracting a vision, truth, for
Starting point is 00:18:48 a record. He's kind of like a Banksy in the music industry mixed with massive attack port-a-tet vibe. He read your recent interview with Eve Barlow for Vulture and asked me to get in touch. Not sure if you're in the States at all, but I actually just moved to NYC.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Do you have any interest in meeting the secret and i for lunch to which i just like passed it to my manager i was like what is this it was on instagram they messaged you he dm'd me on instagram so he was like i want to send you some tracks so i was like okay here you go and then that happened and it was literally about two years i think of like him just like hammering my email address and me just being like never responding and i think i put my manager in touch with him and said can you just get rid of this guy he's really freaking me out and also like i had a stalker like break into my house like can you explain to him that this is actually quite scary and can you can he go away and seb, yeah, I'll get in touch with him.
Starting point is 00:19:45 He got in touch with him and he still didn't stop. And then I got this from him on the 3rd of March this year. Hi, Lily. I want to share something with you as I'm passing this info around to any previous artists, creative industry connects that I've made. Since 2013, I've let people know that I've been managing an anonymous experimental producer, artist, mixer, engineer named A Secret. And today, I'm officially releasing the anonymity aspect.
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Starting point is 00:21:31 gives me all the power to create everything I've ever created. I've been keeping this quiet for seven years now. But I feel internally that God never really wanted the secret to be a secret. And that this gift that I am incredibly humbled to be able to steward should be shared with that said i'd really love to collab and get in the studio with you so you were also you were the queen of myspace still am you are the queen of myspace um i mean like that was a that was a different time in the messaging oh god who was in your top eight? Top five.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Top eight. I mean, quite a lot of people. I mean, you know. You can change. Adele before she was big. Florence before she was big. Mystery Jets. Yeah, I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:22:19 I think Myspace should come back. I'd love Myspace to come back. I think it was the best. It really was. It was the best time. I know. Kids don't know what they're missing all this tiktok nonsense are you on tiktok yeah i only like recently that i have it on my phone but i don't really contribute to it so it is common knowledge if not it is now because Makita ended up telling everyone about this. But you met your husband on Raya. I did.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Was that your first dating site experience? Yeah, and also I'd never... Actually, there was one Tinder experience, but I wouldn't call that a date, to be quite honest. Yeah. But I'd actually never been on a date before I met David. Wow. It was my first date before I met David. Wow. It was my first date.
Starting point is 00:23:06 That's interesting. Were you shitting yourself? So scared. Yeah. I was absolutely terrified. We went for dinner at this place called The Wolseley, which is quite a fancy restaurant. It's quite sort of open and everyone can see.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Anyway, I walked in. He was massive then because he'd been shooting this film and he was playing someone that was a lot bigger than he is now and he had this like mane of like long hair and a sort of man bun and totally not my type and uh and i was like oh and then he was like oh hey now do you have you been here before and i was like oh yeah i come here all the time my kids love the pancakes here and he went oh my god you have kids and i was like, oh, yeah, I come here all the time. My kids love the pancakes here. And he went, oh, my God, you have kids? And I was like... And then I just died for about five minutes.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Had you been flirting for a long time then? I was on holiday in Italy and had matched with him. And then I was actually sort of seeing someone else. So we didn't meet up. And then I broke up with someone else saying that, I know I just really couldn't, wasn't like up for having a relationship at that time. Five minutes later.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Five minutes later. Oh, I'm in a relationship. I always figure that stuff doesn't matter because if it kind of like stands the test of time and it is impactful, that person, the other person just needs to get over it. You got married. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:33 He was a huge Stranger Things fan though. And I hadn't seen it. So I felt a bit mean. And he had kids as well and the whole family liked to sit around and watch Stranger Things together. And I was like, oh God. It must have been quite an interesting... Do you have fans where One Direction fans really go in?
Starting point is 00:24:56 Because it's so huge, Stranger Things. Do you have any of his fans coming to you via the internet? Or vice versa. Yeah, I mean, do you know on the day that our wedding pictures came out, my follower count went up by 250,000. Thank you very much. I mean, at first they were all furious, because the fan accounts think that
Starting point is 00:25:15 David and Winona Ryder should be together. Right. So the fact that I'm not Winona Ryder is really upsetting to them. It's also upsetting to me. Yeah. Do you know what I'm really interested in and I want to pick up on? It's like you said it was your first date.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Yeah. Because like I completely relate to that in the sense that I haven't, I mean, only just really been on a date recently kind of thing. Because I haven't been on dates. Why hadn't you been on dates? Because I'm English, innit? And that's what we do when we're young. It's just like you go to the pub and get drunk
Starting point is 00:25:46 and then end up in bed with someone. Yeah. And then if you wake up and you're not disgusted the next day, then maybe you meet them again. I'm doing this all wrong. But I don't think that that is unconnected to the lack of orgasms. That's, you've got a point. I think that, you know, we in this country,
Starting point is 00:26:06 it's part of our culture is that we are facilitators of male pleasure. And that is reflected in the fact that we're not really like arsed out on dates. But yeah, it was weird going on a date. Sydney's bit. I really could say it because you said it last time. No, I don't want to do it. No, but I just want to know what Lily would say.
Starting point is 00:26:26 Oh, yeah, okay. Let's get some advice. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, you explain it. Basically, like, if you said, like, in the English kind of manner of, like, go to the pub
Starting point is 00:26:33 or you go for a few drinks and you go back to the house. Yeah. Like, if you're at the house, you stay over. If they don't try and kiss you, does that mean they're not into you? Is that, like,
Starting point is 00:26:39 should you be, like, lucky that they didn't kiss you because they didn't see you as a kind of one-nighter thing? I don't know because I've only ever been on one date and I ended up marrying one. I'm like, oh, you like me. We'll go to our sheet.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Our sheet. Now we're on to questions that Hayden has written. Oh, great. Our toxic male producer, Hayden. So, have you always been into older guys yeah I think so I mean I guess not when I was at school I guess not when I was at school although maybe yeah I mean I probably fancied the guys in sixth form when I was at school.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Although, maybe, yeah. I mean, I probably fancied the guys in sixth form when I was, like, in year 10, 11. The next question is, biggest age difference you've ever dated? Well, when I was 21, I went out with a 51-year-old. Fuck off. My dad was 30 years older than my mum. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Oh, shut up. I think if you've got the chat, it's a vice versa. Can I go back to Hayden's? Yeah. I don't want to. I know, but it's just... Sleeping with her dad's friend.
Starting point is 00:28:00 That was the 50 year old. Yeah. Really? I see. That was in the book? It is in the book, yeah. Really? I see. That was in the book? It is in the book. Yeah, it's in the book. I'll refer you to my book.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Yes, I did sleep with very old men. Some of them were friends of my dad's. Read about it in my book. Let's talk about the book because I wasn't sure if you'd be bored about talking about the book. But that was obviously a huge expose on so many different parts of your life. A lot of it was sexually as well. And it was a very bold and explicit version of Lily that we may not have known before. But what was the process of writing the book like?
Starting point is 00:28:36 I mean, it was like sitting down one day a week for two years. And then, you know, basically taking all of that information and that data and editing it into something that made sense we did first of all it was like chronologically and then it felt that didn't work and so we did the sort of chapters and of different subject matters so like sex and money and music and i found the process really not fun yeah because it wasn't fun i was really like isolated at the time uh so i just my marriage had disintegrated and all of my friends or people i thought were my friends had definitely like chosen sam my ex-husband's camp and so i was kind of like stuck in this house and the stalker thing
Starting point is 00:29:18 happened quite soon after we broke up as well so i was slightly traumatized and just sort of working through a bunch of stuff with my therapist and then this book offer came in so I was just like you know what I might just do this all at the same time I mean it's like it's somebody's kind of interested in this kind of therapy I have a very mixed relationship with therapy personally like was it a therapeutical experience or was it quite a hard thing to continue living with having to really expose yourself to all that information I felt like people and it's probably like the narcissist of me like also you know i've thought that people thought about me a lot more than they did you know i was like very like self-involved and so i felt like i couldn't move on to the next stage of my life without like setting some things
Starting point is 00:30:01 straight i just had a sort of bee in my bonnet about this person that everybody thought I was which I didn't feel like matched up at all I wanted to move on in my life and like move on to the next chapter and come out of divorce and come out of all this other stuff and I just felt like I couldn't do that until I'd like got all this shit out basically and I thought why not make some money out of it how do you feel how do you feel about it all now like because obviously were you drinking when you were writing it originally and like yeah a kind of sobering experience is there a different way then how you've processed it I mean it would be a different book now I guess it wasn't so much the drinking really I was smoking
Starting point is 00:30:39 a lot of weed at that time so I just sort of like run away with sort of mad thoughts there was a lot of editing it went on um it might feel slightly more coherent if I was to do it again now and the process did you think it sort of contributed to the result and you're getting sober or not like just sort of having all of that no I think they were completely unrelated I just like I didn't really have like a rock bottom I mean I did have just, like, I didn't really have, like, a rock bottom. I mean, I did have a rock bottom, but I didn't get sober when I was having my rock bottom. It came, I sort of, like, did recovery in reverse. I kind of, like, did work the steps almost, 12 steps,
Starting point is 00:31:14 with my therapist before I'd actually got sober. But it's good being sober. Yeah. How has that affected your sex life? It's just different. Yeah. I actually I actually like remember having sex very interesting a good friend of mine sets into my DMs and she was like I really wish you'd talk about like chemsex and like how the sort of judgment that women have on themselves after either being high or drunk and ending up in
Starting point is 00:31:45 promiscuous situations how that sort of leaves dents on your soul and should we have more in ship a bit or like is it just like a really horrible sordid part of drinking i don't know that's quite a big question i mean i definitely have felt a lot of shame and guilt around my sexual escapades in the hours immediately afterwards but i don't know if that's real guilt or shame or it's just like society's projections onto oneself you know like yeah it's that thing when you wake up and then you have to like go through that whole process of a day of just like reliving each bit you're just going and like the only way you can then sometimes get over these things it's like oh let's go back out again yeah i mean i had those
Starting point is 00:32:28 moments when it just wasn't even about sex it's just like being so i i yeah the two would like quite often merge you lose control don't you but it's not anymore not anymore are your vibrations Not anymore. Not anymore. Are your vibrators your first business venture? No. I mean, I had a spectacular failure of a rental, vintage rental business. That's right, I bet you. Ten years ago. Don't we met? Right around the corner. It was right here.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Your sister. So that was my first big failure. It was a lot of money. Business is a fucking prick, though, but you learn from these things. Yeah, you do. I'm very excited to receive my vibrator. I know. Look at her little face.
Starting point is 00:33:12 No, I am excited. Is there a how-to? Is there a how-to in it? You don't, honestly, you do not need a how-to. It's very simple. You just turn it on, put it on there, and you're away. If you have not had a vibrator, like, you've had them, but you don't own one. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:33:27 I think, well, I've used one, but it's not mine. Okay. It was an ex's. Well, you're going to have your own toy. Very own. But I've had dreams. I have, like, a quite recurring dream about vibrators. And then, like, I can definitely feel an orgasm in my dream, which I'm really confused by.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Have you ever had this? What? Wet dreams? Is that what? Can women get them? Yeah. That's what I'm dealing with. Jesus. I'll pass on sex out of this. I didn't know that that was a thing. Yes, it's
Starting point is 00:33:55 100% a thing. I didn't know women could get it. I mean, I say 100%. I'm sure there are people out there that can't or don't. But you feel like you're... Yeah, yeah. Sometimes you can actually come. Yeah. Yeah, I think I was. But it's true. I can imagine but you feel like you're yeah yeah sometimes you can actually cum yeah yeah I think I was but it's true I can imagine you vibrate it
Starting point is 00:34:07 yeah you were having an orgasm in your sleep oh bless coming in her sleep have we done all your questions Hayden
Starting point is 00:34:18 is there anything you want to get off your chest how many of your dad's friends have you fucked should we round it off then oh round it off
Starting point is 00:34:26 I don't know why I'm going into this I'm still a bit embarrassed about the wet dream well Lily thank you very much for coming on on this wet afternoon
Starting point is 00:34:36 thanks for coming in this wet afternoon okay Gizzy chill thank you yeah I hope you don't have to come again next time It is a wet afternoon. Okay, Gizzy, chill. Thank you. Yeah, I hope I can come again sometime. We look forward to receiving all my votes.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Yeah. What are we doing? Really lots. We have a real buzz about them. What do we do? Go and have your wank and then come back and just film your face. Yeah. Just got lilyed. Well, on that note
Starting point is 00:35:05 on that note thank you very much thank you so much my pleasure thank you pleasure oh dear thank you for listening
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